[RBW] Re: Autumn Is My Favorite Season

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beautiful, where did you take these? 

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 9:36:06 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:

> Pictures from last Sunday's ride.
> Trees got colorful in one week. I was sweating all over due to steep 
> climbs, but it was worth it.
>
> Takashi 
>
> [image: 1.jpg][image: 2.jpg]
> [image: 3.jpg][image: 4.jpg][image: 5.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Doug H.]

Your "precious" looks marvelous.
Doug

On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 10:04:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> One bike to rule them all.
>
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2021, at 5:33 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> I think the 650B Ultradynamicos only come in one width. 48
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 5:18:28 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> Ultradynamico has many 650B and 700c 42mm tires in stock for anyone 
>> looking for an alternative to the usual suspects. The Cava with it's fine 
>> file tread would be just fine for the road, 
>>
>> https://ultradynamico.com/pages/shop
>> On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 5:15:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Here you go: 
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/700cx44-snoqualmie-pass/
>>>
>>> They do have one very big defect: they can cost $96 apiece, tho' the 
>>> budget Standard casing costs $74. Still, as someone who has used 2 models 
>>> of RH ELs (tho' not the Snoqualmie Pass), I can heartily confirm that RH 
>>> tires are worth the $$.
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 6:54 AM, Tom Wyland  wrote: "... 
>>> I would have been happy finding any folding tires in 42-44 width, but it's 
>>> tough out there."
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell-ish Romanceur (general reviews on my favorite parts - baggabond /losco))

[Patrick Moore]

Well, this old patriarch likes your Romanceur (he said, snarling bitterly
into his flowing, white beard).

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 1:07 PM Mackenzy Albright <
mackenzy.albri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *what does "shred patriarchy" mean?* - Keeping it as non-political as
> possible - "shred the patriarchy" is a slogan of the RAR (radical adventure
> riders) as a movement of creating awareness and space for diversity and
> less toxic-masculinity in outdoor recreation.
>
> On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 12:52:50 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Oh, and what does "shred patriarchy" mean?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell-ish Romanceur (general reviews on my favorite parts - baggabond /losco))

[Mackenzy Albright]

*I think what I feel is the same but I have never fleshed it out in words.  
*- i find it interesting as there's elements of design/manufacturing, 
historical ownership, and current ownership. From a conservators point of 
view all objects lifespan exceed the life of a particular owner and will 
always be multigenerational and inherits a story (documented or not) / 
beausage. I'll use my old touring bike as an example (not photod) but it's 
a mid eighties touring bike. From a design perspective it's a standard tall 
touring bike. (63c-t st and 59 c-c TT) It has some interesting elements 
such inverted seat stay brakes (ala jo routens) externally butted downtube 
(primitive welded and ground down) and a slightly sloping top tube (early 
popular in canada ie KONA) based around Suntour dropouts. For me this makes 
me think the designer had a rough knowledge of historical adventure bikes 
such as jo routens etc. Maybe it was just a fluke. But it adds to the 
interest. 

It was originally a mikado degaspe (olive) touring bike. The bike had been 
purchased when mikado went defunct to poliquin which was a sporting goods 
brand in Ottawa painted purple and rebranded and stickered and sold as a 
somewhat racier bike from old stock. Again, little snippets that add to an 
interesting story.  

>From an ownership perspective. I acquired this from my landscaping 
supervisor right after moving to Victoria. He told me the one tour he did 
on the bike, he was on the ferry and this older gent stopped him and 
complimented him on the bike and swore up and down this bike is what he 
used to ride across canada in the late eighties / early nineties. 

The bike itself has a lot of paint wear. Fork was out of alignment. The 
purple scrapes down to a former olive and or metal which has become a 
beautiful tarnish brown. To me the frame speaks of all of the adventures 
that were had. (even tho not proven through lineage) but truth or not, the 
bike elicites stories through the context of its markings, scrapes, and 
scratches. It doesnt matter to me if any of this. but this is how it makes 
me feel. 

I have ridden the bike thousands of kilometers as well. Explored islands. 
Took me on tinder dates. Bought me groceries. Got tackled by a road rager 
causing neck injuries. We've been through a lot together. Ownership is an 
odd concept. One day somebody else will inherit the bike and ad their own 
story to it and hopefully keep adding to their own stories. 

This is an elongated and much researched part of my collection. But even a 
simple seatpost or shifter i find interesting has its own story that i 
think about. It feels different than just "buying a long haul trucker". And 
with my crust. i hope to make these stories as well and one day, it too 
will be inherited to some tall adventurous type. 

I generally feel this way about all objects. Books. tools. Clothing. etc. 
This is sort of why i got into art/museums/library work. I just think 
theyre neat. hahaha maybe some of this will resonate with you, 
anecdontally. 

On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 4:45:40 PM UTC-6 Matthew P wrote:

> Hi Mackenzy!
> This is my favorite post and bike on here/anywhere in my short term memory.
> I love your take on things, especially this: "  In general I've tried to 
> use as many second hand parts as possible. I love collecting, and the 
> "objectness" and history of parts vs off the shelf new parts.  "
> I think what I feel is the same but I have never fleshed it out in words. 
> There is a materialism about it but I'm not about the wealth side of 
> things, moreso the diversity of parts, and therefore the potential 
> diversity within and between bikes/builds.
> More pics please!
> I'll try to find you on Instagram.
> Words fail.
> -Matthew P
> San Diego, Kumeyaay land
> P.S. Today I learned Gipiemme
>
> On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 12:07:31 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> *what does "shred patriarchy" mean?* - Keeping it as non-political as 
>> possible - "shred the patriarchy" is a slogan of the RAR (radical adventure 
>> riders) as a movement of creating awareness and space for diversity and 
>> less toxic-masculinity in outdoor recreation. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 12:52:50 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and what does "shred patriarchy" mean?
>>>
>>> Patrick "shredding patriarch" Moore
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 12:23 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Mackenzy: That is a *very* nice setup indeed ...

 On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 11:14 AM Mackenzy Albright <
 mackenzy...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Hi everyone! just wanted to share my rivendell inspired romanceur build. 
> ...


>>> -- 
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>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell-ish Romanceur (general reviews on my favorite parts - baggabond /losco))

[Mackenzy Albright]

*(he said, snarling bitterly into his flowing, white beard)  *- We are who 
we are and it keeps things fun and interesting. Being nice is fun. I 
generally appear grumpy and scowly myself. often in my brain overthinking 
things for the heck of it.  but with my relaxed riv style demeanor on my 
bike can give a hell of a hearty wave. 
On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 10:28:41 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Well, this old patriarch likes your Romanceur (he said, snarling bitterly 
> into his flowing, white beard).
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 1:07 PM Mackenzy Albright  
> wrote:
>
>> *what does "shred patriarchy" mean?* - Keeping it as non-political as 
>> possible - "shred the patriarchy" is a slogan of the RAR (radical adventure 
>> riders) as a movement of creating awareness and space for diversity and 
>> less toxic-masculinity in outdoor recreation. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 12:52:50 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and what does "shred patriarchy" mean?
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ¡¡Garage Sale!! Frameset, Nitto, Paul, Rene Herse, bags, etc.

[Andrew Turner]

Everything but the frame has sold but I've adding more goodies!  

*1) Shimano PD-M540 SPD Clipless Pedals, lightly used: $60 + free shipping *
I've rediscovered flat pedals and holy moly do I prefer them. I'm pretty 
sure I've got some new cleats around here somewhere too I'll throw in.  

*2) Shimano 9 speed Hyperglide 11-34 cassette, brand new: $40 + free 
shipping *

*3) Brand new MKS Grip Monarch Silver Pedals: $80 + free shipping *

*4) Leopard print Outershell Mini Saddlebag w/ longer Voile strap: $40 + 
free shipping*

On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 10:17:12 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Just the frameset + Paul hanger left
>
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 8:35:42 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> It's right around 345mm 
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 8:23 PM Karl Wilcox  wrote:
>>
>>> How long is the steer tube on the Evans Frame?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 6:08 PM Andrew Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 End of day update, here's what's left: 

 *1: FW Evans Frameset: $400 + half shipping *
 *This is an English-made frameset made in the late 80s, early 90's with 
 531 tubing. Great for touring, commuting, randonneuring, even 'cross. The 
 frameset sports a fresh  powdercoat, custom decals and brass head badge 
 made by yours truly. The frame had some modifications done to it by Amigo 
 Frameworks here in Nashville, including but not limited to some brazeons 
 for fenders, a pump peg, extra waterbottle cage brazeon, etc. Small but 
 helpful stuff. There's been some chipping here and there but nothing too 
 crazy.*

 *F**rame size: (C-C): 63ST, 58TT *
 *Steerer has been recently extended for 1" threadless use *

 *Color coordinated NOS Cane Creek 1" headset + bike jerks stem cap I'll 
 include all the 1" headset spacers I have, carbon and silver alloy.  *
 *Also includes the 1" to 1-1/8" shim for modern stems   *
 *Nitto 65 27.0 seatpost + 2x VO Noir bottle cages*
 *Max tire size: 35mm slicks. Those bald spots inside the chainstays are 
 due to the rear QR coming loose and the Bon Jon's rubbing, so it's a very 
 snug fit. 32-33 is a much much better fit. 38's WILL NOT FIT.   *

 *2: Ruthworks Black Ultralight Brevet Handlebar Bag: $90 + free 
 shipping *
 *Very lightly used, there is a subtle stain on the inside pocket but 
 otherwise pretty darn immaculate. I did remove the stabilizing elastic 
 chords, but I found they weren't all that necessary.  *

 *3: "NOS" Ultegra 1" threaded headset + brass spacer: $70 + free 
 shipping*
 *I bought this NOS in the box from Analog a while back, mounted it once 
 but quickly replaced it...I don't even think it's seen any mileage. some 
 slight wear marks on the logo from storage but otherwise in great 
 condition. Sorry for the grease pics, I'll clean it all up before shipping 
 it. I did one modification, I cut a little notch out of the crown race as 
 it was crazy hard to install...doesn't affect performance whatsoever, just 
 makes it a little easier to install.  *

 *4: Paul Funky Monkey 7/8" Cable Hanger + fancy brass barrel adjuster: 
 $50 + free shipping *
 *Fits around a quill stem, great condition. Mostly lived it's life on a 
 bike that never got ridden.  *


 *5: SHIMANO XT Cassette CS-M8000 11-speed 11-40 Teeth MTB Mountain Bike 
 Cassette: $95 + free shipping*Brand new. I just mounted it on my bike 
 to see if it would work...it does not :( Back to the corncob cassette. 


 On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 4:04:23 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Adding another item: 
>
>
> *9: SHIMANO XT Cassette CS-M8000 11-speed 11-40 Teeth MTB Mountain 
> Bike Cassette: $95 + free shipping*Brand new. I just mounted it on my 
> bike to see if it would work...it does not :( Back to the corncob 
> cassette.  
>
> The tires, low-rider rack + bags, & Nitto plugs are spoken for. 
> Another thing to mention for the bike frame: Everything you see in the 
> pics comes with it, so those VO Noir stainless bottle cages and the 27.0 
> Nitto 65 seatpost. 
>
> Cheers
>
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 11:44:42 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Here's the link to all the images. I'll try and stay on top of it and 
>> delete the ones that sell. 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/dyDZAVfj6t6ppzNa8  
>>
>> *1: FW Evans Frameset: $400 + half shipping *
>> *This is an English-made frameset made in the late 80s, early 90's 
>> with 531 tubing. Great for touring, commuting, randonneuring, even 
>> 'cross. 
>> The frameset sports a fresh  powdercoat, custom decals and brass head 
>> badge 
>> made by yours truly. The frame had some modifications done to it by 
>> Amigo 
>> Frameworks here in Nashville, including but not limited to some brazeons 
>> for fenders,

[RBW] Re: Autumn Is My Favorite Season

[Takashi]

Thank you Joel.
It's Nagano in Japan.

Takashi

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[RBW] Re: Autumn Is My Favorite Season

[Ryan]

Takashi, you always take such beautiful pictures. Very serene. Autumn is my 
favorite season as well...so my favorite shot is the top one

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 3:48:19 PM UTC-5 Takashi wrote:

> Thank you Joel.
> It's Nagano in Japan.
>
> Takashi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS Clem L 52

[Andrew Huston]

I’m opening up trade ops. Medium Susie or Gus frame, Appaloosa, hillborne 
etc. Let’s make a deal!

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:32:39 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:

> Bumping on a rainy day
>
> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 6:51:55 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>
>> Michigan
>>
>> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 5:57:48 PM UTC-4 ericf3 wrote:
>>
>>> I am not seeing the location.
>>>
>>> EricF
>>> Vancouver
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 24 October 2021, Andrew Huston  
>>> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> So
>>>  
>>> in a turn of events, my wife is deciding she doesn’t ride enough for her to 
>>> keep this newly built Clem. Given those feelings and the limited quantity 
>>> of these bikes, i can release this and hopefully give someone else a shot 
>>> at one. I had purchased a green Clem in the lotto and what I plan to do is 
>>> swap a few parts to essentially offer the same spec Riv is offering. 
>>> > PM if you are interested and we can discuss details. I expect cost 
>>> will be about what riv is offering now, roughly. 
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[RBW] Re: Philly Bike Expo 2021

[Pam Bikes]

2 more things to note:
Ride your bike to the Expo and stop by the Cycling Savvy Booth and show (or 
buy) a Bike Benefits sticker and get a raffle ticket to win some fun 
prizes.  I'm bringing small things I carry on my bike like a John's Irish 
strap as a prize for example.

Sat night I've invited the Riv folks to dinner.  Everyone is welcome to 
join.  We'll need to plan a time and place.  Let me know if you're coming 
and if you have food restrictions, preferences.  If folks are on foot, let 
us know so we can stay close by.  I don't have a phone but if I'm in wifi I 
can get messages (980 288 4801) and email.  If someone would like to take 
charge on this, please do.

Sun - I'll be presenting at 1:30.  Please come see me and my Betty.

I hope to see y'all there.

On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'm presenting and leading a ride in Philly.  Please all come and bring 
> your Rivs.  I'm bringing my Betty on the train.  The ride is Sat at 7:30 
> near Girard/Kelly.
> https://phillybikeexpo.com/unracer-roll-to-pbe21/
> The presentation is Sun at 1:30.  
> I hope to see lots of Rivs in Philly.
> Here's the link to the whole weekend.  https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Philly Bike Expo 2021

[David Person]

Filled with envy.  Enjoy!

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 2:44:33 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:

> 2 more things to note:
> Ride your bike to the Expo and stop by the Cycling Savvy Booth and show 
> (or buy) a Bike Benefits sticker and get a raffle ticket to win some fun 
> prizes.  I'm bringing small things I carry on my bike like a John's Irish 
> strap as a prize for example.
>
> Sat night I've invited the Riv folks to dinner.  Everyone is welcome to 
> join.  We'll need to plan a time and place.  Let me know if you're coming 
> and if you have food restrictions, preferences.  If folks are on foot, let 
> us know so we can stay close by.  I don't have a phone but if I'm in wifi I 
> can get messages (980 288 4801 <(980)%20288-4801>) and email.  If someone 
> would like to take charge on this, please do.
>
> Sun - I'll be presenting at 1:30.  Please come see me and my Betty.
>
> I hope to see y'all there.
>
> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm presenting and leading a ride in Philly.  Please all come and bring 
>> your Rivs.  I'm bringing my Betty on the train.  The ride is Sat at 7:30 
>> near Girard/Kelly.
>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/unracer-roll-to-pbe21/
>> The presentation is Sun at 1:30.  
>> I hope to see lots of Rivs in Philly.
>> Here's the link to the whole weekend.  https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Autumn Is My Favorite Season

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Takashi, I’m very jealous. My wife has a close friend in Tokyo, they studied 
English together here in New England when her husband spent 3 years or so here 
for his company.

Best

Joel

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On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 4:48 PM, Takashi  wrote:

> Thank you Joel.
> It's Nagano in Japan.
>
> Takashi
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Re: [RBW] Re: Inspiring Clem Smith Jr L builds!!

[Ron Frazelle]

That's good to hear...looking forward to riding mine when I get it!

Love the bag choices!

Thanks for sharing!

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, 4:34 PM scott minor  wrote:

> My new to me 64 Clem L.  Just getting acquainted, wow what an enjoyable
> ride.  It floats and rolls really well regardless of what I'm carrying.
>
>
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 9:51:46 PM UTC-4 fraze...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Sweet build, thanks for sharing!! :)
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> "Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world." -
>> Grant Petersen
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 6:07 PM J Imler  wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 7DED9F5A-51DB-4ED5-B70D-215B7DB65599.jpeg]
>>> 59 Clem L in naked sunbather land
>>> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 8:41:19 AM UTC-7 fraze...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's awesome!

 Thanks!

 Ron

 "Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world."
 - Grant Petersen



 On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 8:12 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> Congrats! I bought one of the web special Clem L bikes that was built
> up 1x10 with a Shimano indexed shifter. It has Tosco bars, Cliffhanger
> wheels, Teravail Ehline tires, and a Clipper crankset. I'll attach a photo
> from the website as it hasn't been shipped yet (hopefully today!). I'll 
> use
> a Brooks C17 saddle.
> Doug
>
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 10:46:16 AM UTC-4 fraze...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just bought my first Rivendell (Clem Smith Jr. L) and I am beyond
>> stoked to drive up and pick it up! I was originally looking for an 
>> Atlantis
>> frame and fork...but kept looking at Grant's Clem Smith Jr L (maxed out) 
>> in
>> the *Staff Bikes* section of the site...it really seemed to be
>> calling to me. And then, with the Riv site redesign (which I like much
>> better BTW), there is the picture representing "Trailish" bikes of 
>> Grant's
>> Clem battling a pretty gnarly root section...just muddying up my decision
>> making process...which isn't hard to do, BTW.
>>
>>  After discussing my "dilemma" over a few wonderfully lengthy, phone
>> calls with Hugh covering so much bike geekery, I decided to pull the
>> trigger on buying one of the leftover 59 complete bikes that were left.
>>
>> Since I was originally looking for a frame and fork, I have a lot of
>> my own parts (both bought and pulled from the bin o' parts) for this bike
>> and I will be replacing some of the parts on the complete.
>>
>> If you guys don't mind playing along...I would love it if you fellow
>> Clem Smith Jr L owners could send over some pics of your builds.
>>
>> That would be awesome.
>>
>> Thanks! :)
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Autumn Is My Favorite Season

[Eric Marth]

Lovely pics, thanks for sharing!

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 5:56:43 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> Takashi, I’m very jealous.  My wife has a close friend in Tokyo, they 
> studied English together here in New England when her husband spent 3 years 
> or so here for his company.  
>
> Best
>
> Joel
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> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 4:48 PM, Takashi  wrote:
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> Thank you Joel.
> It's Nagano in Japan.
>
> Takashi
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Re: [RBW] Re: Inspiring Clem Smith Jr L builds!!

[Hugh Smitham]

Scott,

I dig the gold Motolites, understated but still an element of bling. Are
those the Losco bullmoose or Bosco bullmoose bars. Also I'm warming to that
color green, very handsome looking.

Hugh n LA

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, 4:34 PM scott minor  wrote:

> My new to me 64 Clem L.  Just getting acquainted, wow what an enjoyable
> ride.  It floats and rolls really well regardless of what I'm carrying.
>
>
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 9:51:46 PM UTC-4 fraze...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Sweet build, thanks for sharing!! :)
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> "Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world." -
>> Grant Petersen
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 6:07 PM J Imler  wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 7DED9F5A-51DB-4ED5-B70D-215B7DB65599.jpeg]
>>> 59 Clem L in naked sunbather land
>>> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 8:41:19 AM UTC-7 fraze...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's awesome!

 Thanks!

 Ron

 "Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world."
 - Grant Petersen



 On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 8:12 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> Congrats! I bought one of the web special Clem L bikes that was built
> up 1x10 with a Shimano indexed shifter. It has Tosco bars, Cliffhanger
> wheels, Teravail Ehline tires, and a Clipper crankset. I'll attach a photo
> from the website as it hasn't been shipped yet (hopefully today!). I'll 
> use
> a Brooks C17 saddle.
> Doug
>
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 10:46:16 AM UTC-4 fraze...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just bought my first Rivendell (Clem Smith Jr. L) and I am beyond
>> stoked to drive up and pick it up! I was originally looking for an 
>> Atlantis
>> frame and fork...but kept looking at Grant's Clem Smith Jr L (maxed out) 
>> in
>> the *Staff Bikes* section of the site...it really seemed to be
>> calling to me. And then, with the Riv site redesign (which I like much
>> better BTW), there is the picture representing "Trailish" bikes of 
>> Grant's
>> Clem battling a pretty gnarly root section...just muddying up my decision
>> making process...which isn't hard to do, BTW.
>>
>>  After discussing my "dilemma" over a few wonderfully lengthy, phone
>> calls with Hugh covering so much bike geekery, I decided to pull the
>> trigger on buying one of the leftover 59 complete bikes that were left.
>>
>> Since I was originally looking for a frame and fork, I have a lot of
>> my own parts (both bought and pulled from the bin o' parts) for this bike
>> and I will be replacing some of the parts on the complete.
>>
>> If you guys don't mind playing along...I would love it if you fellow
>> Clem Smith Jr L owners could send over some pics of your builds.
>>
>> That would be awesome.
>>
>> Thanks! :)
>>
>>
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