[RBW] WTB/WTT: 57cm Bleriot

[Drurad (Sacramento)]

Was really stoked on Joel's 55cm Bleriot recently put up for sale, but 
after doing a deep dive in geometry charts I think it will be too small. 
 My pbh is 83-84.  Anyone by any chance have a 57cm they would be willing 
to part with?  Let me know.  I am currently riding a 2003 TOYO Atlantis in 
58 I would be willing to trade too.

Many Thanks,

Andrew 

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[RBW] Re: My Frank Jones Sr is finally where I want it

[Arthur Mayfield]

I do believe you’re correct, at least I’ve never heard of one. I’ve 
considered building up a Sturmey-hubbed 3spd wheel for my FJ, but finding a 
nice 120mm OLD hub has been frustrating. Still keeping an eye out for one, 
though.

On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Looks awesome!  I love the Frank Jones Sr - and dream of building one up 
> with Sturmey drum brake hubs, 3spd - I think this is the only caliper brake 
> SS bike from Riv (correct me if I'm wrong!) so it's the ideal candidate... 
>
>
> On Saturday, 25 December 2021 at 06:29:46 UTC-8 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>
>> After innumerable changes, I’m finally happy with the way FJ is set up 
>> (yeah, I know). I have a Sam (caliper brakes) I need to devote some 
>> attention to, and I’m still modding my old Bianchi Milano after 23 years, 
>> lol. The FJ is a wonderful, simple, speedy frame, and after kitting it out 
>> with various wheel and tire combinations, single and double gearing, racks, 
>> bags, bells, and other assorted junk (for this bike, not all), I’m down to 
>> the minimal approach. Rims and hubs are VO, DT Swiss spokes, Soma tires, 
>> PDW fenders (the best, truly), Tektro brakes, VO cranks, WI ENO freewheel, 
>> Nitto stem and bars, Brooks saddle, and VO bag. Zoom-zoom!
>> [image: 5D679D5E-81DC-4D9D-8BCC-6506231289C2.jpeg] 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 55CM Bleriot with extras

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sale Pending 

On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:27:52 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> I have some parts.  I have a nitto rear rack, CroMo albatross bars, I 
> think some MKS touring pedals (we used to call them rat traps).  I may have 
> a NOS Suntour triple rear, possibly a front as well.  I also may have a new 
> Shimano front hub and a NOS 130 spaced Suntour grease guard XC Pro rear hub 
> for freewheel.  I can look around and see what else and get better info, 
> all my parts are in the basement so this is from memory.  
>
> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 8:14:34 PM UTC-5 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>
>> Thanks so much! Do you have any other parts from the bike that you’d be 
>> willing to part with? 
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 2:46 PM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ahmed, I believe all of the Bleriots were 650b.  It has 135mm spacing.  
>>> I am across the country.  
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 5:42:20 PM UTC-5 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>>>
 Hi Joel!
 Great looking frame. Is it 650b or 700c? I’m in San Mateo. Any chance 
 you’re local?

 Best
 Ahmed

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[RBW] Re: 61cm Ritchey Road Frame/Fork/ Headset

[Corwin]

Hi Brian -

What are the widest tires this frame will handle?

Thanks,


Corwin

On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 4:53:40 PM UTC-8 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Given the shared DNA between Ritchey & Rivendell, I thought this might be 
> of some interest to RBW members. It is also posted on the i-BOB list.
>
> Selling what I believe to be a 1977 or 1978, Tom Ritchey road frame, fork 
> and alloy Campagnolo Record headset. The frame is fully fillet brazed as 
> was Tom's specialty.
>
> 61cm seat tube c-t
> 57cm top tube c-c
> 1" threaded Campagnolo alloy headset
> 130mm rear spacing
> 27.2 seat post
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WyXABuccLLtM4rR19
>
> I purchased this frame from the second owner (that is what he told me) who 
> moved from Northern California to Swarthmore, Pa to teach at Swarthmore 
> College in the 1980's.
>
> The bike sat in his damp basement for a couple of decades and as such 
> needed a complete restoration to bring it back to riding condition. He also 
> drilled the brake mounting holes so he could mount recessed brake calipers.
>
> I sent it to Franklin Frames where it was stripped, primed and re-painted 
> in Imron Metallic Berry. The decals are vinyl transfers from Velocals.
>
> I had Jack at Franklin Frames inspect the brake mounting holes ( he said 
> they were fine) cold set the rear to 130mm and add a second set of water 
> bottle mounts. The bike was aligned (front & rear) and shifted flawlessly 
> when I had it set up with 10 speed indexed Shimano components.
>
> I am asking $1,000 plus shipping via Bike Flight.  I am in Berwyn PA, 
> 19312. Payment via Paypal or Venmo with the buyer to cover and fees. I am 
> also willing to drive and hour to deliver or have some one pick up if they 
> are local.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Campbell
> Berwyn, PA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 55CM Bleriot with extras

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have some parts.  I have a nitto rear rack, CroMo albatross bars, I think 
some MKS touring pedals (we used to call them rat traps).  I may have a NOS 
Suntour triple rear, possibly a front as well.  I also may have a new 
Shimano front hub and a NOS 130 spaced Suntour grease guard XC Pro rear hub 
for freewheel.  I can look around and see what else and get better info, 
all my parts are in the basement so this is from memory.  

On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 8:14:34 PM UTC-5 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:

> Thanks so much! Do you have any other parts from the bike that you’d be 
> willing to part with? 
>
> On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 2:46 PM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Ahmed, I believe all of the Bleriots were 650b.  It has 135mm spacing.  I 
>> am across the country.  
>>
>> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 5:42:20 PM UTC-5 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel!
>>> Great looking frame. Is it 650b or 700c? I’m in San Mateo. Any chance 
>>> you’re local?
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Ahmed
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 2:38 PM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>
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[RBW] Re: 61cm Ritchey Road Frame/Fork/ Headset

[Philip Williamson]

Wow, that's beautiful. Way under square, which might make it a good 
candidate for moustache bars. Or a sweet old 130mm Salsa stem. Or just 
someone with a shorter torso than I have. 

Lots of good Tom Ritchey content in the old Readers. 
Good luck with the sale. 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif. 

On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 4:53:40 PM UTC-8 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Given the shared DNA between Ritchey & Rivendell, I thought this might be 
> of some interest to RBW members. It is also posted on the i-BOB list.
>
> Selling what I believe to be a 1977 or 1978, Tom Ritchey road frame, fork 
> and alloy Campagnolo Record headset. The frame is fully fillet brazed as 
> was Tom's specialty.
>
> 61cm seat tube c-t
> 57cm top tube c-c
> 1" threaded Campagnolo alloy headset
> 130mm rear spacing
> 27.2 seat post
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WyXABuccLLtM4rR19
>
> I purchased this frame from the second owner (that is what he told me) who 
> moved from Northern California to Swarthmore, Pa to teach at Swarthmore 
> College in the 1980's.
>
> The bike sat in his damp basement for a couple of decades and as such 
> needed a complete restoration to bring it back to riding condition. He also 
> drilled the brake mounting holes so he could mount recessed brake calipers.
>
> I sent it to Franklin Frames where it was stripped, primed and re-painted 
> in Imron Metallic Berry. The decals are vinyl transfers from Velocals.
>
> I had Jack at Franklin Frames inspect the brake mounting holes ( he said 
> they were fine) cold set the rear to 130mm and add a second set of water 
> bottle mounts. The bike was aligned (front & rear) and shifted flawlessly 
> when I had it set up with 10 speed indexed Shimano components.
>
> I am asking $1,000 plus shipping via Bike Flight.  I am in Berwyn PA, 
> 19312. Payment via Paypal or Venmo with the buyer to cover and fees. I am 
> also willing to drive and hour to deliver or have some one pick up if they 
> are local.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Campbell
> Berwyn, PA
>

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[RBW] Re: Where is Deacon Patrick?

[John Rinker]

Good to know. Thanks Joel.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:02:41 AM UTC+9 Joel S wrote:

> I sent him an email from the link provided above and got a very quick 
> reply.  He is well and happy.  
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:09:34 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Garth. I certainly don't mean of open a can of worms on this. 
>> I really just wanted to know where he'd gone. I appreciate the link. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 11:02:13 PM UTC+9 MoVelo wrote:
>>
>>> Garth 
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for this info. I too have wondered about Deacon's 
>>> whereabouts. I am sorry for the groups loss, but joyed to have found him 
>>> and his writings. 
>>>
>>> Sharp wit within a truly compassionate soul seems to be so rare these 
>>> days. 
>>>
>>> Peace
>>>
>>> jaypea
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 5:56:42 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Here's a wayback link  
 https://web.archive.org/web/20210121144359/https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group
 On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 6:52:24 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Here is his web page where you can contact him John. 
> https://deaconpatrick.org 
>
> He had written about "being at a Crossroads with an online group" 
> there but it's now removed. Call it irreconcilable differences. That 
> neither he nor we are at liberty to discuss here pretty much says 
> everything, and that's about all there is to that. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 4:52:42 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> I apologize if this is off topic but does anybody know what happened 
>> to Deacon Patrick? He is, to my thinking, among the venerable RBW Owners 
>> including Bill, Joe, Patrick, Berkeleyan, and BBDD. So, where is he?
>>
>> Back in 2014 when I was looking into buying my Hunqapillar, Deacon 
>> Patrick was a great source of inspiration and knowledge regarding this 
>> bike 
>> in particular. Moreover, I've always enjoyed his writing and 
>> encouragement 
>> to others who were looking for advice in the Riv-i-verse. 
>>
>> Of late I notice he has been conspicuously absent. I Googled him and 
>> it seems he's alive and well as a Catholic deacon in Colorado, but have 
>> not 
>> seen him on these boards in a while. 
>>
>> I can't imagine he stopped riding his beloved Hunq, Quickbeam and 
>> GBW. Maybe he just decided to step away from the world of the web and 
>> ride 
>> more. Perhaps just another great bit of wisdom from the Deacon- 'grin'.
>>
>> Cheers. John
>>
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Re: [RBW] Roadini 650b conversion

[Kushan]

Thanks Craig. What are fender skirts and how do I make them? My quick 
google search yields some interesting results (none of them look like 
mudflaps - which is what I thought you meant by fender skirts).

On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 3:11:27 PM UTC-8 Craig Montgomery wrote:

> Shikoros are very nice tires and in many instances can even handle the 
> more benign dirt roads of Washington state (compared to the sharp rock 
> strewn killer dirt roads of AZ). Looks like you came up with an enjoyable 
> compromise. One suggestion for Seattle. Get a plastic gallon water or 
> bleach bottle and cut out some fender skirts. Your feet and ankles with be 
> glad you did. 
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 2:51:48 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Hey all - I wanted to post an update here for someone who might be trying 
>> the same thing in future.
>>
>> 650b wheels with long reach (Tektro R559) wheels on a Roadini is 
>> definitely a no-go. Note that this only applies to larger size Roadinis 
>> that were designed for 700c wheels and mid-reach.
>>
>> I have decided to just keep mine for now. Based on pictures from other 
>> RBW owners on this forums (Special thanks to Bones!), I got inspired to 
>> just keep it with a few changes. I changed the tires to 33mm Soma Shikoro 
>> (which were really difficult to source) and outfitted them with SKS fenders 
>> that I had in my parts bin. For now, I have kept the mid-reach Shimano 
>> caliper brakes (which fit with the fenders well). Depending on braking 
>> power I experience in the wetter weather, I might consider either changing 
>> to the Koo-Stop Salmon pads or changing to stiffer center-pull (center-bolt 
>> mounted) brakes. 
>>
>> Here is the picture of the final look. I am quite pleased with how the 
>> bike looks with brown walled tires and the silver fenders and kind of 
>> slapping my head over why I didn't do this before. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 9:33:38 AM UTC-8 Paul C. Brodek wrote:
>>
>>> TL;DR: 
>>> 1. You kinda can't be sure unless you try it. 
>>> 2. Google "650b 700c conversion" for hours of reading/listening pleasure.
>>> 3. 19mm is your magic number; 584/650b rim center will sit 19mm lower 
>>> than 622/700c. If your current reach is 57-59mm, you'll need ~80mm for 
>>> 650b. That's long.
>>> 4. There are cheap/flexy sidepulls and pricier/stiffer sidepulls. Best 
>>> IMHO are Paul Racers, which are $$$, and 73mm max drop.
>>> 5. There are better/crappier brake shoes; Grant's current favorites are 
>>> KoolStop gray E-pads.
>>> 6. Eric isn't wrong, but folks have been riding longer-reach brakes in 
>>> wet weather for decades without asploding. See #1 above.
>>> 7. If a Roadini 650b conversion won't work for you, it's either ride 
>>> narrower 700c tires or get a new frame. The correct answer is almost always 
>>> get an additional frame/bike.
>>>
>>> Maybe I don't need much add'l verbiage/blather? I haven't done your 
>>> particular conversion, but I had my 650b conversion jollies a decade or 
>>> more back, and for me it seldom seemed worth the trouble. Biggest issue for 
>>> me was usually the post-conversion 650b bb being too low, with resultant 
>>> pedal strikes.  Where it worked best was if I started out with a fairly 
>>> high bb/shallow drop, and if the pre-conv brake drop was shallow it was 
>>> aces. I don't remember numbers exactly, but my synapses kinda recall a bb 
>>> drop deeper than 70mm already being problematic. 
>>>
>>> My only current/remaining 650b conversions are a '71 Raleigh Team Pro 
>>> with 584/34mm,  with a drop of only 53mm, and a thoroughly modern (for me) 
>>> 2016 Wraith Paycheck at 584/48mm, with stupid-wide clearances, 
>>> designed/built to be 700c/650b convertible. Neither of those bikes are 
>>> fendered. Your Roadini doesn't fit either of those slots.   
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> [image: 50441879817_59c6b9cc84_c(1).jpg]
>>> [image: 50439494628_6c016d82b9_c(1).jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 2:17:09 PM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:
>>>
 Thanks all for your thoughts so far. This is shaping up to be a more 
 complicated change than I thought (but then again, aren't all bike changes 
 are?) ... 

 Joe - I like your suggestion of using centerpulls. I actually thought 
 that center pull required dedicated braze-on on frames but a quick 
 research 
 indicated that they can be fork crown mounted similar to calipers.

 Eric - The discussion so far is definately dissudaing me but out of 
 curiousity - does your take on low stopping power with long reach calipers 
 + wet rims extend to center pull brakes as well? I am wondering if it woul 
 be better off getting a disc braked bike (e.g. VO Pass Hunter) instead of 
 mucking around with 650bs on Roadini. 

 On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 10:15:12 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> Long reach calipers + wet rims = no noticeable stopping power.  N

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 55CM Bleriot with extras

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

Thanks so much! Do you have any other parts from the bike that you’d be
willing to part with?

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 2:46 PM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Ahmed, I believe all of the Bleriots were 650b.  It has 135mm spacing.  I
> am across the country.
>
> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 5:42:20 PM UTC-5 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel!
>> Great looking frame. Is it 650b or 700c? I’m in San Mateo. Any chance
>> you’re local?
>>
>> Best
>> Ahmed
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 2:38 PM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>>
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>>
>>
>> *Castilleja School*
>>
>> 1310 Bryant Street
>> 
>>
>> Palo Alto, CA 94301
>> 
>>
>>
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[RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne, Double Top Tube

[Dave Brandt]

Sam Hillborne  57 cm 

Handlebars: Nitto Albastache

Brakes: Shimano handles, Tektro

with new cables and housings

Wheelset: Velocity synergy rims with Shimano LX hubs

Tires: Schwalbe Little Big Ben 700x38 ( approximately 20 miles on them)

Shifters: Rivendell Silver, stem mounted 

Front derailleur: Triple

Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore 9 speed

Crankset: Sugino

Saddle: Brooks B-17 special honey with copper rails

Rack: front and rear are Nitto

Bag: Nigel Smythe - Big loafer bag

Pedals: MKS Lambda 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/pacifica-rivendell-57-cm/7425643593.html

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Re: [RBW] From One Curious Photo . . . .

[John Rinker]

Well, this is cool! Now, is someone other than me on the lookout for a copy 
of the May 1973 Nat Geo article which features '26 pages about bicycling'? 
That'd be a fun timepiece to see! 

Thanks Garth!

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 1:51:14 AM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I mean "multiple cogs" of course.
>
>
> adding a freewheel to a Sturmey Archer hub
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 55CM Bleriot with extras

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ahmed, I believe all of the Bleriots were 650b.  It has 135mm spacing.  I 
am across the country.  

On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 5:42:20 PM UTC-5 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:

> Hi Joel!
> Great looking frame. Is it 650b or 700c? I’m in San Mateo. Any chance 
> you’re local?
>
> Best
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[RBW] Re: FS: 55CM Bleriot with extras

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sorry for so many posts, I was unable to post more than 2 pics per message. 
 The BB has been cleaned on the outside since taking that picture.  

On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 5:41:39 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 5:40:47 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 5:40:01 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 5:39:06 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 5:38:09 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 55CM Bleriot with extras

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

Hi Joel!
Great looking frame. Is it 650b or 700c? I’m in San Mateo. Any chance
you’re local?

Best
Ahmed

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[RBW] FS: 55CM Bleriot with extras

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Selling my 55CM Saluki that is a tad too big for me, I believe the 
standover with Baby Shoe Pass 42mm tires is 31.75”. There are some light 
scratches a d one large one where it appears the chain came off the small 
cog.  No dents, was framesaved when built up.  

I will post pics below this message, it may take a few messages. 

No crashes, little use as it sat for 10 years after a car accident and 2 
back surgeries till I stared to ride again after COVID hit.  I estimate 
4-5,000 miles or less.  

Where where sold stripped, added is a Shimano BB made in Japan, UN 91, 
Suntour headset that was NOS when built, and Tektro R556 side pull brakes. 
 The steerer tube was left high when originally built up.  

I will pack this very securely, so no worries there. 

Ask question please.  If concerned on price please PM me.

Asking $900 plus shipping. 

Thanks, Joel

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[RBW] Re: Where is Deacon Patrick?

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I sent him an email from the link provided above and got a very quick 
reply.  He is well and happy.  



On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:09:34 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Thank you, Garth. I certainly don't mean of open a can of worms on this. I 
> really just wanted to know where he'd gone. I appreciate the link. 
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 11:02:13 PM UTC+9 MoVelo wrote:
>
>> Garth 
>>
>> Thank you so much for this info. I too have wondered about Deacon's 
>> whereabouts. I am sorry for the groups loss, but joyed to have found him 
>> and his writings. 
>>
>> Sharp wit within a truly compassionate soul seems to be so rare these 
>> days. 
>>
>> Peace
>>
>> jaypea
>>
>> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 5:56:42 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a wayback link  
>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20210121144359/https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group
>>> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 6:52:24 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Here is his web page where you can contact him John. 
 https://deaconpatrick.org 

 He had written about "being at a Crossroads with an online group" there 
 but it's now removed. Call it irreconcilable differences. That neither he 
 nor we are at liberty to discuss here pretty much says everything, and 
 that's about all there is to that. 



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> I apologize if this is off topic but does anybody know what happened 
> to Deacon Patrick? He is, to my thinking, among the venerable RBW Owners 
> including Bill, Joe, Patrick, Berkeleyan, and BBDD. So, where is he?
>
> Back in 2014 when I was looking into buying my Hunqapillar, Deacon 
> Patrick was a great source of inspiration and knowledge regarding this 
> bike 
> in particular. Moreover, I've always enjoyed his writing and 
> encouragement 
> to others who were looking for advice in the Riv-i-verse. 
>
> Of late I notice he has been conspicuously absent. I Googled him and 
> it seems he's alive and well as a Catholic deacon in Colorado, but have 
> not 
> seen him on these boards in a while. 
>
> I can't imagine he stopped riding his beloved Hunq, Quickbeam and GBW. 
> Maybe he just decided to step away from the world of the web and ride 
> more. 
> Perhaps just another great bit of wisdom from the Deacon- 'grin'.
>
> Cheers. John
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Re: [RBW] Roadini 650b conversion

[Bones]

Looks great Kushan! Glad to help. It's such a fun bike.

Bones

On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 7:00:14 PM UTC-5 Jim Bronson wrote:

> Interesting thread.   My 90s Road is converted to 650Bx38 and I would not 
> want to trade the 38s for 32s.  But on the other hand there was not 
> clearance for fenders with any 700c tire with the short reach brake,  so it 
> was either convert or get a different bike since fenders are a requirement 
> for me.  
>
> I am using the Tektro 55-73 brakes and the stopping power is not great, 
> but I've gotten used to it.   A pad upgrade would probably help. 
>
> The bottom bracket is indeed very low,  solution is not pedaling through 
> corners.  I do scrape every once in a while when I resume pedaling too 
> soon, which happened most recently a few days ago while turning around in a 
> cul-de-sac.  Overall,  it's a compromise I'm willing to live with. I like 
> the bike the way it is and would not go back. 
>
> Jim
> Leander,  TX
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 15:51 Kushan  wrote:
>
>> Hey all - I wanted to post an update here for someone who might be trying 
>> the same thing in future.
>>
>> 650b wheels with long reach (Tektro R559) wheels on a Roadini is 
>> definitely a no-go. Note that this only applies to larger size Roadinis 
>> that were designed for 700c wheels and mid-reach.
>>
>> I have decided to just keep mine for now. Based on pictures from other 
>> RBW owners on this forums (Special thanks to Bones!), I got inspired to 
>> just keep it with a few changes. I changed the tires to 33mm Soma Shikoro 
>> (which were really difficult to source) and outfitted them with SKS fenders 
>> that I had in my parts bin. For now, I have kept the mid-reach Shimano 
>> caliper brakes (which fit with the fenders well). Depending on braking 
>> power I experience in the wetter weather, I might consider either changing 
>> to the Koo-Stop Salmon pads or changing to stiffer center-pull (center-bolt 
>> mounted) brakes. 
>>
>> Here is the picture of the final look. I am quite pleased with how the 
>> bike looks with brown walled tires and the silver fenders and kind of 
>> slapping my head over why I didn't do this before. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 9:33:38 AM UTC-8 Paul C. Brodek wrote:
>>
>>> TL;DR: 
>>> 1. You kinda can't be sure unless you try it. 
>>> 2. Google "650b 700c conversion" for hours of reading/listening pleasure.
>>> 3. 19mm is your magic number; 584/650b rim center will sit 19mm lower 
>>> than 622/700c. If your current reach is 57-59mm, you'll need ~80mm for 
>>> 650b. That's long.
>>> 4. There are cheap/flexy sidepulls and pricier/stiffer sidepulls. Best 
>>> IMHO are Paul Racers, which are $$$, and 73mm max drop.
>>> 5. There are better/crappier brake shoes; Grant's current favorites are 
>>> KoolStop gray E-pads.
>>> 6. Eric isn't wrong, but folks have been riding longer-reach brakes in 
>>> wet weather for decades without asploding. See #1 above.
>>> 7. If a Roadini 650b conversion won't work for you, it's either ride 
>>> narrower 700c tires or get a new frame. The correct answer is almost always 
>>> get an additional frame/bike.
>>>
>>> Maybe I don't need much add'l verbiage/blather? I haven't done your 
>>> particular conversion, but I had my 650b conversion jollies a decade or 
>>> more back, and for me it seldom seemed worth the trouble. Biggest issue for 
>>> me was usually the post-conversion 650b bb being too low, with resultant 
>>> pedal strikes.  Where it worked best was if I started out with a fairly 
>>> high bb/shallow drop, and if the pre-conv brake drop was shallow it was 
>>> aces. I don't remember numbers exactly, but my synapses kinda recall a bb 
>>> drop deeper than 70mm already being problematic. 
>>>
>>> My only current/remaining 650b conversions are a '71 Raleigh Team Pro 
>>> with 584/34mm,  with a drop of only 53mm, and a thoroughly modern (for me) 
>>> 2016 Wraith Paycheck at 584/48mm, with stupid-wide clearances, 
>>> designed/built to be 700c/650b convertible. Neither of those bikes are 
>>> fendered. Your Roadini doesn't fit either of those slots.   
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
>>> [image: 50441879817_59c6b9cc84_c(1).jpg]
>>> [image: 50439494628_6c016d82b9_c(1).jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 2:17:09 PM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:
>>>
 Thanks all for your thoughts so far. This is shaping up to be a more 
 complicated change than I thought (but then again, aren't all bike changes 
 are?) ... 

 Joe - I like your suggestion of using centerpulls. I actually thought 
 that center pull required dedicated braze-on on frames but a quick 
 research 
 indicated that they can be fork crown mounted similar to calipers.

 Eric - The discussion so far is definately dissudaing me but out of 
 curiousity - does your take on low stopping power with long reach calipers 
 + wet rims extend to center pull brakes as well? I am wondering if it woul 
 be better

[RBW] Re: Bar tape and shellac combination to match cream details

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You could also dilute amber shellac with clear shellac and try that over 
white bar tape. There are also some lighter amber colors of shellac 
available from https://www.shellac.net/button_shellac.html if you like to 
mix your own. The button shellac is also more durable and has a slightly 
tackier/grippier feeling when wet, at least to my hands. The "Super Golden 
Kusmi Button Shellac" would be nice over white. Diluting the pre-made 
canned shellac and applying more layers is better than one thicker layer 
which will start flaking off after awhile.

John Phillips

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Re: [RBW] From One Curious Photo . . . .

[Patrick Moore]

I mean "multiple cogs" of course.


adding a freewheel to a Sturmey Archer hub
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Re: [RBW] From One Curious Photo . . . .

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for these links, Garth; some entertaining old photos in them.

The derailleur modification on June Siple's bike reminds me of the desert
that good bicycles and parts were 50 years ago, at least in NA (not that I
knew enough then to realize what a desert it was; this judgment is
retrospective, of course). This was a time when people actually thought
adding a freewheel to a Sturmey Archer hub was a useful improvement -- I
did it myself circa 1971 or 1972, though true to form I did it to get
closer ratios, not more range. I wonder how that Campy derailleur shifted
with that extended cage. Of course, that era did provide posterity with
thousands of nice steel frames for building up with much nicer modern
parts. (Apologies to CR!)

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 4:08 AM Garth  wrote:

>   So this AM I was meandering some cycling photos on Flickr, specifically
> an "old cycling photos" group. As I'm scrolling down I notice a news photo
> titled "Wheeling Around Europe", which caught my eye as I know of one one
> such use for the word and that is the name of the nearby city in West
> Virginia. It's about a woman named June Jenkins who was travelling Europe
> by bicycle.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/8729526@N02/2371818339/in/album-72157625141981687/
>
>  That had me curious of there was any other reference to her online, and
> sure enough I search "June Jenkins" cycling, and I see a reference to a
> June J. Siple, Missoula, and the Adventure Cycling Association. So I search
> for "June Siple" cycling cyclist, and under the photos I come across a link
> for our Cyclofriend Jim titled "ivendell Reader #42", yes the R is missing.
> So as I'm reading the reader I remember that one as it includes the article
> about Freddie Freeman. Down the pages I come to page 30 and there is big
> write up about June and her husband Greg's Hemistour they rode in 1973.
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR42_web.pdf
>
> No link to the original Nat. Geo article, but found these .
>
>
> http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/201105_SweatingtheYukon_Siple.pdf
>
>
> https://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/20160401_NatGeo_Siple.pdf
>
>
> https://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/201205_ShakedownAlaska_JuneSiple.pdf
>
> Here's pic of the same bike she had in that 1970 photo and the Hemistour
> 1973, a Peugot PX-10. . laughing with the joy of skinny tires ! Note
> the neat drivetrain modification.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/adventurecycling/4109943813/
>
> So it turns out June and Greg are among the co-founders of the American
> Adventure Association. Small world, from a reference to "Wheeling" all the
> way back here. "As the World Turns" . all turns lead Home.
>
> Thanks for reading, and for being here, there and everywhere you are .
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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Legolas frame/fork & extras

[Brian Campbell]

Sold pending payment

On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 8:34:48 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

>
> Message sent! What’s your pbh? And the widest tire you can fit on the 
> Legolas?
> Max not downsizing in Boston
> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 1:21:49 AM UTC+1 bdcamp...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Selling this 59cm Legolas frame & fork built by Mark Nobilette. 
>> I was told by Mark at Rivendell(who I placed the order through) that this 
>> was the last Legolas they would make, as they no longer had decals due to 
>> the suit from the Lord of the Rings people.
>>
>> 59cm seat  tube c-t
>> 58cm top tune c-c
>> 130 rear spacing
>> 1" quill style fork
>> FSA headset
>> Dia-Comp 980 cantilever brakes with straddle wire holders, new Kool Stop 
>> Dura pads and fork mounted front cable stop
>> 110mm Tange square taper bottom bracket (used with a Sugino 901d double 
>> crankset)
>> 1 set of Portland Design Works Full metal fenders 45mm
>>
>> The frame has front and rear rack braze-ons for LIGHT loads. It was not 
>> built as a touring bike. It is constructed of Columbus Life & Columbus Zona 
>> tubing, per Mark Nobilette. It has fender mounting braze-ons in the rear 
>> and a Velo Lumino Plug Nut for front fender mounting under the fork crown.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/tVGLmqVrAGajr4Mg7
>>
>> When fully built, with a Brooks saddle and pedals it weighed a bit over 
>> 22lbs.
>>
>> I am asking $2,000 plus shipping via Bike Flights. I am in Berwyn, Pa 
>> (19312) and will also deliver within an 1 hour drive or allow for local 
>> pick up if you are in the area.
>>
>> Payment through Paypal of Venmo and buyer is responsible for payment of 
>> any fees.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Brian CAmpbell
>> Berwyn, Pa
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Legolas frame/fork & extras

[maxcr]

Message sent! What’s your pbh? And the widest tire you can fit on the 
Legolas?
Max not downsizing in Boston
On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 1:21:49 AM UTC+1 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Selling this 59cm Legolas frame & fork built by Mark Nobilette. 
> I was told by Mark at Rivendell(who I placed the order through) that this 
> was the last Legolas they would make, as they no longer had decals due to 
> the suit from the Lord of the Rings people.
>
> 59cm seat  tube c-t
> 58cm top tune c-c
> 130 rear spacing
> 1" quill style fork
> FSA headset
> Dia-Comp 980 cantilever brakes with straddle wire holders, new Kool Stop 
> Dura pads and fork mounted front cable stop
> 110mm Tange square taper bottom bracket (used with a Sugino 901d double 
> crankset)
> 1 set of Portland Design Works Full metal fenders 45mm
>
> The frame has front and rear rack braze-ons for LIGHT loads. It was not 
> built as a touring bike. It is constructed of Columbus Life & Columbus Zona 
> tubing, per Mark Nobilette. It has fender mounting braze-ons in the rear 
> and a Velo Lumino Plug Nut for front fender mounting under the fork crown.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/tVGLmqVrAGajr4Mg7
>
> When fully built, with a Brooks saddle and pedals it weighed a bit over 
> 22lbs.
>
> I am asking $2,000 plus shipping via Bike Flights. I am in Berwyn, Pa 
> (19312) and will also deliver within an 1 hour drive or allow for local 
> pick up if you are in the area.
>
> Payment through Paypal of Venmo and buyer is responsible for payment of 
> any fees.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brian CAmpbell
> Berwyn, Pa
>
>

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