Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[ascpgh]

My Diadora winter shoes sound like the same design using a neoprene cuff 
with a wrapping flap (sort of) secured by velcro. I have to position both 
faces of the velcro away from the socked foot entering or the flap with the 
loop patch goes in with my foot and/or the hook patch adheres to my sock 
and inverts into the shoe as well. 

Glad that's not the design paradigm that carried forward. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh (where it's a balmy 20° but a looming winter storm will keep the 
Nokians mounted the rest of the week)

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:34:30 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> + 1 for the Lake winter shoes. They are nice and warm, tho' I don't use 
> mine until temps fall into the 20s.
>
> Query: Mine are old; I'd guess 6-10 (the range indicates that I have no 
> idea) years old, with a thickish neoprene liner built in. This liner is 
> divided at the shoe's entry into a flap mean to wrap around the ankle and 
> secure to the other side with velcro. This means that, when you are putting 
> the boots on, you have to guide your foot into a rather narrow tunnel while 
> holding the "flap" back so that it doesn't velcro itself to the opposing 
> side. If you are old, stiff, and whiny as I, then this can require certain 
> contortions to get thick sock into shoe without bunching (shoes are 
> properly sized).
>
> Do the models from the last 5 years use the same wrap-around neoprene sock?
>
> Still and all, even mine are comfortably and comfortingly warm on longer 
> rides at temps well below freezing.
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:21 AM Josh Brown  wrote:
>
>> Bought a pair of Lake (MXZ 200) a couple years ago and wear them when it 
>> gets below 30 here.
>>
>> They have a goretex liner, vibaram sole, great stiffness and plenty of 
>> room in the toe box for thick socks. They also have a cutaway so you can 
>> use SPDs if that's your speed.
>>
>> Josh in slushy NYC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 10:51 PM Brady Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> For quick trips around town I usually just wear hiking books--with wool 
>>> socks, I'm plenty warm down into the teens. 
>>>
>>> For longer rides, there's really nothing better than neoprene shoe 
>>> covers. I went out for almost four hours today in 35 degree weather, 
>>> wearing regular cycling socks, my Pearl Izumi all-road shoes, and a pair of 
>>> old Giro shoe covers I bought when I started bike commuting a few years 
>>> ago. Toasty the whole time. I've survived 60 minute bike commutes in single 
>>> digits with those and hiking socks. They don't mesh real well with casual 
>>> wear, but I find that this is one area where technical roadie gear is 
>>> superior to most other options. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 2:08:57 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I just finished a nearly 2 hour fatbike ride on a snow covered trail in 
 20 degree weather. I was wearing one pair of medium weight socks with 
 these 
 insulated, separate thinsulate liner, rubber boots. Toasty warm the whole 
 time.


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 30, 2022, at 4:26 AM, Roberta  wrote:

 Sounds like you’re going in the right direction.  There are also toe 
 and hand warmers—you expose to air and the chemical reaction releases 
 heat—and battery powered heated socks.  



 On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 3:15:04 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:

> Hi Bruce - 
>
> Thanks for that insight. I went for a long ride today in mid-thirties. 
> I was wearing mid-weight wool sucks under thick wool socks inside rubber 
> soled shoes. I was pretty comfortable for the first two hours but then my 
> toes and balls of my feet started to get extremely cold. By the time I 
> finished the ride at hour 3, they were almost numb. When I took the shoes 
> off, the socks were really cold (although couldn't tell if they were 
> wet). 
> I figured based on this experience that my feat are sweating and then 
> getting cold. I would have thought that merino wool socks would wick the 
> moisture away but I guess it isn't as effective. 
>
> I am thinking of giving SealSkinz a try because they are waterproof. 
> Which type do you use for sub 30 degree riding? I see that they have both 
> cold weather and extremely cold weather. 
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:27:29 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> It's not just the shoes.  My suggestion is included with my get up 
>> for 20-30 deg rides.
>>
>> I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base 
>> layer with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell.  
>> Merino skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity 
>> pants (great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins 
>> (breathable) 
>> inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 
>> size 
>> too large to accommodate the thickness. C

[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Johnny Alien]

Yep!

https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/135532314029/the-joe-appaloosa-saga-its-a-new-bike

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 12:31:54 AM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> Were the choco moose bars original equipment on the first round of 
> Appaloosas?  
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:10:33 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>
>> [image: 186E1CD7-3716-4BE9-A68B-A3B5D6CD2FD2.jpeg]+1 choco moose
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:18:11 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Same here for the choco moose bars on this bike. I switched to albatross 
>>> to lighten the build, but went back to the perfect  bars for this 
>>> bike—choco moose. 
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:58:54 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>>
 I did the same thing to my Appaloosas: boscomoose, bullmoose, 
 chocomoose, choco, albatross, billie. All of them worked great on this 
 bike. At the end of the day I always come back to the chocomoose though. 
 There is something magical about those bars, at least for me. Great hand 
 positions. I love how they are inverted. And yes, they are tougher and 
 stiffer than other bars 'n stems. They work great with bar end shifters or 
 thumbies. One thing I discovered is that although I think the silver 
 shifters are the best, the clamp is not so great for inboard thumbies. The 
 microshift shifters with paul levers have a nice low profile and don't 
 interrupt your hand positions. With respect to the Newbaums, yes I have 
 used a shameful amount for bar swaps over the years. At some point I just 
 started slipping oury grips on the end and leaving the forward grip areas 
 permanently taped. Bike looks great!

 Bones

 On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:57:14 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> I just used my standard Nitto drop bar on my Appaloosa, with a shorter 
> stem than on my other bikes because it has a longer top tube. Brake 
> levers 
> in their normal location, wrapped the bars, haven't changed anything 
> since:
> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]
>
> Nick
>


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Re: [RBW] New Bike-Trade Day - A(nother) Quickbeam

[Patch T]

Just as chuffed for your *Approve*, Patrick :) You've pointed out my 
favorite bits. Especially those bars, I've not found a *better* drop bar 
for me. But I really hate to disappoint: the photo/uneven ground is 
obscuring their actual ~1deg of uptilt, as I might be crazy but my hands do 
like the tiniest bit of angle. But 1 is basically 0, right? Still approve?

No, I know, it would be the coolest set up fixed. I should really throw a 
17t or 18t cog on the other side of that Suzue hub - I haven't ridden a lot 
of fixed, and not in a very long time. 

They make 3/32 fixed cogs, right?

Patch,
whose knees are already trembling in BK, NYC
On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:26:32 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I highly approved this build.
>
> Signed and certified by Patrick Moore.
>
> Hermaneutic: Mr. Patch chose the ineffably nice Maes Parallel bar, the 
> best bar in the universe, and he installed it properly with ends of hooks 
> strictly parallel to Mother Earth.
>
> The saddle-to-drop relationship is just right. (Metric: I like it and 
> would so set a bike up myself!)
>
> VO shiny fenders over plump but not obese tires.
>
> Patch: Is the drivetrain fixed or merely single speed? You can push your 
> overall score from 98.3275% to well over 100% by having a fixed drivetrain.
>
> In all seriousness (no!), that's lovely.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 7:28 AM Patch T  wrote:
>
>> Hi Bunch,
>>
>> *tl:dr - Kyle's Quickbeam was too big. Mine was maybe too small. We 
>> swapped. Photos.*
>>
>> I've ridden an orange Quickbeam for about 5 years. It's seen all sorts of 
>> builds, all sorts of rides, camping trips, commutes; the slow end of a 
>> toxic relationship and the start of a healthy one, an engagement, a 
>> cross-country move (again), a pandemic a career change... As you can 
>> imagine, I'm in love with the bike. My first and only Rivendell (so far) 
>> but I don't really feel the itch for another. Ok maybe a Mountain Mixte. Or 
>> Roadeo. Or Saluki, maybe. I digress. 
>>
>> I sold a few frames so I could purchase it, used, from an angel named 
>> John who even let me pay in installments. I've learned a lot about bikes 
>> and about wrenching, but also about sizing in the short 5 years since - one 
>> thing I learned is that I should/could ride larger bikes than I thought. 
>>
>> For a while it was my only bike. Kyle from Golden Saddle Cycles used to 
>> frequently catch me outside riding the QB back when I lived in LA, or when 
>> I visited his shop, and every time he would remind me he'd gladly purchase 
>> that bike when I'm ready to sell. You can imagine my answer - however, he 
>> never let up. 
>>
>> Fast forward to cruising Instagram late last year, now living in NYC, and 
>> I saw that Kyle finally got his holy grail - a silver Quickbeam - but in a 
>> size too big for him. He thought he'd like to try out a French fit, but it 
>> didn't work out. So I wrote him, thinking his new-to-him 56 would fit me 
>> better (or, differently + nicely) than my beloved 54. He agreed, and we 
>> packed and shipped each other our frames (he had me ship his to Black Magic 
>> Paint!) 
>>
>> I've spent the past month rebuilding; highlights include a TA crank, 
>> shiny VO fenders, Compass Maes Parallel bar, Swift rando bag, dyno 
>> lighting, Paul brakes (minimoto front, touring rear), 38mm Gravelking 
>> slicks.
>>
>> Was it worth the $80ish in shipping? Maybe. It's not necessarily *more* 
>> comfortable, but *differently* comfortable. I do like having a shorter 
>> stem, and less seatpost showing than before - that feeling of being *in* 
>> it, rather than *above* it. All in all - with the new color and different 
>> (again) parts - it's kinda like a new bike day, for under $100.
>>
>> Patch
>> BK/NYC
>>  [image: image3 (2).jpeg][image: image1 (16).jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: New Bike-Trade Day - A(nother) Quickbeam

[Max S]

"No one asked, but I thought I'd share that the rear fender is mounted 
using these safety tabs 
.
 
They look nice enough and allow for easy-enough wheel removal with the 
rear-facing dropouts. Handy for the (very) occasional hill out here on 
which I would enjoy 'shifting' from 44x16 to 44x19." 

I noticed that and for a moment thought you had them backwards, but this is 
an interesting idea! I use them with my front metal fender, but not the 
rear. (For that I have been using a Paul SS/Fixed hub that uses bolts, upon 
removal of which the wheel can be dropped out vertically. There are some 
other hubs that use a similar set-up. Retrogression sells many of them.) 

- Max "learn something new today" in A2

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:53:38 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> Thanks folks - truly an honor to get an 'APPROVE' from Bill! I'm a huge 
> fan of his whole stable, to the extent that he's shared it here or iBob 
> over the last few years... 
>
> I thought I really liked orange; but I think I prefer the QB in silver 
> now. Orange may be the fastest color but silver is the plane-iest!
>
> No one asked, but I thought I'd share that the rear fender is mounted 
> using these safety tabs 
> .
>  
> They look nice enough and allow for easy-enough wheel removal with the 
> rear-facing dropouts. Handy for the (very) occasional hill out here on 
> which I would enjoy 'shifting' from 44x16 to 44x19.
>
> Patch
>
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:50:50 PM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> That is a great story!  Only Riv's would have such a history!  Matt has 
>> my old green 58 and I'm currently on Jamisons old 62 so this is the 
>> carousel of QBs!
>>
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:39:35 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Laing pointed out the FJSr has a "smaller diameter tube set".  
>>>
>>> It's just the downtube that is smaller diameter, but I agree with you 
>>> that the planing zealots should love that.  That said, the planing zealots 
>>> generally scoff at long chainstays and/or easily find other things to 
>>> complain about.  
>>>
>>> If that $1500 MSRP frameset was being sold used for $750, I'd grab it.  
>>> I don't think I could part out that $2800 build to get it down to $750 for 
>>> a F/F/HS.  
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:22:12 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I would classify the FJ Sr as the Rivendell most likely to "plane" of 
 any recent Rivendell bike doe to it's smaller diameter tube set, that is, 
 if I had any idea what "planing" was. 

 Laing

 On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:11:11 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Thanks Doug, but that's out of my price range.  It may be naive of me, 
> but I think used-anything should be half-retail.  $2800 for that build 
> strikes me as a fair bit more than half retail, even though it is a 
> high-end build.  Add to that the fact that the FJ Senor has essentially 
> zero cult following.  Maybe it's collectors prices for the Paul Racer 
> brakes?  HAHA
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:54:44 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>> There is a 57 cm Frank Jones Sr. on eBay if that interests you. I'll 
>> post the link in case you hadn't seen it. 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185245621839?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&siteid=0&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&toolid=20008&campid=5335981329&customid=with-subcat
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 10:46:59 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> APPROVE!
>>>
>>> I want a silver 58cm Quickbeam.  There's a green 60cm locally, but I 
>>> don't like British Racing Green on bikes.  I might end up with it 
>>> anyway, 
>>> but I'm not going to cry if somebody else buys it.  If that 60cm green 
>>> was 
>>> a 58cm silver, I'd already have it...
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:28:48 AM UTC-8 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 Hi Bunch,

 *tl:dr - Kyle's Quickbeam was too big. Mine was maybe too small. We 
 swapped. Photos.*

 I've ridden an orange Quickbeam for about 5 years. It's seen all 
 sorts of builds, all sorts of rides, camping trips, commutes; the slow 
 end 
 of a toxic relationship and the start of a healthy one, an engagement, 
 a 
 cross-country move (again), a pandemic a career change... As you can 
 imagine, I'm in love with the bike. My first and only Rivendell (so 
 far) 
 but I don't really feel the itch for another. Ok maybe a Mountain 
 Mixte. Or 
 Roadeo. Or Saluki, maybe. I digress. 

 I sold a few frames so I could purchase it, used, from an angel 
 nam

Re: [RBW] New Bike-Trade Day - A(nother) Quickbeam

[Bill Lindsay]

Patrick Moore stated with mock-sincerity:   "Hermaneutic: Mr. Patch chose 
the ineffably nice Maes Parallel bar, the best bar in the universe, and he 
installed it properly with ends of hooks strictly parallel to Mother Earth."

Patch apologized with the correction: " But I really hate to disappoint: 
the photo/uneven ground is obscuring their actual ~1deg of uptilt"

I'd like to match Patrick Moore's mock sincerity with an assertion of the 
real and true rules for the angle of one's drops.  Patrick Moore states 
that everybody's drops should be parallel to the horizon.  This is false.  
The rules are as follows:

1. drops can never have a downward tilt
2. drops can only be parallel to the ground when on a bike with a level top 
tube
2.a. drops parallel to the earth can be permitted on a bike with no top tube
2.b. drops parallel to the earth can be permitted on a bike with a curved 
top tube
3. on bikes with an upsloping top tube, drops must be parallel to the top 
tube, NOT parallel to the horizon
4. It is permitted in all cases for the drops to have 0 degrees up to 2 
degrees MORE upslope than the top tube.  
5. It is never permitted to have the drops "flatter" than the top tube.  
All bikes with the drops flatter than the top tube slope are objectively 
"goofy looking"

Patch is correctly observing the real rules.  The correct observance 
deserves a restated: APPROVE.  

Bill "speaker of truth" Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:28:32 AM UTC-8 Patch T wrote:

> Just as chuffed for your *Approve*, Patrick :) You've pointed out my 
> favorite bits. Especially those bars, I've not found a *better* drop bar 
> for me. But I really hate to disappoint: the photo/uneven ground is 
> obscuring their actual ~1deg of uptilt, as I might be crazy but my hands do 
> like the tiniest bit of angle. But 1 is basically 0, right? Still approve?
>
> No, I know, it would be the coolest set up fixed. I should really throw a 
> 17t or 18t cog on the other side of that Suzue hub - I haven't ridden a lot 
> of fixed, and not in a very long time. 
>
> They make 3/32 fixed cogs, right?
>
> Patch,
> whose knees are already trembling in BK, NYC
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:26:32 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I highly approved this build.
>>
>> Signed and certified by Patrick Moore.
>>
>> Hermaneutic: Mr. Patch chose the ineffably nice Maes Parallel bar, the 
>> best bar in the universe, and he installed it properly with ends of hooks 
>> strictly parallel to Mother Earth.
>>
>> The saddle-to-drop relationship is just right. (Metric: I like it and 
>> would so set a bike up myself!)
>>
>> VO shiny fenders over plump but not obese tires.
>>
>> Patch: Is the drivetrain fixed or merely single speed? You can push your 
>> overall score from 98.3275% to well over 100% by having a fixed drivetrain.
>>
>> In all seriousness (no!), that's lovely.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 7:28 AM Patch T  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bunch,
>>>
>>> *tl:dr - Kyle's Quickbeam was too big. Mine was maybe too small. We 
>>> swapped. Photos.*
>>>
>>> I've ridden an orange Quickbeam for about 5 years. It's seen all sorts 
>>> of builds, all sorts of rides, camping trips, commutes; the slow end of a 
>>> toxic relationship and the start of a healthy one, an engagement, a 
>>> cross-country move (again), a pandemic a career change... As you can 
>>> imagine, I'm in love with the bike. My first and only Rivendell (so far) 
>>> but I don't really feel the itch for another. Ok maybe a Mountain Mixte. Or 
>>> Roadeo. Or Saluki, maybe. I digress. 
>>>
>>> I sold a few frames so I could purchase it, used, from an angel named 
>>> John who even let me pay in installments. I've learned a lot about bikes 
>>> and about wrenching, but also about sizing in the short 5 years since - one 
>>> thing I learned is that I should/could ride larger bikes than I thought. 
>>>
>>> For a while it was my only bike. Kyle from Golden Saddle Cycles used to 
>>> frequently catch me outside riding the QB back when I lived in LA, or when 
>>> I visited his shop, and every time he would remind me he'd gladly purchase 
>>> that bike when I'm ready to sell. You can imagine my answer - however, he 
>>> never let up. 
>>>
>>> Fast forward to cruising Instagram late last year, now living in NYC, 
>>> and I saw that Kyle finally got his holy grail - a silver Quickbeam - but 
>>> in a size too big for him. He thought he'd like to try out a French fit, 
>>> but it didn't work out. So I wrote him, thinking his new-to-him 56 would 
>>> fit me better (or, differently + nicely) than my beloved 54. He agreed, and 
>>> we packed and shipped each other our frames (he had me ship his to Black 
>>> Magic Paint!) 
>>>
>>> I've spent the past month rebuilding; highlights include a TA crank, 
>>> shiny VO fenders, Compass Maes Parallel bar, Swift rando bag, dyno 
>>> lighting, Paul brakes (minimoto front, touring rear), 38mm Gravelking 
>>> slicks.
>>>
>>> Was it worth the $80ish in sh

Re: [RBW] Items for sale to help a friend

[Joe Mullins]

Keswick and and Zeitgesit are pending sale. Thanks!

> 
> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
> 
> 
> Fantastic. 
> 
> No rush on my end. Just hang on to it and I can grab it when schedules are 
> better.
> I’m happy to PayPal or Venmo any time, or can do cash in person.
> 
> Thanks!
> Ben
> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:49 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>> 
>> Great thanks Ben! I work until probably 8-9pm tomorrow and not sure what 
>> hours the rest of the week. I’m in production so long hours for me until the 
>> weekend. I’d be happy to meet as I’m close by in Mt. Washington. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Joe
>> 818-590-8377
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Hey Joe
>>> 
>>> I’ll take the carradice bag if it’s still available. I live in Echo Park so 
>>> maybe I can just pick it up sometime? Happy to pay right away, though.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben Adrian
>>> 510-543-6407
>>> 
> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
> 
 
 *I will be updating this list of items for sale as I take more pictures, 
 gather more prices, and decide what else to part with.
 
 I’ve been inspired by Riv’s spirit of supporting those in need and have 
 decided that 100% of the proceeds of everything that sells will go to 
 support a friend who’s mother is battling ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig’s 
 disease—a rare and progressive neurological disease that primarily affects 
 the nerve cells responsible for controlling voluntary muscle movement.
 
 A little over a year ago, my good friend Marisa’s mother was diagnosed 
 with ALS. It has been an agonizing year for both of them. The emotional 
 toll is immeasurable. Given the fact that her mother lives nearly three 
 hours away and requires round the clock care, Marisa has begun to fall 
 into financial hardship while spending time caring for her mom. She is a 
 hairdresser in Los Angeles and she can’t cut her clients’ hair while 
 caring for her mom up in Santa Maria.
 
 Some close friends and I are hoping that we can chip in to support her so 
 that she can spend what time remains with her mother being present and not 
 worrying about the unmanageable debt that’s piling up.
 
 Prices are what I estimate they are worth given current market value but 
 if you feel like being generous, know that 100% of it goes to my friend. I 
 ask that you please add $15 for shipping. The actual cost to ship from Los 
 Angeles may be more or it may be less. If its less, that will go to my 
 friend too. If it’s more, I will cover the difference.
 
 Some items may be bicycle-adjacent (camera bags, etc.) Under normal 
 circumstances I’d never post non-bike items for sale in the group but 
 since it goes to a good cause, I figure it does more good than harm.
 
 Thanks in advance to anyone who might buy some of this stuff! 
 
 -Joe
 
 
 
 ITEMS FOR SALE:
 
 1. Swift Industries Zeitgeist bag (2020 version) - $130
 
 Barely used, only damage is a slight tear shown in one of the photos.
 2. Carradice Keswick handlebar bag - $80
 
 Comes with 2 Klickfix mounts for transferring between bikes
 Like new, purchased in 2020.
 3. Sugino AT 170mm 3 speed cranks 24-34-46 - $100
 
 The 34T & 46T chainrings are Sugino, the 24T is a steel Shimano
 4. Thomson Masterpiece 27.2x330 set back seat post - $80
 
 Used with a few scratches as shown in the photos
 5. MKS GR-9 platform pedals with cages and VO leather straps - make an 
 offer!
 
 6. Roadrunner bags cell phone pouch - $25
 
 Great condition with no signs of use
 7. GB Stem 12cm - make an offer!
 
 8. Billingham 335 camera bag - $275
 
 Almost new 
 Almost fits into a Wald 137 basket. Will easily fit into Wald 139
 Photos of everything here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
 
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[RBW] Re: New Bike-Trade Day - A(nother) Quickbeam

[Paul Brodek]

Fabulous Fort Lee!! Go Bridgemen!!! Er, Bridgepeople

Paul "Formerly From Fort Lee" Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> Hi Bunch,
>
> *tl:dr - Kyle's Quickbeam was too big. Mine was maybe too small. We 
> swapped. Photos.*
>
> I've ridden an orange Quickbeam for about 5 years. It's seen all sorts of 
> builds, all sorts of rides, camping trips, commutes; the slow end of a 
> toxic relationship and the start of a healthy one, an engagement, a 
> cross-country move (again), a pandemic a career change... As you can 
> imagine, I'm in love with the bike. My first and only Rivendell (so far) 
> but I don't really feel the itch for another. Ok maybe a Mountain Mixte. Or 
> Roadeo. Or Saluki, maybe. I digress. 
>
> I sold a few frames so I could purchase it, used, from an angel named John 
> who even let me pay in installments. I've learned a lot about bikes and 
> about wrenching, but also about sizing in the short 5 years since - one 
> thing I learned is that I should/could ride larger bikes than I thought. 
>
> For a while it was my only bike. Kyle from Golden Saddle Cycles used to 
> frequently catch me outside riding the QB back when I lived in LA, or when 
> I visited his shop, and every time he would remind me he'd gladly purchase 
> that bike when I'm ready to sell. You can imagine my answer - however, he 
> never let up. 
>
> Fast forward to cruising Instagram late last year, now living in NYC, and 
> I saw that Kyle finally got his holy grail - a silver Quickbeam - but in a 
> size too big for him. He thought he'd like to try out a French fit, but it 
> didn't work out. So I wrote him, thinking his new-to-him 56 would fit me 
> better (or, differently + nicely) than my beloved 54. He agreed, and we 
> packed and shipped each other our frames (he had me ship his to Black Magic 
> Paint!) 
>
> I've spent the past month rebuilding; highlights include a TA crank, shiny 
> VO fenders, Compass Maes Parallel bar, Swift rando bag, dyno lighting, Paul 
> brakes (minimoto front, touring rear), 38mm Gravelking slicks.
>
> Was it worth the $80ish in shipping? Maybe. It's not necessarily *more* 
> comfortable, but *differently* comfortable. I do like having a shorter 
> stem, and less seatpost showing than before - that feeling of being *in* 
> it, rather than *above* it. All in all - with the new color and different 
> (again) parts - it's kinda like a new bike day, for under $100.
>
> Patch
> BK/NYC
>  [image: image3 (2).jpeg][image: image1 (16).jpeg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My new Clem in Seoul

[Richard Rose]

Sweet! Describe the grips please. Wrap over ESI?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 31, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Marcus
> Like your build . Very 
> Clean
> Jon
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 10:56 AM Max S  wrote:
>> That purple bar tape goes well with the frame color! I miss visiting 
>> Korea... Didn't seem like much of a bike scene there, except for a large 
>> number of mini-velos I'd see inside of buildings and on campuses. How's the 
>> riding? 
>> 
>> - Max " 'bap and beef knee garlic soup? you have my number" in A2 
>> 
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:19:14 PM UTC-5 marcusg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Looking at all the Clems in this group helped with my long wait for mine to 
>>> arrive in South Korea. So here are some pics of my Clem for you!
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Platypus (50cm) and Randonneur (63cm)

[Mike Godwin]

Hi Daniel

I saw the JB on LA craigslist, thinking, that bike has to be Daniel's.  
Now, the truth is out.  Fabulous looking bike. Luckily it is too big for 
me, and my former Roadeo is coming back to the west coast. 

Mike SLO CA

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:05:29 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> Before Kathie grabs this one, a pic is always fun to see. Once the ad is 
> gone, it's gone. 
>
> Marty
>
> [image: 00m0m_k047CNM0HL1z_09G07g_1200x900.jpeg]
>
> Nice looking Rando bike too, but how does that pump placement work? Looks 
> like it crosses behind the seat tube and rests on the BB shell somehow. 
> Just curious. 
>
> [image: 00r0r_29MOxLsyhAmz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:48:35 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Welcome Kathie, 
>>
>> Go get it! The numbers on that frame are hard to come by so far (no 
>> geometry chart), but a list member recently checked the effective toptube 
>> on the 55 Platy and came up with about 59.5-60cm. At 5'-6" 80-ish PBH I 
>> could ride that size with bars and post slammed, and I know I can ride the 
>> 50 because I rode the prototype at RBW. Which is to say I'm at the bottom 
>> of the size range for the 55 and will fit a 50 easy, so if you're my height 
>> or shorter the small Platy will work! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:52:14 PM UTC-8 kbe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I’m new to this site. I am in the market for a Platy. I just need to 
>>> double check my PBH , then I can pull the trigger.  Hopefully tomorrow! 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Kathie 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 8:52 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> Pretty sure someone on the list is looking for a Platy. That is a nice 
>>> build!
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-5 Daniel wrote:
>>>
 Hi, all!
 My friend (and former owner of my Clem H!) Gautam is selling a 50cm 
 Platypus: 
 https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bik/d/azusa-rivendell-platypus-50-cm-like-new/7440088017.html

 It's stunning...the pictures do NOT do it justice! It's no secret these 
 are sold out and those who were fortunate to grab one love them! Please 
 reach out to him via his CL ad, but if you won't hear back (you will!), 
 let 
 me know and I can nudge him.

 While I'm posting, I'll make a shameless plug for J Bryant randonneur. 
 It's 63cm, kitted out with all the right bits (Herse cranks, Edelux, 
 Noodle 
 bars, Berthoud bag and Dura Ace 9s, etc.). It's also ready for a new home: 
 https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/d/yorba-linda-63cm-custom-randonneur/7416115606.html

 Thank you for your time!

 Best,

 Daniel
 Yorba Linda, CA

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[RBW] Blue Homer Hilsen Cables

[Chris Fly]

Hello All,

Looking to replace the housing on my Hilsen with Velo-Orange Cables and they 
don’t have the grey that’s on my bike now… 

What colors do you all have on a Hilsen blue bike? I kind of like the idea of 
the brown, but…. 

Chris 

Make a space for people to come as they are and not have to just “fit in”

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Hillborne PRICE DROP

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

PRICE DROP. I got absolutely no response at all so. guess I am too 
high? OR No one wants a Hillborne these days? Make a reasonable offer. 

Ahmed in San Mateo

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:

> Let's try this again
> For Sale my 55cm Hillborne. Purchased in 2019 from Riv. Velocity Atlas 
> 700c, Silver cranks and MKS pedals, Berthoud saddle, Nitto seatpost and 
> Nitto Dirtdrop stem, Crust/Nitto dropbars plus Brooks bartape with stem 
> shifter. Nitto front rack with Wald big basket. Only about 1k miles on it. 
> Selling to thin the herd and make room for another build. $2900 and prefer 
> local only. Would love to sell it here before I put it up on Craigslist. 
>
> thanks
> Ahmed in San Mateo, CA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Items for sale to help a friend

[Joe Mullins]

Cranks are sold thank you!

> 
> On Feb 1, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
> 
> Keswick and and Zeitgesit are pending sale. Thanks!
> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Fantastic. 
>> 
>> No rush on my end. Just hang on to it and I can grab it when schedules are 
>> better.
>> I’m happy to PayPal or Venmo any time, or can do cash in person.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>> 
 On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:49 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
 
>>> Great thanks Ben! I work until probably 8-9pm tomorrow and not sure what 
>>> hours the rest of the week. I’m in production so long hours for me until 
>>> the weekend. I’d be happy to meet as I’m close by in Mt. Washington. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joe
>>> 818-590-8377
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
> 
 
 Hey Joe
 
 I’ll take the carradice bag if it’s still available. I live in Echo Park 
 so maybe I can just pick it up sometime? Happy to pay right away, though.
 
 Thanks!
 Ben Adrian
 510-543-6407
 
>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>> 
> 
> *I will be updating this list of items for sale as I take more pictures, 
> gather more prices, and decide what else to part with.
> 
> I’ve been inspired by Riv’s spirit of supporting those in need and have 
> decided that 100% of the proceeds of everything that sells will go to 
> support a friend who’s mother is battling ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig’s 
> disease—a rare and progressive neurological disease that primarily 
> affects the nerve cells responsible for controlling voluntary muscle 
> movement.
> 
> A little over a year ago, my good friend Marisa’s mother was diagnosed 
> with ALS. It has been an agonizing year for both of them. The emotional 
> toll is immeasurable. Given the fact that her mother lives nearly three 
> hours away and requires round the clock care, Marisa has begun to fall 
> into financial hardship while spending time caring for her mom. She is a 
> hairdresser in Los Angeles and she can’t cut her clients’ hair while 
> caring for her mom up in Santa Maria.
> 
> Some close friends and I are hoping that we can chip in to support her so 
> that she can spend what time remains with her mother being present and 
> not worrying about the unmanageable debt that’s piling up.
> 
> Prices are what I estimate they are worth given current market value but 
> if you feel like being generous, know that 100% of it goes to my friend. 
> I ask that you please add $15 for shipping. The actual cost to ship from 
> Los Angeles may be more or it may be less. If its less, that will go to 
> my friend too. If it’s more, I will cover the difference.
> 
> Some items may be bicycle-adjacent (camera bags, etc.) Under normal 
> circumstances I’d never post non-bike items for sale in the group but 
> since it goes to a good cause, I figure it does more good than harm.
> 
> Thanks in advance to anyone who might buy some of this stuff! 
> 
> -Joe
> 
> 
> 
> ITEMS FOR SALE:
> 
> 1. Swift Industries Zeitgeist bag (2020 version) - $130
> 
> Barely used, only damage is a slight tear shown in one of the photos.
> 2. Carradice Keswick handlebar bag - $80
> 
> Comes with 2 Klickfix mounts for transferring between bikes
> Like new, purchased in 2020.
> 3. Sugino AT 170mm 3 speed cranks 24-34-46 - $100
> 
> The 34T & 46T chainrings are Sugino, the 24T is a steel Shimano
> 4. Thomson Masterpiece 27.2x330 set back seat post - $80
> 
> Used with a few scratches as shown in the photos
> 5. MKS GR-9 platform pedals with cages and VO leather straps - make an 
> offer!
> 
> 6. Roadrunner bags cell phone pouch - $25
> 
> Great condition with no signs of use
> 7. GB Stem 12cm - make an offer!
> 
> 8. Billingham 335 camera bag - $275
> 
> Almost new 
> Almost fits into a Wald 137 basket. Will easily fit into Wald 139
> Photos of everything here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
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[RBW] Re: New Bike-Trade Day - A(nother) Quickbeam

[Brady Smith]

Great bike! I also share Paul's enthusiasm for the view. Until June I lived 
right on the other side of the bridge from where that shot was taken and 
rode my bike into the city for work. Utah has natural canyons as opposed to 
man-made ones, but I do miss those long, rolling hills along the Hudson and 
the whole NYC bike commuter scene.  

Brady in SLC

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:17:15 PM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:

> Fabulous Fort Lee!! Go Bridgemen!!! Er, Bridgepeople
>
> Paul "Formerly From Fort Lee" Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Hi Bunch,
>>
>> *tl:dr - Kyle's Quickbeam was too big. Mine was maybe too small. We 
>> swapped. Photos.*
>>
>> I've ridden an orange Quickbeam for about 5 years. It's seen all sorts of 
>> builds, all sorts of rides, camping trips, commutes; the slow end of a 
>> toxic relationship and the start of a healthy one, an engagement, a 
>> cross-country move (again), a pandemic a career change... As you can 
>> imagine, I'm in love with the bike. My first and only Rivendell (so far) 
>> but I don't really feel the itch for another. Ok maybe a Mountain Mixte. Or 
>> Roadeo. Or Saluki, maybe. I digress. 
>>
>> I sold a few frames so I could purchase it, used, from an angel named 
>> John who even let me pay in installments. I've learned a lot about bikes 
>> and about wrenching, but also about sizing in the short 5 years since - one 
>> thing I learned is that I should/could ride larger bikes than I thought. 
>>
>> For a while it was my only bike. Kyle from Golden Saddle Cycles used to 
>> frequently catch me outside riding the QB back when I lived in LA, or when 
>> I visited his shop, and every time he would remind me he'd gladly purchase 
>> that bike when I'm ready to sell. You can imagine my answer - however, he 
>> never let up. 
>>
>> Fast forward to cruising Instagram late last year, now living in NYC, and 
>> I saw that Kyle finally got his holy grail - a silver Quickbeam - but in a 
>> size too big for him. He thought he'd like to try out a French fit, but it 
>> didn't work out. So I wrote him, thinking his new-to-him 56 would fit me 
>> better (or, differently + nicely) than my beloved 54. He agreed, and we 
>> packed and shipped each other our frames (he had me ship his to Black Magic 
>> Paint!) 
>>
>> I've spent the past month rebuilding; highlights include a TA crank, 
>> shiny VO fenders, Compass Maes Parallel bar, Swift rando bag, dyno 
>> lighting, Paul brakes (minimoto front, touring rear), 38mm Gravelking 
>> slicks.
>>
>> Was it worth the $80ish in shipping? Maybe. It's not necessarily *more* 
>> comfortable, but *differently* comfortable. I do like having a shorter 
>> stem, and less seatpost showing than before - that feeling of being *in* 
>> it, rather than *above* it. All in all - with the new color and different 
>> (again) parts - it's kinda like a new bike day, for under $100.
>>
>> Patch
>> BK/NYC
>>  [image: image3 (2).jpeg][image: image1 (16).jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike-Trade Day - A(nother) Quickbeam

[Chris Halasz]

Drops are properly tangential to Earth's surface, orthogonal to earth 
center. 

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:53:31 PM UTC-8 Brady Smith wrote:

> Great bike! I also share Paul's enthusiasm for the view. Until June I 
> lived right on the other side of the bridge from where that shot was taken 
> and rode my bike into the city for work. Utah has natural canyons as 
> opposed to man-made ones, but I do miss those long, rolling hills along the 
> Hudson and the whole NYC bike commuter scene.  
>
> Brady in SLC
>
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:17:15 PM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> Fabulous Fort Lee!! Go Bridgemen!!! Er, Bridgepeople
>>
>> Paul "Formerly From Fort Lee" Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bunch,
>>>
>>> *tl:dr - Kyle's Quickbeam was too big. Mine was maybe too small. We 
>>> swapped. Photos.*
>>>
>>> I've ridden an orange Quickbeam for about 5 years. It's seen all sorts 
>>> of builds, all sorts of rides, camping trips, commutes; the slow end of a 
>>> toxic relationship and the start of a healthy one, an engagement, a 
>>> cross-country move (again), a pandemic a career change... As you can 
>>> imagine, I'm in love with the bike. My first and only Rivendell (so far) 
>>> but I don't really feel the itch for another. Ok maybe a Mountain Mixte. Or 
>>> Roadeo. Or Saluki, maybe. I digress. 
>>>
>>> I sold a few frames so I could purchase it, used, from an angel named 
>>> John who even let me pay in installments. I've learned a lot about bikes 
>>> and about wrenching, but also about sizing in the short 5 years since - one 
>>> thing I learned is that I should/could ride larger bikes than I thought. 
>>>
>>> For a while it was my only bike. Kyle from Golden Saddle Cycles used to 
>>> frequently catch me outside riding the QB back when I lived in LA, or when 
>>> I visited his shop, and every time he would remind me he'd gladly purchase 
>>> that bike when I'm ready to sell. You can imagine my answer - however, he 
>>> never let up. 
>>>
>>> Fast forward to cruising Instagram late last year, now living in NYC, 
>>> and I saw that Kyle finally got his holy grail - a silver Quickbeam - but 
>>> in a size too big for him. He thought he'd like to try out a French fit, 
>>> but it didn't work out. So I wrote him, thinking his new-to-him 56 would 
>>> fit me better (or, differently + nicely) than my beloved 54. He agreed, and 
>>> we packed and shipped each other our frames (he had me ship his to Black 
>>> Magic Paint!) 
>>>
>>> I've spent the past month rebuilding; highlights include a TA crank, 
>>> shiny VO fenders, Compass Maes Parallel bar, Swift rando bag, dyno 
>>> lighting, Paul brakes (minimoto front, touring rear), 38mm Gravelking 
>>> slicks.
>>>
>>> Was it worth the $80ish in shipping? Maybe. It's not necessarily *more* 
>>> comfortable, but *differently* comfortable. I do like having a shorter 
>>> stem, and less seatpost showing than before - that feeling of being *in* 
>>> it, rather than *above* it. All in all - with the new color and different 
>>> (again) parts - it's kinda like a new bike day, for under $100.
>>>
>>> Patch
>>> BK/NYC
>>>  [image: image3 (2).jpeg][image: image1 (16).jpeg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Hillborne PRICE DROP

[Chris Halasz]

Ahmed 

The Sam is a very nice build and color - just one size too small for me. 

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:06:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:

> PRICE DROP. I got absolutely no response at all so. guess I am too 
> high? OR No one wants a Hillborne these days? Make a reasonable offer. 
>
> Ahmed in San Mateo
>
> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>
>> Let's try this again
>> For Sale my 55cm Hillborne. Purchased in 2019 from Riv. Velocity Atlas 
>> 700c, Silver cranks and MKS pedals, Berthoud saddle, Nitto seatpost and 
>> Nitto Dirtdrop stem, Crust/Nitto dropbars plus Brooks bartape with stem 
>> shifter. Nitto front rack with Wald big basket. Only about 1k miles on it. 
>> Selling to thin the herd and make room for another build. $2900 and prefer 
>> local only. Would love to sell it here before I put it up on Craigslist. 
>>
>> thanks
>> Ahmed in San Mateo, CA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Hillborne PRICE DROP

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

Thanks Chris!!!

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 7:20 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:

> Ahmed
>
> The Sam is a very nice build and color - just one size too small for me.
>
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:06:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>
>> PRICE DROP. I got absolutely no response at all so. guess I am
>> too high? OR No one wants a Hillborne these days? Make a reasonable offer.
>>
>> Ahmed in San Mateo
>>
>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>>
>>> Let's try this again
>>> For Sale my 55cm Hillborne. Purchased in 2019 from Riv. Velocity Atlas
>>> 700c, Silver cranks and MKS pedals, Berthoud saddle, Nitto seatpost and
>>> Nitto Dirtdrop stem, Crust/Nitto dropbars plus Brooks bartape with stem
>>> shifter. Nitto front rack with Wald big basket. Only about 1k miles on it.
>>> Selling to thin the herd and make room for another build. $2900 and prefer
>>> local only. Would love to sell it here before I put it up on Craigslist.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Ahmed in San Mateo, CA
>>>
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