[RBW] Re: FS(Bay Area): 58? Quickbeam

[Max S]

Great bike... The slight rise in the top tube makes it more like a +2 cm 
trad. frame size. Which I like. Clearance is good. Color is fast. Price is 
good! GLWS! 

- Max "a few thousand happy kms on my 58" in A2

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 6:47:22 PM UTC-5 diekaiser wrote:

> Hey all, since I'm heading up to Oregon I wanted to open it up to anyone 
> that may be interested along my route. I'll be heading up to Brookings, OR 
> from San Francisco on Sunday or Monday. Then up to Scottsberg, OR (3 hours 
> south of PDX/45 mins from Eugene) on Tuesday. I'll be there for most of the 
> week until I head back home - likely Friday/Saturday. I'd be happy to drive 
> a bit to make someone's journey a bit shorter. If there are no takers I'll 
> consider shipping once I get back home, but my March and April are pretty 
> busy.
>
> Here are the details again:
> 56cm Quickbeam
> Tange Levin headset
> Shimano BB
> Nitto 83 seat post
> 36h Dura-Ace 7600 track hubs (fixed/fixed)
> White Industries 19t freewheel
> 36h Velocity Atlas rims (non-machined)
> 700x38 Panaracer Gravelking EXTs (if you would like them).
>
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:20:48 PM UTC-8 diekaiser wrote:
>
>> Hey all. With regret, I'm selling my Quickbeam. Unfortunately living in a 
>> studio doesn't accommodate owning 4+ bikes and the Quickbeam didn't make 
>> the cut. I'm heading up to SF on March 5th for a birthday roadtrip to 
>> Oregon and will be there for the weekend if you would like to check it out.
>>
>>  I was having a hard time figuring out which size model it is from the 
>> Riv catalogs but it has a 57cm top tube and a 56cm seat tube (I measured 
>> center to center) which I believe puts it at the 58cm model. 
>>
>> Sale includes Frame, fork, headset, bottom bracket, seat post, and wheel 
>> set. Unfortunately, I don't have a spare set of brakes as they are moving 
>> to a different bike along with the crankset. I figured the cockpit would be 
>> purely preferential. With that said, I have a selection of nitto bars if 
>> someone would like to inquire. 
>>
>> I'd say the condition is great as in there are no dents, large scratches, 
>> etc but the decals are a bit scratched up from locking etc. The only other 
>> thing that I didn't know about when I bought it was that the front-left 
>> fender eyelet may be stripped. I'll investigate more closely soon but just 
>> wanted to mention it.
>>
>> *Details*
>> Tange Levin headset
>> Shimano BB (I don't remember the exact width but I believe it is the one 
>> that came stock)
>> Nitto 83 seat post
>> 36h Dura-Ace 7600 track hubs (fixed/fixed)
>> White Industries 19t freewheel
>> 36h Velocity Atlas rims (non-machined)
>> 700x38 Panaracer Gravelking EXTs (if you would like them).
>>
>> $1300, but if that doesn't sound reasonable I'm more than happy to chat 
>> about it.
>>
>> Here are some photos of the different iterations in which it has been set 
>> up 
>> .
>>
>> I'll add some more detail photos to the same link shortly.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Choco bar / brake lever advice?

[Patrick Moore]

I just thought of this practice, which might be of use for others.

I've installed road brake levers on many a "mountain bike" or "tourist"
bar, at the curves, where the large diameter clamp can clamp firmly onto
the curve; case in point, the (O! so exotically rare!) Shimano 600 AX
levers on the MAP/Ahearne bar on the Monocog. Installed as usual on the
curves, precisely placed so that (on this severely cut-down bar; don't
gripe, I like it very much more than it its full width) I can brake from
*every* place which I grasp the bar on -- from tippy-ends to gripping the
brake lever bodies (this last using fingers 4 and 5).

(Aside: Even tho' -- so I read -- these levers have very high MA and very
low cable pull, they work *just fine* with my Road BB7s: pads are
sufficiently far from rotors that there's no drag or even squeak, and the
levers are firm and the braking solid -- helluvalot better than the $350+
Paul Touring/Neo Retro combo on the Matthews 2:1!! Secret: $15 and I'll
tell you.)

On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 8:39 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I've not used the EAI's, but I did use similar levers -- looking at the
> photo in your link, I wouldn't be surprised is those I used were beefier
> and stiffer -- back in the early '90s when some biggish name made these for
> use with bar ends; I used them with Scott AT4 or related mtb bars with the
> "bar ends" part of the bar.
>
> From the straight part of the bar you'd 3-or-4-finger brake with your 3d,
> 4th, and 5th fingers pulling the straight part of the levers, but when you
> were holding the forward extensions you'd use your 4th, and 5th fingers to
> pull on the right-angled extensions. This worked, but only for speed
> modulation; you wouldn't lock the wheels from this position. I mean, they'd
> slow you down well, but not for panic stops.
>
> Still and all, they were helpful, though, since I didn't use them long,
> they probably were not so very helpful that the simplicity and lighter
> weight of regular 2-finger levers weren't overall a better choice.
>
> As for Moustache bars, I can't see the EAI levers being a great help, at
> least if your M-bars are like the very many I've used. IME and IMO, the
> best levers for M-bars are non-aero road bar levers installed somewhere
> along the forward-most arc of the bar, to be reachable from most riding
> positions.
>
> I can't speak to Choco bars, since I've not used them.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 7:42 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any experience with these L-shaped Dia Compe brake
>> levers intended for bullhorn-style handlebars, but perhaps suitable for
>> installation on a choco (or moustache) bars?   Do they work well (provide
>> adequate leverage, easy to reach, enough movement  without bottoming out
>> against the bar)?  Would they work with choco bars?  If so, would they work
>> better installed one direction versus another?  It seems they could be
>> installed with the hinge on the front section, forward of the bend, as
>> easily as at the end.
>>
>>
>> https://www.euroasiaimports.com/productcart/pc/Dia-Compe-DC139-Brake-Lever-p14878.htm
>>
>> I'm trying to replace one of my numerous moustache bars with a choco
>> moose bar - mostly for the sake of variety, but partly because I thought
>> they'd be almost identical with the exception of the primary and secondary
>> grip positions being reversed - but it isn't quite working out that way.
>>
>> Because the choco doesn't bend forward before coming back, and because
>> the fixed "stem" reach is effectively short, my hands want to rest at the
>> curve even in my upright/relaxed body position - so basically like a
>> moustache bar without a leaned-forward, aero, position and with the
>> relaxed/default position being forward of the straight section where a
>> normal brake lever would mount.  (Hope that makes sense)
>>
>> Combined with the fact that it's difficult to even find straight bar
>> brake levers at the moment  I'm wondering if these might work by giving me
>> access to  the brakes from multiple grip locations.  I suppose I could try
>> drop bar levers mounted forward of the curve, but that kind of defeats the
>> point of getting rid of the moustache bar, when I could achieve something
>> similar with a shorter stem.
>>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Choco bar / brake lever advice?

[Patrick Moore]

I've not used the EAI's, but I did use similar levers -- looking at the
photo in your link, I wouldn't be surprised is those I used were beefier
and stiffer -- back in the early '90s when some biggish name made these for
use with bar ends; I used them with Scott AT4 or related mtb bars with the
"bar ends" part of the bar.

>From the straight part of the bar you'd 3-or-4-finger brake with your 3d,
4th, and 5th fingers pulling the straight part of the levers, but when you
were holding the forward extensions you'd use your 4th, and 5th fingers to
pull on the right-angled extensions. This worked, but only for speed
modulation; you wouldn't lock the wheels from this position. I mean, they'd
slow you down well, but not for panic stops.

Still and all, they were helpful, though, since I didn't use them long,
they probably were not so very helpful that the simplicity and lighter
weight of regular 2-finger levers weren't overall a better choice.

As for Moustache bars, I can't see the EAI levers being a great help, at
least if your M-bars are like the very many I've used. IME and IMO, the
best levers for M-bars are non-aero road bar levers installed somewhere
along the forward-most arc of the bar, to be reachable from most riding
positions.

I can't speak to Choco bars, since I've not used them.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 7:42 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with these L-shaped Dia Compe brake levers
> intended for bullhorn-style handlebars, but perhaps suitable for
> installation on a choco (or moustache) bars?   Do they work well (provide
> adequate leverage, easy to reach, enough movement  without bottoming out
> against the bar)?  Would they work with choco bars?  If so, would they work
> better installed one direction versus another?  It seems they could be
> installed with the hinge on the front section, forward of the bend, as
> easily as at the end.
>
>
> https://www.euroasiaimports.com/productcart/pc/Dia-Compe-DC139-Brake-Lever-p14878.htm
>
> I'm trying to replace one of my numerous moustache bars with a choco moose
> bar - mostly for the sake of variety, but partly because I thought they'd
> be almost identical with the exception of the primary and secondary grip
> positions being reversed - but it isn't quite working out that way.
>
> Because the choco doesn't bend forward before coming back, and because the
> fixed "stem" reach is effectively short, my hands want to rest at the curve
> even in my upright/relaxed body position - so basically like a moustache
> bar without a leaned-forward, aero, position and with the relaxed/default
> position being forward of the straight section where a normal brake lever
> would mount.  (Hope that makes sense)
>
> Combined with the fact that it's difficult to even find straight bar brake
> levers at the moment  I'm wondering if these might work by giving me access
> to  the brakes from multiple grip locations.  I suppose I could try drop
> bar levers mounted forward of the curve, but that kind of defeats the point
> of getting rid of the moustache bar, when I could achieve something similar
> with a shorter stem.
>
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[RBW] Choco bar / brake lever advice?

[iamkeith]

Does anyone have any experience with these L-shaped Dia Compe brake levers 
intended for bullhorn-style handlebars, but perhaps suitable for 
installation on a choco (or moustache) bars?   Do they work well (provide 
adequate leverage, easy to reach, enough movement  without bottoming out 
against the bar)?  Would they work with choco bars?  If so, would they work 
better installed one direction versus another?  It seems they could be 
installed with the hinge on the front section, forward of the bend, as 
easily as at the end.

https://www.euroasiaimports.com/productcart/pc/Dia-Compe-DC139-Brake-Lever-p14878.htm

I'm trying to replace one of my numerous moustache bars with a choco moose 
bar - mostly for the sake of variety, but partly because I thought they'd 
be almost identical with the exception of the primary and secondary grip 
positions being reversed - but it isn't quite working out that way.  

Because the choco doesn't bend forward before coming back, and because the 
fixed "stem" reach is effectively short, my hands want to rest at the curve 
even in my upright/relaxed body position - so basically like a moustache 
bar without a leaned-forward, aero, position and with the relaxed/default 
position being forward of the straight section where a normal brake lever 
would mount.  (Hope that makes sense)

Combined with the fact that it's difficult to even find straight bar brake 
levers at the moment  I'm wondering if these might work by giving me access 
to  the brakes from multiple grip locations.  I suppose I could try drop 
bar levers mounted forward of the curve, but that kind of defeats the point 
of getting rid of the moustache bar, when I could achieve something similar 
with a shorter stem.

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[RBW] Re: FS(Bay Area): 58? Quickbeam

[diekaiser]

Hey all, since I'm heading up to Oregon I wanted to open it up to anyone 
that may be interested along my route. I'll be heading up to Brookings, OR 
from San Francisco on Sunday or Monday. Then up to Scottsberg, OR (3 hours 
south of PDX/45 mins from Eugene) on Tuesday. I'll be there for most of the 
week until I head back home - likely Friday/Saturday. I'd be happy to drive 
a bit to make someone's journey a bit shorter. If there are no takers I'll 
consider shipping once I get back home, but my March and April are pretty 
busy.

Here are the details again:
56cm Quickbeam
Tange Levin headset
Shimano BB
Nitto 83 seat post
36h Dura-Ace 7600 track hubs (fixed/fixed)
White Industries 19t freewheel
36h Velocity Atlas rims (non-machined)
700x38 Panaracer Gravelking EXTs (if you would like them).

On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:20:48 PM UTC-8 diekaiser wrote:

> Hey all. With regret, I'm selling my Quickbeam. Unfortunately living in a 
> studio doesn't accommodate owning 4+ bikes and the Quickbeam didn't make 
> the cut. I'm heading up to SF on March 5th for a birthday roadtrip to 
> Oregon and will be there for the weekend if you would like to check it out.
>
>  I was having a hard time figuring out which size model it is from the Riv 
> catalogs but it has a 57cm top tube and a 56cm seat tube (I measured center 
> to center) which I believe puts it at the 58cm model. 
>
> Sale includes Frame, fork, headset, bottom bracket, seat post, and wheel 
> set. Unfortunately, I don't have a spare set of brakes as they are moving 
> to a different bike along with the crankset. I figured the cockpit would be 
> purely preferential. With that said, I have a selection of nitto bars if 
> someone would like to inquire. 
>
> I'd say the condition is great as in there are no dents, large scratches, 
> etc but the decals are a bit scratched up from locking etc. The only other 
> thing that I didn't know about when I bought it was that the front-left 
> fender eyelet may be stripped. I'll investigate more closely soon but just 
> wanted to mention it.
>
> *Details*
> Tange Levin headset
> Shimano BB (I don't remember the exact width but I believe it is the one 
> that came stock)
> Nitto 83 seat post
> 36h Dura-Ace 7600 track hubs (fixed/fixed)
> White Industries 19t freewheel
> 36h Velocity Atlas rims (non-machined)
> 700x38 Panaracer Gravelking EXTs (if you would like them).
>
> $1300, but if that doesn't sound reasonable I'm more than happy to chat 
> about it.
>
> Here are some photos of the different iterations in which it has been set 
> up 
> .
>
> I'll add some more detail photos to the same link shortly.
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H - Holy Hell

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

I did the same to my dedicated one-speeder - a Proteus - with Campagnolo 
dropouts, and it's been going strong for over 30 years that way. I could 
always go back to gears using a bolt-on hanger, but that's not going to 
happen. The Clem may shift again down the road so I kept the option alive, 
and the hanger threads clean, by using the bolt. I often plug unused 
rack/fender eyelets with shorty bolts too, but I try to use the little 
dome-shaped ones if I can find enough of 'em. 

Marty, warming up slowly here in PA. 

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 5:17:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Friend/jtpcopp: First, friends share names. What is your name?
>
> Second: Marty used a bolt to plug the unsightly hole in the derailleur 
> mounting bracket, and further, chose a bolt that more or less matches the 
> allen axle bolts.
>
> Third, I think it's a good plug, but I've gone to extremes on both a 
> custom Riv Road (but one less good than my later ones) and a very nice 
> pre-susp DB mtb by cutting, Dremeling, hacking, grinding, filing, yanking, 
> bending, twisting, pulling, and otherwise removing and destroying the 
> derailleur hanger when I converted the frames to dedicated, 
> never-again-reverted fixed gear use, and I must say, tho' I say it myself, 
> that the results were impressively good.
>
> Patrick Moore, who just had a very nice detoured grocery store ride in 
> 70*F ABQ, NM on the non-Riv clone of a former Riv custom.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 2:45 PM Friend  wrote:
>
>> I don't really understand what's going on here.  Care to explain?
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:28:26 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Marty,
>>> That is a cool setup and on a Clem! The Clems really are do-it-all and 
>>> set up as you like bikes. Happy riding.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:40:29 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 My Clem H enjoys being a single speed lately thanks to a White ENO hub, 
 and a holy hanger was simply unforgivable in my book. After confirming 
 that 
 Problem Solvers discontinued the little filler they once made for such a 
 task (damn them), I reasoned that the little SS bolt for a Wolf Tooth Road 
 Link would do the same thing. As luck would have it I had such a beast - 
 purchased (for no good reason) for a buck at the Gravel & Grind yard sale 
 before they moved to Vermont. What a godsend! Even luckier that Wolf Tooth 
 sells the little devil alone should anyone need to perform the same ritual:

 Devilish Bolt 
 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H - Holy Hell

[Patrick Moore]

Friend/jtpcopp: First, friends share names. What is your name?

Second: Marty used a bolt to plug the unsightly hole in the derailleur
mounting bracket, and further, chose a bolt that more or less matches the
allen axle bolts.

Third, I think it's a good plug, but I've gone to extremes on both a custom
Riv Road (but one less good than my later ones) and a very nice pre-susp DB
mtb by cutting, Dremeling, hacking, grinding, filing, yanking, bending,
twisting, pulling, and otherwise removing and destroying the derailleur
hanger when I converted the frames to dedicated, never-again-reverted fixed
gear use, and I must say, tho' I say it myself, that the results were
impressively good.

Patrick Moore, who just had a very nice detoured grocery store ride in 70*F
ABQ, NM on the non-Riv clone of a former Riv custom.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 2:45 PM Friend  wrote:

> I don't really understand what's going on here.  Care to explain?
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:28:26 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Marty,
>> That is a cool setup and on a Clem! The Clems really are do-it-all and
>> set up as you like bikes. Happy riding.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:40:29 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke,
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> My Clem H enjoys being a single speed lately thanks to a White ENO hub,
>>> and a holy hanger was simply unforgivable in my book. After confirming that
>>> Problem Solvers discontinued the little filler they once made for such a
>>> task (damn them), I reasoned that the little SS bolt for a Wolf Tooth Road
>>> Link would do the same thing. As luck would have it I had such a beast -
>>> purchased (for no good reason) for a buck at the Gravel & Grind yard sale
>>> before they moved to Vermont. What a godsend! Even luckier that Wolf Tooth
>>> sells the little devil alone should anyone need to perform the same ritual:
>>>
>>> Devilish Bolt
>>> 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: B17 imperial (cutout) pr B68 Imperial, cross post

[J S]

While set up on rollers with a fork mount my B17 seems to get me numb.  I 
know I can get a new one at a decent price but thought I would try here. 

Thanks

Joel

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[RBW] Re: Clem H - Holy Hell

[Friend]

I don't really understand what's going on here.  Care to explain?

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:28:26 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Marty,
> That is a cool setup and on a Clem! The Clems really are do-it-all and set 
> up as you like bikes. Happy riding.
> Doug
>
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:40:29 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> My Clem H enjoys being a single speed lately thanks to a White ENO hub, 
>> and a holy hanger was simply unforgivable in my book. After confirming that 
>> Problem Solvers discontinued the little filler they once made for such a 
>> task (damn them), I reasoned that the little SS bolt for a Wolf Tooth Road 
>> Link would do the same thing. As luck would have it I had such a beast - 
>> purchased (for no good reason) for a buck at the Gravel & Grind yard sale 
>> before they moved to Vermont. What a godsend! Even luckier that Wolf Tooth 
>> sells the little devil alone should anyone need to perform the same ritual:
>>
>> Devilish Bolt 
>> 
>>
>> So here's my unholy hanger now. in all its glory:
>>
>> [image: PXL_20220228_211059301.MP.jpg] 
>>
>> Lots more holes to fill as you can see.The Clem has an ungodly number of 
>> 'em. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA beausage, mending

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I think *I* am in love with that shirt. The red thread is such a nice 
touch. Here’s to the next 10 years with it, Alex!

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 10:18:31 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:

> My railroad shirt buttons self-destructed after my wife sent this shirt to 
> the dryer by accident.  I took it to my tailor who put on new buttons 
> (switched to black with red thread) and put on two denim elbow patches. I 
> had blown out the elbow on one side sometime last year and kept wearing it 
> as work shirt.
>
> It's fantastic and I've fallen in love all over again.  Looking forward to 
> another ten years of enjoying this shirt 😍
>
> [image: IMG-0102.jpg]
> [image: IMG-0103.jpg]
>

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[RBW] WTB 59cm Atlantis

[Coco Menk]

Almost had one but owner backed out at the last minute - was originally 
thinking 62 cm for my bf because he is quite tall, but he's now saying he 
would prefer the 59. Looking for the newer geo please! :)

Coco

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Re: [RBW] How do you track mileage?

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Joe and all!

I just use a standard GPS bike computer and have it set to auto-load it 
to both Strava and RIdeWithGPS.


I do al kinda of riding on all kinds of bikes; Rivendell cruising, 
gravel rides, club road rides, commuting and utilitarian riding. My 
carbon gravel/road bike has a power meter, speed sensor, and cadence 
sensor. Plus, I will wear a heart rate monitor. I don't live and die by 
these numbers, but the Garmin keeps track and lets me know how my 
fitness is holding up. I don't need those sensors when I ride my other 
bikes, though, and the Garmin just does fine on GPS alone. Plus, I'm a 
map nerd and I love having everythign available without having to get my 
phone out.


I know the Riv ethos and GPS computers are sometimes at odds. I've heard 
of plenty of people who start the ride on their computer and just toss 
it in their handlebar bag. It's just collecting the data for later use.


My Garmin has "profiles" I can customize like road, mountain, gravel, 
rando, commuting, etc. The main screen of my commuting profile is just 
map, speed, and distance. When I want to have a worry free ride, I don't 
need to see any performance data. It's pretty nice. When I do a quick 
pre-work, morning ride for exercise, I can see heart rate and power and 
make sure I push myself the right about in the short time available.


Anyway, Joe, if you ever want to do a ride around our neighborhood, talk 
music gear, bikes, and GPS computers, let me know. I think Ron Frazell 
and Hugh Smitham? are close-ish too? L.A. Riv List meetup?


Ben


On 3/1/2022 1:13 PM, Joe Mullins wrote:

? I’m curious what methods people are using.

I’ve occasionally tracked with a GPS watch only to never look back at the data, 
let alone tally up a cumulative mileage count. I mostly ride without tracking 
as it makes it less about the stats and more about the ride. But it would be 
fun to know how much I rode in a year, over the course of owning a bike, etc. I 
wish I knew how many miles are on the first Brooks saddle that I bought 15 or 
so years ago.

I was inspired by Pam’s post about 63,000 miles on a bike and Rapid Rise RD. 
How did you come up with that number?! How does everyone else who keeps track 
keep track?

Joe M.
Los Angeles


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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[MoVelo]

I use Ride with GPS on my iPhone. It keeps track of yearly mileage and all 
the other stats, pauses when I pause and can run it the background whilst I 
surf other apps. 

Also there is a pretty big library of rides from others who have shared 
with the app.

Remembering to turn it on at the beginning of a ride is my biggest 
challenge. 

JP

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 10:04:49 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> GPS mapping software is smart enough to understand a brief break for 
> tunnels. Bridges & underpasses are not a problem as there are multiple 
> satellites feeding the data all the way across the horizon so you may lose 
> a more overhead signal but not one coming at you from in front or behind. 
> As for accuracy, I'm not sure how much closer you want than the typical 16' 
> which the standard GPS receivers like your phone or Garmin deliver? Since 
> you're traveling rather than static you are giving the mapping software 
> flowing data points to extrapolate against for better accuracy than 
> standing still too.
>
> There's no way a cycle computer could be calibrated that accurately & the 
> margin of error will increase with the mileage.
>
> I use Strava combined with a Wahoo Tickr wrist strap as I like to be mix 
> up my HR efforts & I tend to ride too hard. I don't slavishly follow the 
> data but Strave lets you input which bike you rode that day which is a 
> great way of keeping overall mileage records.
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 9:46:12 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Reading through the blog post makes me wonder if anyone has ridden a bike 
>> with a carefully calibrated cycle odometer - maybe using the "roll out" 
>> method to determine accuracy - along with one of these GPS units to see how 
>> accurate the GPS really is.  Seems like riding through areas where the sky 
>> is blocked temporarily by tall buildings, underpasses, heavy forestation, 
>> etc. would have to have some effect on overall mileage tracked.  Plus, the 
>> run-of-the-mill GPS units that individuals can use, be it a specific device 
>> (Garmin) or a cell phone,  aren't as accurate to begin with as the high 
>> quality equipment that people like surveyors use.
>>
>> Just curious.  I have a friend who will be riding in the Great Cycle 
>> Challenge, a fundraiser for the Children's Cancer Research Fund, again this 
>> year and I've carefully calibrated her cycle computer - which I'm not even 
>> sure she's used - so she can compare the results with the GPS info that the 
>> fundraiser uses to track participant's mileage.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:38:52 AM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> I use a Sigma BC 12.12 Bike Computer, wired, and read it into a 
>>> spreadsheet with the Sigma DataCenter program.
>>> I bought a bunch of them years ago and calibrate them for each bike on 
>>> the trail I ride.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Clem L complete

[scott minor]

Still have the Clem!   

Also open to parting out to make frame/fork/headset/bottom bracket/ seat 
post available as well! 

Offers welcome!  

psco...@gmail.com 


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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[Philip Barrett]

GPS mapping software is smart enough to understand a brief break for 
tunnels. Bridges & underpasses are not a problem as there are multiple 
satellites feeding the data all the way across the horizon so you may lose 
a more overhead signal but not one coming at you from in front or behind. 
As for accuracy, I'm not sure how much closer you want than the typical 16' 
which the standard GPS receivers like your phone or Garmin deliver? Since 
you're traveling rather than static you are giving the mapping software 
flowing data points to extrapolate against for better accuracy than 
standing still too.

There's no way a cycle computer could be calibrated that accurately & the 
margin of error will increase with the mileage.

I use Strava combined with a Wahoo Tickr wrist strap as I like to be mix up 
my HR efforts & I tend to ride too hard. I don't slavishly follow the data 
but Strave lets you input which bike you rode that day which is a great way 
of keeping overall mileage records.




On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 9:46:12 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> Reading through the blog post makes me wonder if anyone has ridden a bike 
> with a carefully calibrated cycle odometer - maybe using the "roll out" 
> method to determine accuracy - along with one of these GPS units to see how 
> accurate the GPS really is.  Seems like riding through areas where the sky 
> is blocked temporarily by tall buildings, underpasses, heavy forestation, 
> etc. would have to have some effect on overall mileage tracked.  Plus, the 
> run-of-the-mill GPS units that individuals can use, be it a specific device 
> (Garmin) or a cell phone,  aren't as accurate to begin with as the high 
> quality equipment that people like surveyors use.
>
> Just curious.  I have a friend who will be riding in the Great Cycle 
> Challenge, a fundraiser for the Children's Cancer Research Fund, again this 
> year and I've carefully calibrated her cycle computer - which I'm not even 
> sure she's used - so she can compare the results with the GPS info that the 
> fundraiser uses to track participant's mileage.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:38:52 AM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I use a Sigma BC 12.12 Bike Computer, wired, and read it into a 
>> spreadsheet with the Sigma DataCenter program.
>> I bought a bunch of them years ago and calibrate them for each bike on 
>> the trail I ride.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[George Schick]

Reading through the blog post makes me wonder if anyone has ridden a bike 
with a carefully calibrated cycle odometer - maybe using the "roll out" 
method to determine accuracy - along with one of these GPS units to see how 
accurate the GPS really is.  Seems like riding through areas where the sky 
is blocked temporarily by tall buildings, underpasses, heavy forestation, 
etc. would have to have some effect on overall mileage tracked.  Plus, the 
run-of-the-mill GPS units that individuals can use, be it a specific device 
(Garmin) or a cell phone,  aren't as accurate to begin with as the high 
quality equipment that people like surveyors use.

Just curious.  I have a friend who will be riding in the Great Cycle 
Challenge, a fundraiser for the Children's Cancer Research Fund, again this 
year and I've carefully calibrated her cycle computer - which I'm not even 
sure she's used - so she can compare the results with the GPS info that the 
fundraiser uses to track participant's mileage.


On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:38:52 AM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:

> I use a Sigma BC 12.12 Bike Computer, wired, and read it into a 
> spreadsheet with the Sigma DataCenter program.
> I bought a bunch of them years ago and calibrate them for each bike on the 
> trail I ride.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shellacing the Neubaums

[Joe Mullins]

The Ultradynamico tires are nice. They are very comfortable and the bike feels 
great (and fast) with them. I’m running the Rose up front which holds fine on 
the loose dirt around here. On pavement it rolls fine with a bit of a whirring 
sound that’s not as distracting as full on knobbies but also not silent. I have 
a Cava in the back which is way too loose on the trails we have around here. 
Makes me ride much safer yet also makes me want to practice my drifting skills. 
With Mini-Motos it’s WAY to easy to skid. 

I have them setup tubeless since they have zero puncture protection and I live 
in Los Angeles where the streets (and trails) are sadly always covered in 
broken glass. My next set of tires will definitely be something cheaper and 
more durable mainly for peace of mind. With Pasela’s I don’t even bother 
swerving around glass! These were fun to try though!

Joe in Los Angeles

> 
> On Mar 2, 2022, at 5:44 AM, JohnS  wrote:
> 
> Nice looking mounting of the basket to the Nitto rack. How do you like the 
> UltraDynamico tires?
> 
> My plan is to cut down the Wald struts and use a couple angle brackets along 
> with aluminum bar stock to make a "rasket". Finding a long strut to go from 
> the fork to the rasket isn't going well. Riv has a rear one which I may use 
> or I may fabricate one out of the bar stock for the time being.
> 
> John 
> 
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 6:59:42 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Here’s how mines mounted! I’m sure you’ve got plenty of left over twine!
>> 
>> I think I wrapped a little between the rack and basket to minimize the 
>> clankiness. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Mar 1, 2022, at 9:51 AM, JohnS  wrote:
 
>>> Thank you for the advice of using lighter coats, that should help prevent 
>>> runs and drips. I put two coats on this time, so should be good for a 
>>> while. Now onto mounting the Wald basket, always something.
>> 
>>> 
>>> JohnS
>>> 
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 11:59:16 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
> JohnS: It sounds like you have too much shellac in your brush. Submerge 
> the bristles of your brush only about a half inch and then lay off the 
> brush by wiping the end of the bristles on the underside of the rim of 
> the can. You only need enough to get a single even coat. Shellac dries 
> quickly, it won't be long until you're ready for the next application. 
> 
> As Jstern mentions denatured alcohol is great for cleaning up any shellac 
> that ended up where you don't want it. Just dab a bit onto a rag and then 
> wipe the rag over your trouble area. 
> 
> I don't cover the bike, sometimes I'll mask my bar end shifter pods with 
> blue painter's tape but I usually don't bother. 
> 
> I haven't had any trouble handling the shellac, no issues with runs or 
> drips. I use a 1" wide chip brush and always lay off my brush on the 
> inside edge of the can. I clean my brush with denatured alcohol and have 
> used the same cheap brush for many shellac applications over the last 
> several years. 
> 
> Be warned! Shellac can and does go bad. I pulled an old can of amber 
> shellac out of our warehouse for my handlebars once. It never dried and 
> was still tacky and goopy days later. I removed it with denatured 
> alcohol. Better your bars than a furniture project! 
> 
> It depends on the project but I typically like three coats of shellac. 
>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 11:41:55 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>> I never do loads of coats. I like just enough to provide some protection 
>> and keep the twine in place.  Usually just one coat honestly. I never 
>> cover anything. I am a rebel.
>> 
>>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 9:25:20 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> I always apply in very light coats. I end up using 6 or so coats.  Like 
>>> you I cover the front of the bike.  I use plastic drop cloths and 
>>> lasting tape.  Alcohol, denatured Alcohol can take the shellac off of 
>>> the places you do not want it. 
>>> 
 On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 5:23:28 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
 Wrapped the Soma Oxfords (Albatross copy) on my '82 Stumpy today. 
 Shellac is very runny and just wants to go everywhere, I tried to mask 
 the front end of the bike and tipped it in the stand to keep from 
 going where it shouldn't. You really can't be too careful with it.
 
 JohnS
 
 
 
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[RBW] WTB - Oracle Ridge or Antelope Hill

[Adam]

This warm streak in the midwest has me fantasizing about taking off my 
studded winter tires and cutting loose.

I'm looking to try something other than my current 2.1 Thunderburt's, which 
are a little sketchy-tight under my fenders.

If anyone has a used set of Oracle Ridge or Antelope Hill tires (ideally 
ELs in tanwall) let me know. I'm up for something very used, if that's what 
you have. I'd like to play around with options for a bit before deciding on 
something.

I'd also try Cazadero 50s if anyone has those around.

Thanks!

Adam

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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[aeroperf]

I use a Sigma BC 12.12 Bike Computer, wired, and read it into a spreadsheet 
with the Sigma DataCenter program.
I bought a bunch of them years ago and calibrate them for each bike on the 
trail I ride.

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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[Marc Irwin]

Why bother?  I ride my bike, enjoy the ride, that's it.

Marc

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:13:11 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> How is everyone keeping track of mileage on your bikes? I’m curious what 
> methods people are using. 
>
> I’ve occasionally tracked with a GPS watch only to never look back at the 
> data, let alone tally up a cumulative mileage count. I mostly ride without 
> tracking as it makes it less about the stats and more about the ride. But 
> it would be fun to know how much I rode in a year, over the course of 
> owning a bike, etc. I wish I knew how many miles are on the first Brooks 
> saddle that I bought 15 or so years ago. 
>
> I was inspired by Pam’s post about 63,000 miles on a bike and Rapid Rise 
> RD. How did you come up with that number?! How does everyone else who keeps 
> track keep track?
>
> Joe M. 
> Los Angeles
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shellacing the Neubaums

[JohnS]

Nice looking mounting of the basket to the Nitto rack. How do you like the 
UltraDynamico tires?

My plan is to cut down the Wald struts and use a couple angle brackets 
along with aluminum bar stock to make a "rasket". Finding a long strut to 
go from the fork to the rasket isn't going well. Riv has a rear one which I 
may use or I may fabricate one out of the bar stock for the time being.

John 

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 6:59:42 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here’s how mines mounted! I’m sure you’ve got plenty of left over twine!
>
> I think I wrapped a little between the rack and basket to minimize the 
> clankiness. 
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2022, at 9:51 AM, JohnS  wrote:
>
> Thank you for the advice of using lighter coats, that should help prevent 
> runs and drips. I put two coats on this time, so should be good for a 
> while. Now onto mounting the Wald basket, always something.
>
>
> JohnS
>
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 11:59:16 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> JohnS: It sounds like you have too much shellac in your brush. Submerge 
>> the bristles of your brush only about a half inch and then lay off the 
>> brush by wiping the end of the bristles on the underside of the rim of the 
>> can. You only need enough to get a single even coat. Shellac dries quickly, 
>> it won't be long until you're ready for the next application. 
>>
>> As Jstern mentions denatured alcohol is great for cleaning up any shellac 
>> that ended up where you don't want it. Just dab a bit onto a rag and then 
>> wipe the rag over your trouble area. 
>>
>> I don't cover the bike, sometimes I'll mask my bar end shifter pods with 
>> blue painter's tape but I usually don't bother. 
>>
>> I haven't had any trouble handling the shellac, no issues with runs or 
>> drips. I use a 1" wide chip brush and always lay off my brush on the inside 
>> edge of the can. I clean my brush with denatured alcohol and have used the 
>> same cheap brush for many shellac applications over the last several years. 
>>
>> Be warned! Shellac can and does go bad. I pulled an old can of amber 
>> shellac out of our warehouse for my handlebars once. It never dried and was 
>> still tacky and goopy days later. I removed it with denatured alcohol. 
>> Better your bars than a furniture project! 
>>
>> It depends on the project but I typically like three coats of shellac. 
>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 11:41:55 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I never do loads of coats. I like just enough to provide some protection 
>>> and keep the twine in place.  Usually just one coat honestly. I never cover 
>>> anything. I am a rebel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 9:25:20 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I always apply in very light coats. I end up using 6 or so coats.  Like 
 you I cover the front of the bike.  I use plastic drop cloths and lasting 
 tape.  Alcohol, denatured Alcohol can take the shellac off of the places 
 you do not want it. 

 On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 5:23:28 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Wrapped the Soma Oxfords (Albatross copy) on my '82 Stumpy today. 
> Shellac is very runny and just wants to go everywhere, I tried to mask 
> the 
> front end of the bike and tipped it in the stand to keep from going where 
> it shouldn't. You really can't be too careful with it.
>
> JohnS
>
> [image: WIN_20220227_16_50_20_Pro.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Clem H - Holy Hell

[Doug H.]

Marty,
That is a cool setup and on a Clem! The Clems really are do-it-all and set 
up as you like bikes. Happy riding.
Doug

On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:40:29 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> My Clem H enjoys being a single speed lately thanks to a White ENO hub, 
> and a holy hanger was simply unforgivable in my book. After confirming that 
> Problem Solvers discontinued the little filler they once made for such a 
> task (damn them), I reasoned that the little SS bolt for a Wolf Tooth Road 
> Link would do the same thing. As luck would have it I had such a beast - 
> purchased (for no good reason) for a buck at the Gravel & Grind yard sale 
> before they moved to Vermont. What a godsend! Even luckier that Wolf Tooth 
> sells the little devil alone should anyone need to perform the same ritual:
>
> Devilish Bolt 
> 
>
> So here's my unholy hanger now. in all its glory:
>
> [image: PXL_20220228_211059301.MP.jpg] 
>
> Lots more holes to fill as you can see.The Clem has an ungodly number of 
> 'em. 
>
> Marty
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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[EricP]

Another vote for a basic wired Cateye. Started using them in college and 
never felt the need to change. Have a journal where I write down the 
mileage at the end of each year and to add any important notes.

Also, I don't ride enough to really justify anything more. And I enjoy not 
having my cell phone easily at hand while riding. It's kept in a pouch in a 
bag on the bike. Either handlebar bag or a kangaroo pouch on a Sackville.

All this reminds me that I need to swap out batteries for this year's 
riding season.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN 


On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 5:09:34 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:

> I still use a wired Catyeye Mity 2 on my previous highest mileage bike. 
> I've never found myself drawn to the vanity of mileage because I can attest 
> to both the really ugly miles I managed to crank through that have no 
> comparison to those beautiful many that have passed beneath me by the tens 
> like a dream. Most of my on-bike metrics are for navigation and 
> timing purposes on current or future rides but only I know the quality of 
> the units of my rides. Even if I did track climbing in data units, only I 
> can attest to the subjective experiences' duration of effort and sense of 
> accomplishment provided.
>
> I've nominally been caught up in hindsight data lust in the past but never 
> enough to spend on data collecting devices, apps or sites. I don't have so 
> many bikes that maintenance needs are daunting and the conditions I ride 
> through over the course of the seasons here dictate services or 
> replacements way more so than mileage so I use my eyeballs and various TMDE 
> to assess for maintenance needs or replacements. It would be grievous (I've 
> proven it in the past) to rely on mileage for my bikes. 
>
> I like riding my bike more than you do. Strava that.
>
> Andy Cheatham 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:13:11 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> How is everyone keeping track of mileage on your bikes? I’m curious what 
>> methods people are using. 
>>
>> I’ve occasionally tracked with a GPS watch only to never look back at the 
>> data, let alone tally up a cumulative mileage count. I mostly ride without 
>> tracking as it makes it less about the stats and more about the ride. But 
>> it would be fun to know how much I rode in a year, over the course of 
>> owning a bike, etc. I wish I knew how many miles are on the first Brooks 
>> saddle that I bought 15 or so years ago. 
>>
>> I was inspired by Pam’s post about 63,000 miles on a bike and Rapid Rise 
>> RD. How did you come up with that number?! How does everyone else who keeps 
>> track keep track? 
>>
>> Joe M. 
>> Los Angeles 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[ascpgh]

I still use a wired Catyeye Mity 2 on my previous highest mileage bike. 
I've never found myself drawn to the vanity of mileage because I can attest 
to both the really ugly miles I managed to crank through that have no 
comparison to those beautiful many that have passed beneath me by the tens 
like a dream. Most of my on-bike metrics are for navigation and 
timing purposes on current or future rides but only I know the quality of 
the units of my rides. Even if I did track climbing in data units, only I 
can attest to the subjective experiences' duration of effort and sense of 
accomplishment provided.

I've nominally been caught up in hindsight data lust in the past but never 
enough to spend on data collecting devices, apps or sites. I don't have so 
many bikes that maintenance needs are daunting and the conditions I ride 
through over the course of the seasons here dictate services or 
replacements way more so than mileage so I use my eyeballs and various TMDE 
to assess for maintenance needs or replacements. It would be grievous (I've 
proven it in the past) to rely on mileage for my bikes. 

I like riding my bike more than you do. Strava that.

Andy Cheatham 



On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:13:11 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> How is everyone keeping track of mileage on your bikes? I’m curious what 
> methods people are using. 
>
> I’ve occasionally tracked with a GPS watch only to never look back at the 
> data, let alone tally up a cumulative mileage count. I mostly ride without 
> tracking as it makes it less about the stats and more about the ride. But 
> it would be fun to know how much I rode in a year, over the course of 
> owning a bike, etc. I wish I knew how many miles are on the first Brooks 
> saddle that I bought 15 or so years ago. 
>
> I was inspired by Pam’s post about 63,000 miles on a bike and Rapid Rise 
> RD. How did you come up with that number?! How does everyone else who keeps 
> track keep track?
>
> Joe M. 
> Los Angeles
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[Fullylugged]

I use a Lezyne GPS which can upload automatically to a service like Strava. 
I also upload mine to Ride With GPS which I like better, and log the data 
at www.Bikejournal.com  BikeJournal lets me set up tires and chains with 
reminders of service due based on mileage. it easily displays your data by 
bike.  I had a couple of Garmin GPS units, but they died quickly and Garmin 
service is not good. Lezyne is less expensive and is still going.  Bryton 
is another brand of value priced GPS.   A GPS unit will go longer on a 
battery charge than using a cell phone app. 

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 12:32:22 AM UTC-6 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> I have a Garmin Edge 810 and quarter turn Garmin mounts for each of my 
> bikes (about $6/ea). I move the Edge from bike to bike - it has an option 
> to tag which bike you've mounted it on - and use it as an overpriced cycle 
> computer while it's on the bike. It records the ride reliably with three 
> button presses (one at start, one at end, one to say "yes, I want to 
> save.") The Edge 810 has Bluetooth (which I usually leave off) so once in a 
> while I turn that on and it automagically syncs data to my Garmin account 
> via an app on my phone. I set up my Garmin account to mirror the data to my 
> ridewithgps and Strava accounts, and use tools at those sites to analyze 
> the rides.
>
> --Ed C.
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:13:11 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> How is everyone keeping track of mileage on your bikes? I’m curious what 
>> methods people are using. 
>>
>> I’ve occasionally tracked with a GPS watch only to never look back at the 
>> data, let alone tally up a cumulative mileage count. I mostly ride without 
>> tracking as it makes it less about the stats and more about the ride. But 
>> it would be fun to know how much I rode in a year, over the course of 
>> owning a bike, etc. I wish I knew how many miles are on the first Brooks 
>> saddle that I bought 15 or so years ago. 
>>
>> I was inspired by Pam’s post about 63,000 miles on a bike and Rapid Rise 
>> RD. How did you come up with that number?! How does everyone else who keeps 
>> track keep track? 
>>
>> Joe M. 
>> Los Angeles 
>>
>>
>>

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