[RBW] Re: Single speed cogs - yours for free ( you pay USPS small flat rate box)

[stoker]

Cogs have been claimed! Thanks 

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:24:41 PM UTC-6 stoker wrote:

> Single speed cogs - yours for the asking, you pay 9.45 USPS flat rate 
> shipping.
>
> 20 tooth splined cog
> 17 tooth fixed/threaded cog
> 16 tooth freewheel/threaded cog 
>
> This will effectively end my single speed career ;-)
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

[Drw]

Just to close this loop, I bought an Acera derailler (surprisingly nice), 
popped it on and it works perfectly. Didn't even really need to adjust 
anything other than the limit screws. If anyone wants an LX rapid rise in 
good shape, let me know. 

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 7:09:19 AM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Just don't index.  I'm using the RR and the bar end shifters - both on 
> friction.  Never needs adjusting.  You adjust it each time you shift  - 
> just like an old radio dial.  My RR is one of my only original parts on my 
> bike 63,000 miles in.
>
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:
>
>> Thanks all, 
>> Yes, the shifters do friction and that's how it's being used now. Seems 
>> to hold the gears fine in friction. 
>> Follow up question. Is ALL shimano 9 speed the same? Road/MTN? Thinking I 
>> may just pick up a 9 speed altus if the tinkering doesnt pan out. 
>>
>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 5:37:42 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> As a matter of fact, derailleur cables do not stretch. The forces 
>>> involved in shifting are many orders of magnitude lower than the yield 
>>> stress required to stretch the cable. What actually happens is that inside 
>>> liner of the cable housing wears and causes the cable to become looser. 
>>> Generally, a half turn out of the cable tension adjuster will compensate 
>>> for this.
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> On a new bike yes, the cable has probably stretched. If you're not 
>>> familiar with fiddling with indexing I'll try a short explainer. 
>>>
>>> If you have the older style Deore there will be a cable adjuster on the 
>>> derailer where the housing ends. Put your bike in the middle cog (5th gear 
>>> on a 9-speed). Is the pulley directly under that cog? You can turn the 
>>> adjuster counterclockwise to move it leftward, towards the bigger cogs; 
>>> clockwise to move right, closer to the smaller cogs. Shift up and down the 
>>> cassette, you'll probably need to do this a few times until the indexing is 
>>> correct.
>>>
>>> If it's a newer Deore without the adjuster on the derailer you can use 
>>> the one at the shifter. Which I find super annoying so I don't buy those 
>>> kind so I don't know which way to turn it, but you'll figure it out after a 
>>> few turns this way and that. Good luck! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:59:34 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my 
 Clem with a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw  wrote:

 Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from 
 rivendell got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I 
 can't for the life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the 
 derailler is the problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull 
 deraillers, so im wondering if i'm missing something.


 *Components:*
 Rivendell Platypus 
 Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
 Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)


 *Specific symptoms:*
 -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
 jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 

 Any thoughts would be appreciated,
 Drew. LA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikepacking Bags - Riv style

[Collin A]

Alright, the mini-panniers are sold, the other two bags are still up for 
grabs:

*Swift Zeitgeist Campandgoslow Edition* - Used for more beach/Picnicpacking 
trips where it either contained the beer, the chairs, or the lunches. It 
was a limited edition run with the orange cordura and the pretty cool patch 
and the rattlesnake trim, and MUSA (which apparently is no longer the case 
with swift industries :/).* Asking $200 + shipping*

*Porcelain Rocket meanwhile 137 basketpacking bag*, coyote color - 
Waterproof Made in Canada basket bag that perfectly fits a wald 137. It has 
a bit of wear on the bottom of the bag and back, but the material is very 
abrasion proof so the photos make it worse that what it looks like. Its 
currently made by Rockgeist, but appears out of stock. *Asking $80 shipped.*


On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 5:14:42 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I'm continuing a purge of my storage closet, and have some camping bags 
> that I haven't used in a bit that could use a new home as well. 
>
> Photos here (along with the hilibike parts on my other post):
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Xa3dF6DW7xUBm9Rj9
>
> *Framework Design Mini Panniers, navy* - These are a lovely and soft 
> cotton/waxed canvas pair of mini panniers from a bag maker in Australia. 
> Used for a couple S240s, but the packing setup has changed. They look great 
> in person and would complement a nice Rivendell frame exquisitely well. It 
> mounts to any 3-pack-style mounts on frames, forks, or racks. *Asking 
> $100 + shipping*
>
> *Swift Zeitgeist Campandgoslow Edition* - Used for more 
> beach/Picnicpacking trips where it either contained the beer, the chairs, 
> or the lunches. It was a limited edition run with the orange cordura and 
> the pretty cool patch and the rattlesnake trim, and MUSA (which apparently 
> is no longer the case with swift industries :/).* Asking $200 + shipping*
>
> *Porcelain Rocket meanwhile 137 basketpacking bag*, coyote color - 
> Waterproof Made in Canada basket bag that perfectly fits a wald 137. It has 
> a bit of wear on the bottom of the bag and back, but the material is very 
> abrasion proof so the photos make it worse that what it looks like. Its 
> currently made by Rockgeist, but appears out of stock. *Asking $80 
> shipped.*
>
> Cheers all,
> Collin in Sactown
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Hilibike parts, Deore & XTR

[Collin A]

They are indeed. As for updates, see below:

   - The cranks will definitely be sold pending payment, there are about 5 
   people who have replied to me
   - The saddle and Bar Tape are sold, pending payment

The hubs and the brakes are still available.

Collin


On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 4:39:24 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dang those hubs are sweet.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:57 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>
> Bump...and some updates 
>
>
>- I was able to locate the skewers for the XTR hubs, but the front was 
>used and has a couple scratches (I added some photos, along) :/
>- Deore brakes are pending maybe?
>
> Added the following:
>
>- *Gilles Berthoud Natural/Tan Soulor *- the racing one with stainless 
>rails. It is used for maybe 300 miles and shows it in the visual 
> appearance 
>of the saddle, but the leather is still stiff an unbroken for a future 
>rider. *Asking $150+shipping*
>- *Rivendell SILV3R Cranks, 173 length -* Another OEM part from my 
>Clem, with some rub marks along the arms and a bit of dust/grease in 
> harder 
>to reach spots, but still great and wonderful looking cranks. *Asking 
>$100+Shipping*
>- *Maware Leather Tape, Tan** - *Good color option for the saddle 
>above, and used on the same bike for the same duration. There is some 
>discoloration, which I tried to photograph the worst of it. Length is 
>unmeasured, but I was able to wrap 48cm crust shaka bars with it (example 
>photo in the link), and I can supply the end plugs as well if desired. 
>These:  Maware Leather Handlebar tape – Rene Herse Cycles 
>
> .
>  
>*Asking $40+shipping*
>
> I left shipping as a variable as that seems to be highly variable right 
> now as well. In general, it will be USPS and insured, and most will end up 
> in a flat rate box. Also, if these prices seem ridiculous let me know, 
> given the current state of shortages, demand, etc. I have no idea what is a 
> reasonable/fair price anymore...
>
> Cheers,
> Collin
>
> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:23:03 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have some parts in my parts bin that hit my criteria of "I haven't used 
>> them in 2 years, so time to get rid of them." If i didn't live in an 
>> apartment without a garage, I'm sure that criteria would change, but as it 
>> is, space is limited.
>>
>> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Xa3dF6DW7xUBm9Rj9
>>
>> Anywho, I have the following:
>> Deore V brakes, "silver" one bike's worth: OEM from my 2017 Clem H, a bit 
>> dusty but overall great working condition. Comes with the mounting bolts, 
>> noodles, and little cable protectors. They work great, but I have since 
>> switched to cantis on my Rivendell -* Asking $30 + shipping*
>>
>> XTR M960 Hubs, NOS, 32h: Unused and unlaced, and would make an excellent 
>> heart to a pair of hillibike wheels. They are a dark silver, almost 
>> gunmetal-type color that would provide a good balance to the vibrant colors 
>> Riv uses. 8/9/10 speed freehub, but you can use 11 spd mtn cassettes and 
>> the higher range 11 speed road cassettes on here as well. 100QR front and 
>> 135 QR rear, 450g for the set - *Asking $160+ shipping.*
>>
>> Enjoy the weekend,
>> Collin "what is rain" in Sacramento, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Holding only the ends of the handlebars

[Joe Mullins]

Gotta try Uncle Ronnie’s Ortho Bars! I just got a mis-centered set from kind 
member here on the forum. Have yet to mount them as I’m waiting for a Gus to 
put them on. But mocking them up next to my Albatross bars they seem like a 
real win!

Joe in Los Angeles

> On Mar 6, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Michael Morrissey  
> wrote:
> 
> I have an Appaloosa with the Rivendell Bullmoose bars on it now. While 
> riding, I often find myself holding the ends of the bars, as if the ends of 
> the bars have bar-ends, or as if I am holding a stick shift of a car sideways.
> 
> These are the third bars I have had on this Rivendell. I had Albatross bars 
> on at first, but wanted something wider. I put on a flat mountain bike bar 
> for a while but it was too low. 
> 
> Now, I'm wondering - do I secretly want high-and-close drop bars? Am I 
> craving some sort of dirt drop bar?
> 
> I'm thinking maybe I want wider bars (like those Tumbleweed Persuader bars) - 
> but I also live in the city and do have to weave through traffic a lot. 
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
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[RBW] Holding only the ends of the handlebars

[Michael Morrissey]

I have an Appaloosa with the Rivendell Bullmoose bars on it now. While 
riding, I often find myself holding the ends of the bars, as if the ends of 
the bars have bar-ends, or as if I am holding a stick shift of a car 
sideways.

These are the third bars I have had on this Rivendell. I had Albatross bars 
on at first, but wanted something wider. I put on a flat mountain bike bar 
for a while but it was too low. 

Now, I'm wondering - do I secretly want high-and-close drop bars? Am I 
craving some sort of dirt drop bar?

I'm thinking maybe I want wider bars (like those Tumbleweed Persuader bars) 
- but I also live in the city and do have to weave through traffic a lot. 

Thoughts?

Michael


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[RBW] FS: Bikepacking Bags - Riv style

[Collin A]

Folks,

I'm continuing a purge of my storage closet, and have some camping bags 
that I haven't used in a bit that could use a new home as well. 

Photos here (along with the hilibike parts on my other post):
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Xa3dF6DW7xUBm9Rj9

*Framework Design Mini Panniers, navy* - These are a lovely and soft 
cotton/waxed canvas pair of mini panniers from a bag maker in Australia. 
Used for a couple S240s, but the packing setup has changed. They look great 
in person and would complement a nice Rivendell frame exquisitely well. It 
mounts to any 3-pack-style mounts on frames, forks, or racks. *Asking $100 
+ shipping*

*Swift Zeitgeist Campandgoslow Edition* - Used for more beach/Picnicpacking 
trips where it either contained the beer, the chairs, or the lunches. It 
was a limited edition run with the orange cordura and the pretty cool patch 
and the rattlesnake trim, and MUSA (which apparently is no longer the case 
with swift industries :/).* Asking $200 + shipping*

*Porcelain Rocket meanwhile 137 basketpacking bag*, coyote color - 
Waterproof Made in Canada basket bag that perfectly fits a wald 137. It has 
a bit of wear on the bottom of the bag and back, but the material is very 
abrasion proof so the photos make it worse that what it looks like. Its 
currently made by Rockgeist, but appears out of stock. *Asking $80 shipped.*

Cheers all,
Collin in Sactown

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Hilibike parts, Deore & XTR

[Richard Rose]

Dang those hubs are sweet.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 6, 2022, at 12:57 PM, Collin A  wrote:
> 
> Bump...and some updates 
> I was able to locate the skewers for the XTR hubs, but the front was used and 
> has a couple scratches (I added some photos, along) :/
> Deore brakes are pending maybe?
> Added the following:
> Gilles Berthoud Natural/Tan Soulor - the racing one with stainless rails. It 
> is used for maybe 300 miles and shows it in the visual appearance of the 
> saddle, but the leather is still stiff an unbroken for a future rider. Asking 
> $150+shipping
> Rivendell SILV3R Cranks, 173 length - Another OEM part from my Clem, with 
> some rub marks along the arms and a bit of dust/grease in harder to reach 
> spots, but still great and wonderful looking cranks. Asking $100+Shipping
> Maware Leather Tape, Tan - Good color option for the saddle above, and used 
> on the same bike for the same duration. There is some discoloration, which I 
> tried to photograph the worst of it. Length is unmeasured, but I was able to 
> wrap 48cm crust shaka bars with it (example photo in the link), and I can 
> supply the end plugs as well if desired. These:  Maware Leather Handlebar 
> tape – Rene Herse Cycles. Asking $40+shipping
> I left shipping as a variable as that seems to be highly variable right now 
> as well. In general, it will be USPS and insured, and most will end up in a 
> flat rate box. Also, if these prices seem ridiculous let me know, given the 
> current state of shortages, demand, etc. I have no idea what is a 
> reasonable/fair price anymore...
> 
> Cheers,
> Collin
> 
>> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:23:03 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>> Folks,
>> 
>> I have some parts in my parts bin that hit my criteria of "I haven't used 
>> them in 2 years, so time to get rid of them." If i didn't live in an 
>> apartment without a garage, I'm sure that criteria would change, but as it 
>> is, space is limited.
>> 
>> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Xa3dF6DW7xUBm9Rj9
>> 
>> Anywho, I have the following:
>> Deore V brakes, "silver" one bike's worth: OEM from my 2017 Clem H, a bit 
>> dusty but overall great working condition. Comes with the mounting bolts, 
>> noodles, and little cable protectors. They work great, but I have since 
>> switched to cantis on my Rivendell - Asking $30 + shipping
>> 
>> XTR M960 Hubs, NOS, 32h: Unused and unlaced, and would make an excellent 
>> heart to a pair of hillibike wheels. They are a dark silver, almost 
>> gunmetal-type color that would provide a good balance to the vibrant colors 
>> Riv uses. 8/9/10 speed freehub, but you can use 11 spd mtn cassettes and the 
>> higher range 11 speed road cassettes on here as well. 100QR front and 135 QR 
>> rear, 450g for the set - Asking $160+ shipping.
>> 
>> Enjoy the weekend,
>> Collin "what is rain" in Sacramento, CA
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[RBW] Re: WTB - 54cm Quickbeam or Similar Riv SS

[ant ritchey]

flippedbeam:

https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/eugene-rivendell-quickbeam-56cm/7454571966.html

not mine... just spotted this upside downer this morn.
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 8:50:26 AM UTC-8 James wrote:

> Hello! 
>
> I'm putting out feelers for a 54cm quickbeam! I would also consider a 
> Simpleone or a Frank Jones too. 
>
> Will's quickbeam has me wishing I had one! 
>
> Feel free to respond here, email ja...@rivbike.com, or call Riv and ask 
> for me! 
>
> Best, 
>
> James
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Pigeonholed in Bicycle Philosophy

[Jim M.]

Racing is not a bad thing, and there are plenty of arguments for the 
benefits of athletic competition.  What I think is unfortunate is how 
competition focused the bike industry has become, which really addresses 
only a small part of the bicycling world. For those of us old enough to 
remember Bikecentennial, the industry back then pushed touring, at least 
for a short time.  

Grant was a good amateur racer and won, IIRC, the Mt Diablo hill climb at 
least once. Long time RBW'er Mark -- greatly responsible for the Legolas 
and Roadeo -- was a national cyclocross champ. At Bridgestone, Grant helped 
design the RB1 and MB1. The RB1 was a budget racer that could compete with 
the Italian bikes, and the MB1 was one of the best early NORBA racers.  
Racing experience certainly shaped Grant's current approach, even if he has 
moved away from competition.

I raced bikes, but as I got older, having my stem slammed all the way down 
became uncomfortable. Fortunately I talked with Grant around that time, and 
he got me to raise bars and widen tires. 

If you want to try bike racing, go for it. It doesn't have to be one or the 
other, though if you want to be competitive a lot of your riding becomes 
"training", especially during the season. If you don't know whether you're 
drawn to competition, you probably aren't, I'd guess. If you are drawn to 
compete, it could be a different sport, and you could continue to "just 
ride" the RBW way.

jim m
walnut creek, ca

 

On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 8:48:32 AM UTC-8 lkbr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dear RBW Owners Bunch, 
>
> This is my first post here, so hello! I have been struggling with my own 
> perception of my interests in bicycles lately, and I thought you might be 
> able to help me parse out my thoughts and ease my feelings. 
>
> In the past year, my seemingly unattainable fascination with bicycles 
> quickly solidified into a more practical part of my life than I could have 
> imagined. It began as I vowed to stop driving and speculated some updates 
> to my first bike, which was an old mountain bike I received from a friend 
> five years ago. I gave up on the updates when someone at the local bike 
> co-op said the changes wouldn't be worthwhile, and I internalized it. A few 
> months later, I took the plunge and bought my first big kid bike: a 
> new-to-me Velo Orange Polyvalent. During the summer, I embarked on a 
> thirty-day-long tour across Montana, where I met brilliant people, saw a 
> new part of the world, and shook down my new bike. Soon afterward, I 
> departed for a research project to measure the impacts of wildfires on 
> trout and stream invertebrates, and I discovered the joys of bike fishing 
> in my spare time. In the fall, I began to work as an advocate for 
> alternative transportation at my university, but I was disappointed in the 
> fact that I was the only student advocate who rode a bicycle. Then, I gave 
> my old bike, complete with alternative handlebars and a basket, to my best 
> friend, and it is so joyful to hear stories of their adventures. Most 
> recently, I read Grant's book *Just Ride*, which clarified my 
> understanding of his ideas, and I began to volunteer as a mechanic at my 
> local bike co-op. I have been struggling to fulfill my desire to tinker 
> with my own bikes, so it is awesome to put my time toward my community and 
> help others fall in love with bicycles in the process. 
>
> All this to say, I stumbled across Rivendell during my search for 
> alternative handlebars, and I was quickly drawn into the standards of 
> optimism, utility, and beauty that you, or we (please interject if I 
> missense the collective attitude), embrace in bicycles and the world. 
> However, there are a couple of issues I have been struggling with lately.   
>
> My first concern has to do with my own consumer habits, which I often 
> excuse as curiosity. My journey into more “serious" cycling has involved a 
> number of significant purchases. I don’t see an end in sight because there 
> are so many neat things to try. Albatross and Towel Rack bars have been 
> calling my name lately (I can’t decide which one to try because their 
> suggested stem lengths are inversely proportionate). Don’t get me started 
> on all of the bags and tires, bits and bobs. Will it ever end?
>
> The other issue is less immediate, at least in a physical sense. I’m 
> relatively young. I just turned 20. If I lean into the unracer's mindset 
> now, will I miss out on something? Did I skip my formative bicycle 
> experiences and arrive at the ultimate form decades too early? Will I watch 
> my athleticism and socially demanded competitive spirit slip away?
>
> Anyway, enough about me. What do you think?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Brother “the Instagram algorithm made me fall in love with bikes” Bunny
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[RichS]

I have wireless Cateyes on two bikes which provide maintenance log mileage. 
The third bike uses a Wahoo Element Bolt and Ride with GPS. Much more data 
capable than I require but I do appreciate a few of the features like 
connection to iphone and ft. of climbing. 

Steve, you did the ride displayed in Puglia? I'm envious. Spent some 
vacation time in not so touristy Monopoli. Enjoy your rides!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 10:57:34 AM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I'm a fan of the wired Cateye cyclometer.  I'm only interested in distance 
> per ride and total/year.  I've used it for 30 years.  I love how basic it 
> is and needs a battery replacement now and then.  Trip mileage and total 
> mileage always at fingertips.  Never have to think about anything else.  I 
> bought a new one for my sparkly Mermaid Platy.
> Kate in Trenton, NJ
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 12:12:10 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> I also use Ride w/GPS to track my rides, and then transfer to paper. 
>> Often after a stop in my ride, the app pauses and does not restart. On 
>> yesterdays ride, you can see the second half of the ride is a straight 
>> line, which was not the actual ride. I don’t look at the app when I ride so 
>> I don’t realize the app is on pause  until I finish the ride. Steve
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 5:49 PM David Hallerman  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kinda like me, except my biggest challenge using Ride With GPS is 
>>> turning it off at the end of a ride.
>>> On 3/2/22 1:20 PM, MoVelo wrote:
>>>
>>> I use Ride with GPS on my iPhone. It keeps track of yearly mileage and 
>>> all the other stats, pauses when I pause and can run it the background 
>>> whilst I surf other apps.  
>>>
>>> Also there is a pretty big library of rides from others who have shared 
>>> with the app.
>>>
>>> Remembering to turn it on at the beginning of a ride is my biggest 
>>> challenge. 
>>>
>>> JP
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 10:04:49 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 GPS mapping software is smart enough to understand a brief break for 
 tunnels. Bridges & underpasses are not a problem as there are multiple 
 satellites feeding the data all the way across the horizon so you may lose 
 a more overhead signal but not one coming at you from in front or behind. 
 As for accuracy, I'm not sure how much closer you want than the typical 
 16' 
 which the standard GPS receivers like your phone or Garmin deliver? Since 
 you're traveling rather than static you are giving the mapping software 
 flowing data points to extrapolate against for better accuracy than 
 standing still too.

 There's no way a cycle computer could be calibrated that accurately & 
 the margin of error will increase with the mileage.

 I use Strava combined with a Wahoo Tickr wrist strap as I like to be 
 mix up my HR efforts & I tend to ride too hard. I don't slavishly follow 
 the data but Strave lets you input which bike you rode that day which is a 
 great way of keeping overall mileage records.




 On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 9:46:12 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> Reading through the blog post makes me wonder if anyone has ridden a 
> bike with a carefully calibrated cycle odometer - maybe using the "roll 
> out" method to determine accuracy - along with one of these GPS units to 
> see how accurate the GPS really is.  Seems like riding through areas 
> where 
> the sky is blocked temporarily by tall buildings, underpasses, heavy 
> forestation, etc. would have to have some effect on overall mileage 
> tracked.  Plus, the run-of-the-mill GPS units that individuals can use, 
> be 
> it a specific device (Garmin) or a cell phone,  aren't as accurate to 
> begin 
> with as the high quality equipment that people like surveyors use. 
>
> Just curious.  I have a friend who will be riding in the Great Cycle 
> Challenge, a fundraiser for the Children's Cancer Research Fund, again 
> this 
> year and I've carefully calibrated her cycle computer - which I'm not 
> even 
> sure she's used - so she can compare the results with the GPS info that 
> the 
> fundraiser uses to track participant's mileage. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:38:52 AM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I use a Sigma BC 12.12 Bike Computer, wired, and read it into a 
>> spreadsheet with the Sigma DataCenter program.
>> I bought a bunch of them years ago and calibrate them for each bike 
>> on the trail I ride.
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Pigeonholed in Bicycle Philosophy

[J. W.]

Lovely post Andy. You wrote:

The conclusions that I have found and my riding objectives shaped the bike 
> I had made for me and those objective needs. I took 20 years of almost 
> there, but have it nailed now. 


I am new here so I haven't seen it if you've posted it before--can you post 
a picture of this bike? Thanks! Jon in Montreal

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[RBW] Re: FS: Hilibike parts, Deore & XTR

[Collin A]

Bump...and some updates 

   - I was able to locate the skewers for the XTR hubs, but the front was 
   used and has a couple scratches (I added some photos, along) :/
   - Deore brakes are pending maybe?

Added the following:

   - *Gilles Berthoud Natural/Tan Soulor *- the racing one with stainless 
   rails. It is used for maybe 300 miles and shows it in the visual appearance 
   of the saddle, but the leather is still stiff an unbroken for a future 
   rider. *Asking $150+shipping*
   - *Rivendell SILV3R Cranks, 173 length -* Another OEM part from my Clem, 
   with some rub marks along the arms and a bit of dust/grease in harder to 
   reach spots, but still great and wonderful looking cranks. *Asking 
   $100+Shipping*
   - *Maware Leather Tape, Tan** - *Good color option for the saddle above, 
   and used on the same bike for the same duration. There is some 
   discoloration, which I tried to photograph the worst of it. Length is 
   unmeasured, but I was able to wrap 48cm crust shaka bars with it (example 
   photo in the link), and I can supply the end plugs as well if desired. 
   These:  Maware Leather Handlebar tape – Rene Herse Cycles 
   
.
 
   *Asking $40+shipping*

I left shipping as a variable as that seems to be highly variable right now 
as well. In general, it will be USPS and insured, and most will end up in a 
flat rate box. Also, if these prices seem ridiculous let me know, given the 
current state of shortages, demand, etc. I have no idea what is a 
reasonable/fair price anymore...

Cheers,
Collin

On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:23:03 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I have some parts in my parts bin that hit my criteria of "I haven't used 
> them in 2 years, so time to get rid of them." If i didn't live in an 
> apartment without a garage, I'm sure that criteria would change, but as it 
> is, space is limited.
>
> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Xa3dF6DW7xUBm9Rj9
>
> Anywho, I have the following:
> Deore V brakes, "silver" one bike's worth: OEM from my 2017 Clem H, a bit 
> dusty but overall great working condition. Comes with the mounting bolts, 
> noodles, and little cable protectors. They work great, but I have since 
> switched to cantis on my Rivendell -* Asking $30 + shipping*
>
> XTR M960 Hubs, NOS, 32h: Unused and unlaced, and would make an excellent 
> heart to a pair of hillibike wheels. They are a dark silver, almost 
> gunmetal-type color that would provide a good balance to the vibrant colors 
> Riv uses. 8/9/10 speed freehub, but you can use 11 spd mtn cassettes and 
> the higher range 11 speed road cassettes on here as well. 100QR front and 
> 135 QR rear, 450g for the set - *Asking $160+ shipping.*
>
> Enjoy the weekend,
> Collin "what is rain" in Sacramento, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Subject: FS Analog/Discord Fingerling Stem - Bump

[JohnS]

Stem is sold.

Thanks,
JohnS

On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 4:05:36 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> I need move these, so now asking $140, will cover shipping as long as it's 
> less than $10.
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 8:46:34 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Details: Black 50mm extension, for 1" steerers, 31.8 handlebar clamp. 
>> Asking $160 plus shipping, prefer pay-pal. 
>>
>> I had bought this stem from a list member last year to try on my '83 
>> Stumpy with a gravel drop bar, but it just wasn't the right combination for 
>> me, so it's up for sale. Like new condition, I only used it a few times to 
>> ride around the neighborhood. Please reply to me directly if interested.
>>
>>
>> https://analogcycles.com/collections/stems/products/discord-fingerling-stems?variant=40096136659121
>>
>> Thanks!
>> JohnS[image: WIN_20220205_08_43_06_Pro.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm a fan of the wired Cateye cyclometer.  I'm only interested in distance 
per ride and total/year.  I've used it for 30 years.  I love how basic it 
is and needs a battery replacement now and then.  Trip mileage and total 
mileage always at fingertips.  Never have to think about anything else.  I 
bought a new one for my sparkly Mermaid Platy.
Kate in Trenton, NJ

On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 12:12:10 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> I also use Ride w/GPS to track my rides, and then transfer to paper. Often 
> after a stop in my ride, the app pauses and does not restart. On yesterdays 
> ride, you can see the second half of the ride is a straight line, which was 
> not the actual ride. I don’t look at the app when I ride so I don’t realize 
> the app is on pause  until I finish the ride. Steve
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 5:49 PM David Hallerman  wrote:
>
>> Kinda like me, except my biggest challenge using Ride With GPS is turning 
>> it off at the end of a ride.
>> On 3/2/22 1:20 PM, MoVelo wrote:
>>
>> I use Ride with GPS on my iPhone. It keeps track of yearly mileage and 
>> all the other stats, pauses when I pause and can run it the background 
>> whilst I surf other apps.  
>>
>> Also there is a pretty big library of rides from others who have shared 
>> with the app.
>>
>> Remembering to turn it on at the beginning of a ride is my biggest 
>> challenge. 
>>
>> JP
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 10:04:49 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> GPS mapping software is smart enough to understand a brief break for 
>>> tunnels. Bridges & underpasses are not a problem as there are multiple 
>>> satellites feeding the data all the way across the horizon so you may lose 
>>> a more overhead signal but not one coming at you from in front or behind. 
>>> As for accuracy, I'm not sure how much closer you want than the typical 16' 
>>> which the standard GPS receivers like your phone or Garmin deliver? Since 
>>> you're traveling rather than static you are giving the mapping software 
>>> flowing data points to extrapolate against for better accuracy than 
>>> standing still too.
>>>
>>> There's no way a cycle computer could be calibrated that accurately & 
>>> the margin of error will increase with the mileage.
>>>
>>> I use Strava combined with a Wahoo Tickr wrist strap as I like to be mix 
>>> up my HR efforts & I tend to ride too hard. I don't slavishly follow the 
>>> data but Strave lets you input which bike you rode that day which is a 
>>> great way of keeping overall mileage records.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 9:46:12 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Reading through the blog post makes me wonder if anyone has ridden a 
 bike with a carefully calibrated cycle odometer - maybe using the "roll 
 out" method to determine accuracy - along with one of these GPS units to 
 see how accurate the GPS really is.  Seems like riding through areas where 
 the sky is blocked temporarily by tall buildings, underpasses, heavy 
 forestation, etc. would have to have some effect on overall mileage 
 tracked.  Plus, the run-of-the-mill GPS units that individuals can use, be 
 it a specific device (Garmin) or a cell phone,  aren't as accurate to 
 begin 
 with as the high quality equipment that people like surveyors use. 

 Just curious.  I have a friend who will be riding in the Great Cycle 
 Challenge, a fundraiser for the Children's Cancer Research Fund, again 
 this 
 year and I've carefully calibrated her cycle computer - which I'm not even 
 sure she's used - so she can compare the results with the GPS info that 
 the 
 fundraiser uses to track participant's mileage. 


 On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:38:52 AM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:

> I use a Sigma BC 12.12 Bike Computer, wired, and read it into a 
> spreadsheet with the Sigma DataCenter program.
> I bought a bunch of them years ago and calibrate them for each bike on 
> the trail I ride.
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB setback seatpost 27.2 (and a front qr skewer)

[Conway Bennett]

I'm in Chicagoland too, and I have lots of new velocity QR skewers.  I have 
some OEM kalloy seatposts too if you want think they could work.

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 8:58:36 AM UTC-6 samwe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Before going to town on stem / hb combinations to dial in fit on my 
> (now-back-in-Chicago) Rom, I was thinking of trying a more setback 
> seatpost. Since this is for fit, any condition will do. I prefer silver if 
> possible, but not picky. Size is 27.2mm. Does anyone have one of these 
> lying around?
>
> Also, my only front quick release skewer is all rusted. Does anyone have a 
> spare, non-rust division? Black or silver are fine.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Sam
> back in the windy city, which is particularly windy as I write this
>

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[RBW] WTB setback seatpost 27.2 (and a front qr skewer)

[Sam McDermott]

Hi everyone,

Before going to town on stem / hb combinations to dial in fit on my 
(now-back-in-Chicago) Rom, I was thinking of trying a more setback 
seatpost. Since this is for fit, any condition will do. I prefer silver if 
possible, but not picky. Size is 27.2mm. Does anyone have one of these 
lying around?

Also, my only front quick release skewer is all rusted. Does anyone have a 
spare, non-rust division? Black or silver are fine.

Thanks!

-Sam
back in the windy city, which is particularly windy as I write this

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[RBW] Re: Pigeonholed in Bicycle Philosophy

[ascpgh]

Anything that promotes your personal ascent (or descent per some) into 
cycling is good. That you have found RIvendell, read the literature, seen 
product and found this forum implies some inclination in this direction. 

When I returned to road riding in my 20s after a few years hiatus that 
included my entry into mountain biking, my motivation was to see more miles 
of my Ozark Mountain region than my trail rides afforded. Most others on 
these rides were racer-types seeing these as very adventuresome, but were 
more like training rides to which Eddy Merckx would subject himself, just 
add more topography than all of Belgium has. I did abide with his cobbler 
wrapped in a linen from his mother's kitchen in his jersey pocket as lunch 
but the full kit racers' influence put a decline on the potential of my 
experiences on those rides. I was a realist about my physical limitations 
and the miles it would take to reach par, if ever, with those folks so I 
branched out and away. I rode dirt roads in the mountains and forests on my 
road bike and found it aligned with my desires, the only 
comparison/competition being with myself. Those folks would never go on the 
rides I liked. That's the for fun part, I've also been a full time bike 
commuter for 16 years because of the simplicity, efficiency and mental 
release the riding offers me before and after work. 

Someone once said that when grouped women compare, men compete. I don't 
like to promote gender based distinctions that differentiate but there is a 
type who make every distant sign, mountain summit or twisting descent into 
a race opportunity and my own non-scientific data collection results do 
have a gender differentiation. Ride with mixed groups of folks, it's always 
better for all. Who asks how much your bike weighs? 

You aren't going to miss out on anything any more than you would by 
deciding to buy a technology item like a phone or laptop (I know, "what's 
that?") which instantly leaves you at the station as the train of progress 
moves away from you. The pursuit of the newest cycling things is distinct 
from how you appreciate riding a bicycle. It is very personal and you will 
become quite astute at seeing the potential for various products and how 
they may be applicable for advancing your experiences. The greatest 
potential reward you have before you is the possibility that cycling will 
remain consistent and continuous in your life. Others like me will recount 
lapses and the difficulties of "coming back" to riding with limitations and 
difficulties alliterated.

The more you ride what you enjoy, the more specific your preferences of how 
and what you ride will become. They may differ from those of others but you 
will both recognize the differences and respect that they came to be from 
the unique paths those others have had. 

The conclusions that I have found and my riding objectives shaped the bike 
I had made for me and those objective needs. I took 20 years of almost 
there, but have it nailed now. Worth every penny I saved and minute I rode 
to assure myself of what I like (and don't) not veering off on each new 
expensive tangent. I let my preferences tell me what wouldn't improve my 
cycling experience but included technology I know and prefer, excluded much 
as expensive distractions to me and my riding. I continue to admire the 
Patagonia founder, Yvon Chouinard's line about the objective in outdoor 
pursuits being to traverse the wilderness with as little as possible. You 
can buy a 4 pound frame that ends up 37 pounds built if you went for every 
widget and innovation of space age materials and light weight yet somehow 
in old fashioned steel and realistic counsel with my builder I gota 
wonderful bike that, in my absolute most favored measurement, doesn't limit 
my riding. I don't even know how much it weighs with the bag on or a water 
bottle filled, I need both when I go out so what's it matter?

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

 

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> Dear RBW Owners Bunch, 
>
> This is my first post here, so hello! I have been struggling with my own 
> perception of my interests in bicycles lately, and I thought you might be 
> able to help me parse out my thoughts and ease my feelings. 
>
> In the past year, my seemingly unattainable fascination with bicycles 
> quickly solidified into a more practical part of my life than I could have 
> imagined. It began as I vowed to stop driving and speculated some updates 
> to my first bike, which was an old mountain bike I received from a friend 
> five years ago. I gave up on the updates when someone at the local bike 
> co-op said the changes wouldn't be worthwhile, and I internalized it. A few 
> months later, I took the plunge and bought my first big kid bike: a 
> new-to-me Velo Orange Polyvalent. During the summer, I embarked on a 
> thirty-day-long tour across Montana, where I met brilliant people, saw a 
> new part of the 

[RBW] Re: Pigeonholed in Bicycle Philosophy

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yer fine.  Just ride.  It does sound like you're learning the impact a bike 
and it's rider can make on their community.

On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 10:48:32 AM UTC-6 lkbr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dear RBW Owners Bunch, 
>
> This is my first post here, so hello! I have been struggling with my own 
> perception of my interests in bicycles lately, and I thought you might be 
> able to help me parse out my thoughts and ease my feelings. 
>
> In the past year, my seemingly unattainable fascination with bicycles 
> quickly solidified into a more practical part of my life than I could have 
> imagined. It began as I vowed to stop driving and speculated some updates 
> to my first bike, which was an old mountain bike I received from a friend 
> five years ago. I gave up on the updates when someone at the local bike 
> co-op said the changes wouldn't be worthwhile, and I internalized it. A few 
> months later, I took the plunge and bought my first big kid bike: a 
> new-to-me Velo Orange Polyvalent. During the summer, I embarked on a 
> thirty-day-long tour across Montana, where I met brilliant people, saw a 
> new part of the world, and shook down my new bike. Soon afterward, I 
> departed for a research project to measure the impacts of wildfires on 
> trout and stream invertebrates, and I discovered the joys of bike fishing 
> in my spare time. In the fall, I began to work as an advocate for 
> alternative transportation at my university, but I was disappointed in the 
> fact that I was the only student advocate who rode a bicycle. Then, I gave 
> my old bike, complete with alternative handlebars and a basket, to my best 
> friend, and it is so joyful to hear stories of their adventures. Most 
> recently, I read Grant's book *Just Ride*, which clarified my 
> understanding of his ideas, and I began to volunteer as a mechanic at my 
> local bike co-op. I have been struggling to fulfill my desire to tinker 
> with my own bikes, so it is awesome to put my time toward my community and 
> help others fall in love with bicycles in the process. 
>
> All this to say, I stumbled across Rivendell during my search for 
> alternative handlebars, and I was quickly drawn into the standards of 
> optimism, utility, and beauty that you, or we (please interject if I 
> missense the collective attitude), embrace in bicycles and the world. 
> However, there are a couple of issues I have been struggling with lately.   
>
> My first concern has to do with my own consumer habits, which I often 
> excuse as curiosity. My journey into more “serious" cycling has involved a 
> number of significant purchases. I don’t see an end in sight because there 
> are so many neat things to try. Albatross and Towel Rack bars have been 
> calling my name lately (I can’t decide which one to try because their 
> suggested stem lengths are inversely proportionate). Don’t get me started 
> on all of the bags and tires, bits and bobs. Will it ever end?
>
> The other issue is less immediate, at least in a physical sense. I’m 
> relatively young. I just turned 20. If I lean into the unracer's mindset 
> now, will I miss out on something? Did I skip my formative bicycle 
> experiences and arrive at the ultimate form decades too early? Will I watch 
> my athleticism and socially demanded competitive spirit slip away?
>
> Anyway, enough about me. What do you think?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Brother “the Instagram algorithm made me fall in love with bikes” Bunny
>

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