[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Trunksack, Paul Cantis and Levers, Blue Lug Cap, MKS Pedals

[Chris Halasz]

Update: Paul Canti Levers, MKS Grip Monarch Pedals, and Blue Lug Cap are 
sold. 

Items still available are: 


   - Rivendell Trunksack, Large, Olive $95 
   - Paul Components Neo-Retro Cantilever Brakes (black, pair) - two sets, 
   $90 per set. 
   
Photos located here 
, 
with information below. Prices are negotiable and do not include shipping - 
will work with you on preferred packaging and details. 
Thanks, 

Chris 
SB, CA
On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 11:52:22 AM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Happy Fourth of July everyone! 
>
> Some parts I was planning to use for an additional bike, but need the 
> space more than the hoarding. Photos located here 
> , 
> with information below. Prices are negotiable and do not include shipping - 
> will work with you on preferred packaging and details. 
>
> Rivendell Trunksack, Large, Olive $100 
>
> Rivendell Blue Lug Cap, as new, One Size, $50 
>
> Rivendell MKS Grip Monarch Pedals, Black, as new $50 
>
> Paul Components Canti Group - Lightly used, all black
>
>- Paul Components Canti Lever (black, pair, w/ Kool-Stop Salmon pads) 
>$125 
>- Paul Components Neo-Retro Cantilever Brakes (black, pair) $95 per 
>set 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Chris 
>
> SB, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Paul Clifton]

Hey Tim,
Thanks for the details! That definitely looks like a trip that was not to 
be missed. IMO the full story makes the frame failure even more 
interesting. It sounds like it did did it's job admirably for a lot of 
miles. Cheers.

Paul in AR

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 9:23:46 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> That's my frame that was repaired. I had noticed a little extra flex 
> riding into camp the night before and inspected the bike in the morning. It 
> cracked around the water bottle boss. The tube did not crack in half or 
> anything. I was able to ride the bike to the auto repair shop 5 or so miles 
> away. I think someone else has photos of the crack. I'll post if I find 
> some. I was more concerned with getting my frame fixed so I could ride the 
> Big M trails. I almost made it to the trails on a trip four years ago and 
> was taken out by pink eye. I did not want to miss out again. The shop may 
> have gone a little overboard on the repair but it got me on the trails and 
> back home. I covered it up with some sparkly nail polish to pretty it up 
> and keep rust away.
>
> As to the cause of the crack, hard to say. I weigh 150 pounds. I do carry 
> a lot of water but the rest of my setup is pretty light. I doubt it's over 
> 50lbs with water. I've had the frame a year and some change but it's been 
> on a month trip on the west coast, two week trip on the east coast, local 
> campouts, grocery duty and daily commuting. It's definitely been put to the 
> test. I plan to keep riding it until something else happens...
>
> Nothing lasts forever, enjoy the ride!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:29:18 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It should be pointed out that no one knows whether the break had anything 
>> at all to do with loaded weight. It could have been run over by a car for 
>> all we know. (Unless someone read through that thread and determined what 
>> happened)
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> The 160 limit seems extremely low, and has definitely been pushed 
>>> successfully, which I reckon is why they raised it to 225-ish. I suspect 
>>> having room for beefy tires encourages people to really put a bike through 
>>> its paces, which may have influenced Grant's conservative load limits. It's 
>>> like Nitto saying a rack will only hold 5 lbs because they know people will 
>>> put 15 lbs on it, but people would probably put 40 lbs on it if they didn't 
>>> say anything, and some people still do.
>>>
>>> I think I remember something similar happening with the Sam. When it was 
>>> introduced, it was "not intended for loaded touring", but people loaded it 
>>> down and toured on it anyway, and Grant adjusted his thoughts about what it 
>>> was capable of. That behavior may have also led to the second top tube. But 
>>> this is all conjecture on my part.
>>>
>>> Either way, I'm not really surprised that a Susie broke, and I still 
>>> think it's unlikely anyone is going to break a Susie just riding along ...
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:59:28 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always 
 marketed their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to 
 wispy aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most 
 of 
 us would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike 
 unlike what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their 
 products, load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an 
 overnight campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I 
 can only weight 150 pounds myself?

 Am I missing something?

 --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:

 I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
 just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
 imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
 crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 

 I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
 wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on 
 it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a 
 chance to take it on some real trails!

 On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it 
> made 
> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
> actually I'd be fine.
>
> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
> again. Surprise surpr

Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Tim Baldwin]

That's my frame that was repaired. I had noticed a little extra flex riding 
into camp the night before and inspected the bike in the morning. It 
cracked around the water bottle boss. The tube did not crack in half or 
anything. I was able to ride the bike to the auto repair shop 5 or so miles 
away. I think someone else has photos of the crack. I'll post if I find 
some. I was more concerned with getting my frame fixed so I could ride the 
Big M trails. I almost made it to the trails on a trip four years ago and 
was taken out by pink eye. I did not want to miss out again. The shop may 
have gone a little overboard on the repair but it got me on the trails and 
back home. I covered it up with some sparkly nail polish to pretty it up 
and keep rust away.

As to the cause of the crack, hard to say. I weigh 150 pounds. I do carry a 
lot of water but the rest of my setup is pretty light. I doubt it's over 
50lbs with water. I've had the frame a year and some change but it's been 
on a month trip on the west coast, two week trip on the east coast, local 
campouts, grocery duty and daily commuting. It's definitely been put to the 
test. I plan to keep riding it until something else happens...

Nothing lasts forever, enjoy the ride!

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:29:18 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It should be pointed out that no one knows whether the break had anything 
> at all to do with loaded weight. It could have been run over by a car for 
> all we know. (Unless someone read through that thread and determined what 
> happened)
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> The 160 limit seems extremely low, and has definitely been pushed 
>> successfully, which I reckon is why they raised it to 225-ish. I suspect 
>> having room for beefy tires encourages people to really put a bike through 
>> its paces, which may have influenced Grant's conservative load limits. It's 
>> like Nitto saying a rack will only hold 5 lbs because they know people will 
>> put 15 lbs on it, but people would probably put 40 lbs on it if they didn't 
>> say anything, and some people still do.
>>
>> I think I remember something similar happening with the Sam. When it was 
>> introduced, it was "not intended for loaded touring", but people loaded it 
>> down and toured on it anyway, and Grant adjusted his thoughts about what it 
>> was capable of. That behavior may have also led to the second top tube. But 
>> this is all conjecture on my part.
>>
>> Either way, I'm not really surprised that a Susie broke, and I still 
>> think it's unlikely anyone is going to break a Susie just riding along ...
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:59:28 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
>>> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
>>> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
>>> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
>>> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
>>> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
>>> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
>>> weight 150 pounds myself?
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>
>>> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
>>> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
>>> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
>>> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>>>
>>> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
>>> wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on 
>>> it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a 
>>> chance to take it on some real trails!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
 the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it 
 made 
 me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
 actually I'd be fine.

 I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
 again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.


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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Johnny Alien]

It should be pointed out that no one knows whether the break had anything 
at all to do with loaded weight. It could have been run over by a car for 
all we know. (Unless someone read through that thread and determined what 
happened)

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:

> The 160 limit seems extremely low, and has definitely been pushed 
> successfully, which I reckon is why they raised it to 225-ish. I suspect 
> having room for beefy tires encourages people to really put a bike through 
> its paces, which may have influenced Grant's conservative load limits. It's 
> like Nitto saying a rack will only hold 5 lbs because they know people will 
> put 15 lbs on it, but people would probably put 40 lbs on it if they didn't 
> say anything, and some people still do.
>
> I think I remember something similar happening with the Sam. When it was 
> introduced, it was "not intended for loaded touring", but people loaded it 
> down and toured on it anyway, and Grant adjusted his thoughts about what it 
> was capable of. That behavior may have also led to the second top tube. But 
> this is all conjecture on my part.
>
> Either way, I'm not really surprised that a Susie broke, and I still think 
> it's unlikely anyone is going to break a Susie just riding along ...
>
> Paul
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:59:28 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
>> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
>> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
>> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
>> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
>> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
>> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
>> weight 150 pounds myself?
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>>
>> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
>> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
>> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
>> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>>
>> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder 
>> if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and 
>> it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to 
>> take it on some real trails!
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
>>> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made 
>>> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
>>> actually I'd be fine.
>>>
>>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
>>> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Paul Clifton]

The 160 limit seems extremely low, and has definitely been pushed 
successfully, which I reckon is why they raised it to 225-ish. I suspect 
having room for beefy tires encourages people to really put a bike through 
its paces, which may have influenced Grant's conservative load limits. It's 
like Nitto saying a rack will only hold 5 lbs because they know people will 
put 15 lbs on it, but people would probably put 40 lbs on it if they didn't 
say anything, and some people still do.

I think I remember something similar happening with the Sam. When it was 
introduced, it was "not intended for loaded touring", but people loaded it 
down and toured on it anyway, and Grant adjusted his thoughts about what it 
was capable of. That behavior may have also led to the second top tube. But 
this is all conjecture on my part.

Either way, I'm not really surprised that a Susie broke, and I still think 
it's unlikely anyone is going to break a Susie just riding along ...

Paul

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:59:28 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
> weight 150 pounds myself?
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>
> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder 
> if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and 
> it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to 
> take it on some real trails!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
>> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made 
>> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
>> actually I'd be fine.
>>
>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
>> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Gill]

Yeah, I second what Joe said. The only thing I’ve managed to break on my 
Clem is a nipple and it took a concerted effort of dumbness to do that. 
That bike is bulletproof. 

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:59:49 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've owned a Susie and several Clem Ls, the Clem is notably stouter. Ain't 
> nobody breaking that frame. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that Clem has been built heavily to take a lot of 
>> abuse. Have fun, and let us know how it rides with a touring load!
>> -W
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:56:31 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have been thinking about this a lot lately in preparation for the trip 
>>> I am currently on with my Clem. I have about 30lbs. of gear including the 
>>> racks & 3 water bottles. Pretty evenly distributed f/r but perhaps biased 
>>> towards the front. Bike handles good. Hope it’s ok.
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Wesley  wrote:
>>>
>>> All else being equal (especially tubing size - which, maybe it's not 
>>> the same across sizes?), the larger size will be less strong than the 
>>> smaller sizes, while generally having a heavier rider. I am very curious 
>>> what the rider did to break his bike and I am also very happy to read that 
>>> he has apparently shrugged it off and seems to derive some satisfaction 
>>> from the repair.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>>>
 Well, they do offer the same bike in a version that will support a 
 heavier rider. But I agree that people who fit the largest sizes are going 
 to be flirting with Susie's weight limit even before adding gear. For 
 instance I've got a 93cm PBH and weigh 190+, so I wouldn't be able to put 
 much on a Susie and keep within the limits.
 -W

 On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:59:28 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always 
> marketed their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to 
> wispy aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most 
> of 
> us would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike 
> unlike what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their 
> products, load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an 
> overnight campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I 
> can only weight 150 pounds myself?
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, 
> I just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So 
> I’d imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d 
> be 
> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>
> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
> wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on 
> it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a 
> chance to take it on some real trails!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump 
>> on the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and 
>> it 
>> made me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me 
>> think, actually I'd be fine.
>>
>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do 
>> that again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 27f rack

[Peter Adler]

Assuming the rack we're talking about (Nitto uses the name "Campeé" for 
about six different dissimilar models; *thanks*, guys) is the 
randonneur-ish style with the bag tombstone near the head tube and the 
detachable lowrider racks that mount to the main rack with hooks and 
screws, I'd like to talk to the seller of whichever one Nikko doesn't take. 
I've been on a low-level search for a used one for several years, but I 
mostly abandon the search in frustration that the Campee variants usually 
offered are one of the other five variations.

Peter "the rear one I've already got" Adler
Berkeley-right-next-to-Oakland, CA/USA

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 9:39:27 AM UTC-7 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> I've got two leads! Thanks all! 
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 2:24:46 PM UTC-7 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> I’m looking to throw racks on my low trail bike but have the versioning 
>> to add more weight. Anybody holding a 27F (Campee front rack)? 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Joe Bernard]

I've owned a Susie and several Clem Ls, the Clem is notably stouter. Ain't 
nobody breaking that frame. 

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:26:27 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:

> My understanding is that Clem has been built heavily to take a lot of 
> abuse. Have fun, and let us know how it rides with a touring load!
> -W
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:56:31 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have been thinking about this a lot lately in preparation for the trip 
>> I am currently on with my Clem. I have about 30lbs. of gear including the 
>> racks & 3 water bottles. Pretty evenly distributed f/r but perhaps biased 
>> towards the front. Bike handles good. Hope it’s ok.
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Wesley  wrote:
>>
>> All else being equal (especially tubing size - which, maybe it's not the 
>> same across sizes?), the larger size will be less strong than the smaller 
>> sizes, while generally having a heavier rider. I am very curious what the 
>> rider did to break his bike and I am also very happy to read that he has 
>> apparently shrugged it off and seems to derive some satisfaction from the 
>> repair.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> Well, they do offer the same bike in a version that will support a 
>>> heavier rider. But I agree that people who fit the largest sizes are going 
>>> to be flirting with Susie's weight limit even before adding gear. For 
>>> instance I've got a 93cm PBH and weigh 190+, so I wouldn't be able to put 
>>> much on a Susie and keep within the limits.
>>> -W
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:59:28 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always 
 marketed their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to 
 wispy aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most 
 of 
 us would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike 
 unlike what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their 
 products, load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an 
 overnight campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I 
 can only weight 150 pounds myself?

 Am I missing something?

 --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:

 I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
 just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
 imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
 crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 

 I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
 wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on 
 it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a 
 chance to take it on some real trails!

 On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it 
> made 
> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
> actually I'd be fine.
>
> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>
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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Wesley]

My understanding is that Clem has been built heavily to take a lot of 
abuse. Have fun, and let us know how it rides with a touring load!
-W
On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:56:31 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have been thinking about this a lot lately in preparation for the trip I 
> am currently on with my Clem. I have about 30lbs. of gear including the 
> racks & 3 water bottles. Pretty evenly distributed f/r but perhaps biased 
> towards the front. Bike handles good. Hope it’s ok.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jul 5, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Wesley  wrote:
>
> All else being equal (especially tubing size - which, maybe it's not the 
> same across sizes?), the larger size will be less strong than the smaller 
> sizes, while generally having a heavier rider. I am very curious what the 
> rider did to break his bike and I am also very happy to read that he has 
> apparently shrugged it off and seems to derive some satisfaction from the 
> repair.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Well, they do offer the same bike in a version that will support a 
>> heavier rider. But I agree that people who fit the largest sizes are going 
>> to be flirting with Susie's weight limit even before adding gear. For 
>> instance I've got a 93cm PBH and weigh 190+, so I wouldn't be able to put 
>> much on a Susie and keep within the limits.
>> -W
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:59:28 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
>>> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
>>> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
>>> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
>>> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
>>> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
>>> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
>>> weight 150 pounds myself?
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>
>>> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
>>> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
>>> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
>>> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>>>
>>> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
>>> wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on 
>>> it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a 
>>> chance to take it on some real trails!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
 the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it 
 made 
 me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
 actually I'd be fine.

 I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
 again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.


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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Wesley]

All else being equal (especially tubing size - which, maybe it's not the 
same across sizes?), the larger size will be less strong than the smaller 
sizes, while generally having a heavier rider. I am very curious what the 
rider did to break his bike and I am also very happy to read that he has 
apparently shrugged it off and seems to derive some satisfaction from the 
repair.

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:

> Well, they do offer the same bike in a version that will support a heavier 
> rider. But I agree that people who fit the largest sizes are going to be 
> flirting with Susie's weight limit even before adding gear. For instance 
> I've got a 93cm PBH and weigh 190+, so I wouldn't be able to put much on a 
> Susie and keep within the limits.
> -W
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:59:28 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
>> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
>> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
>> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
>> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
>> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
>> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
>> weight 150 pounds myself?
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>>
>> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
>> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
>> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
>> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>>
>> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder 
>> if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and 
>> it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to 
>> take it on some real trails!
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
>>> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made 
>>> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
>>> actually I'd be fine.
>>>
>>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
>>> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Wesley]

Well, they do offer the same bike in a version that will support a heavier 
rider. But I agree that people who fit the largest sizes are going to be 
flirting with Susie's weight limit even before adding gear. For instance 
I've got a 93cm PBH and weigh 190+, so I wouldn't be able to put much on a 
Susie and keep within the limits.
-W

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:59:28 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
> weight 150 pounds myself?
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>
> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder 
> if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and 
> it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to 
> take it on some real trails!
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
>> the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made 
>> me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
>> actually I'd be fine.
>>
>> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
>> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed their 
bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy aluminum and 
carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us would exceed seems 
strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike what I would expect 
from a company that urges us to take their products, load a bunch of stuff on 
them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight campout. After all, if I put 
10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only weight 150 pounds myself?

Am I missing something?

--Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
campyonly...@me.com
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YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
> 
> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I just 
> don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d imagine 
> there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be crazy loaded 
> if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
> 
> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder if 
> the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and it has 
> been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to take it 
> on some real trails!
> 
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on the 
> first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made me 
> nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
> actually I'd be fine.
> 
> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that again. 
> Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Susie's Limits

[Ryan Frahm]

I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 

I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I wonder 
if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on it and 
it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a chance to 
take it on some real trails!

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on the 
> first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made me 
> nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
> actually I'd be fine.
>
> I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
> again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.
>
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[RBW] Re: Susie's Limits

[brendonoid]

Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on the 
first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it made me 
nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
actually I'd be fine.

I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.

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[RBW] Re: Susie's Limits

[Joe Bernard]

>From the product copy at Rivbike: 

"It’s like the Gus but for riders under 205 pounds and who promise to ride 
them with loads of 25lbs or less, and no jumps or canyon-crossings."

The original weight max was even lower, that bike isn't intended to do what 
that rider was doing. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 11:26:55 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> None of the comments mentioned any specifics, and I didn't pose the 
> question. The Reddit poster isn't the Susie owner though. I also think it's 
> a weird break, but I know basically nothing about what makes a frame break.
>
> Paul
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 12:52:00 PM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Huh, I wonder what happened! Reddit jumbles the comments based on 
>> upvotes, so it's pretty tough to find information. Do you know how he broke 
>> the downtube? It seems weird to me (not a frame maker, designer, nor 
>> engineer) that it broke in the middle rather than near one end.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 10:21:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> This trip gallery was posted to the bikepacking forum on Reddit: 
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/bikepacking/comments/vpan76/plenty_of_good_times_a_broken_frame_rowdy/
>>>
>>> I don't know the riders or anything, but the gallery shows what I think 
>>> are 3 Susie/Gus bikes and one other bike I don't recognize. There's an 
>>> orange Susie hauling about a gallon of water, a full front basket, and a 
>>> massive saddle bag. It's frame cracked.
>>>
>>> I'm usually one to scoff at load limits, but I guess at some point, 
>>> they're to be taken seriously. I'm glad these guys were able to get the 
>>> frame fixed and finish their trip. It looks like a really good time!
>>>
>>> But still, I thought y'all would be interested to see what it takes to 
>>> break a Susie. As a chronic over packer and heavy person, I'm even more 
>>> glad I picked the Gus!
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Susie's Limits

[Ryan Frahm]

Wow! I’d fully expect the top tube to fail first. When I called Riv, I  was 
recommended the Susie at my 170lb weight. I did fail to mention that I tow 
my daughter in a burley trailer, I was just excited by the bike. 30lbs 
would be a lot of gear for me on the bike, but I guess I better not get 
rowdy towing her… Makes me a bit more nervous of my choice now. Definitely 
interested to know rider and gear weight. 

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 11:26:55 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> None of the comments mentioned any specifics, and I didn't pose the 
> question. The Reddit poster isn't the Susie owner though. I also think it's 
> a weird break, but I know basically nothing about what makes a frame break.
>
> Paul
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 12:52:00 PM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Huh, I wonder what happened! Reddit jumbles the comments based on 
>> upvotes, so it's pretty tough to find information. Do you know how he broke 
>> the downtube? It seems weird to me (not a frame maker, designer, nor 
>> engineer) that it broke in the middle rather than near one end.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 10:21:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> This trip gallery was posted to the bikepacking forum on Reddit: 
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/bikepacking/comments/vpan76/plenty_of_good_times_a_broken_frame_rowdy/
>>>
>>> I don't know the riders or anything, but the gallery shows what I think 
>>> are 3 Susie/Gus bikes and one other bike I don't recognize. There's an 
>>> orange Susie hauling about a gallon of water, a full front basket, and a 
>>> massive saddle bag. It's frame cracked.
>>>
>>> I'm usually one to scoff at load limits, but I guess at some point, 
>>> they're to be taken seriously. I'm glad these guys were able to get the 
>>> frame fixed and finish their trip. It looks like a really good time!
>>>
>>> But still, I thought y'all would be interested to see what it takes to 
>>> break a Susie. As a chronic over packer and heavy person, I'm even more 
>>> glad I picked the Gus!
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie's Limits

[Paul Clifton]

None of the comments mentioned any specifics, and I didn't pose the 
question. The Reddit poster isn't the Susie owner though. I also think it's 
a weird break, but I know basically nothing about what makes a frame break.

Paul

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 12:52:00 PM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:

> Huh, I wonder what happened! Reddit jumbles the comments based on upvotes, 
> so it's pretty tough to find information. Do you know how he broke the 
> downtube? It seems weird to me (not a frame maker, designer, nor engineer) 
> that it broke in the middle rather than near one end.
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 10:21:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> This trip gallery was posted to the bikepacking forum on Reddit: 
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/bikepacking/comments/vpan76/plenty_of_good_times_a_broken_frame_rowdy/
>>
>> I don't know the riders or anything, but the gallery shows what I think 
>> are 3 Susie/Gus bikes and one other bike I don't recognize. There's an 
>> orange Susie hauling about a gallon of water, a full front basket, and a 
>> massive saddle bag. It's frame cracked.
>>
>> I'm usually one to scoff at load limits, but I guess at some point, 
>> they're to be taken seriously. I'm glad these guys were able to get the 
>> frame fixed and finish their trip. It looks like a really good time!
>>
>> But still, I thought y'all would be interested to see what it takes to 
>> break a Susie. As a chronic over packer and heavy person, I'm even more 
>> glad I picked the Gus!
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
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[RBW] Re: Susie's Limits

[Wesley]

Huh, I wonder what happened! Reddit jumbles the comments based on upvotes, 
so it's pretty tough to find information. Do you know how he broke the 
downtube? It seems weird to me (not a frame maker, designer, nor engineer) 
that it broke in the middle rather than near one end.

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 10:21:27 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> This trip gallery was posted to the bikepacking forum on Reddit: 
> https://www.reddit.com/r/bikepacking/comments/vpan76/plenty_of_good_times_a_broken_frame_rowdy/
>
> I don't know the riders or anything, but the gallery shows what I think 
> are 3 Susie/Gus bikes and one other bike I don't recognize. There's an 
> orange Susie hauling about a gallon of water, a full front basket, and a 
> massive saddle bag. It's frame cracked.
>
> I'm usually one to scoff at load limits, but I guess at some point, 
> they're to be taken seriously. I'm glad these guys were able to get the 
> frame fixed and finish their trip. It looks like a really good time!
>
> But still, I thought y'all would be interested to see what it takes to 
> break a Susie. As a chronic over packer and heavy person, I'm even more 
> glad I picked the Gus!
>
> Paul in AR
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Re: [RBW] Shiny Rear Rack and Dynamo Brake Light

[Doug H.]

Peter,
That is a photo from Rivendell's website showing the light. I don't have a 
rear rack currently but will look at the "T" bracket.
Thanks,
Doug

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:24:09 AM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Busch & Müller has a mount for that purpose. I call it the "T" bracket. 
> What's wrong with your Tubus rack?
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 9:53 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I'm looking to order the Rivendell Shiny rear rack but from the photos I 
>> don't see an obvious way to mount my B&M Toplight brake light. The light 
>> has 50mm bolt spacing. Have any of you installed one of these lights or 
>> other rear lights on the Shiny Rear Rack?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
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[RBW] Susie's Limits

[Paul Clifton]

This trip gallery was posted to the bikepacking forum on Reddit: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/bikepacking/comments/vpan76/plenty_of_good_times_a_broken_frame_rowdy/

I don't know the riders or anything, but the gallery shows what I think are 
3 Susie/Gus bikes and one other bike I don't recognize. There's an orange 
Susie hauling about a gallon of water, a full front basket, and a massive 
saddle bag. It's frame cracked.

I'm usually one to scoff at load limits, but I guess at some point, they're 
to be taken seriously. I'm glad these guys were able to get the frame fixed 
and finish their trip. It looks like a really good time!

But still, I thought y'all would be interested to see what it takes to 
break a Susie. As a chronic over packer and heavy person, I'm even more 
glad I picked the Gus!

Paul in AR

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[RBW] Re: Happy Fourth!

[Bones]

Thanks Randy, and it sure does! I can ride this bike most places and it’s 
always fun and comfortable.

Bones
On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 5:38:00 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> A really beautiful and elegant bike! Does it ride as well as it looks?
> Randy in Wisconsin
>
> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 2:44:40 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> I was supposed to go to my folks' house this weekend but I got called in 
>> to work so I sent my roomates without me. And that means rather than 
>> commuting and running errands, I actually had the opportunity to ride one 
>> of my bicycles for no good reason at all! It also means I got a break from 
>> cleaning up toys and diapers for a few days. I selected my Roadini, which 
>> recently got an overhaul. What a beautiful day! I hope ya'll get out for a 
>> ride too...
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 27f rack

[Nikko in Oakland]

I've got two leads! Thanks all! 

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 2:24:46 PM UTC-7 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> I’m looking to throw racks on my low trail bike but have the versioning to 
> add more weight. Anybody holding a 27F (Campee front rack)? 

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[RBW] Re: FS Nitto Cro-Mo Bosco Bullmoose Bars

[Joe A.]

PM'd!

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:53:32 PM UTC-7 Wayne Naha wrote:

> Forgot to add:  These are the 56 cm version.
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 2:54:05 PM UTC-4 Wayne Naha wrote:
>
>> Any interest in a Nitto Cro-Mo Bosco Bullmoose bar?  These were original 
>> equipment on my Clem.  Now they can be yours for a fraction of the price of 
>> new bars.  They are in excellent condition, with no scratches, dents or 
>> other problems.  Unmodified in any way.  Riv website lists them at $226 
>> here 
>> ,
>>  
>> and they're out of stock.  $150.00 plus shipping.  Happy to provide 
>> additional photos upon request. 
>>  [image: bullmoose_4.jpg][image: bullmoose_1.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Non-bike but pro-Grant: racial justice.

[Paul Clifton]

 THIS HAS NO PLACE ON THIS FORUM. 

I think Patrick is off the mark on his representation of racism (especially 
by conflating systemic racism with the personal relationships between 
individuals and the "surprise" at the fact that violent white supremacy is 
still very much alive and well in this country), but I agree with George. 
Please delete this thread ASAP.

Paul "racism is not welcome here" in AR

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 7:20:56 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Patrick - I agree with much that you have to say here, but I'm not sure it 
> belongs on this blog.  PM me and I'd be glad to discuss further.
> George
>
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 5:32:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> In his blahgs Grant has dwelt on racial injustice against blacks, and 
>> rectification of this injustice. I disagree profoundly with Grant on very 
>> many things, but I perceive and value Grant's fundamental desire for 
>> justice -- I think Grant's heart is wiser than his head.
>>
>> Whatever, I think this anecdote is close enough to Grant's interests to 
>> merit posting here. You can always create a filter for my posts.
>>
>> A good 8-9 years ago a young man began attending liturgy at our church -- 
>> All Saints of North America, of the Orthodox Church in America jurisdiction 
>> (note: not American Orthodox Church" but "Orthodox Church in America").
>>
>> He's huge; 6'2 or 3" and wide; no fat, just 250 lb of bone and muscle. 
>> He's pure white; even whiter than my father, who was pure WASP. He's now in 
>> his 40s; 20+ years ago he was a White supremacist and one of ABQ's most 
>> violent and wanted criminals. He did time and came out the other end.
>>
>> He used to ride to liturgy on a huge, rat-rod Yamaha, and told me he 
>> delighted in tearing up the roads and scaring other drivers on it. I could 
>> sense the violence and conflict in him.
>>
>> He trained through a state program as a HVAC technician, went through a 
>> painful divorce, but managed to maintain his equilibrium. 
>>
>> Eventually, in ~2017-2018, he married a Black woman, moved to KS City MO. 
>> I helped him with the move, and he named me best man at his wedding. As 
>> preliminary and somewhat tongue in cheek wedding present I gave him several 
>> CDs of origin reggae: Peter Tosh, Toots and the Maytals, Bob Marley, as I 
>> was converting my collection to MP3. The real wedding gift was a 
>> hand-painted Orthodox triptych of the Theotokos and Child from Ethiopia.
>>
>> I didn't hear from him for several years, but on Sunday 7/3 he showed up 
>> on a visit, and we talked.
>>
>> He's in KS City, MO, thriving, working for a HVAC company he respects and 
>> likes, and volunteering for the KS City, MO NAACP (which he described as 
>> largely idle) and for another, smaller Black rights organization, which is 
>> more active.
>>
>> From what he told me, KS City, MO is a lingering bastion of 
>> white-versus-black racism. This surprised me, even as one whose father (in 
>> but not of his place and time; hell, he married a Filipina) grew up in 
>> 1930s Jim Crow Atlanta, and one old enough to remember "Colored" gas 
>> station bathrooms and drinking fountains, and pickups with signs 
>> advertising KKK rallies on Stone Mountain, in the Decatur, GA town square. 
>>
>> Partly due to his efforts, the racist KS City, MO police chief was 
>> finally removed from office after many years.
>>
>> And this is the kicker and warms my heart: he told me that when he shows 
>> up in situations where white KS City, MO cops are hassling black citizens, 
>> "The cops just melt away."
>>
>> I don't know if this is because they know he'll cause legal, social, and 
>> political trouble, or because he instills a sense of guilt, but I expect it 
>> is at least in part because (1) he has street cred from his criminal past 
>> and jail time, (2) because no one is whiter than he, and (3) because he's 
>> just big and solid enough that you just don't mess with him.
>>
>> I wholly scorn the ideology that "white" people are intrinsically racist 
>> and that the growth of this country was driven by nothing more than 
>> white-on-black racism; racism or discrimination generally has existed 
>> across all history and cultures and ethnic groups; like the residents of 
>> Irish seacoasts sold into slavery by North African pirates, or the periodic 
>> resentment and violence against ethnic Chinese by the Malay majority in 
>> Malaysia and Indonesia; or the decades-long ethnic strife and massacres 
>> between Tamils and indigenes in Sri Lanka, or the tribal conflicts in 
>> modern black Africa.
>>
>> But there's no serious question that White versus Black hatred was more 
>> poisonous and corrosive in the US than elsewhere, helped largely by 
>> neo-Darwinist "survival of fittest" racial superiority ideologies oddly 
>> combined with perverted Old Testament "chosen people" ideologies. So my 
>> friend's success in life and society is good news amongst the general 
>> confusion and

[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Conway Bennett]

Here's a nice Ram in Chicagoland:

Rivendell Rambouillet Grant Petersen Road Bicycle Bike 62cm
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/bik/d/huntley-rivendell-rambouillet-grant/7504455612.html

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:38:29 PM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:

> That Heron is gorgeous.
> -W
>
> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Heron
>> 61cm
>> $2,000
>> Santa Montica, CA
>>
>> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3366921/
>>
>> [image: p6pb22809883.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 2:21:49 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Atlantis
>>> 56cm
>>> 1800
>>> Seattle, WA
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-atlantis/7500600207.html
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Shiny Rear Rack and Dynamo Brake Light

[Peter White]

Busch & Müller has a mount for that purpose. I call it the "T" bracket.
What's wrong with your Tubus rack?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 9:53 PM Doug H.  wrote:

> All,
> I'm looking to order the Rivendell Shiny rear rack but from the photos I
> don't see an obvious way to mount my B&M Toplight brake light. The light
> has 50mm bolt spacing. Have any of you installed one of these lights or
> other rear lights on the Shiny Rear Rack?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
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[RBW] Re: FS: Velo Orange Cockpit

[Doug H.]

SOLD. Thank you Neal.

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 11:49:27 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I have a VO cockpit that I used for a few rides on my Wabi but am now 
> selling. Velo Orange Tourist Bars, Velo Orange threadless stem (25.4 clamp, 
> 6 degree rise, 120 length), Grand Cru short pull brake levers and green 
> Oury grips. Photos here VO Cockpit 
> 
>
> Retail cost was Bars $42, Stem $35, Levers $80, Grips $20. $177 Total.
>
> Asking $100 plus actual shipping cost (PayPal F&F please). I have a box 
> that is 12"x24"x4" and shipping from zip code 30677.
>
> Doug Hansford
> Athens, Ga.
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[RBW] Re: Shiny Rear Rack and Dynamo Brake Light

[Doug H.]

Ray and Jim,
I think I could come up with a solution but was hoping there was one I 
wasn't seeing in the product photos. Thanks for the feedback.
Joe,
I had wondered if Grant was a dynamo lighting guy but it seems he's into 
battery lights. I took my first trip down dynamo lane recently and I have 
to say I like it! No charging lights now which for me is one less thing to 
remember and worry about. I'll figure it out for the Shiny Rack or maybe 
splurge for a Nitto rack.

Doug

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 11:01:40 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's funny the places you see Riv biases show up. They use rechargeable 
> lights on the bar and bag, it probably never occurred to them to put a 
> light plate on that rack. 
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:53:51 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I'm looking to order the Rivendell Shiny rear rack but from the photos I 
>> don't see an obvious way to mount my B&M Toplight brake light. The light 
>> has 50mm bolt spacing. Have any of you installed one of these lights or 
>> other rear lights on the Shiny Rear Rack?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
>

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