[RBW] WTB: Small Fabio's Chest Bag

[duh...@gmail.com]

Hi all,

Looking for a small Fabio's chest, neutral colors preferred. 

Please respond off list if you have something :)

Jared in SLO 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[J J]

Piaw, the installation in question was the fenders, not the Racer brakes, 
which are not too arduous to install. The damaged brake was a casualty of 
the mechanic ostensibly fixing a poor fender installation. And yes, 
installing fenders had seemed challenging and overly time consuming for me 
— that’s why I paid someone to do it on the Wilbury. 

But since that ordeal, I forced myself to actually install a new set of 
fenders on my Hunq to accommodate fatter tires. I’m happy to say that I now 
feel totally comfortable doing it (though they are still fussy and a pain 
to install, however easy Mark makes it look in the video. I must have 
watched it 10 times!).

Ryan, I have to give credit where it is due, and the shop owner, who works 
in a different city, was apologetic when he learned about what happened. He 
reached out to me and genuinely wanted to make things right. He committed 
to replacing the brakes. The challenge is actually *finding* new Racers, 
and so far none have appeared. (If anyone reading this has polished Racers 
they want to part with, please let me know!)

I told the owner that the mechanic seemed so enthusiastic about working on 
a Rivendell. The owner said, “and therein lies the problem. Sure, everyone 
will be bright eyed and bushy tailed about working on such a bike, but that 
does not mean they are qualified to do everything and anything on them.” I 
appreciated his forthrightness, but it raised the question of why the shop 
would assign the work to someone who wasn’t necessarily qualified to do it 
right. 

Corwin, thanks so much for your note. Your characterization of Mark’s work 
as high art is absolutely apropos. He’s also incredibly accessible and 
generous with his time, help, and advice (as is everyone I have ever 
interacted with at Rivendell).

Best wishes all. 


On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:58:36 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Here, here JJ! I agree completely. Having Mark do the build and set up my 
> bikes is one of the main reasons I buy bikes from Rivendell. Mark raises 
> wrenching on bikes to a very high form of art.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:15:28 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Believe me...I was not best pleased, you may be sure
>>
>> BTW, J J, I hope that you presented that bike shop with a bill for that 
>> rear brake you went to so much effort to find and they reimbursed you 
>> without demur. Those Paul Racers are not cheap. I see on my 2016 invoice 
>> for my mixte custom...assembled by Mark Abele (go with the best ) the 
>> Racers were 288.00. Mark's labor was 220.00 + 50.00 for fender installation 
>> , and in my opinion, worth every penny. I am more than happy to pay  top 
>> dollar for first-class work. On the other hand , the vanishing skewer 
>> probably speaks to not properly overseeing a junior mechanic's work , if 
>> I'm being charitable. I do know the shop's owner and he's a good guy who 
>> does a lot for cycling in the city, and I am reasonably sure that if I had 
>> been able to source a new rear skewer and showed him a receipt, he would 
>> have probably given me credit or cash, which would have been fine. Anyone 
>> can make a mistake; it's what the maker of the mistake does to remedy it 
>> that's important
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:54:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> That sucks about the 501 skewers, Ryan. Awful. 
>>>
>>> A local shop once serviced a bike (and did a “safety check”) and when I 
>>> picked it up I noticed that the quick release skewer springs and adjusting 
>>> nut were missing from the front wheel. They just pushed the skewer through 
>>> the axle without clamping it down.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Yikes! I would be PISSED! That's inexcusable.

 A few years ago I took in a set of wheels with Mavic 501 hubs with a 
 couple of other pairs of wheels  for some truing to a local BS and when I 
 picked them up, the rear wheel  Mavic QR skewer was inexplicably missing. 
 Just...gone. Phoned said bike shop, and no... they couldn't find it. 
 Offered a replacement skewer, and BTW , 501 skewers are not easy to 
 find...although I have not checked recently, so I just used an old Campy 
 skewer. 

 No, I'm not cool with having that bike shop do more work for me

 On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:21:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> We lost it, Joe. In the immediate aftermath, a quiet hush descended 
> over the entire shop because everyone was shocked by what happened. And 
> then it was like, wtf?!? 
>
> The shop's first response was an unsatisfying and defensive, "it was 
> an honest mistake," and they would have been content to settle it with a 
> mere apology. After a lot of negotiation, the shop agreed to reimburse 
> for 
> labor and to replace the brakes — but good luck finding polished (or any 
> other finish) NOS Racers. It's been 

[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto RBW51 rack, needs longer front struts $120 shipped

[Joe Bernard]

All the way sold, sorry! 

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 6:51:45 PM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Darn it!  I missed the opportunity and sure would like one of these.  Joe, 
> if the sale falls through, let me know.
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:30:04 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> SOLD, pending and whatnot and such as. 
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:31:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Very good condition, the bag that rested on it didn't cause any wear and 
>>> apparently I never leaned it on a wall..kickstands are good!
>>>
>>> The rear struts are cut to 36cm. The fronts got swapped to the used 33R 
>>> I just bought and that rack's shorties are now on the RBW51 as place 
>>> holders, you'll need new struts or a diving board there. 
>>>
>>> $120 shipped  
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>> text 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: Riv "beater" or "beausage" bike/frame

[Joe Mullins]

I have a hard time accepting the first few dings on my bikes and therefor I 
baby the crap out of them! I had an MB-2 as my "beater" bike but it was way 
too nice to be a beater bike so I sold it to someone who grew up with a 
father who had the exact same bike. I'd say it found its right home. 

I remember a few months back that someone was selling an Atlantis up in WA 
state for like $500. It looked like it had been sitting in the backyard for 
years. I remember wishing I knew someone up there to go snag it for me as 
I'd love a bike that wouldn't devastate me if it got stolen but is also 
enjoyable to ride. I avoid riding in certain situations because of fear of 
getting my nice shiny Riv stolen. 

So I'm wondering if someone has a worn out, possibly needing repair, beat 
to crap or otherwise not getting used Riv that would fit someone with an 85 
PBH that they'd be willing to let go of for a steal! I'm not sure if a 
"beater" Riv exists since the wear and tear is just beausage! Regardless, I 
thought I'd through this out there. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 Grilver FFHS

[Paul Choi]

This frame takes 650b wheels. 

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:47:58 PM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:

> Another picture attached. 
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:20:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> I purchased this frame from the original owner last year. It had a chain 
>> suck mishap under his ownership. The right chainstay was dented and the 
>> touch up job was really bad. The seat post has been scratched up from 
>> adjustments. The frame and fork are in good condition otherwise. I took all 
>> the parts from this bike for my new Rosco. $700 plus shipping. I tried to 
>> attach more pictures but I got the message, pictures were too large? I'm in 
>> the South Bay if you want to do a pickup. DM for more close up pictures of 
>> the damaged area. [image: Clem H 1.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[Corwin Zechar]

I have a pair of Park cable cutters - bought about ten years ago. Then I 
saw Mark Abele using Felco cable cutters. The Felco are not cheap, but they 
cut Yokozuna Reaction cable housing rather handily this week.

Regards,

Corwin

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 8:19:17 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Richard, I have used mine a few times and it cut cleanly. Design reminds 
> me of the Felco cable cutter which costs several times as much. Steve
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 3:42 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> Anyone using this tool? I assume it works on cable housing as well as 
>> inner cables? It does not seem to have the "un-crimping" function of the 
>> Park tool but its only $20.00. The Pedro tool looks ok also. What are folks 
>> using? 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[Corwin Zechar]

Here, here JJ! I agree completely. Having Mark do the build and set up my 
bikes is one of the main reasons I buy bikes from Rivendell. Mark raises 
wrenching on bikes to a very high form of art.

Regards,

Corwin

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:15:28 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Believe me...I was not best pleased, you may be sure
>
> BTW, J J, I hope that you presented that bike shop with a bill for that 
> rear brake you went to so much effort to find and they reimbursed you 
> without demur. Those Paul Racers are not cheap. I see on my 2016 invoice 
> for my mixte custom...assembled by Mark Abele (go with the best ) the 
> Racers were 288.00. Mark's labor was 220.00 + 50.00 for fender installation 
> , and in my opinion, worth every penny. I am more than happy to pay  top 
> dollar for first-class work. On the other hand , the vanishing skewer 
> probably speaks to not properly overseeing a junior mechanic's work , if 
> I'm being charitable. I do know the shop's owner and he's a good guy who 
> does a lot for cycling in the city, and I am reasonably sure that if I had 
> been able to source a new rear skewer and showed him a receipt, he would 
> have probably given me credit or cash, which would have been fine. Anyone 
> can make a mistake; it's what the maker of the mistake does to remedy it 
> that's important
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:54:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> That sucks about the 501 skewers, Ryan. Awful. 
>>
>> A local shop once serviced a bike (and did a “safety check”) and when I 
>> picked it up I noticed that the quick release skewer springs and adjusting 
>> nut were missing from the front wheel. They just pushed the skewer through 
>> the axle without clamping it down.
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Yikes! I would be PISSED! That's inexcusable.
>>>
>>> A few years ago I took in a set of wheels with Mavic 501 hubs with a 
>>> couple of other pairs of wheels  for some truing to a local BS and when I 
>>> picked them up, the rear wheel  Mavic QR skewer was inexplicably missing. 
>>> Just...gone. Phoned said bike shop, and no... they couldn't find it. 
>>> Offered a replacement skewer, and BTW , 501 skewers are not easy to 
>>> find...although I have not checked recently, so I just used an old Campy 
>>> skewer. 
>>>
>>> No, I'm not cool with having that bike shop do more work for me
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:21:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 We lost it, Joe. In the immediate aftermath, a quiet hush descended 
 over the entire shop because everyone was shocked by what happened. And 
 then it was like, wtf?!? 

 The shop's first response was an unsatisfying and defensive, "it was an 
 honest mistake," and they would have been content to settle it with a mere 
 apology. After a lot of negotiation, the shop agreed to reimburse for 
 labor 
 and to replace the brakes — but good luck finding polished (or any other 
 finish) NOS Racers. It's been three months since it happened and I've 
 heard 
 nothing but crickets. So I was super pleased with Eric's message about 
 Paul 
 Component resuming Racer production.

 It had taken me nine months to find the brakes — scouring the 
 interwebs, cold calling dozens of bike shops all over the country, putting 
 out WTB posts. Finally a set appeared in an eBay auction listing. I 
 preempted the auction by offering the seller a (very) pretty penny for 
 them. I wanted those brakes.

 Now... I have not lost perspective. This ordeal was upsetting, but it 
 was not an issue of grave existential importance. Still, these things 
 matter to bike nerds and to nerds in the making.

 Getting back to the original theme of this thread, I'll reiterate that 
 if I had the option, I would gladly and enthusiastically pay Rivendell to 
 do any frame prep, builds, etc. over any of my local bike shops, even if 
 it 
 meant waiting a while.

 On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:36 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Indeed. That's really appalling. I'm so glad my LBS is competent like 
> that and would tell me if they can't actually do the work. T
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:05:04 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> That's appalling, I would have LOST it if someone did this to my 
>> (very expensive) Paul brakes. They owe you a new Racer. 
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, just noticed your note on this week-old thread, Piaw. Yes, I 
>>> totally agree that anyone can make mistakes. I also think there is a 
>>> big 
>>> difference between a genuinely innocent mistake and negligence, 
>>> recklessness, or incompetence. (Ignoring specific instructions that 
>>> were in 
>>> earshot of the entire shop is an unfortunate instance of negligence.)

[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto RBW51 rack, needs longer front struts $120 shipped

[JAS]

Darn it!  I missed the opportunity and sure would like one of these.  Joe, 
if the sale falls through, let me know.

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:30:04 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> SOLD, pending and whatnot and such as. 
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:31:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Very good condition, the bag that rested on it didn't cause any wear and 
>> apparently I never leaned it on a wall..kickstands are good!
>>
>> The rear struts are cut to 36cm. The fronts got swapped to the used 33R I 
>> just bought and that rack's shorties are now on the RBW51 as place holders, 
>> you'll need new struts or a diving board there. 
>>
>> $120 shipped  
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Joe Bernard 
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>> text 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: some choice Paul/Nitto parts horde

[Alex Wirth]

Pink skewers and boxcar stem are gone

On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 1:36 PM Alex Wirth <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Silver thumbies are gone
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 2:30 PM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
> 4824...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Crankset is gone
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[RBW] Re: All Time Best Paint Color

[Keith P.]

Leah: No purchase yet, but he was making a good case for one riding around 
in the parking lot.

Franklyn: Both of those Blues! Outstanding.

k.

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-7 sin...@msn.com wrote:

> I still think the original Romulus color is one of the best there was! 
> Here is one example when I owned it: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/324768705/in/album-72157600050554321/
>
> I also got it repainted at one point and it turned out really well, though 
> obviously it wasn't a stock paint job (though it was by the designated 
> painter for Riv at the time): 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/447923553/in/album-72157600050554321/
>
> Franklyn
>
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 4:08:42 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been going down the archive rabbit hole and am curious of the 
>> bunch's thoughts (opinions).
>>
>> *What is the best factory Rivendell paint color to date?*
>>
>> Give me your hot takes - and photos if you've got 'em.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

Since I didn't REALLY want to mangle the pods, I decided to dremed the 
square centered washer spacers. A few minutes carefullt carving on each and 
I got the stopper washers to fit over the indexing alignment bump.

Here's hoping for the best on my ride this evening. 
I really live in a charmed world... Amixing shifting on the downtube where 
I have to lean dow a couple inches vs quick-access bar end with MAYBE a bit 
of bonus friction from the housing. 

Cheers!
Ben

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> The half-round function is to locate the indexing function of the indexing 
> shifters correctly. Not strictly necessary, but it makes it impossible to 
> install an indexing shifter incorrectly - idiot proofing. It is easily 
> removed with a file or Dremel to allow silver or Dia-Compe friction 
> shifters to be installed.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:00:01 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> More shifter nerd talk!
>>  
>> Attemped to mount the silver shifter onto the shimano pod this morning 
>> and ran into a snag. Many of you probably know this, but if not, here's the 
>> deal.
>>
>> Here's a photo of the Shimano Pod. Thanks Park Tool!
>> https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/barendshifter44.jpg
>>
>> There is a little extra half-circle of metal on the little square area 
>> where one fits a spacer/washer. The shimano spacer fits right over it. The 
>> standard square-hole washer does not. Riv obviously knows ths=is because 
>> their silver pods do not have this half-circle.
>>
>> The only reason I can fathom why this is there is to make the Shimano 
>> pods not be compatible wiuth other bands of shift levers. They probably 
>> don't want people futzing around. I believe I can dremel that half-circle 
>> off and fit my washer, and it will also not affect the shimano performance 
>> in any way if I want to put the Shimano shifters back on. 
>>
>> For now, I will remain a downtube shifter user and see if/when I go crazy 
>> ;)
>>
>> Ben
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am with you Ben! First 20+ mile ride with the Silver thumbie rear. 
>>> Shifting is buttery smooth - love it! It is so responsive & precise feeling.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>
>>> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
>>> However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and 
>>> I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
>>> gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, and 
>>> tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT boss 
>>> an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And the 
>>> direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 
>>>
>>> So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try 
>>> mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>
 I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, front 
 shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  You can 
 just leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a neater 
 appearance

 On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>
> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>
> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my 
> first configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It 
> was kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved 
> the 
> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>
> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had 
> previously used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, 
> I 
> have a front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were 
> always getting in the way of the front stuff.
>
> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install 
> works great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance 
> is 
> pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
> configurations.
>
> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering 
> if I should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or 
> try downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
>
> Let's chat!
> Ben
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto RBW51 rack, needs longer front struts $120 shipped

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD, pending and whatnot and such as. 

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:31:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Very good condition, the bag that rested on it didn't cause any wear and 
> apparently I never leaned it on a wall..kickstands are good!
>
> The rear struts are cut to 36cm. The fronts got swapped to the used 33R I 
> just bought and that rack's shorties are now on the RBW51 as place holders, 
> you'll need new struts or a diving board there. 
>
> $120 shipped  
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard 
> joeremi62 gmail com
> text 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>

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[RBW] Re: 57cm lugged Roadini Protovelo

[Max S]

What a beauty! 

- Max "if I weren't up to my ears in bikes with medium- / long-reach 
brakes..." in A2 

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:23:37 PM UTC-4 amill...@gmail.com wrote:

> Accepting offers. Let’s get this go fast, lugged beauty to a happy owner. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[Ryan]

Believe me...I was not best pleased, you may be sure

BTW, J J, I hope that you presented that bike shop with a bill for that 
rear brake you went to so much effort to find and they reimbursed you 
without demur. Those Paul Racers are not cheap. I see on my 2016 invoice 
for my mixte custom...assembled by Mark Abele (go with the best ) the 
Racers were 288.00. Mark's labor was 220.00 + 50.00 for fender installation 
, and in my opinion, worth every penny. I am more than happy to pay  top 
dollar for first-class work. On the other hand , the vanishing skewer 
probably speaks to not properly overseeing a junior mechanic's work , if 
I'm being charitable. I do know the shop's owner and he's a good guy who 
does a lot for cycling in the city, and I am reasonably sure that if I had 
been able to source a new rear skewer and showed him a receipt, he would 
have probably given me credit or cash, which would have been fine. Anyone 
can make a mistake; it's what the maker of the mistake does to remedy it 
that's important

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:54:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> That sucks about the 501 skewers, Ryan. Awful. 
>
> A local shop once serviced a bike (and did a “safety check”) and when I 
> picked it up I noticed that the quick release skewer springs and adjusting 
> nut were missing from the front wheel. They just pushed the skewer through 
> the axle without clamping it down.
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Yikes! I would be PISSED! That's inexcusable.
>>
>> A few years ago I took in a set of wheels with Mavic 501 hubs with a 
>> couple of other pairs of wheels  for some truing to a local BS and when I 
>> picked them up, the rear wheel  Mavic QR skewer was inexplicably missing. 
>> Just...gone. Phoned said bike shop, and no... they couldn't find it. 
>> Offered a replacement skewer, and BTW , 501 skewers are not easy to 
>> find...although I have not checked recently, so I just used an old Campy 
>> skewer. 
>>
>> No, I'm not cool with having that bike shop do more work for me
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:21:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> We lost it, Joe. In the immediate aftermath, a quiet hush descended over 
>>> the entire shop because everyone was shocked by what happened. And then it 
>>> was like, wtf?!? 
>>>
>>> The shop's first response was an unsatisfying and defensive, "it was an 
>>> honest mistake," and they would have been content to settle it with a mere 
>>> apology. After a lot of negotiation, the shop agreed to reimburse for labor 
>>> and to replace the brakes — but good luck finding polished (or any other 
>>> finish) NOS Racers. It's been three months since it happened and I've heard 
>>> nothing but crickets. So I was super pleased with Eric's message about Paul 
>>> Component resuming Racer production.
>>>
>>> It had taken me nine months to find the brakes — scouring the interwebs, 
>>> cold calling dozens of bike shops all over the country, putting out WTB 
>>> posts. Finally a set appeared in an eBay auction listing. I preempted the 
>>> auction by offering the seller a (very) pretty penny for them. I wanted 
>>> those brakes.
>>>
>>> Now... I have not lost perspective. This ordeal was upsetting, but it 
>>> was not an issue of grave existential importance. Still, these things 
>>> matter to bike nerds and to nerds in the making.
>>>
>>> Getting back to the original theme of this thread, I'll reiterate that 
>>> if I had the option, I would gladly and enthusiastically pay Rivendell to 
>>> do any frame prep, builds, etc. over any of my local bike shops, even if it 
>>> meant waiting a while.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:36 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Indeed. That's really appalling. I'm so glad my LBS is competent like 
 that and would tell me if they can't actually do the work. T

 On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:05:04 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That's appalling, I would have LOST it if someone did this to my (very 
> expensive) Paul brakes. They owe you a new Racer. 
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Sorry, just noticed your note on this week-old thread, Piaw. Yes, I 
>> totally agree that anyone can make mistakes. I also think there is a big 
>> difference between a genuinely innocent mistake and negligence, 
>> recklessness, or incompetence. (Ignoring specific instructions that were 
>> in 
>> earshot of the entire shop is an unfortunate instance of negligence.)
>>
>>  Where you draw the line is debatable and depends on circumstances. 
>> For me the big gash, scratches, and dings on brand new brakes, as shown 
>> in 
>> the attached pic, unequivocably cross the line. The mechanic attempted 
>> to 
>> bend the fender hanger tab with pliers while pushing off the brake 
>> bridge 
>> and arm, using them as leverage, as the entire shop 

Re: [RBW] help identify a small part and a source for it

[Mike Godwin]

I use these nylon spacers from Ace Hardware, though the link is for 
Granger  Spacers - Grainger Industrial Supply 


Mike SLO CA

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 6:17:04 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Thanks Mike and Eric!
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:52 PM UTC-4 eric swain wrote:
>
>> Serrated brake caliper washer. Most shops should have them. Presta valve 
>> nuts would work for your application as well.
>>
>>
>> https://www.benscycle.com/tektro-serrated-brake-washer--6-1x13-3-sb-silver-caliper-brake-part-tektro-24558-br7205/p?idsku=632011=CjwKCAjwyaWZBhBGEiwACslQo9dCDIEVn6kOCMX9vv3ySQKzgF2rR0IYMRmsnXOH7KsAyqFBGbCQSxoCRhMQAvD_BwE
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 8:42:29 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like the concave washers that come on most brake pad hardware. The 
>>> LBS may have a pile of them. Or buy cheap brake pads just for the washers.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 7:35 PM, J J  wrote:
>>>
>>> [image: washers spacers knurled.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve tried in vain to find these locally. I ask for “funky textured lock 
>>> washers/spacers” but folks in local shops look at me funny even when I show 
>>> them the attached pic. So my terminology is clearly technically incorrect! 
>>> It’s a mystery. Riv used many of them on this Glorius build. I’d very much 
>>> appreciate help knowing what they’re called and where I can procure some. 
>>> They do their job very well. Thanks!
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[J J]

That sucks about the 501 skewers, Ryan. Awful. 

A local shop once serviced a bike (and did a “safety check”) and when I 
picked it up I noticed that the quick release skewer springs and adjusting 
nut were missing from the front wheel. They just pushed the skewer through 
the axle without clamping it down.

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Yikes! I would be PISSED! That's inexcusable.
>
> A few years ago I took in a set of wheels with Mavic 501 hubs with a 
> couple of other pairs of wheels  for some truing to a local BS and when I 
> picked them up, the rear wheel  Mavic QR skewer was inexplicably missing. 
> Just...gone. Phoned said bike shop, and no... they couldn't find it. 
> Offered a replacement skewer, and BTW , 501 skewers are not easy to 
> find...although I have not checked recently, so I just used an old Campy 
> skewer. 
>
> No, I'm not cool with having that bike shop do more work for me
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:21:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> We lost it, Joe. In the immediate aftermath, a quiet hush descended over 
>> the entire shop because everyone was shocked by what happened. And then it 
>> was like, wtf?!? 
>>
>> The shop's first response was an unsatisfying and defensive, "it was an 
>> honest mistake," and they would have been content to settle it with a mere 
>> apology. After a lot of negotiation, the shop agreed to reimburse for labor 
>> and to replace the brakes — but good luck finding polished (or any other 
>> finish) NOS Racers. It's been three months since it happened and I've heard 
>> nothing but crickets. So I was super pleased with Eric's message about Paul 
>> Component resuming Racer production.
>>
>> It had taken me nine months to find the brakes — scouring the interwebs, 
>> cold calling dozens of bike shops all over the country, putting out WTB 
>> posts. Finally a set appeared in an eBay auction listing. I preempted the 
>> auction by offering the seller a (very) pretty penny for them. I wanted 
>> those brakes.
>>
>> Now... I have not lost perspective. This ordeal was upsetting, but it was 
>> not an issue of grave existential importance. Still, these things matter to 
>> bike nerds and to nerds in the making.
>>
>> Getting back to the original theme of this thread, I'll reiterate that if 
>> I had the option, I would gladly and enthusiastically pay Rivendell to do 
>> any frame prep, builds, etc. over any of my local bike shops, even if it 
>> meant waiting a while.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:36 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed. That's really appalling. I'm so glad my LBS is competent like 
>>> that and would tell me if they can't actually do the work. T
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:05:04 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 That's appalling, I would have LOST it if someone did this to my (very 
 expensive) Paul brakes. They owe you a new Racer. 

 On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Sorry, just noticed your note on this week-old thread, Piaw. Yes, I 
> totally agree that anyone can make mistakes. I also think there is a big 
> difference between a genuinely innocent mistake and negligence, 
> recklessness, or incompetence. (Ignoring specific instructions that were 
> in 
> earshot of the entire shop is an unfortunate instance of negligence.)
>
>  Where you draw the line is debatable and depends on circumstances. 
> For me the big gash, scratches, and dings on brand new brakes, as shown 
> in 
> the attached pic, unequivocably cross the line. The mechanic attempted to 
> bend the fender hanger tab with pliers while pushing off the brake bridge 
> and arm, using them as leverage, as the entire shop looked on with shock, 
> and despite the fact that he was asked to do it properly. It wouldn't 
> have 
> been as big a deal if the Racers were readily available (as they 
> evidently 
> will be again in a few months), but this shouldn't have happened 
> regardless. 
>
> [image: IMG_6141.jpg]   
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:15:28 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone can make mistakes. When we got my wife's Rivendell-assembled 
>> Cheviot a few years back, I ended up having to re-tighten the FD, and 
>> had 
>> to adjust the shifters several times. It's not a big deal. I'd be a lot 
>> less forgiving of frame prep failures. I'm a good enough mechanic that I 
>> can build wheels myself (and used to teach wheel-building workshops), 
>> but 
>> my definite preference is for parts and bikes that are "fire and 
>> forget". 
>> But I'm also blessed to have good mechanics at LBSes for times when I 
>> can't 
>> or don't have time to fix something myself. I still try to do work 
>> myself 
>> since frequently they're much more aggressive about replacing 

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[藍俊彪]

Are the Paul's brakes particularly hard to install yourself? One reason why
I'm such an adamant adherent of the sidepull caliper is that it's
impossible to install wrong. I sold my Heron touring bike with Paul's Neo
Retros cantilever brakes in 2007 to a colleague of mine. She got another
friend to help build the bike up. He started the evening saying to her,
"Piaw has an irrational dislike of cantilever brakes." 4 hours later, he
was swearing at them and saying, "Ok, maybe not so irrational..."

On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 12:21 PM Ryan  wrote:

> Yikes! I would be PISSED! That's inexcusable.
>
> A few years ago I took in a set of wheels with Mavic 501 hubs with a
> couple of other pairs of wheels  for some truing to a local BS and when I
> picked them up, the rear wheel  Mavic QR skewer was inexplicably missing.
> Just...gone. Phoned said bike shop, and no... they couldn't find it.
> Offered a replacement skewer, and BTW , 501 skewers are not easy to
> find...although I have not checked recently, so I just used an old Campy
> skewer.
>
> No, I'm not cool with having that bike shop do more work for me
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:21:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> We lost it, Joe. In the immediate aftermath, a quiet hush descended over
>> the entire shop because everyone was shocked by what happened. And then it
>> was like, wtf?!?
>>
>> The shop's first response was an unsatisfying and defensive, "it was an
>> honest mistake," and they would have been content to settle it with a mere
>> apology. After a lot of negotiation, the shop agreed to reimburse for labor
>> and to replace the brakes — but good luck finding polished (or any other
>> finish) NOS Racers. It's been three months since it happened and I've heard
>> nothing but crickets. So I was super pleased with Eric's message about Paul
>> Component resuming Racer production.
>>
>> It had taken me nine months to find the brakes — scouring the interwebs,
>> cold calling dozens of bike shops all over the country, putting out WTB
>> posts. Finally a set appeared in an eBay auction listing. I preempted the
>> auction by offering the seller a (very) pretty penny for them. I wanted
>> those brakes.
>>
>> Now... I have not lost perspective. This ordeal was upsetting, but it was
>> not an issue of grave existential importance. Still, these things matter to
>> bike nerds and to nerds in the making.
>>
>> Getting back to the original theme of this thread, I'll reiterate that if
>> I had the option, I would gladly and enthusiastically pay Rivendell to do
>> any frame prep, builds, etc. over any of my local bike shops, even if it
>> meant waiting a while.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:36 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed. That's really appalling. I'm so glad my LBS is competent like
>>> that and would tell me if they can't actually do the work. T
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:05:04 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 That's appalling, I would have LOST it if someone did this to my (very
 expensive) Paul brakes. They owe you a new Racer.

 On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Sorry, just noticed your note on this week-old thread, Piaw. Yes, I
> totally agree that anyone can make mistakes. I also think there is a big
> difference between a genuinely innocent mistake and negligence,
> recklessness, or incompetence. (Ignoring specific instructions that were 
> in
> earshot of the entire shop is an unfortunate instance of negligence.)
>
>  Where you draw the line is debatable and depends on circumstances.
> For me the big gash, scratches, and dings on brand new brakes, as shown in
> the attached pic, unequivocably cross the line. The mechanic attempted to
> bend the fender hanger tab with pliers while pushing off the brake bridge
> and arm, using them as leverage, as the entire shop looked on with shock,
> and despite the fact that he was asked to do it properly. It wouldn't have
> been as big a deal if the Racers were readily available (as they evidently
> will be again in a few months), but this shouldn't have happened
> regardless.
>
> [image: IMG_6141.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:15:28 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone can make mistakes. When we got my wife's Rivendell-assembled
>> Cheviot a few years back, I ended up having to re-tighten the FD, and had
>> to adjust the shifters several times. It's not a big deal. I'd be a lot
>> less forgiving of frame prep failures. I'm a good enough mechanic that I
>> can build wheels myself (and used to teach wheel-building workshops), but
>> my definite preference is for parts and bikes that are "fire and forget".
>> But I'm also blessed to have good mechanics at LBSes for times when I 
>> can't
>> or don't have time to fix something myself. I still try to do work myself

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[Ryan]

Yikes! I would be PISSED! That's inexcusable.

A few years ago I took in a set of wheels with Mavic 501 hubs with a couple 
of other pairs of wheels  for some truing to a local BS and when I picked 
them up, the rear wheel  Mavic QR skewer was inexplicably missing. 
Just...gone. Phoned said bike shop, and no... they couldn't find it. 
Offered a replacement skewer, and BTW , 501 skewers are not easy to 
find...although I have not checked recently, so I just used an old Campy 
skewer. 

No, I'm not cool with having that bike shop do more work for me

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:21:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> We lost it, Joe. In the immediate aftermath, a quiet hush descended over 
> the entire shop because everyone was shocked by what happened. And then it 
> was like, wtf?!? 
>
> The shop's first response was an unsatisfying and defensive, "it was an 
> honest mistake," and they would have been content to settle it with a mere 
> apology. After a lot of negotiation, the shop agreed to reimburse for labor 
> and to replace the brakes — but good luck finding polished (or any other 
> finish) NOS Racers. It's been three months since it happened and I've heard 
> nothing but crickets. So I was super pleased with Eric's message about Paul 
> Component resuming Racer production.
>
> It had taken me nine months to find the brakes — scouring the interwebs, 
> cold calling dozens of bike shops all over the country, putting out WTB 
> posts. Finally a set appeared in an eBay auction listing. I preempted the 
> auction by offering the seller a (very) pretty penny for them. I wanted 
> those brakes.
>
> Now... I have not lost perspective. This ordeal was upsetting, but it was 
> not an issue of grave existential importance. Still, these things matter to 
> bike nerds and to nerds in the making.
>
> Getting back to the original theme of this thread, I'll reiterate that if 
> I had the option, I would gladly and enthusiastically pay Rivendell to do 
> any frame prep, builds, etc. over any of my local bike shops, even if it 
> meant waiting a while.
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:36 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Indeed. That's really appalling. I'm so glad my LBS is competent like 
>> that and would tell me if they can't actually do the work. T
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:05:04 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> That's appalling, I would have LOST it if someone did this to my (very 
>>> expensive) Paul brakes. They owe you a new Racer. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>>
 Sorry, just noticed your note on this week-old thread, Piaw. Yes, I 
 totally agree that anyone can make mistakes. I also think there is a big 
 difference between a genuinely innocent mistake and negligence, 
 recklessness, or incompetence. (Ignoring specific instructions that were 
 in 
 earshot of the entire shop is an unfortunate instance of negligence.)

  Where you draw the line is debatable and depends on circumstances. For 
 me the big gash, scratches, and dings on brand new brakes, as shown in the 
 attached pic, unequivocably cross the line. The mechanic attempted to bend 
 the fender hanger tab with pliers while pushing off the brake bridge and 
 arm, using them as leverage, as the entire shop looked on with shock, and 
 despite the fact that he was asked to do it properly. It wouldn't have 
 been 
 as big a deal if the Racers were readily available (as they evidently will 
 be again in a few months), but this shouldn't have happened regardless. 

 [image: IMG_6141.jpg]   

 On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:15:28 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Anyone can make mistakes. When we got my wife's Rivendell-assembled 
> Cheviot a few years back, I ended up having to re-tighten the FD, and had 
> to adjust the shifters several times. It's not a big deal. I'd be a lot 
> less forgiving of frame prep failures. I'm a good enough mechanic that I 
> can build wheels myself (and used to teach wheel-building workshops), but 
> my definite preference is for parts and bikes that are "fire and forget". 
> But I'm also blessed to have good mechanics at LBSes for times when I 
> can't 
> or don't have time to fix something myself. I still try to do work myself 
> since frequently they're much more aggressive about replacing parts like 
> brake pads too early than I am.
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 9:39:10 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> I would happily pay extra for Riv to prep a frame. I have absolute 
>> confidence in their work. There are lots of bike shops in my area that I 
>> have gone to when I didn’t have the time, tools, or inclination to do 
>> work 
>> myself. I’m stunned by how consistently they can be counted on for 
>> sloppy 
>> work — or worse. 
>>
>> The most recent 

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[J J]

Thanks for your note, Andy. I agree 100 percent. 

My partner *did* *intervene* before the damage occurred, asking the 
mechanic to put the bike on a stand and take the wheel off. He ignored her.

“Honest mistake”. Ugh. 

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:54:59 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> More saintly than I would have been if standing there. 
>
> "Honest mistake" is the rationalization of a good samaritan not someone 
> with access to tools holding themself out as a mechanic. What was described 
> was a task in need of being done right by someone who didn't do so in the 
> first place. Instead of acknowledging their corner-cutting, inadequate 
> effort or skill by carefully doing it right the second time, they applied 
> the same slapdash degree of "wrenching". I would have called them out and 
> stopped things when pliers and a big screwdriver appeared. 
>
> What do people like that intend to do with any time they save by doing 
> work so poorly? 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 3:21:29 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> We lost it, Joe. In the immediate aftermath, a quiet hush descended over 
>> the entire shop because everyone was shocked by what happened. And then it 
>> was like, wtf?!? 
>>
>> The shop's first response was an unsatisfying and defensive, "it was an 
>> honest mistake," and they would have been content to settle it with a mere 
>> apology. After a lot of negotiation, the shop agreed to reimburse for labor 
>> and to replace the brakes — but good luck finding polished (or any other 
>> finish) NOS Racers. It's been three months since it happened and I've heard 
>> nothing but crickets. So I was super pleased with Eric's message about Paul 
>> Component resuming Racer production.
>>
>> It had taken me nine months to find the brakes — scouring the interwebs, 
>> cold calling dozens of bike shops all over the country, putting out WTB 
>> posts. Finally a set appeared in an eBay auction listing. I preempted the 
>> auction by offering the seller a (very) pretty penny for them. I wanted 
>> those brakes.
>>
>> Now... I have not lost perspective. This ordeal was upsetting, but it was 
>> not an issue of grave existential importance. Still, these things matter to 
>> bike nerds and to nerds in the making.
>>
>> Getting back to the original theme of this thread, I'll reiterate that if 
>> I had the option, I would gladly and enthusiastically pay Rivendell to do 
>> any frame prep, builds, etc. over any of my local bike shops, even if it 
>> meant waiting a while.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:36 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed. That's really appalling. I'm so glad my LBS is competent like 
>>> that and would tell me if they can't actually do the work. T
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:05:04 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 That's appalling, I would have LOST it if someone did this to my (very 
 expensive) Paul brakes. They owe you a new Racer. 

 On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Sorry, just noticed your note on this week-old thread, Piaw. Yes, I 
> totally agree that anyone can make mistakes. I also think there is a big 
> difference between a genuinely innocent mistake and negligence, 
> recklessness, or incompetence. (Ignoring specific instructions that were 
> in 
> earshot of the entire shop is an unfortunate instance of negligence.)
>
>  Where you draw the line is debatable and depends on circumstances. 
> For me the big gash, scratches, and dings on brand new brakes, as shown 
> in 
> the attached pic, unequivocably cross the line. The mechanic attempted to 
> bend the fender hanger tab with pliers while pushing off the brake bridge 
> and arm, using them as leverage, as the entire shop looked on with shock, 
> and despite the fact that he was asked to do it properly. It wouldn't 
> have 
> been as big a deal if the Racers were readily available (as they 
> evidently 
> will be again in a few months), but this shouldn't have happened 
> regardless. 
>
> [image: IMG_6141.jpg]   
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:15:28 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone can make mistakes. When we got my wife's Rivendell-assembled 
>> Cheviot a few years back, I ended up having to re-tighten the FD, and 
>> had 
>> to adjust the shifters several times. It's not a big deal. I'd be a lot 
>> less forgiving of frame prep failures. I'm a good enough mechanic that I 
>> can build wheels myself (and used to teach wheel-building workshops), 
>> but 
>> my definite preference is for parts and bikes that are "fire and 
>> forget". 
>> But I'm also blessed to have good mechanics at LBSes for times when I 
>> can't 
>> or don't have time to fix something myself. I still try to do work 
>> myself 
>> since frequently 

[RBW] Re: Handlebars, Acorn Bag, Stem

[Matthew Williams]

Bump! Items still available:


Nitto Technomic stem
110mm x 22.2, for 25.4 bars
Used, in good condition
$50 + $15 shipping


Nitto B901R Bullmoose 
CroMo
Used, in excellent condition
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[RBW] Re: All Time Best Paint Color

[Franklyn Wu]

I still think the original Romulus color is one of the best there was! Here 
is one example when I owned 
it: https://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/324768705/in/album-72157600050554321/

I also got it repainted at one point and it turned out really well, though 
obviously it wasn't a stock paint job (though it was by the designated 
painter for Riv at the 
time): 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/447923553/in/album-72157600050554321/

Franklyn

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 4:08:42 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

>
> I've been going down the archive rabbit hole and am curious of the bunch's 
> thoughts (opinions).
>
> *What is the best factory Rivendell paint color to date?*
>
> Give me your hot takes - and photos if you've got 'em.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: some choice Paul/Nitto parts horde

[Alex Wirth]

Silver thumbies are gone

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 2:30 PM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
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[RBW] Re: 57cm lugged Roadini Protovelo

[amillhench]

Accepting offers. Let’s get this go fast, lugged beauty to a happy owner. 

Best,

Aaron in El Paso 

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Re: [RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[Steven Sweedler]

Richard, I have used mine a few times and it cut cleanly. Design reminds me
of the Felco cable cutter which costs several times as much. Steve

On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 3:42 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

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> inner cables? It does not seem to have the "un-crimping" function of the
> Park tool but its only $20.00. The Pedro tool looks ok also. What are folks
> using?
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[RBW] Re: Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[Nick Anderson]

I've been using it, and it's great. Much better than the cheapo red-handled 
ones I got on Amazon a while back. 

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 9:42:05 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

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> inner cables? It does not seem to have the "un-crimping" function of the 
> Park tool but its only $20.00. The Pedro tool looks ok also. What are folks 
> using?

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[RBW] Riv Hobson - Zingo cable cutter

[Richard Rose]

Anyone using this tool? I assume it works on cable housing as well as inner 
cables? It does not seem to have the "un-crimping" function of the Park 
tool but its only $20.00. The Pedro tool looks ok also. What are folks 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

[Daniel MacPherson]

Bike is sold. I decided to ship it. Not a lot of Rivendell owners in 
Northeast Florida..


On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:01:37 AM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just have a shop box and ship it, I’m sure someone would pay the extra for 
> that deal. I’d jump on it if I didn’t have one already! I can’t imagine 
> selling mine though. 
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:51:24 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Oh, and your Susie is beautiful! very tempting ;)
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:50:40 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying my best to avoid shipping, but if it doesn't sell soon I'll 
>>> ship. 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 10:45 AM maxcr  wrote:
>>>
 Are you still thinking local only? I hate shipping bikes, but I imagine 
 that would open up the demand side :)

 On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson 
 wrote:

> I'm Bumping this thread and lowering the price to $2450. Any takers?
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> R10, Analog has them. 
>>
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/nitto-r-10-rear-bag-support
>>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-7 
>> row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes? 
 It's gorgeous, somebody go get it! 

 On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel 
 MacPherson wrote:

> Hello!
>
> After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie 
> Longbolts . I built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer 
> my 
> prior commuter better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so 
> local 
> pickup only in the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple 
> of 
> hours with the bike to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of 
> around 200 
> miles or so. 
>
> Specs Below
> Susie Large Frame - Orange
> SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
> SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
> Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
> Billie Bar
> Nitto Technomic Stem
> Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
> Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
> Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring. 
> Avid  7 V-Brakes
> Brooks B17 Saddle
> Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.
>
> I'm asking $2600.
> Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI
>
> Daniel MacPherson
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[John Moore]

Saddles are a very personal choice. What fits one may not fit another thus I 
tread lightly into this topic. 

Personally, been riding Fizik Alicantes for years. By far the most comfortable 
saddle on my road bikes. Do have a Prologo nago on my MTB which is quite nice 
as well. 

Caveat: But what works for you is unlikely to be what works for me. 

John

> On Sep 23, 2022, at 8:17 AM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Ben -- most saddles are arc-shaped and I like flat saddles. I 
> really liked my Velo Orange wide touring saddle. It's firm but not too firm 
> and has a rubbery texture. Bag loops are a plus. I find this saddle to be not 
> breathable enough for me (I don't wear bike shorts). My current saddle is a 
> Selle Anatomica H2.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Shipping / packing question

[Bill Schairer]

Best practice would be to remove the rear derailleur.  For future 
reference, I shipped and checked my Atlantis with Gordon racks front and 
rear as well as a Nitto decaleur rack and fenders all intact by using an 
electric bike box, which is larger and much sturdier than the more typical 
bike boxes.  Bike shop did the same shipping it home to me at end of tour.  
Disassembly and packing as well as re-assembly were so much easier.

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 9:16:55 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Reporting back. 
>
> I managed to pack it, but I had to remove the rack. It was too long for my 
> box with the rack installed (see photo below before removing it). I also 
> had to remove the stem, I think short stems have a hard time getting 
> through the wheel.
>
> Another good tip I got was to use a dummy axle to protect the fork.
>
> Thanks everyone, I hope this works out... I'm planning to check it with 
> the airline (United intl) and it's the first time I'm doing this.
>
> Max
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:00:21 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Thanks Joe, that makes sense!
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 11:35 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> If it fits with the rack on I'd leave it, that structure provides some 
>>> protection for the fork against crush damage. Put some foam or pipe 
>>> insulation on the rails and you're good to go. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 8:30:06 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 I'm about to pack my Atlantis to ship it home. I'm going to do it 
 myself but I'm wondering if I should remove the front nitto rack or ship 
 it 
 with the rack installed.

 What do you think?

 Max

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Re: [RBW] LF: Rivendell Wilbury or Glorious or Velo Orange Mixte- 60cm or 62cm

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I know this thread is none of my business, but I would just love to see the 
photos of that pretty bike, even though I’m not Elton’s buyer.  
Back to minding my own business,
Leah

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 6:59:53 PM UTC-4 Elton Lance wrote:

> Hi Matt,
>
> I’ve got a 60cm Wilbury that I’d be willing to sell.  Top-shelf parts and 
> build.  If you are still looking I’d be happy to take and send photos.  
>
> Elton Lance
> Vero Beach, FL
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2022, at 10:50 PM, MCT  wrote:
>
> Good Evening,
>
> Looking for a Wilbury or Glorius in size 60 or 62cm. I can’t remember if 
> they were made in 62cm, but either will work.  I know the Velo Orange Mixte 
> was only made in 60cm as the largest.  
>
> Let me know what you got and interested in selling.  
>
> Thanks,
> Matt in OKC
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Tom Wyland]

I agree with Ben -- most saddles are arc-shaped and I like flat saddles. I 
really liked my Velo Orange wide touring saddle. It's firm but not too firm 
and has a rubbery texture. Bag loops are a plus. I find this saddle to be 
not breathable enough for me (I don't wear bike shorts). My current saddle 
is a Selle Anatomica H2.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[ascpgh]

More saintly than I would have been if standing there. 

"Honest mistake" is the rationalization of a good samaritan not someone 
with access to tools holding themself out as a mechanic. What was described 
was a task in need of being done right by someone who didn't do so in the 
first place. Instead of acknowledging their corner-cutting, inadequate 
effort or skill by carefully doing it right the second time, they applied 
the same slapdash degree of "wrenching". I would have called them out and 
stopped things when pliers and a big screwdriver appeared. 

What do people like that intend to do with any time they save by doing work 
so poorly? 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 3:21:29 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> We lost it, Joe. In the immediate aftermath, a quiet hush descended over 
> the entire shop because everyone was shocked by what happened. And then it 
> was like, wtf?!? 
>
> The shop's first response was an unsatisfying and defensive, "it was an 
> honest mistake," and they would have been content to settle it with a mere 
> apology. After a lot of negotiation, the shop agreed to reimburse for labor 
> and to replace the brakes — but good luck finding polished (or any other 
> finish) NOS Racers. It's been three months since it happened and I've heard 
> nothing but crickets. So I was super pleased with Eric's message about Paul 
> Component resuming Racer production.
>
> It had taken me nine months to find the brakes — scouring the interwebs, 
> cold calling dozens of bike shops all over the country, putting out WTB 
> posts. Finally a set appeared in an eBay auction listing. I preempted the 
> auction by offering the seller a (very) pretty penny for them. I wanted 
> those brakes.
>
> Now... I have not lost perspective. This ordeal was upsetting, but it was 
> not an issue of grave existential importance. Still, these things matter to 
> bike nerds and to nerds in the making.
>
> Getting back to the original theme of this thread, I'll reiterate that if 
> I had the option, I would gladly and enthusiastically pay Rivendell to do 
> any frame prep, builds, etc. over any of my local bike shops, even if it 
> meant waiting a while.
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:36 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Indeed. That's really appalling. I'm so glad my LBS is competent like 
>> that and would tell me if they can't actually do the work. T
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:05:04 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> That's appalling, I would have LOST it if someone did this to my (very 
>>> expensive) Paul brakes. They owe you a new Racer. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>>
 Sorry, just noticed your note on this week-old thread, Piaw. Yes, I 
 totally agree that anyone can make mistakes. I also think there is a big 
 difference between a genuinely innocent mistake and negligence, 
 recklessness, or incompetence. (Ignoring specific instructions that were 
 in 
 earshot of the entire shop is an unfortunate instance of negligence.)

  Where you draw the line is debatable and depends on circumstances. For 
 me the big gash, scratches, and dings on brand new brakes, as shown in the 
 attached pic, unequivocably cross the line. The mechanic attempted to bend 
 the fender hanger tab with pliers while pushing off the brake bridge and 
 arm, using them as leverage, as the entire shop looked on with shock, and 
 despite the fact that he was asked to do it properly. It wouldn't have 
 been 
 as big a deal if the Racers were readily available (as they evidently will 
 be again in a few months), but this shouldn't have happened regardless. 

 [image: IMG_6141.jpg]   

 On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:15:28 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Anyone can make mistakes. When we got my wife's Rivendell-assembled 
> Cheviot a few years back, I ended up having to re-tighten the FD, and had 
> to adjust the shifters several times. It's not a big deal. I'd be a lot 
> less forgiving of frame prep failures. I'm a good enough mechanic that I 
> can build wheels myself (and used to teach wheel-building workshops), but 
> my definite preference is for parts and bikes that are "fire and forget". 
> But I'm also blessed to have good mechanics at LBSes for times when I 
> can't 
> or don't have time to fix something myself. I still try to do work myself 
> since frequently they're much more aggressive about replacing parts like 
> brake pads too early than I am.
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 9:39:10 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> I would happily pay extra for Riv to prep a frame. I have absolute 
>> confidence in their work. There are lots of bike shops in my area that I 
>> have gone to when I didn’t have the time, tools, or inclination to do 
>> work 
>> myself. I’m