Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[Bill Lindsay]

All of this, including the anticipation of a long narrative report, makes 
me very very happy

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 7:09:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Hi All! I got back a few hours ago - it was a 10 hour drive each way - and 
> it was worth it. I have a lot to say on the matter but will leave it for 
> now because I stayed up talking last night until 1:30 am with one Pamela 
> Murray, who abandoned her unsatisfactory Air B and B to bunk in my king 
> sized bed in the hotel, lol. 
>
> I’ll leave you with a few photos for now…
>
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> On Oct 29, 2022, at 1:24 PM, JAS  wrote:
>
> Great photo, RivSisters!!  You're going to have so much fun.  More 
> photos, please, for those of us wishing we could be there.
>
>
> Joyce
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:27:05 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Heyyy look at you's! 🙋‍♂️ Have fun!!!
>>
>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:23:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The RivSisters are getting the party started. Ok, actually we went to 
>>> bed but here is real, raw footage of three of us tonight. And tomorrow, 
>>> there will be more of us. 
>>>
>>> Left to right: Pamela Murray, Leah Peterson, and Roberta Chase.
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 11:31 AM, JohnS  wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking forward to seeing everyone on Saturday! I'll be at the food 
>>> court for 12:30 to say hello. Otherwise I'll be taking it all in and 
>>> picking up my free gift from Will, when I say, "and I for one welcome our 
>>> new insect overlords". LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:25:50 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 I'll be riding to the Expo Sat 
 morning, doing a demo at 
 1:30 
 
  
 and riding to the Keystone Party 
 .  
 Details on PBE website.  Please come see me and ride w/me.  

 On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 6:36:39 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I got this update to the bike expo in my email today.  Lots of 
> information, including a press release:  
> https://madmimi.com/p/dc7ae41?pact=367096-170142516-11332754941-2829bc1df8e3bd915158a7aa4c23f05462633058
>   
>
>
> From the press release, which you can read in full, embedded in the 
> above link.:
>
> "The exhibitor count is approaching all-time pre-pandemic highs... an 
> exhibitor list of 160 brands, up 40 percent over last year’s tentative 
> post-pandemic expo. Pre-event ticket sales have been very healthy too.
>
> "The popular PBE Food Court is back in the exhibition hall with the 
> same range of offerings as pre-pandemic."
>
> Want to meet at the Food Court around 12:30 for a meet and great?  You 
> know what Leah looks like.  You know what Pam looks like.  I am tall-ish 
> and have short white hair and will probably be near them.  
>
> Weather Saturday and Sunday:  low 41, high 63.  Sunny.  No rain.
>
> Contact me off list if you need anything local.
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:24:16 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I can't wait to meet ya'll  I'l be flying and boxing my bike 
>> (Betty Foy).  I'll be doing a demo of what to carry on your bike and how 
>> to 
>> carry stuff and hope to give a presentation on ideas to build bike 
>> community and culture.  I'll be helping w/a ride Sat mornining to the 
>> Expo 
>> and another from the Expo to the Keystone Bike Party Sat night.  I think 
>> there's a Riv sisters Fri night ride brewing too - I guess guys will be 
>> invited but will need to follow us.  I'm always up for a ride and have a 
>> dyno so I ride all the time.  I'm not on the group all the time but I 
>> check 
>> email all the time.  Working on details, routes, etc.  But email me for 
>> any 
>> questions.  For example, Joe, just box the bike.  Watch the video on 
>> Riv.  
>> I think it's Emilio packing a bike to ship.  It's easy to pack and only 
>> $30 
>> like a checked bag.  I put the duffle bag backpack straps on so my hands 
>> are free to carry the bike box to check it at the airport.  If I can do 
>> it, 
>> you can too.  I'm smaller than you.  
>>
>> Picture from last weeks 367 mile ride across NC on my Betty Foy.  
>> p.s. that's a My Little Pony I found.[image: IMG_5928.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 7:09:59 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe — I went to PBE fo

[RBW] Re: For Sale Stronglight headsets

[Ray Varella]

These are sold

Thank you 

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 10:16:09 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> Sorry, English thread, 1” 26.4 crown race
>
> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 10:08:58 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> I have two Stronglight headsets, new, never installed. 
>> They look exactly like the needle bearing model (A9?) but these use 
>> cartridge bearings. 
>> $40 each plus shipping. 
>> Buy them both and I’ll pay shipping 
>> Email rayvarella007 at gmail dot com 
>>
>> Thank you 
>> Ray
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Ryan Frahm]

The only conclusion I can come up with is N+1. I thought, maybe I’ll just 
sell my Susie, I absolutely love my Clem H. Had to take the Clem apart for 
service, it’s getting a new fork and a full powder coat job. Tried to throw 
the 2.5 Ehline from my Susie in just to see. Honestly a bit tight for my 
comfort. The Susie has tons of tire clearance for mud side to side, I 
couldn’t get much more height because I’m within 3mm of the brake (rubber 
boot, without I guess a 2.8 would fit with similar room) in the rear. 

My Susie rides more lively and (likely the tire size) smooth. Unless I 
decide to have a custom frame made or go with something from Tanglefoot (71 
degree seat tube angle!), I can’t see selling the Susie. I just kinda wish 
it was 27.5” in my size.  I like the smaller wheel for the exploration 
riding I do. The Susie has more clearance and the tubes flex a lot to give 
a nice ride. The Clem is stout and ready for anything. They are both such 
great bikes, if they fit your bike needs. But, catch me on the right day 
and a large gold Susie might be for sale!

Anybody else excited to see the new Ronnie Romance aluminum (gasp!) ATB 
bike? 27.5x2.6 capable rim brake adventure bike. Nice. 
On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 4:33:36 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> The only conclusion (?) I can get from this tire discussion on Susie / Gus 
> & possibly Clems is - get a duplicate set of wheels. One for pavement / 
> gravel, and a dedicated set for MTB with proper knobbies. Anything less 
> seems a compromise?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 30, 2022, at 12:14 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I’m running the Ehline 27.5 x 2.5 on my Gus currently. I had them on a 
> previous bike that was a dedicated trail bike, and I liked them for that 
> purpose a lot, so I knew what to expect. So far, I’m riding my Gus 50/50 
> dirt/pavement and I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised at how well they 
> roll on paved surfaces. Pretty quiet, too. I doubt I’m going to be doing 
> any long paved rides, but for knocking around town and shorter paved trips 
> 30 mi or less, they are quite enjoyable. 
>
> All this said, if Jan H. decided to make a tire slightly bigger than the 
> Umtanum or Fleecer Ridge in the 2.5” / 2.6” range, I would buy them in an 
> instant. Those RH knobbies perform equally well and roll fast and quiet on 
> all surfaces in my opinion and experience.
>
> On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I’ll chime in on the Teravail Ehline vs the Ranger. Granted, I ran a 3” 
> Ranger tough vs the Light 2.5 Ehline, but the Ranger was extremely slow in 
> comparison. I haven’t tried the Vittoria, but I’ve heard they are great 
> tires. That being said, when I need new tires they will likely be Rene 
> Herse Fleecer Ridge endurance casing. They are fantastic all around tires, 
> worth the extra $ in my experience. 
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:26:16 PM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> If we’re talking tires,  take a look at the Kenda Booster Pro.   It 
>> comes in 29x 2.6 and 27.5x2.8 and both in 120 TPI with standard casing and 
>> a more puncture resistant casing,  both tubeless ready.I have the 
>> 29x2.2 version and they are a surprisingly fast and not buzzy on pavement 
>> and very very grippy tire on gravel and single track.  I have them in the 
>> standard casing and they feel really solid and don’t squirm with running 
>> lower pressure.   
>>
>> A quick look at the tech specs and the claimed weights are very light for 
>> a 29x2.6 tire( 681 +/-34 g for the standard casing and 763 +/- 38g for the 
>> more puncture resistant casing.   Again,  I only have the 29x2.2 tires so 
>> can’t speak of real world experience of the 29x 2.6 or 27.5x2.8 but if the 
>> characteristics carry over,  it is a wonderfully fast and grippy tire
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2022, at 7:50 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate it. ❤️
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:45:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Luke,
>>>
>>> I'm so sorry for your loss. What a nice story behind your Atlantis. The 
>>> build is great but the story behind it makes it extra special. Thanks for 
>>> sharing it with us!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 7:16 PM Luke Hendrickson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I appreciate the input on the sorta terrain you’re on with them. Since my 
 Riv  is my 
 do-it-all, I spend time on fire roads, single track, paved, and everything 
 in between. The Maxxis tires currently on the bike are tough wearing and 
 durable. Supple is sorta down the list in desired qualities (although some 
 Ultradynamico tires may be in my near future).

 Thanks again, Paul.

 —Luke

 On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:02:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only 
> come in the DD Raceguard c

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Richard Rose]

The only conclusion (?) I can get from this tire discussion on Susie / Gus & 
possibly Clems is - get a duplicate set of wheels. One for pavement / gravel, 
and a dedicated set for MTB with proper knobbies. Anything less seems a 
compromise?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2022, at 12:14 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m running the Ehline 27.5 x 2.5 on my Gus currently. I had them on a 
> previous bike that was a dedicated trail bike, and I liked them for that 
> purpose a lot, so I knew what to expect. So far, I’m riding my Gus 50/50 
> dirt/pavement and I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised at how well they 
> roll on paved surfaces. Pretty quiet, too. I doubt I’m going to be doing any 
> long paved rides, but for knocking around town and shorter paved trips 30 mi 
> or less, they are quite enjoyable. 
> 
> All this said, if Jan H. decided to make a tire slightly bigger than the 
> Umtanum or Fleecer Ridge in the 2.5” / 2.6” range, I would buy them in an 
> instant. Those RH knobbies perform equally well and roll fast and quiet on 
> all surfaces in my opinion and experience.
> 
>>> On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>> 
>> I’ll chime in on the Teravail Ehline vs the Ranger. Granted, I ran a 3” 
>> Ranger tough vs the Light 2.5 Ehline, but the Ranger was extremely slow in 
>> comparison. I haven’t tried the Vittoria, but I’ve heard they are great 
>> tires. That being said, when I need new tires they will likely be Rene Herse 
>> Fleecer Ridge endurance casing. They are fantastic all around tires, worth 
>> the extra $ in my experience. 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:26:16 PM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> If we’re talking tires,  take a look at the Kenda Booster Pro.   It comes 
>>> in 29x 2.6 and 27.5x2.8 and both in 120 TPI with standard casing and a more 
>>> puncture resistant casing,  both tubeless ready.I have the 29x2.2 
>>> version and they are a surprisingly fast and not buzzy on pavement and very 
>>> very grippy tire on gravel and single track.  I have them in the standard 
>>> casing and they feel really solid and don’t squirm with running lower 
>>> pressure.   
>>> 
>>> A quick look at the tech specs and the claimed weights are very light for a 
>>> 29x2.6 tire( 681 +/-34 g for the standard casing and 763 +/- 38g for the 
>>> more puncture resistant casing.   Again,  I only have the 29x2.2 tires so 
>>> can’t speak of real world experience of the 29x 2.6 or 27.5x2.8 but if the 
>>> characteristics carry over,  it is a wonderfully fast and grippy tire
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Oct 29, 2022, at 7:50 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
> 
 I appreciate it. ❤️
>>> 
 
 
> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:45:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
> Luke,
> 
> I'm so sorry for your loss. What a nice story behind your Atlantis. The 
> build is great but the story behind it makes it extra special. Thanks for 
> sharing it with us!
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 7:16 PM Luke Hendrickson 
>>  wrote:
>> I appreciate the input on the sorta terrain you’re on with them. Since 
>> my Riv is my do-it-all, I spend time on fire roads, single track, paved, 
>> and everything in between. The Maxxis tires currently on the bike are 
>> tough wearing and durable. Supple is sorta down the list in desired 
>> qualities (although some Ultradynamico tires may be in my near future).
>> 
>> Thanks again, Paul.
>> 
>> —Luke
>> 
>>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:02:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>> The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only 
>>> come in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest. 
>>> 
>>> They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But they 
>>> are a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some 
>>> real mud, I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a 
>>> really good touring tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, 
>>> plenty durable, but not especially supple or fast.
>>> 
>>> Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, and 
>>> to a degree, change how boggy they feel.
>>> 
>>> I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler 
>>> casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my 
>>> favorite for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track,  
>>> and the skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either.
>>> 
>>> I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because 
>>> of their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least 
>>> long enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this 
>>> winter. I have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there.
>>> 
>>> If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 ri

[RBW] Re: WTT: My Paul Components 22.2 Funky Monkey for your 1" Funky Monkey

[Todd G]

Also, if anyone is sitting on a 1" in silver Funky Monkey that you would 
part with give me a holler. Thanks!

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:30:18 PM UTC-7 Todd G wrote:

> So, for some reason I ordered a 22.2 Paul Components Funky Monkey in 
> silver, when I should have ordered the 1" version.
>
> Instead of returning it, does anybody have a front 1" in silver to trade? 
> The one I have for trade/sale was mounted on a quill stem and removed 
> almost immediately, and didn’t even run a cable through it. I could also 
> sell it if anyone is looking to purchase one in the near future. 
>
> Please reach out offline to arrange trade or sale.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] FS 60cm Simple One and 61cm MUSA Homer

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Couple of very special bikes up for sale here folks:

First up is a 60cm Simple One in green 

Frame measures:

58cm st c-c
58cm tt c-c
85cm standover

Cranks are 43/34

Rear hub has a dingle 17/19 FW on one side and 21 FW on the other.  You can 
use the large ring with the dingle and small ring with the 21.  Pretty cool 
set-up!!!

Suzue hubs, Atlas rims, 32H f&r, wheels built by Rich, Soma Shikoros 700x42

Does not come with saddle and light mount but does come with everything 
else (pedals, spurcycle bell, handlebar bag)

I can't remember the name of the handlebars but they're made by VO. Stem is 
a nitto technomic.  Rides butter smooth, a very cool bike, nice upright 
riding position.  Reach out with any questions or anything I missed. Paint 
is about right for a bike this age, small chips and scratches not 
dings/dents or issues.

$2,200 shipped conus with non-fee payment (paypal f&f, venmo, cashapp, 
zelle)  Paypal G&S also available but add 3%.

_

Next up is one of my grail bikes, an absolute sweetheart.

61cm Made in the USA Homer Hilsen

Measures:

59cm st c-c
58cm tt c-c
86cm standover

Custom french blue with braze on centerpulls and Compass brakes

This frame was built by Waterford.

Super upright zero offset Analog stem with Whisky drops.

Veloce 10 speed groupset.

40/30 rings on a VO crank

12/30 rear cassette

Compass barlow pass 700x38 tires

White Industries hubs, 99% sure they are dyad rims, 32H f&r

I had a hell of a time figuring out how to get rid of brake squeal in the 
rear.  I spend many many hours screwing with toe-in.  Then I thought the 
brakes were too powerful so I had a friend machine me a custom brake 
booster.  Then I tred lightly scoring the rim and padsand then I read 
that the salmon pads that compass brakes come with sometimes squeal with 
certain rims.  Tested the rear with el cheapo black post brakes and presto, 
no more squeal.  I ordered new black pads for the rear but they're not set 
up perfect.  Might take a little time in the stand to get them 100%.

Full disclosure the local guy that built this wheelset got the dish wrong 
and it's a couple MM offset to the non-driveside.  There needs to be about 
2mm shorter spokes on the driveside to fix the dish (or thread the existing 
spokes another 2mm).  I never noticed a difference, they stayed true and I 
never felt anything so I just got lazy and rode it as-is. 

Paint is approaching perfect on this one...maybe some small scratches here 
or there but otherwise very very nice.  Absolutely no dings or major 
issues.  Rides like an exotic super car yet has a comfortable riding 
position.  Plush and zippy.

Comes with everything pictured minus saddle.

$3,200 shipped conus with non-fee payment (paypal f&f, venmo, cashapp, 
zelle)  Paypal G&S also available but add 3%.

Combo deal for $5,200

__


There's pictures and a walk-around video for both of these here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-4vUjN4Z2St_rQ59VIL1Zx7ky-w4_Pyh?usp=sharing

I'll also reply to this message with one image for each.  Let me know if I 
forgot anything!

Cheers,

Alex Wirth
Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Waterford 1200 complete: appraisal / FS post

[Andrew Turner]

Price:
$1750 for anyone local  
$1950 shipped (conus)  

Andrew

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 4:06:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Andrew Turner,
>
> May I suggest pricing on your post 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 9:50:14 AM UTC-7 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> This was the year of owning and riding fully committed road bikes, and 
>> it's been a blast but I'm going back to the N=1 all-road bike...until I 
>> have the funds to try something more carbon-y. So that means I'm going to 
>> sell my white-whale road bike - the Waterford 1200. 
>>
>> Pictures here  
>>
>> The frame is constructed out of Reynolds 753 steel on the main triangle 
>> and chainstays. Not sure about the seatstays, but the fork is 531. Unknown 
>> year but thought to be mid-90s. The paint is still in fantastic shape, no 
>> dents or major scratches to note, just the usual wear and tear. 
>>
>> Seattube measures 61cm C-C, Toptube measures 58 cm C-C. 
>>
>> Build specs: 
>> frameset: Waterford 1200 
>> headset: Shimano 600 w/ SimWorks spacers 
>> stem: Nitto Technomic 80mm
>> bars: Nitto Noodle 42cm 
>> levers: Dia Compe
>> brakeset: Shimano Ultegra 
>> shifters: Shimano Dura Ace 8 speed downtube  
>> bottle cages: King Cage
>> seatpost: 27.4(!!!) Thomson 0-offset: DON'T USE A 27.2! 
>> saddle: Selle Anatomica X2 tool leather brown
>> crankset: Shimano Ultegra octalink 53/39 172.5 
>> front mech: Suntour Cyclone double 
>> rear mech: Shimano Dura Ace 
>> cassette: 8 speed 11-28
>> wheelset: near mint Mavic Open 4CD laced to Shimano 600 tri color hubs 
>> tires: Gravel King 28mm slicks: I'd say 28 is as wide as you'll fit in 
>> this frameset
>>
>> All new cables, housing and chain (9s). As you see it, the bike weighs in 
>> at just over 21lbs...not bad for this size bike and not-so-light components.
>>
>> Now I'm not entirely sure how much to ask for this bike so in addition to 
>> any serious offers, I'm looking for appraisal advice in case I need to post 
>> on eBay. I'm also going to hold off on shipping in case there's someone 
>> local who can come snatch it. I'm not against shipping but the cost and 
>> faff of it all...ya know.
>>
>> I'm in Franklin TN 37064 so Nashville folks, here's a cool bike for sale! 
>>
>

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[RBW] WTT: My Paul Components 22.2 Funky Monkey for your 1" Funky Monkey

[Todd G]

So, for some reason I ordered a 22.2 Paul Components Funky Monkey in 
silver, when I should have ordered the 1" version.

Instead of returning it, does anybody have a front 1" in silver to trade? 
The one I have for trade/sale was mounted on a quill stem and removed 
almost immediately, and didn’t even run a cable through it. I could also 
sell it if anyone is looking to purchase one in the near future. 

Please reach out offline to arrange trade or sale.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Phil and Shimano BBs, mirrors

[Joe Bernard]

One mirror left, the longer one with a strap. 

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 12:54:32 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Bottom brackets gone (pro tip: if you have an old Phil price it higher 
> than I did, the response was bonkers!) 
>
> Mirrors free for shipping cost, should be about $10 per box. 
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:36:09 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Phil sold, Shimano pending. 
>>
>> Mirrors $20 each shipped. 
>>
>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:58:28 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Random parts kicking around that I'm tired of kicking. Everything $25 
>>> each shipped, cheaper if bundled for one shipping price. 
>>>
>>> Old Phil 68 x 113 BB, English thread, pulled from a used Riv, spins 
>>> smooth, comes with new Phil BB tool I bought for it. 
>>>
>>> New Shimano 68 x 127 BB, English, installed once, was way too long for 
>>> the cranks and immediately pulled out of the frame.
>>>
>>> Busch + Müller mirrors, one wraps the bar, one is bar-end.   
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WBheYrzV4uz27iae7
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Waterford 1200 complete: appraisal / FS post

[Kim Hetzel]

Hi Andrew Turner,

May I suggest pricing on your post 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 9:50:14 AM UTC-7 Andrew Turner wrote:

> This was the year of owning and riding fully committed road bikes, and 
> it's been a blast but I'm going back to the N=1 all-road bike...until I 
> have the funds to try something more carbon-y. So that means I'm going to 
> sell my white-whale road bike - the Waterford 1200. 
>
> Pictures here  
>
> The frame is constructed out of Reynolds 753 steel on the main triangle 
> and chainstays. Not sure about the seatstays, but the fork is 531. Unknown 
> year but thought to be mid-90s. The paint is still in fantastic shape, no 
> dents or major scratches to note, just the usual wear and tear. 
>
> Seattube measures 61cm C-C, Toptube measures 58 cm C-C. 
>
> Build specs: 
> frameset: Waterford 1200 
> headset: Shimano 600 w/ SimWorks spacers 
> stem: Nitto Technomic 80mm
> bars: Nitto Noodle 42cm 
> levers: Dia Compe
> brakeset: Shimano Ultegra 
> shifters: Shimano Dura Ace 8 speed downtube  
> bottle cages: King Cage
> seatpost: 27.4(!!!) Thomson 0-offset: DON'T USE A 27.2! 
> saddle: Selle Anatomica X2 tool leather brown
> crankset: Shimano Ultegra octalink 53/39 172.5 
> front mech: Suntour Cyclone double 
> rear mech: Shimano Dura Ace 
> cassette: 8 speed 11-28
> wheelset: near mint Mavic Open 4CD laced to Shimano 600 tri color hubs 
> tires: Gravel King 28mm slicks: I'd say 28 is as wide as you'll fit in 
> this frameset
>
> All new cables, housing and chain (9s). As you see it, the bike weighs in 
> at just over 21lbs...not bad for this size bike and not-so-light components.
>
> Now I'm not entirely sure how much to ask for this bike so in addition to 
> any serious offers, I'm looking for appraisal advice in case I need to post 
> on eBay. I'm also going to hold off on shipping in case there's someone 
> local who can come snatch it. I'm not against shipping but the cost and 
> faff of it all...ya know.
>
> I'm in Franklin TN 37064 so Nashville folks, here's a cool bike for sale! 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Richard Rose]

This is slightly / funny to me. A fatbike was my first experience with 1. A 
rigid MTB, and 2. Large volume tires. The experience convinced me that with 
large volume tires I could not only get by but really enjoy Rigid. Then plus 
tires hit & I bought a Marin Pine Mountain 1, a rigid steel MTB with 2.8“ x 
27.5” tires. It was a freaking blast & relatively cheap @ under $1k. This in 
turn got me hot for a Jones 29 - “THE” rigid MTB. This preceded the Jones 
“plus” bikes, but I ran it comfortably with 29” x 3” up front & 2.5” in the 
rear. That bike also was a ton of fun everywhere I rode it. It simply rolled 
over everything. 
But, I developed a little spinal stenosis eventually requiring (successful) 
surgery. My surgeon suggested I move to a full suspension bike. What could I 
do? Doctors orders!:)
So I found a good deal on a Ibis Mojo 3. The Jones became my everything else 
other than trail bike. But as such, I started to notice hand / wrist issues 
with the Jones loop bar as well as the 12 degree sweep bars on the Ibis. Enter 
(finally) my interest in the Clem. I reasoned that the upright, sweptback, long 
wheelbase with plush tires might be just the ticket to replace the Jones.
I was right!! It’s been superb & easily the most comfortable bike to ride I 
have ever owned. But what surprised me was / is how much fun it is on the 
trail. Thus my extreme interest in getting either a Susie / Gus to replace the 
full squish bike or, get a second set of wheels for the Clem to get some proper 
trail tires for dedicated trail use. With the long wheelbase the ride is such 
that I think I can live without suspension. I had thought plus bikes where all 
but dead, but I see this crowd still loved them. Susie / Gus; best plus bikes 
ever?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2022, at 12:45 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
> 
> I agree and would love to see a RH tire in a larger size. So many of us 
> would I imagine! I remember reading that Panaracer is not able to make a 
> larger tire for them so I don’t know if it will happen. A 2.6 version would 
> sell like hotcakes I think!
> 
>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 9:14:20 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I’m running the Ehline 27.5 x 2.5 on my Gus currently. I had them on a 
>> previous bike that was a dedicated trail bike, and I liked them for that 
>> purpose a lot, so I knew what to expect. So far, I’m riding my Gus 50/50 
>> dirt/pavement and I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised at how well they 
>> roll on paved surfaces. Pretty quiet, too. I doubt I’m going to be doing any 
>> long paved rides, but for knocking around town and shorter paved trips 30 mi 
>> or less, they are quite enjoyable. 
>> 
>> All this said, if Jan H. decided to make a tire slightly bigger than the 
>> Umtanum or Fleecer Ridge in the 2.5” / 2.6” range, I would buy them in an 
>> instant. Those RH knobbies perform equally well and roll fast and quiet on 
>> all surfaces in my opinion and experience.
>> 
 On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
 
>>> I’ll chime in on the Teravail Ehline vs the Ranger. Granted, I ran a 3” 
>>> Ranger tough vs the Light 2.5 Ehline, but the Ranger was extremely slow in 
>>> comparison. I haven’t tried the Vittoria, but I’ve heard they are great 
>>> tires. That being said, when I need new tires they will likely be Rene 
>>> Herse Fleecer Ridge endurance casing. They are fantastic all around tires, 
>>> worth the extra $ in my experience. 
>> 
>>> 
 On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:26:16 PM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 If we’re talking tires,  take a look at the Kenda Booster Pro.   It comes 
 in 29x 2.6 and 27.5x2.8 and both in 120 TPI with standard casing and a 
 more puncture resistant casing,  both tubeless ready.I have the 29x2.2 
 version and they are a surprisingly fast and not buzzy on pavement and 
 very very grippy tire on gravel and single track.  I have them in the 
 standard casing and they feel really solid and don’t squirm with running 
 lower pressure.   
 
 A quick look at the tech specs and the claimed weights are very light for 
 a 29x2.6 tire( 681 +/-34 g for the standard casing and 763 +/- 38g for the 
 more puncture resistant casing.   Again,  I only have the 29x2.2 tires so 
 can’t speak of real world experience of the 29x 2.6 or 27.5x2.8 but if the 
 characteristics carry over,  it is a wonderfully fast and grippy tire
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Oct 29, 2022, at 7:50 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>> 
> I appreciate it. ❤️
 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:45:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Luke,
>> 
>> I'm so sorry for your loss. What a nice story behind your Atlantis. The 
>> build is great but the story behind it makes it extra special. Thanks 
>> for sharing it with us!
>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 7:16 PM Luke Hendrickson 
>>>  wr

[RBW] Re: For Sale Stronglight headsets

[Ray Varella]

Sorry, English thread, 1” 26.4 crown race

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 10:08:58 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> I have two Stronglight headsets, new, never installed. 
> They look exactly like the needle bearing model (A9?) but these use 
> cartridge bearings. 
> $40 each plus shipping. 
> Buy them both and I’ll pay shipping 
> Email rayvarella007 at gmail dot com 
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Front, Neo-Retro Back?

[RichS]

Hi Matthew,

I agree with Phillip and Collin; why switch to cantis when your existing V 
brakes appear to work fine? If it's the desire to experiment or just make a 
change, well, we've all been down that road — and I'm often on it!  A 
friend of mine has a canti braked Appaloosa (very nice bike!). However, I 
can see V brakes looking and working just fine on it. Good luck with your 
decision.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 6:59:08 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> I've used cantilevers since the early 80's and while there are 
> distinctions among brake models, how it is set up, the frame mounts 
> themselves, brake cable and housing setup, and finally the riders own 
> sensibilities, all play their part in the experience of braking. In other 
> words, there's no putting a specific brake in a "box", saying it is this or 
> that, and that's all there is too it. There's just too many variables to 
> consider to distill it down into a box of words. 
>
> That said, I love me some low profile Suntour XC Pro canti's. For that 
> matter, I love any canti that uses full post pads, the original type. I 
> bought some low profile Dia Compe DC 988's a while ago and while they are 
> quite similar to the Sun Tour, they're not quite as easily adjusted for the 
> toe in as the XC Pro. Both come stock with road sized centered-in-the post 
> pads, by far my favorite, and both brakes readily clear the stays. I don't 
> why Riv laments there aren't any cantilevers that open fully anymore as 
> these Dia Compe 988's are right in there catalog and readily available. 
> They're popular with BMX riders too. Even with wonky offset post Koolstop 
> pads they can be shortened easily to more road size. 
>
> So while I've never used any Paul brake, regardless of the type it still 
> comes down to how the rider installs and applies it. That's the beauty of 
> cantilevers, they allow for the lightest of touches to feather the brake as 
> desired. It's not just on or off, one way only,.so saying one is 
> more/less powerful the other is irrelevant when applied with some 
> intelligence. 
>
> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:29:56 AM UTC-4 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> You should keep the v brakes.
>> They already are on the bike, they’re quite powerful, they are more out 
>> of the way of panniers, and aren’t affected by rack-top stuff pushing on a 
>> cable. 
>>
>> Philip
>> Sonoma County, Calif
>>
>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 4:09:17 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, based on the brake arrangement, I have a question.
>>>
>>> But first, some background: I’m making some changes/upgrades so my bike 
>>> will be better equipped for day rides, multi-day trips, and light touring.
>>>
>>> Here are some of the considerations:
>>>
>>>1. Bike is a Joe Appaloosa
>>>2. Wheels will be Atlas 700c with Panaracer Gravel Kings.
>>>3. My rides are almost all on asphalt or concrete with a few dirt 
>>>trails or fire roads.
>>>4. Bike currently has V-brakes.
>>>5. I am planning to add a rear rack with panniers, no front rack.
>>>6. I weigh about 165. 
>>>7. I’ll be carrying some gear but I won’t be overloading the bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Question: Should I switch to cantilevers, or keep the existing 
>>> V-brakes? *
>>>
>>

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[RBW] For Sale Stronglight headsets

[Ray Varella]

I have two Stronglight headsets, new, never installed. 
They look exactly like the needle bearing model (A9?) but these use 
cartridge bearings. 
$40 each plus shipping. 
Buy them both and I’ll pay shipping 
Email rayvarella007 at gmail dot com 

Thank you 
Ray

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[RBW] Waterford 1200 complete: appraisal / FS post

[Andrew Turner]

This was the year of owning and riding fully committed road bikes, and it's 
been a blast but I'm going back to the N=1 all-road bike...until I have the 
funds to try something more carbon-y. So that means I'm going to sell my 
white-whale road bike - the Waterford 1200. 

Pictures here  

The frame is constructed out of Reynolds 753 steel on the main triangle and 
chainstays. Not sure about the seatstays, but the fork is 531. Unknown year 
but thought to be mid-90s. The paint is still in fantastic shape, no dents 
or major scratches to note, just the usual wear and tear. 

Seattube measures 61cm C-C, Toptube measures 58 cm C-C. 

Build specs: 
frameset: Waterford 1200 
headset: Shimano 600 w/ SimWorks spacers 
stem: Nitto Technomic 80mm
bars: Nitto Noodle 42cm 
levers: Dia Compe
brakeset: Shimano Ultegra 
shifters: Shimano Dura Ace 8 speed downtube  
bottle cages: King Cage
seatpost: 27.4(!!!) Thomson 0-offset: DON'T USE A 27.2! 
saddle: Selle Anatomica X2 tool leather brown
crankset: Shimano Ultegra octalink 53/39 172.5 
front mech: Suntour Cyclone double 
rear mech: Shimano Dura Ace 
cassette: 8 speed 11-28
wheelset: near mint Mavic Open 4CD laced to Shimano 600 tri color hubs 
tires: Gravel King 28mm slicks: I'd say 28 is as wide as you'll fit in this 
frameset

All new cables, housing and chain (9s). As you see it, the bike weighs in 
at just over 21lbs...not bad for this size bike and not-so-light components.

Now I'm not entirely sure how much to ask for this bike so in addition to 
any serious offers, I'm looking for appraisal advice in case I need to post 
on eBay. I'm also going to hold off on shipping in case there's someone 
local who can come snatch it. I'm not against shipping but the cost and 
faff of it all...ya know.

I'm in Franklin TN 37064 so Nashville folks, here's a cool bike for sale! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Ryan Frahm]

I agree and would love to see a RH tire in a larger size. So many of us 
would I imagine! I remember reading that Panaracer is not able to make a 
larger tire for them so I don’t know if it will happen. A 2.6 version would 
sell like hotcakes I think!

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 9:14:20 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’m running the Ehline 27.5 x 2.5 on my Gus currently. I had them on a 
> previous bike that was a dedicated trail bike, and I liked them for that 
> purpose a lot, so I knew what to expect. So far, I’m riding my Gus 50/50 
> dirt/pavement and I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised at how well they 
> roll on paved surfaces. Pretty quiet, too. I doubt I’m going to be doing 
> any long paved rides, but for knocking around town and shorter paved trips 
> 30 mi or less, they are quite enjoyable. 
>
> All this said, if Jan H. decided to make a tire slightly bigger than the 
> Umtanum or Fleecer Ridge in the 2.5” / 2.6” range, I would buy them in an 
> instant. Those RH knobbies perform equally well and roll fast and quiet on 
> all surfaces in my opinion and experience.
>
> On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> I’ll chime in on the Teravail Ehline vs the Ranger. Granted, I ran a 3” 
> Ranger tough vs the Light 2.5 Ehline, but the Ranger was extremely slow in 
> comparison. I haven’t tried the Vittoria, but I’ve heard they are great 
> tires. That being said, when I need new tires they will likely be Rene 
> Herse Fleecer Ridge endurance casing. They are fantastic all around tires, 
> worth the extra $ in my experience. 
>
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:26:16 PM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> If we’re talking tires,  take a look at the Kenda Booster Pro.   It 
>> comes in 29x 2.6 and 27.5x2.8 and both in 120 TPI with standard casing and 
>> a more puncture resistant casing,  both tubeless ready.I have the 
>> 29x2.2 version and they are a surprisingly fast and not buzzy on pavement 
>> and very very grippy tire on gravel and single track.  I have them in the 
>> standard casing and they feel really solid and don’t squirm with running 
>> lower pressure.   
>>
>> A quick look at the tech specs and the claimed weights are very light for 
>> a 29x2.6 tire( 681 +/-34 g for the standard casing and 763 +/- 38g for the 
>> more puncture resistant casing.   Again,  I only have the 29x2.2 tires so 
>> can’t speak of real world experience of the 29x 2.6 or 27.5x2.8 but if the 
>> characteristics carry over,  it is a wonderfully fast and grippy tire
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2022, at 7:50 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate it. ❤️
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:45:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Luke,
>>>
>>> I'm so sorry for your loss. What a nice story behind your Atlantis. The 
>>> build is great but the story behind it makes it extra special. Thanks for 
>>> sharing it with us!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 7:16 PM Luke Hendrickson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I appreciate the input on the sorta terrain you’re on with them. Since my 
 Riv  is my 
 do-it-all, I spend time on fire roads, single track, paved, and everything 
 in between. The Maxxis tires currently on the bike are tough wearing and 
 durable. Supple is sorta down the list in desired qualities (although some 
 Ultradynamico tires may be in my near future).

 Thanks again, Paul.

 —Luke

 On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:02:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only 
> come in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest. 
>
> They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But 
> they are a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some 
> real mud, I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a really 
> good touring tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, plenty 
> durable, but not especially supple or fast.
>
> Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, 
> and to a degree, change how boggy they feel.
>
> I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler 
> casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my favorite 
> for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track,  and the 
> skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either.
>
> I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because 
> of their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least long 
> enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this winter. I 
> have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there.
>
> If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a 
> try. I hear good things about the Teravail Ehline i

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Brian Turner]

I’m running the Ehline 27.5 x 2.5 on my Gus currently. I had them on a previous bike that was a dedicated trail bike, and I liked them for that purpose a lot, so I knew what to expect. So far, I’m riding my Gus 50/50 dirt/pavement and I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised at how well they roll on paved surfaces. Pretty quiet, too. I doubt I’m going to be doing any long paved rides, but for knocking around town and shorter paved trips 30 mi or less, they are quite enjoyable. All this said, if Jan H. decided to make a tire slightly bigger than the Umtanum or Fleecer Ridge in the 2.5” / 2.6” range, I would buy them in an instant. Those RH knobbies perform equally well and roll fast and quiet on all surfaces in my opinion and experience.On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:I’ll chime in on the Teravail Ehline vs the Ranger. Granted, I ran a 3” Ranger tough vs the Light 2.5 Ehline, but the Ranger was extremely slow in comparison. I haven’t tried the Vittoria, but I’ve heard they are great tires. That being said, when I need new tires they will likely be Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge endurance casing. They are fantastic all around tires, worth the extra $ in my experience. On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:26:16 PM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com wrote:If we’re talking tires,  take a look at the Kenda Booster Pro.   It comes in 29x 2.6 and 27.5x2.8 and both in 120 TPI with standard casing and a more puncture resistant casing,  both tubeless ready.    I have the 29x2.2 version and they are a surprisingly fast and not buzzy on pavement and very very grippy tire on gravel and single track.  I have them in the standard casing and they feel really solid and don’t squirm with running lower pressure.   A quick look at the tech specs and the claimed weights are very light for a 29x2.6 tire( 681 +/-34 g for the standard casing and 763 +/- 38g for the more puncture resistant casing.   Again,  I only have the 29x2.2 tires so can’t speak of real world experience of the 29x 2.6 or 27.5x2.8 but if the characteristics carry over,  it is a wonderfully fast and grippy tireSent from my iPhoneOn Oct 29, 2022, at 7:50 PM, Luke Hendrickson  wrote:I appreciate it. ❤️On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:45:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:Luke,I'm so sorry for your loss. What a nice story behind your Atlantis. The build is great but the story behind it makes it extra special. Thanks for sharing it with us!On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 7:16 PM Luke Hendrickson  wrote:I appreciate the input on the sorta terrain you’re on with them. Since my Riv is my do-it-all, I spend time on fire roads, single track, paved, and everything in between. The Maxxis tires currently on the bike are tough wearing and durable. Supple is sorta down the list in desired qualities (although some Ultradynamico tires may be in my near future).Thanks again, Paul.—LukeOn Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:02:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only come in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest. They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But they are a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some real mud, I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a really good touring tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, plenty durable, but not especially supple or fast.Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, and to a degree, change how boggy they feel.I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my favorite for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track,  and the skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either.I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because of their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least long enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this winter. I have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there.If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a try. I hear good things about the Teravail Ehline in 27.5 x 2.5, but it has a more aggressive tread than I want for riding on pavement.So for an all around bike that sees 50% single track and 50% pavement, I think these are about as good as it gets.PaulOn Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:14:06 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Paul – great info and analysis. How’re you liking the Schwalbes? I’m tempted by them. On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolut

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

[Ryan Frahm]

I’ll chime in on the Teravail Ehline vs the Ranger. Granted, I ran a 3” 
Ranger tough vs the Light 2.5 Ehline, but the Ranger was extremely slow in 
comparison. I haven’t tried the Vittoria, but I’ve heard they are great 
tires. That being said, when I need new tires they will likely be Rene 
Herse Fleecer Ridge endurance casing. They are fantastic all around tires, 
worth the extra $ in my experience. 

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:26:16 PM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> If we’re talking tires,  take a look at the Kenda Booster Pro.   It comes 
> in 29x 2.6 and 27.5x2.8 and both in 120 TPI with standard casing and a more 
> puncture resistant casing,  both tubeless ready.I have the 29x2.2 
> version and they are a surprisingly fast and not buzzy on pavement and very 
> very grippy tire on gravel and single track.  I have them in the standard 
> casing and they feel really solid and don’t squirm with running lower 
> pressure.   
>
> A quick look at the tech specs and the claimed weights are very light for 
> a 29x2.6 tire( 681 +/-34 g for the standard casing and 763 +/- 38g for the 
> more puncture resistant casing.   Again,  I only have the 29x2.2 tires so 
> can’t speak of real world experience of the 29x 2.6 or 27.5x2.8 but if the 
> characteristics carry over,  it is a wonderfully fast and grippy tire
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 29, 2022, at 7:50 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
> I appreciate it. ❤️
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:45:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Luke,
>>
>> I'm so sorry for your loss. What a nice story behind your Atlantis. The 
>> build is great but the story behind it makes it extra special. Thanks for 
>> sharing it with us!
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 7:16 PM Luke Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I appreciate the input on the sorta terrain you’re on with them. Since my 
>>> Riv  is my 
>>> do-it-all, I spend time on fire roads, single track, paved, and everything 
>>> in between. The Maxxis tires currently on the bike are tough wearing and 
>>> durable. Supple is sorta down the list in desired qualities (although some 
>>> Ultradynamico tires may be in my near future).
>>>
>>> Thanks again, Paul.
>>>
>>> —Luke
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:02:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
 The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only 
 come in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest. 

 They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But they 
 are a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some real 
 mud, I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a really good 
 touring tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, plenty durable, 
 but not especially supple or fast.

 Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, and 
 to a degree, change how boggy they feel.

 I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler 
 casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my favorite 
 for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track,  and the 
 skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either.

 I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because 
 of their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least long 
 enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this winter. I 
 have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there.

 If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a try. 
 I hear good things about the Teravail Ehline in 27.5 x 2.5, but it has a 
 more aggressive tread than I want for riding on pavement.

 So for an all around bike that sees 50% single track and 50% pavement, 
 I think these are about as good as it gets.

 Paul

 On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:14:06 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Paul – great info and analysis. How’re you liking the Schwalbes? I’m 
> tempted by them. 
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from 
>> another Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 
>> 26" 
>> version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it 
>> with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but 
>> still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love 
>> the 
>> way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued 
>> quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good 
>> things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm 
>> tasked 
>> with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk

[RBW] Re: WTB: friction thumb shifters and mounts - Silver2 or similar (for Albatross bars, 9 speed)

[Pancake]

Got the shifters, still need the X and O thumb mounts for Silver 2 
shifters. Or just the “X” mount that riv doesn’t have in stock (and I could 
get the O from Riv). 

Abe

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 8:47:48 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:

> *Summary:*
> *Want to buy Silver thumb mounts and Silver2 shifters for both sides - X 
> and O of both. Or similar like Paul mounts or IRD or anything *to get me 
> riding a 9 speed cassette, double crankset.[image: IMG_1638.jpg]
>
> *Details:*
> I swapped from Soma Portola drop bars to steel 56cm Albatross bars last 
> night ... only to realize I don't have the shifters I need, oops! Setup is:
> Bars: Albatross bars (22.2mm diameter)
> Rear derailer: Shimano Nexave RD-C505 Rapid Rise
> Rear cassette: 9 speed, 11-40t
> Crankset: IRD Defiant double 46/30t
> Front derailer: SunTour BL BlueLine Riv put on the Charlie H Gallop 
> prototype (so friction best to shift this).
>
> I have an "O" shifter I can borrow from another bike, but really I'm 
> looking for a pair of both shifters and mounts.
>
> *Hopefully someone has a full set of Silver or similar mounts and/or 
> shifters and I could buy the difference from Riv *( the "X"/right side 
> mount is out of stock there, though BlueLug has full pair/sets w/10 days of 
> shipping time and I want to ride now!)
>
> I'd be just as happy to get something cheaper/functional to get me riding 
> quickly - Sunrace shifters/mounts would be fine (and could take the silver2 
> shifters later anyhow). Paul mounts would work too - hopefully in silver. I 
> believe IRD and MicroShift also make silver thumb mounts/shifters too. 
>
> *Also, if you've got a pair of silver v-brake pull brake levers I'd be 
> interested. Avid levers work fine, but looking to have a polished look just 
> for fun. *
>
> Located in Napa but can pick up in Berkeley or SF or most anywhere within 
> an hour like Sacramento or Santa Rosa. 
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Abe
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Front, Neo-Retro Back?

[Garth]

I've used cantilevers since the early 80's and while there are distinctions 
among brake models, how it is set up, the frame mounts themselves, brake 
cable and housing setup, and finally the riders own sensibilities, all play 
their part in the experience of braking. In other words, there's no putting 
a specific brake in a "box", saying it is this or that, and that's all 
there is too it. There's just too many variables to consider to distill it 
down into a box of words. 

That said, I love me some low profile Suntour XC Pro canti's. For that 
matter, I love any canti that uses full post pads, the original type. I 
bought some low profile Dia Compe DC 988's a while ago and while they are 
quite similar to the Sun Tour, they're not quite as easily adjusted for the 
toe in as the XC Pro. Both come stock with road sized centered-in-the post 
pads, by far my favorite, and both brakes readily clear the stays. I don't 
why Riv laments there aren't any cantilevers that open fully anymore as 
these Dia Compe 988's are right in there catalog and readily available. 
They're popular with BMX riders too. Even with wonky offset post Koolstop 
pads they can be shortened easily to more road size. 

So while I've never used any Paul brake, regardless of the type it still 
comes down to how the rider installs and applies it. That's the beauty of 
cantilevers, they allow for the lightest of touches to feather the brake as 
desired. It's not just on or off, one way only,.so saying one is 
more/less powerful the other is irrelevant when applied with some 
intelligence. 

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 2:29:56 AM UTC-4 Philip Williamson wrote:

> You should keep the v brakes.
> They already are on the bike, they’re quite powerful, they are more out of 
> the way of panniers, and aren’t affected by rack-top stuff pushing on a 
> cable. 
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 4:09:17 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, based on the brake arrangement, I have a question.
>>
>> But first, some background: I’m making some changes/upgrades so my bike 
>> will be better equipped for day rides, multi-day trips, and light touring.
>>
>> Here are some of the considerations:
>>
>>1. Bike is a Joe Appaloosa
>>2. Wheels will be Atlas 700c with Panaracer Gravel Kings.
>>3. My rides are almost all on asphalt or concrete with a few dirt 
>>trails or fire roads.
>>4. Bike currently has V-brakes.
>>5. I am planning to add a rear rack with panniers, no front rack.
>>6. I weigh about 165. 
>>7. I’ll be carrying some gear but I won’t be overloading the bike.
>>
>>
>> *Question: Should I switch to cantilevers, or keep the existing V-brakes? 
>> *
>>
>

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