Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Bones]

If you aren't doing fenders then I vote Minimotos. I was able to 
comfortably fit Snoqualmie's with VO Zeppelin 52mm fenders on my Simpleone, 
but in that scenario you definitely need cantis.

I have the Minimoto up front and Touring Canti in the rear set up on a 
different single speed (one that does have a rear brake bridge, unlike my 
Simpleone) and that setup works great as well.

The Minimotos are insanely strong brakes in my experience.

Bones

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:22:52 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up, I had it 
> on my simple one and now on my QB and love the power modulation and look... 
> its a stunner
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:50:15 PM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
>> rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may or 
>> may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
>> priority to have them on the QB.
>>
>> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say it 
>> was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
>>> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
>>> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
>>> sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred to 
>>> run a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>>>
>>> Patch in NYC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:44:55 AM UTC-8 Benjamin Kelley 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 When I was starting my design process for Paul braking my Quickbeam 
 everyone said to put touring on the rear.
 I measured my heel clearance and decided for my bike and fit, that 
 touring would be unnecessary and neo-retro's would clear fine.
 However, a set of used touring in my preferred color came up either 
 here or i-bob first, so I ended up going with them anyways.
 Definitely measure before you buy tho if you are only considering the 
 touring for clearance problems, it might not be an issue for you.

 --ben


 On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:19 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> Since the Quickbeam has a nice, built-in cable hanger at the rear 
> (whereas the Simple One relies on an ad-on hanger installed at the 
> seatpost 
> clamp bolt), I think it's nice to use canti brakes.  Just my opinion.  I 
> had wide profile brakes, like the neo-retro, both front and rear on my 
> Quickbeam (and will again when I finish rebuilding it) and never had heel 
> clearance problems.   I do have another bike where I needed to use the 
> touring on the rear with the neo retro on the front.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Why not do the motolite V brakes ? I bet they rock
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 10:19 AM Drew Henson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also depends on if you want to run fenders. I don't think the 
>>> minimotos have all that much clearance depending on tire size.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Mark, good to know.

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:04:13 PM UTC-5 
 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

> John,
>
> The Paul Minomotos are actually short-pull calipers, so you can 
> use the same short-pull levers that you would use with the 
> touring/neo-retro cantilevers. The Paul Motolites are the ones that 
> use 
> long-pull levers. 
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2023, at 12:57, JohnS  wrote:
>
> The "are Paul's brakes worth it thread" got me thinking that I 
> should give them a try on my Quickbeam. What do people have 
> experience 
> with? I like the idea of using touring canti's on the rear and 
> minimotos on 
> the front as seen on this Rock Lobster build over on The Radivist.
>
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/cyclofunk-single-speed-rock-lobster-cyclocross-kyle-kelley/
>
> The only problem with that is, I'll have to get two pairs of brake 
> levels, one short pull and one long pull. I'm planning on using 
> Mark/noodle 
> drop bars, so the Tektro R340 and RL520 brake levers are at 
> reasonably 
> priced at $30/pair.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated,
> JohnS
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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

I can confirm that the Specialized Hover bars are great, too!

(They also have a version of the Hover with a flare at the drops, btw...)

Cheers!

-- Liz



On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:39:28 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should 
> have mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.
>
> The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even 
> better: 
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205&searchText=21018-3044
>
> I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with the 
> 15 mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.
>
> Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars 
> suit better.
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood  
> wrote:
>
>> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both 
>> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn 
>> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp 
>> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's 
>> is either the same, or 75mm...
>>
>> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>>
>>
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>>
>> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>>
>> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only 
>> thing I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of 
>> others!
>>
>> Liz
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a 
>>> regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a 
>>> very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the 
>>> cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable 
>>> hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
>>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
>>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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>>>
>>> ---
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[RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Kim Hetzel]

I am very glad that I was able to help. I hope they fit to your liking. If 
not, let me know, I will buy them. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 10:21:11 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they look 
> to have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! 
> Ordering pronto. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left 
>> this out.
>>
>> Kim.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Luke,
>>>
>>> On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid Rob 
>>> 29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks Honjo 
>>> Smooth 74 steel fenders as yet to be.   
>>>
>>> Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy 
>>> for my bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks in 
>>> Portland, Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred 
>>> me to Kevin, who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike has 
>>> the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting out 
>>> a section for clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached 
>>> pictures. I did not ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on his 
>>> bike. I was more concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm seat 
>>> post for my Clem. 
>>>
>>> All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with accommodate 
>>> 29x2.25" or 57.15mm tires. In the description of the those fenders on the 
>>> SimWorks website, the maximum tire size is 58~mm. 
>>>
>>> Hope this helps and not to confuse you.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA 
>>>
>>> ..changing out my chain and rear derailleur to new.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:00:16 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Or even a Smooth 74?

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:38:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:

> Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” 
> Schwalbe Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x 
> Honjo Flat 65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input 
> much appreciated.
>


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[RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[scott minor]

I have a set of smooth 74's in my shop for another bike (not yet fitted) 
and holding them up to my Atlantis, they don't fit without cutting and 
 heavily dimpling the fenders to fit between seat stays, also fork blades, 
and remove fender material around the chain stays.  Not for the faint of 
heart but looks possible with patience and proper jigs for setting the 
dimples just right.  There's little question that the fenders will fit over 
your tires, but on an Atlantis, it will take some work.  The problem I 
would worry about is this, by the time you dimple the fender enough to fit, 
you may have lost your clearance around the tire at those points.  If you 
remove metal at those edges where it is too tight then the structure of the 
fender is seriously compromised.  I'd go with a smooth 62 fender and 50mm 
tire on Atlantis and save the 74's w 2.25 tires for a bike with more 
clearance (like a Clem).  

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 1:21:11 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they look 
> to have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! 
> Ordering pronto. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left 
>> this out.
>>
>> Kim.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Luke,
>>>
>>> On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid Rob 
>>> 29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks Honjo 
>>> Smooth 74 steel fenders as yet to be.   
>>>
>>> Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy 
>>> for my bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks in 
>>> Portland, Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred 
>>> me to Kevin, who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike has 
>>> the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting out 
>>> a section for clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached 
>>> pictures. I did not ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on his 
>>> bike. I was more concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm seat 
>>> post for my Clem. 
>>>
>>> All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with accommodate 
>>> 29x2.25" or 57.15mm tires. In the description of the those fenders on the 
>>> SimWorks website, the maximum tire size is 58~mm. 
>>>
>>> Hope this helps and not to confuse you.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA 
>>>
>>> ..changing out my chain and rear derailleur to new.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:00:16 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Or even a Smooth 74?

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:38:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:

> Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” 
> Schwalbe Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x 
> Honjo Flat 65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input 
> much appreciated.
>


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[RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[DavidP]

That's great info, though too bad the 74s won't fit out of the box.

Before giving up on 2.25s and fenders, I'd take some measurements and see 
if Flat 65s would work in the frame and fork (and chain in low/low). If so 
you should be able to get them setup with the 2.25s G-ones since they don't 
really have knobs (assuming the tires actually measure out to 2.25 or less).

I'm thinking that Smooth 62s with 50mm tires would work on my Platy so I'd 
guess the Atlantis could do incrementally more.

-Dave

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a set of smooth 74's in my shop for another bike (not yet fitted) 
> and holding them up to my Atlantis, they don't fit without cutting and 
>  heavily dimpling the fenders to fit between seat stays, also fork blades, 
> and remove fender material around the chain stays.  Not for the faint of 
> heart but looks possible with patience and proper jigs for setting the 
> dimples just right.  There's little question that the fenders will fit over 
> your tires, but on an Atlantis, it will take some work.  The problem I 
> would worry about is this, by the time you dimple the fender enough to fit, 
> you may have lost your clearance around the tire at those points.  If you 
> remove metal at those edges where it is too tight then the structure of the 
> fender is seriously compromised.  I'd go with a smooth 62 fender and 50mm 
> tire on Atlantis and save the 74's w 2.25 tires for a bike with more 
> clearance (like a Clem).  
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 1:21:11 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they 
>> look to have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! 
>> Ordering pronto. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left 
>>> this out.
>>>
>>> Kim.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>>
 Hi Luke,

 On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid 
 Rob 29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks 
 Honjo Smooth 74 steel fenders as yet to be.   

 Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy 
 for my bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks in 
 Portland, Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred 
 me to Kevin, who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike 
 has 
 the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting out 
 a section for clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached 
 pictures. I did not ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on 
 his 
 bike. I was more concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm seat 
 post for my Clem. 

 All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with accommodate 
 29x2.25" or 57.15mm tires. In the description of the those fenders on the 
 SimWorks website, the maximum tire size is 58~mm. 

 Hope this helps and not to confuse you.

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA 

 ..changing out my chain and rear derailleur to new.


 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:00:16 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:

> Or even a Smooth 74?
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:38:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” 
>> Schwalbe Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x 
>> Honjo Flat 65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input 
>> much appreciated.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Patch T]

John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not necessarily 
champion this set-up over others. I went this route because (a) I, too, 
felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, and (b) 
had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 calipered 
frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle across 3 
(mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.

I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, more 
abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is not to 
say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not funny 
or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel lock 
with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.

I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; and 
Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases where 
quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 26" 
dedicated trail bike. 

Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
Minimotos look sick with knobbies
Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks

Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are mine, 
hope they help.

Patch in NYC


On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
> rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may or 
> may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
> priority to have them on the QB.
>
> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say it 
> was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
>> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
>> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little sad, 
>> but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred to run 
>> a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>>
>> Patch in NYC
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Man, wonderful info about the 74s – thank you for taking the time to relay 
that. The above posted photos of them show a significant amount of 
modification (cutting) to fit which I might be game to do however what I 
won’t tolerate is losing ample clearance around the tire. I’m about to head 
into the shop for the day and will throw the Atlantis in the stand and see 
if any of the dimensions of the Flat 65s would work, etc. At the very least 
I’ll share the mishaps I encounter as I try to push the limits of what the 
Atlantis can fit with you all. 

David – I appreciate that suggestion. I’ll throw around the dimensions of 
those with the mechanics today and see if they also see that working out. I 
feel pretty dedicated to the idea of fenders on this thing and the recent 
rain has left me wanting to ride more with less of a reason not to 
regardless of the weather. I feel like having fenders is the definitive way 
to make a bike a year round possibility, whether or not it’s a downpour.

- Luke in rainy, hailing San Francisco

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:

> That's great info, though too bad the 74s won't fit out of the box.
>
> Before giving up on 2.25s and fenders, I'd take some measurements and see 
> if Flat 65s would work in the frame and fork (and chain in low/low). If so 
> you should be able to get them setup with the 2.25s G-ones since they don't 
> really have knobs (assuming the tires actually measure out to 2.25 or less).
>
> I'm thinking that Smooth 62s with 50mm tires would work on my Platy so I'd 
> guess the Atlantis could do incrementally more.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have a set of smooth 74's in my shop for another bike (not yet fitted) 
>> and holding them up to my Atlantis, they don't fit without cutting and 
>>  heavily dimpling the fenders to fit between seat stays, also fork blades, 
>> and remove fender material around the chain stays.  Not for the faint of 
>> heart but looks possible with patience and proper jigs for setting the 
>> dimples just right.  There's little question that the fenders will fit over 
>> your tires, but on an Atlantis, it will take some work.  The problem I 
>> would worry about is this, by the time you dimple the fender enough to fit, 
>> you may have lost your clearance around the tire at those points.  If you 
>> remove metal at those edges where it is too tight then the structure of the 
>> fender is seriously compromised.  I'd go with a smooth 62 fender and 50mm 
>> tire on Atlantis and save the 74's w 2.25 tires for a bike with more 
>> clearance (like a Clem).  
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 1:21:11 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they 
>>> look to have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! 
>>> Ordering pronto. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left 
 this out.

 Kim.

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> Hi Luke,
>
> On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid 
> Rob 29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks 
> Honjo Smooth 74 steel fenders as yet to be.   
>
> Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy 
> for my bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks 
> in 
> Portland, Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred 
> me to Kevin, who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike 
> has 
> the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting 
> out 
> a section for clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached 
> pictures. I did not ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on 
> his 
> bike. I was more concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm 
> seat 
> post for my Clem. 
>
> All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with 
> accommodate 29x2.25" or 57.15mm tires. In the description of the those 
> fenders on the SimWorks website, the maximum tire size is 58~mm. 
>
> Hope this helps and not to confuse you.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA 
>
> ..changing out my chain and rear derailleur to new.
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:00:16 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> Or even a Smooth 74?
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:38:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” 
>>> Schwalbe Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x 
>>> Honjo Flat 65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit

Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Minh]

another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up,  though 
one caveat, i recently swapped out front racks, and the new one has a fork 
tang thats a little higher, requiring a very long straddle cable, braking 
has been fine but in my mind feels a little less stopping power.  

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:20:36 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
> significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not necessarily 
> champion this set-up over others. I went this route because (a) I, too, 
> felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, and (b) 
> had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 calipered 
> frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle across 3 
> (mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.
>
> I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, more 
> abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is not to 
> say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
> strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
> of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not funny 
> or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel lock 
> with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.
>
> I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; and 
> Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases where 
> quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 26" 
> dedicated trail bike. 
>
> Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
> Minimotos look sick with knobbies
> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
> Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks
>
> Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are mine, 
> hope they help.
>
> Patch in NYC
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
>> rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may or 
>> may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
>> priority to have them on the QB.
>>
>> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say it 
>> was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
>>> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
>>> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
>>> sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred to 
>>> run a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>>>
>>> Patch in NYC
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, good to have first-hand approval of the Hovers.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 6:03 AM Elisabeth Sherwood <
elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can confirm that the Specialized Hover bars are great, too!
>
> (They also have a version of the Hover with a flare at the drops, btw...)
>
> Cheers!
>
> -- Liz
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:39:28 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should
>> have mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.
>>
>> The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even
>> better:
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205&searchText=21018-3044
>>
>> I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with
>> the 15 mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.
>>
>> Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars
>> suit better.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood <
>> elisabeth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both
>>> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn
>>> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp
>>> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's
>>> is either the same, or 75mm...
>>>
>>> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>>>
>>> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>>>
>>> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only
>>> thing I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of
>>> others!
>>>
>>> Liz
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a
 regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a
 very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the
 cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable
 hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I
 realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the
 shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.

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[RBW] WTB ~55 Atlantis or Appaloosa

[Chris Dedinsky]

Hi Gang,

On the hunt for a ~55ish Atlantis/Appaloosa. To a lesser extent a Hillborne 
or Romanceur. Frameset or complete is ok. Older frame with the shorter 
chainstays also ok.

In Canada so ideally on this side of the border, or I'd have hopped on that 
gorgeous Appaloosa in Portland already. 

Have a 51 Atlantis and a 57 Heron Touring, of which I'd be willing trade 
either/or plus or minus cash/parts/what have you. Can send pictures to 
interested parties. Both in excellent condition. The Atlantis is like new, 
while the Heron has been my daily for the past couple of years. Has more 
wear with regards to cable rub, some slight decal peel such, but no 
dings/dents/chips.

Many thanks for any leads!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[George Schick]

Patrick - are you spec'ing a 31.8 clamp size because you're going to use 
the bars with possibly a threadless stem with a 4-bolt bar clamp?   If so, 
it's too bad that you don't want an anatomic bar because the one fits all 
of your other criteria better than some of the other recommendations is the 
the Ritchey BioMax II.  It has very flat ramps at the end of which the 
brake levers can be installed so as to allow a perfectly straight 
transition from the bar flats to the brake hoods.  It also has a very 
shallow drop - just about everything you're looking for except the ergo 
bend.

I have eyeballed the recommended Highway One bars from time to time because 
they, too, are shorter reach and have flatter ramps and shallower drops, 
but I don't understand why the drops extend so far back toward the rider - 
seems excessive.  I suppose one could cut these shorter to suit an 
individual preference...
 
Anyway, here's a look at the Ritchey bars, FYI.  They are ugly, I'll give 
you that, but I've never ridden a more comfortable road bar.
https://www.northrimadventure.com/product/ritchey-bicycle-components-pro-biomax-ii-road-handlebar-os-1653.htm


On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 4:06:34 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a regular 
> hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a very 
> short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the cut-down 
> Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable hood 
> position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>
> Thanks.
>
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>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB ~55 Atlantis or Appaloosa

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

PM sent

On Thursday, 12 January 2023 at 12:54:53 UTC-6 h...@chrisdedinsky.com wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> On the hunt for a ~55ish Atlantis/Appaloosa. To a lesser extent a 
> Hillborne or Romanceur. Frameset or complete is ok. Older frame with the 
> shorter chainstays also ok.
>
> In Canada so ideally on this side of the border, or I'd have hopped on 
> that gorgeous Appaloosa in Portland already. 
>
> Have a 51 Atlantis and a 57 Heron Touring, of which I'd be willing trade 
> either/or plus or minus cash/parts/what have you. Can send pictures to 
> interested parties. Both in excellent condition. The Atlantis is like new, 
> while the Heron has been my daily for the past couple of years. Has more 
> wear with regards to cable rub, some slight decal peel such, but no 
> dings/dents/chips.
>
> Many thanks for any leads!
> Chris
>
>

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[RBW] ISO/WTB: Selle Anatomica H1 black saddle

[Kim Hetzel]

 I am looking to buy a Selle Anatomica H1 (with steel rails with a weight 
limit of 250 lbs.) black saddle that is gently used or new and is in good 
condition. If you have one, send me an email off the LIST.

Thank-you,
Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

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[RBW] Re: BUMP…….FS: Hillborne

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

SOLD! Happy riding y’all!

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 2:38:57 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:

> Happy almost new year y’all! Just bumping this. 
>
> Up for sale is my 54 Sam Hillborne, purchased directly from Riv back in 
> 2019.
> Crust x Nitto Towelrack bars
> Silver cranks 
> Velocity Atlas Rims built up at Rivbike
> Nitto dirt drop stem
> Nitto seatpost
> Marathon Schwalbes 
> It's been ridden but not much. Saddle and pedals not included. 
>
> $2100. 
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:23 PM Ahmed Elgasseir  
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dave!!
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:00 PM DavidP  wrote:
>>
>>> For anyone wondering, Cane Creek brake components are made by Tektro. 
>>> The corresponding Tektro branded V-brake drop bar levers are the RL520, and 
>>> are functionality identical and much easier to find.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:48:33 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I had the same Cane Creek V-brake drop bar levers on my gallop 
 and they worked great!
 Max

 PS. If anyone is looking, I have a Nitto noodle handlebar with a short 
 Nitto stem, cane creek v-brake drop levers (poorly) wrapped in brooks 
 leather over Fizik bar gel that I'd be willing to sell (shifters not 
 included).

 [image: noodle.jpg]



 On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:43:41 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson 
 wrote:

> Oh good - those are V-specific levers. They work great!
>
> Philip 
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:53:09 AM UTC-8 
> aelga...@castilleja.org wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 8:27 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What brakes and levers specifically are you running?
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 9:11 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Braking is fantastic. I’ve had/have this set up on a number of bikes 
>>> and it’s always been stellar. 
>>>
>>> :-)
>>> A
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 6:46 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ahmed,
>>>
>>> How well does your brake set-up work? I'm wanting to run linear pull 
>>> brakes with hood brake levers myself, just like you. The hood brake 
>>> levers 
>>> I have are not long pull, and I'm wondering how they will work with my 
>>> v-brakes. I'm interested in hearing from those that have run NON long 
>>> pull 
>>> brake hood levers with v-brakes.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 07:34:19 PM MST, Ahmed Elgasseir <
>>> aelga...@castilleja.org> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Y'all!
>>> I'm thinning the herd to finance a new Roadini. Up for sale is my 54 
>>> Sam Hillborne, purchased directly from Riv back in 2019. It's been 
>>> ridden 
>>> but not much. Saddle and pedals not included. Posting it here, hoping I 
>>> don't have to go CL. $2500
>>>
>>> Happy Holidays!
>>> Ahmed in San Mateo
>>> [image: IMG_6900.jpg][image: IMG-4312.jpg]
>>>
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>>> 

[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[maxcr]

I had the Sim Works co-misirlou bar on my AHH on a short stem and liked it 
a lot: https://www.sim.works/products/co-misirlou-bar

>From the site:
Material :Heat Treated Aluminium
Width :390, 410, 430, 450mm (center - center at ends)
Center diam. :26.0mm
Bar diam. :23.8mm
Reach :85mm
Drop :140mm
Color :High-polished Silver & Gloss Black

Another option I had considered: Dajia Cycleworks Shallow Drop Handlebar 
but a quick google search didn't seem to result in places where you can get 
it.

Max
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:32:19 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Patrick - are you spec'ing a 31.8 clamp size because you're going to use 
> the bars with possibly a threadless stem with a 4-bolt bar clamp?   If so, 
> it's too bad that you don't want an anatomic bar because the one fits all 
> of your other criteria better than some of the other recommendations is the 
> the Ritchey BioMax II.  It has very flat ramps at the end of which the 
> brake levers can be installed so as to allow a perfectly straight 
> transition from the bar flats to the brake hoods.  It also has a very 
> shallow drop - just about everything you're looking for except the ergo 
> bend.
>
> I have eyeballed the recommended Highway One bars from time to time 
> because they, too, are shorter reach and have flatter ramps and shallower 
> drops, but I don't understand why the drops extend so far back toward the 
> rider - seems excessive.  I suppose one could cut these shorter to suit an 
> individual preference...
>  
> Anyway, here's a look at the Ritchey bars, FYI.  They are ugly, I'll give 
> you that, but I've never ridden a more comfortable road bar.
>
> https://www.northrimadventure.com/product/ritchey-bicycle-components-pro-biomax-ii-road-handlebar-os-1653.htm
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 4:06:34 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a 
>> regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a 
>> very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the 
>> cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable 
>> hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Sackville Small Trunk Sack - Tan color

[Carl G]

Updating to mark as *Sold*. Thanks.


On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 12:25:58 PM UTC-8 Carl G wrote:

> Still available, so price dropped to *$85 shipped to US address.*
>
> Please contact me directly if interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:28:51 PM UTC-8 Carl G wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> FS: Riv Sackville Small Trunk Sack - Tan color
>>
>> I decided to go another route with this so no longer have a need for this 
>> bag. Used once or twice, basically new condition.
>>
>> $95 shipped in the continental US. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> [image: sackville-trunk-small.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Clean pair of Shimano BL-r600 brake levers

[J G]

Good Day,

Looking for a clean pair of Shimano BL-r600 brake levers if anyone has a 
pair they are willing to part with.

Lots of functionally similar levers out there including the r400s, but I am 
specifically interested in only this model for the hot dish of a build in 
progress.

Thanks for your consideration...

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[JohnS]

Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences with Paul brakes. I do like 
the way the brake cable connects to the minimotos, same as a v-brake, no 
cable hanger required. I'm planning to have a small front rack. I'll have 
to make sure the rack tang doesn't interfere with the brake cable as it 
connects across to brake arm. Looks like it wasn't an issue for Patch on 
his QB, just above the fender and below the rack tang.

JohnS

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:

> another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up,  though 
> one caveat, i recently swapped out front racks, and the new one has a fork 
> tang thats a little higher, requiring a very long straddle cable, braking 
> has been fine but in my mind feels a little less stopping power.  
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:20:36 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
>> significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not necessarily 
>> champion this set-up over others. I went this route because (a) I, too, 
>> felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, and (b) 
>> had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 calipered 
>> frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle across 3 
>> (mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.
>>
>> I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, more 
>> abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is not to 
>> say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
>> strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
>> of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not funny 
>> or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel lock 
>> with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.
>>
>> I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; and 
>> Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases where 
>> quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 26" 
>> dedicated trail bike. 
>>
>> Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
>> Minimotos look sick with knobbies
>> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
>> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
>> Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks
>>
>> Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are mine, 
>> hope they help.
>>
>> Patch in NYC
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
>>> rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may or 
>>> may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
>>> priority to have them on the QB.
>>>
>>> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say it 
>>> was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
 The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
 I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
 sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred 
 to 
 run a Minimoto on the rear as well.

 Patch in NYC

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Philip Williamson]

On my Quickbeam, the only Paul braking bits I've got are green Moon Units. 
I have used the Neo-Retro / Touring setup on another bike, and switched to 
Minimotos due to brake judder. I've never had judder on my Quickbeam. As 
Mark said, regular road levers work with both minimotos and cantis. 

I love minimotos. They stop great. They look a little funny, since they 
aren't symmetrical. Setup was easy. I think you could flip some washers 
around to get the noodle side of the brake not to knock the fender. 

A Minimoto in front seems like the opposite strategy from a Neo-retro in 
front. Paul Tourings are stronger brakes than Neo-retros, and Minimotos are 
stronger yet. I doubt in practice you'd notice. 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences with Paul brakes. I do like 
> the way the brake cable connects to the minimotos, same as a v-brake, no 
> cable hanger required. I'm planning to have a small front rack. I'll have 
> to make sure the rack tang doesn't interfere with the brake cable as it 
> connects across to brake arm. Looks like it wasn't an issue for Patch on 
> his QB, just above the fender and below the rack tang.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>
>> another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up,  though 
>> one caveat, i recently swapped out front racks, and the new one has a fork 
>> tang thats a little higher, requiring a very long straddle cable, braking 
>> has been fine but in my mind feels a little less stopping power.  
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:20:36 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
>>> significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not necessarily 
>>> champion this set-up over others. I went this route because (a) I, too, 
>>> felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, and (b) 
>>> had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 calipered 
>>> frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle across 3 
>>> (mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.
>>>
>>> I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, more 
>>> abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is not to 
>>> say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
>>> strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
>>> of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not funny 
>>> or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel lock 
>>> with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.
>>>
>>> I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; and 
>>> Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases where 
>>> quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 26" 
>>> dedicated trail bike. 
>>>
>>> Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
>>> Minimotos look sick with knobbies
>>> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
>>> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
>>> Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks
>>>
>>> Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are mine, 
>>> hope they help.
>>>
>>> Patch in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
 rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may 
 or 
 may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
 priority to have them on the QB.

 Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say 
 it was better or as good as other brake set ups?

 Thanks,
 JohnS

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
> sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred 
> to 
> run a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>
> Patch in NYC
>


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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTB: Selle Anatomica H1 black saddle

[Kim Hetzel]

I have found a Selle Anatomica H1 "Black/Gunmetal" saddle to my liking. 

Thank-you all who inquired to my request. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 1:15:58 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> I am looking to buy a Selle Anatomica H1 (with steel rails with a weight 
> limit of 250 lbs.) black saddle that is gently used or new and is in good 
> condition. If you have one, send me an email off the LIST.
>
> Thank-you,
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Joe Bernard]

I think there's one call for Motolites in this thread so I'm throwing down 
a second one. They're great, I love them, they should be the only brakes on 
all bikes. Is what I'm saying.

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 6:18:18 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:

> On my Quickbeam, the only Paul braking bits I've got are green Moon Units. 
> I have used the Neo-Retro / Touring setup on another bike, and switched to 
> Minimotos due to brake judder. I've never had judder on my Quickbeam. As 
> Mark said, regular road levers work with both minimotos and cantis. 
>
> I love minimotos. They stop great. They look a little funny, since they 
> aren't symmetrical. Setup was easy. I think you could flip some washers 
> around to get the noodle side of the brake not to knock the fender. 
>
> A Minimoto in front seems like the opposite strategy from a Neo-retro in 
> front. Paul Tourings are stronger brakes than Neo-retros, and Minimotos are 
> stronger yet. I doubt in practice you'd notice. 
>
> Philip 
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences with Paul brakes. I do like 
>> the way the brake cable connects to the minimotos, same as a v-brake, no 
>> cable hanger required. I'm planning to have a small front rack. I'll have 
>> to make sure the rack tang doesn't interfere with the brake cable as it 
>> connects across to brake arm. Looks like it wasn't an issue for Patch on 
>> his QB, just above the fender and below the rack tang.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>>
>>> another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up,  though 
>>> one caveat, i recently swapped out front racks, and the new one has a fork 
>>> tang thats a little higher, requiring a very long straddle cable, braking 
>>> has been fine but in my mind feels a little less stopping power.  
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:20:36 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
 significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not 
 necessarily champion this set-up over others. I went this route because 
 (a) 
 I, too, felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, 
 and (b) had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 
 calipered frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle 
 across 3 (mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.

 I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, more 
 abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is not to 
 say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
 strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
 of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not 
 funny 
 or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel 
 lock 
 with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.

 I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; and 
 Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases where 
 quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 26" 
 dedicated trail bike. 

 Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
 Minimotos look sick with knobbies
 Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
 Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
 Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks

 Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are 
 mine, hope they help.

 Patch in NYC


 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a 
> rear rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I 
> may or may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them 
> so 
> not a priority to have them on the QB.
>
> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say 
> it was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
>> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
>> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
>> sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred 
>> to 
>> run a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>>
>> Patch in NYC
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Joe Bernard]

Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I need 
somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with it and 
scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go! 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 

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[RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Kim Hetzel]

Nice humorous perspective, Joe.

Smiles to you.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I need 
> somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with it and 
> scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go! 
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Joe Bernard]

Hehe, it's not even an accurate perspective, I think Gus and Susie are 
going to hold their value for a long time. Y'all should buy them and keep 
them! 

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> Nice humorous perspective, Joe.
>
> Smiles to you.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I need 
>> somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with it and 
>> scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 
>>
>>

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