[RBW] Re: FS: Rons Bikes Small Fabio Chest

2023-01-28 Thread JW
*SOLD!*
On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 6:47:06 AM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Love that color.  I'd buy it if someone would want my Field Tan Fab's 
> Chest.  
>
> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 2:44:21 PM UTC-5 JW wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> Up for sale is a small Fab's Chest in olive. 
>>
>> Only used twice to retrieve mail, I've just realized I'm more of a basket 
>> kinda guy.
>>
>> Like new condition, $250 + shipping via Pirate Ship.
>>
>> Please respond off list if interested.
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

2023-01-28 Thread Keith P.
Another lovely bike and another beautiful video, Eric.  
I've watched it a couple of times now. (The kids will come in and groan 
"oh, the bike guy again,"  but then stay and watch the whole thing.) 
I know how much thought and work and effort goes into all that coverage. I 
really appreciate how much love you put into them.

Looks like you found some round-headed brass bolts for your bottle mounts. 
Nice find.

Paul, that Trek is a treat. What a color!

k.

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 9:18:58 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> Another vote for Jen Green’s fine work. She did a head badge, made from 
> nickel, for me several years ago.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 9:39 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> JohnS — Let us know how it turns out!
>>
>> Rich — Thanks for the thumbs, Rich. I put a little more effort into the 
>> still photo documentation this time around, my iPhone 8 just couldn't 
>> render the metal surface and details. 
>>
>> Paul — Thank you! I hadn't seen Jen Green's work, thanks for the link. 
>> The Bontrager is rad! Looks like you put a lot of labor and love into it. A 
>> proper headbadge always beats a decal!
>>
>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:20:00 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>> I finally got to view your superb YouTube video - wonderfully relaxing! 
>>> (As well as informative, of course.)
>>> I loved all the attention you put into the headbadge, too. You may 
>>> already know, but a gal in Philly, Jen Green, does custom head badges and 
>>> does a great job. (She works in bronze too, but maybe not brass.)  
>>> Revolution Cycle Jewelry: 
>>> https://www.headbadges.com/store/c2/Headbadges.html
>>> I had her make a Bontrager badge a few years ago for my CX bike that I 
>>> had Keith Bontrager build for me in 1989. 
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/48051561606/in/dateposted-public/
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]

 Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I 
 have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg

 [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]

 I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but 
 for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame 
 over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork 
 and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss 
 to 
 the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
 stripped the frame to raw steel. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]

 Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
 patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and 
 wax. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]

 It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
 De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
 RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
 Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
 Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]

 I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
 which I shaped and finished. 

 [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]

 Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
 M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
 my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
 Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 

 Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
 them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 

 • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
 • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
 • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
 • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
 • Kasai 32H front hub
 • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
 • Busch + Müller light mount
 • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
 • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
 • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
 • Suntour Superbe levers
 • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
 • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
 • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
 • Dia Compe yoke hangers
 • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
 • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
 • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
 • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
 • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
 • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
 • MKS XC-III pedals
 • Suntour AR front derailer
 • Shimano XTR 

[RBW] FS Road Holland jerseies, medium size

2023-01-28 Thread Ed Felker
My closet cleanout continues! Here are six lightly used Road Holland wool
blend jersies, four short sleeve and two long sleeve. All are in good shape
with no exterior or interior staining. Fenders really pay off in keeping
jersies looking good.

Photos here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1K2tqZIa4sWtLt-wjvSHXcF_s0OeTLGsN

Price: $30 each plus flat rate shipping of $10 via USPS or UPS. Multiple
item orders get priority. I'll sort through all responses on Sunday Jan. 29
in the evening East Coast time.

Short sleeve:
Light blue - 2
Red - 1
Green -1

Long sleeve:
Light blue - 1
Green - 1

Ed Felker
Washington, DC

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Re: [RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

2023-01-28 Thread R Shannon
Another vote for Jen Green’s fine work. She did a head badge, made from
nickel, for me several years ago.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 9:39 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:

> JohnS — Let us know how it turns out!
>
> Rich — Thanks for the thumbs, Rich. I put a little more effort into the
> still photo documentation this time around, my iPhone 8 just couldn't
> render the metal surface and details.
>
> Paul — Thank you! I hadn't seen Jen Green's work, thanks for the link. The
> Bontrager is rad! Looks like you put a lot of labor and love into it. A
> proper headbadge always beats a decal!
>
> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:20:00 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>> I finally got to view your superb YouTube video - wonderfully relaxing!
>> (As well as informative, of course.)
>> I loved all the attention you put into the headbadge, too. You may
>> already know, but a gal in Philly, Jen Green, does custom head badges and
>> does a great job. (She works in bronze too, but maybe not brass.)
>> Revolution Cycle Jewelry:
>> https://www.headbadges.com/store/c2/Headbadges.html
>> I had her make a Bontrager badge a few years ago for my CX bike that I
>> had Keith Bontrager build for me in 1989.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/48051561606/in/dateposted-public/
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>>>
>>> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I
>>> have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>>>
>>> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but
>>> for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame
>>> over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork
>>> and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to
>>> the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also
>>> stripped the frame to raw steel.
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>>>
>>> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of
>>> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax.
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>>>
>>> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver.
>>> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR
>>> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan.
>>> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto
>>> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger.
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>>>
>>> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo
>>> which I shaped and finished.
>>>
>>> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>>>
>>> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR
>>> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at
>>> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat
>>> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front.
>>>
>>> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed
>>> them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M.
>>>
>>> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
>>> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
>>> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
>>> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
>>> • Kasai 32H front hub
>>> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
>>> • Busch + Müller light mount
>>> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
>>> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
>>> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
>>> • Suntour Superbe levers
>>> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
>>> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
>>> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
>>> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
>>> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
>>> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp
>>> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset
>>> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm
>>> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket
>>> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
>>> • MKS XC-III pedals
>>> • Suntour AR front derailer
>>> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer
>>> • Suntour XC Pro seat post
>>> • Brooks Conquest saddle
>>> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
>>> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
>>> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing
>>> • Sim Works x Hoshi
>>> • M5 brass socket head screws
>>> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>>>
>>> Larger pictures here:
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Thanks for lookin'!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bar End Shifters and Shimano 600 HS

2023-01-28 Thread Mike Ullmer
Bump and open to offers on remaining shifters and HS

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 9:59 AM Michael Ullmer  wrote:

> Suntour Barcons and 9sp shifters are sold pending payment.
>
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 7:24:15 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Cross posting from the i-bob list:
>>
>> More parts from the bin. I found some mates for some orphan shifters I
>> had in a previous post and did some drivetrain swapping. Prices are net to
>> me. I use Pirateship for shipping which has been very reasonable.
>>
>> 1) Suntour Barcons - $40
>>
>> 2) 9sp Shimano Bar Ends - $50
>> --Shows some cosmetic wear, all the clicks are there. Can also be run
>> friction
>>
>> 3) 10s Shimano Bar Ends - SL-BS78 - $60
>> --There are the version that can be run friction or 10 speed
>>
>> 4) 10s Shimano Bar Ends - SL-BS79 (SIS only) - $50
>> --These show some wear, but all the clicks are there. SIS only, no
>> friction option.
>>
>> 5) Shimano 600 HP-6207 1" HS - $50
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/zQ2cQt27DKmfXhgc9
>>
>> Mike in Minneapolis who's anxiously awaiting delivery of his Trek 640
>> from Prairie Crow Bikeworks that will have loads of new braze-ons,
>> re-spaced to 130, and 650b canti-studs. More to come on that later.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Baggins Bags - Banana Seat Bag and Candy Handlebar Bag Set

2023-01-28 Thread Mike Ullmer
Weekend bump, $80 net to me on these

On Tue, Jan 24, 2023, 9:25 PM Michael Ullmer  wrote:

> Bump on these, $90 net to me
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:50:23 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> I've got two Baggins bags for sale I'm selling as a set:
>>
>> The Banana Bag shows the most wear/beausage/patina. No rips in the
>> fabric, just well used. The leather piping shows some cracks and there's
>> some reflective red rape on some of the leather. Stiffener along the top of
>> the bag is present. Overall the bag is darker than the Candy Bag. The Candy
>> bag is in much better shape, shows a lot less use. I believe these were
>> both made by Duluth Pack back in the day.
>>
>> Looking for $100 net to me
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/AcCS4HqUancMnRdq5
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rons Bikes Small Fabio Chest

2023-01-28 Thread Pam Bikes
Love that color.  I'd buy it if someone would want my Field Tan Fab's 
Chest.  

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 2:44:21 PM UTC-5 JW wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> Up for sale is a small Fab's Chest in olive. 
>
> Only used twice to retrieve mail, I've just realized I'm more of a basket 
> kinda guy.
>
> Like new condition, $250 + shipping via Pirate Ship.
>
> Please respond off list if interested.
>
> Thanks :)
>
> Jared
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

2023-01-28 Thread Eric Marth
JohnS — Let us know how it turns out!

Rich — Thanks for the thumbs, Rich. I put a little more effort into the 
still photo documentation this time around, my iPhone 8 just couldn't 
render the metal surface and details. 

Paul — Thank you! I hadn't seen Jen Green's work, thanks for the link. The 
Bontrager is rad! Looks like you put a lot of labor and love into it. A 
proper headbadge always beats a decal!

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:20:00 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Eric,
> I finally got to view your superb YouTube video - wonderfully relaxing! 
> (As well as informative, of course.)
> I loved all the attention you put into the headbadge, too. You may already 
> know, but a gal in Philly, Jen Green, does custom head badges and does a 
> great job. (She works in bronze too, but maybe not brass.)  
> Revolution Cycle Jewelry: 
> https://www.headbadges.com/store/c2/Headbadges.html
> I had her make a Bontrager badge a few years ago for my CX bike that I had 
> Keith Bontrager build for me in 1989. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/48051561606/in/dateposted-public/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>>
>> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have 
>> a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>>
>> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for 
>> the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to 
>> Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat 
>> stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the 
>> downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
>> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>>
>> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
>> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax. 
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>>
>> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
>> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
>> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
>> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
>> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>>
>> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
>> which I shaped and finished. 
>>
>> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>>
>> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
>> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
>> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
>> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>>
>> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
>> them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>>
>> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
>> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
>> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
>> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
>> • Kasai 32H front hub
>> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
>> • Busch + Müller light mount
>> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
>> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
>> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
>> • Suntour Superbe levers
>> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
>> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
>> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
>> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
>> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
>> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
>> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
>> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
>> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
>> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
>> • MKS XC-III pedals
>> • Suntour AR front derailer
>> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
>> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
>> • Brooks Conquest saddle
>> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
>> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
>> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
>> • Sim Works x Hoshi
>> • M5 brass socket head screws
>> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>>
>> Larger pictures here: 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> Thanks for lookin'! 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rosco Platypus 50cm Purple

2023-01-28 Thread dane...@gmail.com
Hey!

Actually, I didn't buy it as I'm really just lookin for a frame set not a 
complete bike.  Someone on the list does have one they are willing to sell 
and I'm thinking it over right now.  Thanks for the help guys.

-Dan
Jersey

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:53:29 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I believe its gone because Dan bought it.
>
> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:06:24 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Call Riv...you might get lucky
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/riv-garage-sale?mc_cid=8b1b264f50_eid=0074b52ae1
>>
>> Oops...sorry looks like it's gone
>>
>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 4:19:28 PM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> For other Rosco Platypus seekers, this looks like a great deal for a 
>>> 60cm purple: 
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/60cm-rosco-platy-demo-bike
>>>
>>> Max
>>> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 3:22:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Nice! Is it the 55 I mentioned or did you find a 50? 

 On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 7:22:33 AM UTC-8 dane...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> You guys weren't wrong! Will sent me a photo of a complete demo they 
> are selling. 
>
> -Dan
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:48:30 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I guess the odds are that Rivendell is completely sold out but I have 
>> always learned to call and ask. I have gotten all kinds of sold out 
>> stuff 
>> from them because they "didn't know they had it" or "forgot to list it"
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:59:18 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> About $400. (+ what Joe said)
>>>
>>> I ended up buying a regular/swoopy Platy but it was the Rosco (and 
>>> its price) that first got me thinking about the possibilities of a Riv 
>>> step-through.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:56:23 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What’s the diff between the Platy and Rosco Platy ?

 On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 2:46 PM Joe Bernard  
 wrote:

> Also of anybody wants the 55 Mermaid Rosco Platy prototype it may 
> still be there. I thought Riv was going to post it for sale but I've 
> never 
> seen it..call em up! 
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:44:02 PM UTC-8 cjus...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Regarding end of year stock:  They were restocked on the site at 
>> end of year with a limited amount and have all sold.
>>
>> Regarding Crust:  I think they just have the Platy in stock, not 
>> the Rosco Platy.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:16:26 AM UTC-6 
>> eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Crust has all sizes right now. You don’t even have to pay twice 
>>> for shipping.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 5:23 AM Johnny Alien <
>>> johnny@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Maybe you should call and ask Rivendell. They said at the end 
 of the year that they had some back stock of all sizes and colors 
 of the 
 Rosco Platy. Its not listed on the site though. 

 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:59:31 AM UTC-5 
 dane...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey.  
>
> Curious if anyone here might have one they are looking to 
> sell?  Could be a frameset or possibly a complete.
>
> Thanks
> -Dan
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