[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 FFHS+

[Valerie Yates]

I forgot to mention that this frame size has 650b wheels. It is currently 
shown with size 50-584 (aka 27.5 x 2.00) tires but it has plenty of space 
for a larger tire. The tire size as shown is limited by the Axa frame lock, 
which is convenient but not necessary and can be removed. 

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:31:39 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> After a change of heart on selling my Rosco Bubbe, I am offering for sale 
> my low mileage, beautiful honey mustard 2016 Clem H 52 frame, fork, headset 
> & bottom bracket along with the following included extras:
> Tektro v-brakes front and rear
> Shimano Claris front derailleur
> Shimano Altus rear derailleur
> Clem stock seat-post
> Kickstand
> Axa frame lock with 2 keys
>
> The price for the above is $800. I will pay to have it boxed for shipping 
> and buyer pays actual shipping costs.   Local pick-up possible in or near 
> Boulder CO.  
>
> More pictures here 
>
> [image: PXL_20230621_005356861~2.jpg]
>
> *Optional extras listed below.*  If the frame buyer doesn't want them, 
> open to other buyers for prices shown plus actual price of shipping.
>
> Silver Crank 173 (CG-38-24) +$250
>
> Front and Rear Wheels: Alex rims with multi-colored spoke nipples, Clem 
> hubs and 8 speed 11-32 casette (tires not included): +$150 
>
> Cockpit as a set: Nitto Bosco Cro-Mo 55 handlebar with Misha cork grips, 
> Sunrace m90 thumbie friction shifters, Tektro brake levers, and Nitto 
> (likely Tallux) 12 cm stem: +$150
>
> Pletscher Clem Rack with pump, pannier rails and tail light mount: +50 
>
> Clem stock saddle and pedals: No charge
>
> Interested? Let me know. Happy to discuss. 
>
> Best,
>
> Val in Boulder CO
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Silver 2 Shifters with Bar End Mounts; Shimano BL-R400 Brake Levers; Rustines Plugs

[Huston]

Update:

1. Silver 2 Shifters with bar end mounts. *SOLD*.

2. Shimano BL-R400 brake levers.  The tried and true Tiagra/Sora version 
that Rivendell sells.  Levers have been installed but are like new.  Cables 
and housing just left the box for pics.  $40.00 shipped to CONUS.

3. Rustines Constructeur rubber bar end plugs in gum/brown.  These plugs 
can be a bit elusive in the U.S.  Like new condition.  Includes one pair of 
plugs and box.  $17.00 shipped to CONUS.

Thanks,
Huston
Lexington, KY
On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 4:06:47 PM UTC-4 Huston wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> A couple of Riv and Riv-ish bits for your consideration:
>
> 1. Silver 2 Shifters with bar end mounts. All the hardware is here.  The 
> shifters have been installed on a build that didn't materialize.  They are 
> like new.  The mounts show a bit of "shop wear" from leaning on the wall. 
>  $95.00 shipped to CONUS.
>
> 2. Shimano BL-R400 brake levers.  The tried and true Tiagra/Sora version 
> that Rivendell sells.  Levers have been installed but are like new.  Cables 
> and housing just left the box for pics.  $40.00 shipped to CONUS.
>
> 3. Rustines Constructeur rubber bar end plugs in gum/brown.  These plugs 
> can be a bit elusive in the U.S.  Like new condition.  Includes one pair of 
> plugs and box.  $17.00 shipped to CONUS.
>
> Photos are available here 
> .
>  
>  Please send a PM if you are interested.  Thanks for looking.
>
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
>

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[RBW] WTS: Paul Neo Retro (Silver)

[Eliot B]

Selling 1 bikes worth of Neo Retro brakes in Silver.

1 set brand new and 1 set lightly used. Hangers and straddle wires 
included. Brake pads are not. 

Asking $160 for the set. Willing to split ($90 new, $80 used)

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Re: [RBW] Plush old 531 steel frames (was being precious)

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’m not an expert, but I believe that most/all of the bikes from the Alex 
Singer shop were made with 531. My two Singers are. 

One is made of the more unusual “531 Professional” tubeset, which featured 
thinner walls for lighter weight than standard 531 tubing.

531 Professional is rumored to be less durable than 531 because of the thinner 
walls, but I regularly ride the 531 Pro Singer (built in 1983) without any 
problems … and I’m by no means a “light” rider.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Jun 21, 2023, at 3:27 PM, Ted Durant  wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 2:38:16 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
> I've read that the PX-10 as well as old Raleigh Internationals from about the 
> same period (late '60s and early '70s?) had plush yet nimble rides, I guess a 
> combination of long, narrow-gauge, not-thick-wall tubes and gentle angles? I 
> can't say that my contemporaneous Motobecane (1973, I was told and it looked 
> right for that period) felt superlative, but it had no vices.
> 
> Time for a thread split!
> 
> As some of you may know, my Holdsworth Special, a late-70's British handbuilt 
> 531 standard tube frame with parallel 73d angles, was my "frame" of reference 
> going into the Heron project. Even though we used OS tubes for the Herons, I 
> have always felt my prototype Heron Road has some of the magic.
> 
> In the 70's I worked in a bike shop that carried Fuji. The shop in the next 
> town over carried Motobecane. It was a bit of a Ford vs Chevy thing for a 
> very (VERY) small group of us. I test rode the Motobecanes and never liked 
> their handling much. My Fujis, on the other hand, always felt perfect to me. 
> Turns out they had super long fork rakes / short trail.
> 
> Another place in the area carried Raleigh. The guy I rode with the most had a 
> Raleigh GS, and another friend had an International. After crashing my Fuji 
> S10-S into the side of a car, I borrowed the International for our high 
> school's inaugural Earth Day bike race. Despite the frame being way too big 
> for me, I managed to get my one and only win in my career, beating a few of 
> those Motobecane fanboys. Super sweet ride, but handling more like a 
> Motobecane than a Fuji, which was fine for a race around the high school 
> parking lot! The S10-S was replaced by a Fuji America, which also ran into a 
> car. That was replaced by the Holdsworth, and I became a devout believer in 
> 531 voodoo. 
> 
> Reynolds made 531 in a variety of wall thicknesses, so it can be hard to tell 
> what's in a frame with generic labels. Sometimes they'll have labels that are 
> more specific but, well, it's possible the label isn't correct! If you really 
> want to know, find someone with a wall thickness measuring device.
> 
> In the spring of 1980 I went to France with a music group. In Paris I went to 
> the rooftop of a department store where they were displaying bikes from Tour 
> de France winners. Holy moly, those frames had been through the wars. Dents 
> all over the place, especially the top tubes. My guess is those guys were 
> using _really_ thin walls.
> 
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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[RBW] Plush old 531 steel frames (was being precious)

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 2:38:16 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

I've read that the PX-10 as well as old Raleigh Internationals from about 
the same period (late '60s and early '70s?) had plush yet nimble rides, I 
guess a combination of long, narrow-gauge, not-thick-wall tubes and gentle 
angles? I can't say that my contemporaneous Motobecane (1973, I was told 
and it looked right for that period) felt superlative, but it had no vices.


Time for a thread split!

As some of you may know, my Holdsworth Special, a late-70's British 
handbuilt 531 standard tube frame with parallel 73d angles, was my "frame" 
of reference going into the Heron project. Even though we used OS tubes for 
the Herons, I have always felt my prototype Heron Road has some of the 
magic.

In the 70's I worked in a bike shop that carried Fuji. The shop in the next 
town over carried Motobecane. It was a bit of a Ford vs Chevy thing for a 
very (VERY) small group of us. I test rode the Motobecanes and never liked 
their handling much. My Fujis, on the other hand, always felt perfect to 
me. Turns out they had super long fork rakes / short trail.

Another place in the area carried Raleigh. The guy I rode with the most had 
a Raleigh GS, and another friend had an International. After crashing my 
Fuji S10-S into the side of a car, I borrowed the International for our 
high school's inaugural Earth Day bike race. Despite the frame being way 
too big for me, I managed to get my one and only win in my career, beating 
a few of those Motobecane fanboys. Super sweet ride, but handling more like 
a Motobecane than a Fuji, which was fine for a race around the high school 
parking lot! The S10-S was replaced by a Fuji America, which also ran into 
a car. That was replaced by the Holdsworth, and I became a devout believer 
in 531 voodoo. 

Reynolds made 531 in a variety of wall thicknesses, so it can be hard to 
tell what's in a frame with generic labels. Sometimes they'll have labels 
that are more specific but, well, it's possible the label isn't correct! If 
you really want to know, find someone with a wall thickness measuring 
device.

In the spring of 1980 I went to France with a music group. In Paris I went 
to the rooftop of a department store where they were displaying bikes from 
Tour de France winners. Holy moly, those frames had been through the wars. 
Dents all over the place, especially the top tubes. My guess is those guys 
were using _really_ thin walls.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] FS: Edgevale Canvas Shorts 34W MUSA

[Dave Grossman]

I actually found about Edgevale from the group a bunch of years back when 
someone posted about a Chambray shirt they had purchased.  Since then I 
have purchased a myriad of items from Edgevale.  

They are made in California, 9 oz canvas, gusseted crotch, and an 8.75" 
inseam.  Both are 34 waist.  They have a few marks from use but overall are 
in great condition. These are durable for all sorts of activities, 
especially riding.  I have fallen in love with stretchy pants this year so 
I am downsizing a bit of my canvas collection.

Asking $40 Shipped CONUS for the pair

Pics Here:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/CgEapSsmmbG8agcb6

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Re: [RBW] Derailleurs, Bars, a Bag and a Bell

[Matthew Williams]

Acorn bag 2 has been sold!

Items still available:

Nitto Boscomoose 580mm
Dullbrite CroMo TIG-welded
Used, in good condition.
200.00 or best offer.
I’d prefer to sell these locally so SFBA folks get first dibs.


Shimano Altus FD-M311
Bottom pull. 34.9mm clamp. Adapter shims included.
New, never used or mounted.
20.00 or best offer.


Shimano Deore XT FD-M378
Bottom pull. 28.6mm clamp.
New, never used or mounted.
70.00 or best offer.


Shimano FD-R2000
Bottom pull. 34.9mm clamp. 
Used, in good condition.
40.00 or best offer.


Free shipping anywhere in the US of A.
No international shipping, sorry.

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[RBW] FS - Silver 2 Shifters with Bar End Mounts; Shimano BL-R400 Brake Levers; Rustines Plugs

[Huston]

Greetings,

A couple of Riv and Riv-ish bits for your consideration:

1. Silver 2 Shifters with bar end mounts. All the hardware is here.  The 
shifters have been installed on a build that didn't materialize.  They are 
like new.  The mounts show a bit of "shop wear" from leaning on the wall. 
 $95.00 shipped to CONUS.

2. Shimano BL-R400 brake levers.  The tried and true Tiagra/Sora version 
that Rivendell sells.  Levers have been installed but are like new.  Cables 
and housing just left the box for pics.  $40.00 shipped to CONUS.

3. Rustines Constructeur rubber bar end plugs in gum/brown.  These plugs 
can be a bit elusive in the U.S.  Like new condition.  Includes one pair of 
plugs and box.  $17.00 shipped to CONUS.

Photos are available here 
.
 
 Please send a PM if you are interested.  Thanks for looking.

Huston
Lexington, KY

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[RBW] FS - Riv Bits - Silver 2 Shifters and Bar End Mounts; Shimano BL-R400 Brake Levers

[Huston]

Greetings,

A couple of Riv bits for your consideration:

1. Silver 2 Shifters with bar end mounts. All the hardware is here.  The 
shifters have been installed on a build that didn't materialize.  They are 
like new.  The mounts show a bit of "shop wear" from leaning on the wall.  
$95.00 shipped to CONUS.

2. Shimano BL-R400 brake levers.  The tried and true Tiagra/Sora version 
that Rivendell sells.  Levers have been installed but are like new.  Cables 
and housing just left the box for pics.  $40.00 shipped to CONUS.

Photos are available here 
.
  
Please send a PM if you are interested.  Thanks for looking.

Huston
Lexington, KY

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[RBW] FS - Riv Bits - Silver 2 Shifters & Pods; Shimano R400 Brakes

[Huston]

Greetings,

A couple of Riv bits for your consideration:

1. Silver 2 Shifters with bar end mounts. All the hardware is here.  The 
shifters have been installed on a build that didn't materialize.  They are 
like new.  The mounts show a bit of "shop wear" from leaning on the wall.  
$95.00 shipped to CONUS.

2. Shimano BL-R400 brake levers.  The tried and true Tiagra/Sora version 
that Rivendell sells.  Levers have been installed but are like new.  Cables 
and housing just left the box for pics.  $40.00 shipped to CONUS.

Photos are available here 
.
  
Please send a PM if you are interested.  Thanks for looking.

Huston
Lexington, KY

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Patrick Moore]

It's really too bad that they stopped making those baskets. Wicker is
wonderful stuff; I recall verandah furniture in 1960s India hand-made from
cane wicker; tough stuff, tho' it did tend to flex when old and make neat
creaking sounds. But so much more honest than cheap-shite aluminum and
plastic webbing, and much longer lasting. I recall that cheap split-wood
(?) bushel and smaller baskets were common cheap bulk produce containers in
1960s grocery stores and, even in early 1980s Quebec supermarches, Ste.
Anne de Beaupre strawberries would be stacked in season in disposable ~
 half-gallon-sized split wood baskets.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 9:32 AM Jamie Hascall  wrote:

> To answer Patrick's other questions about the baskets on Betsy's Glorious,
> they came from Velo-Orange and were made by an Amish family in Minnesota. I
> had totally forgotten that but when I searched for "Amish bicycle basket",
> the post from their blog came up. Astonishing!  Sadly, they didn't continue
> in production. Check it out.
> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2007/02/amish-baskets-for-bikes.html
>

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Patrick Moore]

I've read that the PX-10 as well as old Raleigh Internationals from about
the same period (late '60s and early '70s?) had plush yet nimble rides, I
guess a combination of long, narrow-gauge, not-thick-wall tubes and gentle
angles? I can't say that my contemporaneous Motobecane (1973, I was told
and it looked right for that period) felt superlative, but it had no vices.
The frame and fork *were* light compared to my 2003 custom Riv which at 58
c-c weighed 7 lb f+f+hs. That Libertas, also late '60s or early '70s that I
keep on bleating about is 60 c-c (tho' severely undersquare with 56 c-c tt)
and *with steel Campy headset* weighs (wait for it; but you've heard it
many times before): 5.9 lb.

Back to users versus wall art: I just got back from a short (11 1/2 mile),
breezy but withal very pleasant grocery detour (went North and East to get
to a Sprout's that is 1 mile directly South of me) on the 2003's
replacement, 2020 Matthews with SA hub* and .8 .4 .8 standard gauge 531
tubes; what a sweet ride even with f and r panniers catching the Southerly
headwind. I carried home some 30-35 lb of food and drink in f & r Ortlieb
Backrollers and sure, the frame is a bit whippy for such loads (tho' I've
carried 50 lb f+r with, if not aplomb, at least with grace), but with good
racks it certainly handles grocery loads better than a 1992 XO-1!

* The SA hub is an AM. But!!! Even as we chat, Aaron the Seattle
IGH-meister is arranging the transplantation of a -- I guess 1950s because
it has the more modern 3-spline driver -- ASC 3-speed fixed gear hub, the
ne plus ultra and ultima Thule of weirdo 3 speed hubs from a
thin-alum-flange 40-hole shell into a modern thick alum flange 32 hole
shell; *and* he is swapping in a threaded driver so that I can use a single
speed fw as well as a standard threaded fixed cog. "Why," you ask? And
indeed, 3-prong 3/32" SA cogs are plentiful and cheap. Answer: Because this
way I can use a ss freewheel if I find that the lash is too annoying.
"British Navy tradition?" scoffed Winston Churchill as First Lord of the
Admiralty; "Nothing but rum, sodomy, and the lash." So you ask, "Why not
just use the damned AM?" Because the ASC has the golden direct-top,
90%-second, and 75% (from top) first, so that where the AM gives me
~75/65/56 gi, the ASC would give 72" (better for this bike), 65" (2-tooth
drop instead of the 2 1/2 tooth equivalent of the AM, and a much nicer
gap), plus a slightly lower 54" first. Lash: The TC also suffers from it,
not as much as the forlorn S3X, so it's just acceptable. If the ASC is like
the TC, then it remains fixed. The S3X is just too much. The TF has hardly
any; hardly any difference to a well-adjusted chain on a standard fixed cog
hub. Justification for this self indulgent excursus? The 2020 Matthews is a
geometric clone of the 2003 Curt Riv.

More than you need or want to know, but there it is.



On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 5:52 AM Ryan  wrote:

> To answer Patrick's question: I love the aesthetic and ride of Rivendells.
> I was an old BOB member and I still own a 93 X0-1. I have a 1997
> All-Rounder, a 2001 Curt-Goodrich built Road and a 2016 Mark Nobilette
> mixte. And it was an absolute pleasure dealing with Rivendell and Grant who
> has an ethos I absolutely admire and respect.
>
> The PX-10 was the first good bike I bought in 1972 a year or so after I
> lost my mother to cancer. Even though her death was imminent it hit me much
> harder than I thought it would and I went into a tailspin that I think the
> bike helped me out of. My current PX-10 was bought in 1981; I had the first
> 2 stolen. My late partner, a fine mechanic among other sterling qualities,
> redished the rear wheel and with moustache bars, we reconfigured it as a
> very nice single-speed. Mechanically, it runs flawlessly, but the paint has
> lots of war wounds ...so not a thief magnet. But it has that j*e ne sais
> quoi  *ride, and , of course, a lot of personal history.
>
> Now my riding is 20-35 km rides around the city; I've slowed my roll since
> the 80's week-long loaded tours and century riding with a local club.
>
> About selling my Rivendells...let's say I'm standing on the edge of the
> cliff, but not quite ready to take the plunge yet. From a financial
> standpoint, I don't need to sell them, and I think Winnipeg would be a
> tough market, unfortunately.
>
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 5:17:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> What are those Rivs, and why do you choose the PX-10 instead of them?
>> What sort of riding?
>>
>> I love Rivendell, but I'll not allow ideological purity to keep me from
>> choosing other bikes that please me better. Only, the very best bike of all
>> the scores that I've owned over the last 25 years is that 1999 Joe Starck
>> custom, and if I had the money I'd order a custom Legolas except without
>> the Legolas features to make it a as-light-tubed-as-possible gofast
>> derailleur road bike, and perhaps a customized Clem to take 700C X 3" tires.
>>
>>
>>
>> I 

[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Saluki Butterscotch Complete Seattle

[Jamie Hascall]

The bike has sold. Thanks all for looking.

On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:03:33 AM UTC-7 Mike K. wrote:

> What a beautiful bike. I’ve heard nothing but good things about the Saluki.
>
> - Mike in Des Plaines, IL
>
> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:27:44 AM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry for whatever is prompting the sale.  For anyone on the fence, 
>> the Saluki is by far the best Rivendell that I have owned.  I use it in a 
>> drop bar configuration and for longer distances.  It is just so dang 
>> comfortable.  
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Baggins Hobo Handlebar Bag

[Michael Ullmer]

I'm hoping to get a matching front handlebar bag for the Duluth Pack made 
Banana Bag I have on my Ram. Anyone have a Hobo Handlebar Bag they'd be 
willing to sell?

PM off-list

Mike in Minneapolis


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Re: [RBW] 3-speeding Quickbeams and SimpleOnes

[Eric Daume]

Does this work?

https://handsomecycles.com/products/700c-silver-rear-wheel-sturmey-archer-s-rf3-3-speed-internal-handbuilt

Eric

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023, Arthur Mayfield  wrote:

>
> I’ve seen the charts/catalogs listing 116-120mm OLD Sturmey Archer IGHs,
> but haven’t found one IRL. Soma Fab Shop listed hubs and complete IGH
> (IGGY) wheels, but they’ve been OOS forever, and by email earlier this
> year, they told me that was likely to remain the case for the future.
> Meanwhile, I keep looking and hoping. If anyone finds a hub and isn’t
> snagging it for themselves, I’d appreciate a tip
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:12:47 PM UTC-4 J L wrote:
>
>> Strumy Archer makes a 120 OLD version of their X-RF8 8 speed internal
>> hub. It is a modern style hub with a rotary switch rather than the chain
>> actuated gear shift.
>>
>> On Jun 20, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Arthur Mayfield  wrote:
>>
>> I don’t know what the rear spacing is on the Quickbeams and Simple One,
>> but my Frank Jones Sr has 120mm track dropouts. Finding a modern
>> manufacture IGH with 120mm OLD has been a lost cause for me (and I build my
>> own wheels). I’m sure if I pored over the possibles long and diligently
>> enough, I’d run across one or a vintage AW, but it simply becomes easier to
>> hop on another bike when I need the gears. I’d like to build a 3 spd wheel
>> for my FJ, though.
>>
>>
>> One clear advantage of IGH over other multi-gear options on single speed
>> bikes that I haven’t seen mentioned is the ease of riding with “good”
>> fenders. I’ve tried using a flip-flop on my FJ with full coverage, aluminum
>> fenders, and it’s not only a pita to do on the road (as well as
>> time-consuming), but the rear fender could never be set up to fit properly
>> to my standards. An IGH would make that a non-issue, at least until there’s
>> a flat. Removing wheels from bikes rigged with chain tensioners on track
>> dropouts “in the wild” for flats or other maintenance presents yet another
>> nest of problems, with or without fenders. Overall, I’d be happier with a
>> nice IGH. I could even get down to one bike 
>>
>> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 2:30:13 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> In defense of the old 3 speed igh, the drag, at least for the old SA AW,
>>> has been tested at considerably less than that of much more complex,
>>> multi-epicycle internal gear trains with 7+ gears, and my experience
>>> (considerable with 2 and 3 speed SA hubs, only a little, but some with
>>> modern 7+ gear hubs) bears this out very clearly.
>>>
>>> IMO, the simplicity and low drag (and lower weight) of the simpler
>>> multigear hubs makes them preferable, at least to me, to the more complex,
>>> draggier, and heavier ones.
>>>
>>> I have a QR 17/19 Dingle wheel on my Riv 1999 fixed gear road custom and
>>> switching from the 76" to a 68" headwind gear is very easy, but I noticed
>>> that I downshifted much more often and readily with the 2 speed TC hub (76"
>>> direct and 66" underdrive), helpful when your direction into the wind or
>>> the slope of the terrain changes often. My point is not that you ("all
>>> y'all") should go get a TC -- last made in the 1940s? Mine is 1937 -- but
>>> that igh's do offer some benefits over manual "get off the bike and move
>>> the chain" shifting.
>>>
>>> Personally, I perfer the external simplicity of a simple igh over
>>> multiple cogs or rings, and I prefer multiple cogs over multiple rings,
>>> again for simplicity and ease of use. AAYMMAWV.
>>>
>>> I get back to that downgeared AW Schwinn: 69", 52", 39" which for a
>>> $50-total-expenditure beater including new 36 t chainring + shop
>>> labor (1989) proved to be very versatile indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 10:32 AM Drew Saunders 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My orange Quickbeam came set up as a "2 speed" with 32-40-chainguard
 chainrings on a 74/110 triple (still has those) plus an 18t freewheel.
 I immediately made it a "3 speed" with a 17/19 Dos Eno freewheel. The
 chain is too slack for the 32/17 to work, so only 3 options: 40/17 (99% of
 my riding), 40/19, 32/19.
 I later added a 22T freewheel to the flip side of the flip/flop hub,
 which will work with the 32, but not the 40, so I have an extremely
 inconvenient 4-speed.

 I rarely take it out of the 40/17, but the headwinds this morning made
 me wonder if I should have used the 40/19.

 All of that was much cheaper and easier than getting an internally
 geared hub, and if I did go for an IGH, I'd get a modern 7 or 8 speed
 anyway.

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[RBW] Re: Free for pickup, Sonoma County, Park PCS-1 workstand

['Peter Bridge' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Stand has been claimed pending pick-up. 

Thanks

Peter Bridge


On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:32:13 PM UTC-7 Peter Bridge wrote:

> I am cleaning the garage and find myself long one workstand.  Free for 
> pick-up, a basic, old, Park PCS-1.  Folding legs, spring-operated clamp 
> with two settings, one for for skinny tubes and one for fat. Un-fancy, but 
> it has always served. 
>
> Anybody local and in need?
>
> Peter Bridge
> Sebastopol California USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: 3-speeding Quickbeams and SimpleOnes

[Arthur Mayfield]

I’ve seen the charts/catalogs listing 116-120mm OLD Sturmey Archer IGHs, 
but haven’t found one IRL. Soma Fab Shop listed hubs and complete IGH 
(IGGY) wheels, but they’ve been OOS forever, and by email earlier this 
year, they told me that was likely to remain the case for the future. 
Meanwhile, I keep looking and hoping. If anyone finds a hub and isn’t 
snagging it for themselves, I’d appreciate a tip
On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:12:47 PM UTC-4 J L wrote:

> Strumy Archer makes a 120 OLD version of their X-RF8 8 speed internal hub. 
> It is a modern style hub with a rotary switch rather than the chain 
> actuated gear shift.
>
> On Jun 20, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Arthur Mayfield  wrote:
>
> I don’t know what the rear spacing is on the Quickbeams and Simple One, 
> but my Frank Jones Sr has 120mm track dropouts. Finding a modern 
> manufacture IGH with 120mm OLD has been a lost cause for me (and I build my 
> own wheels). I’m sure if I pored over the possibles long and diligently 
> enough, I’d run across one or a vintage AW, but it simply becomes easier to 
> hop on another bike when I need the gears. I’d like to build a 3 spd wheel 
> for my FJ, though. 
>
>
> One clear advantage of IGH over other multi-gear options on single speed 
> bikes that I haven’t seen mentioned is the ease of riding with “good” 
> fenders. I’ve tried using a flip-flop on my FJ with full coverage, aluminum 
> fenders, and it’s not only a pita to do on the road (as well as 
> time-consuming), but the rear fender could never be set up to fit properly 
> to my standards. An IGH would make that a non-issue, at least until there’s 
> a flat. Removing wheels from bikes rigged with chain tensioners on track 
> dropouts “in the wild” for flats or other maintenance presents yet another 
> nest of problems, with or without fenders. Overall, I’d be happier with a 
> nice IGH. I could even get down to one bike  
>
> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 2:30:13 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> In defense of the old 3 speed igh, the drag, at least for the old SA AW, 
>> has been tested at considerably less than that of much more complex, 
>> multi-epicycle internal gear trains with 7+ gears, and my experience 
>> (considerable with 2 and 3 speed SA hubs, only a little, but some with 
>> modern 7+ gear hubs) bears this out very clearly. 
>>
>> IMO, the simplicity and low drag (and lower weight) of the simpler 
>> multigear hubs makes them preferable, at least to me, to the more complex, 
>> draggier, and heavier ones.
>>
>> I have a QR 17/19 Dingle wheel on my Riv 1999 fixed gear road custom and 
>> switching from the 76" to a 68" headwind gear is very easy, but I noticed 
>> that I downshifted much more often and readily with the 2 speed TC hub (76" 
>> direct and 66" underdrive), helpful when your direction into the wind or 
>> the slope of the terrain changes often. My point is not that you ("all 
>> y'all") should go get a TC -- last made in the 1940s? Mine is 1937 -- but 
>> that igh's do offer some benefits over manual "get off the bike and move 
>> the chain" shifting. 
>>
>> Personally, I perfer the external simplicity of a simple igh over 
>> multiple cogs or rings, and I prefer multiple cogs over multiple rings, 
>> again for simplicity and ease of use. AAYMMAWV.
>>
>> I get back to that downgeared AW Schwinn: 69", 52", 39" which for a 
>> $50-total-expenditure beater including new 36 t chainring + shop 
>> labor (1989) proved to be very versatile indeed.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 10:32 AM Drew Saunders  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My orange Quickbeam came set up as a "2 speed" with 32-40-chainguard 
>>> chainrings on a 74/110 triple (still has those) plus an 18t freewheel.
>>> I immediately made it a "3 speed" with a 17/19 Dos Eno freewheel. The 
>>> chain is too slack for the 32/17 to work, so only 3 options: 40/17 (99% of 
>>> my riding), 40/19, 32/19.
>>> I later added a 22T freewheel to the flip side of the flip/flop hub, 
>>> which will work with the 32, but not the 40, so I have an extremely 
>>> inconvenient 4-speed.
>>>
>>> I rarely take it out of the 40/17, but the headwinds this morning made 
>>> me wonder if I should have used the 40/19.
>>>
>>> All of that was much cheaper and easier than getting an internally 
>>> geared hub, and if I did go for an IGH, I'd get a modern 7 or 8 speed 
>>> anyway.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Caroline Golum]

I managed to get ahold of Velocity and they shipped out a new rim + hub to 
my LBS for the build, but still no luck on the stem. Rich at Riv suggested 
using ammonia to free it, but I don't want to chance it in my tiny 
apartment what with the fumes and all. Looking into a few other shops that 
could do it!

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 1:42:07 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Caroline, I saw your other thread about need a new wheel - ugh! Is there 
> any news about the stem? Did they remove it without damaging the frame? I 
> am so hoping! 
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 20, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Jamie Hascall  wrote:
>
> Here are a couple of pictures of Betsy with her Glorious in its glory 
> days. Posting these is much more satisfying than the faded glory photo I 
> posted earlier. It took a bit of digging in her archive to find these. 
> <6E3BCDA7-536D-4785-B781-0DA184BA25CB.jpeg>
>
> Winner of "Best Commuter Bike" at Santa Fe bicycle fest
>
> <1F0A66D9-915C-442E-A740-5B0C89854E30.jpeg>
> <26FBB81B-57A6-4790-8EB2-FA7402A15A39.jpeg>
>
> Our pair of Rivs, ready to ride!
>
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:52:29 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Cyclemeter will also let you enter different bikes. Me, I have an 
>> elaborate Excel system for tracking mileage registered by Cyclemeter and 
>> tabulating it by bike as well as by total for all bikes, and the Excel 
>> system even tracks miles separately for different wheels for each bike. (I 
>> mean different rear wheels with different gearing systems, Phil fixed, TC, 
>> TF, etc, and not front and rear. Joke.) It's nice (I think) to be able to 
>> see miles-by-bike-at-a-glance on a big 42" screen, and the Excel interface 
>> makes it easy to keep an adjacent maintenance log.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 11:48:44 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 What a treat to see Jamie’s pair of old Rivendells (esp that Glorius) 
> and hear their stories. I have not heard that quote Jim gave us from 
> Grant, 
> but I’m very glad to know it. I’m also motivated to get a cyclometer to 
> keep track of my miles. I have been using the workout app on my iPhone, 
> but 
> that does not tell me which bikes get the miles…
>
 If you use the strava app instead of the workout app, it'll let you 
 attribute miles to the appropriate bike. No need for a cyclometer.  You 
 can 
 even link Strava to Pro Bike Garage(https://www.probikegarage.com/) 
 and get maintenance reminders.

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Jamie Hascall]

To answer Patrick's other questions about the baskets on Betsy's Glorious, 
they came from Velo-Orange and were made by an Amish family in Minnesota. I 
had totally forgotten that but when I searched for "Amish bicycle basket", 
the post from their blog came up. Astonishing!  Sadly, they didn't continue 
in production. Check it out. 
https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2007/02/amish-baskets-for-bikes.html 

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 6:49:06 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> I have only owned the bike for eight years. It had a defective stem 
> (handlebars were tilted) and a defective front derailleur and had evidently 
> been put in the back of a shop and forgotten about. Someone in North 
> Carolina found it and sold it to me. I disassembled the bike and and 
> sprayed the inside with frame-saver. I replace the stem with an NOS PIVO 
> stem, determined that the front derailleur's problem was mounting bolts 
> that were too long that had cracked the body of the derailleur. I replaced 
> with another NOS Simplex derailleur. I added some loose ball bearings to 
> the headset - I think it was missing about 7. Re-greased and adjusted the 
> BB. I rewrapped the handlebars with the old black cloth tape after 
> replacing the stem (not original, but dealers usually rewrapped the 
> handlebars in black because the original white tape started to show dust 
> and dirt just from sitting. I even bought a 50 foot roll of the original 
> style brake cable housing. You can tell that the bike had never been ridden 
> because the original sew-up rims have never been glued to a sew-up. I rode 
> the bike with a set of clincher wheels on it. The inner cables are all 
> original. I had the original steel seatpost re-chromed. I found some 
> matching paint at the local hobby store and toched up chips in the paint - 
> mostly around the seat lug. I recently waxed the original chain.
> Back in 72 I had bought a used Tour de France, same size but in white with 
> silk sew-up tires. The frame was too tall for me, but that was the only way 
> to get a long enough top tube. I rode it to high school, I rode it on club 
> rides, I rode it to college in Tallahassee, Atlanta and Gainesville. I rode 
> it back and forth from Gainesville to Daytona Beach (miles) multiple times. 
> Then one day in 75, an on on-duty police officer broadsided me in the 
> crosswalk. He paid for the damage and I bought my Schwinn Paramount P-15 
> (still have it), but the Tour de France was always special to me and when 
> this one came along I jumped at the chance. It is orange after all (as is 
> my Rivendell Custom).
> The early seventies were a bike boom time and the French were cashing in 
> as fast as they could - No telling exactly what components would come on a 
> bike - my original TdF had Campagnolo dropouts (same as the Paramount), but 
> this one has Simplex dropouts. The brazing of the lugs is sloppy, the paint 
> is thin and the foil decals are very fragile - very crude next to a 
> Rivendell, but there is just something about French frames that makes them 
> ride beautifully. French stems are notoriously fragile (and short). So it 
> is kind of my museum piece at this point. I do think about gluing some fat 
> Rene Herse sew-ups to the rims, putting a Nitto stem and bars on it and 
> riding it in a Eroica ride one of these days (maybe after I retire). I also 
> have a nice Ideale leather saddle for it.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:54:13 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Laing, you take the cake for being precious! You have a bike that is 50 
>> years old and was only ridden once? I’m going to get a tee shirt made for 
>> you!
>>
>> I have been rather hard on the old gal lately - my most precious bike is 
>> getting a ton of miles this summer. She’s dirty and gritty and starting to 
>> make noises that will need bike shop attention.  I have a stupid goal this 
>> week and I might pull it off. I’ll ride group/club rides all week, and 
>> still keep up my weights, core, and running. I usually only do 2-3 club 
>> rides/week. I got my 2nd one done tonight and I’m TIRED. And because this 
>> is my club ride bike, all the miles will be this Platy’s. Tomorrow is a 
>> brewery ride and I don’t know what the lock-up situation is because they 
>> don’t reveal where we are going until we’re on the way. Might get some 
>> fresh scratches tomorrow! Practicing not being precious.
>>
>> I put a Cateye Quick on my Platypus today. It looks dumb but I really 
>> wanted to start calculating mileage over this bike’s lifetime. I don’t 
>> think I can keep up to Pam Murray with her 72,000 mi on her 2011 Betty, but 
>> since this bike is my lifetime bike, I want to know how many miles we 
>> travel. Plus, as Pam pointed out, you can figure out how many miles you are 
>> getting out of your components. She has a logbook and tracks hers.
>>
>> To bed! Work at 6 am, brewery ride at 6 pm!
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 20, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Riders Interactive Map is Live!

[John Rinker]

Nevada, South Dakota, and Rhode Island seem to be the only states devoid of 
Riv Riders (I'm sure they're out there!), and East of the Mississippi seems 
far more represented than the vast, open spaces out West. 

I'm enjoying how this map has come together.

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:25:56 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Great news, John. Thanks for making this happen.
>
> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:59:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> And with that, Tony, you become the 200th rider on the list!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 7:50:08 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John, just added my Hillborne to the list. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Pretty remarkable to see how many are in the bay area.not so many in 
>>> LA. Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 10:39:01 AM UTC-7 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>>
 I love this! Just added me + the Betty, excited to see who else in NYC 
 is rocking a Riv <3

 On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:32:53 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Almost 200 riders on the map now, and quite a few lovely photos of 
> some fine Rivs around the world.
>
> See the top of the thread if you want to add a pin.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 12:07:35 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Just a reminder on this map if you haven't gone through the thread: 
>> You don't need to put your specific address if you'd rather not. A 
>> random 
>> address in your city or town, or a cross street nearby is enough.
>>
>> Also, you can add a photo of your bike if you wish. We all love to 
>> see the cool bikes about which we are so passionate!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 4:07:26 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Bump on this for those who may have missed it and want to add a pin 
>>> to the map. See the top of the thread for instructions.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:20:12 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 I've added Rivendell Dealers to the Riv Rider's Map, and these 
 icons are in blue. I used the addresses found on the Riv website, but 
 I'm 
 not sure if all of these dealers are still dealers or even in business.

 If anyone knows what I don't, let me know and I'll update the map.

 Cheers, John

 On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 5:59:52 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Ha, Ray! That's a brilliant idea per Keith's caution about using 
> your specific address. 
>
> Thanks, Patrick. I'm working on it.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 11:38:02 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> I like this idea. Please do add this feature.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:45 PM John Rinker  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm playing with the idea of riders being able to add a photo of 
>>> their bike such that when one clicks on a map pin not only do you 
>>> get info 
>>> in the sidebar but also an image of a beautiful bicycle. (You can 
>>> check out 
>>> the pin I added at RBW as an example)
>>>
>>> Could be a fun addition. Of course, anyone who has more than one 
>>> Riv would have to make a choice. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:05:38 AM UTC-7 Drew Saunders 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good idea! I found the street address of my nearest post office 
 and changed my answer to that. It's close enough, and if any bike 
 thieves 
 go there, they'll be very, very, confused.

 On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:05:08 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> This is great.  Thanks for putting it together! 
>  I have couple of suggestions, more for the participant 
> pi-droppers than for John:
>
> 1)  Please be cautious and think twice about listing your 
> actual home address.  Especially if you live somewhere like 
> Denver or 
> Oakland, where bike theft is a major industry.  Thieves could use 
> this info 
> to stake-out and target your place.
>
> 2)  it would be great to list the model(s) and size(s) of 
> bikes you own.  So many times I wish I could have test-ridden 
> something, 
> but didn't know how to find an example nearby.  This could really 
> help.
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 5:33:44 PM UTC-6 John Rinker 
> wrote:
>
>> The map is growing nicely! Got riders in Oceania and Europe 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[lconley]

I have only owned the bike for eight years. It had a defective stem 
(handlebars were tilted) and a defective front derailleur and had evidently 
been put in the back of a shop and forgotten about. Someone in North 
Carolina found it and sold it to me. I disassembled the bike and and 
sprayed the inside with frame-saver. I replace the stem with an NOS PIVO 
stem, determined that the front derailleur's problem was mounting bolts 
that were too long that had cracked the body of the derailleur. I replaced 
with another NOS Simplex derailleur. I added some loose ball bearings to 
the headset - I think it was missing about 7. Re-greased and adjusted the 
BB. I rewrapped the handlebars with the old black cloth tape after 
replacing the stem (not original, but dealers usually rewrapped the 
handlebars in black because the original white tape started to show dust 
and dirt just from sitting. I even bought a 50 foot roll of the original 
style brake cable housing. You can tell that the bike had never been ridden 
because the original sew-up rims have never been glued to a sew-up. I rode 
the bike with a set of clincher wheels on it. The inner cables are all 
original. I had the original steel seatpost re-chromed. I found some 
matching paint at the local hobby store and toched up chips in the paint - 
mostly around the seat lug. I recently waxed the original chain.
Back in 72 I had bought a used Tour de France, same size but in white with 
silk sew-up tires. The frame was too tall for me, but that was the only way 
to get a long enough top tube. I rode it to high school, I rode it on club 
rides, I rode it to college in Tallahassee, Atlanta and Gainesville. I rode 
it back and forth from Gainesville to Daytona Beach (miles) multiple times. 
Then one day in 75, an on on-duty police officer broadsided me in the 
crosswalk. He paid for the damage and I bought my Schwinn Paramount P-15 
(still have it), but the Tour de France was always special to me and when 
this one came along I jumped at the chance. It is orange after all (as is 
my Rivendell Custom).
The early seventies were a bike boom time and the French were cashing in as 
fast as they could - No telling exactly what components would come on a 
bike - my original TdF had Campagnolo dropouts (same as the Paramount), but 
this one has Simplex dropouts. The brazing of the lugs is sloppy, the paint 
is thin and the foil decals are very fragile - very crude next to a 
Rivendell, but there is just something about French frames that makes them 
ride beautifully. French stems are notoriously fragile (and short). So it 
is kind of my museum piece at this point. I do think about gluing some fat 
Rene Herse sew-ups to the rims, putting a Nitto stem and bars on it and 
riding it in a Eroica ride one of these days (maybe after I retire). I also 
have a nice Ideale leather saddle for it.

Laing

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:54:13 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Laing, you take the cake for being precious! You have a bike that is 50 
> years old and was only ridden once? I’m going to get a tee shirt made for 
> you!
>
> I have been rather hard on the old gal lately - my most precious bike is 
> getting a ton of miles this summer. She’s dirty and gritty and starting to 
> make noises that will need bike shop attention.  I have a stupid goal this 
> week and I might pull it off. I’ll ride group/club rides all week, and 
> still keep up my weights, core, and running. I usually only do 2-3 club 
> rides/week. I got my 2nd one done tonight and I’m TIRED. And because this 
> is my club ride bike, all the miles will be this Platy’s. Tomorrow is a 
> brewery ride and I don’t know what the lock-up situation is because they 
> don’t reveal where we are going until we’re on the way. Might get some 
> fresh scratches tomorrow! Practicing not being precious.
>
> I put a Cateye Quick on my Platypus today. It looks dumb but I really 
> wanted to start calculating mileage over this bike’s lifetime. I don’t 
> think I can keep up to Pam Murray with her 72,000 mi on her 2011 Betty, but 
> since this bike is my lifetime bike, I want to know how many miles we 
> travel. Plus, as Pam pointed out, you can figure out how many miles you are 
> getting out of your components. She has a logbook and tracks hers.
>
> To bed! Work at 6 am, brewery ride at 6 pm!
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 20, 2023, at 6:44 PM, lconley  wrote:
>
> Forgot the picture:
>
> 
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:37:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Ahh, the mysterious pleasures of French frames. I have a 52 year old 
>> Gitane Tour de France - with an all Reynolds 531 frame. The French would 
>> use the top tube as the seat tube and the seat tube as the top tube from 
>> the tubeset resulting in the requirements of oversized brake cable clamps 
>> on the top tube (or just longer screws) and front derailleurs that needed 
>> smaller clamps for the seat tube. I found Rivendell years ago when 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Ryan]

To answer Patrick's question: I love the aesthetic and ride of Rivendells. 
I was an old BOB member and I still own a 93 X0-1. I have a 1997 
All-Rounder, a 2001 Curt-Goodrich built Road and a 2016 Mark Nobilette 
mixte. And it was an absolute pleasure dealing with Rivendell and Grant who 
has an ethos I absolutely admire and respect. 

The PX-10 was the first good bike I bought in 1972 a year or so after I 
lost my mother to cancer. Even though her death was imminent it hit me much 
harder than I thought it would and I went into a tailspin that I think the 
bike helped me out of. My current PX-10 was bought in 1981; I had the first 
2 stolen. My late partner, a fine mechanic among other sterling qualities, 
redished the rear wheel and with moustache bars, we reconfigured it as a 
very nice single-speed. Mechanically, it runs flawlessly, but the paint has 
lots of war wounds ...so not a thief magnet. But it has that j*e ne sais 
quoi  *ride, and , of course, a lot of personal history. 

Now my riding is 20-35 km rides around the city; I've slowed my roll since 
the 80's week-long loaded tours and century riding with a local club.

About selling my Rivendells...let's say I'm standing on the edge of the 
cliff, but not quite ready to take the plunge yet. From a financial 
standpoint, I don't need to sell them, and I think Winnipeg would be a 
tough market, unfortunately.

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 5:17:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> What are those Rivs, and why do you choose the PX-10 instead of them? What 
> sort of riding?
>
> I love Rivendell, but I'll not allow ideological purity to keep me from 
> choosing other bikes that please me better. Only, the very best bike of all 
> the scores that I've owned over the last 25 years is that 1999 Joe Starck 
> custom, and if I had the money I'd order a custom Legolas except without 
> the Legolas features to make it a as-light-tubed-as-possible gofast 
> derailleur road bike, and perhaps a customized Clem to take 700C X 3" tires.
>
>
>
> I liked that Motobecane, but the expensive Riv custom once converted to 
> commuting and errand duties was even more fun for utility riding, and the 
> Chauncey Matthews replacement for that Riv is even more fun for the same 
> purpose.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 3:21 PM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Yes indeed. My 50-year old PX-10 is still being ridden  as a 
>> single-speed   . Much more than my Rivendells I'm afraid. Might soon be 
>> time to release those precious Rivendells
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-build Frustrations—Trek Elance 400

[Garth]

There's also a MX-1000 that has up to 92mm reach ... wow. 
https://www.porkchopbmx.com/dia-compe-mx1000-old-school-bmx-bicycle-b-46155807.html

https://www.porkchopbmx.com/vintage-bmx/brakes/brake-calipers-and-sets/


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