Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass EL $20

[Kim Hetzel]

That is very wonderful to hear, Eliot !  I am very happy that you found
one.

I am very happy with my Clem.

Get outside and ride @ !

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:53 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:

> Yep! Thanks Kim.
>
> Even better than I imagined
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:34 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
>> Eliot,
>>
>> Looks like you finally found an Atlantis bicycle. Toyo made, too ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:35:25 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ever wish you could try out the popular Rat Trap Pass tires without
>>> dishing out $200 for something that might not fit or you might not like?
>>>
>>> Here’s your chance. For your consideration,  I have a set of Ratty rat
>>> trap pass 26x2.3 for just $20!
>>>
>>> The catch is that they are heavily worn and booted and I think there’s
>>> some mild sidewall damage. I bought these heavily used to test out the
>>> tires before taking the plunge and loved them. I’ve put a handful of 20-30
>>> mile rides on them and they work great. I can’t in good conscience
>>> recommend them for regular service but for someone wishing to test the fit
>>> or function they would be a great opportunity.
>>>
>>> Asking $20 local pick up in Seattle or willing to ship at your cost.
>>>
>>>
>>> Eliot
>>>
>>> P.S. I’ll take some pics with the new shoes soon.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass EL $20

[Eliot Balogh]

Yep! Thanks Kim.

Even better than I imagined

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:34 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:

> Eliot,
>
> Looks like you finally found an Atlantis bicycle. Toyo made, too ?
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:35:25 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ever wish you could try out the popular Rat Trap Pass tires without
>> dishing out $200 for something that might not fit or you might not like?
>>
>> Here’s your chance. For your consideration,  I have a set of Ratty rat
>> trap pass 26x2.3 for just $20!
>>
>> The catch is that they are heavily worn and booted and I think there’s
>> some mild sidewall damage. I bought these heavily used to test out the
>> tires before taking the plunge and loved them. I’ve put a handful of 20-30
>> mile rides on them and they work great. I can’t in good conscience
>> recommend them for regular service but for someone wishing to test the fit
>> or function they would be a great opportunity.
>>
>> Asking $20 local pick up in Seattle or willing to ship at your cost.
>>
>>
>> Eliot
>>
>> P.S. I’ll take some pics with the new shoes soon.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Plush old 531 steel frames (was being precious)

[Jamie Hascall]

Patrick was correct on the bracket on the fork of the Jack Taylor. That was 
the bracket for the headlamp. The fitting on the top of the stem is an 
integral center-pull brake cable hanger and adjuster. I had it set up with 
some long reach Mafac brakes and it worked beautifully. Here's a close-up. 
The rear brake hanger was nicely done as well.

[image: DSCF9308.jpeg][image: DSCF9310.jpeg]
[image: DSCF9311.jpeg]

On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 3:57:49 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> [image: P1011691.JPG]
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass EL $20

[Kim Hetzel]

Eliot, 

Looks like you finally found an Atlantis bicycle. Toyo made, too ?

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.  

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:35:25 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ever wish you could try out the popular Rat Trap Pass tires without 
> dishing out $200 for something that might not fit or you might not like?
>
> Here’s your chance. For your consideration,  I have a set of Ratty rat 
> trap pass 26x2.3 for just $20!
>
> The catch is that they are heavily worn and booted and I think there’s 
> some mild sidewall damage. I bought these heavily used to test out the 
> tires before taking the plunge and loved them. I’ve put a handful of 20-30 
> mile rides on them and they work great. I can’t in good conscience 
> recommend them for regular service but for someone wishing to test the fit 
> or function they would be a great opportunity. 
>
> Asking $20 local pick up in Seattle or willing to ship at your cost. 
>
>
> Eliot
>
> P.S. I’ll take some pics with the new shoes soon. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Timberland Cycling Shoes: size 10.5

[Kim Hetzel]

My Timberland cycling shoes are SOLD !

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 3:38:12 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I am tempted, except that it seems quite possible that I will never give 
> up my SPDs after all for the lovely XC Pro quills and the lovelier near-NOS 
> Duegis I got to use with them; if I ever did install the Suntours on a bike 
> I'd want a nice pair of "touring" shoes (ie, no cleats) to go with the 
> ensemble. Nice shoes.
>
> But Timberland. I used to own a couple of pairs of their slip-ons -- "boat 
> shoes." Hand made in New England somewhere by doughty, independent, laconic 
> Yankees who valued good work and materials above loquacity. And all leather 
> lined as well as leather uppers -- only plastic the Vibram soles -- with 
> ties that actually ran around the perimeter of the upper to snug up the fit 
> instead of being just tacked on as decoration. 
>
> This is not an offer, just a thought-out-loud: if these were to sell for 
> $35 shipped to NM, I would probably buy them to stick on the shelf with all 
> my other unused bike shoes.
>
> Patrick "If it were an offer I fear it might be an insult" Moore, who 
> knows that sometimes people simply get tired of having things and want to 
> get rid of them, and who likes stiff-soled cycling shoes.
>
> Oh, speaking of stiff cycling soles: I'm pretty damned flexible and spry 
> for my 68 human years, but I very humorously discovered that stiff-soled 
> SPD shoes can make one act as if one's joints had calcified. Because I ride 
> my bikes to church, and because Orthodox (Christian, not Jewish) services 
> -- esp Slav-based -- are interminably long, I bought a pair of vaguely 
> Vans-like Specialized SPD shoes. They have a wide toe box, perfectly flat 
> sole, and are far more comfortable while standing through the typical 2+ 
> hour Sunday liturgy (oh, they get much longer than that!) than my otherwise 
> perfect 1980s-vintage Shimano SPDs.
>
> But in those Lenten ceremonies where you have to bob rapidly up and down 
> between standing and kneeling with forehead on floor in full prostrations, 
> I noticed that I was slow and awkward, and put it down simply to advancing 
> age and decrepitude -- until one evening I drove in wearing regular Vibram 
> slip ons and found that I was as spry as I had been in my salad-days-40s; 
> stiffness due almost entirely to the unbending SPD soles that required me 
> to carefully lift feet to perform the prostrations.
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 9:47 AM Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
>> I have a pair of Timberland cycling shoes for sale. They are a size 10.5 
>> in black with a unique chain link patterned bottom sole. They are make of 
>> both leather and synthetic materials. They have had little use. I have 
>> taken very good care of them.  I have used Obenauf's HP leather conditioner 
>> on them. 
>>
>
>> These are the most comfortable cycling shoes that I have ever worn. I 
>> love them dearly.  Unfortunately, I am unable to wear them anymore. I wore 
>> them three times riding on my Clem. The stiffness of the soles of these 
>> shoes agitates the inner and outer muscles of my left knee. I have had no 
>> problem with riding in my Merrell Moab Rover shoes prior. 
>>
>> I do not remember how much I paid for these new. I know that one does not 
>> see these shoes very much anymore. They have been long gone out of 
>> production decades ago; late 1990's ?.
>>
>> Make me an offer.
>>
>> More photos upon request. 
>>
>
>> Paypal payment 
>> Shipping in the CONUS only.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A few Swift bags at Sierra.com

[Chester]

Glad this was a good deal for a few folks. I ordered one of the black 
Anchor Hip Packs, myself.

Already have a Dakine Hot Laps Stealth and EVOC Hip Pack Pro hip bags and 
the Swift Industries is a nice Goldilocks addition that is between the two 
of those, size-wise. It's very close in main section capacity, compared to 
the EVOC, but it has a much lower profile "regular" belt strap whereas the 
EVOC has a much wider belt that provides enough support for a pack much 
more laden down with a couple of water bottles and/or 1.5L hydration 
bladder. 

The Anchor has come in especially handy since I had to quit using my saddle 
bag (tube + levers + minitool) due to getting a Garmin Varia RCT715 
radar/light/camera, the latter of which's field of view gets obscured by 
the saddle bag. So that stuff goes in my small handlebar bag and I've been 
using the Swift Anchor when riding around town. The 2.5L capacity is pretty 
perfect for a gilet-like vest, phone, and some other odds and ends. And the 
MOLLE straps on either side I've found have perfect spacing to slide 
through the two prongs of a Kryptonite Evolution Mini-9 u-lock. 

The 2.5L Swift Anchor could end up carrying a good deal more than the 3.0L 
EVOC Hip Pack Pro since the Anchor can take on two of Swift's accessory 
bags. And because items like jackets/vests and other larger stuff can be 
strapped in with the "Cargo Flap" with adjustable cinch straps. It's a cool 
flexible and modular design. Also totally low-key and sedate in styling. 
And, again, I really appreciate the low profile webbing belt when carrying 
a light load, when one really shouldn't feel the pack while riding.

Only slight gripe I have is that there should be a loop on the back to clip 
on a light. Not a big deal since I now always have the Varia mounted (and 
before would ride with at least one rear light), but I feel like all 
saddlebags and hip/fanny packs oughta have a rear loop.

Chester
SF Bay Area

Links:

Swift Anchor Hip Pack:
https://builtbyswift.com/shop/anchor-hip-pack/
https://www.sierra.com/swift-industries-anchor-hip-pack~p~2damt/?filterString=swift-industries~b~41056%2F

Dakine Hot Laps Stealth / EVOC Hip Pack Pro:
https://www.dakine.com/collections/bike-backpacks-hydration/products/hot-laps-stealth-bike-waist-bag?variant=33209068912720
https://www.evocusa.com/products/hip-pack-pro-3l

Krytpo Evo Mini-9:
https://www.kryptonitelock.com/en/products/product-information/current-key/002086.html?type=bicycle

Garmin Varia RCT715
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/721258
On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 10:27:40 AM UTC-7 freefo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Chester - Thanks for the heads up. Mine arrived the other day, and I can't 
> wait to use it.
>
> --
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> Arcata, California
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 9:43 AM Drew Saunders  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, Rich, Ryan,
>>
>> Thanks for the kind words. I was wondering if it was worth the review, on 
>> the assumption that this kind of deal wouldn't last, but I just checked and 
>> that bag is still in stock. I think I'll test it out with a camera this 
>> weekend.
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 8:50:53 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> I've had that Brand V bag since...2012 or so? It is a great bag...but 
>>> the zippers(YKK I think)  aren't working as smoothly as I'd like and there 
>>> is some fraying/unravelling of the fabric around the zipper track. Maybe 
>>> operator error. I suspect maybe some beeswax or even a dry bar of soap 
>>> along the teeth might help things along
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>>
 Drew, you just raised the bar (no pun intended) on product reporting! 
 Well done. Nice price on a compact bag that deceptively holds more than it 
 looks like it would.
 The Swift bar bag reminds me a little bit of the old (not waterproof) 
 Riv Brand V handlebar bag shown below. Not wide like the Candybar bag but 
 decent depth and in my experience good capacity. Enjoy your new bag.

 Best,
 Rich in ATL
 [image: BrandV bag.jpg]



 On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 9:08:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Drew: Eloquent and witty report; appreciated.
>
> Patrick Moore, who now thinks of finding a Swift bar bag to replace 
> the somewhat intrusive large "gas tank" bag on his Monocog 29er. (I'd 
> also 
> consider a Candy Bar bag or clone.)
>
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 2:08 PM Drew Saunders  
> wrote:
>
>> OK, as promised, photos of the new Swift Kestrel bag.
>>
>> First, the payload: 
>> [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1045-20230624.jpg]
>>
>> Now, all of that in the Candy Bar Bag (which they stopped selling 
>> years ago). Sometimes called a "handlebar tube." It originally had 
>> leather 
>> straps with buckles, but I preferred being able to get it tight to the 
>> handlebars with some Velcro straps instead:
>> [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1046-20230624.jpg]

[RBW] FS: (2) 60cm Rivendell Platypus complete bikes

[jaredwilson]

Hey group,



With life ever-changing my wife and I are putting our (2) 60cm Platypus 
bicycles up for sale. We’re going to be nomadic for the foreseeable future 
and need less valuable bikes (we’ll see how that plays out, lol) with 
emphasis on shorter wheelbases for ease of transit and storage.


Through our wheeling and dealing over the years we wound up with these two 
beautiful 60cm Mermaid Platypus bikes, with consecutive serial numbers no 
less! It was a complete fluke how that played out and I still can’t believe 
it, but sure enough these bikes are 1 number apart. They were both 
purchased from the original owners and are in great condition, ready for 
new ownership :)


Ari’s:


2021 60cm Mermaid Platypus, Serial Number M20114408

Originally Riv-built by James, some things changed but most remain

Stock FSA Headset

Nitto/Rivendell Boscomoose fillet brazed handlebars (dutch grips need 
replaced)

Shimano DXR brake levers

Silver2 thumb shifters

Shimano DXR V-brakes

Silver 173mm double crankset

Stock bottom bracket

Campagnolo Centaur FD

Shimano Deore RD

Rich built Velocity Cliffhanger 700c wheels 32/36h

Shimano 3n72 dynamo hub

Deore rear hub

Shimano HG 12-36 rear cassette

Schwalbe Thunderburt 29x2.1 tires set up tubeless

Stock seat post

Brooks B67S saddle


Price: $3,200


Ariel's Platypus Photos 



Jared’s:


2021 60cm Mermaid Platypus, Serial Number M20114407

Original owner *Hi, Mack!* purchased as frame set

Stock FSA Headset

Nitto 58cm Alu Bosco bars

Nitto Faceplater 110mm stem with Simworks cap

Paul Love Levers

Suntour Barcon shifters

Shimano Deore V-brakes

White Industries/Sugino triple crankset, 175mm, 42/36/24

Stock bottom bracket

Shimano XT FD

Shimano Deore LX rapid rise RD

Velocity Cliffhanger 700c rims 32h

Sapim Force Spokes with brass nipples

Son Deluxe Widebody dynamo hub

White Industries MI5 rear hub

Jims 7 speed 11-36 cassette

Salsa skewers

Panaracer Gravelking SK 700x50 tires set up with tubes

Nitto S83 seat post, black Cerakote from Analog

Brooks B67 saddle


Price: $3,500


Jared's Platypus Photos 



No pedals, racks, lights, bells, or bottle cages included with either 
purchase.


Prefer local sales in CA, can deliver within reason. If shipped, buyer pays 
all associated fees, Zelle payment only.


POSSIBLE TRADES+CASH


For hers: Have an early Heron touring for someone with a 86cm PBH? Let’s 
chat! 


For his? How about a 58cm Ebisu All Purpose? Rivendell Allrounder? Saluki? 
Atlantis 2? Heron touring? Heck, maybe even a 93 X0-1? Send a DM!


If you’re interested in either or both please contact me off list.


Thanks and have a beautiful week :)


Jared and Ariel




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[RBW] Re: FS handlebars: Nitto Noodles 46cm, Dirt Drop, VO

[Ed Felker]

Further update: the VO bars are 25.4 clamp diameter and appear to be the 
Course model. Due to flare, these measure 42 cm width at the ends and about 
39.5 cm c-c at the hoods. 

On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 2:06:41 PM UTC-4 Ed Felker wrote:

> Update: The five Noodle bars are sold. 
>
> The Dirt Drop and VO bars remain available.
>
> Ed 
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 12:42:03 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> 5 noodles or $140 is the deal of the century.
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 9:11:36 AM UTC-7 Ed Felker wrote:
>>
>>> Update: Here's the correct link for photos: https://tinyurl.com/5n8yrvs3
>>>
>>> Ed 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 11:25 AM Ed Felker  wrote:
>>>
 After selling some bikes as framesets and converting others to 31.8 
 stems, I've got a group of 26.0 clamp Nitto and VO handlebars to sell. 
 Please read the important shipping info below. 

 Photos here: https://tinyurl.com/ye3cabnf

 5 - Nitto Noodle 177cm bars, all 46cm, 26.0 clamp diameter. All were 
 ridden and are in good to excellent condition. I cleaned the center 
 sections but not all of the electrical tape residue from the drops. All 
 were wrapped with nonadhesive bar tape. There are some surface marks from 
 the brake levers but no gouges. $35 each.

 1 - New Nitto RM013 Dirt Drop flared bar. 42 cm width at the hoods. 
 26.0 clamp. These were put into a stem and removed before riding. $50.

 1 - VO Grand Cru deep drop bar. $15. Briefly used. 

 Shipping is free for multiple items. If you buy all five Noodle bars, 
 one is free for a total shipped price of $140. 

 Price for the entire lot is $185 free shipping. 

 I have three handlebar shipping boxes right now that I hope suffice for 
 this sale.

 If I have any singles left over I will advise the list. 

 Thanks for looking!

 Ed Felker
 Washington, DC 








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Re: [RBW] Plush old 531 steel frames (was being precious)

[Ryan]

Lovely understated frame. I take it that the braze-on on the fork is for a 
generator. But I can't figure out what's up with the braze-on and bolt in 
the middle of that coppery stem. What is it for?

On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:03:19 AM UTC-5 mr.wa...@gmail.com wrote:

> My first "real" bike after my two-speed Schwinn Typhoon was a Frejus I 
> bought at Robert's Cyclery in Chicago. It was the first bike I'd ever 
> ridden that felt alive. I rode that all through high school and college. 
> Years later I picked up a nicely restored '63 Jack Taylor Super 
> International frame from a shop in Portland. It was my first 531 frame and 
> I built it up to ride with a batch of Ultegra parts that I had. It was the 
> fastest bike I've ever ridden. I don't know if that's objectively true, but 
> it had a feel like nothing I've ever been on. Sadly, the short Jack Taylor 
> brazed stem and the long top tube made the riding position too stretched 
> out for my aging body to ride the long distances I'd planned on and it got 
> relegated to short rides and eventually taken out of use. It hangs in the 
> corner of my shop and needs a new home.
>
> [image: DSCF9306.jpeg]
> [image: DSCF9314.jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 12:33:33 PM UTC-7 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you Eric,
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 11:14:27 AM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> The mount I added to the Singer is this one:
>>>
>>> [image: 
>>> 3198yXsC3ML._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingTHREEANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA321,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>>>
>>> Elite 0123301 VIP Cage Clamps Water Bottle Cage, 25mm-70mm, Black 
>>> 
>>> amazon.com 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> It’s been solid and dependable. The device adds mounting points—you 
>>> provide the bottle cage.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 9:16 AM, JohnS  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Eric N,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the close up of your bike. Because of it I noticed the 
>>> clamped on water bottle cage on the seat tube. Do you like? Which brand is 
>>> it? I would like to add a water bottle cage to my '82 Sequoia's down tube 
>>> (Tange Special Series Touring, Cro-Mo Double Butted), great riding bike, so 
>>> much more lively than my Surly Pacer.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:57:10 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 For the tubing nerds out there: the 531 Professional decal (in French) 
 on my 1983 Alex Singer. 

 [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]

 –Eric N


 On Jun 23, 2023, at 6:53 PM, brendonoid  wrote:

 

 My late 80s Holdsworth Mistral is 531c (I assume that's the competition 
 tubing?) And is the only frame I've ridden that has that "planing" feeling 
 that Jan gets so hot under the collar for.
 I have converted it to 650b and it is my go to roadish bike when I'm 
 not on a Riv. Definitely a special frame.



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[RBW] Re: FS handlebars: Nitto Noodles 46cm, Dirt Drop, VO

[Ed Felker]

Update: The five Noodle bars are sold. 

The Dirt Drop and VO bars remain available.

Ed 




On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 12:42:03 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> 5 noodles or $140 is the deal of the century.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 9:11:36 AM UTC-7 Ed Felker wrote:
>
>> Update: Here's the correct link for photos: https://tinyurl.com/5n8yrvs3
>>
>> Ed 
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 11:25 AM Ed Felker  wrote:
>>
>>> After selling some bikes as framesets and converting others to 31.8 
>>> stems, I've got a group of 26.0 clamp Nitto and VO handlebars to sell. 
>>> Please read the important shipping info below. 
>>>
>>> Photos here: https://tinyurl.com/ye3cabnf
>>>
>>> 5 - Nitto Noodle 177cm bars, all 46cm, 26.0 clamp diameter. All were 
>>> ridden and are in good to excellent condition. I cleaned the center 
>>> sections but not all of the electrical tape residue from the drops. All 
>>> were wrapped with nonadhesive bar tape. There are some surface marks from 
>>> the brake levers but no gouges. $35 each.
>>>
>>> 1 - New Nitto RM013 Dirt Drop flared bar. 42 cm width at the hoods. 26.0 
>>> clamp. These were put into a stem and removed before riding. $50.
>>>
>>> 1 - VO Grand Cru deep drop bar. $15. Briefly used. 
>>>
>>> Shipping is free for multiple items. If you buy all five Noodle bars, 
>>> one is free for a total shipped price of $140. 
>>>
>>> Price for the entire lot is $185 free shipping. 
>>>
>>> I have three handlebar shipping boxes right now that I hope suffice for 
>>> this sale.
>>>
>>> If I have any singles left over I will advise the list. 
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking!
>>>
>>> Ed Felker
>>> Washington, DC 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A few Swift bags at Sierra.com

[Michael Moore, Jr.]

Chester - Thanks for the heads up. Mine arrived the other day, and I can't
wait to use it.

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Arcata, California

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 9:43 AM Drew Saunders 
wrote:

> Patrick, Rich, Ryan,
>
> Thanks for the kind words. I was wondering if it was worth the review, on
> the assumption that this kind of deal wouldn't last, but I just checked and
> that bag is still in stock. I think I'll test it out with a camera this
> weekend.
>
> Drew
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 8:50:53 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I've had that Brand V bag since...2012 or so? It is a great bag...but the
>> zippers(YKK I think)  aren't working as smoothly as I'd like and there is
>> some fraying/unravelling of the fabric around the zipper track. Maybe
>> operator error. I suspect maybe some beeswax or even a dry bar of soap
>> along the teeth might help things along
>>
>> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Drew, you just raised the bar (no pun intended) on product reporting!
>>> Well done. Nice price on a compact bag that deceptively holds more than it
>>> looks like it would.
>>> The Swift bar bag reminds me a little bit of the old (not waterproof)
>>> Riv Brand V handlebar bag shown below. Not wide like the Candybar bag but
>>> decent depth and in my experience good capacity. Enjoy your new bag.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>> [image: BrandV bag.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 9:08:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Drew: Eloquent and witty report; appreciated.

 Patrick Moore, who now thinks of finding a Swift bar bag to replace the
 somewhat intrusive large "gas tank" bag on his Monocog 29er. (I'd also
 consider a Candy Bar bag or clone.)

 On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 2:08 PM Drew Saunders 
 wrote:

> OK, as promised, photos of the new Swift Kestrel bag.
>
> First, the payload:
> [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1045-20230624.jpg]
>
> Now, all of that in the Candy Bar Bag (which they stopped selling
> years ago). Sometimes called a "handlebar tube." It originally had leather
> straps with buckles, but I preferred being able to get it tight to the
> handlebars with some Velcro straps instead:
> [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1046-20230624.jpg]
>
> Next, the same payload (vest, gloves, more gloves, phone) in the Swift
> Kestrel:
> [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1047-20230624.jpg]
>
> As you can see, it's deeper, so the volume is the same. If I had
> "slammed" my stem, it might get too close to the brakes, but I don't have
> the lower back flexibility of a 20 year old gymnast, so my handlebars are
> level with my saddle like a civilized old person. Yes, that's the 
> Quickbeam
> in the background. No, I'm not 100% sure I like the red electrical tape
> with the bar tape, but I was out of blue. I did try twine, but this is the
> Newbaum's padded cotton tape, so I couldn't get the twine to work well.
>
> With a load, it hangs just a bit lower than when empty (I just used it
> to carry my phone this morning), so doesn't block my little "be seen"
> headlight. Mostly empty, it was a bit too close to the headlight.
>
> Here's the attachment straps, which might be a bit "hand pokey" with
> the points on the grey buckle that poke into the holes on the black 
> plastic
> strap. Yes, I should polish my brass bell, and you can just barely see the
> new brass washers on the Silver bar-end shifters! I think I'll have to get
> good at making sure the grey buckles are away from my hands:
> [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1048-20230624.jpg]
>
> Next, same two bags on the Ibis with my WTB ORD bars, where the
> narrower Swift really works well. The jingle bells are from a Pow Wow,
> they're used on the ankles of the Jingle Dance, and do a great job of
> letting folks (and horses) know I'm approaching them on the trails.
> [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1051-20230624.jpg][image:
> Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1050-20230624.jpg]
>
> Finally, I think the triple attachment system of the Swift (it also
> has an around-the-head-tube cord) might make me able to use it to take my
> Fuji X-E3 and 23/2 lens on some rides:
> [image: Swift-With-Fuji.jpg]
>
> Drew
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Re: [RBW] Re: A few Swift bags at Sierra.com

[Drew Saunders]

Patrick, Rich, Ryan,

Thanks for the kind words. I was wondering if it was worth the review, on 
the assumption that this kind of deal wouldn't last, but I just checked and 
that bag is still in stock. I think I'll test it out with a camera this 
weekend.

Drew

On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 8:50:53 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> I've had that Brand V bag since...2012 or so? It is a great bag...but the 
> zippers(YKK I think)  aren't working as smoothly as I'd like and there is 
> some fraying/unravelling of the fabric around the zipper track. Maybe 
> operator error. I suspect maybe some beeswax or even a dry bar of soap 
> along the teeth might help things along
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> Drew, you just raised the bar (no pun intended) on product reporting! 
>> Well done. Nice price on a compact bag that deceptively holds more than it 
>> looks like it would.
>> The Swift bar bag reminds me a little bit of the old (not waterproof) Riv 
>> Brand V handlebar bag shown below. Not wide like the Candybar bag but 
>> decent depth and in my experience good capacity. Enjoy your new bag.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> [image: BrandV bag.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 9:08:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Drew: Eloquent and witty report; appreciated.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who now thinks of finding a Swift bar bag to replace the 
>>> somewhat intrusive large "gas tank" bag on his Monocog 29er. (I'd also 
>>> consider a Candy Bar bag or clone.)
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 2:08 PM Drew Saunders  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 OK, as promised, photos of the new Swift Kestrel bag.

 First, the payload: 
 [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1045-20230624.jpg]

 Now, all of that in the Candy Bar Bag (which they stopped selling years 
 ago). Sometimes called a "handlebar tube." It originally had leather 
 straps 
 with buckles, but I preferred being able to get it tight to the handlebars 
 with some Velcro straps instead:
 [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1046-20230624.jpg]

 Next, the same payload (vest, gloves, more gloves, phone) in the Swift 
 Kestrel:
 [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1047-20230624.jpg]

 As you can see, it's deeper, so the volume is the same. If I had 
 "slammed" my stem, it might get too close to the brakes, but I don't have 
 the lower back flexibility of a 20 year old gymnast, so my handlebars are 
 level with my saddle like a civilized old person. Yes, that's the 
 Quickbeam 
 in the background. No, I'm not 100% sure I like the red electrical tape 
 with the bar tape, but I was out of blue. I did try twine, but this is the 
 Newbaum's padded cotton tape, so I couldn't get the twine to work well.

 With a load, it hangs just a bit lower than when empty (I just used it 
 to carry my phone this morning), so doesn't block my little "be seen" 
 headlight. Mostly empty, it was a bit too close to the headlight.

 Here's the attachment straps, which might be a bit "hand pokey" with 
 the points on the grey buckle that poke into the holes on the black 
 plastic 
 strap. Yes, I should polish my brass bell, and you can just barely see the 
 new brass washers on the Silver bar-end shifters! I think I'll have to get 
 good at making sure the grey buckles are away from my hands:
 [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1048-20230624.jpg]

 Next, same two bags on the Ibis with my WTB ORD bars, where the 
 narrower Swift really works well. The jingle bells are from a Pow Wow, 
 they're used on the ankles of the Jingle Dance, and do a great job of 
 letting folks (and horses) know I'm approaching them on the trails.
 [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1051-20230624.jpg][image: 
 Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1050-20230624.jpg]

 Finally, I think the triple attachment system of the Swift (it also has 
 an around-the-head-tube cord) might make me able to use it to take my Fuji 
 X-E3 and 23/2 lens on some rides:
 [image: Swift-With-Fuji.jpg]

 Drew

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS handlebars: Nitto Noodles 46cm, Dirt Drop, VO

[Bill Lindsay]

5 noodles or $140 is the deal of the century.

BL in EC

On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 9:11:36 AM UTC-7 Ed Felker wrote:

> Update: Here's the correct link for photos: https://tinyurl.com/5n8yrvs3
>
> Ed 
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 11:25 AM Ed Felker  wrote:
>
>> After selling some bikes as framesets and converting others to 31.8 
>> stems, I've got a group of 26.0 clamp Nitto and VO handlebars to sell. 
>> Please read the important shipping info below. 
>>
>> Photos here: https://tinyurl.com/ye3cabnf
>>
>> 5 - Nitto Noodle 177cm bars, all 46cm, 26.0 clamp diameter. All were 
>> ridden and are in good to excellent condition. I cleaned the center 
>> sections but not all of the electrical tape residue from the drops. All 
>> were wrapped with nonadhesive bar tape. There are some surface marks from 
>> the brake levers but no gouges. $35 each.
>>
>> 1 - New Nitto RM013 Dirt Drop flared bar. 42 cm width at the hoods. 26.0 
>> clamp. These were put into a stem and removed before riding. $50.
>>
>> 1 - VO Grand Cru deep drop bar. $15. Briefly used. 
>>
>> Shipping is free for multiple items. If you buy all five Noodle bars, one 
>> is free for a total shipped price of $140. 
>>
>> Price for the entire lot is $185 free shipping. 
>>
>> I have three handlebar shipping boxes right now that I hope suffice for 
>> this sale.
>>
>> If I have any singles left over I will advise the list. 
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>> Ed Felker
>> Washington, DC 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS handlebars: Nitto Noodles 46cm, Dirt Drop, VO

[Ed Felker]

Update: Here's the correct link for photos: https://tinyurl.com/5n8yrvs3

Ed

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 11:25 AM Ed Felker  wrote:

> After selling some bikes as framesets and converting others to 31.8 stems,
> I've got a group of 26.0 clamp Nitto and VO handlebars to sell. Please read
> the important shipping info below.
>
> Photos here: https://tinyurl.com/ye3cabnf
>
> 5 - Nitto Noodle 177cm bars, all 46cm, 26.0 clamp diameter. All were
> ridden and are in good to excellent condition. I cleaned the center
> sections but not all of the electrical tape residue from the drops. All
> were wrapped with nonadhesive bar tape. There are some surface marks from
> the brake levers but no gouges. $35 each.
>
> 1 - New Nitto RM013 Dirt Drop flared bar. 42 cm width at the hoods. 26.0
> clamp. These were put into a stem and removed before riding. $50.
>
> 1 - VO Grand Cru deep drop bar. $15. Briefly used.
>
> Shipping is free for multiple items. If you buy all five Noodle bars, one
> is free for a total shipped price of $140.
>
> Price for the entire lot is $185 free shipping.
>
> I have three handlebar shipping boxes right now that I hope suffice for
> this sale.
>
> If I have any singles left over I will advise the list.
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> Ed Felker
> Washington, DC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Plush old 531 steel frames (was being precious)

[Jamie Hascall]

My first "real" bike after my two-speed Schwinn Typhoon was a Frejus I 
bought at Robert's Cyclery in Chicago. It was the first bike I'd ever 
ridden that felt alive. I rode that all through high school and college. 
Years later I picked up a nicely restored '63 Jack Taylor Super 
International frame from a shop in Portland. It was my first 531 frame and 
I built it up to ride with a batch of Ultegra parts that I had. It was the 
fastest bike I've ever ridden. I don't know if that's objectively true, but 
it had a feel like nothing I've ever been on. Sadly, the short Jack Taylor 
brazed stem and the long top tube made the riding position too stretched 
out for my aging body to ride the long distances I'd planned on and it got 
relegated to short rides and eventually taken out of use. It hangs in the 
corner of my shop and needs a new home.

[image: DSCF9306.jpeg]
[image: DSCF9314.jpeg]

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 12:33:33 PM UTC-7 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you Eric,
>
> JohnS
>
> On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 11:14:27 AM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> The mount I added to the Singer is this one:
>>
>> [image: 
>> 3198yXsC3ML._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingTHREEANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA321,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>>
>> Elite 0123301 VIP Cage Clamps Water Bottle Cage, 25mm-70mm, Black 
>> 
>> amazon.com 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> It’s been solid and dependable. The device adds mounting points—you 
>> provide the bottle cage.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 9:16 AM, JohnS  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Eric N,
>>
>> Thanks for the close up of your bike. Because of it I noticed the clamped 
>> on water bottle cage on the seat tube. Do you like? Which brand is it? I 
>> would like to add a water bottle cage to my '82 Sequoia's down tube (Tange 
>> Special Series Touring, Cro-Mo Double Butted), great riding bike, so much 
>> more lively than my Surly Pacer.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:57:10 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> For the tubing nerds out there: the 531 Professional decal (in French) 
>>> on my 1983 Alex Singer. 
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> –Eric N
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2023, at 6:53 PM, brendonoid  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> My late 80s Holdsworth Mistral is 531c (I assume that's the competition 
>>> tubing?) And is the only frame I've ridden that has that "planing" feeling 
>>> that Jan gets so hot under the collar for.
>>> I have converted it to 650b and it is my go to roadish bike when I'm not 
>>> on a Riv. Definitely a special frame.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A few Swift bags at Sierra.com

[Ryan]

I've had that Brand V bag since...2012 or so? It is a great bag...but the 
zippers(YKK I think)  aren't working as smoothly as I'd like and there is 
some fraying/unravelling of the fabric around the zipper track. Maybe 
operator error. I suspect maybe some beeswax or even a dry bar of soap 
along the teeth might help things along

On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> Drew, you just raised the bar (no pun intended) on product reporting! Well 
> done. Nice price on a compact bag that deceptively holds more than it looks 
> like it would.
> The Swift bar bag reminds me a little bit of the old (not waterproof) Riv 
> Brand V handlebar bag shown below. Not wide like the Candybar bag but 
> decent depth and in my experience good capacity. Enjoy your new bag.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> [image: BrandV bag.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 9:08:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Drew: Eloquent and witty report; appreciated.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who now thinks of finding a Swift bar bag to replace the 
>> somewhat intrusive large "gas tank" bag on his Monocog 29er. (I'd also 
>> consider a Candy Bar bag or clone.)
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 2:08 PM Drew Saunders  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, as promised, photos of the new Swift Kestrel bag.
>>>
>>> First, the payload: 
>>> [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1045-20230624.jpg]
>>>
>>> Now, all of that in the Candy Bar Bag (which they stopped selling years 
>>> ago). Sometimes called a "handlebar tube." It originally had leather straps 
>>> with buckles, but I preferred being able to get it tight to the handlebars 
>>> with some Velcro straps instead:
>>> [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1046-20230624.jpg]
>>>
>>> Next, the same payload (vest, gloves, more gloves, phone) in the Swift 
>>> Kestrel:
>>> [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1047-20230624.jpg]
>>>
>>> As you can see, it's deeper, so the volume is the same. If I had 
>>> "slammed" my stem, it might get too close to the brakes, but I don't have 
>>> the lower back flexibility of a 20 year old gymnast, so my handlebars are 
>>> level with my saddle like a civilized old person. Yes, that's the Quickbeam 
>>> in the background. No, I'm not 100% sure I like the red electrical tape 
>>> with the bar tape, but I was out of blue. I did try twine, but this is the 
>>> Newbaum's padded cotton tape, so I couldn't get the twine to work well.
>>>
>>> With a load, it hangs just a bit lower than when empty (I just used it 
>>> to carry my phone this morning), so doesn't block my little "be seen" 
>>> headlight. Mostly empty, it was a bit too close to the headlight.
>>>
>>> Here's the attachment straps, which might be a bit "hand pokey" with the 
>>> points on the grey buckle that poke into the holes on the black plastic 
>>> strap. Yes, I should polish my brass bell, and you can just barely see the 
>>> new brass washers on the Silver bar-end shifters! I think I'll have to get 
>>> good at making sure the grey buckles are away from my hands:
>>> [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1048-20230624.jpg]
>>>
>>> Next, same two bags on the Ibis with my WTB ORD bars, where the narrower 
>>> Swift really works well. The jingle bells are from a Pow Wow, they're used 
>>> on the ankles of the Jingle Dance, and do a great job of letting folks (and 
>>> horses) know I'm approaching them on the trails.
>>> [image: Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1051-20230624.jpg][image: 
>>> Fuji-X-E3-DSCF1050-20230624.jpg]
>>>
>>> Finally, I think the triple attachment system of the Swift (it also has 
>>> an around-the-head-tube cord) might make me able to use it to take my Fuji 
>>> X-E3 and 23/2 lens on some rides:
>>> [image: Swift-With-Fuji.jpg]
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS handlebars: Nitto Noodles 46cm, Dirt Drop, VO

[Ed Felker]

After selling some bikes as framesets and converting others to 31.8 stems,
I've got a group of 26.0 clamp Nitto and VO handlebars to sell. Please read
the important shipping info below.

Photos here: https://tinyurl.com/ye3cabnf

5 - Nitto Noodle 177cm bars, all 46cm, 26.0 clamp diameter. All were ridden
and are in good to excellent condition. I cleaned the center sections but
not all of the electrical tape residue from the drops. All were wrapped
with nonadhesive bar tape. There are some surface marks from the brake
levers but no gouges. $35 each.

1 - New Nitto RM013 Dirt Drop flared bar. 42 cm width at the hoods. 26.0
clamp. These were put into a stem and removed before riding. $50.

1 - VO Grand Cru deep drop bar. $15. Briefly used.

Shipping is free for multiple items. If you buy all five Noodle bars, one
is free for a total shipped price of $140.

Price for the entire lot is $185 free shipping.

I have three handlebar shipping boxes right now that I hope suffice for
this sale.

If I have any singles left over I will advise the list.

Thanks for looking!

Ed Felker
Washington, DC

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