[RBW] Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois or Andiamos under street shorts

[Patrick Moore]

I was just perusing the new Riv email update and saw Andiamos.

I gave up nastily clinging lycra shorts with nasty, bulky pillow pads over
20 years ago, but when I ride over 30 miles I do sometimes like to wear
something a bit more bunch, crease, and chafe resistant than my usual
oversized nylon boxers under street shorts or Rapha Randonee shorts.

I've hoarded about 3 pairs of nice Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois
or -- for one pair -- a synthetic that is also minimalist.

But I'd rather have something synthetic for ease of laundering and an
undergarment that can be worn under any decent pair of shorts, as long as
it serves as well the basic purpose of bike shorts: prevent bunching and
chafing. Again, I'm not interested in padding; I chose the right saddle and
I have it and bar positioned properly.

So, those of you with relevant experience, will Andiamos be as comfortable
under Rapha touring shorts as wool Kuchariks with chamois?

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Build Opinions

[tellyoutoday]

I have a good condition choco-moose I could let go if the OP has any 
interest. 

On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 1:55:39 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> Just to pipe in on CHOCO-MOOSE. I emailed Riv a while ago and they said 
> they may not restock them ever and/or is yet undecided on the fate of the 
> Chocomoose. I noticed they came into stock at bluelug and immediately 
> ordered a pair and love them. They feel how I imagine moustache bars should 
> feel when I imagined liking them. Sporty yet comfortable with lots of for 
> and aft space. Sportier than the Bosco. more comfortable than a drop. They 
> have become one of my favorite bars (even thought I think Loscos are more 
> classically handsome like a porteur bar) functionally the chocomoose are 
> fantastic on a long TT bike. (I got these bars as a potential option on a 
> appaloosa/hunqalpillar like build from a local builder but have stuck on my 
> clementine because I love them so) 
>
> Given the lesser price - by the time you pay for bulky shipping it's still 
> cheaper than Riv - plus you can order some fun blue lug merchandise since 
> there will be lots of room in that box.  
>
> On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 1:38:47 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> When I bought an Appaloosa, I compared the effective TT length with one 
>> of my other drop bar bikes on which I was comfortable, and found it was 
>> about 30mm longer. So I used a 70mm stem vs the 100mm stem on the other 
>> bike. Everything seems fine - I've had it setup like that for a couple of 
>> years:
>> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Build Opinions

[Mackenzy Albright]

Just to pipe in on CHOCO-MOOSE. I emailed Riv a while ago and they said 
they may not restock them ever and/or is yet undecided on the fate of the 
Chocomoose. I noticed they came into stock at bluelug and immediately 
ordered a pair and love them. They feel how I imagine moustache bars should 
feel when I imagined liking them. Sporty yet comfortable with lots of for 
and aft space. Sportier than the Bosco. more comfortable than a drop. They 
have become one of my favorite bars (even thought I think Loscos are more 
classically handsome like a porteur bar) functionally the chocomoose are 
fantastic on a long TT bike. (I got these bars as a potential option on a 
appaloosa/hunqalpillar like build from a local builder but have stuck on my 
clementine because I love them so) 

Given the lesser price - by the time you pay for bulky shipping it's still 
cheaper than Riv - plus you can order some fun blue lug merchandise since 
there will be lots of room in that box.  

On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 1:38:47 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> When I bought an Appaloosa, I compared the effective TT length with one of 
> my other drop bar bikes on which I was comfortable, and found it was about 
> 30mm longer. So I used a 70mm stem vs the 100mm stem on the other bike. 
> Everything seems fine - I've had it setup like that for a couple of years:
> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]
>
> Nick Payne
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: One bike's worth of Tektro V-Brakes

[Kim H.]

 The Tektro V-Brakes have been SOLD !

On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 5:57:05 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> I have for sale one used bike's worth of Tektro V-Brakes off of my Clem 
> Smith Jr. "L" bicycle. They are good condition. I am missing an end cap on 
> one of the noodles. Otherwise, all the parts are there. The brake pads 
> still have good wear left on them.
>
> $35.00, shipped in the CONUS.
> Paypal payment friends and family, please.
>
> Kim Hetzel 
> Yelm, WA. 
> [image: 20230701_181052 (2).jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Derailer Question - XTR-951

[Patrick Moore]

The Bullseye replacement pulleys -- 8 speed? Or do these date from 7-speed
or even pre-7-speed days? -- on my rd work fine with an 11 sp chain. I
expect they'd work fine with a 12 speed chain.

On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 3:40:02 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
I just picked up a 951 rapid rise derailer on Ebay. The listing said it's
an 8-speed. I figured it might just be that's how the seller had it set up
- I plan to use it on my 9 speed setup.

Then I bumped into someone selling 9sp pulleys for an XTR derailer, which
got me wondering - do 951's have a specific 8sp or 9sp spec?  If they do,
is it because of different pulleys? Or are they all the same and work for 8
or 9?

Thanks
Max

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[RBW] Re: Derailer Question - XTR-951

[maxcr]

Thanks that's exactly what I needed to know!

Max

On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 4:09:32 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Max, the M951 will work fine with both 8-speed and 9-speed. 
>
> (Shimano technically called the M951 an 8-speed. And when they came out 
> with the M953 Rapid Rise they called the latter 9-speed.)  
>
>
> On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 3:40:02 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> I just picked up a 951 rapid rise derailer on Ebay. The listing said it's 
>> an 8-speed. I figured it might just be that's how the seller had it set up 
>> - I plan to use it on my 9 speed setup.
>>
>> Then I bumped into someone selling 9sp pulleys for an XTR derailer, which 
>> got me wondering - do 951's have a specific 8sp or 9sp spec?  If they do, 
>> is it because of different pulleys? Or are they all the same and work for 8 
>> or 9?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Max
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Derailer Question - XTR-951

[J J]

Max, the M951 will work fine with both 8-speed and 9-speed. 

(Shimano technically called the M951 an 8-speed. And when they came out 
with the M953 Rapid Rise they called the latter 9-speed.)  


On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 3:40:02 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> I just picked up a 951 rapid rise derailer on Ebay. The listing said it's 
> an 8-speed. I figured it might just be that's how the seller had it set up 
> - I plan to use it on my 9 speed setup.
>
> Then I bumped into someone selling 9sp pulleys for an XTR derailer, which 
> got me wondering - do 951's have a specific 8sp or 9sp spec?  If they do, 
> is it because of different pulleys? Or are they all the same and work for 8 
> or 9?
>
> Thanks
> Max
>
>
>

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[RBW] Derailer Question - XTR-951

[maxcr]

I just picked up a 951 rapid rise derailer on Ebay. The listing said it's 
an 8-speed. I figured it might just be that's how the seller had it set up 
- I plan to use it on my 9 speed setup.

Then I bumped into someone selling 9sp pulleys for an XTR derailer, which 
got me wondering - do 951's have a specific 8sp or 9sp spec?  If they do, 
is it because of different pulleys? Or are they all the same and work for 8 
or 9?

Thanks
Max


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[RBW] WTB: Sackville Saddlesack med or equivalent

[alan lavine]

Hi All,
I'm looking for a bag for my city schlepper  (precise cycling technical 
term) that's big but not huge. Thinking of above or Carradice Longflap, 
etc. Wacha got sitting around getting dusty? Beausage OK.

Thanks,
Alan

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[RBW] Reminder: Check that DMs are from someone on this list before transacting

[Ted W]

A reminder to everyone participating in buying and selling here to always
check that the person DMing you is a member of the group before you
interact with them. Unfortunately, I did not take my own advice here. Don't
be like me.

PS. I'm still looking for brass bits ;)

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From: Ted W 
Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:49 PM
Subject: Re:
To: anita Batya 


No, I will send the money after it arrives or it can sit in Statesboro.
Your choice. I’ve paid what we agreed and I’m willing to help you recoup
the cost of your mistake but I’ve been scammed enough times in my life to
know never to send the additional money before receiving the item in
question.

Ball is in your court. Pay it and I’ll reimburse or I can just let the
mailing list (and admin) know you’re a scammer and I’ll move on with my
life.

On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:44 PM anita Batya  wrote:

> You will have to send the additional money to cover shipping
> which is $12. I thought i told you the order is in Statesboro
> and not moving.
> I will give you new paypal details that will cover that.
>
> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 6:36 PM Ted W  wrote:
>
>> Yes, once the items have arrived at my house I will send additional money
>> to cover the extra shipping costs
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:28 PM anita Batya  wrote:
>>
>>> Did you get my reply regarding your order?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 9:52 PM anita Batya  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Ted

 When your message popped in i got to confirm
 why  your order has not arrived.to my amazement
 there was a mispackaging of 3 blue lug brass
 crank caps instead of just one.it has been stopped
 in statesboro due to additional shipping fee needed.
 it's an error from my end here but i will have to plead.
 can you help in sending $12 when you receive the package
 you can sell of the other two and keep the funds.
 So sorry for any inconvenience...

 Anita








 On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:43 AM Ted W  wrote:

> Hi Anita,
>
> Please let me know when you are able to get this in the mail.
>
> Thanks,
> Ted
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:59 AM anita Batya 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ted
>> How are you today,Hope you are good.Happy independence from here...
>> shipping did not take off yesterday due to time and shipping will not
>> be available  today due to the public holiday.
>> Work will commence on wednesday july 5th,pls bear with me and sorry
>> for
>> any inconveniences.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anita
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 6:49 PM anita Batya 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Got it. Shipping will commence soon to your address.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023, 6:33 PM Ted W  wrote:
>>>
 [image: Screenshot 2023-07-03 at 1.32.51 PM.png]
 I've sent the Paypal as shown.

 Shipping address is 

 On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 11:24 AM anita Batya 
 wrote:

> Hi Ted
> I will let it go for $17 shipping fee included .I will send you my
> PayPal
> details now.
>


 --
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>>> --
> Ted Wood < ted.l.w...@gmail.com >
>
 --
>> Ted Wood < ted.l.w...@gmail.com >
>>
> --
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[RBW] Reminder: Beware of scammers on this list

[Ted W]

Let this be a reminder to everyone to always skim the group conversation
history for posting history of a user before doing business with someone
who DMs you. Shame on me for failing to do so.

Beware of this scammer.

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From: Ted W 
Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 12:49 PM
Subject: Re:
To: anita Batya 


No, I will send the money after it arrives or it can sit in Statesboro.
Your choice. I’ve paid what we agreed and I’m will to help you recoup the
cost of your mistake but I’ve been scammed enough times in my life to know
never to send the additional money before receiving the item in question.

Hall is in your court. Pay it and I’ll reimburse or I can just let the
mailing list (and admin) know you’re a scammer and I’ll move on with my
life.

On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:44 PM anita Batya  wrote:

> You will have to send the additional money to cover shipping
> which is $12. I thought i told you the order is in Statesboro
> and not moving.
> I will give you new paypal details that will cover that.
>
> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 6:36 PM Ted W  wrote:
>
>> Yes, once the items have arrived at my house I will send additional money
>> to cover the extra shipping costs
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:28 PM anita Batya  wrote:
>>
>>> Did you get my reply regarding your order?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 9:52 PM anita Batya  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Ted

 When your message popped in i got to confirm
 why  your order has not arrived.to my amazement
 there was a mispackaging of 3 blue lug brass
 crank caps instead of just one.it has been stopped
 in statesboro due to additional shipping fee needed.
 it's an error from my end here but i will have to plead.
 can you help in sending $12 when you receive the package
 you can sell of the other two and keep the funds.
 So sorry for any inconvenience...

 Anita








 On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:43 AM Ted W  wrote:

> Hi Anita,
>
> Please let me know when you are able to get this in the mail.
>
> Thanks,
> Ted
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:59 AM anita Batya 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ted
>> How are you today,Hope you are good.Happy independence from here...
>> shipping did not take off yesterday due to time and shipping will not
>> be available  today due to the public holiday.
>> Work will commence on wednesday july 5th,pls bear with me and sorry
>> for
>> any inconveniences.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anita
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 6:49 PM anita Batya 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Got it. Shipping will commence soon to your address.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023, 6:33 PM Ted W  wrote:
>>>
 [image: Screenshot 2023-07-03 at 1.32.51 PM.png]
 I've sent the Paypal as shown.

 Shipping address is 1851 Meadow Ln, Decatur, GA, 30032

 On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 11:24 AM anita Batya 
 wrote:

> Hi Ted
> I will let it go for $17 shipping fee included .I will send you my
> PayPal
> details now.
>


 --
 Ted Wood < ted.l.w...@gmail.com >

>>> --
> Ted Wood < ted.l.w...@gmail.com >
>
 --
>> Ted Wood < ted.l.w...@gmail.com >
>>
> --
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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Edwin W]

The mid-May Blahg did say December in purple and dark orange. Or purple and 
Sergio green. 

We will see!

Love the idea of it,

Edwin

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:40:16 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> The mid-May Blahg  
> has em slated 
> for December in purple and dark orange. 
> Mack in Alberta 
>
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 4:21:05 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The latest update they published was in February. saying they'd ship put 
>> of Taiwan in August/September.  That same email update said there would be 
>> a lugged Susie shipping in June and Platypus in July.  The Susie's don't 
>> seem to be here yet, so maybe push everything back a little.  October?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:54:59 PM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone got any news/updates on availability?
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rebour saddle break in

[Alex Wirth]

This saddle prob has 100 miles on it and still feels new.  Having a pretty
upright posture and approaching 200 lbs any of my brooks would be nice and
comfy by now.

I think I’ll start by adding some proof hide to bottom…

Wish me luck! 

On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 7:39 AM Ryan  wrote:

> It's nice that these saddles are being made again. My 3rd 73/74 Peugeot
> PX-10 bought in 1981 came with an Ideale 90 saddle; sometimes these bikes
> specced the Brooks Professional, which my first 2 had and sometimes the
> Ideale. Mine got caught in the rain numerous times and at one point, when
> my Peugeot was stored inside my downtown apartment and my son was 18 months
> to 2 years old I noticed the leather was drying out. No proofide to hand,
> but what I did have was Vaseline for diaper rash, so I applied a liberal
> coating to the top and underside of the saddle and blotted off the excess.
> Worked like a charm. The saddle, surprisingly, is still in great shape,
> although the labelling stamped into the leather has long since eroded after
> 40 years of benign neglect. I've proofided it every few years when I think
> of it. The 200+ price tag seems spendy, but if the quality of the leather
> used matches what I have, that saddle will last a long long time. I'm not
> sure the leather in modern saddles is as high quality.
>
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 7:40:05 PM UTC-5 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Since the consistency of the color strongly suggests that this is a
>> brand-new Ideale 90 (an older one would have less even color, as a result
>> of decades of use), and would therefore be 1) newly made by the rebooted
>> company and 2) pricy (US $272 + shipping at today's conversion rate), have
>> you tried Ideale's saddle treatment (what they refer to as "maintenance
>> grease") and use instructions?
>>
>> https://www.sellesideale.fr/en/90-model/90-chromesteel-tan
>>
>> https://www.sellesideale.fr/en/care-instructions
>>
>> It's also possible that the Brooks v. Ideale factor comes into play here.
>> You don't say which model/s of Brooks you're accustomed to; there's a wide
>> range of variations over 100+ years. But generally, I have found all Brooks
>> saddles wider than the narrow "ass hatchet" models (B5N in particular) to
>> be wider than their analogous Ideale models. For me, this has meant that I
>> have an Ideale backside; my 1970s Rebour 90 and various 60s-70s Ideale 80s
>> fit me better than any Brooks model, even a 1973 Brooks Professional which
>> visually appears to have nearly the same shape as the Ideale 90.
>>
>> It may be that you have a Brooks-friendly butt.
>>
>> The operators of the revived Ideale posted frequently to the Classic
>> Rendezvous group as they were starting up. Several CR members bought
>> saddles - both prototypes and release versions; they reported that the
>> Ideale people were excellent to deal with, and eager to offer assistance to
>> their users.
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/classic-rendezvous-lightweight-vintage-bicycles/c/N3oWuQz4HYk/m/3ls2qc_YAQAJ
>>
>> Break-in treatments for leather saddles are a regular topic of discussion
>> there; as the Google Group's content is invisible to outsiders (like iBOB;
>> I'm not sure about RBWOB), it might be worth your while to create an
>> account. The website's in the process of a reboot, and the link to request
>> the webmaster/list administrator to be added to the forum has not been made
>> active yet; check back to https://classicrendezvous.com/ in a few days.
>>
>> Peter "gonna buy one of those new Ideales, when my ship comes in" Adler
>> riding on no-break-in Selle An-Atomicas most of the time in
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 2:43:47 PM UTC-7 Alex Wirth wrote:
>>
>> I usually don't add conditioner to my brooks saddles but this Rebour is
>> punishing my rear end like a cinder blockand looks like a newborn.
>>
>> Anyone have any sage advice other than some brooks saddle conditioner and
>> black shorts?
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG-9207.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Rebour saddle break in

[Ryan]

It's nice that these saddles are being made again. My 3rd 73/74 Peugeot 
PX-10 bought in 1981 came with an Ideale 90 saddle; sometimes these bikes 
specced the Brooks Professional, which my first 2 had and sometimes the 
Ideale. Mine got caught in the rain numerous times and at one point, when 
my Peugeot was stored inside my downtown apartment and my son was 18 months 
to 2 years old I noticed the leather was drying out. No proofide to hand, 
but what I did have was Vaseline for diaper rash, so I applied a liberal 
coating to the top and underside of the saddle and blotted off the excess. 
Worked like a charm. The saddle, surprisingly, is still in great shape, 
although the labelling stamped into the leather has long since eroded after 
40 years of benign neglect. I've proofided it every few years when I think 
of it. The 200+ price tag seems spendy, but if the quality of the leather 
used matches what I have, that saddle will last a long long time. I'm not 
sure the leather in modern saddles is as high quality. 

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 7:40:05 PM UTC-5 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Since the consistency of the color strongly suggests that this is a 
> brand-new Ideale 90 (an older one would have less even color, as a result 
> of decades of use), and would therefore be 1) newly made by the rebooted 
> company and 2) pricy (US $272 + shipping at today's conversion rate), have 
> you tried Ideale's saddle treatment (what they refer to as "maintenance 
> grease") and use instructions?
>
> https://www.sellesideale.fr/en/90-model/90-chromesteel-tan
>
> https://www.sellesideale.fr/en/care-instructions
>
> It's also possible that the Brooks v. Ideale factor comes into play here. 
> You don't say which model/s of Brooks you're accustomed to; there's a wide 
> range of variations over 100+ years. But generally, I have found all Brooks 
> saddles wider than the narrow "ass hatchet" models (B5N in particular) to 
> be wider than their analogous Ideale models. For me, this has meant that I 
> have an Ideale backside; my 1970s Rebour 90 and various 60s-70s Ideale 80s 
> fit me better than any Brooks model, even a 1973 Brooks Professional which 
> visually appears to have nearly the same shape as the Ideale 90.
>
> It may be that you have a Brooks-friendly butt.
>
> The operators of the revived Ideale posted frequently to the Classic 
> Rendezvous group as they were starting up. Several CR members bought 
> saddles - both prototypes and release versions; they reported that the 
> Ideale people were excellent to deal with, and eager to offer assistance to 
> their users.
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/classic-rendezvous-lightweight-vintage-bicycles/c/N3oWuQz4HYk/m/3ls2qc_YAQAJ
>
> Break-in treatments for leather saddles are a regular topic of discussion 
> there; as the Google Group's content is invisible to outsiders (like iBOB; 
> I'm not sure about RBWOB), it might be worth your while to create an 
> account. The website's in the process of a reboot, and the link to request 
> the webmaster/list administrator to be added to the forum has not been made 
> active yet; check back to https://classicrendezvous.com/ in a few days.
>
> Peter "gonna buy one of those new Ideales, when my ship comes in" Adler
> riding on no-break-in Selle An-Atomicas most of the time in
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 2:43:47 PM UTC-7 Alex Wirth wrote:
>
> I usually don't add conditioner to my brooks saddles but this Rebour is 
> punishing my rear end like a cinder blockand looks like a newborn.
>
> Anyone have any sage advice other than some brooks saddle conditioner and 
> black shorts?
>
>
> [image: IMG-9207.jpg]
>
>

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