[RBW] Re: Comfy aluminum frames?

[Will M]

Alan, Jan Heine's 2021 book, *All Road Bicycle Revolution*, has some good 
reading on this topic ("characteristics of a great frame can be obtained 
from all materials"; p. 174) that aligns with Sheldon Brown's writing from 
20 years ago  ("the 
reality is that you can make a good bike frame out of any of these metals, 
with any desired riding qualities, by selecting appropriate tubing 
diameters, wall thicknesses and frame geometry").  They both argue that the 
"feel" of a frame is influenced more by frame design than by the material 
itself. 

This doesn't answer your question.  :-)

I'm not sure I have an answer.  All I know is that my aluminum Yuba Sweet 
Curry cargo bike is the stiffest thing on the planet (to give 300-lb cargo 
capacity; look at all the aluminum trusses 

!).  

And that I agree with Matthias: my "forever bike" is also a C'dale 
adventure touring bike (this T1000 
; the aluminum CAAD2 
touring frame) that turns 25 in December.  I had posted previously 
 
about how I am slowly turning it into an Atlantis, having drunk too much 
Kool-Aid in Walnut Creek.  But I must say that the T1000 rides better than 
any RBW bike that I've owned.  Blasphemy, but there it is.  Something about 
its chromoly fork's geometry gives it magical handling.  If only it had the 
Atlantis's clearances.  I am waiting for the aluminum to fail so I can get 
in line for the next Atlantis batch. :-)

Will M
NYC


On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 5:32:56 PM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> As I said in another thread (
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/tAas6urcOwg/m/KW63fr0LCQAJ), 
> modern aluminium frames can be quite comfortable. Last week I did back to 
> back rides on successive days over the same chipseal roads on that Al bike 
> and on my Riv custom. I can't say that the Riv felt any more comfortable or 
> better handling. The Al frame was running Conti GP Urbans and the Riv Rene 
> Herse Bon Jon Pass, both nominally 35mm tyres.
>
> Nick Payne
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[Will M]

Hey Bob,

I installed an M12 on my Paul Touring Cantis (with the Paul Rack Adapters). 
 I agree with Bill L. that the UD-2's adjustable side struts -- or the VO 
rando rack's adjustable fork crown strut -- make leveling the rack way 
easier (for those of us with canti boses but without dedicated rando rack 
braze-ons).

For completeness of the thread:

   1. I had no trouble installing the Paul Rack Adapters... as simple as 
   installing the brakes with the rack adapters, adjusting brake spring 
   tension with a 14mm wrench, and then installing the rack.  Done.  Well, not 
   quite...
   2. As Bill points out, the brakes (and hence, the rack adapters) 
   protrude so far in front of the brake bosses that the struts lift the M12's 
   nose skyward. One can correct to some degree by maxing out the spacers 
   where the rack's fork crown bolt inserts into the fork crown.  But there 
   isn't enough thread on the back of the rack's fork crown bolt to get the 
   rack level. Here's a picture of the best I could do 
   

   .  
   3. Don't do this!  I first installed the M12 using "normal width" IRD 
   canti brakes, and drilled my aluminum fender to screw the fender to the 
   bottom of the M12 with a smallish spacer.  When I swapped out the IRDs for 
   the Paul Cantis, the rack moved so far forward that a new fender hole 
   needed to be drilled.  Swiss cheese.
   4. About that spacer between the rack and fender, a BIG spacer is 
   needed.  (Here's a pic of the spacer 
   

 needed 
   to keep the fender concentric with the 700c x 38mm tire.)
   5. Some folks have bent their racks in a vise to make the geometry work 
   out a little better.  Here's a blog post on this 
   
.
  
   But I didn't want to.
   6. Thank you Grant Petersen/RBW for putting dedicated rando rack 
   braze-ons on my Rambouillet 
   
.
  
   It was soo much easier to install a Mark's Rack. 

Cheers,
Will M
NYC
  

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 6:02:57 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Thank you for this. I recall reading the very thing some years ago, but 
> have been unable to find it again; hence my post here.
>
> I have the RH UD-1 on one bike, and am impressed with it, so the UD-2 may 
> be the way I go.
>
> --
> Bob
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 3:41:59 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> You are getting good advice on workarounds for this combination.  I think 
>> you understand it, but I think for the benefit of others, it's worth 
>> stating that the Nitto M12 + Paul Cantilever brakes is not an ideal 
>> combination.  The Nitto M12 was made to work with cantilever brakes that do 
>> not extend past the end of the cantilever posts.  Did Compe DC980, recently 
>> sold by Rivendell are one of those models.  Paul cantilever brakes can work 
>> awesome with a small front rack, but does best with rack models that have 
>> adjustable struts.  The Rene Herse UD-2 is the best of those (and is 
>> manufactured by Nitto).  
>>
>> Folks can make that combo work, but it takes work to get good results. 
>>  For those who are not yet stuck with that combination, there are other 
>> combos that work together more effortlessly.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:52:21 AM UTC-7 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front rack 
>>> that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either Touring 
>>> Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to know but 
>>> should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack Adapters.)
>>>
>>> I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere that 
>>> the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward from 
>>> the bosses than other cantilever brakes.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Kim H.]

Rivendell Joe Appaloosa Frameset Size 46 - $1,200 (Silverdale, Washington)
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7642198706.html

In Spokane, Washington:
Rivendell Bleriot - $1,000 (Deer Park) from a month ago. 
https://spokane.craigslist.org/bik/d/deer-park-rivendell-bleriot/7639080253.html

In Portland:
Rivendell Cheviot 60cm - $2,000 (Inner SE) from eleven days ago.
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-cheviot-60cm/7649209115.html

Some Bosco handlebars in Bend, Orgeon:
https://bend.craigslist.org/bop/d/terrebonne-nitto-bosco-bars/7641296110.html

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.






On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:48:56 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Platypus F/F/HS and seatpost 
> 55cm, Mermaid 
> Quaker Hill, CT
> $1,500 
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/301092715785068/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post
>
> Looks like someone bought the frame and never built it up. 
>
> [image: 346011872_6483232968438237_3764094931236716795_n.jpg]
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 11:31:27 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> PSA (no relation to the seller)
>>
>> Seems like a good deal for a 60 Sam: $1,200
>>
>> [image: 00808_aN2qhuqLXYH_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>
>> Rivendell Sam Hillborne 60cm - bicycles - by owner - bike sale 
>> 
>> missoula.craigslist.org 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:56 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:
>>
>> 60 Cheviot frame in Austin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://austin.craigslist.org/bik/d/austin-60cm-rivendell-cheviot-frame/7636520917.html
>>
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 11:15:34 AM UTC-7 Will M wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Eric!  I would have offered up the QB for sale here, but it is 
>>> such a unicorn (and there were so few of the orange 62cm framesets made) 
>>> that I didn’t know how to price it and decided to let “the market” decide. 
>>> :-)   Will M / NYC
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 11:46 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 [image: s-l1600.jpg]
 For thread posterity here's a pic of Will's swt Quickbeam. 

 Good luck with the sale, I've got it on my watchlist!
 On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:52:43 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> wow - what a QB! If only it were a 56!
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:05:22 PM UTC-7 Will M wrote:
>
>> Hi all.  Along lines of this thread, my 62cm orange Quickbeam is for 
>> sale on eBay right now 
>> .
>>   
>> Auction ends Sunday. Happy to do local pickup or ship.
>>
>> --Will M
>> NYC
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:41:59 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a brand new 55cm Platy frame.
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/301092715785068/
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:55:42 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>
 This appears to be an excellent deal. 51cm Appaloosa complete for 
 $1,850

 https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72490781
 On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-6 JAS wrote:

>  7 Rivs on Craiglsist in the Northwest:
>
> *Appaloosa,  47cm*
> Prototype, frame built by Mark Nobilette
> $3200
> Silverdale, WA
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-2015-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7641501704.html
>
> *Appaloosa frame set, 46cm*
> $1200
> blue
> Silverdale, WA
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7642198706.html
>
> *Appaloosa, 54cm*
> $3400
> orange
> Central Point, OR
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-appaloosa-54cm/7639357342.html
>
> *Ram, 54cm (or 56cm?)*
> $1900
> orange
> Central Point, OR
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-rambouillet-1st/7639406959.html
>
> *Susie/Wolbis XL frameset*
> $1775
> Eugene, OR
> lime-olive
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-new-rivendell-xl-susie-wolbis/7636146396.html
>
> *Hubuhhubuh, small*
> $3700
> Sequim, WA
>
> https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/sequim-rivendell-hubbuhubbuh-tandem/7642793863.html
>
> *Bleriot, 46cm*
> $1000
> Deer Park, WA (near Spokane)
>
> 

[RBW] Re: Trade: BoscoMoose Bars for ChocoMoose Bars

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

❤️

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:27:37 PM UTC-6 DeeterDeeter wrote:

> Hello RBW Folks! I'm looking to trade my beloved BoscoMoose bars. Does 
> anyone have a need to raise their rise and let go of their ChocoMoose Bars? 
> Let me know! I've got a Hillborne that is waiting to be rebuilt once the 
> trade is complete! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: tube tear at valve stem base — any ideas why and how to fix?

[J J]

Thanks, Garth and brainsarescary.

After riding about 50 miles on that wheel and tire, I’m happy to report 
that I did not experience another flat. I used the two-screw method, a 
valve screw inside and outside the rim, and I filed down the sharp edges of 
the valve stem hole with an off-brand Dremel-like rotary tool and a tapered 
sanding bit, per Garth’s suggestion. I also added a 2-inch long layer of 
bar tape (it’s what was handy) over the rim tape across the valve hole, and 
punched a hole in the tape. 

I believe I can conclude that the tube tear problem is solved. 

Thanks again to all for your help and feedback!

Jim
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 1:58:52 PM UTC-4 brainsa...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sounds like a problem with the rim or rim tape. I'd replace the tape and 
> inspect the valve hole for any burrs or things like that.
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 12:23:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> #1: tubes degrade with age. My experience says "no," at least gauging 
>> "age" by single decades. Pre-sealant I routinely rode tubes with up to 3 
>> dozen patches accumulated over many years and they worked as well as new 
>> tubes. If a tube was 50 years old I'd look at it more than quickly and 
>> casually, but "old" applied to tubes, IME, is a very generous term.
>>
>> #2. Skinny tubes in fatter tires. For a while I used 23-25 mm tubes in 42 
>> mm tires and they worked well. The skinnies were ultralights, too. "Well" 
>> instead of "perfectly" because my use involved sealants and OS regular did 
>> not seal as well in a skinny tube against a goathead puncture as well as it 
>> does a 40 mm tube, also extralight -- the stretching must make the hole a 
>> bit bigger.
>>
>> But since punctures sans goatheads are, glass-strewn dowtown streets 
>> apart, so rare, skinnies in fatters can work well. (I've used 1" tubes in 
>> 2" tires and 26" tubes in 29" tires, briefly but successfully.
>>
>> Back to the initial query: IME, bad manufacturing can be a cause of such 
>> splits, but the OP had the problem with several different makes.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 12:10 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>>> These type of flats are basically the only flats I've received in the 
>>> past decade or so - mostly because I am very particular and adamant about 
>>> checking my air pressures before riding. As such, it has caused me to 
>>> retain tubes for probably longer than most folks, and I'm assuming that has 
>>> in turn led to issues with the tubes degrading there at the base of the 
>>> valve stems. That said, it is very odd that you had three such flats in the 
>>> same ride... very curious. I'm sorry that happened to you, and hopefully 
>>> you can find the source of the issue!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations

[Nick Payne]

I use and like the Schwalbe Marathon Almotion in 55mm. They also make it in 
50mm width. They make two variations, one intended for use with tubes 
(V-Guard) and the other as tubeless (RaceGuard). The V-Guard version is 
almost 200g lighter.

https://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/marathon-almotion

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: A College Clem

[J G]

Just made this decision with my kid headed off to college in less than 2 
weeks, as the bike they have had for the past 8 years has no business in a 
college bike rack.

Was originally looking at 80s/90s mountain bikes, however they can be a 
little sluggish, so I ended up picking up a ~1997 Bianchi Advantage.  It is 
a great bike!

Really like these old 700c Bianchi's for this type of purpose.  Fit fat 
tires (up to 38c generally), upright riding position and 3x7 and depending 
on year model you can find your preferred shifter type as they seeming were 
made in thumb, twist and click shift versions depending on year.  Does not 
feel overbuilt.  They made a few similar models like the Boardwalk so lots 
of options out there within this 90s/00s Bianchi space alone.

I paid $140 for the one I just got and it was mechanically perfect and a 
really fun ride!



On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 12:59:17 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Leah — Another recommendation: the Electra Loft 7i. My friend in 
> Baltimore manages a Trek store and recently bought one. He quite likes it 
> and says it's okay if it gets stolen. He swapped the bars, stem, pedals, 
> seatpost, saddle, tires and added a front rack (I think it's a Velo Orange 
> constructeur with a Wald 139). Internally geared 3-speed hub. They're 
> around $750 from Trek. Just an idea :) 
>
> [image: loft.png]
>
> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:45:26 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah — Congrats on sending your son off to college 🥲. This question 
>> does seem a little tricky! My short answer: Send him off with a racked and 
>> bagged dyanmo-equipped Clem. 
>>
>> I'm not precious about my Rivendells in terms of dirt or scratches to the 
>> paint. But I make sure they're in good mechanical condition, running well 
>> and I take care to make sure they aren't stolen. But that's the *current* 
>> version 
>> of me. When I started college 20 years ago I didn't have racks, I didn't 
>> have bags, I didn't have lights and I didn't have a clue. My bike was two 
>> sizes too small for me.
>>
>> I would not give College Freshman Eric Marth a Rivendell to take to 
>> school. I didn't have any tools, I didn't know how to change or repair a 
>> tube or adjust brakes. And I wasn't interested! I didn't know how to ride 
>> safely and didn't have good lights or reflectors. But I was not adjacent to 
>> any kind of bike culture and I didn't have a parent who was into practical, 
>> beautiful bicycles as tools to enhance life. Having a bike become a part of 
>> everyday life in college could be transformative. Especially with a bike as 
>> means of self expression and something more than a machine to get you from 
>> A to B. 
>>
>> One recommendation might be to send him off for with a beater, but a good 
>> one. Something like an 80s or 90s steel mountain bike in the Rivendell 
>> style. A Bridgestone, Trek or Specialized with swept back bars, basket, 
>> bags and lights. Here's a picture of Roman's Sequoia (maybe not the best 
>> example, those bikes are pretty desirable and not too cheap!). 
>>
>> [image: seqq.png]
>>
>> But here's the thing: Finding a bike in the right size that checks all 
>> the boxes (steel, braze-ons, good tire clearance, etc.) plus all the 
>> accessories required (racks, bags, fenders, lights) and you're looking 
>> again at the cost of a Clem in the first place! Plus a lot of time getting 
>> all the stuff sourced and put together, whether you do it yourself or leave 
>> it to a shop. Any old steel mountain bike you find will almost certainly 
>> need tires, tubes, cables and brake pads. On an older used bike the brakes, 
>> pedals, derailers and gearing might not be right. The handlebars will 
>> certainly not sweep back gracefully. If you look around on Craigslist in 
>> your area you might get sper lucky and find someone who has already 
>> upgraded an old steel bike in this style. I see them from time to time. You 
>> might also have some luck by starting a Want To Buy thread here with your 
>> requirements. Someone might have a nice beater they're ready to move along. 
>>
>> Another alternative is an off-the-rack hybrid from your local bike shop. 
>> Well that's so un-groovy as to be pointless. Surely it will not be as 
>> practical as the Clem or half as good looking. I think it's worthwhile to 
>> customize the bike with whatever you have in mind. Once that stuff starts 
>> to weather and get a little dirty I wonder if the bike will become a real 
>> head-scratcher for thieves. Step thru, waxed sacks, wire basket, fenders, 
>> what is this thing? It doesn't have suspension springs or carbon anything. 
>> It's an everyday bike. 
>>
>> I'm curious about the transition and how he's suited to land and college 
>> and get right into riding the bike everyday. Does he currently have a 
>> bicycle lifestyle and use his bikes for errands, shopping, meeting with 
>> friends, going to work? Do you anticipate he'll use the bike every da

[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations

[Jeffrey Arita]

+2 for Panaracer GravelKing tires (smooth tread and "SS" and "SK" models 
(up to 700 x 43 size so far).  Have tried some RH models.  Panaracer GK's 
are 'close to good enough' at half the price vs. RH in our opinion.

Currently riding Panaracer GK smooth treads in US & France - approx. 1,700 
miles so far.

Good luck,

Jeff
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:04:16 PM UTC+2 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone, 
>
> I need a new set of durable-ish, puncture-resistant tires.
>
> Type of ride: Mostly long-distance rides on asphalt and concrete, and the 
> occasional gravel or dirt path. 
>
> Size: 700 x 50
>
> Dealbreakers: I use tubes, and all-black sidewalls. No gumwalls or stripes!
>
> I’m curretly looking at these two Schwalbe options:
>
> G-One Overland:
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Schwalbe-G-One-Overland-11654399
>
> Hurricane:
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Hurricane-11159185
>
> Does anyone have experience with either of these tires? Are these good 
> options? Or, can you make a recommendation for another tire that would work 
> for me?
>
> As always, your experience, wisdom, and advice are welcomed and 
> appreciated.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Justin Kennedy]

James said likely October before the new ones are in. They're coming in 
Sergio Green and Dark Gold, both frames and completes. Unclear specs on the 
latter but maybe something similar to Clem completes? I'm going to switch 
most of the components from my Clem for the build. Hopefully some pics to 
share soon. 

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Well, I for one, am glad to hear it. Waiting for the next round of 
> Platypuses is probably going to take too long, and it’s still riding season 
> NOW. So, I’m thrilled for you and I hope you will post photos and give us 
> your thorough review!
> Leah
>
> On Aug 10, 2023, at 9:52 AM, Justin Kennedy  wrote:
>
> Ended up ordering that 60cm Platy from C&L. Will keep you posted with the 
> build etc. Selling my Clem to a friend. Cheers everyone. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:23:53 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Love those green Cheviuts, something about the blue accents really works.
>>
>> Justin, best of luck with your search!
>>
>> jared
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 12817569245_6446d68d56_b.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 That Cheviot is HOT! That bike had one of the best headbadges.

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> As far as club rides are concerned for and with the Clem, I would say 
> yes, if most everyone in the group is moving at a slow pace. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding 
>> riding my Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I 
>> am 
>> going. I enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike. I do not know how much 
>> it 
>> weighs. However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly 
>> the most comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright 
>> riding 
>> position, low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco 
>> bars 
>> are most ideal. 
>>
>> For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell 
>> bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my 
>> Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. 
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost 
>>> exclusively solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. 
>>> Leah 
>>> has ridden both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has 
>>> credibility to me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better 
>>> which is obviously the most subjective take one can make between two 
>>> bicycles. Me and ole Clem just mosey down the road and whatever speed 
>>> is 
>>> comfortable and have a jolly ole time doing it.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Johnny, 

 Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar 
 builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the 
 equation. 
 The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed 
 pavement-oriented 
 bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right 
 that 
 head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a 
 group, 
 and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference 
 between 
 keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon 
 dropbar 
 bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her 
 experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's 
 just 
 an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. 

 Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is 
> not really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you 
> don't 
> have it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides 
> I 
> would lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, 
> even 
> lighter wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that 
> can be 
> pretty light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes 
> because 
> they focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do 
> you 
> have lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Leah Peterson]

Well, I for one, am glad to hear it. Waiting for the next round of Platypuses is probably going to take too long, and it’s still riding season NOW. So, I’m thrilled for you and I hope you will post photos and give us your thorough review!LeahOn Aug 10, 2023, at 9:52 AM, Justin Kennedy  wrote:Ended up ordering that 60cm Platy from C&L. Will keep you posted with the build etc. Selling my Clem to a friend. Cheers everyone. On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:23:53 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:Love those green Cheviuts, something about the blue accents really works.Justin, best of luck with your search!jaredOn Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:That Cheviot is HOT! That bike had one of the best headbadges.On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:As far as club rides are concerned for and with the Clem, I would say yes, if most everyone in the group is moving at a slow pace. Kim Hetzel. On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:@Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding riding my Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I am going. 
I enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike.
I do not know how much it weighs.

However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly the most comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright riding position, low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco bars are most ideal. For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost exclusively solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. Leah has ridden both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has credibility to me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better which is obviously the most subjective take one can make between two bicycles. Me and ole Clem just mosey down the road and whatever speed is comfortable and have a jolly ole time doing it.DougOn Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:Johnny, Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the equation. The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a group, and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference between keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon dropbar bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's just an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! Joe Bernard On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't have it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I would lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even lighter wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be pretty light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because they focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you have lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. And at the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG wheelbase thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all of to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is not a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is the beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference but there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend to put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter and they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it could be many things.I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good wheelset and I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road focused Gallop more than anything else. But the geometry difference between the Platy and Clem is not that extreme. It was built to be lugless and affordable not necessarily more robust (although I am sure to a degree it is). I would be shocked if there was any major weight difference between the two frames when stripped down.On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:02 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I can be shocking! But I had

Re: [RBW] Tire Recommendations

[Johnny Alien]

I am partial to gravelkings as well. They ride really well, seem to be 
fairly strong yet remain light, and look great doing all of that.

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 10:23:12 AM UTC-4 frank.b...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> While most of my bikes are currently running Rene Herse tires which I am 
> happy with and have yet to flat, I fully endorse Schwalbe marathons. 
>
> Fixing flats is one of my least favorite activities and I have accepted 
> the fact that I happily pay more for a tire that is puncture resistant. 
>
> I ride mostly in urban areas (city center, streets, some trails) and never 
> had a flat over the several thousand miles I put on them. 
>
> Caveats: always check your pressure and watch what you ride over. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:46:17 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> Matthew, a couple of months ago I got a set of Schwalbe Marathon 
>> Efficiency  
>> tires 
>> for my Hunq. It's a new line, with new-fangled compounds, etc. The 55mm 
>> (ETRTO 55-622) fit great on my Hunq with fenders, with room to spare. I've 
>> really enjoyed them. 
>>
>> They're smooth on the road, robust, comfortable, and very reassuring. My 
>> riding skews consistently to the type of riding you described. I'm mostly 
>> on pavement, but these Efficiency tires have also been great on the sort of 
>> non-extreme gravel and dirt paths I ride on, at the decidedly "medium" tire 
>> pressure I run. 
>>
>> They come in black wall and "transparent skin" — a very nice tan. I got 
>> tan for the one bike and I'm going to get a set of black for another. I 
>> recommend them. They're not as light as the G-One Overlands (but just as 
>> expensive!). I like them more than the other fancy tires I've ridden over 
>> the past couple of years.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Irving  wrote:
>>
>> I went through a similar exercise looking for tires to fit under SKS P65 
>> fenders on my Rivendell Hunqapillar. I ended up with Maxxis Torch 29x2.1's 
>> but they didn't offer me enough fender clearance. They felt like a high 
>> quality tire though from my initial rides around the city to test 
>> clearance. I ended up replacing them with Schwalbe Marathon Almotion's 
>> (VGuard's)  and 
>> those measure closer to 700x48 and feel slightly more durable but less 
>> grippy. Note they have a reflective sidewall, so that may disqualify them 
>> from your "no gumwalls or stripes!" disclaimer.
>>
>> Maybe the Vittoria Terreno Dry (comes in 700x50) 
>>  or the G-One 
>> Superground 
>> as other 
>> alternatives. The G-One overland seems fine if you're riding more dirt than 
>> pavement. I would recommend against the Hurricane just because it's a wire 
>> bead tire, which are generally less fun to ride in my opinion.
>>
>>
>> -Irving
>> SF, CA
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:04:16 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, 
>>>
>>> I need a new set of durable-ish, puncture-resistant tires.
>>>
>>> Type of ride: Mostly long-distance rides on asphalt and concrete, and 
>>> the occasional gravel or dirt path. 
>>>
>>> Size: 700 x 50
>>>
>>> Dealbreakers: I use tubes, and all-black sidewalls. No gumwalls or 
>>> stripes!
>>>
>>> I’m curretly looking at these two Schwalbe options:
>>>
>>> G-One Overland:
>>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Schwalbe-G-One-Overland-11654399
>>>
>>> Hurricane:
>>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Hurricane-11159185
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with either of these tires? Are these good 
>>> options? Or, can you make a recommendation for another tire that would work 
>>> for me?
>>>
>>> As always, your experience, wisdom, and advice are welcomed and 
>>> appreciated.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Tire Recommendations

[Frank Burkybile]

While most of my bikes are currently running Rene Herse tires which I am 
happy with and have yet to flat, I fully endorse Schwalbe marathons. 

Fixing flats is one of my least favorite activities and I have accepted the 
fact that I happily pay more for a tire that is puncture resistant. 

I ride mostly in urban areas (city center, streets, some trails) and never 
had a flat over the several thousand miles I put on them. 

Caveats: always check your pressure and watch what you ride over. 

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:46:17 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Matthew, a couple of months ago I got a set of Schwalbe Marathon 
> Efficiency  tires 
> for my Hunq. It's a new line, with new-fangled compounds, etc. The 55mm 
> (ETRTO 55-622) fit great on my Hunq with fenders, with room to spare. I've 
> really enjoyed them. 
>
> They're smooth on the road, robust, comfortable, and very reassuring. My 
> riding skews consistently to the type of riding you described. I'm mostly 
> on pavement, but these Efficiency tires have also been great on the sort of 
> non-extreme gravel and dirt paths I ride on, at the decidedly "medium" tire 
> pressure I run. 
>
> They come in black wall and "transparent skin" — a very nice tan. I got 
> tan for the one bike and I'm going to get a set of black for another. I 
> recommend them. They're not as light as the G-One Overlands (but just as 
> expensive!). I like them more than the other fancy tires I've ridden over 
> the past couple of years.
>
> Jim
>
> On Aug 9, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Irving  wrote:
>
> I went through a similar exercise looking for tires to fit under SKS P65 
> fenders on my Rivendell Hunqapillar. I ended up with Maxxis Torch 29x2.1's 
> but they didn't offer me enough fender clearance. They felt like a high 
> quality tire though from my initial rides around the city to test 
> clearance. I ended up replacing them with Schwalbe Marathon Almotion's 
> (VGuard's)  and 
> those measure closer to 700x48 and feel slightly more durable but less 
> grippy. Note they have a reflective sidewall, so that may disqualify them 
> from your "no gumwalls or stripes!" disclaimer.
>
> Maybe the Vittoria Terreno Dry (comes in 700x50) 
>  or the G-One 
> Superground as 
> other alternatives. The G-One overland seems fine if you're riding more 
> dirt than pavement. I would recommend against the Hurricane just because 
> it's a wire bead tire, which are generally less fun to ride in my opinion.
>
>
> -Irving
> SF, CA
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:04:16 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, 
>>
>> I need a new set of durable-ish, puncture-resistant tires.
>>
>> Type of ride: Mostly long-distance rides on asphalt and concrete, and the 
>> occasional gravel or dirt path. 
>>
>> Size: 700 x 50
>>
>> Dealbreakers: I use tubes, and all-black sidewalls. No gumwalls or 
>> stripes!
>>
>> I’m curretly looking at these two Schwalbe options:
>>
>> G-One Overland:
>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Schwalbe-G-One-Overland-11654399
>>
>> Hurricane:
>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Hurricane-11159185
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with either of these tires? Are these good 
>> options? Or, can you make a recommendation for another tire that would work 
>> for me?
>>
>> As always, your experience, wisdom, and advice are welcomed and 
>> appreciated.
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Ride PDX

[John A. Bennett]

Have fun on the bridges! See you after! 

John 

https://www.instagram.com/rivelo_pdx/

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:11:24 PM UTC-7 velomann wrote:

> I'll be riding Bridge Pedal before heading over to the Rivelo Reunion 
> event. I strongly encourage anyone else interested in Bridge Pedal to sign 
> up for the Fremont Express option. It's the only chance cyclists have 
> during the year to experience the sunrise from the top deck of the Fremont 
> Bridge. Plus donuts, coffee, and live music to start you off.
>
> Mike M
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:14:23 AM UTC-7 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Not only is this gathering of Rivendell riders happening on Sunday in 
>> Portland Oregon, but you can also ride in the Providence Bridge Pedal & 
>> Stride. Start your Sunday morning riding with thousands of cyclists across 
>> 7 bridges including a thrilling ride through downtown Portland on 1-405, 
>> all on car-free bridges and streets. It's a celebration of bicycling, 
>> Portland and the Willamette River bridges.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Ride PDX

[John A. Bennett]

Have fun on the bridges! See you after! 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CvvjqIRve7G/ 
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:11:24 PM UTC-7 velomann wrote:

> I'll be riding Bridge Pedal before heading over to the Rivelo Reunion 
> event. I strongly encourage anyone else interested in Bridge Pedal to sign 
> up for the Fremont Express option. It's the only chance cyclists have 
> during the year to experience the sunrise from the top deck of the Fremont 
> Bridge. Plus donuts, coffee, and live music to start you off.
>
> Mike M
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:14:23 AM UTC-7 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Not only is this gathering of Rivendell riders happening on Sunday in 
>> Portland Oregon, but you can also ride in the Providence Bridge Pedal & 
>> Stride. Start your Sunday morning riding with thousands of cyclists across 
>> 7 bridges including a thrilling ride through downtown Portland on 1-405, 
>> all on car-free bridges and streets. It's a celebration of bicycling, 
>> Portland and the Willamette River bridges.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Justin Kennedy]

Ended up ordering that 60cm Platy from C&L. Will keep you posted with the 
build etc. Selling my Clem to a friend. Cheers everyone. 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:23:53 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:

> Love those green Cheviuts, something about the blue accents really works.
>
> Justin, best of luck with your search!
>
> jared
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: 12817569245_6446d68d56_b.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> That Cheviot is HOT! That bike had one of the best headbadges.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 As far as club rides are concerned for and with the Clem, I would say 
 yes, if most everyone in the group is moving at a slow pace. 

 Kim Hetzel. 

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> @Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding riding 
> my Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I am 
> going. 
> I enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike. I do not know how much it 
> weighs. However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly 
> the most comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright 
> riding 
> position, low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco bars 
> are most ideal. 
>
> For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell 
> bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my 
> Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. 
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost 
>> exclusively solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. 
>> Leah 
>> has ridden both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has 
>> credibility to me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better 
>> which is obviously the most subjective take one can make between two 
>> bicycles. Me and ole Clem just mosey down the road and whatever speed is 
>> comfortable and have a jolly ole time doing it.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny, 
>>>
>>> Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar 
>>> builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the 
>>> equation. 
>>> The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented 
>>> bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that 
>>> head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a 
>>> group, 
>>> and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference 
>>> between 
>>> keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon 
>>> dropbar 
>>> bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her 
>>> experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's 
>>> just 
>>> an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not 
 really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't 
 have 
 it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I 
 would 
 lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even 
 lighter 
 wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be 
 pretty 
 light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because 
 they 
 focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you 
 have 
 lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. 
 And at 
 the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG 
 wheelbase 
 thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical 
 because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all 
 of 
 to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is 
 not 
 a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is 
 the 
 beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference 
 but 
 there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend 
 to 
 put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter 
 and 
 they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it 
 coul

[RBW] Re: FS: Albastache, Cranksets, Blue Lug Power Stem, Silver Shifters, Brake Levers

[Johnny Alien]

Only the cranks are left. They are pretty much brand new and are typical 
Sugino quality (meaning beautiful). Only $60 shipped. Will make a great 
double or just as perfect for a 1x. I also have a chainguard from a clipper 
that's brand new. If you want to run a 40t or lower 1x and want a guard on 
the outside I will include it for free. I never use guards. Either way $60 
for the crank arms.

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:03:46 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think I might just hang on to the albastache bars. I still have these 
> items that need to go. I dropped the price on the crankset. Like new.
>
>1. Sugino XD2 Double Crank Arms - Excellent to almost mint shape. Has 
>no rings but does have the new sugino bolts to put them on. 170mm length. 
>*$60*
>
>
>1. Tektro RL 520 Long Pull Brake Levers - Brand new but no box 
>included. Road levers for V brakes. Super nice and great looking.* $25*
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:07:42 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Silver shifters are gone as well.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And now that Grand Cru cranks are sold.
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:53:37 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 The grand cru cranks are $100. Sorry about the error. Thanks Eric for 
 pointing this out!

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:38:49 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I have the following items for sale. All prices include shipping:
>
>
>1. Albastache handlebars. Brand new (never used/mounted) - *$100*
>2. Blue Lug Power Stem - Brand new (never used/mounted).Dull brite 
>silver color. 80mm extension 25.4 clamp - *$80*
>3. Silver downtube shifter - One side is used in great shape and 
>the other is brand new. Both have brand new black plastic spacers (the 
> good 
>ones) and hardware. *$40*
>4. Sugino XD2 Double Crank Arms - Excellent to almost mint shape. 
>Has no rings but does have the new sugino bolts to put them on. 170mm 
>length. *$70*
>5. Grand Cru 50.4 BCD Crankset - Used but very nice. Some wear 
>marks here and there but overall very nice! 46/30 rings. Thats all VO 
>carries but TA chainrings work on this as well with tons of options. 
> As 
>beautiful as cranks can get. 165mm length. *$10*
>6. Tektro RL 520 Long Pull Brake Levers - Brand new but no box 
>included. Road levers for V brakes. Super nice and great looking.* 
>$25*
>
>

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