[RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Matt]

I just pushed my saddle height to 73 and was pretty comfortable, so the 60 
might be within reach according to Will. I've spent so long on recumbents 
and Bromptons that I haven't really needed to know the optimum height. 

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:58:38 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Tall guy! 
>
> If you’re in NJ or eastern PA, Delaware area you’re welcome to try my 
> bike. At that height, you might be able to do a 60. It is pretty big 
> though. I’m 5’7”. Maybe my pbh is 82?  It’s one of those two numbers.  I’ll 
> post pics and measurements when I can get to my bike.  
>
> Roberta. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 7:37:24 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Roberta. This experiential data is very useful. I'm 5'11 with 
>> long-ish arms and torso, but a 60cm does look a little too large. I can 
>> ride a saddle height of 73cm, but I'm just as happy at 72cm, so the 55cm 
>> seems to be more versatile.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:56:21 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome. 
>>>
>>> I use the heel to pedal method also for saddle height, and modify as 
>>> needed.
>>>
>>> My PBH is also 83 and I ride a 55 Platypus, which is perfect. Years ago 
>>> I test rode a 60 Cheviot and it was way too big. I think 55 is your size. 
>>>
>>> Roberta, Philadelphia
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>>>
 Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today about 
 a Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self measured - 
 pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently riding an 
 ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so I'm not sure 
 the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a real 
 bicycle. 
 Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 

 btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next stock. 

 Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Riv Rider Recipes

[Coco Menk]

Hey Pam!

That granola bar sounds awesome - do you bake them or just form them into a
"powerball" type snack? What kinds of bread do you make? Do you use a
breadmaker?

Your comment about recipe compatibility is also a topic of the beginning of
this thread! Since so many people are aligning themselves with different
diets these days, I was curious how many in the group had read Grant's
book, *Eat Bacon, Don't Jog *and was curious how many people either aligned
themselves with his ideals or have since/have always aligned with a
different nutritional path. Since bike people are often health conscious
and environmentally conscious, I figured there was probably an interesting
spread across those of us who contribute to the group!

I don't think it's particularly helpful to try to make recipes that
absolutely everyone can eat. It can be at a dinner party, but I'm more
interested in people's tried and true recipes to learn more about each
other and to be able to share a variety of ideas on health and enthusiasm
for food. If you're interested in cuisine, I think that it can be easy to
appreciate and respect someone else's love for cooking even if it is
following the restrictions (or lack thereof) of someone else's theories.

I also stated in the beginning that this is not a space to sh** on other's
beliefs, but a space to compare and share! It seems like we have quite a
trove of foodies and it would be fun to compile the recipes into a
collection that we all have access to! :)



On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 4:32 PM Pam Bikes  wrote:

> I'm afraid there are too many limitations and individual differences that
> make recipes difficult.  Some people are vegan, vegetarian, keto, diabetic,
> gluten free, soy free, shellfish allergies, etc.
>
> I eat locally, seasonally, bake my own bread and make everything from
> scratch but I'm not a calorie counter and have no restrictions.  And
> everyone's local produce selection is different.  Not to mention the
> organic or not.
>
> I do make a granola bar with just oats, peanut butter, honey then top
> w/chocolate chips, coconut, nuts etc.  that is high density in calories and
> easy for a road snack.  I just take snacks like nuts, crackers, etc in my
> bag in case I get hungry.
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:18:29 PM UTC-4 coco...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Patrick - great links! Definitely some great ideas in there. I've also
>> been reading a lot about Traditional Chinese Medicine and some of the more
>> surface level ideas they have surrounding food and its properties in
>> relation to one's physical constitution. There's a lot I don't understand,
>> and a lot of traditional herbal knowledge that is still beyond me, but it's
>> been interesting to try to incorporate some of the food ideas into my diet
>> and see some of the results. Because different food and herbs and spices
>> interact with our internal balance then you have to mediate any imbalances
>> by incorporating more of certain things and less of others to try to get
>> back to a sort of equilibrium.
>>
>> These ideas are how I got a lot of inspiration to remove gluten, sugars
>> and dairy, more so than Grant's book, although that was still pretty
>> informative.The health complaints I was having have resolved themselves
>> almost completely with the removal of a lot of these foods and it's been
>> really interesting to explore non-Western ideas of nutrition and health.
>>
>> Anyone do yoga or incorporate any of those ideas? Was just doing some
>> reading on the Ayurveda concept of "Digestive Fire" which seems to have a
>> decent amount of overlap with TCM gut-health ideology.
>>
>> Exliontamer - Noodles are a hard one to cut out - I so feel you! I try to
>> save noodles for special occasions now and really relish them. What kind of
>> vinaigrette do you make for your Cobb Salad?
>>
>> My own favorite recipe lately has been my new breakfast oatmeal, which
>> incorporates spices recommended to me by various TCM-inspired resources:
>>
>> Turmeric Oats:
>>
>> 1/2c dried oats (will work with quick or rolled, just adjust cook time)
>> ~1/3c frozen berries (my favorite is blueberries)
>> 1 tsp cinnamon
>> 1/4 tsp turmeric
>> 1 Tbsp chia seeds
>> 1/4 tsp salt
>> 1 Tbsp honey
>> 1-2 Tbsp full fat coconut milk, or dehydrated coconut milk powder
>> 1 c. water
>>
>> Combine all dry ingredients (minus salt) into a bowl. In a covered
>> saucepan, heat water & coconut milk over medium-heat until you reach a low
>> boil. Add all dry ingredients and stir. Cover, lowering heat to medium-low,
>> and let cook for 5 min (if using quick oats) or 10 (if using rolled).
>> Uncover and remove from heat. Add salt and honey and serve fresh! Works for
>> overnight oats as well but isn't as good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 7:55 AM exliontamer  wrote:
>>
>>> I read Eat Bacon and lost a bit of weight. I'm already relatively in
>>> shape for my age but have continued to use keto-ish methods when I want to
>>> lose a bit. As a 

Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[R. Alexis]

Wish it was a different weekend. Would give me an excuse to get back to the 
Chi and bring the Rivendell Mountain with.  Look forward to seeing pics and 
posts.

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 1:49:36 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Just a reminder to mark your calendars for the Chicago Riv Ride on Aug 
> 26th! We’ll start at Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Riv dealer, at 
> 1030 and hit the Lakefront Trail from there. We’ll get lunch on the trail, 
> admire each other’s bikes and make new friends. 
>
> See you then.
> Leah and Marc
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:13:34 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m grateful for all the suggestions and may have questions for some of 
>> you later. Marc is out of town and I’ll chat with him when he gets back and 
>> we’ll finalize the plan…which may include winging it and deciding on the 
>> route at the shop!
>>
>> At any rate, sounds like we are going to get to meet a lot of new people 
>> and see their bikes and for that, I’m thrilled.
>>
>> Thanks for being so fun!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Jason  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Hash, glad you think the route is good -- and that's a solid point 
>> on Sheridan. My map was a bit of a quick sketch to show a concept of 
>> potential destinations, but I just made a couple updates/improvements based 
>> on a ride I took up to Baha'i and down the Lakefront Trail in June. 
>> Connecting to the LFT from Evanston now shows much less of Sheridan and 
>> much more residential neighborhood before hitting Ardmore and the lake. 
>> That said, I'm certain there are other ways to improve the connections. 
>> Whatever direction the Chicago Riv Ride takes, I think it would probably be 
>> worth getting advice from the folks at Mack's.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-5 Hash wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jason, route looks great and I've wanted to see the Bahai house for 
>>> a minute. Not sure of any alternatives, but throwing it out there that ride 
>>> down Sheridan is pretty brutal with cars and lack of bike lanes.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-5 Jason wrote:
>>>
 Looks like great fun. I hope to attend. Thanks for organizing this, 
 Leah and Marc! 

 If we are considering other route options, as others are suggesting 
 perhaps the North Branch Tail could be combined with the Lake Front Trail. 
 I sketched a quick route from Mack's south on the LFT to the North Avenue 
 Beach, then back north on the LFT until cutting west to Half Acre Beer 
 Co ., which has food, beer, and 
 an outdoor patio. From there, the ride could connect back to Mack's via 
 the 
 North Branch Trail, but before stopping, see the nearby Baháʼí House 
 of Worship 
 .
  
 Here's a map of that concept 
 .


 Jason
 Oak Park, IL
 On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:04:52 AM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I don't disagree with anything anyone has said about Navy Pier or the 
> LFT. Once you hit North Ave it's pretty busy and becomes a different kind 
> of ride, you're either slowing or dodging. But the location of Navy Pier 
> makes sense given the mileage goal. And it's more or less a food court, 
> so 
> from an organizer's perspective it's an easy place for a group to eat 
> lunch. (Since I've had kids my views on Navy Pier have softened.) 
> Depending 
> on start time, pace, and number of riders, it might be worthwhile to 
> consider holding off on lunch until after the midpoint. I don't typically 
> ride  the LFT on weekends, at least not north of the museums, but I'd be 
> happy to do it for a Riv ride. Looping around to the Channel Trail is a 
> good idea, it's far less crowded. Also happy to do Bike the Drive with 
> some 
> fellow Riv riders - it's Sunday, September 3, though my son and I will be 
> riding at a 9 year-old's pace.
>
> Cody
> Chicago   
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:21 AM Marc Irwin  wrote:
>
>> We don't plan to go as far as McCormick Place.  We're open to 
>> suggestions for lunch, I picked Navy Pier as a convenient turnaround 
>> point 
>> for a 35 mile ride from Mack's.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:37:55 AM UTC-4 
>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sort of in.  There are sections of the Lakefront trail that are 
>>> great.  I'd recommend avoiding North Avenue to McCormick Place on a 
>>> Saturday in August.  Also, Navy Pier has little redeeming cultural 
>>> value 
>>> and the LFT is a disaster around there despite tens of millions of 
>>> dollars 
>>> spent.
>>>

[RBW] Re: Broken shifters

[Pam Bikes]

I took one apart.  It's missing the little spring.  Not sure where I can 
find one.  If anyone has one, I'd like to try to fix this one.  The other 
one I can't get apart to look at the innards but I think it was missing a 
washer so maybe that was the problem.  I think maybe it needed more 
friction to hold it together maybe?  I've already replaced it so I'll try 
it next time.  
On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 7:37:06 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I just want to fix them if possible.  I hate throwing stuff away.  These 
> are definitely not set up errors as they were operable then after several 
> falls over the years they broke.  They would work for years then break.  I 
> can replace them and have but now I have several broken ones.  I will take 
> one apart and see what it looks like.  I didn't want to do more damage than 
> already.  I will find someone to help me.  Thanks all!
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:20:54 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The OP has repeated that they are not mechanical.  The thing that isn't 
>> clear to me is whether the OP wants to be mechanical.  If you have a bunch 
>> of broken shifters, and want to learn how mechanical people visualize a 
>> mechanism working and how they use that knowledge to diagnose and remedy 
>> failures, then it sounds like the OP needs a mechanical mentor.  You should 
>> find somebody who you trust and who is generous with their time and want to 
>> describe their process to you.  Have them take one apart with you 
>> watching.  Have them explain what they are seeing and what they think they 
>> want to do to fix your shifter(s), or tell you they are all hosed and throw 
>> them away.  It's hard to be a mentor over a google group.  Mentorship 
>> happens in-person.  
>>
>> If you can't find or don't want to find a mentor, maybe you want somebody 
>> to just try to fix them for you so you don't have to think about it?  
>> Again, that person should be somebody you trust, so if they say "these are 
>> hosed" you won't feel like it's a waste throwing them out.  Again, it would 
>> be nice if it was somebody who was either generous or owed you a favor so 
>> that if they succeed, it's free, and if they fail, it's still free.  People 
>> who work on things for a living are usually $50/hr to $100/hr pros and 
>> there's no way this project will be worth paying a pro what they deserve to 
>> be paid.  Maybe there's a volunteer here who you'd mail your shifters to, 
>> and they can mail them back fixed.  
>>
>> I don't know this for certain, but I think there's a non-zero chance that 
>> they are not even broken.  The symptom described could be just a setup 
>> issue, as I understand it.  The mechanic who does the diagnosis would be 
>> able to be conclusive on that.  
>>
>> If you do decide your shifters are hosed, I recommend you upcycle them 
>> into key chains.  Shift levers make great keychains.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:00:15 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks all for your comments.  I think it's the press fit thing that 
>>> holds it together but I haven't gone beyond that.  I'll take one apart and 
>>> see.  I'm not mechanical so who would be able to put a screw in there for 
>>> me?  I just need to know what to ask for.  I can see the press fit thing 
>>> coming apart.  But maybe the spring is the problem.  I have several so I'll 
>>> sacrifice one.  I'd like to be able to repair them.  Thanks again!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:31:45 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Take a look at page 61 of the 2006 Rivendell catalog 
 
  - 
 I imagine that spring can give up? If that's the problem, maybe there a 
 way 
 to buy a spare from Grainger or something like that?
 Max
 [image: shifter.jpg]

 On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 4:26:45 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> So I watched the video ... too bad they didn't show then removing the 
> cover. If wd-40 doesn't work I'd still remove the cover and inspect the 
> innards. This isn't a jet engine !  The cover may press back in or take a 
> little finagling. The head of the rivet may need sheered off, I can't say 
> for sure what it is as the Suntours I have screws. TMI here but . If 
> you're handy with a drill you could use a drill and drill a small hole in 
> the center of the riven and tap it for a small screw. You'd have to go to 
> hardware store to find one. That may seem like a lot of work for a 
> shifter, 
> maybe not, it depends on how much one likes to monkey around  
> heeheeehee. Gitarzan baby !  If anyone catches what that word refers to 
> word, you get a cookie ! 
>
> I also note that in the video they show the lever being tightened, and 
> tightened again, like really tight. I've never tightened any of these 
> levers 

[RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Roberta]

Tall guy! 

If you’re in NJ or eastern PA, Delaware area you’re welcome to try my bike. 
At that height, you might be able to do a 60. It is pretty big though. I’m 
5’7”. Maybe my pbh is 82?  It’s one of those two numbers.  I’ll post pics 
and measurements when I can get to my bike.  

Roberta. 

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 7:37:24 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:

> Thanks, Roberta. This experiential data is very useful. I'm 5'11 with 
> long-ish arms and torso, but a 60cm does look a little too large. I can 
> ride a saddle height of 73cm, but I'm just as happy at 72cm, so the 55cm 
> seems to be more versatile.
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:56:21 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Welcome. 
>>
>> I use the heel to pedal method also for saddle height, and modify as 
>> needed.
>>
>> My PBH is also 83 and I ride a 55 Platypus, which is perfect. Years ago I 
>> test rode a 60 Cheviot and it was way too big. I think 55 is your size. 
>>
>> Roberta, Philadelphia
>>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>>
>>> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today about a 
>>> Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self measured - 
>>> pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently riding an 
>>> ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so I'm not sure 
>>> the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a real bicycle. 
>>> Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>>>
>>> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next stock. 
>>>
>>> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Matt]

Thanks, Roberta. This experiential data is very useful. I'm 5'11 with 
long-ish arms and torso, but a 60cm does look a little too large. I can 
ride a saddle height of 73cm, but I'm just as happy at 72cm, so the 55cm 
seems to be more versatile.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:56:21 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Welcome. 
>
> I use the heel to pedal method also for saddle height, and modify as 
> needed.
>
> My PBH is also 83 and I ride a 55 Platypus, which is perfect. Years ago I 
> test rode a 60 Cheviot and it was way too big. I think 55 is your size. 
>
> Roberta, Philadelphia
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>
>> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today about a 
>> Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self measured - 
>> pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently riding an 
>> ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so I'm not sure 
>> the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a real bicycle. 
>> Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>>
>> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next stock. 
>>
>> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Broken shifters

[Pam Bikes]

I just want to fix them if possible.  I hate throwing stuff away.  These 
are definitely not set up errors as they were operable then after several 
falls over the years they broke.  They would work for years then break.  I 
can replace them and have but now I have several broken ones.  I will take 
one apart and see what it looks like.  I didn't want to do more damage than 
already.  I will find someone to help me.  Thanks all!
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:20:54 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The OP has repeated that they are not mechanical.  The thing that isn't 
> clear to me is whether the OP wants to be mechanical.  If you have a bunch 
> of broken shifters, and want to learn how mechanical people visualize a 
> mechanism working and how they use that knowledge to diagnose and remedy 
> failures, then it sounds like the OP needs a mechanical mentor.  You should 
> find somebody who you trust and who is generous with their time and want to 
> describe their process to you.  Have them take one apart with you 
> watching.  Have them explain what they are seeing and what they think they 
> want to do to fix your shifter(s), or tell you they are all hosed and throw 
> them away.  It's hard to be a mentor over a google group.  Mentorship 
> happens in-person.  
>
> If you can't find or don't want to find a mentor, maybe you want somebody 
> to just try to fix them for you so you don't have to think about it?  
> Again, that person should be somebody you trust, so if they say "these are 
> hosed" you won't feel like it's a waste throwing them out.  Again, it would 
> be nice if it was somebody who was either generous or owed you a favor so 
> that if they succeed, it's free, and if they fail, it's still free.  People 
> who work on things for a living are usually $50/hr to $100/hr pros and 
> there's no way this project will be worth paying a pro what they deserve to 
> be paid.  Maybe there's a volunteer here who you'd mail your shifters to, 
> and they can mail them back fixed.  
>
> I don't know this for certain, but I think there's a non-zero chance that 
> they are not even broken.  The symptom described could be just a setup 
> issue, as I understand it.  The mechanic who does the diagnosis would be 
> able to be conclusive on that.  
>
> If you do decide your shifters are hosed, I recommend you upcycle them 
> into key chains.  Shift levers make great keychains.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:00:15 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Thanks all for your comments.  I think it's the press fit thing that 
>> holds it together but I haven't gone beyond that.  I'll take one apart and 
>> see.  I'm not mechanical so who would be able to put a screw in there for 
>> me?  I just need to know what to ask for.  I can see the press fit thing 
>> coming apart.  But maybe the spring is the problem.  I have several so I'll 
>> sacrifice one.  I'd like to be able to repair them.  Thanks again!
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:31:45 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Take a look at page 61 of the 2006 Rivendell catalog 
>>> 
>>>  - 
>>> I imagine that spring can give up? If that's the problem, maybe there a way 
>>> to buy a spare from Grainger or something like that?
>>> Max
>>> [image: shifter.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 4:26:45 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>
 So I watched the video ... too bad they didn't show then removing the 
 cover. If wd-40 doesn't work I'd still remove the cover and inspect the 
 innards. This isn't a jet engine !  The cover may press back in or take a 
 little finagling. The head of the rivet may need sheered off, I can't say 
 for sure what it is as the Suntours I have screws. TMI here but . If 
 you're handy with a drill you could use a drill and drill a small hole in 
 the center of the riven and tap it for a small screw. You'd have to go to 
 hardware store to find one. That may seem like a lot of work for a 
 shifter, 
 maybe not, it depends on how much one likes to monkey around  
 heeheeehee. Gitarzan baby !  If anyone catches what that word refers to 
 word, you get a cookie ! 

 I also note that in the video they show the lever being tightened, and 
 tightened again, like really tight. I've never tightened any of these 
 levers like that since my first pair in 1983, which I still have and are 
 working. I only tighten them enough to hold the shift, no more.. If it 
 doesn't hold the shift, I don't tighten it more from where it is, I loosen 
 it completely and then tighten it just a bit more than before. It's all by 
 feel, with finesse. 




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Re: [RBW] Riv Rider Recipes

[Pam Bikes]

I'm afraid there are too many limitations and individual differences that 
make recipes difficult.  Some people are vegan, vegetarian, keto, diabetic, 
gluten free, soy free, shellfish allergies, etc.  

I eat locally, seasonally, bake my own bread and make everything from 
scratch but I'm not a calorie counter and have no restrictions.  And 
everyone's local produce selection is different.  Not to mention the 
organic or not.  

I do make a granola bar with just oats, peanut butter, honey then top 
w/chocolate chips, coconut, nuts etc.  that is high density in calories and 
easy for a road snack.  I just take snacks like nuts, crackers, etc in my 
bag in case I get hungry.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:18:29 PM UTC-4 coco...@gmail.com wrote:

> Patrick - great links! Definitely some great ideas in there. I've also 
> been reading a lot about Traditional Chinese Medicine and some of the more 
> surface level ideas they have surrounding food and its properties in 
> relation to one's physical constitution. There's a lot I don't understand, 
> and a lot of traditional herbal knowledge that is still beyond me, but it's 
> been interesting to try to incorporate some of the food ideas into my diet 
> and see some of the results. Because different food and herbs and spices 
> interact with our internal balance then you have to mediate any imbalances 
> by incorporating more of certain things and less of others to try to get 
> back to a sort of equilibrium. 
>
> These ideas are how I got a lot of inspiration to remove gluten, sugars 
> and dairy, more so than Grant's book, although that was still pretty 
> informative.The health complaints I was having have resolved themselves 
> almost completely with the removal of a lot of these foods and it's been 
> really interesting to explore non-Western ideas of nutrition and health.
>
> Anyone do yoga or incorporate any of those ideas? Was just doing some 
> reading on the Ayurveda concept of "Digestive Fire" which seems to have a 
> decent amount of overlap with TCM gut-health ideology. 
>
> Exliontamer - Noodles are a hard one to cut out - I so feel you! I try to 
> save noodles for special occasions now and really relish them. What kind of 
> vinaigrette do you make for your Cobb Salad?
>
> My own favorite recipe lately has been my new breakfast oatmeal, which 
> incorporates spices recommended to me by various TCM-inspired resources:
>
> Turmeric Oats:
>
> 1/2c dried oats (will work with quick or rolled, just adjust cook time)
> ~1/3c frozen berries (my favorite is blueberries)
> 1 tsp cinnamon
> 1/4 tsp turmeric
> 1 Tbsp chia seeds
> 1/4 tsp salt
> 1 Tbsp honey
> 1-2 Tbsp full fat coconut milk, or dehydrated coconut milk powder
> 1 c. water
>
> Combine all dry ingredients (minus salt) into a bowl. In a covered 
> saucepan, heat water & coconut milk over medium-heat until you reach a low 
> boil. Add all dry ingredients and stir. Cover, lowering heat to medium-low, 
> and let cook for 5 min (if using quick oats) or 10 (if using rolled). 
> Uncover and remove from heat. Add salt and honey and serve fresh! Works for 
> overnight oats as well but isn't as good.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 7:55 AM exliontamer  wrote:
>
>> I read Eat Bacon and lost a bit of weight. I'm already relatively in 
>> shape for my age but have continued to use keto-ish methods when I want to 
>> lose a bit. As a lifelong diet/lifestyle thing, I'm skeptical, & I flat out 
>> don't see it working for vegetarians in a good way. If you already like 
>> meat, leafy greens, fatty things, etc. I think it's a great way to shed 
>> excess weight periodically. I've had friends with weight issues have 
>> borderline miraculous results that were life changing.
>>
>> I just like food (especially noodles) too much to be dogmatic about 
>> diets. That said, one of my go to things that works on keto is a trad Cobb 
>> Salad. No alterations (aside from watercress/chicory which are next to 
>> impossible to find) and no store bought or creamy dressings. Just make your 
>> own vinaigrette. In the opposite realm I've been obsessed with Assassin's 
>> Spaghetti lately. You need a big pan but it's fun to make.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:02:46 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I expect that the modern biomedical sciences simply don't have the right 
>>> epistemological or conceptual apparatus (having in mind the scientific 
>>> parable of the fishing net: "what my net doesn't catch isn't fish") to 
>>> capture everything that constitutes true nutrition. I know that in 
>>> traditional Chinese cooking the attitude toward food and care with which it 
>>> is prepared is said to affect the effect of the food on the eater. I think 
>>> this involves the *chi* which I know does not belong to any physical 
>>> category (it's not "spiritual" but relates to the level of "vital force," 
>>> not reducing this to physical categories either). And other writers say 
>>> that it is the organic 

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Johnny Alien]

Wow! When did the Sam move to 26.8?

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:38:44 PM UTC-4 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:

> Universal Cyclist has had 26.8s in silver on sale for $114 for quite some 
> time. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:28:33 PM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:
>
>> My Sam Hillborne took a 26.8 seat post.
>> Max
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:52:43 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> I can tell you that the Hunqapillar and Cheviot (both lugged models) use 
>>> 26.8, at least in the batches represented in my household. 
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 2:19 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the lugged bikes (like the Sam) use 27.2 and the tigged stuff 
>>> has is 26.8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
 So, 26.8 is what you want for a Sam? 

 Thanks,
 Scott

 On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:56:09 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:

> After years of ownership and the dreaded slip of the Riv issued post, 
> I put a thin coat of grease on top of the post, then sprinkled a fine 
> sand 
> over it. When I clamped the saddle on, I heard a most satisfying crunch, 
> crunch, crunch from all the little contact points. This was after I used 
> a 
> smallish file to mimic what Garth mentioned as bead blasted at all 
> applicable areas, which was moderately helpful at best. I agree that the 
> slick surface was not going to hold so I took matters into my own hands. 
> Fingers crossed but feeling confident. Attached are pics for 
> comparison. 
> 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Lance Terry]

Universal Cyclist has had 26.8s in silver on sale for $114 for quite some 
time. 

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:28:33 PM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:

> My Sam Hillborne took a 26.8 seat post.
> Max
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:52:43 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> I can tell you that the Hunqapillar and Cheviot (both lugged models) use 
>> 26.8, at least in the batches represented in my household. 
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Aug 23, 2023, at 2:19 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> I think the lugged bikes (like the Sam) use 27.2 and the tigged stuff 
>> has is 26.8
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> So, 26.8 is what you want for a Sam? 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:56:09 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>>>
 After years of ownership and the dreaded slip of the Riv issued post, I 
 put a thin coat of grease on top of the post, then sprinkled a fine sand 
 over it. When I clamped the saddle on, I heard a most satisfying crunch, 
 crunch, crunch from all the little contact points. This was after I used a 
 smallish file to mimic what Garth mentioned as bead blasted at all 
 applicable areas, which was moderately helpful at best. I agree that the 
 slick surface was not going to hold so I took matters into my own hands. 
 Fingers crossed but feeling confident. Attached are pics for 
 comparison. 
 


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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[maxcr]

My Sam Hillborne took a 26.8 seat post.
Max

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:52:43 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I can tell you that the Hunqapillar and Cheviot (both lugged models) use 
> 26.8, at least in the batches represented in my household. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Aug 23, 2023, at 2:19 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> I think the lugged bikes (like the Sam) use 27.2 and the tigged stuff has 
> is 26.8
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> So, 26.8 is what you want for a Sam? 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:56:09 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>>
>>> After years of ownership and the dreaded slip of the Riv issued post, I 
>>> put a thin coat of grease on top of the post, then sprinkled a fine sand 
>>> over it. When I clamped the saddle on, I heard a most satisfying crunch, 
>>> crunch, crunch from all the little contact points. This was after I used a 
>>> smallish file to mimic what Garth mentioned as bead blasted at all 
>>> applicable areas, which was moderately helpful at best. I agree that the 
>>> slick surface was not going to hold so I took matters into my own hands. 
>>> Fingers crossed but feeling confident. Attached are pics for comparison. 
>>> 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

[Jason Fuller]

Interesting!  I wonder if they've pivoted on what the Charlie is going to 
be.  Going lugged at the head tube, like the new Gus batch, is great but 
losing the swoop tube would be a real shame (no offence Joe!  Your custom 
pulls it off better than this Charlie IMO).  I would love to see it just be 
a roadish version of the new Gus! 

On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 09:59:19 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Right?? 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20230823_095848.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:56:23 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the 
>>> decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a 
 straight top tube at RivHQ:

 [image: IMG_1965.jpg]

 [image: IMG_1966.jpg]

 Max

 PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post 
 from a video in IG.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Jay Lonner]

I can tell you that the Hunqapillar and Cheviot (both lugged models) use 26.8, at least in the batches represented in my household. Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Aug 23, 2023, at 2:19 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:I think the lugged bikes (like the Sam) use 27.2 and the tigged stuff has is 26.8On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:So, 26.8 is what you want for a Sam? Thanks,ScottOn Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:56:09 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:After years of ownership and the dreaded slip of the Riv issued post, I put a thin coat of grease on top of the post, then sprinkled a fine sand over it. When I clamped the saddle on, I heard a most satisfying crunch, crunch, crunch from all the little contact points. This was after I used a smallish file to mimic what Garth mentioned as bead blasted at all applicable areas, which was moderately helpful at best. I agree that the slick surface was not going to hold so I took matters into my own hands. Fingers crossed but feeling confident. Attached are pics for comparison.



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[RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Johnny Alien]

Man thats some terrible typing right there. I wish I could edit here. But I 
guess its mostly makes sense.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:19:19 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think the lugged bikes (like the Sam) use 27.2 and the tigged stuff has 
> is 26.8
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> So, 26.8 is what you want for a Sam? 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:56:09 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>>
>>> After years of ownership and the dreaded slip of the Riv issued post, I 
>>> put a thin coat of grease on top of the post, then sprinkled a fine sand 
>>> over it. When I clamped the saddle on, I heard a most satisfying crunch, 
>>> crunch, crunch from all the little contact points. This was after I used a 
>>> smallish file to mimic what Garth mentioned as bead blasted at all 
>>> applicable areas, which was moderately helpful at best. I agree that the 
>>> slick surface was not going to hold so I took matters into my own hands. 
>>> Fingers crossed but feeling confident. Attached are pics for comparison. 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Johnny Alien]

I think the lugged bikes (like the Sam) use 27.2 and the tigged stuff has 
is 26.8

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> So, 26.8 is what you want for a Sam? 
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:56:09 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>
>> After years of ownership and the dreaded slip of the Riv issued post, I 
>> put a thin coat of grease on top of the post, then sprinkled a fine sand 
>> over it. When I clamped the saddle on, I heard a most satisfying crunch, 
>> crunch, crunch from all the little contact points. This was after I used a 
>> smallish file to mimic what Garth mentioned as bead blasted at all 
>> applicable areas, which was moderately helpful at best. I agree that the 
>> slick surface was not going to hold so I took matters into my own hands. 
>> Fingers crossed but feeling confident. Attached are pics for comparison. 
>> 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Me rummaging through YOUR parts box: single speed freewheels

[George Schick]

Peter - Web investigation reveals that Park now makes an FR-8 BMX freewheel 
extractor with a 25mm 
opening. https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/freewheel-remover-fr-8
I don't know how long this has been on the market, but looks like your 
angst over your SS FW removal could have been eliminated a while ago.  
George


On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:47:40 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Here's a couple of pic's of the modified BMX freewheel tool in use on a PW 
> hub just to get your salivary glands in motion:
> [image: DSCN0886.JPG]
>
> [image: DSCN0887.JPG]
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:24:24 PM UTC-5 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If Bill's not interested in the modified BMX extractor, I am.
>>
>> I have a Phil + ENO wheel that I've had for about a decade, having bought 
>> it off eBay figuring "what's the big deal? You just use a regular BMX 
>> extractor, get it off the hub, then move on with your life, right?". When 
>> the wheel arrived, I discovered that NOPE! that doesn't work. I couldn't 
>> figure any way to get the freewheel off without wrecking it, which seemed 
>> like a terrible waste. At the time, I emailed the Phil guys, who told me to 
>> bring the wheel down and they'd get the pricy-nice freewheel off without 
>> trashing it; I assume they've modified a BMX extractor (and probably other 
>> extractors as well) to remove miscellaneous freewheels installed on Phil 
>> hubs without sufficient attention paid to axle clearance. Unfortunately, I 
>> never made it down to San Jose before I gave up the car; now a Phil 
>> expedition would be a much bigger task.
>>
>> And so my useful wheel and usable-by-somebody else freewheel have sat 
>> ever since, unused and taking up space.
>>
>> I'd gladly buy the extractor and lend it to my neighbor Bill as needed. 
>> Alternately, he could buy it and lend it to me.
>>
>> Peter Adler
>> in the town just south of Bill's place in El Cerrito, in
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:59:38 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>> I may be your man.  I have an 18T White ENO in my parts box that has had 
>> minimal use and I'm unlikely to ever use again.  I also have a BMX 
>> freewheel removal tool on which I had a machinist widen the center hole so 
>> it can fit over a PW hub's axle cap, if you're interested.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[greenteadrinkers]

So, 26.8 is what you want for a Sam? 

Thanks,
Scott

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:56:09 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:

> After years of ownership and the dreaded slip of the Riv issued post, I 
> put a thin coat of grease on top of the post, then sprinkled a fine sand 
> over it. When I clamped the saddle on, I heard a most satisfying crunch, 
> crunch, crunch from all the little contact points. This was after I used a 
> smallish file to mimic what Garth mentioned as bead blasted at all 
> applicable areas, which was moderately helpful at best. I agree that the 
> slick surface was not going to hold so I took matters into my own hands. 
> Fingers crossed but feeling confident. Attached are pics for comparison. 
> 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[J Imler]

After years of ownership and the dreaded slip of the Riv issued post, I put 
a thin coat of grease on top of the post, then sprinkled a fine sand over 
it. When I clamped the saddle on, I heard a most satisfying crunch, crunch, 
crunch from all the little contact points. This was after I used a smallish 
file to mimic what Garth mentioned as bead blasted at all applicable areas, 
which was moderately helpful at best. I agree that the slick surface was 
not going to hold so I took matters into my own hands. Fingers crossed but 
feeling confident. Attached are pics for comparison. 



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[RBW] WTT: 52 Clem L in Lime Green F/F/H

[Joe A.]

Throwing this out there to see if there's any interest in the group for a 
frame swap. 

I've got a 52 Clem L in Lime Green that's in great condition. It was 
purchased brand new as a complete from Crust in 2022.

I'd like to trade it for a Platypus, Gus, Susie, etc. in a similar size. 

For reference, pictures can be found at this link 


I'd pay any difference in agreed upon valuation and can throw in 
accessories to close the gap, if there's interest (e.g. Racks, bike bags + 
a lot more)

I'm located in the Bay Area and can meet locally to trade. Otherwise, I can 
pack and ship via an agreed upon service provider. 

I'll leave this up for a bit, if it gets no bites I'll take it down and 
perhaps list it for sale.

Thanks all!


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Re: [RBW] Riv Rider Recipes

[Coco Menk]

Patrick - great links! Definitely some great ideas in there. I've also been
reading a lot about Traditional Chinese Medicine and some of the more
surface level ideas they have surrounding food and its properties in
relation to one's physical constitution. There's a lot I don't understand,
and a lot of traditional herbal knowledge that is still beyond me, but it's
been interesting to try to incorporate some of the food ideas into my diet
and see some of the results. Because different food and herbs and spices
interact with our internal balance then you have to mediate any imbalances
by incorporating more of certain things and less of others to try to get
back to a sort of equilibrium.

These ideas are how I got a lot of inspiration to remove gluten, sugars and
dairy, more so than Grant's book, although that was still pretty
informative.The health complaints I was having have resolved themselves
almost completely with the removal of a lot of these foods and it's been
really interesting to explore non-Western ideas of nutrition and health.

Anyone do yoga or incorporate any of those ideas? Was just doing some
reading on the Ayurveda concept of "Digestive Fire" which seems to have a
decent amount of overlap with TCM gut-health ideology.

Exliontamer - Noodles are a hard one to cut out - I so feel you! I try to
save noodles for special occasions now and really relish them. What kind of
vinaigrette do you make for your Cobb Salad?

My own favorite recipe lately has been my new breakfast oatmeal, which
incorporates spices recommended to me by various TCM-inspired resources:

Turmeric Oats:

1/2c dried oats (will work with quick or rolled, just adjust cook time)
~1/3c frozen berries (my favorite is blueberries)
1 tsp cinnamon
1/4 tsp turmeric
1 Tbsp chia seeds
1/4 tsp salt
1 Tbsp honey
1-2 Tbsp full fat coconut milk, or dehydrated coconut milk powder
1 c. water

Combine all dry ingredients (minus salt) into a bowl. In a covered
saucepan, heat water & coconut milk over medium-heat until you reach a low
boil. Add all dry ingredients and stir. Cover, lowering heat to medium-low,
and let cook for 5 min (if using quick oats) or 10 (if using rolled).
Uncover and remove from heat. Add salt and honey and serve fresh! Works for
overnight oats as well but isn't as good.






On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 7:55 AM exliontamer  wrote:

> I read Eat Bacon and lost a bit of weight. I'm already relatively in shape
> for my age but have continued to use keto-ish methods when I want to lose a
> bit. As a lifelong diet/lifestyle thing, I'm skeptical, & I flat out don't
> see it working for vegetarians in a good way. If you already like meat,
> leafy greens, fatty things, etc. I think it's a great way to shed excess
> weight periodically. I've had friends with weight issues have borderline
> miraculous results that were life changing.
>
> I just like food (especially noodles) too much to be dogmatic about diets.
> That said, one of my go to things that works on keto is a trad Cobb Salad.
> No alterations (aside from watercress/chicory which are next to impossible
> to find) and no store bought or creamy dressings. Just make your own
> vinaigrette. In the opposite realm I've been obsessed with Assassin's
> Spaghetti lately. You need a big pan but it's fun to make.
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:02:46 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I expect that the modern biomedical sciences simply don't have the right
>> epistemological or conceptual apparatus (having in mind the scientific
>> parable of the fishing net: "what my net doesn't catch isn't fish") to
>> capture everything that constitutes true nutrition. I know that in
>> traditional Chinese cooking the attitude toward food and care with which it
>> is prepared is said to affect the effect of the food on the eater. I think
>> this involves the *chi* which I know does not belong to any physical
>> category (it's not "spiritual" but relates to the level of "vital force,"
>> not reducing this to physical categories either). And other writers say
>> that it is the organic integrity of the soil that determines the nutritive
>> (again, not solely in terms of modern categories) value of food -- simply
>> shoving in nitrogen and other elements is not enough. (
>> https://www.treehugger.com/who-invented-the-idea-of-organic-farming-and-organic-food-4862673,
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_James,_4th_Baron_Northbourne)
>>
>> I agree that Pollan's is a good rule of thumb.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:26 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>
>>> It’s really bizarre to me that despite many impressive advancements in
>>> the biomedical sciences we still haven’t nailed down what constitutes the
>>> optimum human diet. I try to follow the well-known heuristic from Michael
>>> Pollan’s book “In Defense of Food” — “eat food, mostly plants, not too
>>> much.” (“Food” here is understood to be something that might have been
>>> recognizable to one’s great-grandparents, which is to say not synthesized
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: ‘95 Rivendell Road, repainted at Waterford

[Cody Marvin]

Waterford supplied the decals. When I brought it up, he said "You know, we
probably still have some of those around here somewhere." Was happy to help
them find a use for those old decals before they closed up shop.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 8:27 AM Fullylugged 
wrote:

> Looks great!  Love that you found correct downtube decals for the bike.
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:37:22 PM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bought this from a list member over the winter, the frame got damaged a
>> little in transit (no fault of the seller), so I decided on a
>> repair/repaint. I was lucky to get this to Waterford just in time, it ended
>> up being one of their last projects. I know at least a couple people saw
>> the frame during the Waterford factory tour a couple months ago, thought
>> I’d share a photo now that I’ve finished the build. Well, I’m nearly
>> finished, I can see from the picture I put a tire on backwards. But just
>> about there. Only have about 50 miles on it, but couldn’t be happier so far.
>>
>> Cody, Chicago
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

[Richard Rose]

Agreed! I have a keen interest in the new frame but only if it has the same lovely top tube.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 23, 2023, at 10:35 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:This has me even more curious about this upcoming Hillibike model that's supposed to be combining the Gus / Susie-Wolbis into one model. I'm wondering if that will also lose the swoopy top tube? It would be a shame, IMO, because it's a really lovely design feature and sets the bikes apart from other similarly styled frames in the lineup.On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:12:34 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:It would be interesting to have a mixte leaning road frame and a there is a hole in the lineup for a road oriented lugged taiwan made frame but that would be a pretty large 180 from the second set of prototypes they had made.On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:10:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:It really does!On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:56:23 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.LaingOn Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the decal says, that can't be a Gallop.On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a straight top tube at RivHQ:MaxPS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post from a video in IG.



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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

[Brian Turner]

This has me even more curious about this upcoming Hillibike model that's 
supposed to be combining the Gus / Susie-Wolbis into one model. I'm 
wondering if that will also lose the swoopy top tube? It would be a shame, 
IMO, because it's a really lovely design feature and sets the bikes apart 
from other similarly styled frames in the lineup.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:12:34 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It would be interesting to have a mixte leaning road frame and a there is 
> a hole in the lineup for a road oriented lugged taiwan made frame but that 
> would be a pretty large 180 from the second set of prototypes they had made.
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:10:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It really does!
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:56:23 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the 
 decal says, that can't be a Gallop.

 On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a 
> straight top tube at RivHQ:
>
> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>
> Max
>
> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post 
> from a video in IG.
>


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Re: [RBW] Summer Riding in Alberta

[Mack Penner]

Thanks for the kind notes, J and Jared and Andrew and Scott and Randy. Glad 
you enjoyed watching :)
Mack 

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:31:00 AM UTC-6 larson@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Very nice! The simple and enjoyable act of riding a bicycle is captured 
> very well. Not all rides need to be epic with awesome mountain scenery.
> Randy in WI
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:21:10 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Mack,   Nicely done!  Really enjoyable to watch and listen.  (no music, 
>> yay!)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[greenteadrinkers]

Just ordered the 26.8 set back in silver my Sam, thanks for the tip!
Scott

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:38:48 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> They have them on the Thomson site for the same clearance price as the 
> straight one. $109
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:23:33 PM UTC-4 jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If anyone is sitting (metaphorically!) on a 26.8 setback Thomson, 
>> preferably silver - please DM me offlist - passively seeking same! 
>>
>> =- Joe Bunik 
>> Walnut Creek, CA 
>>
>>
>> On 8/14/23, Nick Payne  wrote: 
>> > On Sunday, 13 August 2023 at 2:58:09 am UTC+10 jonathan@gmail.com 
>> > wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Reaming has crossed my mind and I know riv uses thicker walled tubing 
>> than 
>> > most, but I still wanted to avoid it. How has it been holding up for 
>> you? 
>> > Do you think 27.2 is possible? I would've much rather had that size 
>> from 
>> > the get-go, I didn't realize how rare 26.8 is becoming. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Provided that brazing the seat tube into the lug hasn't distorted the 
>> seat 
>> > tube significantly out of round, it shouldn't be a problem. I've 
>> certainly 
>> > had no problem with the frame that I reamed to 27.0. 27.2mm became the 
>> > defacto standard as it was the seatpost size used on most frames built 
>> with 
>> > 
>> > Reynolds 531C. 
>> > 
>> > Nick Payne 
>> > 
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[RBW] Re: ‘95 Rivendell Road, repainted at Waterford

[Fullylugged]

Looks great!  Love that you found correct downtube decals for the bike.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:37:22 PM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bought this from a list member over the winter, the frame got damaged a 
> little in transit (no fault of the seller), so I decided on a 
> repair/repaint. I was lucky to get this to Waterford just in time, it ended 
> up being one of their last projects. I know at least a couple people saw 
> the frame during the Waterford factory tour a couple months ago, thought 
> I’d share a photo now that I’ve finished the build. Well, I’m nearly 
> finished, I can see from the picture I put a tire on backwards. But just 
> about there. Only have about 50 miles on it, but couldn’t be happier so far.
>
> Cody, Chicago
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

[Johnny Alien]

It would be interesting to have a mixte leaning road frame and a there is a 
hole in the lineup for a road oriented lugged taiwan made frame but that 
would be a pretty large 180 from the second set of prototypes they had made.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:10:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It really does!
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:56:23 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the 
>>> decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a 
 straight top tube at RivHQ:

 [image: IMG_1965.jpg]

 [image: IMG_1966.jpg]

 Max

 PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post 
 from a video in IG.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

[Johnny Alien]

It really does!

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:56:23 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the 
>> decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a 
>>> straight top tube at RivHQ:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post 
>>> from a video in IG.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

[lconley]

Reminds me of a certain gray and red Rivendell Custom.

Laing

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:05:09 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I mean...thats lugged and has a cream headtube. I don't care what the 
> decal says, that can't be a Gallop.
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> From the Blue Lug instagram post, it seems like a proto Charlie with a 
>> straight top tube at RivHQ:
>>
>> [image: IMG_1965.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_1966.jpg]
>>
>> Max
>>
>> PS. Apologies for the bad photo quality but it's hard to grab a post from 
>> a video in IG.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Summer Riding in Alberta

[larson....@gmail.com]

Very nice! The simple and enjoyable act of riding a bicycle is captured 
very well. Not all rides need to be epic with awesome mountain scenery.
Randy in WI

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:21:10 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mack,   Nicely done!  Really enjoyable to watch and listen.  (no music, 
> yay!)

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