Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[Joe Bernard]

56x56 was a standard "square measurement" dropbar road bike for decades. 
The closest equivalents in the Riv line now would be the 51cm Homer and the 
50/54 Roadinis. 

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 6:06:25 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Grants sizing was so different then. Would that be a 53 by todays and 
> everyone else’s yesterday standards?
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 7:53 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Wow that Heron is deluxe as hell! 
>>
>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:55:37 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Another local sale only and no mention of Rivendell in the ad: 
>>>
>>> 56 Heron $2,650 in Adrian Michigan
>>>
>>>
>>> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/d/adrian-heron-by-waterford/7659634840.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:54:20 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 
 PSA
 There’s a beautiful silver 60 Bombadil on the FB group. Lots of bling 
 asking is $4,800 in the Pacific NW (local sale only)
 Max

 On Aug 24, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

 

 Just reposted on the list by our mutual friend Jason for $1750, too low 
 IMO.

 On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:30 PM Paul Clifton  
 wrote:

> This apparently is in near me (northwest Arkansas) if anyone wants a 
> proxy. Listed on Craigslist now: 
> https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/bentonville-rivendell-quickbeam-58cm/7657837282.html
>
> Paul in AR
>
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:52:45 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>
>> PSA, 58 "Crusty" Quickbeam delux (paul, dynamo, etc.) not mine, nor 
>> my size:
>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/173086
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[RBW] WTB: Tosco-moose Bars, Threadless for the Gus

[Erik]

I know this is a long shot, but I would love to land a Tosco-moose 
threadless handlebar.  I think they were sold briefly around the time of 
the first run of the Gus Boots Wilsen.  I'm looking to swap out my current 
Gus cockpit for a swept-back option, but I want the moose configuration's 
sturdiness.  

Let me know if you have one burning a hole in your bike parts stash.  

Erik 

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[RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Ted Durant]

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:08:28 PM UTC-5 Kurt Henry wrote:

 The first is a pair of 45 Lakes alongside a pair of size 11 Lems  Primal 
Zen (?).  Lems widest last (which these are) has a HUGE toe box, so keep 
that in mind.

I love my Primal Zen shoes. They're my main biking shoes these days. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI 53217

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

['Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's a really nice setup! I was surprised by the brakes, too.  I thought 
at first glance that those were from a fancy independent maker, like Paul.  
I didn't remember the Campy MTB cantis being that machined/CNC'd looking. 
Kurt Henry
Lancaster, PA

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 7:53:48 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow that Heron is deluxe as hell! 
>
> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:55:37 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Another local sale only and no mention of Rivendell in the ad: 
>>
>> 56 Heron $2,650 in Adrian Michigan
>>
>>
>> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/d/adrian-heron-by-waterford/7659634840.html
>>
>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:54:20 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> PSA
>>> There’s a beautiful silver 60 Bombadil on the FB group. Lots of bling 
>>> asking is $4,800 in the Pacific NW (local sale only)
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Just reposted on the list by our mutual friend Jason for $1750, too low 
>>> IMO.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:30 PM Paul Clifton  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This apparently is in near me (northwest Arkansas) if anyone wants a 
 proxy. Listed on Craigslist now: 
 https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/bentonville-rivendell-quickbeam-58cm/7657837282.html

 Paul in AR


 On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:52:45 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> PSA, 58 "Crusty" Quickbeam delux (paul, dynamo, etc.) not mine, nor my 
> size:
> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/173086
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[J S]

Grants sizing was so different then. Would that be a 53 by todays and
everyone else’s yesterday standards?

On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 7:53 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Wow that Heron is deluxe as hell!
>
> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:55:37 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Another local sale only and no mention of Rivendell in the ad:
>>
>> 56 Heron $2,650 in Adrian Michigan
>>
>>
>> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/d/adrian-heron-by-waterford/7659634840.html
>>
>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:54:20 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> PSA
>>> There’s a beautiful silver 60 Bombadil on the FB group. Lots of bling
>>> asking is $4,800 in the Pacific NW (local sale only)
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Just reposted on the list by our mutual friend Jason for $1750, too low
>>> IMO.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:30 PM Paul Clifton 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This apparently is in near me (northwest Arkansas) if anyone wants a
 proxy. Listed on Craigslist now:
 https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/bentonville-rivendell-quickbeam-58cm/7657837282.html

 Paul in AR


 On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:52:45 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> PSA, 58 "Crusty" Quickbeam delux (paul, dynamo, etc.) not mine, nor my
> size:
> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/173086
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[RBW] FS: SunRace CM983 11-46T 9-speed cassette

[Kim H.]

 I have a lightly used silver SunRace CM983 11-46T 9-speed cassette with 
less than 10 miles on it that I do not plan using again. 

$65.00, plus shipping 
Paypal payment.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA..

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[Eric Marth]

Wow that Heron is deluxe as hell! 

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:55:37 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Another local sale only and no mention of Rivendell in the ad: 
>
> 56 Heron $2,650 in Adrian Michigan
>
>
> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/d/adrian-heron-by-waterford/7659634840.html
>
> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:54:20 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> 
>> PSA
>> There’s a beautiful silver 60 Bombadil on the FB group. Lots of bling 
>> asking is $4,800 in the Pacific NW (local sale only)
>> Max
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Just reposted on the list by our mutual friend Jason for $1750, too low 
>> IMO.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:30 PM Paul Clifton  wrote:
>>
>>> This apparently is in near me (northwest Arkansas) if anyone wants a 
>>> proxy. Listed on Craigslist now: 
>>> https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/bentonville-rivendell-quickbeam-58cm/7657837282.html
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:52:45 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 PSA, 58 "Crusty" Quickbeam delux (paul, dynamo, etc.) not mine, nor my 
 size:
 https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/173086

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[RBW] Re: First Ride, First Riv

[Johnny Alien]

Congrats and welcome!! The Clem L is such a nice bike and yours looks great!

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 4:07:52 PM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:

> Sally,
>
> Welcome!
>
> Evan
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[RBW] Re: FS: Summer Cleaning - Brooks, Salsa, Acorn, Nitto, Thomson

[Michael Ullmer]

All sold, thanks all!

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:37:13 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> All that remains is:
>
> 4) Salsa 1" 80mm Quill Stem 26.0 Clamp - $60
> --A rare bird! A takeoff from a neighbors bike that I'm rehabbing. Shows 
> signs of use, sticker is worn in parts.
>
> 7) Shimano 600 27.2 Seatpost - $20
> --Some scuffs from use.
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:06:29 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> An update on what remains and a couple price drops:
>>
>> 1) Brooks B-17S - $75
>> --Bought from my LBS, Proofride applied, appears not to have been ridden. 
>> Was never used by us.
>>
>> 2) Timbuk2 Tool Roll - SOLD
>> --Some marks from use, functionally great. A friend gifted me a Soulrun 
>> Tool roll and this one needs to go.
>>
>> 3) Black Shimano FC-6206 170mm Cranks - $75
>> --These came on an old Trek MTB. Beautiful, a few marks in the black 
>> anodization. Rings 46-40-28. Comes with the original cup and cone BB
>>
>> 4) Salsa 1" 80mm Quill Stem 26.0 Clamp - $60
>> --A rare bird! A takeoff from a neighbors bike that I'm rehabbing. Shows 
>> signs of use, sticker is worn in parts.
>>
>> 5) Nitto Lamp Holder 2 -  SOLD
>> --Great shape, used to hold my Acorn bag.
>>
>> 6) Acorn Medium Handlebar Bag -  SOLD
>> --Great shape, no rips/tears. No signs of wear that I can see.
>>
>> 7) Shimano 600 27.2 Seatpost - $20
>> --Some scuffs from use.
>>
>> 8) Dura Ace QR Skewers -  SOLD
>> --Mismatched Dura Ace skewers (the font is SLIGHTLY different).
>>
>> 9) Thomson Elite 27.0 x 330 Black Seatpost -  SOLD pending payment
>> --Was in use on my partner's Bridgestone MB-3. Has its fair share of 
>> scuffs.
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> Lamp Holder and DA Skewers sold
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 3:14:37 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>>
   A few items left over from a few builds and from the bin. Prices are 
 net to me and don't include shipping. Will ship with Pirateship.

 1) Brooks B-17S - $80
 --Bought from my LBS, Proofride applied, appears not to have been 
 ridden. Was never used by us.

 2) Timbuk2 Tool Roll - $20
 --Some marks from use, functionally great. A friend gifted me a Soulrun 
 Tool roll and this one needs to go.

 3) Black Shimano FC-6206 170mm Cranks - $75
 --These came on an old Trek MTB. Beautiful, a few marks in the black 
 anodization. Rings 46-40-28. Comes with the original cup and cone BB

 4) Salsa 80mm Quill Stem 26.0 Clamp - $60
 --A rare bird! A takeoff from a neighbors bike that I'm rehabbing. 
 Shows signs of use, sticker is worn in parts.

 5) Nitto Lamp Holder 2 - $50
 --Great shape, used to hold my Acorn bag.

 6) Acorn Medium Handlebar Bag - $70
 --Great shape, no rips/tears. No signs of wear that I can see.

 7) Shimano 600 27.2 Seatpost - $25
 --Some scuffs from use.

 8) Dura Ace QR Skewers - $40
 --Mismatched Dura Ace skewers (the font is SLIGHTLY different).

 9) Thomson Elite 27.0 x 330 Black Seatpost - $45
 --Was in use on my partner's Bridgestone MB-3. Has its fair share of 
 scuffs.

 Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/X3mrChL4s7iwcxCK8

 PM off-list

 Mike in Minneapolis

>>>

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[RBW] Re: First Ride, First Riv

[Evan E.]

Sally,

Welcome!

Evan

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[maxcr]

Another local sale only and no mention of Rivendell in the ad: 

56 Heron $2,650 in Adrian Michigan

https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/d/adrian-heron-by-waterford/7659634840.html

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:54:20 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> 
> PSA
> There’s a beautiful silver 60 Bombadil on the FB group. Lots of bling 
> asking is $4,800 in the Pacific NW (local sale only)
> Max
>
> On Aug 24, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Just reposted on the list by our mutual friend Jason for $1750, too low 
> IMO.
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:30 PM Paul Clifton  wrote:
>
>> This apparently is in near me (northwest Arkansas) if anyone wants a 
>> proxy. Listed on Craigslist now: 
>> https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/bentonville-rivendell-quickbeam-58cm/7657837282.html
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:52:45 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> PSA, 58 "Crusty" Quickbeam delux (paul, dynamo, etc.) not mine, nor my 
>>> size:
>>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/173086
>>>
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[RBW] FS: 54.5 Waterford Atlantis in Exceptional Condition

[ADH]

I've mentioned my bike in previous posts. I've finally come to terms with 
selling it. It's listed on Craigslist in Boston. It is in exceptional 
condition. Original photos of build are on flickr. Search on my username, 
ahurvitz. Happy to work out shipping. Happy to answer any questions. Here 
is the text of the listing and here is the link:

Rivendell Atlantis 54.5, Exc. Cond., Waterford frame - bicycles - by owner 
- bike sale - craigslist 



















*I am selling my Waterford Atlantis, purchased new in 2008, and in 
exceptional condition. It's a 54.5 cm frame (I'm 5'8"). I worked directly 
with Grant when building it out. I have taken great care of it and can't 
imagine a finer example. The frame and paint look virtually new. The only 
blemish occurred when the chain jumped and slightly nicked the chainstay. I 
subsequently wrapped it in cloth tape and shellacked it. (The nick can't be 
seen and the chainstay looks cool.) The bike draws compliments wherever I 
ride and looks great with Honjo fenders. The components are as 
follows:Nitto: Noodle bars, Technomic stem, Crystal Fellow seatpost, and 
rear rackDura Ace Bar End shifters, Deore XT Rear Derailleur, IRD front 
derailleur, Shimano Headset, Chainrings and CassetteDeore XT hubs on Mavic 
Rims (built by Harris Cyclery), Schwalbe Marathon tiresSugino crank and KMC 
chainPaul Cantilever brakes with Cane Creek leversHonjo Hammered 
fendersBrooks leather seatVelo Orange pedals2 bottle cagesBrass bell and 
Rivendell Kevan BagBottle of Testor's 2135Bars are wrapped with cloth tape 
and multi-colored twine and shellacked with Bulls-Eye Amber shellac. Fender 
bolts are stylized (see picture)  I am happy to arrange shipping. I know 
this is a lot of money. I have invested a lot of money and I'm not sure 
there is a finer Waterford Atlantis anywhere. Happy to answer any 
questions.*

Thanks, Alan

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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Leah Peterson]

Those clouds obscured Gene’s penchant for fun color on that Clem. It took me a few miles before I caught it and when I did, I shrieked that Gene is my people. His Clem was wild! We really need to see it in sunlight, if you have pics, Gene. Post them here and wow us with your colors.On Aug 28, 2023, at 10:12 AM, Gene B  wrote:It's all gravyyy. I had a great time, thanks for the invite! It was super cool to meet everyone/see everyone's rides. I'm new to the world of Rivendell ownership/ridership (this was literally my third or fourth time riding my Clem (and first >10 mile ride on it)), so this was a memorable one for me. Also shout out to the Mack's folks - Sam for being hospitable as always, and Arb who serviced my rear wheel minutes before we set out on the ride.I'll keep an eye out for the next one!On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 9:21:44 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Scott and Gene - this just arrived in my inbox! I am sorry it didn’t arrive before the ride. I would hate to think you felt ignored! Thanks for coming. I just posted the ride video on a new thread. Also, it’s here:<370771313_3561386334134504_7836472598718726022_n.jpg>Leah Peterson on Instagram: "We had 10 riders join us for our Chicago ride yesterday!

In attendance: 
1 silver Appaloosa (fun fact: it belonged to Will Keating) 
1 green Hunq
1 A. Homer Hilsen
2 Sam Hillbornes
1 lime olive Clem L
1 yellow Legolas
1 Rivendell road custum
1 red Erickson
1 raspberry Platypus

We began at @macksbikeandgoods in Evanston, where we were greeted warmly by Sam and Kelly Mack. They graciously set out coffee and refreshments, took photos and talked all the bike talk with our riders as we shopped their excellent store. If you are in the area, please go and see them; they carry all of our favorite things. We took photos and belatedly hit the road.

We had several miles to ride before connecting with Chicago’s famous Lakefront Trail. The clouds were thick and the winds were high. We dodged triathletes, throngs of people, and later, the Chicago Bears fans. We were treated to gorgeous scenery and the sounds of crashing waves on the shores of Lake Michigan as we pedalinstagram.comOn Aug 27, 2023, at 9:20 PM, Scott Marriott  wrote:Any updates to this one yet? It will be good to visit the new location of Mack's either way. Scott, Chicago (Hyde Park)On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 1:49:36 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Just a reminder to mark your calendars for the Chicago Riv Ride on Aug 26th! We’ll start at Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Riv dealer, at 1030 and hit the Lakefront Trail from there. We’ll get lunch on the trail, admire each other’s bikes and make new friends. See you then.Leah and MarcOn Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:13:34 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I’m grateful for all the suggestions and may have questions for some of you later. Marc is out of town and I’ll chat with him when he gets back and we’ll finalize the plan…which may include winging it and deciding on the route at the shop!At any rate, sounds like we are going to get to meet a lot of new people and see their bikes and for that, I’m thrilled.Thanks for being so fun!LeahOn Aug 5, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Jason  wrote:Hey Hash, glad you think the route is good -- and that's a solid point on Sheridan. My map was a bit of a quick sketch to show a concept of potential destinations, but I just made a couple updates/improvements based on a ride I took up to Baha'i and down the Lakefront Trail in June. Connecting to the LFT from Evanston now shows much less of Sheridan and much more residential neighborhood before hitting Ardmore and the lake. That said, I'm certain there are other ways to improve the connections. Whatever direction the Chicago Riv Ride takes, I think it would probably be worth getting advice from the folks at Mack's.On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-5 Hash wrote:Hey Jason, route looks great and I've wanted to see the Bahai house for a minute. Not sure of any alternatives, but throwing it out there that ride down Sheridan is pretty brutal with cars and lack of bike lanes.On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-5 Jason wrote:Looks like great fun. I hope to attend. Thanks for organizing this, Leah and Marc! If we are considering other route options, as others are suggesting perhaps the North Branch Tail could be combined with the Lake Front Trail. I sketched a quick route from Mack's south on the LFT to the North Avenue Beach, then back north on the LFT until cutting west to Half Acre Beer Co., which has food, beer, and an outdoor patio. From there, the ride could connect back to Mack's via the North Branch Trail, but before stopping, see the nearby Baháʼí House of Worship. Here's a map of that concept.JasonOak Park, ILOn Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:04:52 AM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:I don't disagree with anything anyone has said about Navy Pier or the LFT. Once you hit North Ave 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report Videos

[Keith Paugh]

Nice work. I love seeing the localesThey look like very pleasant stretches to ride!k.On Aug 28, 2023, at 5:03 AM, John G  wrote:Fun.  Thank you for sharing. I always enjoy seeing where others ride.John GUnion Bridge, MDOn Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:58:41 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:Hi everyone,Eric’s videos inspired me to make a movie version of a ride report.We have lots of written ride reports and photo essays, so I thought we could also post videos of our rides. Here’s one I made yesterday, riding through Berkeley, San Ramon, and points beyond. Enjoy!Bike Rideyoutube.com



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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[J S]

I switched to Choco bars in 2020 from Albatross bars. I have never 
regretted the switch, seems like I have extra hand room and added comfort. 

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>
> Thanks hive mind!
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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Gene B]

It's all gravyyy. I had a great time, thanks for the invite! It was super 
cool to meet everyone/see everyone's rides. I'm new to the world of 
Rivendell ownership/ridership (this was literally my third or fourth time 
riding my Clem (and first >10 mile ride on it)), so this was a memorable 
one for me. 

Also shout out to the Mack's folks - Sam for being hospitable as always, 
and Arb who serviced my rear wheel minutes before we set out on the ride.

I'll keep an eye out for the next one!


On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 9:21:44 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

Scott and Gene - this just arrived in my inbox! I am sorry it didn’t arrive 
before the ride. I would hate to think you felt ignored! Thanks for coming. 
I just posted the ride video on a new thread. Also, it’s here:

[image: 370771313_3561386334134504_7836472598718726022_n.jpg]
Leah Peterson on Instagram: "We had 10 riders join us for our Chicago ride 
yesterday! In attendance: 1 silver Appaloosa (fun fact: it belonged to Will 
Keating) 1 green Hunq 1 A. Homer Hilsen 2 Sam Hillbornes 1 lime olive Clem 
L 1 yellow Legolas 1 Rivendell road custum 1 red Erickson 1 raspberry 
Platypus We began at @macksbikeandgoods in Evanston, where we were greeted 
warmly by Sam and Kelly Mack. They graciously set out coffee and 
refreshments, took photos and talked all the bike talk with our riders as 
we shopped their excellent store. If you are in the area, please go and see 
them; they carry all of our favorite things. We took photos and belatedly 
hit the road. We had several miles to ride before connecting with Chicago’s 
famous Lakefront Trail. The clouds were thick and the winds were high. We 
dodged triathletes, throngs of people, and later, the Chicago Bears fans. 
We were treated to gorgeous scenery and the sounds of crashing waves on the 
shores of Lake Michigan as we pedal 

instagram.com 




On Aug 27, 2023, at 9:20 PM, Scott Marriott  wrote:

Any updates to this one yet? It will be good to visit the new location of 
Mack's either way. 


Scott, 
Chicago (Hyde Park)

On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 1:49:36 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

Just a reminder to mark your calendars for the Chicago Riv Ride on Aug 
26th! We’ll start at Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Riv dealer, at 
1030 and hit the Lakefront Trail from there. We’ll get lunch on the trail, 
admire each other’s bikes and make new friends. 

See you then.
Leah and Marc

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:13:34 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

I’m grateful for all the suggestions and may have questions for some of you 
later. Marc is out of town and I’ll chat with him when he gets back and 
we’ll finalize the plan…which may include winging it and deciding on the 
route at the shop!

At any rate, sounds like we are going to get to meet a lot of new people 
and see their bikes and for that, I’m thrilled.

Thanks for being so fun!
Leah

On Aug 5, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Jason  wrote:

Hey Hash, glad you think the route is good -- and that's a solid point on 
Sheridan. My map was a bit of a quick sketch to show a concept of potential 
destinations, but I just made a couple updates/improvements based on a ride 
I took up to Baha'i and down the Lakefront Trail in June. Connecting to the 
LFT from Evanston now shows much less of Sheridan and much more residential 
neighborhood before hitting Ardmore and the lake. That said, I'm certain 
there are other ways to improve the connections. Whatever direction the 
Chicago Riv Ride takes, I think it would probably be worth getting advice 
from the folks at Mack's.

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-5 Hash wrote:

Hey Jason, route looks great and I've wanted to see the Bahai house for a 
minute. Not sure of any alternatives, but throwing it out there that ride 
down Sheridan is pretty brutal with cars and lack of bike lanes.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-5 Jason wrote:

Looks like great fun. I hope to attend. Thanks for organizing this, Leah 
and Marc! 

If we are considering other route options, as others are suggesting perhaps 
the North Branch Tail could be combined with the Lake Front Trail. I 
sketched a quick route from Mack's south on the LFT to the North Avenue 
Beach, then back north on the LFT until cutting west to Half Acre Beer Co 
., which has food, beer, and an 
outdoor patio. From there, the ride could connect back to Mack's via the 
North Branch Trail, but before stopping, see the nearby Baháʼí House of 
Worship 
.
 
Here's a map of that concept 
.


Jason
Oak Park, IL
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 

Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Pat Smith]

I've really been enjoying my Specialized 2FO shoes for around town. Fit is 
forgiving and the insole supports well.

Smitty in DC

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:24:09 PM UTC-7 J wrote:

> Forgot the profile. Specialized Recon ADV
>
> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:21:35 PM UTC-4 J wrote:
>
>> Alright Specialized, this is more like it. This is a more forgiving 
>> shaped toebox and a plain enough to be acceptably ignored
>>
>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 9:22:03 PM UTC-4 samuelj...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Try on a pair of specialized recon 1.0. I have similarly wide feet and 
>>> my recons feel great. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.backcountry.com/b/specialized-recon-1.0-mountain-bike-shoe?CMP_SKU=SCQ0085=0406=SCQ0085-BLA-S440:trackingCode=5276C7CA-1EC1-EA11-8114-005056944E17:referralID=NA:device=m:adType=plaonline_source=google_medium=pla_campaign=213415717__p:G%7cs:BC%7cct:Shopping%7cct2:xx%7cg:xx%7cc1:Bike%7cc2:Apparel+Footwear%7cb:xx%7cmt:xx__145647854861__mt:xx+%7c+c1:Bike+%7c+c2:Apparel+Footwear+%7c+s:xx+%7c+b:specialized_term=pla-2077693539340__SCQ0085-BLA-S440_content=657561884570__pla_id=go_cmp-213415717_adg-145647854861_ad-657561884570_pla-2077693539340_dev-m_ext-_prd-SCQ0085-BLA-S440_mca-7811_sig-Cj0KCQjw84anBhCtARIsAISI-xdtwrk3Oh8ZqQUXGWbnBI8Wdd0wZGEVeAvJARYFNyhw_qZfzQKSsA0aAp5qEALw_wcB=Cj0KCQjw84anBhCtARIsAISI-xdtwrk3Oh8ZqQUXGWbnBI8Wdd0wZGEVeAvJARYFNyhw_qZfzQKSsA0aAp5qEALw_wcB=aw.ds
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 10:00 PM 'Kurt Henry' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, I've recently been on a similar search. My feet are wide, though 
 not overly so.  The bigger issue for me is that after a few years of 
 wearing exclusively foot-shaped shoes, such as Birkenstocks, Lems, and 
 Altras, and wearing Correct Toes to help with Morton's Neuroma, my feet 
 won't tolerate shoes that bunch up my toes.  My big toes are the worst 
 offenders and cycling shoes commonly go for a pointy look.  As a result, 
 even 'wide' cycling shoes that can accommodate high volume feet aren't 
 generally comfortable for me.  So, please take my thoughts here with a 
 grain of salt.

 Bont has a wide fitting that has a decent amount of room but the shape 
 at the front didn't work for me.  Many models (all?) are heat moldable, 
 making minor tweaks for comfort a possibility.  I just posted a pair of 
 those on i-BOB after deciding that a minor adjustment wasn't going to cut 
 it for me.  

 I also recently tried a series of Lakes on different lasts.  Lake's 
 Sport and Competition lasts in wide fittings offer a good bit of room but 
 still come to a bit of a point.  You might find they work for you, though. 
  
 The Race lasts are available in an extra wide that has a good bit of 
 volume 
 through the body of the shoe but similarly did not work for me.  Lake has 
 also introduced a Comfort Plus last (Lake Cycling Shoes – The Comfort 
 Plus Last 
 ).  
 They might win an award for 'least attractive cycling shoe' and the 
 mountain version I ordered won't win any weight weenie competitions, but 
 the fit is really good.  The picture of the sole is not far off from some 
 of the 'foot shape' shoes.  If you're considering the Stomp Lox, they 
 might 
 be an option.

 Specialized has a new last for their high-end shoes that they have 
 modified based on their in-house fittings.  It showed up recently in the 
 S-Works Recon model (S-Works Recon | Specialized.com 
 ).  I ordered a pair last 
 week that I'm pretty certain are going back.  I can confirm that they have 
 more volume than I expected.  I pulled the insole out and used a 
 half-length insert with metatarsal pad to free up toe room and it's 
 a...pretty good... fit.  But I don't want to pay that price for a shoe if 
 the fit is not just right.

 Shimano has a tour last (LAST TECHNOLOGY | SHIMANO GEAR 
 )
  
 that is supposed to be roomier as well.  I have a pair of SH-EX700s that 
 should land tomorrow.  I'll follow up if those turn out to be a winner.

 Finally, you already found the Stomp Lox.  I would have ordered a pair 
 of those earlier in this misadventure had Ron not been sold out.

 Good luck!
 Kurt Henry
 Lancaster, PA
 On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:30:12 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another 
> thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of 
> further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread. 
>
> I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[Davey Two Shoes]

I rode albatross on a couple different bikes over the years and I never 
really got on with them. I used the Terminal bar for a bit and I really 
liked that. 
Then the orthos came in stock and I bought them without thought of what I'd 
actually do with them.

I've been running them on my Karate Monkey which is used as my toddler 
hauler and mountain bike. I've got a couple days out on the single track I 
normally ride and I've never had more fun. The width and flex of these bars 
add a suppleness that has always been missing from the KM despite the wheel 
and tire set up I would use. Combined with a B17 flyer I am so pleased. 

I do need to up my frame size as the Medium is really just barely big 
enough for me with a more traditional mtb set up. I like the bars enough to 
change the frame.

If you're going to use the bike for more chonky gravel and some single 
track I think this is where the argument for an Ortho over other options 
really gains traction.

Thinking about building up a geared Surly LowSide for the Orthos.

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 9:18:16 PM UTC-4 joshm...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've been running Albas on my Bike Friday with tektro inverse levers and 
> suntour stem shifters and the hand positions are endless. 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WKCgLGpuq4Pxvv7K8
>
> JB NYC 
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 3:34 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Hi David — I've run Albatross, Billie and Ortho bars on different bikes 
>> and have enjoyed them all. I think that the Billies are the sweet spot, 
>> more sweep back and wider than the Albatross and not out there in mutant 
>> territory like the Orthos. 
>>
>> All three bars have a similar shape but each has more sweep back than the 
>> next and they get wider along the scale as well. I do like having more 
>> sweep back to accommodate levers, thumb-mounted shifters *and *to have a 
>> nice long grip position in the hooks which I find good for spirited riding 
>> and climbing out of the saddle. 
>>
>> I don't think I'll run *Albatross* bars again, despite their beauty and 
>> the classic shape. Just not enough room for levers, thumb shifters and the 
>> hooks grip position for me. I'd consider it with bar end shifters but don't 
>> see myself running swept back bars and bar-ends together anytime soon. The 
>> image below, from Rivendell Catalog No. 20, is how I fell in love with the 
>> Albatross bar. 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-08-25 at 3.12.33 PM.png]
>>
>> I don't have any pictures handy but I ran mine just like this on my Surly 
>> LHT. 
>>
>> I had the *Billie* bars on my Appaloosa for a while before I swapped to 
>> the Ortho bars. Great hooks position, nice shape, plenty of sweep back. 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-08-25 at 3.30.59 PM.png]
>>
>> The *Ortho* bars are very flexy and the long sweep back requires a 12cm 
>> or 13cm stem to get them far enough away from you. This will depend on how 
>> big your frames are. They're 69cm wide, mine measure 29" outside to 
>> outside. I sometimes struggle to fit the bars through my shed door but it's 
>> only a 2-8 (32") door. I think on a smaller frame they might teeter on true 
>> absurdity. I've found mine to be overall pretty comfortable though not 
>> life-changing. I won't rant or rave about them. I think I'd be just as 
>> happy with the Billie bars. The Ortho is based on a set of Bosco bars that 
>> Ron bent and flattened out, you can sort of see it in their overall shape. 
>> Here's a picture of the bike with the Ortho bars. 
>>
>> [image: Appaloosa-updates-3-scaled.jpg]
>>
>> Here's a quick overlay with my Billie bars strapped to my Ortho bars for 
>> comparison. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_7187.JPG]
>>
>> The last round of Orthos were out of stock for over a year and then 
>> quickly sold out. I haven't heard any rumors about how soon Crust will have 
>> another shipment in. If they're unavailable I think the Billies would be 
>> worthwhile. 
>>
>> Best of luck and let us know what you do! 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
>>> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
>>> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
>>> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>>>
>>> Thanks hive mind!
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Riv Ride: Chicago Lakefront Trail Recap

[Richard Rose]

Leah, this is pretty spectacular. I spent the summer of 1977 commuting the lakeside trail from the “near north” area to the loop on my PX10. I thought it was great then without ANY infrastructure. Now it is amazing & even more beautiful. And I could not be happier that you all chose the Billy Goat. That was a regular lunch spot that memorable summer. Elvis passed that summer. On occasion I would extend my commute riding either as far south or as far north as I could while still getting home before dark. I made it to Evanston a couple of times. Formative times, for sure. I MUST attend the next Chicago gathering. Thanks for sharing.Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 27, 2023, at 10:19 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:We had 10 riders join us for our Chicago ride yesterday! In attendance: 1 silver Appaloosa (fun fact: it belonged to Will Keating) 1 green Hunq1 A. Homer Hilsen2 blue Sam Hillbornes1 lime olive Clem L1 yellow Legolas1 blue Rivendell road custum1 red Erickson1 raspberry PlatypusWe began at Mack’s Bike and Goods in Evanston, where we were greeted warmly by Sam and Kelly Mack. They graciously set out coffee and refreshments, took photos and talked all the bike talk with our riders as we shopped their excellent store. If you are in the area, please go and see them; they carry all of our favorite things. We took photos and belatedly hit the road.We had several miles to ride before connecting with Chicago’s famous Lakefront Trail. The clouds were thick and the winds were high. We dodged triathletes, throngs of people, and later, the Chicago Bears fans. We were treated to gorgeous scenery and the sounds of crashing waves on the shores of Lake Michigan as we pedaled along our path. The rain held off and we arrived intact (minus one Legolas front cantilever brake) and upright, ready for lunch. We at the famous Billy Goat Tavern and then some of us peeled off for other destinations. The Lone Wolf and I were fortunate to keep 2 of our guides, Sean and Davey, who graciously offered to ride us back to the trail that would lead us to Evanston. But first, they escorted us through the heart of Chicago, where we enjoyed fabulous bike infrastructure (including an elevated bike path!) and viewings of the city’s historical buildings. Marc and I had over 40 miles when we arrived back at the shop.Thank you to everyone who joined us! Below are a few photos, but even better, a link to the Post Ride Video on my Instagram. I’ll be changing the privacy back to “private” in a week or so, so try to view it before then.LeahInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CweJZD5gkCE/?igshid=NzZhOTFlYzFmZQ==



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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride: Chicago Lakefront Trail Recap

[JohnS]

Thank you for sharing Leah, looks like it was a great ride!

JohnS

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:19:35 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> We had 10 riders join us for our Chicago ride yesterday! 
> In attendance: 
> 1 silver Appaloosa (fun fact: it belonged to Will Keating) 
> 1 green Hunq
> 1 A. Homer Hilsen
> 2 blue Sam Hillbornes
> 1 lime olive Clem L
> 1 yellow Legolas
> 1 blue Rivendell road custum
> 1 red Erickson
> 1 raspberry Platypus
>
> We began at Mack’s Bike and Goods in Evanston, where we were greeted 
> warmly by Sam and Kelly Mack. They graciously set out coffee and 
> refreshments, took photos and talked all the bike talk with our riders as 
> we shopped their excellent store. If you are in the area, please go and see 
> them; they carry all of our favorite things. We took photos and belatedly 
> hit the road.
>
> We had several miles to ride before connecting with Chicago’s famous 
> Lakefront Trail. The clouds were thick and the winds were high. We dodged 
> triathletes, throngs of people, and later, the Chicago Bears fans. We were 
> treated to gorgeous scenery and the sounds of crashing waves on the shores 
> of Lake Michigan as we pedaled along our path. The rain held off and we 
> arrived intact (minus one Legolas front cantilever brake) and upright, 
> ready for lunch. We at the famous Billy Goat Tavern and then some of us 
> peeled off for other destinations. The Lone Wolf and I were fortunate to 
> keep 2 of our guides, Sean and Davey, who graciously offered to ride us 
> back to the trail that would lead us to Evanston. But first, they escorted 
> us through the heart of Chicago, where we enjoyed fabulous bike 
> infrastructure (including an elevated bike path!) and viewings of the 
> city’s historical buildings. Marc and I had over 40 miles when we arrived 
> back at the shop.
>
> Thank you to everyone who joined us! Below are a few photos, but even 
> better, a link to the Post Ride Video on my Instagram. I’ll be changing the 
> privacy back to “private” in a week or so, so try to view it before then.
>
> Leah
>
> Instagram: 
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CweJZD5gkCE/?igshid=NzZhOTFlYzFmZQ==
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report Videos

[John G]

Fun.  Thank you for sharing. I always enjoy seeing where others ride.
John G
Union Bridge, MD

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:58:41 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Eric’s videos inspired me to make a movie version of a ride report.
>
> We have lots of written ride reports and photo essays, so I thought we 
> could also post videos of our rides. Here’s one I made yesterday, riding 
> through Berkeley, San Ramon, and points beyond. Enjoy!
>
>
> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>
> Bike Ride 
> youtube.com 
> 
>
>

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