Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Joe Bernard]

I've owned a Ram and Romulus (basically the same frame) and both rode great 
unloaded. I briefly had a Lightning Bolt Disc which I greatly regret 
selling, I agree that it's kinda bizarre without a load on the front. Very 
twitchy, it didn't feel safe to me. 

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:47:34 PM UTC-7 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> I don't think of the Lightning Bolt as a no-load bike and would not 
> recommend it as such. I occasionally ride mine that way, but it's not ideal 
> because it gets really light in the front end. Where it shines is carrying 
> a front load while still handling like a race bike. If you want that, I 
> really like my Lightning Bolt and would recommend one, and I think it rides 
> as well and is at least very close to as fast as the best race bikes. But 
> if what you want aesthetically is a stripped down go-fast bike, a Lightning 
> Bolt is not the bike for the job IMO. A Malocchio might be better, or a 
> Nordavinden for the low trail if you can find one. I've never ridden a 
> Rambouillet, but I've ridden a whole lot of 70s and 80s road bikes and 
> sport tourers, which are supposedly what the Ram was based on.
>
> Josiah Anderson 
> Missoula, MT 
>
> (And no, my frame is not bent, it's just weird distortion haha).
>
> Le dim. 15 oct. 2023 à 8:13 PM, Max Faingezicht  a 
> écrit :
>
>> Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
>> become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust
>>
>>
>> I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s review 
>> in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS who owns 
>> one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike he’s ever 
>> ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.
>>
>> Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to make 
>> room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and the 
>> Ram which would be the one to go? 
>>
>> How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds with 
>> no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
>> although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.
>>
>> Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I don’t 
>> want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about the LB? Or 
>> about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few options on the 
>> more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in the middle 
>> a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying weight or to 
>> go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
>> occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.
>>
>> The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to replace 
>> my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I can get a 
>> more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though I love 
>> it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from my 
>> Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Crust Malocchio XL pre-production (fits 42s front & rear) F/F/HS +parts

[exliontamer]

Also, wanted to clarify that the measurements are the same as the 
production frame. The seat tube is 61cm ctc & just shy of 63cm ctt. The top 
tube is 60cm ctc.

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 5:56:05 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Bump & drop. $1,100 shipped
> Pics of the other side & the light paint flecks on the seat tube.
> [image: IMG_4918.jpg]
> [image: IMG_4921.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_4936.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 4:38:27 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> This is the pre-production model with softer graphics & the properly 
>>> placed brake bridge so it fits true 42s front & rear. I was running 38s 
>>> with a lot of room & my guess is you could fender 38s on it. Very 
>>> lightweight Columbus Spirit steel. Comes with a Campagnolo Record headset 
>>> installed. There's a small ding in the top tube, a small paint chip on 
>>> point of the seat post lug, & very slight paint flecking on the back of the 
>>> seat tube. 
>>> Comes with the following parts to start a build:
>>> *46cm Noodles (some bar tape schmutz)
>>> *8cm Nitto Technomic stem (some hazing)
>>> *Tektro R559 Brakes (perfect)
>>> *Shimano Tiagra Levers (some light allen key business on the gray 
>>> plastic)
>>> *Silver DT shifters (perfect)
>>>
>>> $1200 shipped in the continental US
>>>
>>> Obviously happy to answer any question, send detailed pics, talk about 
>>> the frame, etc. Thanks![image: IMG_4917.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_4919.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Joe Bernard]

I like them both equally cuz what am I, STUPID?? Don't answer that! 

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 6:08:04 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Oops, I did it again...
> Doug
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:06:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Doug, you can say it until springtime when I change it BACK. And then you 
>> will declare you have had a change of heart and that you love the ivory 
>> saddle and thank goodness I came to my senses and brought it back! 🤣
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2023, at 8:55 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I have been on a bicycle hiatus for about three weeks but decided to 
>> check the group tonight. Wow, what a discussion! Your bike mods look 
>> fabulous Leah. I like the color changes. Can I say now that I did not like 
>> the previous saddle color? At least not as much as the new one. Fun reading 
>> folks.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> MEN. Even *I* eventually chimed in and I know better! 🤦
>>>
>>> Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>
 Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
 poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
 Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 

 On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching 
> grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either 
> attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.
>
> Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad 
> it all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as 
> new' 
> claim.
>
> The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
> previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically 
> released 
> but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were 
> discontinued.  
> I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited 
> colors 
> I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
> release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.
>
> I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink 
> and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
>
> https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue
>
> This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did 
> make them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a 
> few 
> size/color combos still seem to remain:
> https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
>> seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
>> Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
>> recall seeing that in your makeover post
>>
>> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts 
>>> I had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red 
>>> chainring guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know 
>>> Gravel 
>>> King came in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a 
>>> RivSister, 
>>> Brian!
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne <
>>> lionsrug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late 
>>> summer (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture 
>>> was 
>>> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner. 
>>>  I 
>>> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the 
>>> year 
>>> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning 
>>> before 
>>> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
>>> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
>>> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
>>> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new 
>>> and 
>>> lighter build on this bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but 
>>> with no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized 
>>> chainring 
>>> guard now faded to a pinkish hue I decided i

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Doug H.]

Oops, I did it again...
Doug

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:06:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Doug, you can say it until springtime when I change it BACK. And then you 
> will declare you have had a change of heart and that you love the ivory 
> saddle and thank goodness I came to my senses and brought it back! 🤣
>
> On Oct 16, 2023, at 8:55 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I have been on a bicycle hiatus for about three weeks but decided to 
> check the group tonight. Wow, what a discussion! Your bike mods look 
> fabulous Leah. I like the color changes. Can I say now that I did not like 
> the previous saddle color? At least not as much as the new one. Fun reading 
> folks.
>
> Doug
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> MEN. Even *I* eventually chimed in and I know better! 🤦
>>
>> Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard 
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
>>> poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
>>> Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching 
 grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either 
 attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.

 Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad 
 it all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as 
 new' 
 claim.

 The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
 previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically 
 released 
 but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued. 
  
 I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
 I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
 release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.

 I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink 
 and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:

 https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue

 This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did 
 make them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
 size/color combos still seem to remain:
 https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel

 On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
> seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
> Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
> recall seeing that in your makeover post
>
> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts 
>> I had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red 
>> chainring guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know 
>> Gravel 
>> King came in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a 
>> RivSister, 
>> Brian!
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late 
>> summer (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
>> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  
>> I 
>> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the 
>> year 
>> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning 
>> before 
>> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
>> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
>> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
>> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
>> lighter build on this bike.
>>
>>
>> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with 
>> no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring 
>> guard 
>> now faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the 
>> mismatched 
>> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its 
>> current 
>> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few 
>> weeks 
>> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it ha

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Leah Peterson]

Doug, you can say it until springtime when I change it BACK. And then you will declare you have had a change of heart and that you love the ivory saddle and thank goodness I came to my senses and brought it back! 🤣On Oct 16, 2023, at 8:55 PM, Doug H.  wrote:I have been on a bicycle hiatus for about three weeks but decided to check the group tonight. Wow, what a discussion! Your bike mods look fabulous Leah. I like the color changes. Can I say now that I did not like the previous saddle color? At least not as much as the new one. Fun reading folks.DougOn Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:MEN. Even I eventually chimed in and I know better! 🤦Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad it all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as new' claim.The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically released but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued.  I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blueThis year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did make them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few size/color combos still seem to remain:https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravelOn Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't recall seeing that in your makeover postPink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  wrote:Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and lighter build on this bike.I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to better match the gears and tread with terrain.I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d like between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now in rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent with at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride each at

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Doug H.]

I have been on a bicycle hiatus for about three weeks but decided to check 
the group tonight. Wow, what a discussion! Your bike mods look fabulous 
Leah. I like the color changes. Can I say now that I did not like the 
previous saddle color? At least not as much as the new one. Fun reading 
folks.
Doug

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> MEN. Even *I* eventually chimed in and I know better! 🤦
>
> Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard 
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
>> poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
>> Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching 
>>> grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either 
>>> attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.
>>>
>>> Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad it 
>>> all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as new' 
>>> claim.
>>>
>>> The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
>>> previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically released 
>>> but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued.  
>>> I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
>>> I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
>>> release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.
>>>
>>> I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink 
>>> and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
>>>
>>> https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue
>>>
>>> This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did 
>>> make them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
>>> size/color combos still seem to remain:
>>> https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
 seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
 Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
 recall seeing that in your makeover post

 Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!

 On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I 
> had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red 
> chainring 
> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King 
> came 
> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>
> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
>
> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  
> I 
> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
> lighter build on this bike.
>
>
> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with 
> no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring 
> guard 
> now faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the 
> mismatched 
> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few 
> weeks 
> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>
> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for 
> a more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different 
> gearing between wheels and still need to swap the tires or 
> cogs/freewheels 
> to better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>
> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as muc

Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Stephen]

Hey Max,

I currently have a Ram, and used to have a SS Breakaway lighting bolt. Ram 
in ~62 or 63, LB in xl. I really liked both, but let the LB go because I 
was just trying to thin things out. Its not a perfect comparison tubeset 
wise, because they used beefier stuff on the breakaway versions, but i 
think the geometry is supposed to be the same, I rode it with 650b x 42 
tires w fenders, fairweather 'for cruise'. The handling on the LB is 
definitely 'quicker' than the ram, or other rivs. It was most noticeable 
when I had been riding riv geometry for a bit and then switched back, but 
when I road the LB exclusively I quickly got used to it. As I write this 
I'm thinking about how much I liked the bike and miss it a little bit. It 
was light (ish), and springy (though that may have been tires).  650 b felt 
quick. to accelerate. I had some difficulty achieving my preferred 
handlebar height since I cut the steerer too low and the level top tube. 
Wish I had set it up with drop bars while I had it, but was in a little bit 
of an anti drop phase. I'm starting to ramble.

Both bikes are awesome, but the rambouillet might be one of my all time 
favorites right now. Maybe I just wasn't a singlespeed guy. It is really 
nice to have a bike that handles differently than riv's in my opinion, fun 
to ride different things. If I were you I'd try to be patient and see if I 
could find someone to let me try theirs out, or try to land a used deal on 
crust classifieds. 

best,

stephen
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:42:13 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The Ram 
> is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from my 
> experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, with 
> stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a bike 
> that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
> exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
> stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.
>
> But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht  
> wrote:
>
>> Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
>> become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust
>>
>>
>> I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s review 
>> in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS who owns 
>> one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike he’s ever 
>> ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.
>>
>> Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to make 
>> room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and the 
>> Ram which would be the one to go? 
>>
>> How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds with 
>> no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
>> although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.
>>
>> Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I don’t 
>> want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about the LB? Or 
>> about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few options on the 
>> more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in the middle 
>> a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying weight or to 
>> go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
>> occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.
>>
>> The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to replace 
>> my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I can get a 
>> more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though I love 
>> it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from my 
>> Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts
>>
>> Max
>>
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[RBW] Re: aluminum V steel rear rack

[Wesley]

I'm pretty sure I've only ever had aluminum racks. They take serious abuse 
without complaint.
-Wes

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 6:47:13 AM UTC-7 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

>  
>
>  
>
> Folks,
>
> I outfitted my Waterford Tourer with aluminum rear rack .
>
>  
>
> Load was like 20 pd rear 12 pd front.  Mostly good roads w/ a little 
> gravel for a week
>
>  
>
> I found it handled well. 
>
>  
>
> I have an Indy Fab sport tourer converted to 650b.  I am thinking that 
> aluminum   might work.
>
> Anticipate 1 week of same touring. 
>
>  
>
> What say ye?  
>

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Re: [RBW] Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

[Wesley]

When I was using a monocog 29er as my winter bike, I had a triple speed: 
three cogs, three chainrings (the third, lowest gear was used for maximum 
torque to drive through deep snow without bogging down) . All three combos 
added up to the same total teeth but the change in angles was enough that I 
usually had to adjust the wheel in the dropout when changing gears. It 
worked fine with the disc brakes.
-W

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:31:14 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Dave, good to know about the DOX 2-tooth gap fws.
>
> Back to the question of disc brake and axle movement: the *chain length* will 
> remain the same; the axle will have to move to accommodate different size 
> cogs since I don't want a tensioner.* This of course assumes that one is 
> using horizontal dropouts or track ends; I'd like to stay with that 
> assumption until it is entirely and definitely ruled out.
>
> When moving the chain from a 17 to to a 19 t cog and v/v the axle should 
> have to move only 1/4" or ~6 mm. This movement would be back to front and 
> v/v. 
>
> The rear caliper on the Monocog is  mounted *above* the rotor (actually, 
> it seems to be a wee bit forward of the rotor centerline). Couldn't you 
> mount the caliper at top dead center of the rotor? And if so mounted, the 
> rotor would move only ~3 mm forward or back for a 2-tooth axle shift.
>
> Could the caliper not accommodate a 1/8" or 3 mm movement fore and aft? If 
> I have to specify a particular disc brake, let's just say a cable operated 
> BB7.
>
> I'll think more about the 2 rings/2 cogs arrangement. I could use, say, a 
> 36X17 and 34 X 19 for 65" and 55". And certainly, a vertical dropout would 
> be much easier to use for manual chain shifting than track ends.
>
> Or one could use a kickback hub: 32 X 21 for a 46" gear in direct, 64" in 
> 138% overdrive. 
>
> All in all, I think I prefer the QR and horizontal dropout system, and if 
> disc brakes can't accomodate this then I'll stick to a single speed. [Or, I 
> could go back to a fixed off road bike where I wouldn't need a rear brake; 
> but I rather think I want a freewheel.
>
> *The reason might sound silly but it's a valid one: One reason I took the 
> Monocog in trade was to have a snow bike. We very rarely get enough snow to 
> ride in but we do get a few days per year and I like riding in it. A few 
> years ago I found that wet gummy snow clogged the cassette and rear 
> derailleur of my Matthews and made the chain skip. Thus the thought of 
> getting a snow/sand single speed with 3" tires.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:51 PM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I hope I am understanding what you are looking for, but the DOS 
>> freewheels are still made in the two tooth differential versions; it's only 
>> the three tooth differential version (16/19) that was discontinued.
>>
>> I'm not sure if you are looking for DOS freewheels in this situation 
>> though as these are thread on and not splined
>> If you are looking at a different wheelset on this hypothetical bike and 
>> a standard single speed threaded hub then the DOS will work:
>> https://www.whiteind.com/product/double-freewheels
>>
>> Regarding disc brakes, to Eric's point I know of no way to have the quick 
>> change of gearing you are looking for with non constant chain length and a 
>> rear disc. Most single speed disc options that carry the disc with the 
>> wheel use sliding or swinging dropouts but these are not really something 
>> you want to be adjusting on the fly.
>>
>> A double chainring setup really is the simplest. It's a quick change and 
>> adds a few seconds to the process.
>>
>> If you adopt a constant chain length dual ring/cog setup, sliding 
>> dropouts (or an EBB) make the change even quicker as you just drop the 
>> wheel, swap the cog/ring and reinsert.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:19:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, but I don't want that complication. I want (if I can get it) the 
>>> simplicity of my Riv customer gofast: QR rear hub, Dingle cog, long 
>>> horizontal dropouts. I don't necessarily need these means but I do want the 
>>> same end.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 4:31 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
 The simplest solution is to also use two chainrings, matching the cog 
 difference (for instance, with a 16/18 Dos freewheel, use 42 and 44t 
 chainrings). Then the 44/16 and 42/18 have the same chain length, and the 
 rotor to pad relationship doesn't change.

 Or just use a disc front and a rim brake rear, and a forward facing 
 horizontal dropout (like typical UJBs have)

 Eric

 On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 6:12 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Thinking out loud; help me clarify my thoughts.
>
> I think of devising a Monocog replacement, with 622X76/29X3" wheels, 
> but instead of a mono cog, with a duo cog. This hypothetical bike would 
> have disc brakes. I don't want to use a chain te

Re: [RBW] FS: Rivendell Platypus Frameset, 55cm, “Lime Olive”

[Richard Rose]

I wish I needed another bike!Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 16, 2023, at 5:47 PM, Nathan F  wrote:





I’ve decided to sell my 55cm Platypus from the original run in the “Lime Olive” color.
There are maybe 600 miles or so on the frame. I’m only selling it because I don’t have anywhere to store it after a recent move. Bummer! Here's how I built it if you're looking for some inspiration.
It’s in overall great shape, with some very minor cable run on the NDS headtube, and some minor marks from a bike rack on the DS seat-stay and mid-stay. No dents or anything major. As I exclusively ran it singlespeed, the chain stay and hanger are in perfect shape, though the inside of the dropouts are a little marked up from fiddling with the ENO hub.
BB/seatpost/headset are included, as are “The Platypus Care Guide” and the accompanying documentary DVD Riv gave away. I think I even have the original paint covers for the canti-studs, but will need to look around for them.
Pictures here: https://imgur.com/a/9AD7Twu 
I am asking $1250 net to me shipped from Austin, TX (or free local delivery!). 



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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Nitto/riv stuff

[Stephen]

Pedals and stem are sold.

handlebars and kickstand still available.

Thanks!
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:58:40 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Sale Pending on the Pedals and the Stem!
>
> No interest in the handlebars or kickstand yet
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:30:37 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Cannot believe that FacePlater has not been snapped up. Best stem ever @ 
>> a great price & getting very hard to find. Did you post pics? That always 
>> seems to help.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2023, at 7:53 AM, Stephen  wrote:
>>
>> Throwing out a bump, I've had no interest on anything, maybe its the 
>> wrong time of year to sell parts? I'm open to offers.
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 9:42:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Got a few items I'm not using and don't see myself needing anymore. 
>>> Hopefully some of yall could use this stuff.
>>>
>>> Nitto Noodle 46cm - $80 + shipping (cleaned, but has a few tape spots, i 
>>> love 46cm noodles but already have another pair on my ram)
>>>
>>> Nitto Losco 54cm - $80 + shipping (used for 6 months ish, cleaned but 
>>> has a few tape spots) 
>>>
>>> Nitto Fillet Faceplater 135mm 225 quill - $120 + shipping (basically 
>>> new, i dry installed on a build once and otherwise its been sitting, never 
>>> ridden)
>>>
>>> MKS Bear traps black/silver - $30 bucks + shipping, (or less make me an 
>>> offer, these didnt get nibbled the last time i posted.. seriously if you're 
>>> at all interested shoot me a message) (a little dirty, but only lived on a 
>>> bike for a month or two)
>>>
>>> Pletscher Single leg kickstand - $10 + shipping (used for a month or 
>>> two, feel like a two leg would work better for my appaloosa)
>>>
>>> I'm located in NYC, if you're nearby we can maybe arrange local handoff.
>>>
>>> thanks for looking,
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Platypus Frameset, 55cm, “Lime Olive”

[Nathan F]

 

I’ve decided to sell my 55cm Platypus from the original run in the “Lime 
Olive” color.

There are maybe 600 miles or so on the frame. I’m only selling it because I 
don’t have anywhere to store it after a recent move. Bummer! Here's how I 
built it if you're looking for some inspiration 
.

It’s in overall great shape, with some very minor cable run on the NDS 
headtube, and some minor marks from a bike rack on the DS seat-stay and 
mid-stay. No dents or anything major. As I exclusively ran it singlespeed, 
the chain stay and hanger are in perfect shape, though the inside of the 
dropouts are a little marked up from fiddling with the ENO hub.

BB/seatpost/headset are included, as are “The Platypus Care Guide” and the 
accompanying documentary DVD Riv gave away. I think I even have the 
original paint covers for the canti-studs, but will need to look around for 
them.

Pictures here: https://imgur.com/a/9AD7Twu 

I am asking $1250 net to me shipped from Austin, TX (or free local 
delivery!). 

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Re: [RBW] Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

[DavidP]

Yes, chain length remains the same in all cases - I guess what I meant to 
say was 'rear center' (distance between bottom bracket and axle).

It's entirely possible a rear disc might work well enough over that ~3mm 
range. I've never owned a disc braked bike with horizontal dropouts 
allowing the axle to move independent of the caliper so I'm not sure about 
the tolerances in setup.

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Dave, good to know about the DOX 2-tooth gap fws.
>
> Back to the question of disc brake and axle movement: the *chain length* will 
> remain the same; the axle will have to move to accommodate different size 
> cogs since I don't want a tensioner.* This of course assumes that one is 
> using horizontal dropouts or track ends; I'd like to stay with that 
> assumption until it is entirely and definitely ruled out.
>
> When moving the chain from a 17 to to a 19 t cog and v/v the axle should 
> have to move only 1/4" or ~6 mm. This movement would be back to front and 
> v/v. 
>
> The rear caliper on the Monocog is  mounted *above* the rotor (actually, 
> it seems to be a wee bit forward of the rotor centerline). Couldn't you 
> mount the caliper at top dead center of the rotor? And if so mounted, the 
> rotor would move only ~3 mm forward or back for a 2-tooth axle shift.
>
> Could the caliper not accommodate a 1/8" or 3 mm movement fore and aft? If 
> I have to specify a particular disc brake, let's just say a cable operated 
> BB7.
>
> I'll think more about the 2 rings/2 cogs arrangement. I could use, say, a 
> 36X17 and 34 X 19 for 65" and 55". And certainly, a vertical dropout would 
> be much easier to use for manual chain shifting than track ends.
>
> Or one could use a kickback hub: 32 X 21 for a 46" gear in direct, 64" in 
> 138% overdrive. 
>
> All in all, I think I prefer the QR and horizontal dropout system, and if 
> disc brakes can't accomodate this then I'll stick to a single speed. [Or, I 
> could go back to a fixed off road bike where I wouldn't need a rear brake; 
> but I rather think I want a freewheel.
>
> *The reason might sound silly but it's a valid one: One reason I took the 
> Monocog in trade was to have a snow bike. We very rarely get enough snow to 
> ride in but we do get a few days per year and I like riding in it. A few 
> years ago I found that wet gummy snow clogged the cassette and rear 
> derailleur of my Matthews and made the chain skip. Thus the thought of 
> getting a snow/sand single speed with 3" tires.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:51 PM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I hope I am understanding what you are looking for, but the DOS 
>> freewheels are still made in the two tooth differential versions; it's only 
>> the three tooth differential version (16/19) that was discontinued.
>>
>> I'm not sure if you are looking for DOS freewheels in this situation 
>> though as these are thread on and not splined
>> If you are looking at a different wheelset on this hypothetical bike and 
>> a standard single speed threaded hub then the DOS will work:
>> https://www.whiteind.com/product/double-freewheels
>>
>> Regarding disc brakes, to Eric's point I know of no way to have the quick 
>> change of gearing you are looking for with non constant chain length and a 
>> rear disc. Most single speed disc options that carry the disc with the 
>> wheel use sliding or swinging dropouts but these are not really something 
>> you want to be adjusting on the fly.
>>
>> A double chainring setup really is the simplest. It's a quick change and 
>> adds a few seconds to the process.
>>
>> If you adopt a constant chain length dual ring/cog setup, sliding 
>> dropouts (or an EBB) make the change even quicker as you just drop the 
>> wheel, swap the cog/ring and reinsert.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:19:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, but I don't want that complication. I want (if I can get it) the 
>>> simplicity of my Riv customer gofast: QR rear hub, Dingle cog, long 
>>> horizontal dropouts. I don't necessarily need these means but I do want the 
>>> same end.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 4:31 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
 The simplest solution is to also use two chainrings, matching the cog 
 difference (for instance, with a 16/18 Dos freewheel, use 42 and 44t 
 chainrings). Then the 44/16 and 42/18 have the same chain length, and the 
 rotor to pad relationship doesn't change.

 Or just use a disc front and a rim brake rear, and a forward facing 
 horizontal dropout (like typical UJBs have)

 Eric

 On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 6:12 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Thinking out loud; help me clarify my thoughts.
>
> I think of devising a Monocog replacement, with 622X76/29X3" wheels, 
> but instead of a mono cog, with a duo cog. This hypothetical bike would 
> have disc brakes. I don't want to use a chain tensioner, and I prefer to 

Re: [RBW] aluminum V steel rear rack

[Steven Sweedler]

No problem at all
Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 9:47 AM Bernard Duhon 
wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I outfitted my Waterford Tourer with aluminum rear rack .
>
>
>
> Load was like 20 pd rear 12 pd front.  Mostly good roads w/ a little
> gravel for a week
>
>
>
> I found it handled well.
>
>
>
> I have an Indy Fab sport tourer converted to 650b.  I am thinking that
> aluminum   might work.
>
> Anticipate 1 week of same touring.
>
>
>
> What say ye?
>
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Re: [RBW] Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Dave, good to know about the DOX 2-tooth gap fws.

Back to the question of disc brake and axle movement: the *chain length* will
remain the same; the axle will have to move to accommodate different size
cogs since I don't want a tensioner.* This of course assumes that one is
using horizontal dropouts or track ends; I'd like to stay with that
assumption until it is entirely and definitely ruled out.

When moving the chain from a 17 to to a 19 t cog and v/v the axle should
have to move only 1/4" or ~6 mm. This movement would be back to front and
v/v.

The rear caliper on the Monocog is  mounted *above* the rotor (actually, it
seems to be a wee bit forward of the rotor centerline). Couldn't you mount
the caliper at top dead center of the rotor? And if so mounted, the rotor
would move only ~3 mm forward or back for a 2-tooth axle shift.

Could the caliper not accommodate a 1/8" or 3 mm movement fore and aft? If
I have to specify a particular disc brake, let's just say a cable operated
BB7.

I'll think more about the 2 rings/2 cogs arrangement. I could use, say, a
36X17 and 34 X 19 for 65" and 55". And certainly, a vertical dropout would
be much easier to use for manual chain shifting than track ends.

Or one could use a kickback hub: 32 X 21 for a 46" gear in direct, 64" in
138% overdrive.

All in all, I think I prefer the QR and horizontal dropout system, and if
disc brakes can't accomodate this then I'll stick to a single speed. [Or, I
could go back to a fixed off road bike where I wouldn't need a rear brake;
but I rather think I want a freewheel.

*The reason might sound silly but it's a valid one: One reason I took the
Monocog in trade was to have a snow bike. We very rarely get enough snow to
ride in but we do get a few days per year and I like riding in it. A few
years ago I found that wet gummy snow clogged the cassette and rear
derailleur of my Matthews and made the chain skip. Thus the thought of
getting a snow/sand single speed with 3" tires.



On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:51 PM DavidP  wrote:

> Patrick, I hope I am understanding what you are looking for, but the DOS
> freewheels are still made in the two tooth differential versions; it's only
> the three tooth differential version (16/19) that was discontinued.
>
> I'm not sure if you are looking for DOS freewheels in this situation
> though as these are thread on and not splined
> If you are looking at a different wheelset on this hypothetical bike and a
> standard single speed threaded hub then the DOS will work:
> https://www.whiteind.com/product/double-freewheels
>
> Regarding disc brakes, to Eric's point I know of no way to have the quick
> change of gearing you are looking for with non constant chain length and a
> rear disc. Most single speed disc options that carry the disc with the
> wheel use sliding or swinging dropouts but these are not really something
> you want to be adjusting on the fly.
>
> A double chainring setup really is the simplest. It's a quick change and
> adds a few seconds to the process.
>
> If you adopt a constant chain length dual ring/cog setup, sliding dropouts
> (or an EBB) make the change even quicker as you just drop the wheel, swap
> the cog/ring and reinsert.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:19:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, but I don't want that complication. I want (if I can get it) the
>> simplicity of my Riv customer gofast: QR rear hub, Dingle cog, long
>> horizontal dropouts. I don't necessarily need these means but I do want the
>> same end.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 4:31 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> The simplest solution is to also use two chainrings, matching the cog
>>> difference (for instance, with a 16/18 Dos freewheel, use 42 and 44t
>>> chainrings). Then the 44/16 and 42/18 have the same chain length, and the
>>> rotor to pad relationship doesn't change.
>>>
>>> Or just use a disc front and a rim brake rear, and a forward facing
>>> horizontal dropout (like typical UJBs have)
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 6:12 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Thinking out loud; help me clarify my thoughts.

 I think of devising a Monocog replacement, with 622X76/29X3" wheels,
 but instead of a mono cog, with a duo cog. This hypothetical bike would
 have disc brakes. I don't want to use a chain tensioner, and I prefer to
 take advantage of the greater gear ratio differences between cogs of
 different sizes compared to rings with the same tooth differences, and of
 the consequent smaller axle movement required to adjust chain slack, so the
 multiple cogs would be in the back and not on the crank.

 On my beloved 1999 Joe Starck Riv Road Custom fixie I use a 17/19
 Dingle on a Phil hub with a QR axle; it's very easy to stop, flip the QR
 lever, move the chain, align the wheel, and tighten the QR.

 That's what I imagine for the Monocog replacement.

 1. Disc brakes. But this bike would have disc bra

Re: [RBW] FS- A lot of random stuff, Brompton, camping, tenkara,

[Drw]

*Here is what is left*

*Yuba take off stuff- selling all together 65$ plus shipping*
*all came off of a 2023 yuba kombi and are essentially new. not the 
lightest or fanciest stuff, but clean and serviceable.*
*-*handlebars with adjustable threadless stem and grips
-Crank with 42t chainring, bashguard and plastic pedals
-Saddle

*Velo Orange happy stem.* threadless, 90mm, 31.8, black. mounted but never 
used.- 35$ plus shipping
*Sunrace 9 speed cassette-* 11-40t excellent condition-15$ plus shipping
*31.8 seatpost clamp- *free with any purchase
*Microshift front derailler-* bottom pull. comes with a 31.8 clamp but it 
is interchangeable- 15$ plus shipping
*20 in tubes-*1.75-2.125- 5 of them- 15$ plus shipping
*Battery light and click bell-* free with any purchase

*Dill pickle u-lock holder-* free with any purchase

*Thermarest sit pad- *15$ plus shipping
*Six moon designs lunar solo shelter- *seam sealed- used once in my 
backyard- 200$ plus shipping (does not include stakes or trekking pole. 
295$ new)
*Reyr Tiny cast tenkara- *Used a couple of times. comes with line, leader, 
sleeve and replacement tip section. integrated line holder. really awesome 
ultralight fishing setup. 100$ plus shipping
*Stainless camping pan, plate and pot stand for alcohol stoves*- free with 
any purchase


On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 5:21:34 PM UTC-7 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

>  
>
> Nice Stash 
>
>  
>
> what are the frame bag’s dimensions? 
>
> Are you in the US?
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Drw
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 15, 2023 3:56 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] FS- A lot of random stuff, Brompton, camping, tenkara,
>
>  
>
> Had this stuff kicking around the garage and need it gone. All prices do 
> not include shipping. Pick up in Los angeles is totally welcome. Photos 
> here 
> 
> . 
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> Drew
>
>  
>
> *Yuba take off stuff- selling all together 65$ plus shipping*
>
> *all came off of a 2023 yuba kombi and are essentially new. not the 
> lightest or fanciest stuff, but clean and serviceable.*
>
> *-*handlebars with adjustable threadless stem and grips
>
> -Crank with 42t chainring, bashguard and plastic pedals
>
> -Saddle
>
>  
>
> *Brompton take off stuff- selling all together for 150$ or a la carte 
> below*
>
> *all came off of a 2022 brompton and are essentially new*
>
> -M/H handlebars with brompton grips- 30$ plus shipping
>
> -Brompton standard saddle- 20$ plus shipping
>
> -Brompton rear rack with rear fender and ez wheels- 120$ plus shipping
>
> -EZ wheel upgrade wheels. Bigger/wider and with bearings- 20$ plus shipping
>
>  
>
> *Velo Orange happy stem.* threadless, 90mm, 31.8, black. mounted but 
> never used.- 35$ plus shipping
>
> *Sunrace 9 speed cassette-* 11-40t excellent condition-15$ plus shipping
>
> *31.8 seatpost clamp- *free with any purchase
>
> *Microshift front derailler-* bottom pull. comes with a 31.8 clamp but it 
> is interchangeable- 15$ plus shipping
>
> *Gyes leather saddle-* wide-ish- 20$ plus shipping
>
> *20 in tubes-*1.75-2.125- 5 of them- 15$ plus shipping
>
> *Battery light and click bell-* free with any purchase
>
>  
>
> *Agu venture frame bag-* unused- 20$ plus shipping
>
> *Dill pickle u-lock holder-* free with any purchase
>
>  
>
> *Thermarest sit pad- *15$ plus shipping
>
> *Six moon designs lunar solo shelter- *seam sealed- used once in my 
> backyard- 200$ plus shipping (does not include stakes or trekking pole. 
> 295$ new)
>
> *Reyr Tiny cast tenkara- *Used a couple of times. comes with line, 
> leader, sleeve and replacement tip section. integrated line holder. really 
> awesome ultralight fishing setup. 100$ plus shipping
>
> *Stainless camping pan, plate and pot stand for alcohol stoves*- free 
> with any purchase
>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Joe Bernard]

MEN. Even *I* eventually chimed in and I know better! 🤦

Joe "realized as soon as I hit Send that this was a bad idea" Bernard 

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:54:49 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
> poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
> Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching 
>> grips and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either 
>> attire, but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.
>>
>> Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad it 
>> all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as new' 
>> claim.
>>
>> The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
>> previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically released 
>> but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued.  
>> I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
>> I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
>> release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.
>>
>> I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink 
>> and here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
>>
>> https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue
>>
>> This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did make 
>> them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
>> size/color combos still seem to remain:
>> https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
>>> seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
>>> Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
>>> recall seeing that in your makeover post
>>>
>>> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I 
 had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red 
 chainring 
 guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King 
 came 
 in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!

 On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
 wrote:

 Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
 (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
 captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I 
 ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
 while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
 reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
 removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
 being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
 decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
 lighter build on this bike.


 I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with 
 no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard 
 now faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched 
 blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
 shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks 
 and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
 rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
 months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.

 A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a 
 more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing 
 between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to 
 better match the gears and tread with terrain.

 I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d 
 like between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now 
 in rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent 
 with at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride 
 each at least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 
 30min 
 loop.  The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things 
 here or there and do more make-overs!

 Brian Cole

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Dorothy C]

Sarah asks “Did you even ask for input about your riding position?” No, 
poor Leah is getting bikesplained again. Lovely colors, Leah, and I hope 
Deb takes up your suggestion to make them in ivory as well. 

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 8:26:29 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching grips 
> and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either attire, 
> but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.
>
> Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad it 
> all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as new' 
> claim.
>
> The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
> previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically released 
> but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued.  
> I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
> I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
> release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.
>
> I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink and 
> here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
>
> https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue
>
> This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did make 
> them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
> size/color combos still seem to remain:
> https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your 
>> seatpost setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. 
>> Did you even ask for input about your riding position because I don't 
>> recall seeing that in your makeover post
>>
>> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>>
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I 
>>> had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring 
>>> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came 
>>> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
>>> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
>>> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I 
>>> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
>>> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
>>> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
>>> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
>>> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
>>> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
>>> lighter build on this bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no 
>>> particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now 
>>> faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched 
>>> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
>>> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks 
>>> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
>>> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
>>> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>>>
>>> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a 
>>> more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing 
>>> between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to 
>>> better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>>>
>>> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d 
>>> like between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now 
>>> in rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent 
>>> with at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride 
>>> each at least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 30min 
>>> loop.  The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things 
>>> here or there and do more make-overs!
>>>
>>> Brian Cole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
 thread.

 Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
 Platypus. I have it perfec

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Toyo Atlantis Build Thread

[Brendan Willard in SF]

Thanks John and Stephen!

John, yes, very satisfying to cruise on!  Lot's of compliments!

Stephen, I work around the corner from Dandelion at KQED, i'll bring it by 
so you can take it for a spin while I eat chocolate!

Brendan

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 8:28:19 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> I agree with ChefDurfee, that color is stunning, as is the whole setup of 
> this Atlantis. The red accents at play with the Jolly Rancher apple geen 
> are eye-catching. Must be so satisfying to pedal around on.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 11:16:10 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Sweet Jolly Rancher Apple, I like that!  Swing it by Dandelion someday if 
>> you have the chance, I'd love to have a closer look! sd
>>
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 4:26:24 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did have a 26" a while back.  Miss that bike![image: IMG_5922.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 1:35:56 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ah! Ok… sorry, when I zoomed in, I misread the tires as Naches Pass 
 (which are 26”), instead of Hatcher Pass (700). So I thought it was one of 
 the 26” models, like my 54.5 Toyo. Great work! Sorry you had to deal with 
 a 
 damaged frame, but it seems to have all worked out for the best!

 On Oct 14, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Brendan Willard  wrote:

 58!



 Thanks,
 -Brendan Willard
 Owner/Winemaker
 Phantômé Cellars

 phantomecellars.com 

 Speaking in Thumbs 👍

 On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:16 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:

 
 Looks great, Brendan! What size? 53? 54.5?

 On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Brendan Willard in SF  
 wrote:

 
 


 On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:53 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
 wrote:

> [image: IMG_5752.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:07 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in 
> SF wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_5859.JPG]
>>
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in 
>> SF wrote:
>>
>>> I purchased this low miles Toyo Atlantis from a fellow who had it 
>>> built up with a bunch of 9 speed era fast roadie parts.  
>>>
>>> The bike arrived with a dent in the top tube, so I got a quote from 
>>> Rick at D&D, contacted Bike Flights and they had insurance cut a check.
>>>
>>> The bike went to Rick and I decided on the Hunq green as I've never 
>>> been a big fan of the original Atlantis color.  The paint it beautiful, 
>>> a 
>>> bit more sparkly green apple than I expected but it's growing on me.  
>>> It's 
>>> a good match for my green and white Vans, bike lane paint, green waste 
>>> bins, and Lime scooters (see the latest Riv email).
>>>
>>> I had some mismatched Paul levers, a nice SKF BB, some Salsa Rasta 
>>> skewers, a Clem wheelset, and some other odds and ends.  Bought a 
>>> Clipper 
>>> crankset, a Sycip Singles Bar, some Thumbies, XT V-Brakes, etc.
>>>
>>> I don't usually get down with blingy anodized stuff, but I'm really 
>>> in love with the Rasta skewers and red of the SKF against the green 
>>> frame.  
>>> Should I order those anodized Wolftooth bolts?? Hmmm
>>>
>>> Anyhooo.  Here it is in front of my wife's N+1 pillow collection and 
>>> around SF.
>>> [image: IMG_5855.JPG]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Thanks for the kind words, Leah!  Great find with the Rivet matching grips 
and like Joe said, the Racing Platy just looks great with either attire, 
but of course even more autumnal now with those chestnut touches.

Max - the yellow Yves Gomez looks terrific with the makeover and glad it 
all worked out in the end despite the unfortunate turn with the 'as new' 
claim.

The pink Gravelkings were one of their annual color specials from a 
previous year.  I forget which year these colors were specifically released 
but stumbled upon them online somewhere even after they were discontinued.  
I'm sure there are still some out there to be found but the limited colors 
I believe are also always limited in model/size even with the initial 
release.  I'm currently using 700x32 SK and SS models.

I think this was the online retailer I had found the discontinued pink and 
here is another previous limited color in the same 32mm size:
https://planetcyclery.com/components/wheels-tires-tubes/tires/panaracer-gravelking-sk-tire-700-x-32-tubeless-folding-astral-blue

This year's colors were turquoise and orange and looks like they did make 
them up to 700x43 in the SS and SK this time around though only a few 
size/color combos still seem to remain:
https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your seatpost 
> setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. Did you 
> even ask for input about your riding position because I don't recall seeing 
> that in your makeover post
>
> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I 
>> had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring 
>> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came 
>> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
>> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
>> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I 
>> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
>> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
>> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
>> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
>> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
>> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
>> lighter build on this bike.
>>
>>
>> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no 
>> particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now 
>> faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched 
>> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
>> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks 
>> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
>> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
>> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>>
>> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a 
>> more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing 
>> between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to 
>> better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>>
>> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d 
>> like between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now 
>> in rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent 
>> with at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride 
>> each at least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 30min 
>> loop.  The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things 
>> here or there and do more make-overs!
>>
>> Brian Cole
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>>> slapped them on and sent her a ph

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Slin]

Leah - 

For you Clem you might be able to lower your stem a few inches to try to 
fit it to your new preference. 

Btw, were any of your bikes fit and set up by Analog Cycles? Just curious 
if this is the ‘enlightened fit’ style. 

Slin

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 6:18:03 AM UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your seatpost 
> setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. Did you 
> even ask for input about your riding position because I don't recall seeing 
> that in your makeover post
>
> Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I 
>> had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring 
>> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came 
>> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
>> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
>> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I 
>> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
>> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
>> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
>> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
>> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
>> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
>> lighter build on this bike.
>>
>>
>> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no 
>> particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now 
>> faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched 
>> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
>> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks 
>> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
>> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
>> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>>
>> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a 
>> more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing 
>> between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to 
>> better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>>
>> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d 
>> like between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now 
>> in rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent 
>> with at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride 
>> each at least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 30min 
>> loop.  The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things 
>> here or there and do more make-overs!
>>
>> Brian Cole
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>>
>>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>>
>>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
>>> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
>>> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
>>> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
>>> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
>>> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
>>> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
>>> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
>>> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 
>>>
>>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>>
>>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>>
>>> Attached in the next p

[RBW] Re: FS: Soft Goods - Bontrager, Kitsbow, Dogbagz, Coffee Stuff, Riv MUSA

[Michael Ullmer]

Update on what's available and some price drops:

Prices are net to me and don't include shipping. Will ship using Pirateship:

1) Bontrager Commuting Knickers - Medium - $15
--I've had these for years and wore them a lot back then, but haven't 
really used them in the past 5+ years. Nice stretchy material. Shows some 
wear, but no rips.

2) Kitsbow Gray Riding Polo Medium - $25
--The tag's been cut out, so can't confirm material, but I expect its a 
merino/poly blend. Small snap pocket on the front with integrated glasses 
cleaner. No holes, tears, etc.

4) Greenlite Tool Roll - Free with any purchase
--Don't remember when I got this. Made in Seattle, pretty dirty.

5) Map Case - Free with any purchase
--Picked this up from Swift Industries at a seconds sale many years back. 
It has some velcro on it to strap it to the top of a bag/basket/etc.

6) DogBagz Pannier - $80
--Big panniers made of cordura. Made by a small bagmaker out of Seattle (
https://www.instagram.com/dog_bagz/?hl=en). One main rolltop compartment, 
one flap pocket on the outside and water bottle pocket on one side.

9) MUSA Splats - $30
--I believe these are size A. I picked these up for my partner years ago, 
she never used them though. 

10) Seagull Bags /Organizer Accessory Bag - Free with any purchase
--This came with my first Seagull Messenger Bag I bought back in the early 
2000s. Haven't used it in years.

Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WigvTXQ8oiU65G3x7

Mike in Minneapolis


On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:22:23 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Prices are net to me and don't include shipping. Will ship using 
> Pirateship:
>
> 1) Bontrager Commuting Knickers - Medium - $15
> --I've had these for years and wore them a lot back then, but haven't 
> really used them in the past 5+ years. Nice stretchy material. Shows some 
> wear, but no rips.
>
> 2) Kitsbow Gray Riding Polo Medium - $30
> --The tag's been cut out, so can't confirm material, but I expect its a 
> merino/poly blend. Small snap pocket on the front with integrated glasses 
> cleaner. No holes, tears, etc.
>
> 3) Kitsbow Henley Red/Gray S/S Shirt - $35
> --87.5% Merino, 12.5% Poly. Great condition, longer tail to cover you 
> while riding.
>
> 4) Greenlite Tool Roll - Free with any purchase
> --Don't remember when I got this. Made in Seattle, pretty dirty.
>
> 5) Map Case - Free with any purchase
> --Picked this up from Swift Industries at a seconds sale many years back. 
> It has some velcro on it to strap it to the top of a bag/basket/etc.
>
> 6) DogBagz Pannier - $100
> --Big panniers made of cordura. Made by a small bagmaker out of Seattle (
> https://www.instagram.com/dog_bagz/?hl=en). One main rolltop compartment, 
> one flap pocket on the outside and water bottle pocket on one side.
>
> 7) Soto Helix Coffee Dripper - $10
> --I switched to an aeropress for my coffee outside setup. In great shape, 
> comes with carrying case and some extra filters.
>
> 8) Titanium Tea Kettle - $10
> --Super light, works great for coffee/tea. Just downsizing my coffee 
> outside setup.
>
> 9) MUSA Splats - $30
> --I believe these are size A. I picked these up for my partner years ago, 
> she never used them though. 
>
> 10) Seagull Bags /Organizer Accessory Bag - Free with any purchase
> --This came with my first Seagull Messenger Bag I bought back in the early 
> 2000s. Haven't used it in years.
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WigvTXQ8oiU65G3x7
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
>

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[RBW] aluminum V steel rear rack

[Bernard Duhon]

Folks,
I outfitted my Waterford Tourer with aluminum rear rack .

Load was like 20 pd rear 12 pd front.  Mostly good roads w/ a little gravel for 
a week

I found it handled well.

I have an Indy Fab sport tourer converted to 650b.  I am thinking that aluminum 
  might work.
Anticipate 1 week of same touring.

What say ye?

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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Sarah Carlson]

Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your seatpost 
setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. Did you 
even ask for input about your riding position because I don't recall seeing 
that in your makeover post

Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I had 
> would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring 
> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came 
> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>
> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
>
> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I 
> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
> lighter build on this bike.
>
>
> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no 
> particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now 
> faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched 
> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks 
> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>
> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a 
> more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing 
> between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to 
> better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>
> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d like 
> between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now in 
> rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent with 
> at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride each at 
> least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 30min loop.  
> The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things here or 
> there and do more make-overs!
>
> Brian Cole
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>> thread.
>>
>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>
>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>
>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found 
>> these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t 
>> have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut 
>> saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. 
>> The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint throw out so 
>> many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in 
>> the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The 
>> stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual 
>> interest at the handlebar area. 
>>
>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>
>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>
>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Leah Peterson]

I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I had would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  wrote:Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and lighter build on this bike.I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to better match the gears and tread with terrain.I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d like between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now in rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent with at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride each at least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 30min loop.  The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things here or there and do more make-overs!Brian ColeOn Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover thread.Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, slapped them on and sent her a photo. “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me the unvarnished truth. I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. The bike looks positively tonal. The colors of the paint throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and wholly appointed to its duty.Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…Attached in the next post are the before and afters.Leah



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