Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set that I'm 
pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, and I 
appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a premier 
rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and then hard 
anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's supposed to 
be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  

Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full build at 
18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 19.99lbs 
with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will not be red. 

BL in EC

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>
>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or choose 
>> something else?
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
>>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I paid 
>>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager to 
>>> see it painted, and built up.  
>>>
>>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, and 
>>> a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant visit all 
>>> around.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 John

 I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  
 Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For kicks 
 I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  

 I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use fenders.  I 
 don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  

 I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are super 
 light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is that they 
 can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and fork with 
 those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd trust to 
 execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  

 I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue is 
 indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and Nobilettes.  
 I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he is charging what 
 he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the price I've paid.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Bill
>
> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with 
> it.  The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs.  Well worth 
> the cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems.   I'd 
> vote for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main color looks 
> best.
>
> 4 questions
> What size tire will you use??
> Sounds like you plan on using fenders.   What width are you planning 
> on??
> What brakes do you plan on using??
> What is the lead time??   I thought the last Blaugh talked about 
> closing the custom order book for a time and then starting again 
> something 
> like 1 year later
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo or a 
>> Rivendell Custom
>>
>> Yes, it's a Roadeo.  It is priced like a Roadeo, will have Roadeo 
>> graphics, and is not a custom.  I went to rivbike.com, put a 59cm 
>> Roadeo in my cart and paid for it.  Over email with Mark A, I specified 
>> a 
>> bunch of details.  They included:
>>
>> -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost options)
>> -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops are 
>> no-cost options)
>> -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there will be an 
>> upcharge)
>> -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown.  Holds the fork 
>> blades a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement.  Will not 
>> change 
>> the A-C fork length
>> -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on rear 
>> housing stop.  I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm braze on like is 
>> pictured on one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he said OK.  I 
>> don't know what I'll pay for that
>> -Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low and 
>> off-center from 6 o'clock.  Legolas slotted cable guides are at 12 
>> o'clock 
>> for two cross-racing reasons.  I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

[Bill Lindsay]

" I still haven't heard from the local builder"

You can defer actual action FOREVER with that disclaimer...  maybe that'll 
force you to think about "That Libertas". 

BL in EC
On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 5:56:33 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks -- yes, I've noticed that Surly fixed cogs are thicker in the 
> center than at the teeth. Will have to remove Monocog wheel and investigate 
> the freehub to verify the space available.
>
> I'd read the BSNYC blog and noted the QR used with the "rocker" dropouts; 
> his description actually tempted me to reconsider a 2X2 with equal teeth 
> sums, say 
>
> 32/15 and 30/17 which would give me the current 65" and a 54" deep sand or 
> long hill gear.
>
> We'll see. I still haven't heard from the local builder.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 9:20 AM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> Hey Patrick,
>> Maybe you've already completed your two-speed conversion, but if not, 
>> there is some useful info in yesterday's Bikesnob blog: 
>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2023/11/29/dingle-all-the-way/
>>
>> The key message is that the Surly single-speed cogs are thicker at the 
>> base so you could use one for your second cog without needing a spacer. It 
>> should allow the lockring to fit.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 12:42:39 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Excellent! Thank you! So there is serendipity in that the lockring 
>>> threads match standard fw threads. Very good to know.
>>>
>>> Now I can simply overhaul that cheap ss freehub -- Redline? -- and don't 
>>> have to spend $$$ for a DOS; *also* I can use the current 32 t ring 
>>> with an outer, screw-on 15 t cog for a 65" cruising gear and buy a splined 
>>> ss 17 or perhaps even 18 t cog for a 57" or even 54" sand bogging gear -- 
>>> if, that is, a QR disc rear wheel allows this.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 9:49 AM Wesley  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Patrick!
 I don't remember the hub, and I searched my email for hubs I bought in 
 2009 – I was only able to find the one I built into the front wheel. 
 However! This exercise show something loose in my head and I now recall 
 how 
 I made the monocog into a two-speed (before whatever I did to add a third 
 cog). I replaced the locking by a fixed-gear cog. Here's a text diagram:

 Your current setup has: spokes - spacer - splined cog - lockring

 Change it to: spokes - splined cog - spacer - threaded cog

 I hope this helps!
 -Wes

 On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 9:51:46 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Do you recall the hub you used with the unicycle rim? I seem to recall 
> BMX freehubs that had room for 2 cogs.
>
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 9:16 PM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, it looks marginal to get a second cog in there with a narrower 
>> spacer. According to Sheldon Brown, 9-speed cogs want a 2.54 mm spacer 
>> between the cogs: https://sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-spacing.html
>>
>> I now remember that my monocog became a three speed after I built it 
>> a pair of winter wheels (I used a pair of very wide unicycle rims for 
>> maximum float). So I probably kept the original when intact and built a 
>> new 
>> hub into the new wheel. Sorry for not remembering, the bike has been out 
>> of 
>> my life for about eight years.
>>
>> -W
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 1:17:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Wesley: Sorry, I missed this post in the thread volume.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure that my Monocog's freehub body takes only 1 cog; see 
>>> photo with single 3/32" cog and 2.5mm spacer: the splines end right 
>>> after 
>>> the spacer.
>>>
>>> Am I looking at things right? I hesitate to remove the wheel because 
>>> getting the tire exactly centered in the chainstays, with 2-3 mm 
>>> clearance 
>>> a side and the inevitable tire runout, while also adjusting chain 
>>> tension 
>>> is a pain.
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 3:56 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Patrick,
 My recollection of my monocog was that the freehub had room for 
 three cogs. I think there were spacers on the hub that covered up most 
 of 
 the free hub - remove the locking and you can do adjust the spacers as 
 necessary. If yours is the same, then you could just keep that wheel 
 and 
 put the additional cogs onto it.

 And, in case I wasn't clear in my earlier response, I think there 
 is plenty of adjustment room in the disc brakes to accommodate the 
 rear 
 axle being adjusted in the dropout.
 -Wes

 On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:44:19 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> That's interesting, and after blundering into a few search result 
> pages about money markets and currency 

[RBW] Re: Finally…….got a Saluki

[Roberta]

Gorgeous! Congratulations. 
On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 5:16:41 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Ok. Last year I sold my Bleriot to a friend who really needed a bike and 
> was grieving so I sold it to her for a good price and took refuge in my 
> steel rando bike. A red and crème saluki popped up on Facebook in my size 
> and I grabbed it. I have literally been looking for one for fifteen years 
> and was never able to find one. I will be making some changes to it so stay 
> tuned for future build photos.
>
> -Robert Blunt 
> Pennington, NJ
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Steven Sweedler]

Gary, thanks, just over 12”, Ithought it looked taller, I just  got a used
Waxwing bag that is 14”, I finally have the top of my bag level with my
bars, makes reading maps so mych easier.

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 4:19 PM 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Steven,
>
> Thanks - the bag is a standard extra large Berthoud bag from Jan Heine’s
> site. It’s about 31cm tall.
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 4:47:40 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> Gary, very noce bike, is your bag also custom or a very tall model. How
>> tall is it. Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Steven Sweedler
>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 10:32 AM 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bill - congrats on a great new addition. I did a similar build last
>>> year but went straight to Mark N (cause I have always wanted a fillet
>>> brazed frame). I asked for a geometry like my orange Ram with light tubing
>>> and clearance for big 650b tires using cantis[image:
>>> 1E3E569E-15E7-4FE2-AD26-B098E772A5B7IMG_1106.jpeg]. It is fantastic in
>>> every way and I'm sure yours will be too.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: XL Bruce Gordon BLT, MUSA racks, XTR!

[Eric M Cardella]

Update to clarify photos: Yes, those are 48mm Soma Shikoro tires in the earlier 
Bullmoose iteration. I still have them and would swap out for the Rock ‘n Roads 
if desired. No, the Bullmoose bars are sold and no longer available. See the 
last couple of photos for current build.

And here are some detail photos of the racks alone: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CGtfU71uhkEvataf9

There is some deterioration of the BG sticker on the rear rack. Otherwise, they 
are excellent condition thanks to a durable Smurf blue powdercoat!

> On Dec 2, 2023, at 2:10 PM, Eric M Cardella  wrote:
> 
> Winter sorting and garage cleaning has me thinking about (n-1)+1. 
> 
> Short version: Asking $1,300 plus shipping from Oregon for my Taiwan-built 
> Bruce Gordon BLT in battleship gray, to be sold as pictured as a complete 
> bike with BG racks (made in Petaluma, CA), or make me an offer on the 
> F/F/HS+BB plus racks. Individual parts will not be sold separately at this 
> time.
> 
> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/xvrNFrjAgx55BBqj8
> 
> Build specs include 36-hole Velocity/XT wheels, 700x43 Rock ‘n Road tires (or 
> swap for Schwalbe Marathons) and SKS plastic fenders, XTR V-brakes and 3x9 
> mech, Nitto S65 seatpost, Sachs triple 24/36/48 crankset with 11-34t XTR 
> cassette. Cockpit consists of long pull Dia-Compe levers, Dura-Ace 9-speed 
> bar-end shifters, and a 52cm Nitto RM013 hung on 80mm Nitto DirtDrop stem. 
> The racks belong on this frame and will be sold with it. I will also keep my 
> little bags, phone mount, pedals, Crane bell and Brooks saddle, please and 
> thank you.
> 
> Long version: observant Listmembers will note that I posted this bike for 
> sale back in 2021 when it was built up with a Nitto Bullmoose bar (aka, 
> “Bruce the Moose”), as can be seen in the photostream above. I got cold feet 
> then and decided to re-unbuild it as a drop bar touring bike again, as seen 
> in the last few photos. I am the original owner and have taken this bike on 3 
> weeklong tours and countless road and mixed terrain gravel rides since 2010. 
> 
> This bike was always stored indoors, has never been wrecked or dropped, and 
> there is no more than the usual beausage you might expect from a bike that 
> got well loved and ridden over the past 13 years. The bike will be cleaned 
> and thoroughly photographed prior to shipping. It’s cold and wet out today, 
> hence the quick photo shoot (with rear rack not installed but just perched on 
> the rear wheel).
> 
> PM me if you are serious and need more details. Geometry chart is in the 
> photos. The is the largest sized frame (56cm), which in Gordon’s universe 
> equates to ~61cm or XL, suitable for a tall rider. I will say it did feel a 
> bit smaller with a swept back bar, but you want to have at least 32” inseam 
> to straddle this iron horse.
> 
> Eric

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks -- yes, I've noticed that Surly fixed cogs are thicker in the center
than at the teeth. Will have to remove Monocog wheel and investigate the
freehub to verify the space available.

I'd read the BSNYC blog and noted the QR used with the "rocker" dropouts;
his description actually tempted me to reconsider a 2X2 with equal teeth
sums, say

32/15 and 30/17 which would give me the current 65" and a 54" deep sand or
long hill gear.

We'll see. I still haven't heard from the local builder.


On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 9:20 AM Wesley  wrote:

> Hey Patrick,
> Maybe you've already completed your two-speed conversion, but if not,
> there is some useful info in yesterday's Bikesnob blog:
> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2023/11/29/dingle-all-the-way/
>
> The key message is that the Surly single-speed cogs are thicker at the
> base so you could use one for your second cog without needing a spacer. It
> should allow the lockring to fit.
> -Wes
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 12:42:39 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Excellent! Thank you! So there is serendipity in that the lockring
>> threads match standard fw threads. Very good to know.
>>
>> Now I can simply overhaul that cheap ss freehub -- Redline? -- and don't
>> have to spend $$$ for a DOS; *also* I can use the current 32 t ring with
>> an outer, screw-on 15 t cog for a 65" cruising gear and buy a splined ss 17
>> or perhaps even 18 t cog for a 57" or even 54" sand bogging gear -- if,
>> that is, a QR disc rear wheel allows this.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 9:49 AM Wesley  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Patrick!
>>> I don't remember the hub, and I searched my email for hubs I bought in
>>> 2009 – I was only able to find the one I built into the front wheel.
>>> However! This exercise show something loose in my head and I now recall how
>>> I made the monocog into a two-speed (before whatever I did to add a third
>>> cog). I replaced the locking by a fixed-gear cog. Here's a text diagram:
>>>
>>> Your current setup has: spokes - spacer - splined cog - lockring
>>>
>>> Change it to: spokes - splined cog - spacer - threaded cog
>>>
>>> I hope this helps!
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 9:51:46 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Do you recall the hub you used with the unicycle rim? I seem to recall
 BMX freehubs that had room for 2 cogs.

 On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 9:16 PM Wesley  wrote:

> Yeah, it looks marginal to get a second cog in there with a narrower
> spacer. According to Sheldon Brown, 9-speed cogs want a 2.54 mm spacer
> between the cogs: https://sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-spacing.html
>
> I now remember that my monocog became a three speed after I built it a
> pair of winter wheels (I used a pair of very wide unicycle rims for 
> maximum
> float). So I probably kept the original when intact and built a new hub
> into the new wheel. Sorry for not remembering, the bike has been out of my
> life for about eight years.
>
> -W
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 1:17:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Wesley: Sorry, I missed this post in the thread volume.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that my Monocog's freehub body takes only 1 cog; see
>> photo with single 3/32" cog and 2.5mm spacer: the splines end right after
>> the spacer.
>>
>> Am I looking at things right? I hesitate to remove the wheel because
>> getting the tire exactly centered in the chainstays, with 2-3 mm 
>> clearance
>> a side and the inevitable tire runout, while also adjusting chain tension
>> is a pain.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 3:56 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Patrick,
>>> My recollection of my monocog was that the freehub had room for
>>> three cogs. I think there were spacers on the hub that covered up most 
>>> of
>>> the free hub - remove the locking and you can do adjust the spacers as
>>> necessary. If yours is the same, then you could just keep that wheel and
>>> put the additional cogs onto it.
>>>
>>> And, in case I wasn't clear in my earlier response, I think there is
>>> plenty of adjustment room in the disc brakes to accommodate the rear 
>>> axle
>>> being adjusted in the dropout.
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:44:19 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's interesting, and after blundering into a few search result
 pages about money markets and currency conversion I got:

 http://www.monebikes.com/read-me/

 But he says nothing about adjustable chainstays,

 Still, he does talk about weird possibilities like 3" tires and
 drop bars, so I must investigate.

 Really, though, to conclude this question, it seems that I can
 either have a very simple bike with disc brakes as long as it's a 
 single
 speed, or I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[John Bokman]

Excellent shot, John!

John B
Portland OR

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 4:05:22 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Somewhere in the middle of Nevada...
> [image: IMG_2546.jpeg]
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 12:40:28 PM UTC-8 coco...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric: Thanks! The front fender rubs constantly lol, but otherwise it is 
>> too handy!
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:09 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Love those fendered fat tires, Coco!  :o) 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:04:55 PM UTC-5 coco...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Some from October in Squamish BC!

 On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 9:33:53 AM UTC-8 wrongw...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Tally-ho! 
>
> An early test run of my nearly-new (and absolutely new-to-me) 62cm 
> 2018 Rivendell Joe Appaloosa. The bike provides a super stable and cushy 
> ride, which I relish, but currently is a slight "work in progress" in 
> terms 
> of bars, racks, and other fitments. To be deployed in the future, some 
> first generation Crust Towel Rack bars, Shimano bar-end shifters, Tektro 
> brake levers, a rear Nitto Campee rack, and various tire packages. 
>
> This particular ride was along the White River State Trail, a section 
> of the former Milwaukee Road rail corridor in southeast Wisconsin, which 
> runs from Elkhorn in Walworth County, 19 miles eastward to Dover in 
> Racine 
> County, with a gap at Burlington. A section of the trail sits due north 
> of 
> the Wisconsin resort community of Lake Geneva ("Chicagoland's 
> playground"). 
> The first image was taken about a mile west of the Burlington trailhead, 
> on 
> the utility bridge a tad off the trail and perpendicular to it. The 
> bridge 
> spans the White River and allows the farm in the northern distance to 
> trundle its vehicles across the river and the east-west running trail 
> itself and so to access the fields on the southern side of the trail. It 
> is 
> a peaceful spot from which to watch the river meander and to espy Johnny 
> and Mary Muskrat as they sally forth from their watery den.
>
> [image: DSC00998 - Copy.JPG]
> The next three photos were taken in tiny and bucolic Springfield, 
> approximately six miles from the western start of the trail in Elkhorn, 
> along State Trunk Road 120 and Depot Street. The old Springfield Lumber, 
> Feed & Fuel Co. buildings along the former railbed now serve as Pedal & 
> Cup's bike rental depot. Note the bicycle shadow cast from the sign in 
> the 
> upper-right hand side of the image.
>
> [image: DSC00999 - Copy.JPG]
>
> [image: DSC01010 - Copy.JPG]
>
> Across the road from the Lumber Company resides the former Milwaukee 
> Road train depot, preserved pretty much in its original 1911 livery, but 
> now used not to sell tickets and ship steamer trunks but to purvey Pedal 
> & 
> Cup's delicious ice cream and coffee (alas, closed for the season).
>
>
> [image: DSC01011 - Copy.JPG]
>
> Should any leisurely-minded and lollygagging-inclined fellow Rivendell 
> enthusiasts within reach wish to come together for a party-paced ride 
> some 
> uncharacteristically balmy autumn day or sometime come Spring, do let me 
> know. Cheese-and-watercress sandwiches and bergamot-infused tea shall be 
> on 
> the menu. 
>
>
> Cheerio,
>
>
> Peter (aka "Wrongway Pete")
> Whitewater, Wisconsin
>
> *"For here is entertainment in excelsis, the sight, the sound and the 
> scent of thingsWhy cycling for joy is not the most popular passtime 
> on 
> earth is still a mystery to me." ---Frank J. Urry, "SALUTE TO CYCLING"*
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Steven,

Thanks - the bag is a standard extra large Berthoud bag from Jan Heine’s 
site. It’s about 31cm tall.

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 4:47:40 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Gary, very noce bike, is your bag also custom or a very tall model. How 
> tall is it. Thanks, 
>
>
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 10:32 AM 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Bill - congrats on a great new addition. I did a similar build last 
>> year but went straight to Mark N (cause I have always wanted a fillet 
>> brazed frame). I asked for a geometry like my orange Ram with light tubing 
>> and clearance for big 650b tires using cantis[image: 
>> 1E3E569E-15E7-4FE2-AD26-B098E772A5B7IMG_1106.jpeg]. It is fantastic in 
>> every way and I'm sure yours will be too.
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[RBW] Re: Finally…….got a Saluki

[John Rinker]

Very beautiful bicycle Robert, and a 15-year wait seems about right for 
such a score. Enjoy!

Cheers, John

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 3:48:50 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Oh, wow!!! It’s even red and cream, oh I love it!!! I really hope you’ll 
> tell us more and show us the changes when you make them!
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 6:28:20 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Congrats! Love it. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 5:16:41 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:
>>
>>> Ok. Last year I sold my Bleriot to a friend who really needed a bike and 
>>> was grieving so I sold it to her for a good price and took refuge in my 
>>> steel rando bike. A red and crème saluki popped up on Facebook in my size 
>>> and I grabbed it. I have literally been looking for one for fifteen years 
>>> and was never able to find one. I will be making some changes to it so stay 
>>> tuned for future build photos.
>>>
>>> -Robert Blunt 
>>> Pennington, NJ
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Finally…….got a Saluki

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Oh, wow!!! It’s even red and cream, oh I love it!!! I really hope you’ll 
tell us more and show us the changes when you make them!

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 6:28:20 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> Congrats! Love it. 
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 5:16:41 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:
>
>> Ok. Last year I sold my Bleriot to a friend who really needed a bike and 
>> was grieving so I sold it to her for a good price and took refuge in my 
>> steel rando bike. A red and crème saluki popped up on Facebook in my size 
>> and I grabbed it. I have literally been looking for one for fifteen years 
>> and was never able to find one. I will be making some changes to it so stay 
>> tuned for future build photos.
>>
>> -Robert Blunt 
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
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[RBW] Re: Finally…….got a Saluki

[Josh C]

Congrats! Love it. 

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 5:16:41 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Ok. Last year I sold my Bleriot to a friend who really needed a bike and 
> was grieving so I sold it to her for a good price and took refuge in my 
> steel rando bike. A red and crème saluki popped up on Facebook in my size 
> and I grabbed it. I have literally been looking for one for fifteen years 
> and was never able to find one. I will be making some changes to it so stay 
> tuned for future build photos.
>
> -Robert Blunt 
> Pennington, NJ
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[RBW] FS: XL Bruce Gordon BLT, MUSA racks, XTR!

[Eric M Cardella]

Winter sorting and garage cleaning has me thinking about (n-1)+1. 

Short version: Asking $1,300 plus shipping from Oregon for my Taiwan-built 
Bruce Gordon BLT in battleship gray, to be sold as pictured as a complete bike 
with BG racks (made in Petaluma, CA), or make me an offer on the F/F/HS+BB plus 
racks. Individual parts will not be sold separately at this time.

Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/xvrNFrjAgx55BBqj8

Build specs include 36-hole Velocity/XT wheels, 700x43 Rock ‘n Road tires (or 
swap for Schwalbe Marathons) and SKS plastic fenders, XTR V-brakes and 3x9 
mech, Nitto S65 seatpost, Sachs triple 24/36/48 crankset with 11-34t XTR 
cassette. Cockpit consists of long pull Dia-Compe levers, Dura-Ace 9-speed 
bar-end shifters, and a 52cm Nitto RM013 hung on 80mm Nitto DirtDrop stem. The 
racks belong on this frame and will be sold with it. I will also keep my little 
bags, phone mount, pedals, Crane bell and Brooks saddle, please and thank you.

Long version: observant Listmembers will note that I posted this bike for sale 
back in 2021 when it was built up with a Nitto Bullmoose bar (aka, “Bruce the 
Moose”), as can be seen in the photostream above. I got cold feet then and 
decided to re-unbuild it as a drop bar touring bike again, as seen in the last 
few photos. I am the original owner and have taken this bike on 3 weeklong 
tours and countless road and mixed terrain gravel rides since 2010. 

This bike was always stored indoors, has never been wrecked or dropped, and 
there is no more than the usual beausage you might expect from a bike that got 
well loved and ridden over the past 13 years. The bike will be cleaned and 
thoroughly photographed prior to shipping. It’s cold and wet out today, hence 
the quick photo shoot (with rear rack not installed but just perched on the 
rear wheel).

PM me if you are serious and need more details. Geometry chart is in the 
photos. The is the largest sized frame (56cm), which in Gordon’s universe 
equates to ~61cm or XL, suitable for a tall rider. I will say it did feel a bit 
smaller with a swept back bar, but you want to have at least 32” inseam to 
straddle this iron horse.

Eric

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[RBW] ISO 132 x 700 rear wheel in East Bay

[Berkeleyan]

I need to give up on straightening the rear wheel on my wife's old B-Stone 
X0-5, it's just not happening. Does anyone in Berkeley/Oakland/Albany 
environs have a 132 rear wheel they would like to sell? Good condition, 
straight spokes, runs true? She has a 7-speed cassette cluster (not a free 
wheel) on it now, the current rim is about 24mm wide.

Thanks!

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] ISO/WTB: SILVER Soma High Rider XL Quill Stem Riser 28.6/22.2 x 290mm

[Kim H.]

 

I have scoured the internet to find a silver Soma High Rider XL Quill Stem 
Adapter 28.6/22.2 (290mm) to no avail here in the states. They are all 
black in color. However, I did find one in Toronto, Ontario, Canada at 
Ubane Cyclist. They will not ship into the United States as their policy . 
She told me to contact the distributor.

https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/soma-high-rider-xl-quill-28-6-22-2-290mm-4984#attr=2884

 I recently sent an email of inquiry to Soma Fab as when one would be 
available. In the meantime, I am putting out a search.

 If anyone has one has a silver riser lying around in their parts drawer, I 
would be very interested in buying it from you.

 Thank-you.

 Kim Hetzel.

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[RBW] ISO/WTB: SILVER Soma High Rider XL Quill Stem Riser 28.6/22.2 x 290mm

[Kim H.]

 

I have scoured the internet to find a silver Soma High Rider XL Quill Stem 
Adapter 28.6/22.2 (290mm) to no avail here in the states. They are all 
black in color. However, I did find one in Toronto, Ontario, Canada at 
Ubane Cyclist. They will not ship into the United States as their policy . 
She told me to contact the distributor.

I recently sent an email of inquiry as when one would be available. In the 
meantime, I am putting out a search.

If anyone has a silver riser lying around in their parts drawer, I would be 
very interested in buying it from you.

Thank-you.

Kim Hetzel.

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Greg J]

Bill, You have an eclectic and wide ranging taste in bikes, and I am often 
surprised by your choices.  So I can’t wait to see where this one fits in 
your spectrum of rides. 

Greg

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 6:45:33 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my Cantilever 
> Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I paid them a 
> visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager to see it 
> painted, and built up.  
>
> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, and a 
> few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant visit all 
> around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> John
>>
>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  Rene 
>> Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For kicks I'll 
>> probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  
>>
>> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use fenders.  I 
>> don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  
>>
>> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are super 
>> light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is that they 
>> can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and fork with 
>> those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd trust to 
>> execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  
>>
>> I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue is 
>> indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and Nobilettes.  
>> I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he is charging what 
>> he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the price I've paid.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with it.  
>>> The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs.  Well worth the 
>>> cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems.   I'd vote 
>>> for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main color looks best.
>>>
>>> 4 questions
>>> What size tire will you use??
>>> Sounds like you plan on using fenders.   What width are you planning on??
>>> What brakes do you plan on using??
>>> What is the lead time??   I thought the last Blaugh talked about closing 
>>> the custom order book for a time and then starting again something like 1 
>>> year later
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo or a 
 Rivendell Custom

 Yes, it's a Roadeo.  It is priced like a Roadeo, will have Roadeo 
 graphics, and is not a custom.  I went to rivbike.com, put a 59cm 
 Roadeo in my cart and paid for it.  Over email with Mark A, I specified a 
 bunch of details.  They included:

 -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost options)
 -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops are no-cost 
 options)
 -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there will be an 
 upcharge)
 -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown.  Holds the fork blades 
 a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement.  Will not change the A-C 
 fork length
 -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on rear 
 housing stop.  I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm braze on like is 
 pictured on one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he said OK.  I 
 don't know what I'll pay for that
 -Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low and 
 off-center from 6 o'clock.  Legolas slotted cable guides are at 12 o'clock 
 for two cross-racing reasons.  I asked for mine off center up top, biased 
 to the non-drive side
 -fender attach points (no cost option)

 BL in EC  

 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:56:09 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full custom?  Threaded 
> or threadless? Can't wait to see it!
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Mike
>>
>> You are right that there are gatekeepers.  In this case, the 
>> gatekeepers are Grant and Mark A.  Grant's main thing is if you buy a 
>> Roadeo, and they put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo.  I asked 
>> them 
>> about the concept in principal back in 2020, and I was only like 60/40 
>> that 
>> they would say yes, but they said OK at that time.  This week, I gave 
>> Mark 
>> A my full list of details, and Mark A cleared all of them, so I paid for 
>> it.  Now I'll wait and ride the other bikes in the 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Ryan]

Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or choose 
> something else?
>
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my Cantilever 
>> Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I paid them a 
>> visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager to see it 
>> painted, and built up.  
>>
>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, and a 
>> few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant visit all 
>> around.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  Rene 
>>> Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For kicks I'll 
>>> probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  
>>>
>>> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use fenders.  I 
>>> don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  
>>>
>>> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are super 
>>> light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is that they 
>>> can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and fork with 
>>> those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd trust to 
>>> execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  
>>>
>>> I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue is 
>>> indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and Nobilettes.  
>>> I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he is charging what 
>>> he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the price I've paid.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 Bill

 The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with it.  
 The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs.  Well worth the 
 cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems.   I'd vote 
 for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main color looks best.

 4 questions
 What size tire will you use??
 Sounds like you plan on using fenders.   What width are you planning 
 on??
 What brakes do you plan on using??
 What is the lead time??   I thought the last Blaugh talked about 
 closing the custom order book for a time and then starting again something 
 like 1 year later

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ


 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo or a 
> Rivendell Custom
>
> Yes, it's a Roadeo.  It is priced like a Roadeo, will have Roadeo 
> graphics, and is not a custom.  I went to rivbike.com, put a 59cm 
> Roadeo in my cart and paid for it.  Over email with Mark A, I specified a 
> bunch of details.  They included:
>
> -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost options)
> -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops are no-cost 
> options)
> -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there will be an 
> upcharge)
> -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown.  Holds the fork 
> blades a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement.  Will not change 
> the A-C fork length
> -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on rear 
> housing stop.  I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm braze on like is 
> pictured on one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he said OK.  I 
> don't know what I'll pay for that
> -Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low and 
> off-center from 6 o'clock.  Legolas slotted cable guides are at 12 
> o'clock 
> for two cross-racing reasons.  I asked for mine off center up top, biased 
> to the non-drive side
> -fender attach points (no cost option)
>
> BL in EC  
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:56:09 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full custom?  
>> Threaded or threadless? Can't wait to see it!
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> You are right that there are gatekeepers.  In this case, the 
>>> gatekeepers are Grant and Mark A.  Grant's main thing is if you buy a 
>>> Roadeo, and they put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo.  I asked 
>>> them 
>>> about the concept in principal back in 2020, and I was only like 60/40 
>>> that 
>>> they would say yes, but they said OK at 

[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr 52cm "H" blue frameset

[ian m]

I can add a Rich-built velocity synergy w/ Deore wheelset and WTB Horizon 
tires (as seen in original photo of complete bike, lots of life left but 
rear tire is very dirty) for $250, if desired.
F/F/HS/BB - $800
Wheelset and tires - $250 (only with frame)
Clem rear rack - $50 (only with frame)

To answer a couple questions I've received: My PBH is 83, I was riding with 
Albatross and a 10cm tallux, before that I has standard bullmoose which 
were rad but a little long for my reach. Yes I will ship, my LBS will 
package and you can choose the bikeflights shipping rate (ground, next day 
air etc) and I won't charge "handling" or anything.

On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 4:50:05 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:

> Here's an album. Sorry for the weird setting but it's gray and sad outside 
> for the next few months so I thought I'd get better lighting inside work. 
> Hit me up with any questions!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/cRnWTwxHaWeoE5Wd8
>
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 6:04:05 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:
>
>> Frame, fork, headset (cool rinko design), bb, seatpost. $800 OBO plus 
>> bikeflights shipping, or maybe we can arrange pickup say 200ish mile radius 
>> from Pittsburgh PA.
>> Frameset is in great shape, some lovely beausage but no dents or serious 
>> marring. First and only owner. I still need to borrow a crankpuller and 
>> heatgun (to remove the stickers) so I don't have current pics of just the 
>> frameset, but I will happily DM many before payment. Stickers and shellac'd 
>> chainstay protector will be carefully and lovingly removed prior to 
>> thorough frame cleaning. The Pletscher/Clem rear rack with pannier rails 
>> can be added for another $50, no other parts are included. In the unlikely 
>> event you have a Homer or Hillborne frameset you're looking to move, let's 
>> make a deal.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0776.JPG]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS. Brooks B67 & 68

[Steve]

B68 has been spoken for.

On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 6:07:13 PM UTC-5 jaredwilson wrote:

> PM sent
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 3:06:43 PM UTC-8 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Will take the b68
>>
>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I let the pics cover up most of the text. Dumb!
>>>
>>>
>>> B67: Very good condition. Used for no more than 500 miles. Leather has 
>>> not required re-tensioning. Nice thick hide. Asking $70.  
>>>
>>>
>>> B68: This one has been ridden a bit more and has been re-tensioned ~ 1 
>>> rotation of the tension bolt. Leather is in good shape, though not quite as 
>>> robust as the 67. Asking $40.
>>>
>>>
>>> Will do both for $95. Buyer covers shipping cost from North Carolina (if 
>>> interested PM with your zip code and I'll have the packaging store give me 
>>> a quote).  I'm in Asheville, NC; happy to arrange for pick up.  Will accept 
>>> PayPal (friends & family). Thanks for looking. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 6:01:31 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>>>
 [image: FullSizeR.jpeg][image: IMG_1764.jpeg]B67: Very good condition. 
 Used for no more than 500 miles. Leather has not required re-tensioning. 
 Nice thick hide. Asking $70.  


 B68: This one has been ridden a bit more and has been re-tensioned ~ 1 
 rotation of the tension bolt. Leather is in good shape, though not quite 
 as 
 robust as the 67. Asking $40.


 Will do both for $95. Buyer covers shipping cost from North Carolina 
 (if interested PM with your zip code and I'll have the packaging store 
 give 
 me a quote).  I'm in Asheville, NC; happy to arrange for pick up.  Will 
 accept PayPal (friends & family). Thanks for looking. 


 Steve
 [image: IMG_1771 copy.jpeg]


 [image: IMG_1770.jpeg]
 [image: IMG_1767.jpeg]
 [image: IMG_1766.jpeg]
 [image: IMG_1765.jpeg]

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[George Schick]

You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or choose 
something else?


On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my Cantilever 
> Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I paid them a 
> visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager to see it 
> painted, and built up.  
>
> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, and a 
> few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant visit all 
> around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> John
>>
>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  Rene 
>> Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For kicks I'll 
>> probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  
>>
>> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use fenders.  I 
>> don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  
>>
>> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are super 
>> light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is that they 
>> can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and fork with 
>> those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd trust to 
>> execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  
>>
>> I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue is 
>> indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and Nobilettes.  
>> I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he is charging what 
>> he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the price I've paid.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with it.  
>>> The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs.  Well worth the 
>>> cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems.   I'd vote 
>>> for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main color looks best.
>>>
>>> 4 questions
>>> What size tire will you use??
>>> Sounds like you plan on using fenders.   What width are you planning on??
>>> What brakes do you plan on using??
>>> What is the lead time??   I thought the last Blaugh talked about closing 
>>> the custom order book for a time and then starting again something like 1 
>>> year later
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo or a 
 Rivendell Custom

 Yes, it's a Roadeo.  It is priced like a Roadeo, will have Roadeo 
 graphics, and is not a custom.  I went to rivbike.com, put a 59cm 
 Roadeo in my cart and paid for it.  Over email with Mark A, I specified a 
 bunch of details.  They included:

 -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost options)
 -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops are no-cost 
 options)
 -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there will be an 
 upcharge)
 -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown.  Holds the fork blades 
 a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement.  Will not change the A-C 
 fork length
 -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on rear 
 housing stop.  I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm braze on like is 
 pictured on one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he said OK.  I 
 don't know what I'll pay for that
 -Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low and 
 off-center from 6 o'clock.  Legolas slotted cable guides are at 12 o'clock 
 for two cross-racing reasons.  I asked for mine off center up top, biased 
 to the non-drive side
 -fender attach points (no cost option)

 BL in EC  

 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:56:09 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full custom?  Threaded 
> or threadless? Can't wait to see it!
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Mike
>>
>> You are right that there are gatekeepers.  In this case, the 
>> gatekeepers are Grant and Mark A.  Grant's main thing is if you buy a 
>> Roadeo, and they put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo.  I asked 
>> them 
>> about the concept in principal back in 2020, and I was only like 60/40 
>> that 
>> they would say yes, but they said OK at that time.  This week, I gave 
>> Mark 
>> A my full list of details, and Mark A cleared all of them, so I paid for 
>> it.  Now I'll wait and ride the other bikes in the stable...  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:12:39 PM 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my Cantilever 
Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I paid them a 
visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager to see it 
painted, and built up.  

On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, and a 
few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant visit all 
around.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> John
>
> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  Rene 
> Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For kicks I'll 
> probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  
>
> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use fenders.  I 
> don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  
>
> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are super 
> light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is that they 
> can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and fork with 
> those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd trust to 
> execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  
>
> I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue is 
> indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and Nobilettes.  
> I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he is charging what 
> he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the price I've paid.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> Bill
>>
>> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with it.  
>> The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs.  Well worth the 
>> cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems.   I'd vote 
>> for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main color looks best.
>>
>> 4 questions
>> What size tire will you use??
>> Sounds like you plan on using fenders.   What width are you planning on??
>> What brakes do you plan on using??
>> What is the lead time??   I thought the last Blaugh talked about closing 
>> the custom order book for a time and then starting again something like 1 
>> year later
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo or a 
>>> Rivendell Custom
>>>
>>> Yes, it's a Roadeo.  It is priced like a Roadeo, will have Roadeo 
>>> graphics, and is not a custom.  I went to rivbike.com, put a 59cm 
>>> Roadeo in my cart and paid for it.  Over email with Mark A, I specified a 
>>> bunch of details.  They included:
>>>
>>> -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost options)
>>> -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops are no-cost 
>>> options)
>>> -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there will be an 
>>> upcharge)
>>> -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown.  Holds the fork blades 
>>> a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement.  Will not change the A-C 
>>> fork length
>>> -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on rear housing 
>>> stop.  I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm braze on like is pictured on 
>>> one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he said OK.  I don't know what 
>>> I'll pay for that
>>> -Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low and 
>>> off-center from 6 o'clock.  Legolas slotted cable guides are at 12 o'clock 
>>> for two cross-racing reasons.  I asked for mine off center up top, biased 
>>> to the non-drive side
>>> -fender attach points (no cost option)
>>>
>>> BL in EC  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:56:09 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full custom?  Threaded 
 or threadless? Can't wait to see it!

 Toshi


 On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Mike
>
> You are right that there are gatekeepers.  In this case, the 
> gatekeepers are Grant and Mark A.  Grant's main thing is if you buy a 
> Roadeo, and they put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo.  I asked them 
> about the concept in principal back in 2020, and I was only like 60/40 
> that 
> they would say yes, but they said OK at that time.  This week, I gave 
> Mark 
> A my full list of details, and Mark A cleared all of them, so I paid for 
> it.  Now I'll wait and ride the other bikes in the stable...  
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:12:39 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> That sounds really neat Bill. I was always under the impression that 
>> a canti-roa may not fly with gate keepers at Riv. But since it is a 
>> custom 
>> from Riv and you are staying with the Riv design principles then it is 
>> go. 
>>