Re: [RBW] PSA: Classic TA Zephyr Triple Touring Crankset 172.5 - eBay auction

[Andrew Letton]

 Wow! That is a rare one! I've never before seen a crankset with both 74mm and 
58mm (or is it 56mm?) inner ring patterns.Has anyone else ever made such a 
crankset?cheers,Andrew in Sydney
On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 01:34:55 PM GMT+11, Kim H. 
 wrote:  
 
 Here is currently an eBay auction for fine and rare triple crankset:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/126181646585?hash=item1d610320f9:g:6vcAAOSwGTBlT-uC=enc%3AAQAI8KzA33vnBXsDG%2F1RiID%2BMqbW42cokDpl8JpwC1jxJEzfBhclfArnXKM3RPrHYQJUuFgXooLS8Q5r8dDNoj5Vv%2Fw5f9lCAli%2FAbO5GBMTbCq13Q10Sl%2FAkagOJPL3PTjouSs5sCvDEe%2BKU5X16w4BF3Er91BCDiFgYBtm4CHwkLpaSfkzF%2FqbxiZ3L9sd2eMl52vEPDLOdqV61CXGEaxhu9FpUgSdgmzcWA%2Fm4R9X1EmYIDD08HLVm3fU2Md6qWnvE8pFyKZfF4mWM05fI0fUhsxkKT9xacLNLZUNKN80KYJ42GvPj2h3660xLnAa1MEoBA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6zZpPSIYw
I have no interest.
Kim Hetzel happy with my crankset and gearing. 2x9.


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Re: [RBW] ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

Ahmed,
That is a nice color too. I will message you privately.
Doug

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 9:12:41 PM UTC-5 aelga...@castilleja.org 
wrote:

> Hi Doug,
> I’m willing to sell my mermaid 54 complete if that interests you. I’m in 
> the SF Bay Area but I’ve sold on here before and shipped via bike flights 
> and my LBS. It’s barely been ridden and has some nice higher end parts. 
>
> Best
> Ahmed in Redwood Shores
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 5:28 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>> Doug Hansford
>> Athens, Ga
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[RBW] PSA: Classic TA Zephyr Triple Touring Crankset 172.5 - eBay auction

[Kim H.]

Here is currently an eBay auction for fine and rare triple crankset:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/126181646585?hash=item1d610320f9:g:6vcAAOSwGTBlT-uC=enc%3AAQAI8KzA33vnBXsDG%2F1RiID%2BMqbW42cokDpl8JpwC1jxJEzfBhclfArnXKM3RPrHYQJUuFgXooLS8Q5r8dDNoj5Vv%2Fw5f9lCAli%2FAbO5GBMTbCq13Q10Sl%2FAkagOJPL3PTjouSs5sCvDEe%2BKU5X16w4BF3Er91BCDiFgYBtm4CHwkLpaSfkzF%2FqbxiZ3L9sd2eMl52vEPDLOdqV61CXGEaxhu9FpUgSdgmzcWA%2Fm4R9X1EmYIDD08HLVm3fU2Md6qWnvE8pFyKZfF4mWM05fI0fUhsxkKT9xacLNLZUNKN80KYJ42GvPj2h3660xLnAa1MEoBA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6zZpPSIYw

I have no interest.

Kim Hetzel happy with my crankset and gearing. 2x9.

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[RBW] Free: Rivendell Reader 42

[Ginz]

Rivendell Reader #42, original copy, good condition.

I found an extra on my shelf.  

First response takes it, free.

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[RBW] ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

Frameset or complete would work. 
Doug Hansford
Athens, Ga

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Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Patrick Moore]

This suggestion reminds me of the "pseudo Ram" that someone on the boblist
posted 10 or 15 years ago on a thread about beater commuters. It was, IIRC,
a decent UJB or bike book sports tourer built up nicely but cheaply with
the frame very elegantly and completely wrapped in first-ed-Ram orange duct
tape. In fact, dim memories stir in my back-brain to tell me it might have
been cyclofiend ...?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 4:30 PM Greg J  wrote:

> Another suggestion for your consideration is to cover up the downtube
> "Atlantis" logo with color-matching tape. Of course, you may not wish to,
> but I think that would deter at least some thieves - they can't do
> real-time research by looking up what an Atlantis is worth.  I used to do
> this back in the day with my Ritchey MTB.
>
> Greg
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:23:27 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>
>> That Ogre is ready to go, nice! I wouldn't consider commuting on the Hunq
>> either but I do ride it like anything else.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:10:16 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_3203.jpeg]I get more compliments on my Ogre than my Riv’s
>>> as well! I’ve got one like your Hunq but in green. I’d never take that
>>> commuting. Not so much for it getting stolen but folks not being gentle
>>> when they lock up their bikes. And honestly, getting it stolen.
>>> They salt the roads here as well. I’d never take my Riv’s after a storm.
>>>
>>> I recently bought a fairly nice Trek FX for my daughter. Low-mid level
>>> Shimano components. Everything works well. Has fender and rack mounts. All
>>> for $50! It’s a nice riding bike. And probably something I’d consider if I
>>> needed a cheap, nice-riding commuter. Especially for the salty winter
>>> months.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:09:56 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for
 its intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may
 be a bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool
 and not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you
 commute on a Rivendell Ginz?


 Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I
 moved and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code
 as my residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s
 not a cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to
 worry about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times.


 Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that
 killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least
 here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my
 daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your
 bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube?


 Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on
 the drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you
 have the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in
 the wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time.


 Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside.
 I do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to
 steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly,
 all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is
 just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the
 mornings to show up covered in road sludge.


 B - I agree


 Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in
 critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out
 of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews
 and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package
 haul’n

 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago
> - ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to
> the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while
> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had 
> re-geared
> and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well,
> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.
>
> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter
> months (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the
> streets there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces 
> than
> I would theft.
>
> BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for
> that matter, as a 1st 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Greg J]

Another suggestion for your consideration is to cover up the downtube 
"Atlantis" logo with color-matching tape. Of course, you may not wish to, 
but I think that would deter at least some thieves - they can't do 
real-time research by looking up what an Atlantis is worth.  I used to do 
this back in the day with my Ritchey MTB.

Greg  

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:23:27 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> That Ogre is ready to go, nice! I wouldn't consider commuting on the Hunq 
> either but I do ride it like anything else. 
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:10:16 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_3203.jpeg]I get more compliments on my Ogre than my Riv’s as 
>> well! I’ve got one like your Hunq but in green. I’d never take that 
>> commuting. Not so much for it getting stolen but folks not being gentle 
>> when they lock up their bikes. And honestly, getting it stolen. 
>> They salt the roads here as well. I’d never take my Riv’s after a storm. 
>>
>> I recently bought a fairly nice Trek FX for my daughter. Low-mid level 
>> Shimano components. Everything works well. Has fender and rack mounts. All 
>> for $50! It’s a nice riding bike. And probably something I’d consider if I 
>> needed a cheap, nice-riding commuter. Especially for the salty winter 
>> months. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:09:56 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>>  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for 
>>> its intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may 
>>> be a bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool 
>>> and not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you 
>>> commute on a Rivendell Ginz? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved 
>>> and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
>>> residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
>>> cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
>>> about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
>>> killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
>>> here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
>>> daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
>>> bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on 
>>> the drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you 
>>> have the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in 
>>> the wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. 
>>> I do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to 
>>> steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, 
>>> all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is 
>>> just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the 
>>> mornings to show up covered in road sludge. 
>>>
>>>
>>> B - I agree
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
>>> critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
>>> of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
>>> and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
>>> haul’n 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
 ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
 the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
 working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had 
 re-geared 
 and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
 handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.

 BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter 
 months (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the 
 streets there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces 
 than 
 I would theft.

 BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
 matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
 backsliding into 3rd World status.
 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the 
> bike into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab 
> now 
> used as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he 
> gave me a key to the outside utility closet. I had 

[RBW] PSA 1997 Rivendell Road Custom 58cm

['William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just a heads up, bikejerks on IG in Minneapolis has a cool Rivendell Road 
Custom for sale for $2600. Jeff Frane is the seller, has worked in the 
industry and seems to do a nice job with his builds and shipping.  From his 
add...

For Sale: $2600 obo
1997 Rivendell Custom Road
ST 58cm ctc
TT 58.5cm ctc
Standover 820mm
Ready to rip, this thing is a stone classic.
Waterford made of Reynolds 753 with 531 Fork Blades
Richard Sachs designed lugs. It currently sits on 650b wheels. Schmidt 
Dynamo front hub, rear XT hub, Velo Orange rims. Rene Herse 650x42 (looks 
like 38mm Loup Loups) tires. Velo Orange Grand Cru Cranks 170mm. XTR 9 
speed rear derailleur, XT front, wide range Sram cassette. Dia Compe 
brakes, Tektro Levers, Tange headset, Nitto bars and stem, Campy aero post, 
Brooks B17 saddle.
Pedals not included. Located in Minneapolis and shipping worldwide

My size, but redundant for me. 

Will in Minneapolis

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Ryan]

Excited to see the big reveal when it happens
On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week 
> for paint
> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to let 
> me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond 
> excited about that.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the 
>> big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
>> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
>> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.  In 
>>> my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've 
>>> been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and 
>>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give them 
>>> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, Ca
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
 your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
 promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
> that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
> and 
> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
> premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
> then 
> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
> supposed 
> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>
> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 
> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will 
> not 
> be red. 
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
>>> choose something else?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
 Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I 
 paid 
 them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
 eager to 
 see it painted, and built up.  

 On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, 
 and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant 
 visit 
 all around.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> John
>
> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm 
> tubulars.  Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass 
> (622-35).  
> For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike 
> (622-38).  
>
> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use 
> fenders.  I don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  
>
> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are 
> super light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion 
> is that 
> they can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and 
> fork 
> with those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd 
> trust 
> to execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  
>
> I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's 
> queue is indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and 
> Nobilettes.  I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope 
> he is 
> charging what he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the 
> price 
> I've paid.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak 
> wrote:
>
>> Bill
>>
>> The 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Josh C]

That Ogre is ready to go, nice! I wouldn't consider commuting on the Hunq 
either but I do ride it like anything else. 

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:10:16 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:

> [image: IMG_3203.jpeg]I get more compliments on my Ogre than my Riv’s as 
> well! I’ve got one like your Hunq but in green. I’d never take that 
> commuting. Not so much for it getting stolen but folks not being gentle 
> when they lock up their bikes. And honestly, getting it stolen. 
> They salt the roads here as well. I’d never take my Riv’s after a storm. 
>
> I recently bought a fairly nice Trek FX for my daughter. Low-mid level 
> Shimano components. Everything works well. Has fender and rack mounts. All 
> for $50! It’s a nice riding bike. And probably something I’d consider if I 
> needed a cheap, nice-riding commuter. Especially for the salty winter 
> months. 
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:09:56 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>>  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for its 
>> intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may be a 
>> bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool and 
>> not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you 
>> commute on a Rivendell Ginz? 
>>
>>
>> Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved 
>> and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
>> residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
>> cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
>> about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 
>>
>>
>> Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
>> killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
>> here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
>> daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
>> bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 
>>
>>
>> Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on 
>> the drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you 
>> have the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in 
>> the wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 
>>
>>
>> Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. I 
>> do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to 
>> steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, 
>> all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is 
>> just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the 
>> mornings to show up covered in road sludge. 
>>
>>
>> B - I agree
>>
>>
>> Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
>> critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
>> of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
>> and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
>> haul’n 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
>>> ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
>>> the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
>>> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had re-geared 
>>> and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
>>> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.
>>>
>>> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter 
>>> months (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the 
>>> streets there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces than 
>>> I would theft.
>>>
>>> BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
>>> matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
>>> backsliding into 3rd World status.
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the bike 
 into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab now 
 used 
 as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he gave 
 me a key to the outside utility closet. I had seniority rights as I'd been 
 parking inside since about 1995 and he only arrived in about 2010.

 I think he gave me the key after I wheeled my Ken Rogers into the 
 library at the start of a parish council meeting 

 On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> First world problem indeed! But I felt it back when I commuted to an 
> office.
>
> First, is there any way you could cajole, plead, whine, insist that 
> your employer let 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week 
for paint
Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to let 
me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond 
excited about that.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the 
> big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.  In 
>> my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've 
>> been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and 
>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give them 
>> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, Ca
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
>>> your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
>>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set that 
 I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, and I 
 appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a premier 
 rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and then hard 
 anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's supposed to 
 be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  

 Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full build 
 at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 
 19.99lbs 
 with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will not be red. 

 BL in EC

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>
>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
>> choose something else?
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
>>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I 
>>> paid 
>>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager 
>>> to 
>>> see it painted, and built up.  
>>>
>>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, 
>>> and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant 
>>> visit 
>>> all around.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 John

 I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  
 Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For 
 kicks 
 I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  

 I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use 
 fenders.  I don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  

 I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are 
 super light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is 
 that 
 they can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and 
 fork 
 with those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd 
 trust 
 to execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  

 I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue 
 is indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and 
 Nobilettes.  I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he 
 is 
 charging what he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the 
 price 
 I've paid.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Bill
>
> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with 
> it.  The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs.  Well 
> worth 
> the cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems.   
> I'd 
> vote for red with cream head tube, 

[RBW] Re: PSA: Brooks B68

[Garth]

Eric, I can assure you that what Tradeinn sells is regular first quality 
retail goods. I recently ordered a pair of Santini winter bibs and a 
Stronglight chainring, all arrived in it's retail packaging of course. 
Shipping was slower than the estimate, but I've ordered things from Europe 
before and that is typically the case. Anywhere from 2-4 weeks for 
non-premium shipping. Sometimes the orders are slow to process in the first 
place, to even be sent out for shipping. Other times it sits in the airport 
for days/weeks. US shippers have nothing to brag about though ! Customs can 
take awhile too. What's funny is if you buy premium shipping, it comes in 
days. Merlin Cycles orders certainly did, from the UK. 

 Retail goods from reputable retailers that sell for less in another market 
other than the US market doesn't mean you're getting anything less. Myself 
I only purchase overseas from well known/reputed retailers. Not everything 
costs less however, it's a case by case basis. Not everything is available 
either, with the geo fencing some retailers are forced to agree to, or they 
don't get to sell anything from that mfr.

With Tradeinn do note the shipping cost of larger/bulk/heavy items as the 
ship price can skyrocket quickly ! 

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 8:55:19 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Keith: Maybe? I have been under the impression that Trade/BikeInn sell 
> seconds, discounts and other miscellaneous stuff they get their hands on. 
> They've had small amounts of B68s in the past when no one else did, long 
> before Riv got Brooks on board for whatever weird deal they have going 
> currently. 
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 11:30:53 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Does this mean Riv can start selling the a la carte?
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 5:40:17 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> Hope you guys get yours quick. I put in an order for another item a 
>>> month ago at tradeinn and it still hasn’t shown up. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 3:46:44 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, I grabbed one. My wife ordered one with her Platy, that has yet 
 to ship, and it got me wanting to try it out for myself. 

 On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 4:22:12 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> PSA: I bought mine here a while back and saw they have some in stock:
>
> Brooks england B68 Saddle, Brown | Bikeinn 
> 
> tradeinn.com 
> 
> [image: icon-180x180.png] 
> 
>  
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Josh C]

Jay - I didn’t call the Surly a beater, just my commuter. I know it's a 
nice bike. It’s very utilitarian and bombproof, I just like riding the Rivs 
more is all. I like the idea of using the Surly in the salty months. I 
thought about that too. I’ve not needed studded tires over the last few 
years. I’m fine riding on the snow and then it seems to mostly melt off in 
a few days. Some patchy ice but I've dodged much of it successfully thus 
far. I guess it's one of the positives of global warming…doesn’t snow much 
here anymore. 



Patrick - I love the idea of you popping in pushing your bike…one freehub 
paw click at a time 



George - Those are good points and there's a lot to be said about just 
riding a cheap but pleasant commuter to work. It makes sense to do, I’m 
just leaning toward not doing the sensible thing. I also didn’t say Indy 
was 1st world, sometimes I hear more gunshots here than I did on my two 
tours in Iraq, I do think that posing the question of “which $3k bike 
should I ride to work” does fit the bill as a “complaint or fairly minor 
problem associated with a relatively high standard of living”, aka 1st 
world prob. Maybe I should move to Denmark…



I saw Kai’s mustard Clem H in Leah’s bike makeover thread and it got me 
questioning why I had these killer bikes sitting in the garage while the 
Surly gets all the work. Then that Cheviot in the Craigslist thread, oh and 
don’t get me started on Pam’s mixte. I like the Surly, don’t get me wrong, 
but it’s no Atlantis. I love seeing people’s well-used Rivendell bikes. 

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:09:56 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

>  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for its 
> intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may be a 
> bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool and 
> not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you 
> commute on a Rivendell Ginz? 
>
>
> Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved 
> and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
> residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
> cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
> about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 
>
>
> Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
> killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
> here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
> daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
> bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 
>
>
> Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on the 
> drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you have 
> the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in the 
> wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 
>
>
> Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. I 
> do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to 
> steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, 
> all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is 
> just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the 
> mornings to show up covered in road sludge. 
>
>
> B - I agree
>
>
> Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
> critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
> of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
> and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
> haul’n 
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
>> ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
>> the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
>> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had re-geared 
>> and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
>> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.
>>
>> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter months 
>> (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the streets 
>> there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces than I would 
>> theft.
>>
>> BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
>> matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
>> backsliding into 3rd World status.
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the bike 
>>> into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab now used 
>>> as the hall) 

[RBW] Re: Studs for Winter Riding?

[John Rinker]

Thanks again to all of you experienced winter riders for the illuminating 
discussion and worthy suggestions. One significant factor that I don't 
contend with anymore is the commute to work, so my winter riding is 
strictly for pleasure. Since most of my riding is on country gravel roads I 
also don't have to suffer pavement and, in Takashi's words, 'the sound like 
the end of the world is coming'. 

I've been riding with my very low-tread WTB Nano's in the packed snow and 
relying on the handling skills honed from over 50 years of riding. So far 
so good. I don't ride super fast in these conditions and whenever one of my 
tires tries to slip out from under me I'm able to correct and hold it 
together, and this always makes me laugh as though I've cheated death or 
something. 

Again, I am a believer that the right equipment makes a world of 
difference, but I also really appreciate Andy's reminder that there is no 
substitute for skillful bike handling. Combining the two is certainly the 
sweet spot, but for the time being, I think I will forgo the Schwalbe Ice 
Spikers and focus on mindful riding and practicing my winter riding skills 
with what I've got. 

I'll let you know if I end up knocking out my front teeth. 

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 7:02:16 AM UTC-8 Marc Irwin wrote:

> I've used both Nokian  and Schwalbe Marathon Winter on my Hunq.  I prefer 
> the Schwalbe.
>
> Marc[image: 1213150841_05-SNOW.gif]
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 8:34:32 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
>> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
>> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
>> nothing about them. 
>>
>> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me 
>> have any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Josh C]

 Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for its 
intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may be a 
bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool and 
not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you 
commute on a Rivendell Ginz? 


Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved 
and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 


Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 


Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on the 
drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you have 
the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in the 
wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 


Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. I 
do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to 
steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, 
all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is 
just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the 
mornings to show up covered in road sludge. 


B - I agree


Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
haul’n 

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
> ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
> the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had re-geared 
> and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.
>
> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter months 
> (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the streets 
> there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces than I would 
> theft.
>
> BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
> matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
> backsliding into 3rd World status.
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the bike 
>> into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab now used 
>> as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he gave 
>> me a key to the outside utility closet. I had seniority rights as I'd been 
>> parking inside since about 1995 and he only arrived in about 2010.
>>
>> I think he gave me the key after I wheeled my Ken Rogers into the library 
>> at the start of a parish council meeting 
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> First world problem indeed! But I felt it back when I commuted to an 
>>> office.
>>>
>>> First, is there any way you could cajole, plead, whine, insist that your 
>>> employer let you park your bike inside? Do you have an office? I was always 
>>> able to park the bike in my office (once I had a second office as a garage) 
>>> and that solved many problems -- one huge advantage of always working for 
>>> smaller organizations.
>>>
>>> Or what about locking the bike in a parking garage, out of the way of at 
>>> least many casual thieves and vandals?
>>>
>>> But lastly: If I had had to park outside in the a place with "average" 
>>> risk of theft, I'd have done 1 of 2 things: 1. get a beater that rides like 
>>> my "good" bikes and build it for performance but make it look as ugly and 
>>> cheap as I could; or: 2. uglify and simplify (strip as far as practical) 
>>> one of my good bikes. and in each case, load it up with locks. I always 
>>> commuted on fixed gears so that was already a big step in diminishing 
>>> apparent resale value.
>>>
>>> But even more lastly: if there were no alternative and I had to risk 
>>> theft of a $2.5K Clem or ride a bike that didn't feel as good -- I dunno, 
>>> I'd be hard pressed to decide what to do.
>>>
>>> I've attached a (yes, another already) photo of my principal 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[George Schick]

I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had re-geared 
and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.

BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter months 
(used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the streets 
there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces than I would 
theft.

BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
backsliding into 3rd World status.
On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the bike 
> into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab now used 
> as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he gave 
> me a key to the outside utility closet. I had seniority rights as I'd been 
> parking inside since about 1995 and he only arrived in about 2010.
>
> I think he gave me the key after I wheeled my Ken Rogers into the library 
> at the start of a parish council meeting 
>
> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> First world problem indeed! But I felt it back when I commuted to an 
>> office.
>>
>> First, is there any way you could cajole, plead, whine, insist that your 
>> employer let you park your bike inside? Do you have an office? I was always 
>> able to park the bike in my office (once I had a second office as a garage) 
>> and that solved many problems -- one huge advantage of always working for 
>> smaller organizations.
>>
>> Or what about locking the bike in a parking garage, out of the way of at 
>> least many casual thieves and vandals?
>>
>> But lastly: If I had had to park outside in the a place with "average" 
>> risk of theft, I'd have done 1 of 2 things: 1. get a beater that rides like 
>> my "good" bikes and build it for performance but make it look as ugly and 
>> cheap as I could; or: 2. uglify and simplify (strip as far as practical) 
>> one of my good bikes. and in each case, load it up with locks. I always 
>> commuted on fixed gears so that was already a big step in diminishing 
>> apparent resale value.
>>
>> But even more lastly: if there were no alternative and I had to risk 
>> theft of a $2.5K Clem or ride a bike that didn't feel as good -- I dunno, 
>> I'd be hard pressed to decide what to do.
>>
>> I've attached a (yes, another already) photo of my principal errand bike 
>> (I no longer commute to work) but I do errands and ride to church and other 
>> places on all of my bikes. New: hot-rodded ASC hub!!!
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 7:49 AM Josh C  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike 
>>> to use as my commuter. 
>>>
>>> Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of 
>>> my daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of 
>>> the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. 
>>> The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or 
>>> the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't 
>>> mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't 
>>> have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a 
>>> Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my 
>>> car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things 
>>> that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, 
>>> dinners, drinks...you name it.  
>>>
>>> Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here 
>>> goes. I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I 
>>> find myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate 
>>> more miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I 
>>> do way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more 
>>> comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue 
>>> downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a 
>>> target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the 
>>> day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more 
>>> than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a 
>>> Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it 
>>> for my daily driver. 
>>>
>>> However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely 
>>> change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as 
>>> well 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Jay Lonner]

We should all be so lucky as to have “beaters” as nice as that Surly! With a Rohloff and disc brakes that sounds like a perfect winter commuter. My first winter in Wisconsin the road salt trashed the drivetrain on my XO-1. Maybe that’s not an issue in Indianapolis, but I’d be hesitant to subject one of your “nice” bikes to such abuse. I’d be tempted to set up the Surly with studded tires for when it’s really gnarly out, and ride one of the Rivs when the roads are clear and/or the weather is clement. Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Dec 7, 2023, at 8:38 AM, Josiah Anderson  wrote:I commute to a college campus in a city with a notorious bike theft problem on my Gus Boots-Willsen and my Crust Lightning Bolt, so I would say go for it with the Atlantis. I always lock up in high-traffic areas, use two locks if leaving it overnight, and ideally lock near more mainstream "nice" bikes that would be more attractive to thieves. I figure that to most eyes my Crust looks like a bike boom 10 speed and my Gus looks like a beach cruiser, and if there's a Specialized mtb next to it that's the more likely target. The only time I really feel the need to use my "beater" bike (currently a Bianchi Volpe) is in the winter when the roads are salty. I don't know what Indianapolis winters are like, but if the roads are salty and gross, I would hesitate to ride a Riv. It just ruins bikes so fast if you don't get around to cleaning and re-lubing regularly, which is often the case for me with about 80 hours a week of school and work.Good luck with your decision!Josiah Missoula MTLe jeu. 7 déc. 2023 à 7:49 AM, Josh C  a écrit :Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike to use as my commuter. Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of my daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, dinners, drinks...you name it.  Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here goes. I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I find myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate more miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I do way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it for my daily driver. However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as well ride one of the Rivs that I currently own. By the time I get the Clem to my door, I've spent $2500 with shipping and tax. I'd change the bars, add a saddle, add fenders, have the front wheel rebuilt with a dyno hub, and so on. I'd easily be into it for $3K or more. My Surly has a $1400 rear hub and is easily over the $3K mark. I am lucky enough to have two Rivendell Atlantis and a Hunq. I've owned several others in the past as well. One of the Atlantis bikes that I have would fit the bill. It's the more recent style with the longer wheelbase & double top tube. These are super sturdy bikes that wouldn't mind being loaded up and taken to work. I've already got a wheelset with a dyno hub and a light lying around here somewhere. I purchased this bike for $3K this summer from a local guy. I didn't need the bike but just couldn't pass it up as it was so cool! I thought to myself: I've locked up more expensive bikes at work for 13 hours or at music venues until the wee hours of the night without issue, so why not just do the bulk of my riding on a bike that I truly enjoy riding? What am I saving it for? Questions: Is my logic sound? Do you think that riding a nice Riv to work, to lock it up outside all, day in a city, is a dumb idea? Do you commute on a Riv that is left outside all day? I'd also like to use this as an opportunity to see some of your commuters. Feel free to post a pic of your daily driver and also, let us know if you lock it up outside or not. The potential commuter. 

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Brian Forsee]

Ride the Atlantis! It'll probably be fine and worst case scenario it gets 
stolen and not recovered, and it sounds like that would not be an end of 
the world situation for you.

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 10:38:57 AM UTC-6 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> I commute to a college campus in a city with a notorious bike theft 
> problem on my Gus Boots-Willsen and my Crust Lightning Bolt, so I would say 
> go for it with the Atlantis. I always lock up in high-traffic areas, use 
> two locks if leaving it overnight, and ideally lock near more mainstream 
> "nice" bikes that would be more attractive to thieves. I figure that to 
> most eyes my Crust looks like a bike boom 10 speed and my Gus looks like a 
> beach cruiser, and if there's a Specialized mtb next to it that's the more 
> likely target. 
>
> The only time I really feel the need to use my "beater" bike (currently a 
> Bianchi Volpe) is in the winter when the roads are salty. I don't know what 
> Indianapolis winters are like, but if the roads are salty and gross, I 
> would hesitate to ride a Riv. It just ruins bikes so fast if you don't get 
> around to cleaning and re-lubing regularly, which is often the case for me 
> with about 80 hours a week of school and work.
>
> Good luck with your decision!
>
> Josiah 
> Missoula MT
>
> Le jeu. 7 déc. 2023 à 7:49 AM, Josh C  a écrit :
>
>> Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike 
>> to use as my commuter. 
>>
>> Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of 
>> my daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of 
>> the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. 
>> The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or 
>> the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't 
>> mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't 
>> have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a 
>> Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my 
>> car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things 
>> that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, 
>> dinners, drinks...you name it.  
>>
>> Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here 
>> goes. I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I 
>> find myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate 
>> more miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I 
>> do way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more 
>> comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue 
>> downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a 
>> target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the 
>> day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more 
>> than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a 
>> Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it 
>> for my daily driver. 
>>
>> However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely 
>> change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as 
>> well ride one of the Rivs that I currently own. By the time I get the Clem 
>> to my door, I've spent $2500 with shipping and tax. I'd change the bars, 
>> add a saddle, add fenders, have the front wheel rebuilt with a dyno hub, 
>> and so on. I'd easily be into it for $3K or more. My Surly has a $1400 rear 
>> hub and is easily over the $3K mark. 
>>
>> I am lucky enough to have two Rivendell Atlantis and a Hunq. I've owned 
>> several others in the past as well. One of the Atlantis bikes that I have 
>> would fit the bill. It's the more recent style with the longer wheelbase & 
>> double top tube. These are super sturdy bikes that wouldn't mind being 
>> loaded up and taken to work. I've already got a wheelset with a dyno hub 
>> and a light lying around here somewhere. I purchased this bike for $3K this 
>> summer from a local guy. I didn't need the bike but just couldn't pass it 
>> up as it was so cool! 
>>
>> I thought to myself: I've locked up more expensive bikes at work for 13 
>> hours or at music venues until the wee hours of the night without issue, so 
>> why not just do the bulk of my riding on a bike that I truly enjoy riding? 
>> What am I saving it for? 
>>
>> Questions: Is my logic sound? Do you think that riding a nice Riv to 
>> work, to lock it up outside all, day in a city, is a dumb idea? Do you 
>> commute on a Riv that is left outside all day? 
>>
>> *I'd also like to use this as an opportunity to see some of your 
>> commuters. Feel free to post a pic of your daily driver and also, let us 
>> know if you lock it up outside or not. *
>>
>> The potential commuter. (I'd change the fenders and bars)
>> [image: IMG_0630 Medium.jpeg]
>>
>> My current 

[RBW] Re: Has anyone else tried the new Riv seat?

[Chris K]

Chris - I wanna say my Ergon saddle is the SR Allroad Comp. Nice basic 
saddle.

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:58:55 AM UTC-7 Steven Seelig wrote:

> I replaced a Brooks Flyer Curved on my Xtracycle now Bafang E-bike that is 
> about as upright as it gets.  Agree that at first I wasn't sure where this 
> part of my sit bone connected to that part of the saddle.  After a few more 
> rides, I simply forgot it was on the bike at all.  Given that with e-bikes 
> you are constantly shifting the assist and the 9 speed derailleur to hit 
> the perfect sweet spot, and I ride in City traffic, perhaps I was not as 
> in-tune as i would be on a quiet country road.  I prefer it to the Brooks 
> and don't miss the absence of the spring in the least.  
>
> My experience is likely comparing persimmons to cumquats for someone 
> riding unupright on an analog bike.
>
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 1:53:12 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
> I have it on my Platy currently. It replaced a Selle Anatomica H2 (at 
> least for the winter). The SA was a tad too narrow since I swapped to 
> slighly more upright bars. I haven't yet decided if the Riv saddle is too 
> wide (by 1-2cm).  I don't really care for the wide nose of the Riv saddle, 
> but I suppose I'll get used to it. I do like the flat shape and the amount 
> of padding (minimal). It's good for a more upright ride due to the width.  
> I may use it on my wife's bike to swap out the Bontrager commuter saddle 
> (wide).  When viewed from the side, the Bontrager commuter saddle has 
> shoulders that slope down where the Riv saddle is a flat profile. We both 
> prefer saddles that have a flat profile.  I've also ridden a VO wide 
> touring saddle and the Riv saddle is wider both in the nose and the rear.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Bill Schaefer]

I'm always of the opinion to ride the bike you like the most, as often as 
possible. I bought a new bike years ago (my first real bike purchase) and I 
told my friend that I was still going to use my old crappy bike to commute 
to work with so I didn't have to worry about theft, and he told me that he 
would kick my ass if I did that. He was obviously joking, but his point was 
made and I never looked back. I've been commuting on my Atlantis 
exclusively since I got it earlier this year and that's my dream bike. It's 
just more fun to ride and makes the commute better.

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 10:36:42 AM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:

> I live in Chicago and I have a Hillborne that I commute on, though my 
> office is in Evanston and bike theft around there is probably very low. But 
> I also lock it up around the city and don't worry about it. I've been 
> riding in Chicago for 15 years or so, and I've had three bikes stolen, but 
> all were taken from my garage. I've had parts stolen off of bikes, but it's 
> always been either at train stops or somewhere where there's not much foot 
> traffic. Now I don't hesitate to take any of my bikes anywhere, even 
> locking them up for a while at night, so long as everything's locked 
> properly and out in the open. I also have a pretty heavy-duty lock.
>
> I have to say, I'm not convinced that a thief would be more likely to 
> steal a Rivendell than a Surly. There are so many Surlys out there (I've 
> got one myself), it seems like they'd be easier to offload under the radar. 
> Bikes with extra tubes and such are just weird-looking to the average 
> person and unique enough that they're more likely to be noticed by the 
> original owner. Thieving is not my profession, but if I'm looking at a rack 
> with both your Surly and your Hunq on it, I'm going for the Surly.
>
> Here's a not-so-great photo of my commuter (along with my son's bike, he 
> got the gray one to match mine). A few years yet before he's ready for a 
> Riv.
>
> Cody, Chicago
>
> [image: 20230422_152200_102206.jpeg]
>
> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 8:49 AM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike 
>> to use as my commuter. 
>>
>> Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of 
>> my daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of 
>> the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. 
>> The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or 
>> the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't 
>> mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't 
>> have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a 
>> Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my 
>> car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things 
>> that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, 
>> dinners, drinks...you name it.  
>>
>> Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here 
>> goes. I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I 
>> find myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate 
>> more miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I 
>> do way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more 
>> comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue 
>> downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a 
>> target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the 
>> day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more 
>> than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a 
>> Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it 
>> for my daily driver. 
>>
>> However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely 
>> change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as 
>> well ride one of the Rivs that I currently own. By the time I get the Clem 
>> to my door, I've spent $2500 with shipping and tax. I'd change the bars, 
>> add a saddle, add fenders, have the front wheel rebuilt with a dyno hub, 
>> and so on. I'd easily be into it for $3K or more. My Surly has a $1400 rear 
>> hub and is easily over the $3K mark. 
>>
>> I am lucky enough to have two Rivendell Atlantis and a Hunq. I've owned 
>> several others in the past as well. One of the Atlantis bikes that I have 
>> would fit the bill. It's the more recent style with the longer wheelbase & 
>> double top tube. These are super sturdy bikes that wouldn't mind being 
>> loaded up and taken to work. I've already got a wheelset with a dyno hub 
>> and a light lying around here somewhere. I purchased this bike for $3K this 
>> summer from a local guy. I didn't need the bike but just couldn't pass it 
>> up as it was so cool! 
>>

[RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma

[Hoch in ut]

How long is your commute? Mine is pretty short. 3 miles. So I’ve used 
various bikes, including an Ogre. Ride quality doesn’t matter so much, as 
I’m on the bike for 10-15 minutes. 

If it’s longer, it depends on your risk appetite. I don’t use any of my 
nice bikes due to reason above but also because I’d be too concerned about 
the bike to focus on work. If I were in your shoes, I’d just keep going 
with the Ogre. 

Or if you have a new bike itch, think about a Brompton. Small wheels are 
pretty fun to ride. And you can take the whole thing inside with you. 

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:49:30 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike to 
> use as my commuter. 
>
> Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of my 
> daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of 
> the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. 
> The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or 
> the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't 
> mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't 
> have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a 
> Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my 
> car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things 
> that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, 
> dinners, drinks...you name it.  
>
> Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here goes. 
> I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I find 
> myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate more 
> miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I do 
> way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more 
> comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue 
> downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a 
> target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the 
> day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more 
> than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a 
> Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it 
> for my daily driver. 
>
> However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely 
> change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as 
> well ride one of the Rivs that I currently own. By the time I get the Clem 
> to my door, I've spent $2500 with shipping and tax. I'd change the bars, 
> add a saddle, add fenders, have the front wheel rebuilt with a dyno hub, 
> and so on. I'd easily be into it for $3K or more. My Surly has a $1400 rear 
> hub and is easily over the $3K mark. 
>
> I am lucky enough to have two Rivendell Atlantis and a Hunq. I've owned 
> several others in the past as well. One of the Atlantis bikes that I have 
> would fit the bill. It's the more recent style with the longer wheelbase & 
> double top tube. These are super sturdy bikes that wouldn't mind being 
> loaded up and taken to work. I've already got a wheelset with a dyno hub 
> and a light lying around here somewhere. I purchased this bike for $3K this 
> summer from a local guy. I didn't need the bike but just couldn't pass it 
> up as it was so cool! 
>
> I thought to myself: I've locked up more expensive bikes at work for 13 
> hours or at music venues until the wee hours of the night without issue, so 
> why not just do the bulk of my riding on a bike that I truly enjoy riding? 
> What am I saving it for? 
>
> Questions: Is my logic sound? Do you think that riding a nice Riv to work, 
> to lock it up outside all, day in a city, is a dumb idea? Do you commute on 
> a Riv that is left outside all day? 
>
> *I'd also like to use this as an opportunity to see some of your 
> commuters. Feel free to post a pic of your daily driver and also, let us 
> know if you lock it up outside or not. *
>
> The potential commuter. (I'd change the fenders and bars)
> [image: IMG_0630 Medium.jpeg]
>
> My current all road bike
> [image: IMG_0514 Medium.jpeg]
>
> Not a commuter. I ride this guy around quite a bit though. 
> [image: IMG_0570 Medium.jpeg]
>
> The Surly, although it now has had Jones bars on it for quite some time. 
> [image: IMG_0230 Medium.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma

[Ginz]

ah yes,, the least expensive bike always gets the most use, doesn't it?

If you like the Atlantis and WANT to use it as a commuter, go for it.  
 View it as a personal challenge to beat it up, wear it out and use it up.  
Accept that part of that challenge includes the bike *might* disappear one 
day.  That's just a possibility, not certainty.   However, this is all easy 
for me to say.  I have the same habits you do!

Good luck!
Ginz

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 9:49:30 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike to 
> use as my commuter. 
>
> Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of my 
> daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of 
> the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. 
> The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or 
> the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't 
> mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't 
> have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a 
> Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my 
> car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things 
> that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, 
> dinners, drinks...you name it.  
>
> Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here goes. 
> I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I find 
> myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate more 
> miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I do 
> way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more 
> comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue 
> downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a 
> target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the 
> day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more 
> than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a 
> Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it 
> for my daily driver. 
>
> However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely 
> change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as 
> well ride one of the Rivs that I currently own. By the time I get the Clem 
> to my door, I've spent $2500 with shipping and tax. I'd change the bars, 
> add a saddle, add fenders, have the front wheel rebuilt with a dyno hub, 
> and so on. I'd easily be into it for $3K or more. My Surly has a $1400 rear 
> hub and is easily over the $3K mark. 
>
> I am lucky enough to have two Rivendell Atlantis and a Hunq. I've owned 
> several others in the past as well. One of the Atlantis bikes that I have 
> would fit the bill. It's the more recent style with the longer wheelbase & 
> double top tube. These are super sturdy bikes that wouldn't mind being 
> loaded up and taken to work. I've already got a wheelset with a dyno hub 
> and a light lying around here somewhere. I purchased this bike for $3K this 
> summer from a local guy. I didn't need the bike but just couldn't pass it 
> up as it was so cool! 
>
> I thought to myself: I've locked up more expensive bikes at work for 13 
> hours or at music venues until the wee hours of the night without issue, so 
> why not just do the bulk of my riding on a bike that I truly enjoy riding? 
> What am I saving it for? 
>
> Questions: Is my logic sound? Do you think that riding a nice Riv to work, 
> to lock it up outside all, day in a city, is a dumb idea? Do you commute on 
> a Riv that is left outside all day? 
>
> *I'd also like to use this as an opportunity to see some of your 
> commuters. Feel free to post a pic of your daily driver and also, let us 
> know if you lock it up outside or not. *
>
> The potential commuter. (I'd change the fenders and bars)
> [image: IMG_0630 Medium.jpeg]
>
> My current all road bike
> [image: IMG_0514 Medium.jpeg]
>
> Not a commuter. I ride this guy around quite a bit though. 
> [image: IMG_0570 Medium.jpeg]
>
> The Surly, although it now has had Jones bars on it for quite some time. 
> [image: IMG_0230 Medium.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone else tried the new Riv seat?

['Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I replaced a Brooks Flyer Curved on my Xtracycle now Bafang E-bike that is 
about as upright as it gets.  Agree that at first I wasn't sure where this 
part of my sit bone connected to that part of the saddle.  After a few more 
rides, I simply forgot it was on the bike at all.  Given that with e-bikes 
you are constantly shifting the assist and the 9 speed derailleur to hit 
the perfect sweet spot, and I ride in City traffic, perhaps I was not as 
in-tune as i would be on a quiet country road.  I prefer it to the Brooks 
and don't miss the absence of the spring in the least.  

My experience is likely comparing persimmons to cumquats for someone riding 
unupright on an analog bike.

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 1:53:12 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

I have it on my Platy currently. It replaced a Selle Anatomica H2 (at least 
for the winter). The SA was a tad too narrow since I swapped to slighly 
more upright bars. I haven't yet decided if the Riv saddle is too wide (by 
1-2cm).  I don't really care for the wide nose of the Riv saddle, but I 
suppose I'll get used to it. I do like the flat shape and the amount of 
padding (minimal). It's good for a more upright ride due to the width.  I 
may use it on my wife's bike to swap out the Bontrager commuter saddle 
(wide).  When viewed from the side, the Bontrager commuter saddle has 
shoulders that slope down where the Riv saddle is a flat profile. We both 
prefer saddles that have a flat profile.  I've also ridden a VO wide 
touring saddle and the Riv saddle is wider both in the nose and the rear.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Brooks B68

[Eric Marth]

Keith: Maybe? I have been under the impression that Trade/BikeInn sell 
seconds, discounts and other miscellaneous stuff they get their hands on. 
They've had small amounts of B68s in the past when no one else did, long 
before Riv got Brooks on board for whatever weird deal they have going 
currently. 

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 11:30:53 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Does this mean Riv can start selling the a la carte?
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 5:40:17 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Hope you guys get yours quick. I put in an order for another item a month 
>> ago at tradeinn and it still hasn’t shown up. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 3:46:44 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I grabbed one. My wife ordered one with her Platy, that has yet 
>>> to ship, and it got me wanting to try it out for myself. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 4:22:12 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 PSA: I bought mine here a while back and saw they have some in stock:

 Brooks england B68 Saddle, Brown | Bikeinn 
 
 tradeinn.com 
 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr. (45cm, Riv Blue)

[Kim H.]

@Chung,
You might want to present your wife's bike with a drive side picture. It is 
customary to do so in the bicycle community when selling or showing off 
one's bicycle to others. 

Good luck with the sale.

I have a 52cm Clem "L" in blue. I love the blue. 

Kim Hetzel.

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 10:09:24 PM UTC-8 chungeu...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: IMG_2134.jpeg]
> I bought this Clem Smith Jr as a complete from Rivendell in 2023 for my 
> wife.
> But, it's a bit too long and swoopy for her taste. Ridden less than 100 
> miles. Almost brand new.
>
> Comes with
> - Same spec as the Riv complete
> - Riv blue color
> - Size 45cm
> - ESI grip
> - Clem pedal
> - Wald basket
>
> I paid $2300 after tax including accessories and selling it for $1950.
> Available for pick up in SF Bay Area, but willing to ship it at the 
> buyer's expense.
>
> Best,
> Chung
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 53 Atlantis

[Alex K]

PM'd

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 7:43:40 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Selling my 53 Atlantis. Paul levers and neo-retro brakes, albatross bars, 
> mks bear traps, silver cranks. In great condition, dirty in the pic but 
> will be cleaned up before you take it! Will be sold without the 
> rack/basket, and I'll swap the saddle out for a different b17 that's a 
> little newer. 
>
> Asking for $2200. Would prefer to sell locally in the SF bay area (I'm on 
> the peninsula) but would be willing to ship at buyers expense. 
>
> Feel free to ask any questions you may have. I'm sure there's something I 
> missed. 
>
>
>

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