[RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[Philip Williamson]

I ride flats with pins.
Fixed, technical singletrack, road, commuting. 

I started with clips and plastic straps on mountain bike bear trap pedals, 
then rode SPDs and then Eggbeaters. When my kid was little, I made 
platforms for the eggbeaters by screwing cleats to platforms I cut out of 
old skateboard decks so I could jump on the bike whenever my kid wanted to 
go out for a ride. After riding on these platforms in all kinds of 
conditions, like fixed gear singletrack, I realized I just needed platform 
pedals, and I could retire the eggbeaters and the couture clip-in 
platforms. 

I try to cycle my shoes (mostly Chrome Kursks) from nice, to everyday, to 
bike. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Cal. 



On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 5:44:43 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's 
> out-of-context judgment.
>
> But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how 
> many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use 
> clipless systems -- and what kind.
>
> I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with 
> thick, soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on 
> un-clipped rat-trap pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about 
> 1990 I got my first relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C 
> with Sante group) and decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd 
> better get with the retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips 
> and straps, graduated to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty 
> quickly switched to the burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson 
> Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and 
> Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I 
> mean the ones that came out for about 1 season long long ago with the mtb 
> mechanism). 
>
> A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention shoes 
> but after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find the 
> right position I gave up and went back to SPDs. I've got SPDs on all my 
> bikes though I've got a very nice set of XC Pros + clips and straps + 
> almost-as-new wood-soled Duegis with cleats that I'd like to try -- I found 
> slotted cleats with semi-tight straps easier with a fixed drivetrain than 
> Look Keos -- except that SPDs are so perfect.
>
> So, I've round that having gotten used to retention I find it very hard to 
> give it up. I daresay that this habituation is stronger since so much of my 
> riding is on fixed drivetrains, but I'd still want at least clips and 
> loose-ish straps with rubber soles for any freewheel drivetrain.
>
> But again, SPDs just feel so perfect that I will probably just stay with 
> them.
>
> Best wishes to all for the Christmas season.
>
> Patrick Moore, finishing up a late resume on Xmas eve in ABQ, NM.
>
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Re: [RBW] The Places Our Bikes Take Us

[John Rinker]

Kim,
 Lot's of water, indeed! The Nisqually looks to be a beautiful river (from 
the Google images I found) and, on a hot summer day, a perfect spot for a 
mid-ride dip.

Yeah, I hear you on the pavement. I don't understand the need for it when 
there's already too much pavement as it is. 

Fingers crossed they keep it gravel.

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:

> [image: Map of the RR line from Yelm to Roy.png]
>
> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 2:41:37 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I am in future updates via email directly from the Yelm City Planner in 
>> their development and progress of this particular trail. The City of Yelm 
>> is working with the City of Roy in connecting this trail from both sides of 
>> the Nisqually River, of which is a dividing boundary between the two 
>> counties, Thurston and Pierce. See attached file for location and the 
>> direction of the old railroad line. 
>>
>> The stretch of railroad bed that I ventured on yesterday is about one and 
>> a half miles long ?  I live less than a mile from this trail.
>>
>> The RR ties remain in place upon the RR bridge all the way to Roy 
>> currently.  I am sure that there are some ponds or creeks that are nearby 
>> along the trail on other side of the Nisqually River. 
>>
>> I wish the developers would leave the trail unpaved and in a natural 
>> state. It would be more appealing for me as well as other cyclists, as well 
>> as equestrians. Every trail in Thurston County is paved that I have rode 
>> on. The trails in Pierce County I do not have a full report on those. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 12:04:32 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>> Randy, I'm of the very same mind when it comes to riding- open to the 
>> deep exploration of my immediate surroundings. This is probably why I like 
>> climbing so much; the slow pace (for me) reminds me to look around and 
>> enjoy what it is I am riding through. 
>>
>> Kim, You'll certainly have a golden trail there when the ties are pulled 
>> and the path is smoothed. Hopefully, all ready for Spring and Summer! Does 
>> this beautiful-looking trail pass along water (ponds, lakes, rivers) at any 
>> point?
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 10:41:05 AM UTC-8 larson@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> More often on rides I worry less about traveling far, but emphasize deep 
>> travel and exploration, often close to home. Your ride definitely qualifies 
>> as deep travel and your bike looks well-suited for exploration.
>> Randy
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:05 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>> [image: 20231226_145002.jpg]
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 9:04:05 AM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>> Hi Randy,
>>
>> I thank-you for you positive and encouraging words of my bicycle 
>> adventure yesterday. I appreciate them. 
>> Here are a couple more pictures from yesterday's adventure.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.[image: 20231226_144433_HDR.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 6:14:35 AM UTC-8 larson@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Great story and pictures Kim! The bicycle is the perfect vehicle to take 
>> us to new places and explore the world around us.
>> Thanks for the contribution,
>> Randy in WI
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 12:42:13 AM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> [image: IMG_2011.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:40:50 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday, I decided to see if the city workers were out on their 
>> continuation of pulling up the railroad ties for the preparation of the new 
>> bicycle pedestrian trail from Yelm to Roy, WA. To my surprise, they were 
>> not here today. I took advantage of this situation and decided to have my 
>> private own adventure and explore where the city workers stopped pulling up 
>> the ties. The child in me was so excited to venture out on my blue 52cm 
>> Clem to see how it handled off road.
>>
>> The weather was cool with a lot of fog with no sight of blue sky.   The 
>> ground surface was compacted from all the heavy and repetitive machine 
>> traffic. There was long sections of imprinted tires tracks from a very 
>> large loader. For the most part, I managed well. 
>>
>> When I reached to the old railroad bridge over the Nisqually River, I 
>> found about 75 feet ? of railroad bed, where the ties were not pulled up. I 
>> decided not to or over the bridge. I was just here to take pictures and 
>> satisfy my curiosity.
>>
>> Here are some pictures.
>> [image: IMG_1999.JPG]
>>
>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:11:06 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>> [image: thumbnail_20231030_162233_HDRuuu.jpg][image: 
>> thumbnail_20231030_164024_HDRvvv.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>> [image: thumbnail_20231030_161253_HDR.jpg][image: 
>> thumbnail_20231030_161920_HDR.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>> 

Re: [RBW] The Places Our Bikes Take Us

[Kim H.]

Hi John,

I am in future updates via email directly from the Yelm City Planner in 
their development and progress of this particular trail. The City of Yelm 
is working with the City of Roy in connecting this trail from both sides of 
the Nisqually River, of which is a dividing boundary between the two 
counties, Thurston and Pierce. See attached file for location and the 
direction of the old railroad line. 

The stretch of railroad bed that I ventured on yesterday is about one and a 
half miles long ?  I live less than a mile from this trail.

The RR ties remain in place upon the RR bridge all the way to Roy 
currently.  I am sure that there are some ponds or creeks that are nearby 
along the trail on other side of the Nisqually River. 

I wish the developers would leave the trail unpaved and in a natural state. 
It would be more appealing for me as well as other cyclists, as well as 
equestrians. Every trail in Thurston County is paved that I have rode on. 
The trails in Pierce County I do not have a full report on those. 

Kim Hetzel.
 


On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 12:04:32 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

Randy, I'm of the very same mind when it comes to riding- open to the deep 
exploration of my immediate surroundings. This is probably why I like 
climbing so much; the slow pace (for me) reminds me to look around and 
enjoy what it is I am riding through. 

Kim, You'll certainly have a golden trail there when the ties are pulled 
and the path is smoothed. Hopefully, all ready for Spring and Summer! Does 
this beautiful-looking trail pass along water (ponds, lakes, rivers) at any 
point?

Cheers, John


On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 10:41:05 AM UTC-8 larson@gmail.com 
wrote:

More often on rides I worry less about traveling far, but emphasize deep 
travel and exploration, often close to home. Your ride definitely qualifies 
as deep travel and your bike looks well-suited for exploration.
Randy

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:05 AM Kim H.  wrote:

[image: 20231226_145002.jpg]

Kim Hetzel.
On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 9:04:05 AM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:

Hi Randy,

I thank-you for you positive and encouraging words of my bicycle adventure 
yesterday. I appreciate them. 
Here are a couple more pictures from yesterday's adventure.

Kim Hetzel.[image: 20231226_144433_HDR.jpg]

On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 6:14:35 AM UTC-8 larson@gmail.com 
wrote:

Great story and pictures Kim! The bicycle is the perfect vehicle to take us 
to new places and explore the world around us.
Thanks for the contribution,
Randy in WI

On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 12:42:13 AM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com 
wrote:

[image: IMG_2011.JPG]

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:40:50 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:

Yesterday, I decided to see if the city workers were out on their 
continuation of pulling up the railroad ties for the preparation of the new 
bicycle pedestrian trail from Yelm to Roy, WA. To my surprise, they were 
not here today. I took advantage of this situation and decided to have my 
private own adventure and explore where the city workers stopped pulling up 
the ties. The child in me was so excited to venture out on my blue 52cm 
Clem to see how it handled off road.

The weather was cool with a lot of fog with no sight of blue sky.   The 
ground surface was compacted from all the heavy and repetitive machine 
traffic. There was long sections of imprinted tires tracks from a very 
large loader. For the most part, I managed well. 

When I reached to the old railroad bridge over the Nisqually River, I found 
about 75 feet ? of railroad bed, where the ties were not pulled up. I 
decided not to or over the bridge. I was just here to take pictures and 
satisfy my curiosity.

Here are some pictures.
[image: IMG_1999.JPG]

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:11:06 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

[image: thumbnail_20231030_162233_HDRuuu.jpg][image: 
thumbnail_20231030_164024_HDRvvv.jpg]

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

[image: thumbnail_20231030_161253_HDR.jpg][image: 
thumbnail_20231030_161920_HDR.jpg]

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

[image: thumbnail_20231030_161003_HDR.jpg]

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 9:59:04 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

This afternoon, I decided to go on my second adventure to find out exactly 
where the end of the railroad rails were pulled up about a month ago ended 
for a future bicycle/pedestrian/equestrian trail near my home. It is within 
fifteen minutes from my house.  It was a very sunny day about 56 degrees. I 
took my Clem and set off by myself.

I rode on a trail along the Nisqually River as far as I could. I found a 
steep very short trail that lead up to the railroad bed and ties. It took 
awhile for me to maneuver myself with my Clem up this steep small incline, 
applying my brakes in slow steps. I made it alright. 

I did not feel safe enough to ride my bike along side of the old railroad 
bed, because the ground was uneven 

[RBW] Re: 90s Road Double paired with 11-36 9 speed rear cassette

[KenP]

Brenton,
   I ride road barend shifters, a ten speed 32/52 front and 11-28 rear with 
a modern Shimano clutch derailleur and a Tan-Pan adapter.  Gives me lots of 
gears.  When  keeping a  50+ in the front and a 36 in the back, if the 
chain is long enough to fit the large front ring and the large back ring, 
then, the derailleur probably won't wrap up the small front ring and the 
small back ring.
Ken P.

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 1:11:45 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am thinking about going NOS or near-new-vintage crankset for a build. 
> Nothing against modern stuff, but eBay seems to have a plethora of nice 
> shimano 105/600 cranksets in great shape for under $100.
>
> I know 90s road bike gearing was more focused on racing with small 
> cassettes in the rear. But has anyone had success or suggestions 
> for/against getting an older shimano square taper road double with 53/39 or 
> 52/42ish and paired with an 11-36 9spd cassette? Seems like Riv doesn't 
> offer any doubles with outer ring bigger than 46 and the smaller rings are 
> in the 20s. 
>
> I have a triple on my Sam and spend 90% of my time in the middle ring, 
> even on tough climbs, and I've had several doubles on vintage road bikes/CX 
> bikes in the past.
>

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Re: [RBW] The Places Our Bikes Take Us

[John Rinker]

Randy, I'm of the very same mind when it comes to riding- open to the deep 
exploration of my immediate surroundings. This is probably why I like 
climbing so much; the slow pace (for me) reminds me to look around and 
enjoy what it is I am riding through. 

Kim, You'll certainly have a golden trail there when the ties are pulled 
and the path is smoothed. Hopefully, all ready for Spring and Summer! Does 
this beautiful-looking trail pass along water (ponds, lakes, rivers) at any 
point?

Cheers, John


On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 10:41:05 AM UTC-8 larson@gmail.com 
wrote:

> More often on rides I worry less about traveling far, but emphasize deep 
> travel and exploration, often close to home. Your ride definitely qualifies 
> as deep travel and your bike looks well-suited for exploration.
> Randy
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:05 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> [image: 20231226_145002.jpg]
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 9:04:05 AM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Randy,
>>>
>>> I thank-you for you positive and encouraging words of my bicycle 
>>> adventure yesterday. I appreciate them. 
>>> Here are a couple more pictures from yesterday's adventure.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.[image: 20231226_144433_HDR.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 6:14:35 AM UTC-8 larson@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Great story and pictures Kim! The bicycle is the perfect vehicle to 
 take us to new places and explore the world around us.
 Thanks for the contribution,
 Randy in WI

 On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 12:42:13 AM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> [image: IMG_2011.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:40:50 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> Yesterday, I decided to see if the city workers were out on their 
>> continuation of pulling up the railroad ties for the preparation of the 
>> new 
>> bicycle pedestrian trail from Yelm to Roy, WA. To my surprise, they were 
>> not here today. I took advantage of this situation and decided to have 
>> my 
>> private own adventure and explore where the city workers stopped pulling 
>> up 
>> the ties. The child in me was so excited to venture out on my blue 52cm 
>> Clem to see how it handled off road.
>>
>> The weather was cool with a lot of fog with no sight of blue sky.   
>> The ground surface was compacted from all the heavy and repetitive 
>> machine 
>> traffic. There was long sections of imprinted tires tracks from a very 
>> large loader. For the most part, I managed well. 
>>
>> When I reached to the old railroad bridge over the Nisqually River, I 
>> found about 75 feet ? of railroad bed, where the ties were not pulled 
>> up. I 
>> decided not to or over the bridge. I was just here to take pictures and 
>> satisfy my curiosity.
>>
>> Here are some pictures.
>> [image: IMG_1999.JPG]
>>
>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:11:06 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> [image: thumbnail_20231030_162233_HDRuuu.jpg][image: 
>>> thumbnail_20231030_164024_HDRvvv.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 [image: thumbnail_20231030_161253_HDR.jpg][image: 
 thumbnail_20231030_161920_HDR.jpg]

 On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> [image: thumbnail_20231030_161003_HDR.jpg]
>
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 9:59:04 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> This afternoon, I decided to go on my second adventure to find 
>> out exactly where the end of the railroad rails were pulled up about 
>> a 
>> month ago ended for a future bicycle/pedestrian/equestrian trail 
>> near my 
>> home. It is within fifteen minutes from my house.  It was a very 
>> sunny day 
>> about 56 degrees. I took my Clem and set off by myself.
>>
>> I rode on a trail along the Nisqually River as far as I could. I 
>> found a steep very short trail that lead up to the railroad bed and 
>> ties. 
>> It took awhile for me to maneuver myself with my Clem up this steep 
>> small 
>> incline, applying my brakes in slow steps. I made it alright. 
>>
>> I did not feel safe enough to ride my bike along side of the old 
>> railroad bed, because the ground was uneven and to the right of me 
>> the 
>> ground dropped off below me. I walked my bike all the way to the 
>> railroad 
>> bridge taking in all the wonderful colored golden fallen maple 
>> leaves on 
>> the ground. There was no one else around. I must have walked about 
>> more 
>> than a quarter of a mile and then some. 
>>
>> The railroad bridge finally came into my view. It has been many 
>> years since 

[RBW] Re: 90s Road Double paired with 11-36 9 speed rear cassette

[Joe Bernard]

Adding to my post: I don't think you're asking if the gearing will be too 
high. Yes it will work and you can use whatever gearing you like! 

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:37:57 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The only theoretical concern I can think of is you may get some skating 
> between front rings from a 9-spd chain on cranks spaced for 6/7/8-spd. But 
> in reality - assuming front friction shifting - you'll just make sure 
> you're shoving that chain over properly and all will be well. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am thinking about going NOS or near-new-vintage crankset for a build. 
>> Nothing against modern stuff, but eBay seems to have a plethora of nice 
>> shimano 105/600 cranksets in great shape for under $100.
>>
>> I know 90s road bike gearing was more focused on racing with small 
>> cassettes in the rear. But has anyone had success or suggestions 
>> for/against getting an older shimano square taper road double with 53/39 or 
>> 52/42ish and paired with an 11-36 9spd cassette? Seems like Riv doesn't 
>> offer any doubles with outer ring bigger than 46 and the smaller rings are 
>> in the 20s. 
>>
>> I have a triple on my Sam and spend 90% of my time in the middle ring, 
>> even on tough climbs, and I've had several doubles on vintage road bikes/CX 
>> bikes in the past.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 90s Road Double paired with 11-36 9 speed rear cassette

[JohnS]

Hello Brenton,

I use the Shimano CS-M770 XT HG 9sp cassette, 11-34 paired with either a 
Sugino or FSA crankset that have 130BCD with 46/34 chainrings. That gives 
me a nice range for the hilly terrain where I live. If you really want the 
to use one of the 105 cranks with 130 BCD then changing the chainrings to 
46/38 might work for you. Otherwise you might want to consider using a TA 
Tripleizer like Will did on his Cuevas. He used a Dura Ace 130 BCD 
crankset, with a 42 Tripleizer and a 32 inner ring. The only problem with 
it is the relatively high cost of about $100.

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/wills-65cm-cuevas?_pos=24&_sid=0ac774f30&_ss=r

https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/tach.php#alize

Good luck and happy trails,
JohnS

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 4:16:08 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> 11t sprockets are not useless when you have a 1x drivetrain. I use my 11t 
> on the tandem (38t chainring) and on my single (40t chainring). They don't 
> get used frequently (which is good, since they'd wear out quickly 
> otherwise), but once in a while they get used, which wasn't the case back 
> when I had a triple with 24/39/50 up front.
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:39:23 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> There's nothing wrong with simply not using the 11t cog you know :) 
>> Conversely, , I think 11t cogs are worthless myself. I'd rather ride a 
>> larger ring and a larger 12t or 13t cog. Anyone that rides big rings and 
>> big cogs knows how sweet that feels. It doesn't have to be a 53t, a 46t-52t 
>> is fine.  Or get yourself some 7sp FW hubs and ride a 13-32, 14-34 or 13-28 
>> FW. I find it funny that only FW's offer usable and rideable gears these 
>> days. The Sunrace 14-34 has a nice 14/16/18/21/24/28/34 progression. A 
>> 53/14 is still a big gear for most people in most conditions. That's just 
>> me though, as I never got the memo about more than 7 cogs being a good 
>> idea. 
>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> A 53 *can* be perfectly useful if you use something like a 15-25 or 26 
>>> 9 speed as I once did, tho' in my case I used a "compact" double, 52 X 38. 
>>> That gave me a closely spaced range from 94 down to about 40" with cruising 
>>> gears in the middle: 78/74/70 --- well, the cruising gears were really the 
>>> 74" and the 70', but close enough.
>>>
>>> The 52/38 X 15-25 replaced an also-very-nice TA 42/28 or so X 12-23 or 
>>> somesuch, replaced because I thought that the DA 7410 cranks is one of the 
>>> prettiest ever made.
>>>
>>> I got the cogs for this custom cassette from Miche. I think I've read 
>>> that "junior" racing cassettes start with the 15t.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 11:45 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 I think the reason folks are "giving away" their 53/39 cranksets is 
 that the 53 is useless.  A 53x11 is good for one thing: pedaling at 
 >>45MPH.  For those of us who only reach 45MPH on steep descents, that's a 
 useless gear.  I'd just unbolt the 53, lose the front der, and run the 
 bike 
 as a 1x9 with a 39 tooth ring and 11-36 in back.  That would do everything 
 I would need to do on a light road bike.  My absolute max I ever go to on 
 my builds is a 4:1 top gear.  That used to be a 52x13, then it was a 
 48x12, 
 and now it's a 44x11.  44/28 with an 11-36 would be sensational.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am thinking about going NOS or near-new-vintage crankset for a 
> build. Nothing against modern stuff, but eBay seems to have a plethora of 
> nice shimano 105/600 cranksets in great shape for under $100.
>
> I know 90s road bike gearing was more focused on racing with small 
> cassettes in the rear. But has anyone had success or suggestions 
> for/against getting an older shimano square taper road double with 53/39 
> or 
> 52/42ish and paired with an 11-36 9spd cassette? Seems like Riv doesn't 
> offer any doubles with outer ring bigger than 46 and the smaller rings 
> are 
> in the 20s. 
>
> I have a triple on my Sam and spend 90% of my time in the middle ring, 
> even on tough climbs, and I've had several doubles on vintage road 
> bikes/CX 
> bikes in the past.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Doug H.]

Fantastic bike Roberta! I love the personal touches you put on it to make 
it your custom Rivendell. Don't you love it when a plan comes together.
Doug

On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 9:00:09 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Yes, all of what Andy said. I have never said these words but I FEEL them 
> after reading his post. What a lovely thought, that your bike is the 
> culmination of all of your riding experiences. I’m going to think about 
> this for awhile…
>
> And, I also concur that the bike deserves a better moniker. I’ll also 
> think on THAT.
> L
>
> On Dec 27, 2023, at 6:32 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>
> Fantastic Roberta!
>
>
>
> A bike is the sum of its parts. More accurately, a sum of the stories of 
> all the parts that they represent to you. It validates all of your past 
> riding by developing preferences and aesthetics of parts you may not have 
> been keenly aware of before 2017. Most production (boxed) bikes are 
> specified for price point by choosing lower level parts for the bits most 
> riders aren't familiar with or don't notice. Building a bike like yours is 
> deeply rewarding and culminates all of your efforts, experiences and gained 
> knowledge.
>
> It's not a "retirement bike", it's a bike to provide for your "not working 
> 8 hours of each day anymore bike". In that role your Betty Foy appears 
> ready for all uses, your pictures even show a wet ground, validating 
> fenders and flaps before you've even posted an initial ride report.
>
> Makes me think of the Dr. Seuss classic, Oh, the Places You'll Go.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 8:40:01 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>>
>> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>>
>> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
>> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
>> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
>> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on 
>> the city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
>> Homer.
>>
>> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince suggested 
>> a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove 
>> to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I 
>> think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart 
>> lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The 
>> color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a sage/teal, which I like more.
>>
>> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
>> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
>> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
>> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
>> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
>> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
>> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>>
>> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in 
>> back), Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick 
>> tires are as I purchased the bike.
>>
>> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl 
>> whose Dad is on the iBob board 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ ), 
>> red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
>> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
>> Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light 
>> in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
>> honey, but I might try the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.
>>
>> Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing work with the extras, 
>> and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1 .   If you’re ever 
>> in Philadelphia, I highly recommend a stop at their shop.  They 
>> understand Rivendells (and even own a few).
>>
>> I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all the 
>> hearts paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, 
>> https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/ , who also builds Albacore 
>> handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is 
>> the one on the back side of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every 
>> time I use my basket, which is every ride.  I asked him to fill in the 
>> hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I 
>> saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[matt miller]

Nice Ram. Prettu 
blue.https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Rambouillet-54-/325944867343?&_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276

On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 12:18:30 AM UTC-6 chungeu...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Also cross posting here.
>
> 45cm Clem Smith Jr - $1950
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/san-mateo-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7695219731.html
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:06:51 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Sam 56cm just outside Asheville 
>>
>> https://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/d/hendersonville-sell-or-trade-rivendell/7696749429.html
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 4:05:09 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Roadini 54m FF + in OH
>>> $1200 +
>>>
>>> https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/bik/d/mason-rivendell-roadini-frameset-new/7696448569.html
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 5:44:16 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
 60cm Simpleone frameset - $600 - Bikelist.com - 

 https://bikelist.com/listings/60cm-rivendell-simple-one-frame-set-368513588

 62cm Quickbeam bike - $1100 - Facebook group
  Look at this post on Facebook 
 https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/permalink/6601091443332566/?mibextid=S66gvF

 Philip
 No connections to the sellers

 On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 8:09:26 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Roadini, 61cm
> $2400, Orange!
> Seattle, WA
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-large-road-bike-rivendell/7611983345.html
>
> Romulus, 24"
> $850
> Bellingham, WA
>
> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-romulus/7613561566.html
>
> Legolas, 59cm
> $3400
> Portland, OR area
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7612121082.html
>
> Atlantis, 61cm
> $2500
> Port Townsend, WA
>
> https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/nordland-rivendell-atlantis-61cm/7606421089.html
>
> Appaloosa, 56cm
> $2000
> Portland, OR
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7610380104.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[藍俊彪]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 5:56 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 2:21 PM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> ... After a while [the kids] got strong enough that a tow rope hitched to
>> my bike could drag them up the mountains, so I switched back to SPDs and it
>> felt so good.
>>
>
> Now, a picture of this would be delightful to see, tho' I expect that
> logistics mean that there are none.
>

Here's a picture, not of me, but of a friend towing his kid with the same
tow rope:
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/FMMMR4CqT1m5_gn5qV8TTQ.h2vUZWd66nwCvh8me5tNjf

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Re: [RBW] The Places Our Bikes Take Us

[larson....@gmail.com]

Great story and pictures Kim! The bicycle is the perfect vehicle to take us 
to new places and explore the world around us.
Thanks for the contribution,
Randy in WI

On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 12:42:13 AM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: IMG_2011.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 10:40:50 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> Yesterday, I decided to see if the city workers were out on their 
>> continuation of pulling up the railroad ties for the preparation of the new 
>> bicycle pedestrian trail from Yelm to Roy, WA. To my surprise, they were 
>> not here today. I took advantage of this situation and decided to have my 
>> private own adventure and explore where the city workers stopped pulling up 
>> the ties. The child in me was so excited to venture out on my blue 52cm 
>> Clem to see how it handled off road.
>>
>> The weather was cool with a lot of fog with no sight of blue sky.   The 
>> ground surface was compacted from all the heavy and repetitive machine 
>> traffic. There was long sections of imprinted tires tracks from a very 
>> large loader. For the most part, I managed well. 
>>
>> When I reached to the old railroad bridge over the Nisqually River, I 
>> found about 75 feet ? of railroad bed, where the ties were not pulled up. I 
>> decided not to or over the bridge. I was just here to take pictures and 
>> satisfy my curiosity.
>>
>> Here are some pictures.
>> [image: IMG_1999.JPG]
>>
>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:11:06 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> [image: thumbnail_20231030_162233_HDRuuu.jpg][image: 
>>> thumbnail_20231030_164024_HDRvvv.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 [image: thumbnail_20231030_161253_HDR.jpg][image: 
 thumbnail_20231030_161920_HDR.jpg]

 On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> [image: thumbnail_20231030_161003_HDR.jpg]
>
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 9:59:04 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> This afternoon, I decided to go on my second adventure to find out 
>> exactly where the end of the railroad rails were pulled up about a month 
>> ago ended for a future bicycle/pedestrian/equestrian trail near my home. 
>> It 
>> is within fifteen minutes from my house.  It was a very sunny day about 
>> 56 
>> degrees. I took my Clem and set off by myself.
>>
>> I rode on a trail along the Nisqually River as far as I could. I 
>> found a steep very short trail that lead up to the railroad bed and 
>> ties. 
>> It took awhile for me to maneuver myself with my Clem up this steep 
>> small 
>> incline, applying my brakes in slow steps. I made it alright. 
>>
>> I did not feel safe enough to ride my bike along side of the old 
>> railroad bed, because the ground was uneven and to the right of me the 
>> ground dropped off below me. I walked my bike all the way to the 
>> railroad 
>> bridge taking in all the wonderful colored golden fallen maple leaves on 
>> the ground. There was no one else around. I must have walked about more 
>> than a quarter of a mile and then some. 
>>
>> The railroad bridge finally came into my view. It has been many years 
>> since I was back here on foot. There had been a chain-link fence across 
>> the 
>> entrance of the bridge crossing to not allow people to cross it.  
>> However, 
>> this time, there was no fence on my side nor there was none across on 
>> the 
>> other side. It was all open to my surprise. In fulfilling my curiosity, 
>> the 
>> railroad rails ended to the entrance of the railroad bridge. 
>>
>> My phone rang. My wife was asking me, if I was alright. I replied, 
>> "Yes". I told her that I would call her, when I was heading back. 
>>
>> I maneuvered my Clem in and around several railroad ties in 
>> preparation to walk across the railroad bridge. This will be an exciting 
>> memory I told myself. I was very cautious in walking my Clem over and 
>> onto 
>> each railroad tie to reach the other side.  I paused occasionally to 
>> take 
>> pictures, holding my cellphone very carefully not to drop it down 
>> through 
>> the cracks of the railroad ties into the river. Each time after taking a 
>> picture, I would carefully place my phone back into my vest pocket and 
>> zip 
>> it up not to lose it. 
>>
>> About half way, I scared an adult blue heron into flight swooping out 
>> over my head, as he called out. After that, I decided to take a 180 
>> degree 
>> video with great care. I proceeded on and make it to the other side into 
>> the next county. From there, my eyes noticed that the railroad rails and 
>> ties continued on through the forest. I paused and took more pictures 
>> looking back and the river below me. The sun was slowly going down 
>> behind 
>> the trees. It 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Leah Peterson]

Yes, all of what Andy said. I have never said these words but I FEEL them after reading his post. What a lovely thought, that your bike is the culmination of all of your riding experiences. I’m going to think about this for awhile…And, I also concur that the bike deserves a better moniker. I’ll also think on THAT.LOn Dec 27, 2023, at 6:32 AM, ascpgh  wrote:Fantastic Roberta!A bike is the sum of its parts. More accurately, a sum of the stories of all the parts that they represent to you. It validates all of your past riding by developing preferences and aesthetics of parts you may not have been keenly aware of before 2017. Most production (boxed) bikes are specified for price point by choosing lower level parts for the bits most riders aren't familiar with or don't notice. Building a bike like yours is deeply rewarding and culminates all of your efforts, experiences and gained knowledge.It's not a "retirement bike", it's a bike to provide for your "not working 8 hours of each day anymore bike". In that role your Betty Foy appears ready for all uses, your pictures even show a wet ground, validating fenders and flaps before you've even posted an initial ride report.Makes me think of the Dr. Seuss classic, Oh, the Places You'll Go.Andy CheathamPittsburghOn Monday, December 25, 2023 at 8:40:01 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:What’s old is new: 
circa 2010 Betty Foy!Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.

For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on
Rivendell’s list for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I
found Rivendell in 2017.  I wanted something
1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I didn’t say short, just short-er) specifically so I could take it on
the city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 Homer.    

During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient
Vince suggested a Betty Foy.  When I saw
one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove to Brooklyn, test rode and brought
it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I
think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart lug
was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of
a sage/teal, which I like more.

It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have
built for me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our
city bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as my Platypus with its extra-long
wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have more options for mass
transportation.  The only thing I wish it
had was an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water
bottle bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.

1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift
Aventex in back), Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick tires are as I purchased
the bike.I added “extras”—SKS fenders
with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl whose Dad is on the iBob board https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ
), red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, Greenfield
kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and Dyno lighting SP
hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in honey, but I might try
the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.

Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing
work with the extras, and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1
.   If you’re ever in Philadelphia, I
highly recommend a stop at their shop. 
They understand Rivendells (and even own a few).

I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all
the hearts paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/
, who also builds Albacore handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is the one on the back side
of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every time I use my basket, which
is every ride.  I asked him to fill in
the hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I
saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!









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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[ascpgh]

Fantastic Roberta!

A bike is the sum of its parts. More accurately, a sum of the stories of 
all the parts that they represent to you. It validates all of your past 
riding by developing preferences and aesthetics of parts you may not have 
been keenly aware of before 2017. Most production (boxed) bikes are 
specified for price point by choosing lower level parts for the bits most 
riders aren't familiar with or don't notice. Building a bike like yours is 
deeply rewarding and culminates all of your efforts, experiences and gained 
knowledge.

It's not a "retirement bike", it's a bike to provide for your "not working 
8 hours of each day anymore bike". In that role your Betty Foy appears 
ready for all uses, your pictures even show a wet ground, validating 
fenders and flaps before you've even posted an initial ride report.

Makes me think of the Dr. Seuss classic, Oh, the Places You'll Go.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 8:40:01 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>
> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>
> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on the 
> city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
> Homer.
>
> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince suggested 
> a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove 
> to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I 
> think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart 
> lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The 
> color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a sage/teal, which I like more.
>
> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>
> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in back), 
> Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick tires 
> are as I purchased the bike.
>
> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl 
> whose Dad is on the iBob board 
> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ ), 
> red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
> Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light 
> in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
> honey, but I might try the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.
>
> Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing work with the extras, 
> and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1 .   If you’re ever 
> in Philadelphia, I highly recommend a stop at their shop.  They 
> understand Rivendells (and even own a few).
>
> I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all the hearts 
> paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, 
> https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/ , who also builds Albacore 
> handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is 
> the one on the back side of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every 
> time I use my basket, which is every ride.  I asked him to fill in the 
> hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I 
> saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!
>

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