[RBW] Re: HELP: My wife stole my Platypus

[Mary Franzek]

I am not good at google message thing and can't find my original post, but 
someone helped me and reposted my bike:


Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
May 7, 2023, 4:55:01 PM
to RBW Owners Bunch
Hi All,

I got an email from a woman who has a 55 cm Platypus for sale. She is not 
on the List and asked if I would forward her information and her FS 
listing. I’m hoping this is not in violation of the rules -  I will attach 
what she sent me below:

For sale:   

RIvendell Platypus 55 cm. Mermaid color, all parts included.
I love this bike, it is beautiful and rides like a dream. Unfortunately 
things have changed for me and I need to find a good home for it.
Built in 2021, It has less than 200 miles on it.  Perfect condition
The color combination is stunning.  Everything in the picture is included.
Price: $3200

Parts list includes:

Platypus55 cm. frame Mermaid color
Shimano Dura Ace 9-speed bar end shifters
IRD CAFM II Cantilever Brakes
IRD Defiant Crankset 46/30
Grand Cru Brake Levers
Jagwire Pro Ice Grey Housing & cables (brake/shifter)
Velocity Wheelset 700c Dyad QR
Velo Orange BB 118mm
Albatross HB
Graelking 700 x 38 pair
Tubes
MKS Lambda Pedals
Microshift FD R9
Microshift RD R10
Brake hangers FR / RR
Velo Orange Fenders
Nitto Rear Rack
Brooks Bar Tape
VO Striker Bell, (gives a very nice sound)
RBW Mirror-handlebar-mirror 
Sackvalle saddle bag x-small, olive
Terry saddle
Wald basket with basket net

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 10:57:43 AM UTC-5 Drurad (Sacramento) wrote:

> I recently found a new home for my 60 Cheviot (wonderful guy: J Imler - 
> see his post: 
>
>  https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/9F0fvENp3i8/m/vyhQlH8DBAAJ
>
> I then found a Platypus that was more in my size range:
>
> [image: F5697369-C0A5-48C8-971D-078D405FB04F.jpeg]
>
> However, as soon as my wife laid eyes on it, it was no longer mine.  She 
> has decided to steal my Platypus and give up her 51 Sam (I will list FS her 
> tuxedo Sam on the list soon).  
>
> This point of friction in our marriage can only be remedied in one way - 
> by me getting a new bike.  
>
> So, I am in search of a new bike.  And I have set my ambitions high on 
> this one.  I am reaching out to see if anyone has one of the following 
> bikes (frameset preferred) that they would be willing to part with:
>
> 1. Hunq - 54 
> 2. Atlantis - Toyo/Waterford - 56
> 3. Another Riv that shares a family resemblance with either of these two.
>
> Not only would it go to a good home, but you would be saving an otherwise 
> good marriage.  
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Andrew
>

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[RBW] Re: HELP: My wife stole my Platypus

[Andrew MacDonald]

Interesting! Thanks Nick. And cool Atlantis.  Do you by chance know which
era it is from? I had one that I believe was a 2003 Toyo that did not have
the s-curves.

-Andrew

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024, Old And In The Weeds <
oldandinthewe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, this era of Atlantii had gentle s-curved chainstays. Here is mine in
> the same size (attached).
>
> Nick
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024, Drurad (Sacramento)  wrote:
>
>> Still in search.  Had a close call on a 56 Atlantis that actually turned
>> out to be a 53.  And Vernon found his Hunq a new home (congrats to the new
>> owner).  I am now looking at a 56 on Facebook Marketplace.  Pretty far from
>> home, but maybe I could swing it.  Quick question: Can someone look at the
>> pics and tell me what's going on with the chainstay near the dropout.  It
>> looks kinda curvy to me.  I can't tell if my eyes are playing trick on me.
>> I read that some of the Toyo Atlantis models had curvy chainstays.  I had a
>> 58 once and it did have a pretty serious curve near the crank to allow for
>> more tire clearance with a shorter chainstay (downside was that it was hard
>> to fit a double crank without a super long BB).  I have never seen this
>> other curve near the dropouts.  What do you all think?
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1271004613561351/?
>> referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 10:05:02 PM UTC-8 Drurad (Sacramento)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's incredible marriage advice! Happy wife, happy bike, happy life.
>>> Hubbuhubbuh for the win.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 6:53 AM mgst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Marriage counseling is mandatory, and the directive = get a
 hubbuhubbuh, or you might want to call it a double platypus.
 [image: Results for- bikes - 1 of 1.jpeg]

 On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 10:57:43 AM UTC-5 Drurad (Sacramento)
 wrote:

> I recently found a new home for my 60 Cheviot (wonderful guy: J Imler
> - see his post:
>
>  https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/9F0fvENp3i8/
> m/vyhQlH8DBAAJ
>
> I then found a Platypus that was more in my size range:
>
> [image: F5697369-C0A5-48C8-971D-078D405FB04F.jpeg]
>
> However, as soon as my wife laid eyes on it, it was no longer mine.
> She has decided to steal my Platypus and give up her 51 Sam (I will list 
> FS
> her tuxedo Sam on the list soon).
>
> This point of friction in our marriage can only be remedied in one way
> - by me getting a new bike.
>
> So, I am in search of a new bike.  And I have set my ambitions high on
> this one.  I am reaching out to see if anyone has one of the following
> bikes (frameset preferred) that they would be willing to part with:
>
> 1. Hunq - 54
> 2. Atlantis - Toyo/Waterford - 56
> 3. Another Riv that shares a family resemblance with either of these
> two.
>
> Not only would it go to a good home, but you would be saving an
> otherwise good marriage.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Andrew
>
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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bay Area S24Os?

[Pancake]

Bothe in Calistoga. Good hike and bike campsite always available. Though 
this will be a better option as the Vine Trail continues to be extende, 
otherwise you get some time on Silverado Trail which is nice but … yeah, 
cars.
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:30:29 PM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:

> Hey Jesse,
>
> I've visited Samuel P many times via bike. Pre 2020, hiker biker site at 
> Samuel P was no reservation required. Even when the hiker/biker was "full" 
> there was always enough room to squeeze in. The best part of sharing the 
> site with others is hearing their stories. Some were overnighters like me, 
> others were from Europe and hiking up the California coast. You might want 
> to check on the policies of the state park as many things have changed 
> since 2020.
>
> Riding to go camping was a revelation for me. I could ride to a 
> destination, sleep, then ride back which doubled the distance between 
> points I could ride in a day. It sounds silly writing it out but was 
> totally mind blowing at the time as all my rides prior were planned around 
> getting back to where I started. 
>
> Here's a write up I did back in 2017 about riding up to Samuel P on a 
> Quickbeam.
>  https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/8AYdSsNsh7E/m/h5unB6v_AwAJ  
> 
>
> Please give us an update after your trip. always enjoy reading others ride 
> reports :)
>
> Christian
> Phoenix, AZ
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 2:40:02 PM UTC-7 jesse.b...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks! I was able to a camp reservation in Feb for Angel Isand, i'll 
>> report back on how it went. 
>>
>> Donzaemon - I think most "require" a reservation, but some do have first 
>> some site for bikers/hikers. A few friends also let me know that they have 
>> never had an issue showing up during the week. Weekends are probably a 
>> different story.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:04:36 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:
>>
>>> Does one need a reservation to camp there? Trying to plan a trip there 
>>> this spring and most of the weekend slots are gone.
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:43:26 AM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 Angel Island is an oft-overlooked destination. 
 SP Taylor State Park (though in a valley and tends to be a bit damp)
 China Camp State Park


 On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:31:42 AM UTC-8 jesse.b...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hello! I am hoping to do a lot more quick overnight trips this year 
> and was wondering if people had favorite rides and camp spots in the bay 
> area? I have a few Marin sites on my list (Pantoll, Hawk).
>
> I live in SF, but not opposed to taking bart as part of the trip.
>


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[RBW] Re: Bosco for small bikes

[iamkeith]

Nice bike, Dave.  I kind of interpreted it the same way as you.  The caveat 
being that not all old mtbs are created equal, and it probably works better 
the older they are.  By '88 / '89 or so, the frame angles had gotten so 
steep, owing to NORBA fashion, that they required a good portion of the 
rider's weight to be distributed to the handlebars.  At least that's what 
Ive concluded when trying to turn them into more upright riders.  They just 
feel twitchy without weight on the front.

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 9:27:27 AM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:

> Yes, I always guessed it was talking about rise and assuming the use of a 
> long stem.
>
> My townie is an old Univega MTB that is a bit small for me that is setup 
> with a Bosco and 120mm stem. The use of a sprung saddle helps with the seat 
> post height and the Bosco helps with the stem height. The result is very 
> upright when on the grips, but I can slide my hands forward on the bars to 
> lean forward a bit. I've tried a bunch of configurations with this bike and 
> like this setup the best but the overall feel is still not quite as good as 
> a larger bike with swept back bars (I've been spoiled by my Platypus).
>
> -Dave
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:39:46 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yeah the second one has never made sense. It'll get your bars up high on 
>> a bike with a tiny headtube but said bike will also have a short toptube. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:12:32 PM UTC-8 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone
>>>
>>> The rivbike page for the Bosco handlebars mentions this -
>>>
>>> "Here’s its best use:
>>> - Longish top tube bikes and upright riding. Mountain bike conversions 
>>> to supa-comfee cruisers.
>>> - Making too-small bikes fit and feel better."
>>>
>>> I think I understand the first use - since the handlebar reaches far 
>>> back it would make long reach bikes easier to fit. How do you make sense of 
>>> the second one? Wouldn't it make the small bikes feel smaller? Or perhaps 
>>> the reference is to the handlebars rise and not reach?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] TRP RRL Hood Black to Gum

[Andrew Turner]

I used to swap TRP hoods all the dang time when I had both hood colors. A 
little rubbing alcohol helps things move around too. 

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:32:04 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Damon — I haven't done the swap you describe. But it looks like you will 
> have a gum / black /silver colorway if you put the gum hoods on the factory 
> black levers. 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2024-01-22 at 11.30.22 AM.png]. [image: Screenshot 
> 2024-01-22 at 11.30.15 AM.png]
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:14:47 AM UTC-5 Bill Schaefer wrote:
>
>> I replaced my gum hoods with new gum hoods, since the old ones on my 
>> Atlantis were completely dry rotted and cracked when I did a re-taped the 
>> bars. The new hoods slipped over the brake levers with a little 
>> encouragement, so I didn't have  to take the levers off the bars, which was 
>> nice. Easy swap. 
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:31:43 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey Damon,
>>>
>>> I've put black hoods on the gum/silver levers and they fit fine. If I 
>>> remember correctly, the gum hoods had little nubs that would fit into holes 
>>> in the plastic body to secure it better, but the black ones didn't have the 
>>> nubs. They still fit just fine; in fact, the nubs made it harder to get the 
>>> gum hoods back on flush. So I'm sure it would also work for the way you're 
>>> describing. Here's a pic of both gum and black on my old Soma-
>>>
>>> ~Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2024, at 14:10, DTL  wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone swapped the hoods?
>>>
>>>
>>> The gum levers have a 'grey' portion between the hood and the lever - so 
>>> can I assume if I put the gum hoods on originally black / silver levers, I 
>>> would have a gum / black / silver lever?
>>>
>>> Has anyone swapped out hoods? Would love to see photos.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro R559 brakes, Shimano 105 RD, Fabric Scoop Pro Radius Saddle

[Johnny Alien]

The brakes are claimed.

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:35:23 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I am still trying to reduce my stockpile pf parts. 
>
> 1. Tektro R559 long reach caliper brakes. These are new but out of a 
> package which is how Rivendell sells them for some reason. Also the logo on 
> one is light gray on one and black on the other. I don't second guess what 
> Rivendell sells me. Allen head version. *$50 shipped*
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/brakes-sidepull-tektro-r559-allen
>
> 2. Shimano short cage rear derailler. 105 in a sleek matte silver color. I 
> got this for a roadini so it would be great for a road setup. Light and 
> attractive. Here is a page that gives you all of the details. I bought it 
> new but there seems to be some small marks from storage. Nothing that can 
> be seen without inspecting it closely. *$30 shipped*
>
>
> https://www.thebikesmiths.com/products/shimano-rd5701?variant=39726174634144
>
> 3. Fabric Pro Radius Saddle. These are high high high on my recommend 
> list. I am moving this along because my stash of Fabric saddles exceeds 
> what I will need to use for a long time. My two favorite saddles are the 
> Fabric Scoop and the Fizik Aliante. But the Fizik is a different style now 
> so these win out. They are comfortable, great for almost all riding styles, 
> non-leather (huge plus for an animal lover such as myself) and silly light. 
> Just under 200 grams. Its carbon but don't let Grant convince you these 
> aren't great.  Its in really good shape. I am not sure if this one was ever 
> mounted or used. If it was it was low miles. *$50 shipped*
>
> https://fabric.cc/products/saddles/scoop-pro-radius-142mm-saddle/
>
> [image: PXL_20240122_200108969.jpg][image: PXL_20240122_200204824.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Favorite Bay Area S24Os?

[Jim M.]

This being the Riv list, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Mt Diablo. 
There are sanctioned campgrounds, but there is a lot of space for 
unsanctioned camping. Just don't light a campfire at the unsanctioned 
spots. 

jim mather
walnut creek ca

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 7:33:28 AM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:

> Bothe in Calistoga. Good hike and bike campsite always available. Though 
> this will be a better option as the Vine Trail continues to be extende, 
> otherwise you get some time on Silverado Trail which is nice but … yeah, 
> cars.
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:30:29 PM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:
>
>> Hey Jesse,
>>
>> I've visited Samuel P many times via bike. Pre 2020, hiker biker site at 
>> Samuel P was no reservation required. Even when the hiker/biker was "full" 
>> there was always enough room to squeeze in. The best part of sharing the 
>> site with others is hearing their stories. Some were overnighters like me, 
>> others were from Europe and hiking up the California coast. You might want 
>> to check on the policies of the state park as many things have changed 
>> since 2020.
>>
>> Riding to go camping was a revelation for me. I could ride to a 
>> destination, sleep, then ride back which doubled the distance between 
>> points I could ride in a day. It sounds silly writing it out but was 
>> totally mind blowing at the time as all my rides prior were planned around 
>> getting back to where I started. 
>>
>> Here's a write up I did back in 2017 about riding up to Samuel P on a 
>> Quickbeam.
>>  https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/8AYdSsNsh7E/m/h5unB6v_AwAJ  
>> 
>>
>> Please give us an update after your trip. always enjoy reading others 
>> ride reports :)
>>
>> Christian
>> Phoenix, AZ
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 2:40:02 PM UTC-7 jesse.b...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! I was able to a camp reservation in Feb for Angel Isand, i'll 
>>> report back on how it went. 
>>>
>>> Donzaemon - I think most "require" a reservation, but some do have first 
>>> some site for bikers/hikers. A few friends also let me know that they have 
>>> never had an issue showing up during the week. Weekends are probably a 
>>> different story.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:04:36 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:
>>>
 Does one need a reservation to camp there? Trying to plan a trip there 
 this spring and most of the weekend slots are gone.

 Don

 On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:43:26 AM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Angel Island is an oft-overlooked destination. 
> SP Taylor State Park (though in a valley and tends to be a bit damp)
> China Camp State Park
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:31:42 AM UTC-8 jesse.b...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello! I am hoping to do a lot more quick overnight trips this year 
>> and was wondering if people had favorite rides and camp spots in the bay 
>> area? I have a few Marin sites on my list (Pantoll, Hawk).
>>
>> I live in SF, but not opposed to taking bart as part of the trip.
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto, MicroShift, Brooks, Shimano

[jaredwilson]

Hey gang,

Clearing out some unneeded parts in the new year, hope some of you can make 
use of these items.

*From a Clem complete circa 2019, low miles/usage:*

55cm Nitto Bosco handlebars + 120mm Nitto Tallux - $100 + ship (might split 
up but prefer to sell as a pair)

MicroShift 9 speed SL-T09 thumb shifters - $40 plus ship

Shimano FD-M618 front derailer - $10 + ship

*Other:*

Brooks B67S, brown, good used condition, approx. 500 miles - $75 + ship

Nitto R10 rear bag support, purchased as new/unused from other list member 
- $100 + ship

Shimano BB-UN300 68x122, installed for ~ 2 miles - $10 + ship

MicroShift TS39-2L 2x trigger shifter, NIB - $10 + ship

Shimano Altus SL-M2010 9 speed trigger shifter, new - $20 + ship

PICTURES 


Please respond off list to jaredwilson327 at gmail if interested

Thanks :)

jared in SC, CA


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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

[jaredwilson]

Love this build, and good info as I'm also 6'1 with an 89cm PBH.

Hope you get tons of lovely miles out of this beaut!

jared

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 7:28:29 PM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Solid bike, Brent! So glad to see how nicely it turned out, especially 
> with that gorgeous silver drivetrain.
>
> I've got about 300ish miles on my Roadini now and I couldn't be happier. 
> Oddly enough, I have been spending more time on my Hillborne because I 
> don't want to feel guilty by leaving it in the garage. Can't wait to hear 
> your impression by the end of the summer.almost wondering if you'll 
> prefer the Leo to the Sam.
>
> Happy trails,
> Tony
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:27:41 PM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Took the Roadini for a 3 mile test ride and safety check and got some 
>> initial impressions. 
>>
>> 1. It felt expectedly similar to my Sam. The cockpit was a direct swap 
>> from Sam to Leo, makes sense. I bombed a lil hill that turned into gravel, 
>> felt very stable even when a dog ran out at me to join at my flank. I then 
>> climbed a steep street, seated in 36Fx30R, which is promising knowing I 
>> have a 24t option in front and will climb longer/steeper. If I stripped my 
>> Sam and put on slicks I’d be just as fast. Do I regret building this bike? 
>> Not yet and not likely. 
>>
>> 2. This seat won’t suit me for longer rides. My sit bones felt like they 
>> were on a wood beam. 
>>
>> 3. Even with the tall stack, sloped top tube, and my long arms, I still 
>> wished my hoods were 2” closer to me. 
>>
>> Sunshine has yet to hit this bike.  ¯\_(˘͡ ˘̯)_/¯ 
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2024, at 2:21 PM, Jay  wrote:
>>
>> Looks great.  You have me questioning the Dark Gold I selected ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For the seat height inquiries:
>>>
>>> Both my bikes are currently 41” top of saddle to the ground. The Roadini 
>>> has less BB drop so top of saddle to crank bolt center is 31”, where the 
>>> Sam is 31.5”. I may end up raising the saddle on the Roadini. Hard to 
>>> compare a broken in B17 to C17 as well. I could probably raise both seats 
>>> 1” and still have a knee bend at bottom of pedal stroke. 
>>>
>>> I am 6’1” with 89cm PBH 
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2024, at 11:10 AM, John Bokman  wrote:
>>>
>>> Brenton, thanks for the post; nice looking bike. As weather allows, 
>>> please let us know how this bike rides compared to your Sam (especially 
>>> when it was in drop-bar mode). I'm sure I'm not the only Sam rider who is 
>>> curious about this comparison.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:49:51 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I haven't ridden it enough to decide if it was the perfect +1 yet, but 
 it was a fun project. I will report back after some miles.

 It was great way to spend my time during 2 weeks of Portland 
 snow+ice+wind. Did lots of research, and learned a ton more about 
 components I was only mildly interested in before. Shopping for NOS+used 
 parts on eBay was surprisingly fun, especially if you're after components 
 that most folks ignore. I watched all the "built by blue lug" videos, 
 highly recommend watching for both zen, appreciation of expertise, and 
 educational instruction (though they are not intentionally instructional).


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[RBW] WTT 700c for 650b Tires

[maxcr]

I've restarted work on my 650b projects but I don't have much in terms of 
tires in my parts bin so I figured I'd ask here:

Here is what I have for trade:

*Tires:*
My Cava UDs 700x42 (lots of tread left)
Or my Soma Shikoros 700x42 (only a few miles, like new) 

For your 650b lightweight/supple tires (Extralight Rene Herse BabyShoe pass 
would be ideal and I'm happy to throw $$ depending on what you have, but 
other supple / light tires 42-48 will do)

What do you have?

Max in Boston

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bosco for small bikes

[Patrick Moore]

I have to differ about NORBA-era mountain bike conversions compared to
earlier, much slacker designs. I've converted 5 NORBA-era rigid mtbs to all
rounder use, with "tourist" and with drop bars -- the latter using upjutter
stems -- the 10 cm Nitto Dirt Drop worked very well; and I've converted at
least 1 slacker, pre-NORBA design. The NORBAs rode nicely -- sedately but
very pleasantly; a wee bit slower to turn in than my Ram -- this with
sufficiently fat tires; they're horrible with skinny tires; while the
slacker one rode like a wheelbarrow.

With upjutter stems I was able to get a comfortable drop bar position with
weight comfortably distributed despite the too-long top tubes, where I
could ride comfortably on the hoods and in the hooks with my torso and not
my shoulders-arms-hands taking the weight -- essentially, a relaxed road
bike position.

Different people, different preferences of course, but I do think that how
you set up a NORBA-type frame makes a huge difference in how it fits,
feels, and handles.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 10:41 AM iamkeith  wrote:

> Nice bike, Dave.  I kind of interpreted it the same way as you.  The
> caveat being that not all old mtbs are created equal, and it probably works
> better the older they are.  By '88 / '89 or so, the frame angles had gotten
> so steep, owing to NORBA fashion, that they required a good portion of the
> rider's weight to be distributed to the handlebars.  At least that's what
> Ive concluded when trying to turn them into more upright riders.  They just
> feel twitchy without weight on the front.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bosco for small bikes

[Patrick Moore]

The pre-NORBA bike was a pristine Cycle Pro, as I just recall.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 2:57 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I have to differ about NORBA-era mountain bike conversions compared to
> earlier, much slacker designs. I've converted 5 NORBA-era rigid mtbs to all
> rounder use, with "tourist" and with drop bars -- the latter using upjutter
> stems -- the 10 cm Nitto Dirt Drop worked very well; and I've converted at
> least 1 slacker, pre-NORBA design. The NORBAs rode nicely -- sedately but
> very pleasantly; a wee bit slower to turn in than my Ram -- this with
> sufficiently fat tires; they're horrible with skinny tires; while the
> slacker one rode like a wheelbarrow.
>
> With upjutter stems I was able to get a comfortable drop bar position with
> weight comfortably distributed despite the too-long top tubes, where I
> could ride comfortably on the hoods and in the hooks with my torso and not
> my shoulders-arms-hands taking the weight -- essentially, a relaxed road
> bike position.
>
> Different people, different preferences of course, but I do think that how
> you set up a NORBA-type frame makes a huge difference in how it fits,
> feels, and handles.
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 10:41 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> Nice bike, Dave.  I kind of interpreted it the same way as you.  The
>> caveat being that not all old mtbs are created equal, and it probably works
>> better the older they are.  By '88 / '89 or so, the frame angles had gotten
>> so steep, owing to NORBA fashion, that they required a good portion of the
>> rider's weight to be distributed to the handlebars.  At least that's what
>> Ive concluded when trying to turn them into more upright riders.  They just
>> feel twitchy without weight on the front.
>
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Re: [RBW] TRP RRL Hood Black to Gum

[DTL]

Thanks all for your replies.
I can see from your photo mark it confirms what I had thought! 
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 5:20:27 AM UTC+11 andyree...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I used to swap TRP hoods all the dang time when I had both hood colors. A 
> little rubbing alcohol helps things move around too. 
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:32:04 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Damon — I haven't done the swap you describe. But it looks like you will 
>> have a gum / black /silver colorway if you put the gum hoods on the factory 
>> black levers. 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-01-22 at 11.30.22 AM.png]. [image: Screenshot 
>> 2024-01-22 at 11.30.15 AM.png]
>>
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:14:47 AM UTC-5 Bill Schaefer wrote:
>>
>>> I replaced my gum hoods with new gum hoods, since the old ones on my 
>>> Atlantis were completely dry rotted and cracked when I did a re-taped the 
>>> bars. The new hoods slipped over the brake levers with a little 
>>> encouragement, so I didn't have  to take the levers off the bars, which was 
>>> nice. Easy swap. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 9:31:43 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Hey Damon,

 I've put black hoods on the gum/silver levers and they fit fine. If I 
 remember correctly, the gum hoods had little nubs that would fit into 
 holes 
 in the plastic body to secure it better, but the black ones didn't have 
 the 
 nubs. They still fit just fine; in fact, the nubs made it harder to get 
 the 
 gum hoods back on flush. So I'm sure it would also work for the way you're 
 describing. Here's a pic of both gum and black on my old Soma-

 ~Mark


 [image: image0.jpeg]



 On Jan 21, 2024, at 14:10, DTL  wrote:

 Has anyone swapped the hoods?


 The gum levers have a 'grey' portion between the hood and the lever - 
 so can I assume if I put the gum hoods on originally black / silver 
 levers, 
 I would have a gum / black / silver lever?

 Has anyone swapped out hoods? Would love to see photos.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, MicroShift, Brooks, Shimano

[jaredwilson]

MicroShift thumbies pending...

jared

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 12:42:29 PM UTC-8 jaredwilson wrote:

> Hey gang,
>
> Clearing out some unneeded parts in the new year, hope some of you can 
> make use of these items.
>
> *From a Clem complete circa 2019, low miles/usage:*
>
> 55cm Nitto Bosco handlebars + 120mm Nitto Tallux - $100 + ship (might 
> split up but prefer to sell as a pair)
>
> MicroShift 9 speed SL-T09 thumb shifters - $40 plus ship
>
> Shimano FD-M618 front derailer - $10 + ship
>
> *Other:*
>
> Brooks B67S, brown, good used condition, approx. 500 miles - $75 + ship
>
> Nitto R10 rear bag support, purchased as new/unused from other list member 
> - $100 + ship
>
> Shimano BB-UN300 68x122, installed for ~ 2 miles - $10 + ship
>
> MicroShift TS39-2L 2x trigger shifter, NIB - $10 + ship
>
> Shimano Altus SL-M2010 9 speed trigger shifter, new - $20 + ship
>
> PICTURES 
> 
>
> Please respond off list to jaredwilson327 at gmail if interested
>
> Thanks :)
>
> jared in SC, CA
>
>
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[RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

[Doug H.]

I too am intrigued by the Charlie Gallop. I saw Russ interview Grant on 
Path Less Pedaled Link  and 
Grant showed a prototype and talked about the design and purpose of the 
bike. If I don't buy a Roadini then I will wait for the Gallop in August.
Doug

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:33:11 PM UTC-5 ScaD wrote:

> I'd like to grab an Appaloosa - curious about the colors that will be on 
> offer. 
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 4:03:05 PM UTC-5 drewfi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Saw this in the last email:
>>
>>
>>- February - Clems
>>- March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
>>- April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
>>- May - Sam Hillbornes
>>- June - Appaloosas
>>- July - Platypus bikes and frames
>>- August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info later
>>- September - Roadini
>>
>> Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans 
>> to pick up a new frame in 2024? 
>>
>> Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement 
>> is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there 
>> still pining for that turquoise dream? 
>>
>> - Drew  
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: 57cm Appaloosa

[Trevor Oleniuk]

Bump again?

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 10:22:14 PM UTC-6 Trevor Oleniuk wrote:

> Giving this a wee bump for the new year!
>
> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> FS: Appaloosa 57cm Purple 
>> 
>> groups.google.com 
>> 
>> [image: groups_32dp.png] 
>>  
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2023, at 7:43 PM, 'Ken Geel' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Looking for the same, preferably in Silver. Have 59cm Atlantis, but it’s 
>> a little too big
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2023, at 10:02 PM, Trevor Oleniuk  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am starting to think of a new build for 2024. A 57cm Appaloosa seems 
>> like the ticket.
>>
>> I am looking for something that is in decent shape (no dents, cracks, 
>> bends, etc.) and am not necessarily picky on colour. A light blue one or 
>> orange could be cool. A green one could be cool? 
>>
>> I am only needing frame/fork/headset/seatpost. I might be interested in 
>> other components if you have them, but I am mostly looking for a budget 
>> build.
>>
>> My biggest goal is to find something reasonable in price. You must also 
>> be willing to ship to Canada. Bonus points if you're also in Canada.
>>
>> Hit me up if you've got what I'm after.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Trevor
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[RBW] B17 alternatives

[Brenton Eastman]

I have a B17 on my Sam that I love. 12 years old and showing very little 
wear. It's the last thing I think about on all-day rides.

I bought a pre owned "broken in" C17 for my Roadini build and I think I'll 
pass it along. Just feels like it will never be comfortable.

Anyone here have other saddles they enjoy? Maybe something lighter weight 
and/or more modern looking, while still having all day comfort.

If not I'll just get another B17 and be content!

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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[mikel66...@juno.com]

Rivet Pearl saddle is close to a B17

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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[rltilley]

I love the B17 and the non-leather saddle that equals it in comfort for me is the WTB Pure V saddle. They now make the Pure but that one felt slightly different to me. I stashed a few of the Pure V’s away since they are harder to find. This is the one I like:WTB Pure V Race SE Saddle - BLACKamazon.comI do have the WTB Volt on one bike and that one is also very comfortable so far. Mine is the Cromoly medium width version. They do make ti and carbon railed versions as well.Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn Jan 23, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Brenton Eastman  wrote:I have a B17 on my Sam that I love. 12 years old and showing very little wear. It's the last thing I think about on all-day rides.I bought a pre owned "broken in" C17 for my Roadini build and I think I'll pass it along. Just feels like it will never be comfortable.Anyone here have other saddles they enjoy? Maybe something lighter weight and/or more modern looking, while still having all day comfort.If not I'll just get another B17 and be content!



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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build is complete

[John]

Awesome build! The Sergio green is great. Curious to hear how you think it 
rides. I've got an All City Space Horse that while not spot on, is pretty 
close to the geo of a Roadini, that I absolutely love.

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[RBW] Re: Nitto & Rene Herse front racks, lugged stem & seat post, Berthoud saddle bag, & Brooks Colt saddle

[Logan Eiland]

M18 rack claimedOn Jan 21, 2024, at 2:59 PM, Logan Eiland  wrote:Hello,This is a belated update of my for sale post back from last Fall. Thanks to everyone who bought something. I am sharing an updated list below and hoping to move on from the rest of it to help fund the set up of a 60cm Quickbeam that I picked up thanks to the RBW list (Quickbeam basement project - until single digit temps let up - pictured at the end). See photos for condition of listed parts and feel free to reach out with questions or offers.Berthoud saddle bag w/klickfix attachment - $55 + shipping.Used. Bought from another list member a while back and then used it last Summer and Fall. Leather and canvas seem to be in pretty good condition. See pictures.Nitto M18 front rack with an extra strut + Nitto light mount - $75 + shippingI did a somewhat messy job shortening the struts with a hacksaw. Struts remain straight but are rough on the ends.Rene Herse CP-1 front rack for center pull brakes - $175 + shippingGreat condition. Will include hardware for mounting on center pull postsChaco bars 54cmx25.4 - $75 + shippingMounted in stem but unused. Nitto lugged stem (110x26.0) & seat post (27.2) - $120ea or $200 together + shippingGreat condition, no scratches. Brooks colt saddle with copper rivets - $100 + shippingI bought this second hand and it appears unused. No obvious indents or signs of being worn in. No rust underneath.Thanks,Logan



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[RBW] Re: Silver crank arm trade

[Luke Whitmore]

LeRoy,

Thanks for this suggestion! I might expand the search down the line.

best,


Luke

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 10:14:41 PM UTC-6 LeRoy wrote:

> There also exists a 173mm Silver crank arm size. If that would also suit 
> your needs, you can expand your search possibilities by adding the 173 size 
> t to your wish list.
>
> Leroy
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:36:54 PM UTC-5 Luke Whitmore wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I have a Clem H (size 59) that came to me with the stock Silver cranks at 
>> the 178 length with the 38/24 double chainring setup. I'm thinking that I 
>> would like to explore using a shorter crank. I'm curious is there is anyone 
>> out there who has the same setup but with 170 length Silver cranks. If so 
>> perhaps we could explore a crank arm trade. Please DM me to explore this 
>> further, request pictures, etc...
>>
>> best,
>>
>>
>> Luke
>>
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[RBW] WTB Atlantis 54.5

[Don Lee]

Hello all! Hoping to find an Atlantis 54.5 (Toyo or Waterford) complete or 
frame. Please let me know if you have any leads!

Just learned of this group and love how informative the posts are. Also quite 
envy of the awesome builds I’ve seen on here.

Hoping to join the club and share my enthusiasm with you all!

Thanks!

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