[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Queen's Ransom (Sort of)

[Mathias Steiner]

Great ride report, thanks! 
Can you please expound a bit on what  you did for water? 
That cannot have been trivial, looking at those pictures.
cheers -mathias


On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 12:26:32 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Yes,  Diana, it's a very special desert indeed! 
>
> To attach photos I used the 'Insert Photo Attachment' tool at the bottom. 
> If your photos are too large of a file size, you will continue to get the 
> message you have been getting. Here are the export settings (Apple Photos) 
> I use for my photos which come out to about 500-600 KB each. Hope this 
> helps.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2024-03-14 at 9.21.05 PM.png]
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I love the Sonoran desert! Can't wait to move back. Thanks for the great 
>> pictures. How did you attach them to your message? When I tried I got 
>> nonstop errors saying my message was too large.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 4:43:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0444.jpeg]
>>>
>>> In mid-February my friend and I put our skis away for a couple of weeks 
>>> and headed to the Sonoran desert for a roll through that beautiful 
>>> landscape. Weeks of rain preceding our trip left a carpet of green through 
>>> which ribbons of desert singletrack twisted, climbed, and dipped beneath 
>>> red stone mountains and narrow canyons. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0427.jpeg]
>>>
>>> The cacti were fat and happy while they waited for days long and warm 
>>> enough to bring on a spectacular bloom this Spring. Cold, starry nights 
>>> made for perfect camping, and riding beneath a toasty sun thawed the 
>>> morning chill. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2736.jpeg]
>>>
>>> We planned to ride a mash-up of The Queen's Ransom 
>>>  and The Gila River 
>>> Ramble  
>>> hoping
>>>  
>>> to forgo the trek to Florence and the Southeastern suburbs of the Phoenix 
>>> metroplex. Instead, we would meander the looping trails and canyons between 
>>> the Superstition Mountains and the Gila River. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2776.jpeg]
>>>
>>> TQR Creator John Schilling suggests between four and six days to ride 
>>> the route, so we figured eight days would give us plenty of time to roll 
>>> casually through the Sonoran and take in the incredible beauty of this 
>>> place. What we didn't take into account was that the price of admission to 
>>> this breathtaking landscape was steep- literally and figuratively. It was 
>>> only half way through the first day when I began to realize that 
>>> Schilling's estimate surely applied to riders 20 years younger on bikes 20 
>>> pounds lighter and, perhaps, a 100% more eager to let ‘er rip.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0442 (1).jpeg]
>>>
>>> Instead, as is always the case when my buddy and I team up, we rode, 
>>> pushed, suffered, and savored at a ‘my contact lens is around here 
>>> somewhere’ pace. Though we certainly enjoy speedy descents on single track 
>>> or fire roads, the Sonoran is a biome bursting with life and invites a more 
>>> intentional approach. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2743.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Our eight days cruising on bikes included plenty of time out of the 
>>> saddle to kick stones and poke around in the plants that were, in fact, so 
>>> eager to poke us. Our days alternated between riding sweet single track or 
>>> pleasant gravel roads and pushing bikes up narrow, rocky outcroppings. It 
>>> was a challenging ride that left us ready to roll out our sleeping bags 
>>> each evening. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0436.jpeg]
>>>
>>> About an hour or so before sunset we’d begin to scope out a place to 
>>> camp- a patch of grass among the saguaros or a grassy slope beneath the 
>>> soaring walls of a canyon. Each evening we made sure there was plenty of 
>>> time to enjoy the sublime Arizona sunsets with a mug of tea in hand.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2719.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Highlights of this ride include twice riding through Arnette Canyon 
>>> where the flowing Arnette creek provided opportunities to cool off in 
>>> fresh, clear water. Adjacent to this was Telegraph Canyon where we spent 
>>> most of a day hiking along the Telegraph Creek spotting golden eagles. 
>>> Riding the Arizona trail south from Picketpost Mountain was fast and fun, 
>>> and our final day of riding brought us back to the Usury mountain trails in 
>>> Mesa where we looped round and round on hardback sand dodging saguaros and 
>>> chollos until sunset.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2813.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Schilling's 'Queen's Ransom' has pieced together a marvelous, 
>>> challenging ride through gorgeous country. We never did make it to the Gila 
>>> river, but compared to what we did ride and see this hardly matters. 
>>> There’s plenty of beautiful touring to be done out in the Sonoran, so if we 
>>> have to go back next winter to see the Gila, then so be it.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2822.jpeg]
>>>

[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[Steve]

Vincent, Garth's comments regarding cross chaining sure do seem like a 
likely explanation for the accelerated wear on the outer two cogs.  Looking 
at your picture of the bike, it appears the cranks are mounted on a fairly 
narrow bottom bracket spindle. If the spindle is narrow enough to move your 
chain line inboard - further away from the smaller cogs on the rear end - 
that would likely accelerate wear on those cogs. Frequent cross chaining 
from the inner chain ring to those smaller cogs would amplify the effect. 
Might be worth your trouble to check the chain line as you try to solve the 
riddle. 

Steve


On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:11:32 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Vincent,
>
> That Clem is beautiful, but your shifting issue sounds frustrating. Are 
> you running a 9-speed cassette in the back? I had the indexing Sunrace 
> thumbie on my Rivendell and performance felt just ok. My vintage Suntour 
> thumb shifters from 1983 were better, and now I have a Riv silver thumbie 
> on and it's also better. I suggest you buy one Riv silver thumbie and try 
> that out. I clearly remember the PDF saying the stock shifters clicked but 
> did not index. 
>
> Also, consider that the Altus rear derailleur is a $13 part. Maybe it's 
> just not up for your rough rides on the train tracks? I have a silver 
> thumbie with the SRAM GX 10 speed rear derailleur shifting a 9-speed 
> cassette, and it works perfectly. I highly recommend it. It has a clutch on 
> it so you can forget about chain slap and dropped chains. It's available 
> for nice prices because the trend in mountain bikes is now 12 speeds. (A 
> matching 10 speed click shifter is also available for cheap, but I haven't 
> tried it.)
>
> I also have a narrow-wide chainring on the front. Perhaps you should 
> consider one. How often are you using the biggest chainring? For me it's 
> never (I took it off) because live in a city and commute so I rarely get up 
> to speed for longer than 4 minutes. Are you regularly cruising above 15 
> MPH? If not, go lower with your gearing. Wolf-Tooth and Stridsland both 
> have excellent narrow-wide chainrings that will fit your cranks. Fewer 
> moving parts is a nice thing for your bike. 
>
> I hope this helps. Happy riding. 
>
> Michael 
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 11:40:52 PM UTC-4 Vincent Tamer wrote:
>
>> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
>> complete Clem.
>>
>> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
>> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
>> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
>> force on the first two gears.
>>
>> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due to 
>> the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
>> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>>
>> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
>> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
>> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>>
>> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they 
>> have some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide 
>> with a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on 
>> my part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
>> stripped cogs. 
>>
>> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want 
>> to but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
>> situation? Thank you!
>>
>> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
>> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
>> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: 
>> shifter.jpg]
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a61c8cda-6448-4000-b012-170ce846e011n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Queen's Ransom (Sort of)

[Kim H.]

@John,
Thank-you so much for sharing your ride report in the Sonora Desert. Very 
beautiful indeed. Your words of description are wonderfully written through 
your writer's voice and very much appreciated. 

Kim Hetzel. 

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 4:15:30 AM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great ride report, thanks! 
> Can you please expound a bit on what  you did for water? 
> That cannot have been trivial, looking at those pictures.
> cheers -mathias
>
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 12:26:32 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Yes,  Diana, it's a very special desert indeed! 
>>
>> To attach photos I used the 'Insert Photo Attachment' tool at the bottom. 
>> If your photos are too large of a file size, you will continue to get the 
>> message you have been getting. Here are the export settings (Apple Photos) 
>> I use for my photos which come out to about 500-600 KB each. Hope this 
>> helps.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-03-14 at 9.21.05 PM.png]
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love the Sonoran desert! Can't wait to move back. Thanks for the great 
>>> pictures. How did you attach them to your message? When I tried I got 
>>> nonstop errors saying my message was too large.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 4:43:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0444.jpeg]

 In mid-February my friend and I put our skis away for a couple of weeks 
 and headed to the Sonoran desert for a roll through that beautiful 
 landscape. Weeks of rain preceding our trip left a carpet of green through 
 which ribbons of desert singletrack twisted, climbed, and dipped beneath 
 red stone mountains and narrow canyons. 

 [image: IMG_0427.jpeg]

 The cacti were fat and happy while they waited for days long and warm 
 enough to bring on a spectacular bloom this Spring. Cold, starry nights 
 made for perfect camping, and riding beneath a toasty sun thawed the 
 morning chill. 

 [image: IMG_2736.jpeg]

 We planned to ride a mash-up of The Queen's Ransom 
  and The Gila River 
 Ramble  
 hoping
  
 to forgo the trek to Florence and the Southeastern suburbs of the Phoenix 
 metroplex. Instead, we would meander the looping trails and canyons 
 between 
 the Superstition Mountains and the Gila River. 

 [image: IMG_2776.jpeg]

 TQR Creator John Schilling suggests between four and six days to ride 
 the route, so we figured eight days would give us plenty of time to roll 
 casually through the Sonoran and take in the incredible beauty of this 
 place. What we didn't take into account was that the price of admission to 
 this breathtaking landscape was steep- literally and figuratively. It was 
 only half way through the first day when I began to realize that 
 Schilling's estimate surely applied to riders 20 years younger on bikes 20 
 pounds lighter and, perhaps, a 100% more eager to let ‘er rip.

 [image: IMG_0442 (1).jpeg]

 Instead, as is always the case when my buddy and I team up, we rode, 
 pushed, suffered, and savored at a ‘my contact lens is around here 
 somewhere’ pace. Though we certainly enjoy speedy descents on single track 
 or fire roads, the Sonoran is a biome bursting with life and invites a 
 more 
 intentional approach. 

 [image: IMG_2743.jpeg]

 Our eight days cruising on bikes included plenty of time out of the 
 saddle to kick stones and poke around in the plants that were, in fact, so 
 eager to poke us. Our days alternated between riding sweet single track or 
 pleasant gravel roads and pushing bikes up narrow, rocky outcroppings. It 
 was a challenging ride that left us ready to roll out our sleeping bags 
 each evening. 

 [image: IMG_0436.jpeg]

 About an hour or so before sunset we’d begin to scope out a place to 
 camp- a patch of grass among the saguaros or a grassy slope beneath the 
 soaring walls of a canyon. Each evening we made sure there was plenty of 
 time to enjoy the sublime Arizona sunsets with a mug of tea in hand.

 [image: IMG_2719.jpeg]

 Highlights of this ride include twice riding through Arnette Canyon 
 where the flowing Arnette creek provided opportunities to cool off in 
 fresh, clear water. Adjacent to this was Telegraph Canyon where we spent 
 most of a day hiking along the Telegraph Creek spotting golden eagles. 
 Riding the Arizona trail south from Picketpost Mountain was fast and fun, 
 and our final day of riding brought us back to the Usury mountain trails 
 in 
 Mesa where we looped round and round on hardback sand dodging saguaros and 
 chollos until sunset.

 [i

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Queen's Ransom (Sort of)

[Steve]

John, excellent!  Nice photos too. Thanks for sharing your experience with 
us. As a South-easterner (North Carolina) I find the Southwest exotically 
beautiful - and in particular, the Sonoran desert. 

Steve

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:15:30 AM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great ride report, thanks! 
> Can you please expound a bit on what  you did for water? 
> That cannot have been trivial, looking at those pictures.
> cheers -mathias
>
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 12:26:32 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Yes,  Diana, it's a very special desert indeed! 
>>
>> To attach photos I used the 'Insert Photo Attachment' tool at the bottom. 
>> If your photos are too large of a file size, you will continue to get the 
>> message you have been getting. Here are the export settings (Apple Photos) 
>> I use for my photos which come out to about 500-600 KB each. Hope this 
>> helps.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-03-14 at 9.21.05 PM.png]
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love the Sonoran desert! Can't wait to move back. Thanks for the great 
>>> pictures. How did you attach them to your message? When I tried I got 
>>> nonstop errors saying my message was too large.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 4:43:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0444.jpeg]

 In mid-February my friend and I put our skis away for a couple of weeks 
 and headed to the Sonoran desert for a roll through that beautiful 
 landscape. Weeks of rain preceding our trip left a carpet of green through 
 which ribbons of desert singletrack twisted, climbed, and dipped beneath 
 red stone mountains and narrow canyons. 

 [image: IMG_0427.jpeg]

 The cacti were fat and happy while they waited for days long and warm 
 enough to bring on a spectacular bloom this Spring. Cold, starry nights 
 made for perfect camping, and riding beneath a toasty sun thawed the 
 morning chill. 

 [image: IMG_2736.jpeg]

 We planned to ride a mash-up of The Queen's Ransom 
  and The Gila River 
 Ramble  
 hoping
  
 to forgo the trek to Florence and the Southeastern suburbs of the Phoenix 
 metroplex. Instead, we would meander the looping trails and canyons 
 between 
 the Superstition Mountains and the Gila River. 

 [image: IMG_2776.jpeg]

 TQR Creator John Schilling suggests between four and six days to ride 
 the route, so we figured eight days would give us plenty of time to roll 
 casually through the Sonoran and take in the incredible beauty of this 
 place. What we didn't take into account was that the price of admission to 
 this breathtaking landscape was steep- literally and figuratively. It was 
 only half way through the first day when I began to realize that 
 Schilling's estimate surely applied to riders 20 years younger on bikes 20 
 pounds lighter and, perhaps, a 100% more eager to let ‘er rip.

 [image: IMG_0442 (1).jpeg]

 Instead, as is always the case when my buddy and I team up, we rode, 
 pushed, suffered, and savored at a ‘my contact lens is around here 
 somewhere’ pace. Though we certainly enjoy speedy descents on single track 
 or fire roads, the Sonoran is a biome bursting with life and invites a 
 more 
 intentional approach. 

 [image: IMG_2743.jpeg]

 Our eight days cruising on bikes included plenty of time out of the 
 saddle to kick stones and poke around in the plants that were, in fact, so 
 eager to poke us. Our days alternated between riding sweet single track or 
 pleasant gravel roads and pushing bikes up narrow, rocky outcroppings. It 
 was a challenging ride that left us ready to roll out our sleeping bags 
 each evening. 

 [image: IMG_0436.jpeg]

 About an hour or so before sunset we’d begin to scope out a place to 
 camp- a patch of grass among the saguaros or a grassy slope beneath the 
 soaring walls of a canyon. Each evening we made sure there was plenty of 
 time to enjoy the sublime Arizona sunsets with a mug of tea in hand.

 [image: IMG_2719.jpeg]

 Highlights of this ride include twice riding through Arnette Canyon 
 where the flowing Arnette creek provided opportunities to cool off in 
 fresh, clear water. Adjacent to this was Telegraph Canyon where we spent 
 most of a day hiking along the Telegraph Creek spotting golden eagles. 
 Riding the Arizona trail south from Picketpost Mountain was fast and fun, 
 and our final day of riding brought us back to the Usury mountain trails 
 in 
 Mesa where we looped round and round on hardback sand dodging saguaros and 
 chollos until sunset.

 [image: IMG_2

Re: [RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Roberta]

How about an informal meet at the Riv booth right after the show opens?  

I'll be sporting a black Green Guru backpack (made with inner tubes) with a 
Riv triangle.  I have white hair.

I hope to see old friends and meet new ones!

Roberta

On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:11:09 PM UTC-5 brycel...@gmail.com wrote:

> There’s more where that came from, I can send them more easily via text. 
> This is more or less its current configuration[image: IMG_0031]
>
> On Mar 9, 2024, at 10:05 PM, Bryce Lackey  wrote:
>
> 
>
> <00m0m_3DD3lNnQboh_1320MM_600x450.jpg>
> XL Rivendell Sam Hillborne Frameset W Extras - bicycles - by owner - bike 
> sale - craigslist 
> 
> philadelphia.craigslist.org 
> 
>
> 
>
> Here’s the ad. A couple pictures demonstrating the frame condition and one 
> of it all built up. 
>
> On Mar 9, 2024, at 12:18 PM, 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I know a guy who would love that . . . not me.  Do you have pics or a 
> link to the CL ad?
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:30:46 AM UTC-5 brycel...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For anyone extra tall coming in from out of town, I have a 62cm Sam 
>> listed as a frameset w crank and seat post on CL here in Philly. If you 
>> want to make a deal, I am open to offers and have all the fixings for a 
>> complete build. I'll be around doing some of the local rides as well as the 
>> Keystone afterparty. 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:58:21 PM UTC-5 benjamin@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll see you all there! I’ve got to work Saturday but I’ll make it out 
>>> to the Expo on Sunday and Keystone’s partay Saturday night. My 
>>> three-year-old has developed a distinct preference for the Surly Cross 
>>> Check over the Atlantis and Clem but whatever the case we’ll roll up on two 
>>> wheels. 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 5:22 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>>
 https://phillybikeexpo.com/

 Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.

 I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but 
 will be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If 
 anyone needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  

 There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
 donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.

 I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.

 Roberta

 -- 

>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
 Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
 an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.

>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/88ec5374-3b4f-4607-9da2-734d889f5f6cn%40googlegroups.com
  
 
 .

>>> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/wrrd5MQ7rAY/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fa298b3a-a3c5-4e33-91fc-1c2ac4c98c3en%40googlegroups.com
>  
> 
> .
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/255f6871-daf5-41ff-8e3a-ff956896ae28n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Built Atlantis (58cm) Frameset & Various Parts

[Erik from Saint Paul]

The frame and Nitto stem have been sold.

On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 5:36:12 PM UTC-5 Erik from Saint Paul wrote:

> Had this frame listed last summer, buyer backed out due to unforeseen life 
> expenses, so I packed it away. It's now back up for sale just in time for 
> anyone with a tax refund burning a hole in their pocket to build up their 
> dream bike. 
>
> Rivendell Atlantis built by Waterford in 2018.
> Size: 58cm
> Color: British racing green
> Headset: Chris King (included)
> Seatpost: Kalloy Uno - 26.8mm (included)
> Wheel size: 700c - 135mm rear spacing
> Frame is in really good shape overall, but there are a few cosmetic 
> blemishes like minor scratches, some paint peeling around fender and rack 
> bosses, and a slight paint bulge where the front derailleur was mounted. No 
> dents, rust or any structural issues. Brake cable hangers are pictured, but 
> not included.
>
> $1,600 for local sale (Minneapolis/St Paul).
> Willing to ship via Bikeflights for an additional cost to buyer.
>
> I also have a wheelset I can include in the sale for an extra $100. 
> Velocity Dyad rims laced to Shimano LX hubs with Surly Knard tires. (Not 
> looking to sell/ship unless it's with the frame).
>
> Other parts for sale:
> * Nitto Technomic stem (26.0mm clamp, 120mm long): $20
> * Velo Orange 46/30 crankset (170mm): $100
> * Tektro Oryx cantilever brakes: $20
> Shipping costs are additional and determined on your location.
>
> Photos 
> 
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/151b6dd0-2f2f-4a6b-bf91-c4ee627b2c8en%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Queen's Ransom (Sort of)

[Brian Forsee]

Thanks for the photos and report John! I have some friends that moved to 
Tucson in 2020 and have been lucky enough to get down to visit them each 
year since. The riding in the Sonora is wonderful! We sliced off a portion 
of the Gila River Ramble a few years ago but bailed early as we had some 
folks that turned out to be in way over their heads. Can confirm the riding 
is extremely strenuous, but the scenery is worth every hike a bike! I've 
been itching to get back and complete it since.

Brian

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:04:52 AM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> John, excellent!  Nice photos too. Thanks for sharing your experience with 
> us. As a South-easterner (North Carolina) I find the Southwest exotically 
> beautiful - and in particular, the Sonoran desert. 
>
> Steve
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:15:30 AM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great ride report, thanks! 
>> Can you please expound a bit on what  you did for water? 
>> That cannot have been trivial, looking at those pictures.
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 12:26:32 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Yes,  Diana, it's a very special desert indeed! 
>>>
>>> To attach photos I used the 'Insert Photo Attachment' tool at the 
>>> bottom. If your photos are too large of a file size, you will continue to 
>>> get the message you have been getting. Here are the export settings (Apple 
>>> Photos) I use for my photos which come out to about 500-600 KB each. Hope 
>>> this helps.
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-03-14 at 9.21.05 PM.png]
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love the Sonoran desert! Can't wait to move back. Thanks for the 
 great pictures. How did you attach them to your message? When I tried I 
 got 
 nonstop errors saying my message was too large.

 On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 4:43:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> [image: IMG_0444.jpeg]
>
> In mid-February my friend and I put our skis away for a couple of 
> weeks and headed to the Sonoran desert for a roll through that beautiful 
> landscape. Weeks of rain preceding our trip left a carpet of green 
> through 
> which ribbons of desert singletrack twisted, climbed, and dipped beneath 
> red stone mountains and narrow canyons. 
>
> [image: IMG_0427.jpeg]
>
> The cacti were fat and happy while they waited for days long and warm 
> enough to bring on a spectacular bloom this Spring. Cold, starry nights 
> made for perfect camping, and riding beneath a toasty sun thawed the 
> morning chill. 
>
> [image: IMG_2736.jpeg]
>
> We planned to ride a mash-up of The Queen's Ransom 
>  and The Gila River 
> Ramble  
> hoping
>  
> to forgo the trek to Florence and the Southeastern suburbs of the Phoenix 
> metroplex. Instead, we would meander the looping trails and canyons 
> between 
> the Superstition Mountains and the Gila River. 
>
> [image: IMG_2776.jpeg]
>
> TQR Creator John Schilling suggests between four and six days to ride 
> the route, so we figured eight days would give us plenty of time to roll 
> casually through the Sonoran and take in the incredible beauty of this 
> place. What we didn't take into account was that the price of admission 
> to 
> this breathtaking landscape was steep- literally and figuratively. It was 
> only half way through the first day when I began to realize that 
> Schilling's estimate surely applied to riders 20 years younger on bikes 
> 20 
> pounds lighter and, perhaps, a 100% more eager to let ‘er rip.
>
> [image: IMG_0442 (1).jpeg]
>
> Instead, as is always the case when my buddy and I team up, we rode, 
> pushed, suffered, and savored at a ‘my contact lens is around here 
> somewhere’ pace. Though we certainly enjoy speedy descents on single 
> track 
> or fire roads, the Sonoran is a biome bursting with life and invites a 
> more 
> intentional approach. 
>
> [image: IMG_2743.jpeg]
>
> Our eight days cruising on bikes included plenty of time out of the 
> saddle to kick stones and poke around in the plants that were, in fact, 
> so 
> eager to poke us. Our days alternated between riding sweet single track 
> or 
> pleasant gravel roads and pushing bikes up narrow, rocky outcroppings. It 
> was a challenging ride that left us ready to roll out our sleeping bags 
> each evening. 
>
> [image: IMG_0436.jpeg]
>
> About an hour or so before sunset we’d begin to scope out a place to 
> camp- a patch of grass among the saguaros or a grassy slope beneath the 
> soaring walls of a canyon. Each evening we made sure there was

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Bill Lindsay]

It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now avaiable 
for the low low price of $6250.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:

> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but this 
> Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
>> roof.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>
>>> wow
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  

 BL in EC

 On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Heron Touring 
> 55cm
> $7000
> Walled Lake, Michigan
> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, 
> and full Campagnolo...
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H&hash=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr&itmprp=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Roadini
>> 57cm
>> 2000
>> Emeryville, CA
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
>>
> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/74990461-7391-474d-8678-55c5cf2c2ef6n%40googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>> services
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>
>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>
>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1d2b9784-f389-4a9d-bab7-8c7b00fc0b09n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Peter Fray]

I dont see a HZ floor pump on the website though...

On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 11:10 am Adam Moss,  wrote:

> Their floor pump is awesome!
>
> Best,
> Adam
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:12:56 PM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and
>> would recommend...
>>
>> Thank you
>> peter
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Je1Cv3DsmO8/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/718eb673-c00d-47c2-bbfd-bec3b3abd667n%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALzC4ZGB-W68vYWgOg5AQBM5EEpMSeizzThuvj85cAghR%2BAM6w%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Bill Lindsay]

Most people consider the Mike Plumpatire floor pump to be a part of the 
Hobson Zingo program.  If you require explicit HZ branding on each item, 
the MP pump doesn't qualify.

https://www.rivbike.com/products/mike-plumpatire-floor-pump

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:46:17 AM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> I dont see a HZ floor pump on the website though...
>
> On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 11:10 am Adam Moss,  wrote:
>
>> Their floor pump is awesome!
>>
>> Best,
>> Adam 
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:12:56 PM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and 
>>> would recommend...
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> peter
>>>
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Je1Cv3DsmO8/unsubscribe
>> .
>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/718eb673-c00d-47c2-bbfd-bec3b3abd667n%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> .
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f9835e8d-2481-483b-b685-82eb271c3f83n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Joe Bernard]

I love a bargain 👍

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now 
> avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>
>> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but this 
>> Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
>>> roof.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>>
 wow

 On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Heron Touring 
>> 55cm
>> $7000
>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, 
>> and full Campagnolo...
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H&hash=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr&itmprp=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Roadini
>>> 57cm
>>> 2000
>>> Emeryville, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
>>>
>> -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
 Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
 an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
 To view this discussion on the web visit 
 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/74990461-7391-474d-8678-55c5cf2c2ef6n%40googlegroups.com
  
 
 .

>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>>> services
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>>
>>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>>
>>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/764320a7-ac61-4def-b69b-df5127cd994an%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Eric Daume]

I bought the MP pump. I like it, but it’s not a clear winner:

+ great for quickly filling up high volume/ low pressure tires
- difficult to get above 45 psi or so
- the base is too small and makes it feel unstable.

Because of the high pressure limitations, I ended up keeping my old floor
pump around as well.

Eric
Who also has two work stands…

On Friday, March 15, 2024, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Most people consider the Mike Plumpatire floor pump to be a part of the
> Hobson Zingo program.  If you require explicit HZ branding on each item,
> the MP pump doesn't qualify.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/mike-plumpatire-floor-pump
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:46:17 AM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I dont see a HZ floor pump on the website though...
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 11:10 am Adam Moss,  wrote:
>>
>>> Their floor pump is awesome!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:12:56 PM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and
 would recommend...

 Thank you
 peter

>>> --
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/
>>> topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Je1Cv3DsmO8/unsubscribe.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/
>>> msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/718eb673-c00d-47c2-bbfd-
>>> bec3b3abd667n%40googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/
> msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f9835e8d-2481-483b-b685-
> 82eb271c3f83n%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAHFNW5BZr8bqShtaSaapu0bZWahwGQFDTNV5C8NpK76SOuUJ2A%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Peter Fray]

Not at all fixated on the branding, just looking for tools in general. I
like when there is limited choice and the shop sells only what they trust
(analog, riv..) so I wanted to get some feedback on the tools.

On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 8:40 pm Bill Lindsay,  wrote:

> Most people consider the Mike Plumpatire floor pump to be a part of the
> Hobson Zingo program.  If you require explicit HZ branding on each item,
> the MP pump doesn't qualify.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/mike-plumpatire-floor-pump
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:46:17 AM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I dont see a HZ floor pump on the website though...
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 11:10 am Adam Moss,  wrote:
>>
>>> Their floor pump is awesome!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:12:56 PM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and
 would recommend...

 Thank you
 peter

>>> --
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Je1Cv3DsmO8/unsubscribe
>>> .
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/718eb673-c00d-47c2-bbfd-bec3b3abd667n%40googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Je1Cv3DsmO8/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f9835e8d-2481-483b-b685-82eb271c3f83n%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALzC4ZEC2%3DpQKQtSMVSWtjs%3D-jUf%3DqMipj6aDTeKAOQj7%2BLe6Q%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Drew Fitchette]

I've got the chain quicklink pliers and the Cable Cutters and both are 
great. 

Would buy again if I needed to, and will likely replace more stuff with 
their tools as needed.

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not at all fixated on the branding, just looking for tools in general. I 
> like when there is limited choice and the shop sells only what they trust 
> (analog, riv..) so I wanted to get some feedback on the tools. 
>
> On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 8:40 pm Bill Lindsay,  wrote:
>
>> Most people consider the Mike Plumpatire floor pump to be a part of the 
>> Hobson Zingo program.  If you require explicit HZ branding on each item, 
>> the MP pump doesn't qualify.
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/mike-plumpatire-floor-pump
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:46:17 AM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I dont see a HZ floor pump on the website though...
>>>
>>> On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 11:10 am Adam Moss,  wrote:
>>>
 Their floor pump is awesome!

 Best,
 Adam 

 On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:12:56 PM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and 
> would recommend...
>
> Thank you
> peter
>
 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
 Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
 To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
 https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Je1Cv3DsmO8/unsubscribe
 .
 To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
 rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
 To view this discussion on the web visit 
 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/718eb673-c00d-47c2-bbfd-bec3b3abd667n%40googlegroups.com
  
 
 .

>>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Je1Cv3DsmO8/unsubscribe
>> .
>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f9835e8d-2481-483b-b685-82eb271c3f83n%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> .
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/852ed446-506c-47a9-a0ff-d286bfb35800n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: FS 61 cm Roadeo f/f/hs

[Mike Godwin]

Roadeo has a new home.  Thanks for the interest folks.

Mike 
On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 2:42:00 PM UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:

> I'm surprised this hasn't sold, given all the excitement about Bill's 
> Roadeo Rosa. Mike's is half the price of a new one and no 2-year wait. 
>
> jim mather
> walnut creek
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 5:07:27 PM UTC-8 josh.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> All of them if you can. Thanks!
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 5:06 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Josh
>>>
>>> Let me know which photos, or all of them and will happily send them 
>>> along.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4IqY_OdLGqE/unsubscribe
>>> .
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/17573245-efb9-4b89-967d-3987ed66cda3n%40googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e1e2893f-4786-473c-ae79-2f3b07c99a39n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

[Patrick Moore]

Nice Roadini, lovely build, and I'm glad it has turned out so well for you.
The Roadini certainly gets high praise from high-mileage riders.

Roadini:Fargo:Cross Check: interesting observations. One might thing that
with fat, low pressure tires the frame and fork won't materially affect
ride smoothness, but I had a somewhat similar experience when I replaced my
(2010??) steel Fargo with the current 2016 Matthews "road bike for dirt."
Both take 60s with fenders, both had the same ultra-extra-light-and-supple
450-gram 60 mm Big Ones on the same Velocity Blunt SS rims, but I
immediately noticed that with these wheels, the Matthews smoothed out
stutter bumps and felt definitely smoother than the same wheels/tires on
the Fargo. The Fargo is overbuilt of course, and the fork is *hugely*
overbuilt,
while the Matthews is built of OS but thinwall tubing with a fork that has
slender, nicely "French curve" legs (discs; nope, no problems).

Meandering on re: Fargo: I had a second wheelset with ~33 mm Kojaks; the
Fargo handled -- well, not like a Rivendell, but decently; the 1.35 Kojaks
made it quicker in turns but didn't harm stability, at least, I didn't
notice it. But really, the Big Ones rolled much better on pavement than the
Kojaks, decent tho' the Kojaks are.

Back to the Roadini: I've been told by several people, talking about the
Roadeo, when I was thinking of getting one, that it had tubing too stout
and stiff for good road bike feel. And doesn't the Roadini have stouter
tubing yet? So to hear such praise for the Roadini tells me, I think, that
the difference between stout, stiff tubing and thinwall, normal diameter
tubing is by no means the main factor in smoothness and "liveliness." Again
and again, experienced riders praise the low-budget Clem for its liveliness
and smoothness. And yet, that 2003 Rivendell Curt custom Road *was* too
stiff, compared to the thinner wall, normal gauge Matthews clone that
replaced it -- my quads proved it. Upshot: I don't understand all this.



Long ago on the thread, Jay  wrote:
*The Ride: like wow!  So much to say, I'm going to forget a whole bunch of
things I thought of during the 2hr ride.  I'll compare to the Surly Cross
Chek I had over a year ago and my Salsa Fargo (replaced the CC, and I love
it for unpaved).  Carrying the bike upstairs for the first ride, was much
lighter than I thought (I have zero complaints with the weight).  Minor fit
issues aside (soon to be resolved, hopefully), the ride was so smooth,
maybe the smoothest bike I've ever had.   I had these tires on the Fargo up
to now, and over the same surfaces the Roadini really smoothed out the
cracks in the pavement, as well as the trails (I felt like I had a little
suspension).  One of the reasons I initially looked at this bike as an
option for a 3rd bike was that the Fargo with 43mm for winter and anytime
the road bike wouldn't cut it, was not very enjoyable (harsh, squirly
streeing, sluggish).  With 2.2's it is amazing and I love it on the trails
where I live, but as an all-road / distance bike, I didn't enjoy it.  Enter
the Roadini.  When I stood up to sprint or climb up a hill, it accelerated
way better than the Fargo, and a bit better from the CC from what I
recall.  I was, again, pleasantly surprised with how fast I was moving.
Cornering was predictable and neither sluggish or squirly, it just went
where I wanted to go with minimal input...while holding its line
predictably.  The DT shifters were fun.  A couple of times I tried to shift
with the brake lever and remembered that's a different bike!  Shifting was
very light touch and I quickly realized this, as I would easily shift two
gears when not wanting to...by the end of the ride I felt 75% comfortable
using them (and this will only improve).  Brake levers felt very good, and
the braking power was also very good.  I have Ultergra R8000 brakes on my
road bike and they are amazing (power and modulation).  These are a notch
below, but very effective...and they easily clear 43mm tires so who needs
discs?!  I love my discs on the Fargo, in mud/dirt, but the Roadini does
not need discs at all (where I live/ride).  I'm so happy to have a rim
brake bike that fits 43mm tires.  The bars (Whiskey 12F) and 3mm bar tape
with gel pad under was perfect for my hands.  I like cush, and this set up
is really good (for me).  The mechanic dialled in the wrap and gel
placement with these hoods.  The 30F/32R gearing is perfect for the
steepest hills where this bike will be ridden.  I've went on long enough so
I'll stop there.  Word of the day - "smooth" :-)*


Patrick Moore, grimly bottom-trimming in ABQ, NM.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtVUeEQMc_QLEpimrjGVzark_q_rjoV

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Queen's Ransom (Sort of)

[John Rinker]

Matthias, Water is definitely a concern as you move through that wonderful 
landscape. For the first couple of days we were near parks and human 
dwellings so we could fill up pretty regularly. My modus operendi is 
usually to drink a bottle of water whenever I find a place to refill. We 
asked a couple of very kind people as we rode by their yards (Always a 
great excuse for a fun conversation!) Once we left Superior and headed into 
the open desert things got a little more tricky. Luckily, as mentioned, 
there had been rain so Telegraph creek and Arnette creek were flowing. As 
we headed a little further south water became more scarce. Our turn-around 
point was a few miles before the rain catcher on the AZT, but we made it 
back to Picketpost trailhead where we were able to refill due to the 
kindness of strangers. From here back to Mesa you are once again frequently 
near inhabited places where water is plentiful.

Kim, Thanks for your kind words. Hopefully the report inspires similar 
adventures.

Steve, Yes, the Southwest is exotic for sure, but I've been eyeing up a 
ride in your neck of the woods; out in the Ashville area. Looks pretty 
beautiful! 

Brian, I completely agree. Parts of the ride are strenuous, but worth every 
calorie spent push the bike up those remote trails. When you've been to 
Tuscon, have you ridden in the Sky Islands? Super amazing riding!

Cheers, John

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:31:05 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the photos and report John! I have some friends that moved to 
> Tucson in 2020 and have been lucky enough to get down to visit them each 
> year since. The riding in the Sonora is wonderful! We sliced off a portion 
> of the Gila River Ramble a few years ago but bailed early as we had some 
> folks that turned out to be in way over their heads. Can confirm the riding 
> is extremely strenuous, but the scenery is worth every hike a bike! I've 
> been itching to get back and complete it since.
>
> Brian
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:04:52 AM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> John, excellent!  Nice photos too. Thanks for sharing your experience 
>> with us. As a South-easterner (North Carolina) I find the Southwest 
>> exotically beautiful - and in particular, the Sonoran desert. 
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:15:30 AM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great ride report, thanks! 
>>> Can you please expound a bit on what  you did for water? 
>>> That cannot have been trivial, looking at those pictures.
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 12:26:32 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Yes,  Diana, it's a very special desert indeed! 

 To attach photos I used the 'Insert Photo Attachment' tool at the 
 bottom. If your photos are too large of a file size, you will continue to 
 get the message you have been getting. Here are the export settings (Apple 
 Photos) I use for my photos which come out to about 500-600 KB each. Hope 
 this helps.

 [image: Screen Shot 2024-03-14 at 9.21.05 PM.png]

 Cheers, John

 On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I love the Sonoran desert! Can't wait to move back. Thanks for the 
> great pictures. How did you attach them to your message? When I tried I 
> got 
> nonstop errors saying my message was too large.
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 4:43:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0444.jpeg]
>>
>> In mid-February my friend and I put our skis away for a couple of 
>> weeks and headed to the Sonoran desert for a roll through that beautiful 
>> landscape. Weeks of rain preceding our trip left a carpet of green 
>> through 
>> which ribbons of desert singletrack twisted, climbed, and dipped beneath 
>> red stone mountains and narrow canyons. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_0427.jpeg]
>>
>> The cacti were fat and happy while they waited for days long and warm 
>> enough to bring on a spectacular bloom this Spring. Cold, starry nights 
>> made for perfect camping, and riding beneath a toasty sun thawed the 
>> morning chill. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2736.jpeg]
>>
>> We planned to ride a mash-up of The Queen's Ransom 
>>  and The Gila River 
>> Ramble  
>> hoping
>>  
>> to forgo the trek to Florence and the Southeastern suburbs of the 
>> Phoenix 
>> metroplex. Instead, we would meander the looping trails and canyons 
>> between 
>> the Superstition Mountains and the Gila River. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2776.jpeg]
>>
>> TQR Creator John Schilling suggests between four and six days to ride 
>> the route, so we figured eight days would give us plenty of time to roll 
>> casually through the Sonoran an

Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Luke Hendrickson]

The HZ tools are functional and really minimal/austere/basic while being 
well-made and well-priced. I work for the company (Merry Sales) that sells 
whatever RBW doesn’t.

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 9:33:11 AM UTC-7 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got the chain quicklink pliers and the Cable Cutters and both are 
> great. 
>
> Would buy again if I needed to, and will likely replace more stuff with 
> their tools as needed.
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not at all fixated on the branding, just looking for tools in general. I 
>> like when there is limited choice and the shop sells only what they trust 
>> (analog, riv..) so I wanted to get some feedback on the tools. 
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 8:40 pm Bill Lindsay,  wrote:
>>
>>> Most people consider the Mike Plumpatire floor pump to be a part of the 
>>> Hobson Zingo program.  If you require explicit HZ branding on each item, 
>>> the MP pump doesn't qualify.
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/mike-plumpatire-floor-pump
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:46:17 AM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I dont see a HZ floor pump on the website though...

 On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 11:10 am Adam Moss,  wrote:

> Their floor pump is awesome!
>
> Best,
> Adam 
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:12:56 PM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and 
>> would recommend...
>>
>> Thank you
>> peter
>>
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Je1Cv3DsmO8/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/718eb673-c00d-47c2-bbfd-bec3b3abd667n%40googlegroups.com
>  
> 
> .
>
 -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Je1Cv3DsmO8/unsubscribe
>>> .
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>>
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f9835e8d-2481-483b-b685-82eb271c3f83n%40googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a5bd64ef-bdcc-491d-8f32-077517271d36n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] SOLD [Brooks "Brick Lane" panniers, VG, black, $115 + shipping]

[Patrick Moore]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 2:47 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 30 liters capacity, black, heavy, very sturdy cotton canvas, lined, very
> little used, only signs of use some dust and the 1/4-height coroplast
> stiffeners I riveted in. They hold a surprising amount for their nominal
> size.
>
> The panniers are joined and drape over the rack to which they attach via
> leather straps on the underside of the joining fabric. Leather straps close
> the flaps and there are interior compartment straps to help hold loads
> together.
>
> These work better with some racks instead of others. With my somewhat
> minimalist rack, the trailing bottom edges would brush the spokes when the
> bags were heavily loaded so I riveted in 1/4-height coroplast stiffeners. 
> *Note
> that the stiffeners prevent the bags from being rolled up; see photo.* That
> didn't bother me but you should be aware of this.
>
> My loss is your gain. I traded a nice Rivendell Sackville Medium saddlebag
> for these, and they're very nice, but with my rack the heels of my size 10s
> occasionally flick the forward edges as I pedal when the bags are loaded.
>
> $115 plus actual shipping cost, *net to me, please.*
>
> Please reply offlist.
>
> Thanks, Patrick Moore
>
>
>
> --
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
> ---
>
> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
> services
>
>
> ---
>
> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>
> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>
> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>


-- 

Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
---

Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
services

---

*When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*

*But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*

*I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgshnicAZdn1eJ-4a89J2A1SC5uMe9p%2B3oZ1%3Dn-iZMxMZA%40mail.gmail.com.