[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2

[Jay]

I'm sure that is frustrating!  I feel for you.  I don't like when anything 
mechanical is not functioning up to par.

I only have experience with Dia-Compe Ene 11s.  They slipped once on me, 
without realizing what was happening.  I got home, googled it, figured it 
out and only had to tighten the 'd' ring and that has so far solved the 
problem.  I bought loc-tite but haven't used it.

Good luck!

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Ian,
> I had slippage with Silver v2 set up on my Clem. I used Loctite and it 
> solved the issue for awhile then they slipped again. After switching to 
> Microshift I not longer had any slippage. I am not an experienced bike 
> mechanic so my installation may have been off with the Silvers but the 
> Microshift worked for me.
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 9:37:26 AM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>
>> I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, 
>> both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and 
>> bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of 
>> her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them 
>> from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags.
>>
>> On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters 
>> come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available 
>> separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the 
>> older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also.
>>
>> I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to the 
>> Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds my 
>> gears.
>>
>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but 
>>> I've never had slippage.  You do have to line up the square piece when 
>>> installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's 
>>> tight enough to hold.  The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you 
>>> the critical points of contact to line up.  I do know the plastic washers 
>>> break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter 
>>> takes most of the force of the fall.
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>>>
 I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic 
 ideal whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the 
 performance refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't 
 get 
 the shifter to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then 
 over-tightening. There's still no better option than the plastic washer? 
 Hoped the brass bit over the plastic would protect it, no such luck they 
 always crack. I'm tired of trying to make these work. 

 Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... 
 let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the 
 same 
 internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look 
 that 
 maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a 
 noticeable difference.

 I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end 
 price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or 
 advice welcome.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Shimano Bar Ends, XTR Rear Derailleur, 600 tricolor brake levers

[Eliot Balogh]

FD  and shifters are sold. Pedals are pending

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 4:46 PM Stephen Durfee  wrote:

> Hi Eliot - is the IRD front der a clamp on or braze-on? sd
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 1:43:26 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Cleaning out the parts bin. All prices are shipped and include paypal
>> fees.
>>
>> Dura Ace 9 Speed Bar End Shifters (can also substitute 8 speed levers if
>> you prefer) - $60
>> Shimano 600 (ultegra) tri- color brake levers (note the trim part does
>> not match) $20
>> XTR m952 Rear Derailleur - $80
>> FSA SLK silver canti brakeset $80
>> Dura Ace 7700 130 bcd silver crankset $45
>> IRD alpina triple or sub compact front derailleur $50
>> Shimano PD-A600 pedals (logos are worn) $50
>>
>> Might be open to selling a SonDelux/Mavic Open Pro wheel with three
>> lights and tail light.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Shimano Bar Ends, XTR Rear Derailleur, 600 tricolor brake levers

[Stephen Durfee]

Hi Eliot - is the IRD front der a clamp on or braze-on? sd

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 1:43:26 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Cleaning out the parts bin. All prices are shipped and include paypal fees.
>
> Dura Ace 9 Speed Bar End Shifters (can also substitute 8 speed levers if 
> you prefer) - $60
> Shimano 600 (ultegra) tri- color brake levers (note the trim part does not 
> match) $20
> XTR m952 Rear Derailleur - $80
> FSA SLK silver canti brakeset $80
> Dura Ace 7700 130 bcd silver crankset $45
> IRD alpina triple or sub compact front derailleur $50
> Shimano PD-A600 pedals (logos are worn) $50
>
> Might be open to selling a SonDelux/Mavic Open Pro wheel with three lights 
> and tail light.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Kim H.]

@Kai -

Thank you for your compliment about my Honjo fenders.

In regards as to why I am using  a brake noodle for routing my rear brake
cable and housing is because simply I want a smoother feel and better
response in my rear cantilever brakes through my brake lever up front in my
low bar Clem Smith Jr. L bicycle. This my first mixte frame.

The original way the cable and housing was, it felt  like it was binding
and not giving me the correct braking response as I felt that there was
something that could be done in a better way to bring me more braking
efficiency. After seeing Allan's picture of his 135 degree brake noodle on
his Rivendell bicycle,  I believed and remain in believing that it will be
the solution to smoother rear braking in comparison to the original cable
and housing setup.

Outside of all of the above, I honestly am unable to answer your other
questions. I do not know. The answers would have to be offered from the
RBWOB members' perspective and knowledge.

With warm regards,
from a sunny day in the PNW,
Kim Hetzel.





On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 2:57 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> ..and sweet fenders they are, can’t blame you for sticking with what
> works.
> What’s the science behind brake noodles anyways?
> I know I need them to route to my V-brakes, otherwise I’d have a mess of
> housing sticking out the side of my bike, and I’ve used them to route
> friction shifters out of the way of front bags with much success, but I
> always thought there was a price to pay with slightly more friction in the
> system,  not less.
> Obviously if it works, great, but if it works, why are we all not using
> noodles to route cables any old way we’d like?
> Thoughts? Proofs? Anybody using a noodle in an indexed shifting system
> have a story?
> Thanks
> -Kai
>
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:59:40 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Kai -
>>
>> I thank-you for the suggestion of using V-brakes. I am staying with my
>> Dia Compe 980 cantilever brakes that clear without question my Honjo 65
>> Flat fenders. I have no problems with adjusting them.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 7:14 AM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of extraneous gizmos, how about losing the cantilever brakes
>>> and going with a V-brake? Cantilevers are cool, and they clear fenders
>>> better, and they’re fun to problem solve, but linear pull brakes are so
>>> very much great and easy.
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:56:44 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Personally, I’d leave as-is. Aesthetically, I wouldn’t want another
 unsightly, unnecessary piece of hardware detracting from that beautiful
 seat lug and already perfectly functional binder bolt. But then again, some
 people enjoy adding extraneous gizmos to their bikes.

 Brian
 Lexington KY
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Re: [RBW] FS: Shimano Bar Ends, XTR Rear Derailleur, 600 tricolor brake levers

[Eliot Balogh]

Shifters and FD are sold

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 1:43 PM Eliot B  wrote:

> Cleaning out the parts bin. All prices are shipped and include paypal fees.
>
> Dura Ace 9 Speed Bar End Shifters (can also substitute 8 speed levers if
> you prefer) - $60
> Shimano 600 (ultegra) tri- color brake levers (note the trim part does not
> match) $20
> XTR m952 Rear Derailleur - $80
> FSA SLK silver canti brakeset $80
> Dura Ace 7700 130 bcd silver crankset $45
> IRD alpina triple or sub compact front derailleur $50
> Shimano PD-A600 pedals (logos are worn) $50
>
> Might be open to selling a SonDelux/Mavic Open Pro wheel with three lights
> and tail light.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

..and sweet fenders they are, can’t blame you for sticking with what works. 
What’s the science behind brake noodles anyways? 
I know I need them to route to my V-brakes, otherwise I’d have a mess of 
housing sticking out the side of my bike, and I’ve used them to route 
friction shifters out of the way of front bags with much success, but I 
always thought there was a price to pay with slightly more friction in the 
system,  not less. 
Obviously if it works, great, but if it works, why are we all not using 
noodles to route cables any old way we’d like? 
Thoughts? Proofs? Anybody using a noodle in an indexed shifting system have 
a story?
Thanks
-Kai


On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:59:40 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Kai -
>
> I thank-you for the suggestion of using V-brakes. I am staying with my Dia 
> Compe 980 cantilever brakes that clear without question my Honjo 65 Flat 
> fenders. I have no problems with adjusting them.
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 7:14 AM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of extraneous gizmos, how about losing the cantilever brakes and 
>> going with a V-brake? Cantilevers are cool, and they clear fenders better, 
>> and they’re fun to problem solve, but linear pull brakes are so very much 
>> great and easy.
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:56:44 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I’d leave as-is. Aesthetically, I wouldn’t want another 
>>> unsightly, unnecessary piece of hardware detracting from that beautiful 
>>> seat lug and already perfectly functional binder bolt. But then again, some 
>>> people enjoy adding extraneous gizmos to their bikes. 
>>>
>>> Brian 
>>> Lexington KY
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[RBW] Re: NBD - Purple Appaloosa

[Jay]

I also love this post!

I was in C Cycle, home of the Bassi and noticed the Bloomfield.  That 
caught me eye in your write up so I thought I would mention.

That purple is amazing.  Enjoy!

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great story and pics, thanks for sharing Dan. Congrats on the new bike. 
> It's making me want to put rons bars back on the atlantis. 
>
> mike in austin tx
>
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 2:44:46 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, I’d like to share the story of my new purple Appaloosa. I’ve 
>> gained a great deal of insight and enjoyment from reading this forum, so 
>> it’s only right that I return the favour with a story of my own.
>>
>>
>> From the first time I had heard that there was a company called 
>> Rivendell, I knew that someday I’d be riding one. I’d avidly read Tolkein 
>> in my childhood, so to hear that there were LotR themed bicycles - and that 
>> they were so beautiful! - was just fascinating to me. The more I read about 
>> the bikes and the philosophy, the more I was convinced. The final straw was 
>> coming across ‘Calling In Sick Magazine’, aka the unofficial Rivendell fan 
>> magazine. Reading the stories and looking at the photos of those people 
>> riding on dry hills near the ocean, in terrain not to dissimilar to what I 
>> ride here in Adelaide, Australia, gave me the impetus to make my dream a 
>> reality.
>>
>>
>> So, why did I choose an Appaloosa? To answer that, here is a little bit 
>> about the other bikes in my stable…
>>
>>
>> *Surly Straggler*
>>
>> This was my first ‘nice’ bike, the first bike I actually did any research 
>> on before buying. I bought it to be my only bike and a do-it-all bike, one 
>> that would be reliable and fun both day-to-day and on riding anywhere and 
>> everywhere when I felt like adventure. In that, it’s met all my 
>> expectations and then some. It’s set up with a rack and fenders as a 
>> commuter, but over time I’ve tweaked it with wider, flared drops, fatter, 
>> more supple rubber and lower gearing to suit my increasing desire to 
>> explore. I’ve ridden this bike on two (metric) centuries, countless 
>> suburban explorations, in the rain, on gravel, and on single track. It does 
>> it all, more or less. I’ve never liked the looks of the stack of spacers I 
>> needed to get the bars high, and the gearing is probably a bit high, though 
>> that has made me stronger. Descending on the dirt, even with the flared 
>> drops, is a whole-body workout. Side note - I actually wanted a Cross 
>> Check, but they weren’t available to order in Australia when I bought this 
>> bike.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_0580.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> *Bassi Bloomfield*
>>
>> It took a while to allow myself the thought that it was ok to have more 
>> than one bike. I’d been browsing Blue Lug and watching Terry Barentsen 
>> during the pandemic and fell in love with the idea of 650b, fat tyres, 
>> upright bars and front baskets. The day after I’d decided that I could get 
>> myself another bike, my local bike shop listed a whole bunch of Bassi 
>> frames for sale. The clearance for wide 650b tyres and the flower head tube 
>> graphic sold me instantly!
>>
>> This bike has been a revelation for me. There’s something about it - the 
>> wide bars, the light frame, having no gears - that just clicks with me. 
>> It’s like the bike is hard-wired into my brain. And the basket! It’s so 
>> practical. More than that, though, this bike looks great. It’s a bike that 
>> non-bike people complement me on. And it sold me on how good it feels to 
>> ride upright.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_8340.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> *Why Appaloosa?*
>>
>> Which brings me to the Appaloosa. In the last two years I’d begun to the 
>> explore the range of hills that flank Kaurna country / the Adelaide plains. 
>> I like riding from my door, winding through the suburbs to a trail head, 
>> then climbing and exploring the trails, going a little further each time. I 
>> wanted a bike that would be fun to ride on the road but more comfortable 
>> and capable off it than my other bikes. In short, I wanted a touring bike, 
>> and the Appaloosa seemed like it. I liked that the 2.2” tyres looked like a 
>> balance of speed and comfort, and the long chainstays promised to smooth 
>> out bumps and make hair-raising off-road descents more palatable. Spoiler 
>> alert: both of these things were true!
>>
>>
>> I’ll spare you the story of sourcing the frame. I’ll only say that I 
>> initially hesitated on the purple colour, which in hindsight was absolutely 
>> ridiculous. Purple is my favourite colour and THIS purple is amazing. It’s 
>> perfect.
>>
>>
>> *First Impressions*
>>
>> I picked up the Appaloosa on Thursday after my bike shop kindly managed 
>> to get it ready before the Easter long weekend. Since then, I’ve taken the 
>> bike on a couple of long rides and a handful of short ones. The long rides 
>> include a 50km-or-so out and back along the linear trail of 

[RBW] FS: Shimano Bar Ends, XTR Rear Derailleur, 600 tricolor brake levers

[Eliot B]

Cleaning out the parts bin. All prices are shipped and include paypal fees.

Dura Ace 9 Speed Bar End Shifters (can also substitute 8 speed levers if 
you prefer) - $60
Shimano 600 (ultegra) tri- color brake levers (note the trim part does not 
match) $20
XTR m952 Rear Derailleur - $80
FSA SLK silver canti brakeset $80
Dura Ace 7700 130 bcd silver crankset $45
IRD alpina triple or sub compact front derailleur $50
Shimano PD-A600 pedals (logos are worn) $50

Might be open to selling a SonDelux/Mavic Open Pro wheel with three lights 
and tail light.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Kim H.]

@Kai -

I thank-you for the suggestion of using V-brakes. I am staying with my Dia
Compe 980 cantilever brakes that clear without question my Honjo 65 Flat
fenders. I have no problems with adjusting them.

Kim Hetzel.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 7:14 AM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Speaking of extraneous gizmos, how about losing the cantilever brakes and
> going with a V-brake? Cantilevers are cool, and they clear fenders better,
> and they’re fun to problem solve, but linear pull brakes are so very much
> great and easy.
> -Kai
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:56:44 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Personally, I’d leave as-is. Aesthetically, I wouldn’t want another
>> unsightly, unnecessary piece of hardware detracting from that beautiful
>> seat lug and already perfectly functional binder bolt. But then again, some
>> people enjoy adding extraneous gizmos to their bikes.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lexington KY
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[RBW] Re: NBD - Purple Appaloosa

[Mike Packard]

Great story and pics, thanks for sharing Dan. Congrats on the new bike. 
It's making me want to put rons bars back on the atlantis. 

mike in austin tx


On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 2:44:46 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:

> Hi everyone, I’d like to share the story of my new purple Appaloosa. I’ve 
> gained a great deal of insight and enjoyment from reading this forum, so 
> it’s only right that I return the favour with a story of my own.
>
>
> From the first time I had heard that there was a company called Rivendell, 
> I knew that someday I’d be riding one. I’d avidly read Tolkein in my 
> childhood, so to hear that there were LotR themed bicycles - and that they 
> were so beautiful! - was just fascinating to me. The more I read about the 
> bikes and the philosophy, the more I was convinced. The final straw was 
> coming across ‘Calling In Sick Magazine’, aka the unofficial Rivendell fan 
> magazine. Reading the stories and looking at the photos of those people 
> riding on dry hills near the ocean, in terrain not to dissimilar to what I 
> ride here in Adelaide, Australia, gave me the impetus to make my dream a 
> reality.
>
>
> So, why did I choose an Appaloosa? To answer that, here is a little bit 
> about the other bikes in my stable…
>
>
> *Surly Straggler*
>
> This was my first ‘nice’ bike, the first bike I actually did any research 
> on before buying. I bought it to be my only bike and a do-it-all bike, one 
> that would be reliable and fun both day-to-day and on riding anywhere and 
> everywhere when I felt like adventure. In that, it’s met all my 
> expectations and then some. It’s set up with a rack and fenders as a 
> commuter, but over time I’ve tweaked it with wider, flared drops, fatter, 
> more supple rubber and lower gearing to suit my increasing desire to 
> explore. I’ve ridden this bike on two (metric) centuries, countless 
> suburban explorations, in the rain, on gravel, and on single track. It does 
> it all, more or less. I’ve never liked the looks of the stack of spacers I 
> needed to get the bars high, and the gearing is probably a bit high, though 
> that has made me stronger. Descending on the dirt, even with the flared 
> drops, is a whole-body workout. Side note - I actually wanted a Cross 
> Check, but they weren’t available to order in Australia when I bought this 
> bike.
>
>
> [image: IMG_0580.jpeg]
>
>
> *Bassi Bloomfield*
>
> It took a while to allow myself the thought that it was ok to have more 
> than one bike. I’d been browsing Blue Lug and watching Terry Barentsen 
> during the pandemic and fell in love with the idea of 650b, fat tyres, 
> upright bars and front baskets. The day after I’d decided that I could get 
> myself another bike, my local bike shop listed a whole bunch of Bassi 
> frames for sale. The clearance for wide 650b tyres and the flower head tube 
> graphic sold me instantly!
>
> This bike has been a revelation for me. There’s something about it - the 
> wide bars, the light frame, having no gears - that just clicks with me. 
> It’s like the bike is hard-wired into my brain. And the basket! It’s so 
> practical. More than that, though, this bike looks great. It’s a bike that 
> non-bike people complement me on. And it sold me on how good it feels to 
> ride upright.
>
>
> [image: IMG_8340.jpeg]
>
>
> *Why Appaloosa?*
>
> Which brings me to the Appaloosa. In the last two years I’d begun to the 
> explore the range of hills that flank Kaurna country / the Adelaide plains. 
> I like riding from my door, winding through the suburbs to a trail head, 
> then climbing and exploring the trails, going a little further each time. I 
> wanted a bike that would be fun to ride on the road but more comfortable 
> and capable off it than my other bikes. In short, I wanted a touring bike, 
> and the Appaloosa seemed like it. I liked that the 2.2” tyres looked like a 
> balance of speed and comfort, and the long chainstays promised to smooth 
> out bumps and make hair-raising off-road descents more palatable. Spoiler 
> alert: both of these things were true!
>
>
> I’ll spare you the story of sourcing the frame. I’ll only say that I 
> initially hesitated on the purple colour, which in hindsight was absolutely 
> ridiculous. Purple is my favourite colour and THIS purple is amazing. It’s 
> perfect.
>
>
> *First Impressions*
>
> I picked up the Appaloosa on Thursday after my bike shop kindly managed to 
> get it ready before the Easter long weekend. Since then, I’ve taken the 
> bike on a couple of long rides and a handful of short ones. The long rides 
> include a 50km-or-so out and back along the linear trail of Adelaide’s main 
> river, and one of my regular, rocky, single-track heavy foothills climbing 
> loops.
>
>
> The comfort of the riding position on this bike is incredible. My chest 
> feels so open, and I can look around freely. I’m almost too carefree and 
> sometimes need to remind myself to look at where I’m going! Despite this, 
> pedalling isn’t a chore 

Re: [RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Kim H.]

@Brian-

I have decided to move away from the idea of placing a rear brake cable
roller guide gizmo on my Clem. Allan's idea of using a 135 degree noodle is
most appealing and aesthetically very pleasing to me.

Kim Hetzel.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 4:56 AM Brian Turner  wrote:

> Personally, I’d leave as-is. Aesthetically, I wouldn’t want another
> unsightly, unnecessary piece of hardware detracting from that beautiful
> seat lug and already perfectly functional binder bolt. But then again, some
> people enjoy adding extraneous gizmos to their bikes.
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY
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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Kim H.]

Hi Allen,

I thank you for letting me know specifically the degree angle of your cable
noodle. I can clearly understand that it would make a big difference over
the 90 degree noodle for my needs.

Where did you buy your 135 degree noodle from ?

On the low bar of my Clem,  there is a rear brake cable guide.
How does your noodle attaches to the cable?

Did you place a cable ferrel stop inside the cable stop and place a
separate piece of cable housing to connect the noodle ?

BTW, What model of Rivendell bike do you have?

Thank you,
Kim Hetzel


On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 4:14 AM Allan McLane  wrote:

> Note, that’s a 135 degree noodle in the picture. I had first used a 90
> degree noodle but felt that the radius was too short and tight.
>
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:24:09 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>
> @Alan - I do remember from last year ? seeing a green bike with a noodle
> for routing the rear brake cable. I thank-you for posting your picture of
> it again here. Your solution has come great possibilities with simplicity.
> I do have a noodle out in my bike tool box.
>
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[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2

[Doug H.]

Ian,
I had slippage with Silver v2 set up on my Clem. I used Loctite and it 
solved the issue for awhile then they slipped again. After switching to 
Microshift I not longer had any slippage. I am not an experienced bike 
mechanic so my installation may have been off with the Silvers but the 
Microshift worked for me.
Doug

On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 9:37:26 AM UTC-4 ian m wrote:

> I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, 
> both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and 
> bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of 
> her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them 
> from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags.
>
> On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters 
> come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available 
> separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the 
> older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also.
>
> I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to the 
> Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds my 
> gears.
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but 
>> I've never had slippage.  You do have to line up the square piece when 
>> installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's 
>> tight enough to hold.  The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you 
>> the critical points of contact to line up.  I do know the plastic washers 
>> break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter 
>> takes most of the force of the fall.
>>
>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>>
>>> I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic ideal 
>>> whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the performance 
>>> refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't get the shifter 
>>> to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then over-tightening. There's 
>>> still no better option than the plastic washer? Hoped the brass bit over 
>>> the plastic would protect it, no such luck they always crack. I'm tired of 
>>> trying to make these work. 
>>>
>>> Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... 
>>> let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the same 
>>> internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look that 
>>> maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a 
>>> noticeable difference.
>>>
>>> I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end 
>>> price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or 
>>> advice welcome.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[Kevin “Masmojo” Reinking]

Just my take after owning an XO-1 for 20+ years, a Toyo Atlantis, Rosco 
Bubbe, and a Clementine

The main benefit is a comfortable smooth ride. Climbing? It doesn't hurt 
any (especially offroad) and for inexperienced riders or people with poor 
climbing technique'

Speaking for myself, I am totally fine with longer chainstays or top tube 
(a centimeter or two), but much beyond that and the downsides outweigh the 
upsides for me. 
The extra weight, frame flex, slower handling of my Clementine didn't 
thrill me and ultimately were factors in why I sold it.
My Rivs have all been swapped out for Crusts and one SOMA.

It's OK though Rivendell has evolved and they serve a segment of the market 
that nobody else really caters to.

Cheers

On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 9:17:58 PM UTC-5 Jim M. wrote:

> Jones and Esker are 2 makers who are bringing long wb to market. I'm sure 
> there are others. 
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 5:32:54 PM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks for the RBW explanation.  I vaguely remember it, but didn’t think 
>> he would increase then C/S so much
>>
>>  
>>
>> I see Grant’s point:  it’s more an improvement vs a problem solver.  
>>
>> I see the ‘tall rider’ issue, longer seat tubes increase the saddle 
>> setback.  However, I’m 5’6” and my frames are all 21”, so I couldn’t even 
>> ride a 25”, let along know how the increased 3cm setback effects the rider
>>
>>  
>>
>> I see the weight distribution/stability effects.   
>>
>>  
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>>
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
>> Behalf Of *Eric Daume
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 8:15 PM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do 
>> They Solve?
>>
>>  
>>
>> If you want Riv's explanation, it's here:
>>
>>  
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/why-the-long-stays-chainstay-length
>>
>>  
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 8:02 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> I would say “solve some objective problem not addressed by all other 
>> bikes *or be an improvement* by all other bikes”  regardless of the 
>> logical/philosophical issue of Rivendells existing or nor.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Also, I think most of us would agree “all other bikes” would the bikes 
>> you see in Trek store, a Fuji store, a Specialized store, a Crust website, 
>> a Walmart sporting goods section, etc.  I am not thinking about designs 
>> which may exist in the world where bikes are used in lieu of motorized 
>> vehicles and not just as a recreational diversion.
>>
>>  
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>>
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
>> Behalf Of *William Lindsay
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 6:57 PM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do 
>> They Solve?
>>
>>  
>>
>> John
>>
>>  
>>
>> OK so you are saying that every bike on earth that is currently available 
>> are all in one group and Rivendells are not in that group.  In order  to be 
>> allowed to exist a Rivendell must either conform with the first group’s 
>> designs or solve some objective problem not addressed by all other bikes.  
>> Is that it?  
>>
>>  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 3:43 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> Good challenge, what I was thinking is what problem with bikes is the 
>> long C/S solving?  I thought it was a straight forward question.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I suggest *eliminate* “in bike design” and problems or current 
>> deficiencies refer to the current bikes available.Another way of saying 
>> it is what “improvements” in bicycles result from the Long C/S.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> So far the responses indicate Long C/S improve
>>
>> Overall handling, seems to apply to all surfaces.
>>
>> Comfort, especially from bumps in the surface.
>>
>> Climbing and Descending single track type trails (like the ones in the 
>> RBW pictures on Mt Diablo).  The climbing improvement appears to due to 
>> improved weight distribution vs improved bio-mechanical items.
>>
>>  
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>>
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
>> Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 5:19 PM
>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They 
>> Solve?
>>
>>  
>>
>> The OP asked: "*What problem or current deficiency in bike design is 
>> Grant solving by using long chain stays"*
>>
>>  
>>
>> What exactly is this entity you call "bike design"?  If you can define 
>> that, perhaps I can respond to your question (emphatically stated with FOUR 
>> question marks)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>>
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On 

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Stephen Durfee]

check out this Riv adjacent Ebisu in Davis, CA 
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1045901090509133/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post=browse_serp%3Ad855af6f-dc71-4c85-b170-807584484136
On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 3:16:26 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> 60cm Homer
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-homer-hilson/7732342937.html
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 7:35:42 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>
>> That Heron was just posted to the Riv buy/sell/trade Facebook group. 
>> $4000 shipped or less for local pick-up in Ann Arbor.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 8:43:22 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Your patience continues to earn you money.  Now the price is down to 
>>> $6000.  Wait until September and you'll get paid to take it.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>> I love a bargain 

 On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

>>> It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now 
> avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>
 Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
>> this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
>>> roof.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>>
 wow

 On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
> wrote:
>
>> Heron Touring 
>> 55cm
>> $7000
>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto 
>> racks, and full Campagnolo...
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Roadini
>>> 57cm
>>> 2000
>>> Emeryville, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Speaking of extraneous gizmos, how about losing the cantilever brakes and 
going with a V-brake? Cantilevers are cool, and they clear fenders better, 
and they’re fun to problem solve, but linear pull brakes are so very much 
great and easy.
-Kai

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:56:44 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Personally, I’d leave as-is. Aesthetically, I wouldn’t want another 
> unsightly, unnecessary piece of hardware detracting from that beautiful 
> seat lug and already perfectly functional binder bolt. But then again, some 
> people enjoy adding extraneous gizmos to their bikes.
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY

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Re: [RBW] NBD - Purple Appaloosa

[Richard Rose]

Love everything about this post!Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 1, 2024, at 3:45 AM, Dan  wrote:Hi everyone, I’d like to share the story of my new purple Appaloosa. I’ve gained a great deal of insight and enjoyment from reading this forum, so it’s only right that I return the favour with a story of my own.From the first time I had heard that there was a company called Rivendell, I knew that someday I’d be riding one. I’d avidly read Tolkein in my childhood, so to hear that there were LotR themed bicycles - and that they were so beautiful! - was just fascinating to me. The more I read about the bikes and the philosophy, the more I was convinced. The final straw was coming across ‘Calling In Sick Magazine’, aka the unofficial Rivendell fan magazine. Reading the stories and looking at the photos of those people riding on dry hills near the ocean, in terrain not to dissimilar to what I ride here in Adelaide, Australia, gave me the impetus to make my dream a reality.So, why did I choose an Appaloosa? To answer that, here is a little bit about the other bikes in my stable…Surly StragglerThis was my first ‘nice’ bike, the first bike I actually did any research on before buying. I bought it to be my only bike and a do-it-all bike, one that would be reliable and fun both day-to-day and on riding anywhere and everywhere when I felt like adventure. In that, it’s met all my expectations and then some. It’s set up with a rack and fenders as a commuter, but over time I’ve tweaked it with wider, flared drops, fatter, more supple rubber and lower gearing to suit my increasing desire to explore. I’ve ridden this bike on two (metric) centuries, countless suburban explorations, in the rain, on gravel, and on single track. It does it all, more or less. I’ve never liked the looks of the stack of spacers I needed to get the bars high, and the gearing is probably a bit high, though that has made me stronger. Descending on the dirt, even with the flared drops, is a whole-body workout. Side note - I actually wanted a Cross Check, but they weren’t available to order in Australia when I bought this bike.Bassi BloomfieldIt took a while to allow myself the thought that it was ok to have more than one bike. I’d been browsing Blue Lug and watching Terry Barentsen during the pandemic and fell in love with the idea of 650b, fat tyres, upright bars and front baskets. The day after I’d decided that I could get myself another bike, my local bike shop listed a whole bunch of Bassi frames for sale. The clearance for wide 650b tyres and the flower head tube graphic sold me instantly!This bike has been a revelation for me. There’s something about it - the wide bars, the light frame, having no gears - that just clicks with me. It’s like the bike is hard-wired into my brain. And the basket! It’s so practical. More than that, though, this bike looks great. It’s a bike that non-bike people complement me on. And it sold me on how good it feels to ride upright.Why Appaloosa?Which brings me to the Appaloosa. In the last two years I’d begun to the explore the range of hills that flank Kaurna country / the Adelaide plains. I like riding from my door, winding through the suburbs to a trail head, then climbing and exploring the trails, going a little further each time. I wanted a bike that would be fun to ride on the road but more comfortable and capable off it than my other bikes. In short, I wanted a touring bike, and the Appaloosa seemed like it. I liked that the 2.2” tyres looked like a balance of speed and comfort, and the long chainstays promised to smooth out bumps and make hair-raising off-road descents more palatable. Spoiler alert: both of these things were true!I’ll spare you the story of sourcing the frame. I’ll only say that I initially hesitated on the purple colour, which in hindsight was absolutely ridiculous. Purple is my favourite colour and THIS purple is amazing. It’s perfect.First ImpressionsI picked up the Appaloosa on Thursday after my bike shop kindly managed to get it ready before the Easter long weekend. Since then, I’ve taken the bike on a couple of long rides and a handful of short ones. The long rides include a 50km-or-so out and back along the linear trail of Adelaide’s main river, and one of my regular, rocky, single-track heavy foothills climbing loops.The comfort of the riding position on this bike is incredible. My chest feels so open, and I can look around freely. I’m almost too carefree and sometimes need to remind myself to look at where I’m going! Despite this, pedalling isn’t a chore either. When climbing, the combination of long wheelbase and low gearing (24 x 36 low gear) makes it feel like there’s a motor behind me, pushing my up climbs without losing traction. Descending is impressively stable, both on road and off. It’s almost a joke how much more calm and in control I was riding down a steep, dirt hill face this morning. On my Straggler I was physically exhausted from the short descent from the effort it took to 

Re: [RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Brian Turner]

Personally, I’d leave as-is. Aesthetically, I wouldn’t want another unsightly, 
unnecessary piece of hardware detracting from that beautiful seat lug and 
already perfectly functional binder bolt. But then again, some people enjoy 
adding extraneous gizmos to their bikes.

Brian
Lexington KY

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[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Allan McLane]

Note, that’s a 135 degree noodle in the picture. I had first used a 90 
degree noodle but felt that the radius was too short and tight.


On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:24:09 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:

@Alan - I do remember from last year ? seeing a green bike with a noodle 
for routing the rear brake cable. I thank-you for posting your picture of 
it again here. Your solution has come great possibilities with simplicity. 
I do have a noodle out in my bike tool box.
 

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