Re: [RBW] Snapped Clem seat binder bolt

['Michael Kashuba' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Very interesting indeed. About a year after Rivendell built up my orange 60cm Appaloosa, I was on a “Bike Around the Buttes” ride in Northern California and my seat post began gradually slipping down. I tightened it a bit more at a mid-ride rest stop, and it broke in two…. without much torque at all. I was amazed…..Luckily, I was able to “borrow” a less essential but same size bolt from my pannier rack, and everything has been fine the last few years. Is it possible that Rivendell received a bad batch of bolts? Odd….Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 16, 2024, at 9:10 PM, Diana H  wrote:I also snapped the seat binder bolt on my new Platypus. No amount of tightening would keep my post from sliding. I posted about this on Reddit and somebody told me that I needed to grease the threads. When I tried to remove the bolt it snapped. I replaced with a random bolt from a hardware store and used grease. Hasn't slipped again.On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:50:54 AM UTC-7 Greg Kagay wrote:My greased Roadini binder failed almost immediately with very little torque applied. Seems it was slightly too short for the job. Replaced with this bolt and this nut. The new bolt is ever so slightly long for the application but it works great. The blackish nut is not my preference but I live in the country and was eager to source a robust solution. (And not much of it shows as most of it is hidden inside the seat lug.) Delivered, this was a $30 resolution (which makes me feel foolish); Rivendell could do so much better here.On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:20:01 AM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:I have never snapped a binder bolt but FWIW when I had some slipping on my Atlantis post, my LBS spun the inside of the seat tube with a flex hone attachment on their drill and that helped a lot. mike in atx On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:08:28 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:I have a bad habit of snapping the original binder bolt when making adjustments for fit. I just keep a bunch spares around and stash one with the tools/spare tube for when I ride.--Ed C.Redondo Beach, CAOn Monday, April 15, 2024 at 6:53:22 AM UTC-7 Justin Kennedy wrote:Same thing happened on my brand new Platypus last year. Seatpost was slipping and twisting and I overtightened it and snapped the bolt. Replaced it with a spare from my bolts tray and it hasn't slipped in almost a year. On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 3:37:36 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:@Joseph -Thank-you. On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:The binder bolt snapped because the seatpost was too small. The bolt and post need to be replaced so this doesn't happen again. On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 12:02:33 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:@Joseph -I am referring to a Nitto seat post binder bolt that you suggested to replace the stock one on my Clem. I am seeing from your web link for a Nitto S65 Crystal Fellow Seat Post. ...or am I missing something ?Kim Hetzel.On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:54:29 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-s65-crystal-fellow-seat-post-27-2-x-250-11031On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:26:28 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:@Joseph -Do you have a specific web link for purchase ?  Silver preferably.Kim Hetzel.On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:11:18 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:I've come across several 26.8-post Rivs where the stock post actually seemed to be 26.7. If you're using the stocker I'd ditch it for a Nitto. Joe Bernard On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 8:25:39 AM UTC-7 Igor wrote:Agreed, thanks for sharing the information Danny. Per suggestion by Alex W, I also will swap the bolt for a black socket cap instead of stainless. Stronger but no galling..On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 10:39:25 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:@Danny -Very good to know. I thank-you for the information. I think I will grease mine as a precaution. I'm sure that Igor appreciates it, as well. Kim HetzelOn Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 7:22:14 PM UTC-7 Danny wrote:I’ve had that happen on a new Riv before.This is from a Riv newsletter last year:Also, make sure to grease the binder bolts before you tighten them down. They ship to us dry and they have a tendency to gall and not tighten down enough unless they're greased up.-DannyOn Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 9:07 PM i  wrote:I was installing the seatpost on my wife’s new Clem, and could not get the seatpost to stop turning. Eventually I broke the bolt.I remember I had this occur on an old Clem I had as well. 



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Re: [RBW] Snapped Clem seat binder bolt

[Diana H]

I also snapped the seat binder bolt on my new Platypus. No amount of 
tightening would keep my post from sliding. I posted about this on Reddit 
and somebody told me that I needed to grease the threads. When I tried to 
remove the bolt it snapped. I replaced with a random bolt from a hardware 
store and used grease. Hasn't slipped again.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:50:54 AM UTC-7 Greg Kagay wrote:

> My greased Roadini binder failed almost immediately with very little 
> torque applied. Seems it was slightly too short for the job. Replaced with 
> this 
> bolt  and this nut 
> . The new bolt is ever so slightly 
> long for the application but it works great. The blackish nut is not my 
> preference but I live in the country and was eager to source a robust 
> solution. (And not much of it shows as most of it is hidden inside the seat 
> lug.) Delivered, this was a $30 resolution (which makes me feel foolish); 
> Rivendell could do so much better here.
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:20:01 AM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have never snapped a binder bolt but FWIW when I had some slipping on 
>> my Atlantis post, my LBS spun the inside of the seat tube with a flex hone 
>> attachment on their drill and that helped a lot. 
>>
>> mike in atx 
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:08:28 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>>> I have a bad habit of snapping the original binder bolt when making 
>>> adjustments for fit. I just keep a bunch spares around and stash one with 
>>> the tools/spare tube for when I ride.
>>>
>>> --Ed C.
>>> Redondo Beach, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 6:53:22 AM UTC-7 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>
 Same thing happened on my brand new Platypus last year. Seatpost was 
 slipping and twisting and I overtightened it and snapped the bolt. 
 Replaced 
 it with a spare from my bolts tray and it hasn't slipped in almost a year. 

 On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 3:37:36 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Joseph -
> Thank-you. 
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The binder bolt snapped because the seatpost was too small. The bolt 
>> and post need to be replaced so this doesn't happen again. 
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 12:02:33 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> @Joseph -
>>>
>>> I am referring to a Nitto seat post binder bolt that you suggested 
>>> to replace the stock one on my Clem. I am seeing from your web link for 
>>> a 
>>> Nitto S65 Crystal Fellow Seat Post. ...or am I missing something ?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:54:29 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>

 https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-s65-crystal-fellow-seat-post-27-2-x-250-11031

 On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:26:28 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> @Joseph -
> Do you have a specific web link for purchase ?  Silver preferably.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:11:18 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I've come across several 26.8-post Rivs where the stock post 
>> actually seemed to be 26.7. If you're using the stocker I'd ditch it 
>> for a 
>> Nitto. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 8:25:39 AM UTC-7 Igor wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed, thanks for sharing the information Danny. Per suggestion 
>>> by Alex W, I also will swap the bolt for a black socket cap instead 
>>> of 
>>> stainless. Stronger but no galling..
>>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 10:39:25 PM UTC-4 
>>> krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @Danny -
 Very good to know. I thank-you for the information. I think I 
 will grease mine as a precaution. I'm sure that Igor appreciates 
 it, as 
 well. 

 Kim Hetzel

 On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 7:22:14 PM UTC-7 Danny wrote:

> I’ve had that happen on a new Riv before.
>
> This is from a Riv newsletter last year:
>
> *Also, make sure to grease the binder bolts before you tighten 
> them down. They ship to us dry and they have a tendency to gall 
> and not 
> tighten down enough unless they're greased up.*
>
> -Danny
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 9:07 PM i  
> wrote:
>
>> I was installing the seatpost on my wife’s new Clem, and 
>> could not get the seatpost to stop turning. Eventually I broke 
>> the bolt.
>>
>> I remember I had this occur on an old Clem I had as 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Stephen]

Nice to meet you too Roberta!

Eric, the WI/Sugino cranks have definitely become a favorite, especially 
with extra fat tires. Its nice to have the smaller bcd for that super 
granny ring. I think I read somewhere that these frames were built around 
some leftover/never made 64 hunqapillar forks, not sure of the truth of 
that, got to ask will for the details sometime. Yeah, i'm gonna throw the 
mark's rack back on and put the dyno on it. Planning on this being my daily 
driver when in SF this summer.

Nolan, yes I agree! A big part of the appeal of this bike for me was that 
it was sort of like a susie with the dropped tube and big tire clearance 
(though not quite as big I think) but while being a bit shorter in the rear 
end. Its still got long chainstays, just not super duper long.

And thanks Armand! I do have a fondness for the riv tigged frames, and they 
still look so good in my opinion. Happy to have both lugged and tigged rivs.



On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 3:03:48 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very nice! That main triangle is begging for a frame bag. It is massive! 
> Enjoy your wonderfully functional bicycle. 
>
> I was so close to getting a Rosco in my size last summer. Gave up waiting 
> for one and got a Platypus. I really think most of Riv's bikes should just 
> be tig'd like this. I never thought it made sense to have such a beautiful 
> and ornate frame with (typically) very cheap components. The Rosco's simply 
> feel more in line with the Riv philosophy (why do they value 
> labor-intensive pretty lugs but basically not be concerned with aesthetics 
> elsewhere?). Would be nice to have the more discreet Rosco to attract less 
> attention and be less concerned with beating the frame up. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:45:36 AM UTC-7 EGNolan wrote:
>
>> Always loved this run, I selfishly hope they use it as a way to bring the 
>> Susie/Mtn bike back in the future. You can tig 'em, but please, make 'em.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:36:44 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> This is a sweet build! I'd like to get one of those White Industries / 
>>> Sugino cranks some day. 
>>>
>>> Is there any write-up or an ancient email about the idea behind the 
>>> frame design? Will's Massive Mountain Mixte. Do we have an oral history at 
>>> least? 
>>>
>>> Are you gonna wire up a dynamo back up in the future? 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 7:14:17 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nope! Mmmassive it is!! Glad it’s tasting proper trail dirt with those 
 knobbies. And so beautifully blue? I thought it was brown!
 -Kai

 On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember 
> what the third m stood for... loving the bike!
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Massive mountain mixte!
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Love it!!!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>> NY wrote:
>>>
 Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
 WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 🙂
 Happy shredding!
 -Kai
 On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Couple more:
>
> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco 
>> as I settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>>
>> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. 
>> I really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the 
>> riv 
>> mixte propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was 
>> selling 
>> this thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't 
>> help 
>> myself. 
>>
>> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle 
>> spring cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter 
>> city 
>> scuzz /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some 
>> new 
>> things with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. 
>> Just 
>> using what I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>>
>> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the 
>> used maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how 
>> big o' 
>> meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake 
>> cables.. 
>> I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to 

[RBW] Re: Thumb Shifter Advice

[Aaron Wilson]

Thanks Jim! I'll have to ask around to see if I can try some. Maybe I 
should switch my Microshift 9-speed shifter to friction to test the waters 
in the mean time. 

Glen, I used to use rapid fire, but really like how compact and simple 
thumb shifters are. When my 11-speed commuter ghost shifts, I do miss the 
reliability of a trigger shifter though. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Robert Calton]

Aww, bummer :( Thanks for the info Johnny

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:33:10 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I believe that is blue not sage. Blue was available as a 51 frame.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:08:03 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug, thanks again for some insight. It seems they didn't make a 51 in 
>> the 2009 sage frame runs, it went from 48 to 52 and that measurement seems 
>> too big to be a 48. Unless they had sage frames in the 2017 run of 51's, 
>> that is, but I'm not sure when the color switch happened. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:32:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
>>> measurement for the listed sizes.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
 indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
 
  doesn't 
 show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
 would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
 definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.

 On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top 
> of Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I 
> bought the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers 
> word and quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6" 
>  with a 28" inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely 
> clear the TT..
>
> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask 
>> them about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my 
>> size 
>> in this model given the other geometry :) 
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I 
>>> don't know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If 
>>> the 
>>> numbers are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b 
>>> wheels. 
>>> That is a nice looking build with nice parts.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
 and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely 
 Hillborne. I 
 just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The 
 listing 
 says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: 
 on 
 their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 
 54cm 
 or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
 sure 
 a 53 would be fine too.  

 All the best,
 Robert 

 On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. 
> First up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>
>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>- Paul brake levers
>- Tektro brakes
>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>- 9-speed cassette
>- Acera derailleur 
>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>- Albatross handlebars 
>- Paul thumbies 
>
> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>
> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Sam Hillborne 52cm Complete Bicycle

[Rich Lesnik]

Photos of the previously-listed 52cm Sam are in this Craigslist post. 
Thanks! -- Rich

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 7:38:06 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:

>
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7737949414.html
>

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[RBW] Rivendell Sam Hillborne 52cm Complete Bicycle

[Rich Lesnik]

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7737949414.html

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Johnny Alien]

I believe that is blue not sage. Blue was available as a 51 frame.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:08:03 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Doug, thanks again for some insight. It seems they didn't make a 51 in 
> the 2009 sage frame runs, it went from 48 to 52 and that measurement seems 
> too big to be a 48. Unless they had sage frames in the 2017 run of 51's, 
> that is, but I'm not sure when the color switch happened. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:32:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
>> measurement for the listed sizes.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
>>> indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
>>> 
>>>  doesn't 
>>> show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
>>> would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
>>> definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>
 Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top 
 of Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I 
 bought the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers 
 word and quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6" 
  with a 28" inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely 
 clear the TT..

 I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.

 On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask 
> them about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my 
> size 
> in this model given the other geometry :) 
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
>> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the 
>> numbers 
>> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is 
>> a 
>> nice looking build with nice parts.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
>>> and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely 
>>> Hillborne. I 
>>> just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing 
>>> says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on 
>>> their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 
>>> 54cm 
>>> or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
>>> sure 
>>> a 53 would be fine too.  
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Robert 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>
 Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. 
 First up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:

- New Albion cranks 46/30
- Paul brake levers
- Tektro brakes
- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
- 9-speed cassette
- Acera derailleur 
- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
- Albatross handlebars 
- Paul thumbies 

 Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis

 Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Robert Calton]

Hi Doug, thanks again for some insight. It seems they didn't make a 51 in 
the 2009 sage frame runs, it went from 48 to 52 and that measurement seems 
too big to be a 48. Unless they had sage frames in the 2017 run of 51's, 
that is, but I'm not sure when the color switch happened. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:32:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
> measurement for the listed sizes.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
>> indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
>> 
>>  doesn't 
>> show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
>> would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
>> definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>
>>> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top 
>>> of Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I 
>>> bought the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers 
>>> word and quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6" 
>>>  with a 28" inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely 
>>> clear the TT..
>>>
>>> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
 about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
 this model given the other geometry :) 

 On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the 
> numbers 
> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is 
> a 
> nice looking build with nice parts.
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
>> and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. 
>> I 
>> just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing 
>> says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on 
>> their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 
>> 54cm 
>> or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
>> sure 
>> a 53 would be fine too.  
>>
>> All the best,
>> Robert 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>
>>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. 
>>> First up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>>
>>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>>- Paul brake levers
>>>- Tektro brakes
>>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>>- 9-speed cassette
>>>- Acera derailleur 
>>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>>- Paul thumbies 
>>>
>>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>>
>>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Thumb Shifter Advice

[J J]

Hi Aaron. I was just telling another list member privately that Paul 
Thumbies + Shimano SL-BS77s are my idea of shifting nirvana. We have this 
combo on five of our bikes. I use them strictly in friction mode and they 
totally fulfilled my quest for awesome shifting. No need to explore 
shifters anymore! 

With the high-end drivetrain you're setting up, I can't imagine you will 
find smoother, lighter, or more precise action. 

The caveat is that what works for one person won't necessarily work for 
someone else. It's subjective and idiosyncratic. 

Good luck!

Jim

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:05:11 PM UTC-4 Glen wrote:

> When I switched up my Atlantis to Billy Bars a few years ago I also 
> ditched the bar ends for a Shimano Sora rapid fire rear shifter and one of 
> the Sunrace front shifters set up for left inner mounting. 
>
> I really like that setup but if you don't have the real estate in front of 
> your grips, that the Billy Bars have, you may find that the shifter gets in 
> the way of grasping the bars just in front of the grip. The left side has 
> much more room to grasp there and if you spend a lot of time climbing in 
> that position you may find the Sora uncomfortable and prefer the Sunrace 
> for both sides. 
>
> It had been almost 20 years since I last had indexing on a road bike and 
> it's kind of a nice change. I love it on my mountain bike but its a 1X and 
> I would never try to shift an indexed 3X (again)
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:50:21 AM UTC-6 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'll be building up one of the new Susies (in green) soon and I'm *debating 
>> my thumb-shifter options*. Do you have some advice?
>>
>> I'll be setting up
>>
>>- 9-speed Shimano RD (RD-M952)
>>- Triple Shimano FD (FD-M953) on a Silver Wide-low double
>>- Inside-mount thumb shifters on Sim Works (Nitto) Ramble bars
>>- Preferably, indexed shifting for the rear
>>
>> I know of
>>
>>- *Microshift*. I've got a lot of miles on their 11-speed thumb 
>>shifter on my commuter and I get ghost shifts no matter how much I tweak 
>>it. I have a lot fewer miles on their 2/3x9 pair on my 90s mountain bike 
>>and they haven't given me trouble. 
>>- *Paul Thumbie + Shimano SL-BS77*. Tempting, but expensive. Do you 
>>have experience with this setup? Can you compare it with Microshift?
>>- *Silver2*. Pretty, but not indexed and I'm a scared wimp. Can you 
>>convince me friction shifting is the way to go?
>>- *Are there other options* (including used or NOS) I should consider?
>>
>> Thanks in advance, 
>> Aaron
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Doug H.]

I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
measurement for the listed sizes.
Doug

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
> indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
> 
>  doesn't 
> show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
> would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
> definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>
>> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top of 
>> Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I bought 
>> the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers word and 
>> quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6"  with a 28" 
>> inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely clear the TT..
>>
>> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
>>> about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
>>> this model given the other geometry :) 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
 know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers 
 are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a 
 nice looking build with nice parts.
 Doug

 On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
> and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. 
> I 
> just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing 
> says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on 
> their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm 
> or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
> sure 
> a 53 would be fine too.  
>
> All the best,
> Robert 
>
> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>
>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First 
>> up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>
>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>- Paul brake levers
>>- Tektro brakes
>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>- 9-speed cassette
>>- Acera derailleur 
>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>- Paul thumbies 
>>
>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>
>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Long shot: Seeking information about a Sturmey Archer AR-8 hub: IGH + drum brake

[Patrick Moore]

I'm amazed at what arcana comes up from a request for obscure information.
I cannot be 100% certain without disassembling the hub in question, but
various inputs from several lists indicate that this "AR-8" hub is not an
ultra-close ratio racing 3 speed hub from 1938 ("AR-8") inexplicably
attached to a drum brake but a A*B*-8, an AW (133/100/75) wide ratio hub
very expectedly attached to a drum brake made in 1938 for very reasonable
use on an upright roadsters. Someone thought that the stamping read
"AB-*3"* but
I see an 8 when I look closely.

I Googled some more and found a couple of old FS ads for old roadsters with
AB-8 hubs as well as these SA links for the AB and the AB3, which both are
also on Sheldon's SA IGH crib chart:

AB: 1930s wide ratio with drum brake:
http://www.sturmey-archerheritage.com/index.php?page=history-detail&id=54

*And* the AB3: a modern (at least per Sheldon in 2010) iteration:
https://web.archive.org/web/20121029092003/http://www.sturmey-archer.com/products/hubs/cid/3/id/18/specs/1

But I think that the stamping reads "8" and not "3" -- again, AB hub, wide
ratio, plus drum brake, 1938.

So, over and out.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 3:03 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Someone wants to trade for one of my AMs and I want to know what ratios it
> has.
>
> I realize that this is a long shot (and yes, I first asked on the IGH
> list) but does anyone know what the ratios are?
>
> >>> Is this in fact an ultra-close ratio AR hub* (made for time trialers)
> mated for some reason to a drum brake? Perhaps for tandem time trialers? <<<
>
> I'd love to have an AR with or without drum, but I don't want to end up
> with another AW-type epicyclic.
>
>
> * Direct, 107.24% overdrive, 93.24% underdrive; say 75/70/66 gi.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Robert Calton]

Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is indeed 
the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 

 doesn't 
show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top of 
> Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I bought 
> the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers word and 
> quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6"  with a 28" 
> inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely clear the TT..
>
> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
>> about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
>> this model given the other geometry :) 
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
>>> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers 
>>> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a 
>>> nice looking build with nice parts.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling and 
 hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. I 
 just 
 wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing says 
 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on their 
 site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm or 
 indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm sure a 
 53 would be fine too.  

 All the best,
 Robert 

 On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First 
> up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>
>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>- Paul brake levers
>- Tektro brakes
>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>- 9-speed cassette
>- Acera derailleur 
>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>- Albatross handlebars 
>- Paul thumbies 
>
> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>
> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>


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[RBW] Re: Thumb Shifter Advice

[Glen]

When I switched up my Atlantis to Billy Bars a few years ago I also ditched 
the bar ends for a Shimano Sora rapid fire rear shifter and one of the 
Sunrace front shifters set up for left inner mounting. 

I really like that setup but if you don't have the real estate in front of 
your grips, that the Billy Bars have, you may find that the shifter gets in 
the way of grasping the bars just in front of the grip. The left side has 
much more room to grasp there and if you spend a lot of time climbing in 
that position you may find the Sora uncomfortable and prefer the Sunrace 
for both sides. 

It had been almost 20 years since I last had indexing on a road bike and 
it's kind of a nice change. I love it on my mountain bike but its a 1X and 
I would never try to shift an indexed 3X (again)

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:50:21 AM UTC-6 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'll be building up one of the new Susies (in green) soon and I'm *debating 
> my thumb-shifter options*. Do you have some advice?
>
> I'll be setting up
>
>- 9-speed Shimano RD (RD-M952)
>- Triple Shimano FD (FD-M953) on a Silver Wide-low double
>- Inside-mount thumb shifters on Sim Works (Nitto) Ramble bars
>- Preferably, indexed shifting for the rear
>
> I know of
>
>- *Microshift*. I've got a lot of miles on their 11-speed thumb 
>shifter on my commuter and I get ghost shifts no matter how much I tweak 
>it. I have a lot fewer miles on their 2/3x9 pair on my 90s mountain bike 
>and they haven't given me trouble. 
>- *Paul Thumbie + Shimano SL-BS77*. Tempting, but expensive. Do you 
>have experience with this setup? Can you compare it with Microshift?
>- *Silver2*. Pretty, but not indexed and I'm a scared wimp. Can you 
>convince me friction shifting is the way to go?
>- *Are there other options* (including used or NOS) I should consider?
>
> Thanks in advance, 
> Aaron
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[johnb]

Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top of 
Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I bought 
the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers word and 
quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6"  with a 28" 
inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely clear the TT..

I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
> about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
> this model given the other geometry :) 
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
>> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers 
>> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a 
>> nice looking build with nice parts.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling and 
>>> hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. I just 
>>> wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing says 
>>> 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on their 
>>> site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm or 
>>> indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm sure a 
>>> 53 would be fine too.  
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Robert 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>
 Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First 
 up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:

- New Albion cranks 46/30
- Paul brake levers
- Tektro brakes
- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
- 9-speed cassette
- Acera derailleur 
- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
- Albatross handlebars 
- Paul thumbies 

 Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis

 Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne Complete Albatross-build Bike (Waterford frame, Taiwan fork) $1800

[Richard Rose]

Try posting one pic at a time.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 16, 2024, at 7:55 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:This is for a phone, I take screenshots of the photos and it works. On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 2:00:30 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:Can anyone tell me how to post photos on the forum? I have 7 photos of the previously listed 52cm Sam, but keep getting a "message too large" notification when I try to post them.On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:This is my old Sam, returned to me by my brother who doesn't ride it anymore. Color is sage green. Suntour XCPro front/rear detailers, wheels built by me, Deore hubs, Atlas (rear) Synergy (front) rims. Sugino XD2 triple crank. Includes B67 honey saddle, Gripking pedals. Local Bay Area pickup. Photos available on request (unless someone can tell me how to post photos on the forum!)



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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne Complete Albatross-build Bike (Waterford frame, Taiwan fork) $1800

[Joe Bernard]

This is for a phone, I take screenshots of the photos and it works. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 2:00:30 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how to post photos on the forum? I have 7 photos of the 
> previously listed 52cm Sam, but keep getting a "message too large" 
> notification when I try to post them.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:
>
>> This is my old Sam, returned to me by my brother who doesn't ride it 
>> anymore. Color is sage green. Suntour XCPro front/rear detailers, wheels 
>> built by me, Deore hubs, Atlas (rear) Synergy (front) rims. Sugino XD2 
>> triple crank. Includes B67 honey saddle, Gripking pedals. Local Bay Area 
>> pickup. Photos available on request (unless someone can tell me how to post 
>> photos on the forum!)
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seven Speed Hubs

[Bill Lindsay]

Mitchell

You should email Will about your questions.  I had a similar idea about 
going 126mm, but I imagine I would just machine down the end cap on my 
lathe.  Running the numbers, they say that the center to flange distances 
for 135mm are: 38.3mm and 21.8mm.  If we just lopped off 9mm from the left 
to get to 126mm, that would shift the center over by 4.5mm, so the drive 
side center to flange would become 17.3mm, and the non-drive-side center to 
flange would be 42.8mm.  That's a pretty extreme imbalance.  17mm is not 
uncommon with 11-speed hubs, but 42.8mm is massive and would mean the NDS 
tension would be really low.  So, what I'd look for is to see if there's 
room to take 2 or 3mm off the drive side end cap instead of taking it all 
off the NDS.  If we could get those center to flange numbers to around 40mm 
and 20mm, that would be something I could be more comfortable with.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:50:21 AM UTC-7 Mitchell Gass wrote:

> These check a lot of my boxes:  great for low-dish wheels, cold-forged 
> body, steel cassette body, cartridge bearings. I was going to contact Riv 
> with some questions about them, but maybe people here already know the 
> answers:
>
> - Do they include quick releases?
> - They're currently 135 mm OLN only. When will the end caps for 130 mm OLN 
> be available?
> - Are there any thoughts about getting end caps for 126 OLN?
> - What's involved in replacing the bearings and lubing the pawls? What 
> tools are needed? What bearings does it take? Is there, or will there be, a 
> video showing how to take these apart and put them back together?
> - Will Riv carry spare parts for these, such as replacement pawls and 
> cassette bodies?
>
> Mitchell Gass
> Berkeley CA USA
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 5:48:00 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Yes...they are good-looking hubs. Did you buy them?
>>
>> On Friday, April 12, 2024 at 6:48:19 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> [image: R0005110.jpeg]Yes, these are really, really nice. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: VO 175mm Single Ring Crankset

[Robert Calton]

I'll take it :) How would you prefer payment? 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 5:24:58 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> 1x setups are not for me. Barely ridden/almost zero wear on the chainring. 
> Some light scuffs but nothing major. 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/cranks/products/single-ring-crankset-w-nw-ring
> $110 shipped in the lower 48. 
>
> [image: IMG_5495.jpg]
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Very belated SFR 300k ride report

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks Noah.  I'll be riding that same bike for the Fault Line 200 on cinco 
de mayo and the Hamilton 200 on June 1.  That'll take me to the halfway 
point for an R12 medal.  

BL #6551

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 2:00:41 PM UTC-7 Noah Swartz wrote:

> Oh, I saw you at the start Bill! Love the matching fenders!
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 12:11 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bill, I'm glad you had a good ride with your Roadeo.  Your post 
>> reminded me that I took a picture of my bike after the 300k, so I've 
>> attached it here.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>> [image: IMG_1793.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 7:26 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Good work Toshi!  
>>>
>>> I also skipped the 400, which would have been my first, and instead went 
>>> for a fast 200 yesterday on the Two-Rock Valley Ford route.  It was my 
>>> first long ride on my new pink Roadeo, which was very fun
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 10:30:08 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 About a month ago, I rode the SFR 300k event.  Prior to the 300k, I 
 rode the SFR 200k event and completed it successfully.  I hoped to add to 
 my training, but I was only able to take one ride in the weekend ~28 hilly 
 miles to supplement my 4-5 days of commuting during the week.

 Despite the lack of long miles, I was confident that if I stuck to my 
 plan of taking it easy on the hills and limiting my stopping time, then I 
 could have a good outcome.  

 The 300k route is very similar to the Russian River 200k route, except 
 the extra 100k comes from riding from the out and back from San Francisco 
 towards Fairfax-Olema.  There were a few extra km in the mostly flats 
 around Santa Rosa too.

 I had around a 10 hour 200k, so I was targeting a 10 + 6 hour =16 hour 
 300k.

 I made my chicken sausage/egg/rice "sushi" rolls and then didn't stop 
 at all for food.  I took a couple quick bathroom breaks and a water break, 
 but the only substantial time off the bike was my two flats.

 Unfortunately my rear tire picked up some steel belted tire wires that 
 went through my Grand Bois Hetre tire and gave it a slow flat.  These 
 annoying metal wires can only be removed by pliers, so it is a good idea 
 to 
 carry one in your toolkit.  I have a mini leatherman tool that I have in 
 my 
 bike bag.

 --One thing I did notice was that my tire had some sidewall damage 
 despite being stored inside and the tire being relatively new.  I booted 
 the tire with a sticky park tire boot and continued on to the end without 
 mishap.  I'm not sure when the tire damage happened and need to make sure 
 to check my tires before a long ride more carefully.

 Despite the 2 flats, I finished in about 16 hours, so overall it was a 
 good ride in that I reached my desired goal.

 I couldn't do the SFR 400k, which was yesterday, ending today, due to 
 an orchestra concert today.  It was a bit wet out there, so I hope 
 everyone 
 who did it managed ok. Actually, a couple years ago I rode the 400k and 
 played in a concert the following day.  I wasn't so confident this time!

 Several years ago I rode a wet 400k and finished around 23 hours 
 (brutal!) and did the very stupid thing of trying to drive home without 
 taking a nap.  I caught myself falling asleep on the drive home and could 
 have killed myself.  I promise to rest before going home!

 I'm sure to have at least one big ride (double century or 400k) to ride 
 this year, but I have to juggle that with my crazy schedule.  Luckily my 
 daily commute is providing a good base of training for these rides.

 Toshi in Oakland

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Noodle 46cm, Technomic 26.0 x80

[Ethan K]

Stem is pending. Bars still available. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 2:05:38 PM UTC-7 Ethan K wrote:

> These were on my original Homer build, but didn't quite fit (bars too 
> wide,  stem too long). They were mounted on the bike for maybe a month, 
> probably 5 rides at most (since the bike wasn't very comfortable for me). 
> Both are in excellent condition. Prices do not include shipping. Local 
> pickup from 90292 is welcome. 
> --Eitan
>
> $80 for the handlebars
> $50 for the stem
> $120 if purchased together.
>
> [image: IMG_3677.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_3676.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne Complete Albatross-build Bike (Waterford frame, Taiwan fork) $1800

[Robert Calton]

You can try posting to imgur  and just posting the link. 
Just drag and drop all the images right on over onto the imgur site. :)

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 5:00:30 PM UTC-4 Rich Lesnik wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how to post photos on the forum? I have 7 photos of the 
> previously listed 52cm Sam, but keep getting a "message too large" 
> notification when I try to post them.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:
>
>> This is my old Sam, returned to me by my brother who doesn't ride it 
>> anymore. Color is sage green. Suntour XCPro front/rear detailers, wheels 
>> built by me, Deore hubs, Atlas (rear) Synergy (front) rims. Sugino XD2 
>> triple crank. Includes B67 honey saddle, Gripking pedals. Local Bay Area 
>> pickup. Photos available on request (unless someone can tell me how to post 
>> photos on the forum!)
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne Complete Albatross-build Bike (Waterford frame, Taiwan fork) $1800

[Rich Lesnik]

Can anyone tell me how to post photos on the forum? I have 7 photos of the 
previously listed 52cm Sam, but keep getting a "message too large" 
notification when I try to post them.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:

> This is my old Sam, returned to me by my brother who doesn't ride it 
> anymore. Color is sage green. Suntour XCPro front/rear detailers, wheels 
> built by me, Deore hubs, Atlas (rear) Synergy (front) rims. Sugino XD2 
> triple crank. Includes B67 honey saddle, Gripking pedals. Local Bay Area 
> pickup. Photos available on request (unless someone can tell me how to post 
> photos on the forum!)
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[RBW] FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne Complete Albatross-build Bike (Waterford frame, Taiwan fork) $1800

[Rich Lesnik]

This is my old Sam, returned to me by my brother who doesn't ride it 
anymore. Color is sage green. Suntour XCPro front/rear detailers, wheels 
built by me, Deore hubs, Atlas (rear) Synergy (front) rims. Sugino XD2 
triple crank. Includes B67 honey saddle, Gripking pedals. Local Bay Area 
pickup. Photos available on request (unless someone can tell me how to post 
photos on the forum!)

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[RBW] WTB: Short Pull Levers

[Doug H.]

I need a set of flat bar short pull levers for a handlebar swap. If you 
have bar end or thumb shifters for 9 speed you'd sell let me know too.

I have a few parts to sell or trade if there is any interest: Velo Orange 
Happy Stem 110 mm length and 31.8 bar clamp; well used Jitensha bars with 
tape residue; short Nitto quill to threadless converter: Shimano long pull 
flat bar levers (Alivio level likely) black and gray; MKS Sylvan pedals. Or 
I can pay cash.
Doug
Athens, Ga

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Armand Kizirian]

Very nice! That main triangle is begging for a frame bag. It is massive! 
Enjoy your wonderfully functional bicycle. 

I was so close to getting a Rosco in my size last summer. Gave up waiting 
for one and got a Platypus. I really think most of Riv's bikes should just 
be tig'd like this. I never thought it made sense to have such a beautiful 
and ornate frame with (typically) very cheap components. The Rosco's simply 
feel more in line with the Riv philosophy (why do they value 
labor-intensive pretty lugs but basically not be concerned with aesthetics 
elsewhere?). Would be nice to have the more discreet Rosco to attract less 
attention and be less concerned with beating the frame up. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:45:36 AM UTC-7 EGNolan wrote:

> Always loved this run, I selfishly hope they use it as a way to bring the 
> Susie/Mtn bike back in the future. You can tig 'em, but please, make 'em.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:36:44 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is a sweet build! I'd like to get one of those White Industries / 
>> Sugino cranks some day. 
>>
>> Is there any write-up or an ancient email about the idea behind the frame 
>> design? Will's Massive Mountain Mixte. Do we have an oral history at least? 
>>
>> Are you gonna wire up a dynamo back up in the future? 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 7:14:17 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nope! Mmmassive it is!! Glad it’s tasting proper trail dirt with those 
>>> knobbies. And so beautifully blue? I thought it was brown!
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember 
 what the third m stood for... loving the bike!

 On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Massive mountain mixte!
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  
> wrote:
>
>> Love it!!!
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
>>> WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 🙂
>>> Happy shredding!
>>> -Kai
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 Couple more:

 [image: IMG_6627.jpg]

 [image: IMG_6629.jpg]

 [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
 On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco 
> as I settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>
> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. 
> I really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the 
> riv 
> mixte propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was 
> selling 
> this thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't 
> help 
> myself. 
>
> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle 
> spring cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter 
> city 
> scuzz /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some 
> new 
> things with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. 
> Just 
> using what I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>
> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used 
> maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big 
> o' 
> meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake 
> cables.. 
> I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these 
> big 
> ones are fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a 
> couple 
> years because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the 
> clamp 
> size and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to 
> shim the 
> derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats 
> working. 
>
> Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:
>
> Build notes:
> 60cm Tosco's
> old ass oury grips
> avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
> riv silver 2 thumbies 
> nitto 11cm talux
> stock fsa headset
> stock kalloy seatpost
> imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
> Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
> Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
> 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
> Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
> mismatchy monarch pedals
> XTR M9sumthin FD
> XTR Rapid Rise RD
> XT 11-34 cassette
> one of those blingy gold kmc chains
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[EGNolan]

Always loved this run, I selfishly hope they use it as a way to bring the 
Susie/Mtn bike back in the future. You can tig 'em, but please, make 'em.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:36:44 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is a sweet build! I'd like to get one of those White Industries / 
> Sugino cranks some day. 
>
> Is there any write-up or an ancient email about the idea behind the frame 
> design? Will's Massive Mountain Mixte. Do we have an oral history at least? 
>
> Are you gonna wire up a dynamo back up in the future? 
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 7:14:17 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> Nope! Mmmassive it is!! Glad it’s tasting proper trail dirt with those 
>> knobbies. And so beautifully blue? I thought it was brown!
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember 
>>> what the third m stood for... loving the bike!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 Massive mountain mixte!

 On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  
 wrote:

> Love it!!!
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
>> WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 🙂
>> Happy shredding!
>> -Kai
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Couple more:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 Howdy,

 Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco as 
 I settle in and keep personalizing it. 

 I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. I 
 really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the riv 
 mixte 
 propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was selling 
 this 
 thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't help 
 myself. 

 This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle spring 
 cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter city 
 scuzz 
 /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some new 
 things 
 with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. Just using 
 what 
 I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.

 Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used 
 maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big o' 
 meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake 
 cables.. 
 I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these 
 big 
 ones are fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a 
 couple 
 years because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the 
 clamp 
 size and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to shim 
 the 
 derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats 
 working. 

 Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:

 Build notes:
 60cm Tosco's
 old ass oury grips
 avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
 riv silver 2 thumbies 
 nitto 11cm talux
 stock fsa headset
 stock kalloy seatpost
 imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
 Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
 Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
 Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
 mismatchy monarch pedals
 XTR M9sumthin FD
 XTR Rapid Rise RD
 XT 11-34 cassette
 one of those blingy gold kmc chains

 [image: IMG_6619.jpg]

 [image: IMG_6622.jpg]



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[RBW] Re: Gravel Tires for Cheviot

[R. Scott Lake]

Great tip! Thank you

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 2:39:44 PM UTC-4 EGNolan wrote:

> I had a 60cm Cheviot and 48 knobbies from Rene Herse fit fine. I ended up 
> riding 38 slicks (Barlow Pass) as they felt better on pavement on that bike 
> and handled all the gravel and trails that I was doing at the time. I loved 
> both tires and the bike, but prefer the capability and clearance with the 
> 48's in my Appaloosa. 42's like the Ultradynamico or Rene Herse would 
> likely be a perfect middle ground.
>
> Eric
> Indpls
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:12:53 PM UTC-4 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>
>> Forgot to mention I have a pair of Ultradynamico Cava Jff 42's- thinking 
>> about trying these but heard they are prone to flats
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 12:01:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The Standard Casing Rene Herse Pumpkin Ridge would be my pick for a 
>>> Cheviut.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:57:42 AM UTC-7 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>>>
 Wanting to change the shoes on my Cheviot and use as a gravel bike on 
 flat trails in Lowcountry of SC.
 Currently have 38 Schwable LBB.
 I think the Cheviot can handle 45's (without fenders).
 Any suggestions? 
 Panracers, Rene Herse?
 Other?

 Thanks!

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Gravel Tires for Cheviot

[EGNolan]

I had a 60cm Cheviot and 48 knobbies from Rene Herse fit fine. I ended up 
riding 38 slicks (Barlow Pass) as they felt better on pavement on that bike 
and handled all the gravel and trails that I was doing at the time. I loved 
both tires and the bike, but prefer the capability and clearance with the 
48's in my Appaloosa. 42's like the Ultradynamico or Rene Herse would 
likely be a perfect middle ground.

Eric
Indpls

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:12:53 PM UTC-4 R. Scott Lake wrote:

> Forgot to mention I have a pair of Ultradynamico Cava Jff 42's- thinking 
> about trying these but heard they are prone to flats
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 12:01:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The Standard Casing Rene Herse Pumpkin Ridge would be my pick for a 
>> Cheviut.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:57:42 AM UTC-7 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>>
>>> Wanting to change the shoes on my Cheviot and use as a gravel bike on 
>>> flat trails in Lowcountry of SC.
>>> Currently have 38 Schwable LBB.
>>> I think the Cheviot can handle 45's (without fenders).
>>> Any suggestions? 
>>> Panracers, Rene Herse?
>>> Other?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Thumb Shifter Advice

[DavidP]

Usually when reversing shifters for inside mounting the left is kept as the 
front shifter and the right as the rear. When you reverse index shifters in 
this way you are forced to swap the front/rear shifting so that the left 
shifts the rear. It's not wrong, just unconventional.

-Dave
On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the backup on my love of clicks. :) 
>
> I've got my Microshift 2x9 set up inside and indexed without cable routing 
> issues. Yes, they're reversed, but that takes about 30 seconds to get used 
> to. Is cable routing an issue with other options?
>
>  [image: PXL_20230930_181944351.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:41:50 AM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> Because of the cable routing, inside mounted thumbshifters must be 
>> friction because they need to be reversed, left/right. That said, clicks 
>> are pretty great, you should run the expensive Shimano/Paul stuff, or the 
>> less expensive Microshift thumbies. And that said, of my three bikes, two 
>> are friction and also pretty great, but no inside thumbies for want of the 
>> indexing option should my friction fail (just kidding, about the last 
>> failing bit, not that other stuff).
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be building up one of the new Susies (in green) soon and I'm *debating 
>>> my thumb-shifter options*. Do you have some advice?
>>>
>>> I'll be setting up
>>>
>>>- 9-speed Shimano RD (RD-M952)
>>>- Triple Shimano FD (FD-M953) on a Silver Wide-low double
>>>- Inside-mount thumb shifters on Sim Works (Nitto) Ramble bars
>>>- Preferably, indexed shifting for the rear
>>>
>>> I know of
>>>
>>>- *Microshift*. I've got a lot of miles on their 11-speed thumb 
>>>shifter on my commuter and I get ghost shifts no matter how much I tweak 
>>>it. I have a lot fewer miles on their 2/3x9 pair on my 90s mountain bike 
>>>and they haven't given me trouble. 
>>>- *Paul Thumbie + Shimano SL-BS77*. Tempting, but expensive. Do you 
>>>have experience with this setup? Can you compare it with Microshift?
>>>- *Silver2*. Pretty, but not indexed and I'm a scared wimp. Can you 
>>>convince me friction shifting is the way to go?
>>>- *Are there other options* (including used or NOS) I should 
>>>consider?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance, 
>>> Aaron
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thumb Shifter Advice

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Because of the cable routing, inside mounted thumbshifters must be friction 
because they need to be reversed, left/right. That said, clicks are pretty 
great, you should run the expensive Shimano/Paul stuff, or the less 
expensive Microshift thumbies. And that said, of my three bikes, two are 
friction and also pretty great, but no inside thumbies for want of the 
indexing option should my friction fail (just kidding, about the last 
failing bit, not that other stuff).
-Kai


On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'll be building up one of the new Susies (in green) soon and I'm *debating 
> my thumb-shifter options*. Do you have some advice?
>
> I'll be setting up
>
>- 9-speed Shimano RD (RD-M952)
>- Triple Shimano FD (FD-M953) on a Silver Wide-low double
>- Inside-mount thumb shifters on Sim Works (Nitto) Ramble bars
>- Preferably, indexed shifting for the rear
>
> I know of
>
>- *Microshift*. I've got a lot of miles on their 11-speed thumb 
>shifter on my commuter and I get ghost shifts no matter how much I tweak 
>it. I have a lot fewer miles on their 2/3x9 pair on my 90s mountain bike 
>and they haven't given me trouble. 
>- *Paul Thumbie + Shimano SL-BS77*. Tempting, but expensive. Do you 
>have experience with this setup? Can you compare it with Microshift?
>- *Silver2*. Pretty, but not indexed and I'm a scared wimp. Can you 
>convince me friction shifting is the way to go?
>- *Are there other options* (including used or NOS) I should consider?
>
> Thanks in advance, 
> Aaron
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Billie bars

[Brenton Eastman]

What’s the clamp diameter?

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 5:08:51 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:

> $95 now
>
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 6:57:46 AM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> $100 shipped.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 11:34:00 AM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>>
>>> I have some shims that would allow smaller diameter bars to be installed.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 7:30:20 AM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>>>
 Been installed but so damn close to perfect condition...a photo can't 
 show the teeny tiny nicks. $110 shipped.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] WTB Atlantis 53cm, Homer 54.5cm, frame or complete

[Robert Calton]

Good looking out, Matthew. My PBH is 83.8, so unfortunately the 51cm 
Atlantis seems a wee bit short. Thank you for passing it along though! I've 
got some chats going on about a Sam and a Homer right now. Hopefully one of 
those works out :) 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:03:23 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Here’s a 51cm Atlantis...
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-atlantis-new/7733367373.html
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2024, at 5:38 AM, Robert Calton  wrote:
>
> Also very interested in a Hillborne 52/54
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:36:15 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Looking for an Atlantis in 53cm or Homer in 54.5cm, frame or complete. 
>> I'm in the Boston metro or I'll cover shipping. 
>>
>> Thank you for your time and consideration. :) 
>
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[RBW] Re: Gravel Tires for Cheviot

[R. Scott Lake]

Forgot to mention I have a pair of Ultradynamico Cava Jff 42's- thinking 
about trying these but heard they are prone to flats


On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 12:01:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The Standard Casing Rene Herse Pumpkin Ridge would be my pick for a 
> Cheviut.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:57:42 AM UTC-7 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>
>> Wanting to change the shoes on my Cheviot and use as a gravel bike on 
>> flat trails in Lowcountry of SC.
>> Currently have 38 Schwable LBB.
>> I think the Cheviot can handle 45's (without fenders).
>> Any suggestions? 
>> Panracers, Rene Herse?
>> Other?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Gravel Tires for Cheviot

[DavidP]

I have the LBB 700x38s on a Sam-ish bike and they do just fine for mixed / 
gravel use. They are heavy, but can be run at low pressure for a dampened 
ride. They are true to size and bigger than the undersized 700x38 
GravelKing slicks I have on another bike. 

My Platypus has 700x50 GravelKing SKs (true to size) and they do well on 
pavement and have surprisng grip on dirt.

Panaracer is dropping the 700x43 size across the GravelKing line and going 
to 700x45, but you can still find 700x43 SKs for the time being.

Another option to consider is American Classic 700x45s - there is a range 
of tread styles so you could get a smoother rear and a knobbier front.

-Dave

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Maybe I’ll be alone in this, but… Just ride it! For the type of riding on 
> a Chev, microknobs/file tread doesn’t help much. If you run bigger 
> knobbies, it may actually be dangerous with the tire clearance maxed out. 
> Any stone picked up by the tread could jam against the fork or chain/seat 
> stays. Plus, they’ll fling more rocks and chip paint (or teeth, as I found 
> out once!). 
> I’d just lower the pressure a bit and see how it goes. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:57:42 AM UTC-6 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>
>> Wanting to change the shoes on my Cheviot and use as a gravel bike on 
>> flat trails in Lowcountry of SC.
>> Currently have 38 Schwable LBB.
>> I think the Cheviot can handle 45's (without fenders).
>> Any suggestions? 
>> Panracers, Rene Herse?
>> Other?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB Atlantis 53cm, Homer 54.5cm, frame or complete

[Matthew Williams]

Here’s a 51cm Atlantis...

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-atlantis-new/7733367373.html




> On Apr 15, 2024, at 5:38 AM, Robert Calton  wrote:
> 
> Also very interested in a Hillborne 52/54
> 
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:36:15 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>> Looking for an Atlantis in 53cm or Homer in 54.5cm, frame or complete. I'm 
>> in the Boston metro or I'll cover shipping. 
>> 
>> Thank you for your time and consideration. :) 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Gravel Tires for Cheviot

[Hoch in ut]

Maybe I’ll be alone in this, but… Just ride it! For the type of riding on a 
Chev, microknobs/file tread doesn’t help much. If you run bigger knobbies, 
it may actually be dangerous with the tire clearance maxed out. Any stone 
picked up by the tread could jam against the fork or chain/seat stays. 
Plus, they’ll fling more rocks and chip paint (or teeth, as I found out 
once!). 
I’d just lower the pressure a bit and see how it goes. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:57:42 AM UTC-6 R. Scott Lake wrote:

> Wanting to change the shoes on my Cheviot and use as a gravel bike on flat 
> trails in Lowcountry of SC.
> Currently have 38 Schwable LBB.
> I think the Cheviot can handle 45's (without fenders).
> Any suggestions? 
> Panracers, Rene Herse?
> Other?
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Matti]

Nice Riv Long Low in Seattle...
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/lynnwood-rivendell-longlow-59-cm-joe/7737587739.html

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:20:00 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:

> Time for a new FS thread?
>
> I saw this 63 Roadeo on the Crust classifieds and thought a tall member 
> here might be interested: https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179734
>
> Good price at $1,500 for the frameset but the seller indicates it has been 
> repainted by D&D Cycles.
>
> [image: roadeo.jpeg]
>
> No connection to the seller.
>
> Max
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[RBW] Re: Friction 9 V 10 speed

[Ted Durant]

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:21 PM UTC-5 ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:

Previous threads and literature suggests that the closer the cogs in 10 & 
11 speeds makes for better friction shifting.
 
What has been your experience? 


Like others, I have had mixed experience. A few observations -
1. On a very springy frame, derailer cables get yanked when you push hard 
on the pedals. I have a Terraferma that's so flexible even I can make it 
swing. I currently have some Cyclone derailers and Silver 1 shifters on 
that bike, with a 9-speed cassette, and there's no way I could tighten the 
shifters enough to keep it from ghost shifting if I do an out-of-the-saddle 
stoplight sprint. Other than that, it's a nice, smooth-shifting experience. 
It can be a little tricky to quiet the rear derailer when a cog is between 
clicks of the shifter. Which leads to ...
2. The reduction in derailer actuation (the ratio of derailer movement to 
cable movement) has been driven by the desire to have more cable movement 
per cog, to improve index shifting. The same effect can be felt with 
friction shifting, especially with shifters that use a micro-ratchet 
mechanism (like Silver). If the derailer requires only a small amount of 
cable movement to shift one cog, I find that the shifter can be between 
clicks, requiring one extra click then a slight shove forward. This gets 
pretty fiddly and would certainly be annoying if you're riding with the 
carbon folks or are oxygen deprived at 13k feet. Which leads to ...
3. The Simplex retrofriction bar-end shifters are absolutely perfect for 
shifting SRAM "exact actuation" (1.30 derailer actuation) derailers over 
10-11 speed cassettes. The 1.30 derailer actuation requires a fair amount 
of cable pull, and the Simplex bar-ends pull a lot of cable. Being 
retrofriction instead of ratchets, you never have the problem of being 
between clicks. Don't go putting Simplex retrofriction downtube levers on 
your bike and think you'll get the same experience, though. The downtube 
levers pull much less cable.

Bottom line ... you have to match your friction levers to your derailer and 
cog count combo if you want a system that works without a lot of fiddling. 
Not that fiddling is bad, necessarily. But you also should feel free to 
decide that indexing is better for your style of riding.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Gravel Tires for Cheviot

[Bill Lindsay]

The Standard Casing Rene Herse Pumpkin Ridge would be my pick for a Cheviut.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:57:42 AM UTC-7 R. Scott Lake wrote:

> Wanting to change the shoes on my Cheviot and use as a gravel bike on flat 
> trails in Lowcountry of SC.
> Currently have 38 Schwable LBB.
> I think the Cheviot can handle 45's (without fenders).
> Any suggestions? 
> Panracers, Rene Herse?
> Other?
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Gravel Tires for Cheviot

[R. Scott Lake]

Wanting to change the shoes on my Cheviot and use as a gravel bike on flat 
trails in Lowcountry of SC.
Currently have 38 Schwable LBB.
I think the Cheviot can handle 45's (without fenders).
Any suggestions? 
Panracers, Rene Herse?
Other?

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Jonathan Thomas]

This is my bike, I put it on marketplace as well. Not to familiar with using this message board to display pics, so fb was easier to use. Jonathan ThomasOn Apr 15, 2024, at 12:14 PM, vernon brooks  wrote:64cm Atlantis 2 for sale on Facebook marketplace in San Francisco for 3k.On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 9:55 AM JAS  wrote:Roadini, orange, 61cm, $2500Port Orchard, WAhttps://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/south-colby-rivendell-roadini-61cm/7730137923.html On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 11:40:56 AM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:Gone! Its orange, it even sells fast.Mike SLO CA On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:24:20 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:check out this Riv adjacent Ebisu in Davis, CA https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1045901090509133/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ad855af6f-dc71-4c85-b170-807584484136On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 3:16:26 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:60cm Homerhttps://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-homer-hilson/7732342937.htmlOn Friday, March 29, 2024 at 7:35:42 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:That Heron was just posted to the Riv buy/sell/trade Facebook group. $4000 shipped or less for local pick-up in Ann Arbor.On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 8:43:22 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:Your patience continues to earn you money.  Now the price is down to $6000.  Wait until September and you'll get paid to take it.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:I love a bargain 👍On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the roof.On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:wowOn Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:$7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  BL in ECOn Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:Heron Touring 55cm$7000Walled Lake, MichiganRare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, and full Campagnolo...https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H&hash=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr&itmprp=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYwOn Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:Roadini57cm2000Emeryville, CAhttps://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html



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[RBW] Re: WTB Atlantis 53cm, Homer 54.5cm, frame or complete

[Robert Calton]

Also very interested in a Hillborne 52/54

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:36:15 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> Looking for an Atlantis in 53cm or Homer in 54.5cm, frame or complete. I'm 
> in the Boston metro or I'll cover shipping. 
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration. :) 

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Re: [RBW] Hello from Ireland

[Ant Warland]

Hi Nick, 

Fellow drop bar Appaloosa owner here. I've been trying to figure out for 
some time how to get my dynamo light and front bag to play nicely - I 
really like your solution of putting the light under the bag. What rack are 
you using on the front there?

Thanks for the post,
Ant

On Monday 15 April 2024 at 00:07:15 UTC+1 Jay wrote:

> Hello Nick - welcome!
>
> I would like to see photos.  Ooo, and Videos, if you don't mind, both of 
> the city and countryside ;-)
>
> Seriously though, would LOVE to see some vlogs from Ireland :-)
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Welcome! I think you are the only Irish listmember. Please post photos of 
>> your rides and routes. Five or six years ago my daughter spent 10 days or 
>> so in Ireland with a high school chorale group and did the usual tours by 
>> coach outside of Dublin; lovely scenes. I had vague thoughts of flying out 
>> with a bike at the same time to do a tour but it came to nothing.
>>
>> I know we have at least one Japanese listmember who posts beautiful ride 
>> photos, and of course the list includes riders in all parts of the US 
>> posting hugely varied scenery, but I don't know of any other European 
>> members, let along another Irish one. Perhaps we had a Scottish listmember 
>> a few years ago, or did he post on the iBoblist?
>>
>> Patrick Moore, in the cottonwood bosque along the Rio Grande in the 
>> middle of the Southwestern US high desert.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 1:42 PM Nicholas A  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> My name's Nick from Dublin, a reformed racer, proud owner of an 
>>> Appaloosa with an A Homer Hilsen in the pipeline as well. I have a few 
>>> other bikes in the stable as well, a couple of Mercians namely. One is in 
>>> bits, and a lot of those bits are on the other. 
>>>
>>> Can't say I've seen a lot of Rivs in Ireland but I did chat to a guy on 
>>> a lovely Quickbeam recently.
>>>
>>> When I got the Appaloosa first I had Albatross bars on it but have a 
>>> stubby stem and 48cm Noodles on there now, I much prefer them. I guess you 
>>> can take the boy outta the road but you can't take the road outta the boy. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, happy to be here, I've been enjoying reading everyone's posts 
>>> and hope I can contribute something.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_8523.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Snapped Clem seat binder bolt

[Gregory Kagay]

My greased Roadini binder failed almost immediately with very little torque 
applied. Seems it was slightly too short for the job. Replaced with this 
bolt  and this nut 
. The new bolt is ever so slightly 
long for the application but it works great. The blackish nut is not my 
preference but I live in the country and was eager to source a robust 
solution. (And not much of it shows as most of it is hidden inside the seat 
lug.) Delivered, this was a $30 resolution (which makes me feel foolish); 
Rivendell could do so much better here.

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:20:01 AM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have never snapped a binder bolt but FWIW when I had some slipping on my 
> Atlantis post, my LBS spun the inside of the seat tube with a flex hone 
> attachment on their drill and that helped a lot. 
>
> mike in atx 
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:08:28 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
>> I have a bad habit of snapping the original binder bolt when making 
>> adjustments for fit. I just keep a bunch spares around and stash one with 
>> the tools/spare tube for when I ride.
>>
>> --Ed C.
>> Redondo Beach, CA
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 6:53:22 AM UTC-7 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Same thing happened on my brand new Platypus last year. Seatpost was 
>>> slipping and twisting and I overtightened it and snapped the bolt. Replaced 
>>> it with a spare from my bolts tray and it hasn't slipped in almost a year. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 3:37:36 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @Joseph -
 Thank-you. 

 On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The binder bolt snapped because the seatpost was too small. The bolt 
> and post need to be replaced so this doesn't happen again. 
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 12:02:33 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Joseph -
>>
>> I am referring to a Nitto seat post binder bolt that you suggested to 
>> replace the stock one on my Clem. I am seeing from your web link for a 
>> Nitto S65 Crystal Fellow Seat Post. ...or am I missing something ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:54:29 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-s65-crystal-fellow-seat-post-27-2-x-250-11031
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:26:28 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 @Joseph -
 Do you have a specific web link for purchase ?  Silver preferably.

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:11:18 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've come across several 26.8-post Rivs where the stock post 
> actually seemed to be 26.7. If you're using the stocker I'd ditch it 
> for a 
> Nitto. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 8:25:39 AM UTC-7 Igor wrote:
>
>> Agreed, thanks for sharing the information Danny. Per suggestion 
>> by Alex W, I also will swap the bolt for a black socket cap instead 
>> of 
>> stainless. Stronger but no galling..
>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 10:39:25 PM UTC-4 
>> krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Danny -
>>> Very good to know. I thank-you for the information. I think I 
>>> will grease mine as a precaution. I'm sure that Igor appreciates 
>>> it, as 
>>> well. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 7:22:14 PM UTC-7 Danny wrote:
>>>
 I’ve had that happen on a new Riv before.

 This is from a Riv newsletter last year:

 *Also, make sure to grease the binder bolts before you tighten 
 them down. They ship to us dry and they have a tendency to gall 
 and not 
 tighten down enough unless they're greased up.*

 -Danny


 On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 9:07 PM i  wrote:

> I was installing the seatpost on my wife’s new Clem, and could 
> not get the seatpost to stop turning. Eventually I broke the bolt.
>
> I remember I had this occur on an old Clem I had as well. 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 53cm $2500/obo

[Robert Calton]

Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
this model given the other geometry :) 

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't know 
> how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers are 
> accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a nice 
> looking build with nice parts.
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling and 
>> hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. I just 
>> wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing says 
>> 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on their 
>> site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm or 
>> indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm sure a 
>> 53 would be fine too.  
>>
>> All the best,
>> Robert 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>
>>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First 
>>> up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>>
>>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>>- Paul brake levers
>>>- Tektro brakes
>>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>>- 9-speed cassette
>>>- Acera derailleur 
>>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>>- Paul thumbies 
>>>
>>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>>
>>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>>
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[RBW] Thumb Shifter Advice

[Aaron Wilson]

I'll be building up one of the new Susies (in green) soon and I'm *debating 
my thumb-shifter options*. Do you have some advice?

I'll be setting up

   - 9-speed Shimano RD (RD-M952)
   - Triple Shimano FD (FD-M953) on a Silver Wide-low double
   - Inside-mount thumb shifters on Sim Works (Nitto) Ramble bars
   - Preferably, indexed shifting for the rear

I know of

   - *Microshift*. I've got a lot of miles on their 11-speed thumb shifter 
   on my commuter and I get ghost shifts no matter how much I tweak it. I have 
   a lot fewer miles on their 2/3x9 pair on my 90s mountain bike and they 
   haven't given me trouble. 
   - *Paul Thumbie + Shimano SL-BS77*. Tempting, but expensive. Do you have 
   experience with this setup? Can you compare it with Microshift?
   - *Silver2*. Pretty, but not indexed and I'm a scared wimp. Can you 
   convince me friction shifting is the way to go?
   - *Are there other options* (including used or NOS) I should consider?

Thanks in advance, 
Aaron

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[RBW] Re: Seven Speed Hubs

[Mitchell Gass]

These check a lot of my boxes:  great for low-dish wheels, cold-forged 
body, steel cassette body, cartridge bearings. I was going to contact Riv 
with some questions about them, but maybe people here already know the 
answers:

- Do they include quick releases?
- They're currently 135 mm OLN only. When will the end caps for 130 mm OLN 
be available?
- Are there any thoughts about getting end caps for 126 OLN?
- What's involved in replacing the bearings and lubing the pawls? What 
tools are needed? What bearings does it take? Is there, or will there be, a 
video showing how to take these apart and put them back together?
- Will Riv carry spare parts for these, such as replacement pawls and 
cassette bodies?

Mitchell Gass
Berkeley CA USA

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 5:48:00 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Yes...they are good-looking hubs. Did you buy them?
>
> On Friday, April 12, 2024 at 6:48:19 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: R0005110.jpeg]Yes, these are really, really nice. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Hello from Ireland

[Tom Goodmann]

Welcome, Nick!  Very beautiful country in these views; please do share your 
rides here. I understand it rarely rains? :)

Tom
(in Miami until the rainy season)

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:27:34 AM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
>
> Nick,
>
> I add my welcome to the group 
> greetings.
>
> From what I understand I have ancestral connections generations back
> to Scotland and Ireland.
>
> I've always wanted to visit.
>
> I'll enjoy any ride accounts and pictures you share.
>
> Paul in Dallas,TX
> box_liam on Instagram 
>
>
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[RBW] Hello from Ireland

[st nick]

Nick,
I add my welcome to the group greetings.
>From what I understand I have ancestral connections generations backto 
>Scotland and Ireland.
I've always wanted to visit.
I'll enjoy any ride accounts and pictures you share.
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Re: [RBW] Friction 9 V 10 speed

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1 for the old Suntours.

OTOH, I got wonderful friction shifting with gen-1 Silvers, a Microshift
road rear derailleur, and a home-brew 9-speed cogset (used 9 sp spacers but
cogs were probably mix of 9, 8, 7, and possibly Uniglde). So a great deal
depends on the match between shifter and derailleur. In fact, I think that
this shifter/derailleur combination may have been an ideal pairing given
the cog mismatches, tho' the Barcon + DA 7402 combo today (shifting 10) is
as good if not even better, but now using proper 10 sp cogs and an 11 sp
chain, and I do prefer the action, the absence of slipping, and the
durability (broke 2 Silvers when bike fell over) of the Barcons.

OTOH again, I recall back about 2000 doing some mountain bike day tours
around Aspen and using the current mid-level Shimano indexed trigger
shifting of the time, both front and rear. I remember being very glad at
how well it all worked -- shove, snick, new gear -- when oxygen deprived
climbing a steep hill at 13K feet. And certainly the 7 speed indexed dt
rear shifting on my Sante equipped Falcon was absolutely flawless.



On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 11:59 PM exliontamer  wrote:

> ... When pedaling hard, I've had ghost shifting on every Riv/Dia Compe
> Shifter I've had unless they're tightened to the point of negating the
> feel. Very much prefer the older Suntour ratcheting which just feel more
> solid/sure and the Shimanos that are switchable.

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[RBW] Texas Riv Ride Your Age Accomplished

[st nick]

Thank you.
Nick , that's a good idea... perhaps metric equivalent next year.
Paul in Dallas box_liam on Instagram 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Eric Marth]

This is a sweet build! I'd like to get one of those White Industries / 
Sugino cranks some day. 

Is there any write-up or an ancient email about the idea behind the frame 
design? Will's Massive Mountain Mixte. Do we have an oral history at least? 

Are you gonna wire up a dynamo back up in the future? 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 7:14:17 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Nope! Mmmassive it is!! Glad it’s tasting proper trail dirt with those 
> knobbies. And so beautifully blue? I thought it was brown!
> -Kai
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember 
>> what the third m stood for... loving the bike!
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Massive mountain mixte!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
 Love it!!!

 On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
 wrote:

> Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
> WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 🙂
> Happy shredding!
> -Kai
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Couple more:
>>
>> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco as 
>>> I settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>>>
>>> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. I 
>>> really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the riv 
>>> mixte 
>>> propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was selling this 
>>> thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't help 
>>> myself. 
>>>
>>> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle spring 
>>> cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter city 
>>> scuzz 
>>> /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some new things 
>>> with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. Just using 
>>> what 
>>> I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>>>
>>> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used 
>>> maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big o' 
>>> meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake 
>>> cables.. 
>>> I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these big 
>>> ones are fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a 
>>> couple 
>>> years because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the 
>>> clamp 
>>> size and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to shim 
>>> the 
>>> derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats 
>>> working. 
>>>
>>> Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:
>>>
>>> Build notes:
>>> 60cm Tosco's
>>> old ass oury grips
>>> avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
>>> riv silver 2 thumbies 
>>> nitto 11cm talux
>>> stock fsa headset
>>> stock kalloy seatpost
>>> imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
>>> Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
>>> Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
>>> 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
>>> Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
>>> mismatchy monarch pedals
>>> XTR M9sumthin FD
>>> XTR Rapid Rise RD
>>> XT 11-34 cassette
>>> one of those blingy gold kmc chains
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6619.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6622.jpg]
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Nope! Mmmassive it is!! Glad it’s tasting proper trail dirt with those 
knobbies. And so beautifully blue? I thought it was brown!
-Kai

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember 
> what the third m stood for... loving the bike!
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Massive mountain mixte!
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>>> Love it!!!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
 WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 🙂
 Happy shredding!
 -Kai
 On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Couple more:
>
> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco as I 
>> settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>>
>> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. I 
>> really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the riv 
>> mixte 
>> propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was selling this 
>> thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't help 
>> myself. 
>>
>> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle spring 
>> cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter city scuzz 
>> /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some new things 
>> with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. Just using 
>> what 
>> I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>>
>> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used 
>> maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big o' 
>> meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake 
>> cables.. 
>> I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these big 
>> ones are fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a 
>> couple 
>> years because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the 
>> clamp 
>> size and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to shim 
>> the 
>> derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats 
>> working. 
>>
>> Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:
>>
>> Build notes:
>> 60cm Tosco's
>> old ass oury grips
>> avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
>> riv silver 2 thumbies 
>> nitto 11cm talux
>> stock fsa headset
>> stock kalloy seatpost
>> imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
>> Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
>> Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
>> 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
>> Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
>> mismatchy monarch pedals
>> XTR M9sumthin FD
>> XTR Rapid Rise RD
>> XT 11-34 cassette
>> one of those blingy gold kmc chains
>>
>> [image: IMG_6619.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6622.jpg]
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Hello from Ireland

[Roberta]

Lovely. With scenery like that I’d b on my bike all day. I think the Appa 
and Homer are complimentary bikes. (I’m the past , owner of both). Both 
fabulous bikes. 
Roberta

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 3:42:33 PM UTC-4 Nicholas A wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> My name's Nick from Dublin, a reformed racer, proud owner of an Appaloosa 
> with an A Homer Hilsen in the pipeline as well. I have a few other bikes in 
> the stable as well, a couple of Mercians namely. One is in bits, and a lot 
> of those bits are on the other. 
>
> Can't say I've seen a lot of Rivs in Ireland but I did chat to a guy on a 
> lovely Quickbeam recently.
>
> When I got the Appaloosa first I had Albatross bars on it but have a 
> stubby stem and 48cm Noodles on there now, I much prefer them. I guess you 
> can take the boy outta the road but you can't take the road outta the boy. 
>
> Anyway, happy to be here, I've been enjoying reading everyone's posts and 
> hope I can contribute something.
>
> Nick
>
> [image: IMG_8523.jpeg]
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Roberta]

Fabulous. I’m glad I got to meet you and the jumbo bike in Philadelphia. 
Happy riding. 
Roberta
Philadelphia 
On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:25:40 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Thanks Johnny!
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember 
>> what the third m stood for... loving the bike!
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Massive mountain mixte!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
 Love it!!!

 On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
 wrote:

> Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
> WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 🙂
> Happy shredding!
> -Kai
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Couple more:
>>
>> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco as 
>>> I settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>>>
>>> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. I 
>>> really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the riv 
>>> mixte 
>>> propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was selling this 
>>> thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't help 
>>> myself. 
>>>
>>> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle spring 
>>> cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter city 
>>> scuzz 
>>> /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some new things 
>>> with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. Just using 
>>> what 
>>> I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>>>
>>> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used 
>>> maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big o' 
>>> meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake 
>>> cables.. 
>>> I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these big 
>>> ones are fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a 
>>> couple 
>>> years because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the 
>>> clamp 
>>> size and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to shim 
>>> the 
>>> derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats 
>>> working. 
>>>
>>> Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:
>>>
>>> Build notes:
>>> 60cm Tosco's
>>> old ass oury grips
>>> avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
>>> riv silver 2 thumbies 
>>> nitto 11cm talux
>>> stock fsa headset
>>> stock kalloy seatpost
>>> imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
>>> Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
>>> Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
>>> 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
>>> Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
>>> mismatchy monarch pedals
>>> XTR M9sumthin FD
>>> XTR Rapid Rise RD
>>> XT 11-34 cassette
>>> one of those blingy gold kmc chains
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6619.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6622.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
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