Re: [RBW] Re: ISO // WTB // blue homer 54.5

[Kim H.]

I tried.

Kim Hetzel.

On Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 10:59 PM Brenton Eastman 
wrote:

> That Facebook post is from Jan 2023 so I gotta assume that bike is gone.
> Also the head tube looks very tall for a 54. Does anyone know if there were
> 700c versions of AHH in 54.5?
>
> On Apr 27, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>
> 
> @Brenton -
> If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue Homer
> under the owner's name of
> *Payton Beargrr*
> 
>
> Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. Unsure
> of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made frame. I am not
> the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build.
> -Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post
> -Brooks saddle
> -Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers
> -Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters
> -Riv Silver double crankset
> -IRD front derailleur
> -Shimano Alivio rear derailleur
> -MKS Grip Monarch pedals
> -mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims
> -Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b
> -Sackville bag
> The only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top tube,
> noted in the pictures.
> $2500 + shipping.
> Let me know if you have any questions.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 8:12:21 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Looking for an AHH in Homer Blue. Not sure if older years came in sizes
>> other than 54.5 but that's about the size I want for my lady. Interested in
>> new or used, frame+fork or complete, or a semi-complete project.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO // WTB // blue homer 54.5

[Brenton Eastman]

That Facebook post is from Jan 2023 so I gotta assume that bike is gone. Also the head tube looks very tall for a 54. Does anyone know if there were 700c versions of AHH in 54.5?On Apr 27, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Kim H.  wrote:@Brenton -If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue Homer under the owner's name of 
Payton Beargrr 
Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. Unsure of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made frame. I am not the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build. -Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post-Brooks saddle-Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers-Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters-Riv Silver double crankset-IRD front derailleur-Shimano Alivio rear derailleur-MKS Grip Monarch pedals-mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims-Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b-Sackville bagThe only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top tube, noted in the pictures. $2500 + shipping. Let me know if you have any questions.Kim Hetzel.



On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 8:12:21 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:Looking for an AHH in Homer Blue. Not sure if older years came in sizes other than 54.5 but that's about the size I want for my lady. Interested in new or used, frame+fork or complete, or a semi-complete project. Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell (Roadini) Geometry

[Brenton Eastman]

Yep. 170 sugino XD2 triple on both bikes. On Apr 27, 2024, at 9:16 PM, Jim in Mpls  wrote:Is your crank length the same on both bikes?On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:On my Hillborne and Roadini I am running brooks B17 almost at the max fwd position. Not sure what to compare it to but both are super comfy. I also have 57cm (both bikes) but I'm 6'1"On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:23:08 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:I've been enjoying my first Riv, a Roadini, since getting it in February.  Just one thing I feel like I'm struggling with, saddle set back.It's a size 57, I'm 5'11 and my PHB meant a 57 or 54 would work.  It came with the setback seat post and that put me really far behind the BB compared to my other bikes, so I got a zero offset post and that helped things, but I'm still running my Brooks C17 pushed 3/4 of the way forward on the rails.  Funny thing is my Salsa Fargo, which has a 73 degree ST angle, vs. 72 on the Roadini, running the same saddle, and less set back (also on a zero offset post).  I can feel the difference when I'm pedaling; on the Fargo, my pedal stroke feels really good.  On the Roadini it feels like the pedals are out in front and I'm over-using posterior chain in an unnatural pedal stroke.  I measure setback on both bikes and the Fargo is coming out as saddle 5.5cm setback from BB, 7cm on the Roadini.Anyone else notice this?  I may try pushing the saddle all the way forward on the rails, then maybe set post up a bit, but wanted to ask this question first.Thanks!



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[RBW] Re: Rivendell (Roadini) Geometry

[Jim in Mpls]

Is your crank length the same on both bikes?

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> On my Hillborne and Roadini I am running brooks B17 almost at the max fwd 
> position. Not sure what to compare it to but both are super comfy. I also 
> have 57cm (both bikes) but I'm 6'1"
>
>
> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:23:08 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>
>> I've been enjoying my first Riv, a Roadini, since getting it in February. 
>>  Just one thing I feel like I'm struggling with, saddle set back.
>>
>> It's a size 57, I'm 5'11 and my PHB meant a 57 or 54 would work.  It came 
>> with the setback seat post and that put me really far behind the BB 
>> compared to my other bikes, so I got a zero offset post and that helped 
>> things, but I'm still running my Brooks C17 pushed 3/4 of the way forward 
>> on the rails.  Funny thing is my Salsa Fargo, which has a 73 degree ST 
>> angle, vs. 72 on the Roadini, running the same saddle, and less set back 
>> (also on a zero offset post).  I can feel the difference when I'm pedaling; 
>> on the Fargo, my pedal stroke feels really good.  On the Roadini it feels 
>> like the pedals are out in front and I'm over-using posterior chain in an 
>> unnatural pedal stroke.  I measure setback on both bikes and the Fargo is 
>> coming out as saddle 5.5cm setback from BB, 7cm on the Roadini.
>>
>> Anyone else notice this?  I may try pushing the saddle all the way 
>> forward on the rails, then maybe set post up a bit, but wanted to ask this 
>> question first.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO // WTB // blue homer 54.5

[Kim H.]

@Brenton -
If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue Homer 
under the owner's name of 
*Payton Beargrr* 

 

Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. Unsure 
of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made frame. I am not 
the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build. 
-Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post
-Brooks saddle
-Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers
-Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters
-Riv Silver double crankset
-IRD front derailleur
-Shimano Alivio rear derailleur
-MKS Grip Monarch pedals
-mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims
-Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b
-Sackville bag
The only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top tube, noted 
in the pictures. 
$2500 + shipping. 
Let me know if you have any questions.

Kim Hetzel.
On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 8:12:21 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looking for an AHH in Homer Blue. Not sure if older years came in sizes 
> other than 54.5 but that's about the size I want for my lady. Interested in 
> new or used, frame+fork or complete, or a semi-complete project. 
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] FS: parts clear out (wheel sets, bags, stems, brakes...)

[Logan Eiland]

Hi all. To make an upcoming move easier, I'm hoping to clear out all parts
and accessories not currently in use. Open to offers especially if bundling
multiple items. Prices do not include shipping from zip code 48103.

Link to photos


   1. 700c Velocity A23 singlespeed wheelset, White Industries 18t
   freewheel, & Ultradynamico 700x42 Cava tires. Bought all this new. Wheels,
   freewheel, and tires ridden under 1 mile. $450.
   2. 650b Velocity Dyad wheelset, Deore hubs, Col de la Vie tires. In
   great shape. Ridden fewer than 5 miles. $275.
   3. Set of Velo Orange wing nuts. $35.
   4. Velo Orange 1x crankset, 40t chainring, 165mm crank arm length. $90.
   5. Rivendell Baggins handlebar bag. $35.
   6. One pair of blue Swift Industries panniers. Never used. Small grease
   marks on the front of one bag. No stains or signs of use on the inside.
   $120.
   7. Acorn rando bag. $80.
   8. Brooks saddle with brass rivets and silver rails. $75.
   9. Gilles Berthoud Aspin saddle. $165.
   10. Black Sim Works bar end plugs. $15.
   11. MKS Sylvan Gordito pedals. $35.
   12. Bruce Gordon stem. $65.
   13. Ritchey Force stem. $30.
   14. Nitto faceplater stem. $65.
   15. Shimano SL-BS77 bar end shifters. Never used, still in the box. $90.
   16. Busch-muller IQ-XS front dynamo light. $80.
   17. Nitto NR21 rear rack. $90.
   18. Salsa Casseroll canti mount front rack. $65.
   19. Ocean Air Cycles x Nitto Erlen rear rack. $80.
   20. Dia Compe long reach center pull brakes. Unused. $80.
   21. Gran Compe center pull brakes. Unused. $110.
   22. Shimano Deore 9s rear derailleur. $25.
   23. Dia Compe BRS 100 short reach brakes. $30.
   24. Shimano V-brakes. bolts missing. free with purchase of anything else.
   25. TRP CX 8.4 V-brakes. $55.
   26. S-Ride 11s rear derailleur. $10.
   27. Hsin Lung stem and mustache bar (from 1993 Bridgestone XO-3). $40.
   28. Velo Orange Randonneur handlebar. $15.

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[RBW] ISO // WTB // blue homer 54.5

[Brenton Eastman]

Looking for an AHH in Homer Blue. Not sure if older years came in sizes 
other than 54.5 but that's about the size I want for my lady. Interested in 
new or used, frame+fork or complete, or a semi-complete project. 

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell (Roadini) Geometry

[Brenton Eastman]

On my Hillborne and Roadini I am running brooks B17 almost at the max fwd 
position. Not sure what to compare it to but both are super comfy. I also 
have 57cm (both bikes) but I'm 6'1"


On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:23:08 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:

> I've been enjoying my first Riv, a Roadini, since getting it in February. 
>  Just one thing I feel like I'm struggling with, saddle set back.
>
> It's a size 57, I'm 5'11 and my PHB meant a 57 or 54 would work.  It came 
> with the setback seat post and that put me really far behind the BB 
> compared to my other bikes, so I got a zero offset post and that helped 
> things, but I'm still running my Brooks C17 pushed 3/4 of the way forward 
> on the rails.  Funny thing is my Salsa Fargo, which has a 73 degree ST 
> angle, vs. 72 on the Roadini, running the same saddle, and less set back 
> (also on a zero offset post).  I can feel the difference when I'm pedaling; 
> on the Fargo, my pedal stroke feels really good.  On the Roadini it feels 
> like the pedals are out in front and I'm over-using posterior chain in an 
> unnatural pedal stroke.  I measure setback on both bikes and the Fargo is 
> coming out as saddle 5.5cm setback from BB, 7cm on the Roadini.
>
> Anyone else notice this?  I may try pushing the saddle all the way forward 
> on the rails, then maybe set post up a bit, but wanted to ask this question 
> first.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Rivendell (Roadini) Geometry

[Jay]

I've been enjoying my first Riv, a Roadini, since getting it in February. 
 Just one thing I feel like I'm struggling with, saddle set back.

It's a size 57, I'm 5'11 and my PHB meant a 57 or 54 would work.  It came 
with the setback seat post and that put me really far behind the BB 
compared to my other bikes, so I got a zero offset post and that helped 
things, but I'm still running my Brooks C17 pushed 3/4 of the way forward 
on the rails.  Funny thing is my Salsa Fargo, which has a 73 degree ST 
angle, vs. 72 on the Roadini, running the same saddle, and less set back 
(also on a zero offset post).  I can feel the difference when I'm pedaling; 
on the Fargo, my pedal stroke feels really good.  On the Roadini it feels 
like the pedals are out in front and I'm over-using posterior chain in an 
unnatural pedal stroke.  I measure setback on both bikes and the Fargo is 
coming out as saddle 5.5cm setback from BB, 7cm on the Roadini.

Anyone else notice this?  I may try pushing the saddle all the way forward 
on the rails, then maybe set post up a bit, but wanted to ask this question 
first.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Jim M.]

Quickbeam came with 40/32 chainrings. The fork ends were long enough to 
cover the 8-t difference.

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 11:42:41 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:40 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ... With horizontals or track ends and a good steel internal cam QR you 
>> could have yourself a very good time without the need for a lousy (and FWIW 
>> considerably less that I paid for my TF hub). A  44 X 17/20/24 would give 
>> you 70", 60", and 50", a good spread with relatively unobtrusive hardware 
>> and bulk.
>>
>
> Well, not quite, as you'd need very long dropouts/track ends indeed to 
> accommodate 7 teeth: almost a good *usable* Inch of axle travel -- usable 
> travel is not at all the same as theoretical travel. And as for a chain 
> tensioner: with a single rear cog and 3 rings your tensioner would not have 
> to move laterally as the chain was shifted, while 2 or 3 cogs would require 
> chain tensioner re-alignment. So I've argued myself into agreeing with the 
> 3X1 idea. Only, the ideal system for 3 wide ratio gears is the IGH.
>

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[RBW] Re: Jimmy's Hunq!!1

[J J]

Thanks Eric and Jim! Will's blog post was the first I saw of the full paint 
job and the build. Up to yesterday afternoon I had only seen a few low res 
teaser images, so I've been soaking in Will's fantastic photos. I'm blown 
away by the care and detail of Rick's paint job. I had told Rick that I 
hope he has fun with the bike, and it feels like he did. And Antonio did 
such a clean, lovely build. Thanks Antonio! I can't wait to see the bike in 
person. And to ride it!

@Jim, the blue ring around the pump peg really got me, too, as did the 
lining around the top and bottom of the head tube and the little circle 
cutouts in the fork crown. Incredible detail and beyond what I was 
expecting.

@Eric, thanks for the kind words. I can see the deep rusty pink tones now 
that you mention it. Like I said in the writeup, copper is super tricky. 
There are so many colors posing as copper! You've got a great eye about the 
lime 
green Newbaum's with amber shellac. I went back and forth on tape and Will 
urged the lime. I'm stoked about how it turned out. 

This project has been a long time in the making. Everyone I worked with, 
directly and indirectly — Rick on the paint, Rich on the wheels, Will and 
the entire Rivendell crew on everything else — was super welcoming, 
accessible, and engaging. And they made the entire process a lot of fun, 
which above all is what bikes should be about as far as I'm concerned. 

Jim

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 1:55:46 PM UTC-4 Jim in Mpls wrote:

> The blue ring around the pump peg really pushed me over the edge! Amazing 
> detailing!
> Jim
>
> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 11:26:50 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Oh me. Oh my. Wowee wee wow wow! The Hunq from this week's email update 
>> is a real stunner. Will's photos, as usual, really bring it to life. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/jimmys-hunqapillar?mc_cid=a24d941b71&mc_eid=592b20cfa2
>>
>> [image: jimmyshunq-1_1400x copy.png]
>>
>> Many of you know that I'm a fan of patinated copper and brass. Even so 
>> the colors didn't register to me as being from the family of weathered 
>> brass, copper or bronze. It looks like a deep rusty pink to my eye. I love 
>> it all the same! From Jimmy's description it sounds like he and painted 
>> Rick at D&D went back and forth to divine a great paint selection. Well 
>> done, I must say. 
>>
>> The blue cable housing and lug lines, the bar tape. An awesome blend of 
>> XTR. I'd wager that's the lime green Newbaum's with amber shellac, a bold 
>> choice indeed that achieves a nice bronzed olive. Beautiful all around. 
>> This bike looks like a blast. 
>>
>> [image: jimmyshunq-12_1400x copy.png]
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Patrick Moore]

On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:40 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... With horizontals or track ends and a good steel internal cam QR you
> could have yourself a very good time without the need for a lousy (and FWIW
> considerably less that I paid for my TF hub). A  44 X 17/20/24 would give
> you 70", 60", and 50", a good spread with relatively unobtrusive hardware
> and bulk.
>

Well, not quite, as you'd need very long dropouts/track ends indeed to
accommodate 7 teeth: almost a good *usable* Inch of axle travel -- usable
travel is not at all the same as theoretical travel. And as for a chain
tensioner: with a single rear cog and 3 rings your tensioner would not have
to move laterally as the chain was shifted, while 2 or 3 cogs would require
chain tensioner re-alignment. So I've argued myself into agreeing with the
3X1 idea. Only, the ideal system for 3 wide ratio gears is the IGH.

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[RBW] Re: Jimmy's Hunq!!1

[Jim in Mpls]

The blue ring around the pump peg really pushed me over the edge! Amazing 
detailing!
Jim

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 11:26:50 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh me. Oh my. Wowee wee wow wow! The Hunq from this week's email update is 
> a real stunner. Will's photos, as usual, really bring it to life. 
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/jimmys-hunqapillar?mc_cid=a24d941b71&mc_eid=592b20cfa2
>
> [image: jimmyshunq-1_1400x copy.png]
>
> Many of you know that I'm a fan of patinated copper and brass. Even so the 
> colors didn't register to me as being from the family of weathered brass, 
> copper or bronze. It looks like a deep rusty pink to my eye. I love it all 
> the same! From Jimmy's description it sounds like he and painted Rick at 
> D&D went back and forth to divine a great paint selection. Well done, I 
> must say. 
>
> The blue cable housing and lug lines, the bar tape. An awesome blend of 
> XTR. I'd wager that's the lime green Newbaum's with amber shellac, a bold 
> choice indeed that achieves a nice bronzed olive. Beautiful all around. 
> This bike looks like a blast. 
>
> [image: jimmyshunq-12_1400x copy.png]
>
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Patrick Moore]

We had a similar conversation back in February and, among the topic
discussed was, why 3X1 instead of 1X3? Bill pointed out that commercially
available 3 speed fws of good quality with huge tooth gaps are hard to
find, whereas anyone can find a triple crank.

But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing
effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in
front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without
a IGH.

Question: I've never followed BMX, but IIRC I've read of 2-speed BMX
freehubs; was that really a thing? If so, perhaps that would be the ideal
low-cog-count/big-ratio-jump system. And then there are those packages of
spacers and ss HG-freehub-compatible kits that allow you to use just 1 --
or a few -- cogs on your 7-8-9-etc.-speed freehub.

Long ago I asked Phil Wood & Co. if they'd build me a fixed hub that would
accept 3 sprockets. They replied, "Sure! Figure on about $400" -- this in
circa 2000 dollars which per the DoL Inflation Calculator is ~$740 in 2024
monopoly money. With horizontals or track ends and a good steel internal
cam QR you could have yourself a very good time without the need for a
lousy (and FWIW considerably less that I paid for my TF hub). A  44 X
17/20/24 would give you 70", 60", and 50", a good spread with relatively
unobtrusive hardware and bulk.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 700c wheelset (135mm rear) for Homer

[Robert Calton]

Found a good deal on a pair of Atlas/WI wheels. Thanks all for the feedback 
and offers and I look forward to posting the new build next month :) 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:42:54 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Maybe?
>
> Several years back I sold a Complete Toyo Atlantis to a neighbor.  I sold 
> the whole bike for $1900 and now looking at it through a 2024 lens, I gave 
> it away.  I reached out to my neighbor to see if he'd sell it back.  My 
> neighbor indicated he lives overseas for now, and that he sold the frame 
> set for $1400 a while back. The build kit is still in his garage, around 
> the corner from me.  I've asked him to sell me back the build kit, and I'm 
> awaiting his response on that.  If I procure that build kit, the wheel set 
> would be sensational on a 700c Hilsen.  Nothing is assured quite yet.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:11:36 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Excited to assemble my upcoming Homer (first Riv!), but Velocity is 
>> backordered on the Atlas rims and it might be a month or more until I could 
>> get a pair. I'm curious if anyone here might have a wheelset for sale that 
>> would fit. 
>>
>> I plan on using 43mm tires and Paul centerpull brakes, 8sp Shimano 
>> cassette, would need a 135mm rear spacing. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Bike build day: Atlantis w/ Bullmoose & '81 Trek 510 Jean-Luc Picard

[Edwin W]

Both bikes look AMAAAZING.
We have to figure out a ride together!

Edwin

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:24:18 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Put the Bullmoose on the Atlantis & I'm loving them. They really fit my 
> short torso/long arms on the Atlantis. I have the stem maxed out in the 
> photo for posterity's sake in case anyone in the future needs a reference. 
> It's a 61cm Atlantis (Toyo) with an 81cm saddle height (center of bb to top 
> of saddle). Also, serious thanks to member JJ for the sagely advice, quick 
> shipping, & friendliness. 
> [image: IMG_5528.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5527.jpg]
>
> Also built up my old Trek 510 with some things I had laying around & some 
> parts I was missing from the Soma sale. I did a homemade paint job on it 
> and used an old Captain Picard keychain for the headbadge. Had the 
> cantilever bosses and a few other things added to it a while ago. 650x42s 
> in there now but it could probably clear a 48. 
> [image: IMG_5529.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5530.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5531.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike build day: Atlantis w/ Bullmoose & '81 Trek 510 Jean-Luc Picard

[Teague Scott]

Haven't heard of an old Trek frame potentially fitting 48s... what year is 
this 510? I have an '83 614 frame hanging up in the shed, waiting for a 
650b conversion. From what I've read it'll fit 42s & fenders, but only with 
dimpling.

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 12:15:03 PM UTC-6 exliontamer wrote:

> No clear coating over the paint but it's a smart idea. I'm guessing you 
> may have seen it but the vintage Trek site is a gem. It's usually easy to 
> narrow down the year by geometry, tubing, and components since they did a 
> lot of switching up. http://www.vintage-trek.com/TrekBrochures.htm
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:00:20 AM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing your 'technique' with the Trek. I hadn't thought of 
>> using a paint pen for detailing - though it makes perfect sense. 
>> Wondering if you clear coated over the paint to finish it up? 
>>
>> BTW, I'm now keeping my eye open for a 510 or 710 (or similar) and I'm 
>> placing the blame on your Picard Special!!!
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 5:55:30 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> I had a blast doing this and happy to share anything! Definitely not 
>>> making Joe Bell or CycleArt break a sweat. The base is just a plain British 
>>> racing green. The rest is me just being semi-patient with fine tip water 
>>> based acrylic paint markers. I went for different colors on the fork blades 
>>> and stays, had those meet on the headtube & seattube, & let them all fade 
>>> into each other on the top tube and downtube. I want to do something 
>>> similar with a proper pro-powdercoated bike (and a little more patience) at 
>>> some point. 
>>> These old Treks from this era (the 510 & 710 specifically) are one of my 
>>> favorite designed bikes of all time. Even before the 650b conversion it 
>>> cleared 32s easily (may have fit 35s/never tried). You can pick these up 
>>> for a silly good price usually too and they're so common in the Midwest it 
>>> seems like they were giving them away. 
>>> [image: IMG_5532.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5533.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5534.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5535.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_5536.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:09:57 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>>>
 It looks like you had some fun with your resto-mod Captain Picard 
 Special - love it! 

 You are inspiring my N+1 daydreams.  I've done a few old bike 
 restorations over the years - all with rattle can resprays.  Would you 
 mind 
 adding some fuel to my fantasies and share the details of your paint job?

 Steve in AVL
 On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:24:18 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> Put the Bullmoose on the Atlantis & I'm loving them. They really fit 
> my short torso/long arms on the Atlantis. I have the stem maxed out in 
> the 
> photo for posterity's sake in case anyone in the future needs a 
> reference. 
> It's a 61cm Atlantis (Toyo) with an 81cm saddle height (center of bb to 
> top 
> of saddle). Also, serious thanks to member JJ for the sagely advice, 
> quick 
> shipping, & friendliness. 
> [image: IMG_5528.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5527.jpg]
>
> Also built up my old Trek 510 with some things I had laying around & 
> some parts I was missing from the Soma sale. I did a homemade paint job 
> on 
> it and used an old Captain Picard keychain for the headbadge. Had the 
> cantilever bosses and a few other things added to it a while ago. 650x42s 
> in there now but it could probably clear a 48. 
> [image: IMG_5529.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5530.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5531.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

With your 7402 "tensioner" you could run a tiny short cable, such that 
twisting the barrel adjuster pulls it from the 17 to the 19.  I run that 
setup on a different bike.  

I'm summiting mount Diablo once a month, and I'm plotting which month this 
summer I ride my 3x1 Romulus.  Maybe July.  

BL in EC

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

Nice Paul wheels!  Good luck with it

BL in EC

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 6:47:18 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> A gentleman never tells (of his relationship to certain Rivendell 
> employees, nor his local bike shop with a Rivendell account).
>
> Quietly confident I’ll be able to get one in my size now, tho…
>
> Hopefully even color choice, too. 
>
> I even picked up the wheelset I needed while up in the bay.
>
> I think that means I have most of what I need to build version 1.0.
>
> Let’s see…
>
> [image: IMG_6571]
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 5:43 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> It’s funny because they just released more details including a “probable” 
> pre sale in June. A month or two back they announced the lugged Susie 
> presale. The next day there was a guy on Instagram riding his lugged 
> Susie!! Had to be a prototype or sample, right?
>
> I really want to “commit” but need is not part of the equation. Resisting 
> in Toledo may be futile.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 8:25 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Committing to yourself is the first step.  Stating it on the RBW Group is 
> legally and morally binding, also, so that's step two.  If you wanted to 
> get really committed, email Will and see if Will is able to take your 
> money, or if Will already knows you, you may be able to convince him to 
> agree to hold one for you in your size.  He may tell you to wait until they 
> are ready to do a pre-sale.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:02:01 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I said: “I’m getting one!”
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W  wrote:
>>
>> Brilliant Bill.
>>
>> And good reference/inspiration.
>>
>> I tried out an Uno on Monday.
>>
>> And committed to a 57 for myself!
>>
>> I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.
>>
>> Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for 
>> sure tho!
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
>> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
>> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
>> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
>> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
>> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
>> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
>> Campy Part" club:
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>>
>> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a 
>> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
>> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
>> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
>> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
>> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
>> with these tires.  
>>
>> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as 
>> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo 
>> summit on the RoadTrio.  
>>
>> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 
>> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Bilenkey Tandem 4 Sale

[Michael Hechmer]

*The Basics:*

   - Custom, Large, Coupled, Touring Tandem
   - Brazed Steel, Powder Coated English Racing Green
   - Dimensions:
  - Head Tube - 10.5” / 26.5 C
  - Top Tubes - 22.5/57 & 30.5/77.5
  - Seat Tubes - 22.75 / 58  & 17.75/45.5
   - Wheels - White Ind. Hubs & DaVinci V22 Rims  26” with 36 spokes
   - Crank - DaVinci with TA Zypher rings; 48/38/26
   - Casette 9 speed - Shimano Ultegra 12 -32
   - Deraillers - IRD Alpina & Shimano Ultegra
   - Shifters - Shimano Bar End Indexed/Friction
   - Brakes - Paul’s Neo-Retro with Tectro Levers, braise-ons for drum brake
   - Head Set - Chris King, Stem - Nitto
   - Bars - Nitto Noodle & Nitto Albatross
   - Seat Posts Nitto & Cane Creek Thudbuster
   - Tires Panaracer
   - Chains - Connex
   - Kick Stand - Two legs
   - Front & Rear Touring Racks - Nitto, powder coated to match the frame.
   - Fenders - Velo Orange 
   - Saddle & Pedals not included


*Also Available*

   - Two Hard Shell Suitcases
   - Yakima Sidewinder car top carrier


*The Pictures*

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oG7HOIlGKhAR1


*The Performance:*

This is a large touring tandem built for strength and stability under 
weight.  It rides beautifully with or without load and is comfortable on 
both dirt and paved surfaces  It is outfitted with top flight equipment 
that will not fail you.  The rear top tube is quite long which affords the 
stoker a more spacious cockpit.  The stays are long enough to accomodate 
large paniers without interfering with the stoker’s heels.  The design 
point was for 2”tires with fenders but currently fitted with 1.75 (1.5 
actual) tires, which is all we could get the last time we replaced them.  
The cranks have three pedal drillings to accomodate a range of leg lengths.


*The Deal:*

$2500 picked up at our home in Westford, VT.  or shipped at cost


Michael

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Johnny Alien]

The Dream bar was the classic standard drop bar made for Rivendell by 
Nitto. If I remember correctly its what they offered prior to the Noodle. 
It was sold along with the Noodle bar for a bit before they just dropped it 
because the Noodle was the drop they would suggest over all others. 

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:32:41 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Thanks for the clarification.  My posts weren't meant to be adversarial, 
> just pedantic.  I came into Riv via EcoVelo ~2010, and I didn't own my 
> first Riv until 2013, so the "Soba" predates me, and I thought that y'all 
> were using it colloquially for "So Bar"--the marketing content from Sim 
> Works makes references to literal soba noodles.  I'm curious if the 
> contemporary "So Bar" is inspired by the "Soba".
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 12:48 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> The Simworks So Bar is a handlebar that resembles a Nitto Noodle but in a 
>> wide width that was made in the late 2010s and early 2020s
>>
>> The Nitto Soba Noodle is a completely different handlebar that was made 
>> by Nitto and offered by Rivendell in the mid to late 2000s 
>>
>> Do not conflate the two.  This thread and WTB is focused on the Nitto 
>> Soba Noodle -NOT- the Simworks So Bar. 
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:40:48 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the So Bar came out in the fall of 2018.  Here's the intro from 
>>> Sim Works:
>>>
>>> https://sim-works.com/en/news/ramen-nope-i-take-so-bar
>>>
>>> They also appear to have a sleeve.  But I've never owned the So Bar, so 
>>> I don't know what the production model was like in practice.  I had a 50 cm 
>>> Rando Bar from Velo Orange that I really liked at the time the So Bar was 
>>> released, and that's why I didn't buy it, but I love 50 cm + drop bars.
>>>
>>> It seems as though there is plans for a new iteration of the So Bar.  
>>> Sim Works USA wrote, "These were a very popular bar that we've temporarily 
>>> discontinued while we make some changes to a new version."
>>>
>>> I'm a bit of a Noodle/drop bar connoisseur myself.  I currently in use 
>>> the Crust Nullabar on my Monstercross, Sim Works Wild Honey on my Lightning 
>>> Bolt, and Ritchey Corralitos on my Hunqapillar.  I wish the Fairweather All 
>>> Road 174 AA bar was offered in a wider size, but my criticism of the 54 cm 
>>> Noodle is that it lost the back sweep that enjoyed in the Noodle as it got 
>>> wider.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fair winds,
>>>
>>> Captain Conway Bennett
>>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 PM Conway Bennett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
 listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
 was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
 offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
 centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
 regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate 
 the 
 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm 
 ones 
 off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
 my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
 Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.

 On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell 
> them.  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  
> That's 
> my advice.  ;)
>
> BL in EC
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Conway Bennett]

Bill,

Thanks for the clarification.  My posts weren't meant to be adversarial,
just pedantic.  I came into Riv via EcoVelo ~2010, and I didn't own my
first Riv until 2013, so the "Soba" predates me, and I thought that y'all
were using it colloquially for "So Bar"--the marketing content from Sim
Works makes references to literal soba noodles.  I'm curious if the
contemporary "So Bar" is inspired by the "Soba".


Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett
239.877.4119

On Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 12:48 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The Simworks So Bar is a handlebar that resembles a Nitto Noodle but in a
> wide width that was made in the late 2010s and early 2020s
>
> The Nitto Soba Noodle is a completely different handlebar that was made by
> Nitto and offered by Rivendell in the mid to late 2000s
>
> Do not conflate the two.  This thread and WTB is focused on the Nitto Soba
> Noodle -NOT- the Simworks So Bar.
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:40:48 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I think the So Bar came out in the fall of 2018.  Here's the intro from
>> Sim Works:
>>
>> https://sim-works.com/en/news/ramen-nope-i-take-so-bar
>>
>> They also appear to have a sleeve.  But I've never owned the So Bar, so I
>> don't know what the production model was like in practice.  I had a 50 cm
>> Rando Bar from Velo Orange that I really liked at the time the So Bar was
>> released, and that's why I didn't buy it, but I love 50 cm + drop bars.
>>
>> It seems as though there is plans for a new iteration of the So Bar.  Sim
>> Works USA wrote, "These were a very popular bar that we've temporarily
>> discontinued while we make some changes to a new version."
>>
>> I'm a bit of a Noodle/drop bar connoisseur myself.  I currently in use
>> the Crust Nullabar on my Monstercross, Sim Works Wild Honey on my Lightning
>> Bolt, and Ritchey Corralitos on my Hunqapillar.  I wish the Fairweather All
>> Road 174 AA bar was offered in a wider size, but my criticism of the 54 cm
>> Noodle is that it lost the back sweep that enjoyed in the Noodle as it got
>> wider.
>>
>>
>> Fair winds,
>>
>> Captain Conway Bennett
>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 PM Conway Bennett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are
>>> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding
>>> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm
>>> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54
>>> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv
>>> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the
>>> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather
>>> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones
>>> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be
>>> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the
>>> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell
 them.  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's
 my advice.  ;)

 BL in EC

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Igor]

Retro-Gression sells both the Noodle (Which is the M177) and the Dream 
(M176). Both, per the description, are designed by Rivendell, and I notice 
that the M176 is 26mm clamp, has a 140mm drop/90mm reach - is this the Soba 
or something 
else? https://www.retro-gression.com/products/nitto-m176-dream-handlebar 

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 1:48:11 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The Simworks So Bar is a handlebar that resembles a Nitto Noodle but in a 
> wide width that was made in the late 2010s and early 2020s
>
> The Nitto Soba Noodle is a completely different handlebar that was made by 
> Nitto and offered by Rivendell in the mid to late 2000s 
>
> Do not conflate the two.  This thread and WTB is focused on the Nitto Soba 
> Noodle -NOT- the Simworks So Bar. 
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:40:48 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think the So Bar came out in the fall of 2018.  Here's the intro from 
>> Sim Works:
>>
>> https://sim-works.com/en/news/ramen-nope-i-take-so-bar
>>
>> They also appear to have a sleeve.  But I've never owned the So Bar, so I 
>> don't know what the production model was like in practice.  I had a 50 cm 
>> Rando Bar from Velo Orange that I really liked at the time the So Bar was 
>> released, and that's why I didn't buy it, but I love 50 cm + drop bars.
>>
>> It seems as though there is plans for a new iteration of the So Bar.  Sim 
>> Works USA wrote, "These were a very popular bar that we've temporarily 
>> discontinued while we make some changes to a new version."
>>
>> I'm a bit of a Noodle/drop bar connoisseur myself.  I currently in use 
>> the Crust Nullabar on my Monstercross, Sim Works Wild Honey on my Lightning 
>> Bolt, and Ritchey Corralitos on my Hunqapillar.  I wish the Fairweather All 
>> Road 174 AA bar was offered in a wider size, but my criticism of the 54 cm 
>> Noodle is that it lost the back sweep that enjoyed in the Noodle as it got 
>> wider.
>>
>>
>> Fair winds,
>>
>> Captain Conway Bennett
>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 PM Conway Bennett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
>>> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
>>> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
>>> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
>>> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
>>> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
>>> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
>>> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
>>> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
>>> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
>>> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell 
 them.  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's 
 my advice.  ;)

 BL in EC

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