Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

I wanted to get my 3x1 up Diablo before all you 3x1 RoadUno riders have the 
chance!

Today I finished my 6th summit of Mount Diablo, on my 6th different bike. 
 I've summited Mount Diablo every month of 2024 (so far).  
This time it was on the RoadTrio, my version of a RoadUno 3x1 build.  In 
the last few shots I've been rounding out the 3x8 sport touring 
configuration.  Part of the rear end set up was to enable a quick change, 
and I did the quick change against the clock last night.  In under 5 
minutes I had it switched from 3x8 to 3x1.  I had also switched out the 
crankset to a very slightly different gear range: a 94mm BCD Ritchey 
crankset let me run 22/34/46 rings, instead of the 24/36/46 of the 110 BCD 
Ritchey crankset that had been there.  Whether that difference was critical 
for my ride today is debatable.  What is certain is that the 22x18, 31-inch 
gear was welcome.  

Even though I only had to shift like 5 times all day, this front end 
shifting is totally liquid, and while riding each gear rode silently like a 
single speed.  The White Industries ENO freewheel may be the best sounding 
freewheel ever (among freewheels that make a sound).  

I picked this day for my June summit because the temperatures swung low 
after our first hot-snap.  It was low 50s to mid 60s all morning, and maybe 
peeked into the 70s in the lowlands of Walnut Creek.  I took BART from home 
to the shadow of Mount Diablo, cutting the mileage down to ~52 miles and 
4950 ft of climbing.  The Romulus climbed and descended like an absolute 
champ.  I am extremely proud of my rack/bag/fender integration, and the 
handling even with a front load was great.  I was shocked at how well my 
knobby 700x26 Gravel Kings rode.  By looking at them it would be natural to 
assume they'd stink, but they were great.  After my summit I swung by Riv 
HQ and got the Will stamp of approval.   

Pics prove it:
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303336/in/dateposted/
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778627464/in/album-72177720313832831/
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303561/in/dateposted/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:36:15 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a wide-range 
> triple up front. "
>
> If you build one of each and offer the comparative ride report, I'll be 
> pleased to read it.  I still have the gear chart in front of me the last 
> time Patrick Moore offered the theory that three gears in the back is 
> objectively superior to three gears in the front.  That gear chart has a 
> 36T ring with a 14/18/27.  I built a three cog freewheel and ran it on a 
> 120mm O.L.D. hub, but not with a derailleur.  Usually (and I expect now) 
> Patrick Moore will say how he is philosophically opposed to a tensioner of 
> any kind and prefers long horizontal drop outs and a QR skewer for manual 
> gear choosing.  
>
> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  A nice 120mm 
> O.L.D. frame with a 1x5 drivetrain, friction shifted with a modest rear 
> derailleur would do all these things.  Don't be surprised a drivetrain of 
> that kind pops out of my workshop in the next 3-6 months as well.  I 
> encourage Ted and Patrick to build their ideas also.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
>> effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
>> front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without 
>> a IGH.
>>
>>
>>  Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the space with 
>> spacers.
>>
>> Bill's 46-36-24 is jumps of 25% (46-36) and 41% (36-24). An equivalent 
>> 25% jump in back would be 15-19 (24%), 16-21 (27%), 17-22 (26%), 18-23 
>> (25%). An equivalent 41% jump in back would be 16-24 (41%), 17-25 (39%), 
>>  17-26 (42%), 18-27 (41%), 19-28 (39%), 19-29 (42%), 20-30 (41%), 21-31 
>> (39%), 21-32 (42%),  ...
>>
>> A very close equivalent to the 46-36-24 in front would be 15-19-28 in 
>> back. Pair that with a 44T chainring and you'd have 42-63-79 gear inches on 
>> 700x32C tires. At 22t of required chain wrap, take your pick of any rear 
>> derailer. I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a 
>> wide-range triple up front. Combine it with a compatible index shifter and 
>> you'll have a nice 3-speed externally geared hub. 
>>
>> If you were so inclined. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Kim H.]

@Valerie,

I thank you for sharing your information with me. It's nice to learn
something new.

Kim Hetzel.

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 2:49 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> My Clem H from the first/2016 batch that came complete had wheels with
> CLEM hubs.
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have not seen before the word "CLEM" on the center of a stock wheel
> before.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:20 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
> 45cm Clem H, $1300 in Los Angeles:
>
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45cm/7754606850.html
>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Valerie Yates]

My Clem H from the first/2016 batch that came complete had wheels with CLEM 
hubs. 

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

I have not seen before the word "CLEM" on the center of a stock wheel 
before. 

Kim Hetzel. 

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:20 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:

45cm Clem H, $1300 in Los Angeles: 

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45cm/7754606850.html


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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Kim H.]

I have not seen before the word "CLEM" on the center of a stock wheel
before.

Kim Hetzel.

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:20 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:

> 45cm Clem H, $1300 in Los Angeles:
>
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45cm/7754606850.html
>
> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 2:57:45 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Ah, thanks for the update. Hopefully went to a Riv list member.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 8:39:14 AM UTC-6 milesh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> John Watson's Instagram suggests that Hunq has been sold to someone in
>>> NM. I thought I recognized that. Sorry y'all.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 11:58:15 AM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 I wrote them but never heard back. Very frustrating.


 On May 29, 2024, at 9:56 AM, Hoch in ut  wrote:


 Has anyone been able to get a response from the person selling the 58cm
 Hunqapillar? I’ve messaged several times but no response. As appears to be
 still up.
 On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 10:58:48 AM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Damn. That’s my size and I’ve always wanted one in that color.
>
> But I committed to a Roaduno and funds are tight…
>
> What to do!?
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 9:36 AM, Hans Erickson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> 58cm Hunqapillar ($1,250) on Albuquerque CL. Not mine, and too big for
> me.
>
>
> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/bik/d/albuquerque-hunqapillar/7749163041.html
>
> -Hans in Albuquerque
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-6 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Nice 58cm bullmoose'd Nitto racked mustard Homer in Modesto ($2300):
>>
>>
>> https://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/d/modesto-rivendell-homer-hilson/7748616636.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] DIY build or order complete?

[Corwin Zechar]

I have been paying $200 for (three) Riv Builds for more than fifteen years 
now. I think $200 for a great build is an exceptional value. Could I do it 
myself? Sure. But Riv doing the build saves me lots of time (and 
aggravation, when I discover I need some small part, lube, tool, etc.) And 
I never forget - the people at Riv all need to eat, go to the doctor, put a 
roof over their heads, etc.

Keeping good organizations in business is very important.

Regards,


Corwin
On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 5:34:23 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> If you've got a shop that will charge you for a Tune Up, and then give you 
> a full frame-up assembly, that's a nice deal to find.  $100 is about right 
> for a Tune Up.  Do you think they are really going to get the build done in 
> under 2 hours?  Or do you think you're getting a good discount on their 
> time?  Rivendell's build-service that is more like a "Tune Up" is the $150 
> job they charge for completes.  Your shop's $100 vs Riv's $150 sounds like 
> more of an Apples to Apples comp...  If your shop knows what they are 
> getting into when they quoted you $100, then I'm guessing something about 
> your particular situation has the shop thinking the build is going to be 
> super quick.  Like maybe your frame set is used and not new, and so there's 
> zero prep and thread chasing involved.  Or maybe the BB and headset are 
> already in there and don't have to be touched.  Or the cockpit is in a 
> single piece already and/or there is no handlebar tape to wrap.  You've 
> already implied they won't be touching the wheels because you bought new 
> handbuilt wheels which are presumably perfecto.  At any rate, I'll stick to 
> calling BS to the assertion that Riv is charging $300 for exactly the same 
> service that normal bike shops would do for $100 or less.  If it's a 3-4 
> hour build, it should cost 3-4 hours worth of labor.  If it's a 90 minute 
> build, then $100 should cover it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 3:08:17 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> My husband-and-wife run LIBS is building my one and only bike (a Homer) 
>> from parts and charging me $100 for it, the price they charge for a full 
>> tune-up. They also charge $60/hour for a la carte services, as you point 
>> out. I am happy to recommend them to anyone in the Boston metro. They 
>> tastefully rehab older steel frames with new[er] parts and sell them for 
>> $200-$400; they only sell steel frame bikes and operate out of a used car 
>> lot's garage. Their inventory is like 3 new Surlys and maybe an All-State 
>> or two. The rest are rehabs and they are absolute professionals about 
>> everything they do. Mine isn't the first Riv they've built from parts 
>> either. Perhaps the bike shops around you are a bit less affordable or have 
>> to charge more to account for higher overhead, etc.  
>>
>> I'm not saying that Riv is *gouging*, I'm stating facts that there are 
>> more affordable places to buy the exact same parts and more affordable 
>> shops to build a bike. That is no way a slight on Riv, it's  just facts. 
>> That said, I'm glad they promote and make a great margin on those 
>> good-cheap parts and builds because I'm grateful for what that has allowed 
>> them to do for bicycling as a whole. I appreciate their bikes and ethos, or 
>> else I wouldn't be on this forum. 
>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> "Your LIBS can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 
>>> charge"
>>>
>>> I'm going to call BS on this.  I sincerely doubt that there is a bike 
>>> shop on earth, with a mechanic experienced-enough that I'd want them 
>>> building my bike, who would quote under $100 for a frame-up bike assembly, 
>>> when I've bought none of the parts from them and didn't buy the frame from 
>>> them.  It's a 3-4 hour job.  Any mechanic worth their salt is billing $1 a 
>>> minute for the shop to keep the lights on.  
>>>
>>> There are bargains to be had out there, to be sure.  If you luck-out and 
>>> find wheels on sale, good job.  If you know how to find used parts for 
>>> cheap, terrific.  The existence of cheap used parts does not make Rivendell 
>>> a price gouger, though.  It's especially ungenerous to imply that, 
>>> particularly when Rivendell is unique in their praise and promotion of 
>>> good-cheap parts (like the Acera rear mech).  That's my opinion.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:26:21 AM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>
 I'd order the parts and then have your local independent bike shop 
 assemble it, because ordering everything yourself is going to save you a 
 considerable amount of money if you want the *exact* same parts build 
 that Riv would put on. If you decide you want to spend the same amount of 
 money as a Riv build package, you'll get *much* better parts. Your 
 LIBS can likely assemble for ~$100 or less 

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[jamin orrall]

58 Toyo atlantis on ebay (not mine)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/395455780126?itmmeta=01HZWSSTZ2CVQBDRNAJ6B96XZ3=item5c1300551e:g:K-0AAOSwThhmY5KH=enc%3AAQAJ4HDq6zrDqOO0lEoRFf%2F70cX541BZRvsxovTTGLkLfXOmDkWRDMnBcS1ovbWatr2EIwoMYT8Un%2BojSTR6kJV%2F6q9SkDvImzEqqY0%2BFdiAxivhugp89zUgJK1EUYj9F8eHsYP4zW6aJKxZchc7rEMpwIUuU6pqb6IUrsBFJ2pwwlrnQmpliFk1oT24jcspu3l3x4DyrptPeptyuZwlHmFEJBvcDCIXnJm%2Fl1YhF6ajXx5MeSlUqM20%2BFsOEydw%2Fj32G7jzozBN8hua%2BbI%2FFuYoSRJorJZWjw89SVwnffOPAlZI%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8yv55n_Yw

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 12:20:44 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> 45cm Clem H, $1300 in Los Angeles: 
>
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45cm/7754606850.html
>
> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 2:57:45 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Ah, thanks for the update. Hopefully went to a Riv list member. 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 8:39:14 AM UTC-6 milesh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> John Watson's Instagram suggests that Hunq has been sold to someone in 
>>> NM. I thought I recognized that. Sorry y'all.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 11:58:15 AM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 I wrote them but never heard back. Very frustrating.


 On May 29, 2024, at 9:56 AM, Hoch in ut  wrote:


 Has anyone been able to get a response from the person selling the 58cm 
 Hunqapillar? I’ve messaged several times but no response. As appears to be 
 still up. 
 On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 10:58:48 AM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Damn. That’s my size and I’ve always wanted one in that color.
>
> But I committed to a Roaduno and funds are tight…
>
> What to do!?
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 9:36 AM, Hans Erickson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> 58cm Hunqapillar ($1,250) on Albuquerque CL. Not mine, and too big for 
> me.
>
>
> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/bik/d/albuquerque-hunqapillar/7749163041.html
>
> -Hans in Albuquerque
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-6 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Nice 58cm bullmoose'd Nitto racked mustard Homer in Modesto ($2300): 
>>
>>
>> https://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/d/modesto-rivendell-homer-hilson/7748616636.html
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Chris Halasz]

45cm Clem H, $1300 in Los Angeles: 

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45cm/7754606850.html

On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 2:57:45 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Ah, thanks for the update. Hopefully went to a Riv list member. 
>
> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 8:39:14 AM UTC-6 milesh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> John Watson's Instagram suggests that Hunq has been sold to someone in 
>> NM. I thought I recognized that. Sorry y'all.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 11:58:15 AM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> I wrote them but never heard back. Very frustrating.
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2024, at 9:56 AM, Hoch in ut  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone been able to get a response from the person selling the 58cm 
>>> Hunqapillar? I’ve messaged several times but no response. As appears to be 
>>> still up. 
>>> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 10:58:48 AM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Damn. That’s my size and I’ve always wanted one in that color.

 But I committed to a Roaduno and funds are tight…

 What to do!?

 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~




 On May 24, 2024, at 9:36 AM, Hans Erickson  wrote:

 

 58cm Hunqapillar ($1,250) on Albuquerque CL. Not mine, and too big for 
 me.


 https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/bik/d/albuquerque-hunqapillar/7749163041.html

 -Hans in Albuquerque

 On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-6 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Nice 58cm bullmoose'd Nitto racked mustard Homer in Modesto ($2300): 
>
>
> https://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/d/modesto-rivendell-homer-hilson/7748616636.html
>
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[RBW] Re: Last Susie fit question (with photos!) & a second Riv Gus?!

[Armand Kizirian]

Difference in reach between the two models is only 1.5cm, you can adjust 
for it with stem length without an issue in the age of 80-135mm. I wouldn't 
trust any opinion on fit based on the photos you've provided, especially 
since your feet are floating. :D Only you know best. 

Your PBH is within range for both sizes. It all depends what kind of fit 
you prefer, being "on" the bike (smaller size, more playful/nimble) or "in" 
the bike (larger size, more stable and relaxed). 

[image: Screenshot 2024-06-08 111731.png]
On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:14:43 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

>
> That's going to be hard to tell without riding.  Based on my own 
> experience and preferences, I'd guess you'll want to stretch out a little 
> more.  Either longer stem or less sweep on the bars.  Completely 
> speculation though.
>
> I'm a chronic cockpit tinkerer, and mess with bars and stem on at least 
> two of my bikes every year.  I've noticed one un-scientific constant every 
> time I get a setup feeling close to ideal:  if I draw an imaginary line 
> between my hands (where they grip the bar), and sight through that line 
> while riding, the bead from my eyes will almost exactly  intersect the axis 
> of the front hub.  I don't know what the connection is or why it always 
> turns out this way, but assume it has to do with weighting and stabilizing 
> the steering adequately.   It looks to me like you would be sighting behind 
> the axle as currently mocked up? 
>
>  Good news is that that that bike doesn't look too small.  In case you 
> were still worried you got the wrong size.
>
> Regarding a second:  I'd never try to talk someone out of a second riv.  
> But keep in mind that the susie is very different from other rivendell 
> models.I think the lowered bb height of yours will help, compared to my 
> first run orange one, but bet its still quite different.  My AR, Ram, 
> Saluki, QB and Clem - though mostly older models - all have a 
> characteristic Riv "feel".  My Susie is completely different.  I'd consider 
> getting a different model for variety's sake.
> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:54:24 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ok, just wanted a final opinion. 
>>
>> Here is the 50cm Susie I took delivery of. I've mocked this up with 26" 
>> Cliffhangers (I didn't have 27.5 rim brake set on hand), Ortho bars, 100mm 
>> Nitto stem, Brooks saddle. Saddle height is about 64/65cm and my PBH is 
>> about 78. 
>>
>> How does this fit look? Specifically, reach. 
>>
>> Without properly riding it, my first impression was that it felt ok-ish. 
>> Hard to tell without actually going for a ride. Didn't feel too stretched 
>> out and not really cramped either. 
>>
>> To throw another wrench in things, I have an opportunity to pickup a used 
>> 54cm Gus frame. Do I need to have a second Riv right now? No! But, we all 
>> know how bikes go. If anything, my partner could probably ride either frame 
>> so, it wouldn't be a lost cause. 
>> Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to have 2 Rivs!! 
>>
>> Using the photos of me on the 50cm Susie, do you think a 54cm Gus would 
>> be too large? 
>>
>> Thanks y'all! 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Last Susie fit question (with photos!) & a second Riv Gus?!

[iamkeith]

That's going to be hard to tell without riding.  Based on my own experience 
and preferences, I'd guess you'll want to stretch out a little more.  
Either longer stem or less sweep on the bars.  Completely speculation 
though.

I'm a chronic cockpit tinkerer, and mess with bars and stem on at least two 
of my bikes every year.  I've noticed one un-scientific constant every time 
I get a setup feeling close to ideal:  if I draw an imaginary line between 
my hands (where they grip the bar), and sight through that line while 
riding, the bead from my eyes will almost exactly  intersect the axis of 
the front hub.  I don't know what the connection is or why it always turns 
out this way, but assume it has to do with weighting and stabilizing the 
steering adequately.   It looks to me like you would be sighting behind the 
axle as currently mocked up? 

 Good news is that that that bike doesn't look too small.  In case you were 
still worried you got the wrong size.

Regarding a second:  I'd never try to talk someone out of a second riv.  
But keep in mind that the susie is very different from other rivendell 
models.I think the lowered bb height of yours will help, compared to my 
first run orange one, but bet its still quite different.  My AR, Ram, 
Saluki, QB and Clem - though mostly older models - all have a 
characteristic Riv "feel".  My Susie is completely different.  I'd consider 
getting a different model for variety's sake.
On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:54:24 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ok, just wanted a final opinion. 
>
> Here is the 50cm Susie I took delivery of. I've mocked this up with 26" 
> Cliffhangers (I didn't have 27.5 rim brake set on hand), Ortho bars, 100mm 
> Nitto stem, Brooks saddle. Saddle height is about 64/65cm and my PBH is 
> about 78. 
>
> How does this fit look? Specifically, reach. 
>
> Without properly riding it, my first impression was that it felt ok-ish. 
> Hard to tell without actually going for a ride. Didn't feel too stretched 
> out and not really cramped either. 
>
> To throw another wrench in things, I have an opportunity to pickup a used 
> 54cm Gus frame. Do I need to have a second Riv right now? No! But, we all 
> know how bikes go. If anything, my partner could probably ride either frame 
> so, it wouldn't be a lost cause. 
> Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to have 2 Rivs!! 
>
> Using the photos of me on the 50cm Susie, do you think a 54cm Gus would be 
> too large? 
>
> Thanks y'all! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: UP Michigan

[Steve]

State Road 119 from Harbor Springs to Cross Village. 

For the full "western shore" experience,.at Cross Village continue north on 
North Lake Shore Drive to Sturgeon Bay Beach where the road runs between 
sand dunes and the beach before finally turning east.

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:31:54 AM UTC-4 Bernard Duhon wrote:

> My geography was off
> Tunnel of trees road is near Harbor Spings Mi
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB SCAMMER ALERT - gran09861@gmail

[Jerry Lynn]

"On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 at 15:11, gran  wrote:

Hello Jerry,

I came across your ads in the RBW Owners Bunch group, are you still looking 
to buy a Toyo Atlantis 56-58cm/26?
Thank you"


Attempted to sell me a frameset that was already sold
On Saturday 8 June 2024 at 07:02:40 UTC-7 mgst...@gmail.com wrote:

> One small thing about playing with scammers (my 'best' one was a long 
> correspondence with an Airbnb-er who sent me a check to deposit and send 
> him back the overage)...was another guy who I got so angry, he tried to 
> hack my gmail account (but failed). So...be careful out there! And on a 
> rare day, I have a tiny bit of compassion for them, especially as I've 
> recently found out that many of the overseas hacker/scammers are doing it 
> under threats and coercion. 
>
> Ron in Western Mass
>
> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 5:41:25 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Same over here. I actually had some fun with it, but hoping no one 
>> actually took the bait. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-7 Daniel wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, same here.
>>> Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 2:43:34 AM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Gran wrote to a lot of us, it seems. Thanks for the heads up. 

 On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 8:45:07 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Yup, 'gran' contacted me as well, and the first thing I did was to 
> check here for previous activity. Seemed rather persistent. Thanks for 
> the 
> heads-up Jim.
>
> Cheers, Joh
>
> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 7:31:14 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Yep, gran wrote me too:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:42 PM gran  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I came across your ads in the RBW Owners Bunch group, are you still 
>> looking to buy an Acorn Trunk Bag?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] WTB SCAMMER ALERT - gran09861@gmail

[mgst...@gmail.com]

One small thing about playing with scammers (my 'best' one was a long 
correspondence with an Airbnb-er who sent me a check to deposit and send 
him back the overage)...was another guy who I got so angry, he tried to 
hack my gmail account (but failed). So...be careful out there! And on a 
rare day, I have a tiny bit of compassion for them, especially as I've 
recently found out that many of the overseas hacker/scammers are doing it 
under threats and coercion. 

Ron in Western Mass

On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 5:41:25 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:

> Same over here. I actually had some fun with it, but hoping no one 
> actually took the bait. 
>
> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 10:42:18 AM UTC-7 Daniel wrote:
>
>> Yep, same here.
>> Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 2:43:34 AM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Gran wrote to a lot of us, it seems. Thanks for the heads up. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 8:45:07 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Yup, 'gran' contacted me as well, and the first thing I did was to 
 check here for previous activity. Seemed rather persistent. Thanks for the 
 heads-up Jim.

 Cheers, Joh

 On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 7:31:14 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Yep, gran wrote me too:
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:42 PM gran  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I came across your ads in the RBW Owners Bunch group, are you still 
> looking to buy an Acorn Trunk Bag?
>
> Thank you
>
>
>

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[RBW] UP Michigan

[Bernard Duhon]

My geography was off
Tunnel of trees road is near Harbor Spings Mi

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