[RBW] Re: Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Bill Lindsay]

Roberta

With the information given so far, there is one big "gotcha".  What clamp 
diameter do you need?  There are no fewer than five possibilities for what 
you need, and Paul Thumbies only are made in two of those five sizes.  Can 
you share a photo of your bike?  

The five possible sizes are:

22.2mm
23.8mm
25.4mm
26.0mm
31.8mm

Do you have albatross bars?  Or drop bars?  Albastache?  

If you have Albatross bars, those take a 22.2mm clamp, and Paul Thumbies 
can go "anywhere" along those bars.  Also, many of the complete shifters 
folks have recommended would also fit because they all have 22.2mm clamps. 
 Drop bars and Albastache will want 23.8mm clamps which is trickier.  If 
you want to clamp on the sleeve near the stem, you may need 25.4mm or 
26.0mm, which no longer are made in Paul Thumbies (but they used to be). 
 31.8mm is the clamp diameter for modern drop bars on the bulge near the 
stem.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 4:04:46 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that work 
> fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of me 
> knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on a 
> wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes, 
> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the 
> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie 
> 
>  
> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent 
> is 
> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters 
> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>
> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some 
> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know 
> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm 
> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.  
>
> Thanks for the input. 
>
> Roberta
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Michael Baquerizo]

others mileage may vary, but i recently started using a set of microshift 
thumbies on a new to me bike.

i also have shimano on another bike (as you have) and silver! on another. 
all set up friction.

of the three, the microshift has felt the best. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124833117848?epid=9024683600&itmmeta=01J1V7F30B9KENRB255JF84DAW&hash=item1d10a23698:g:X2EAAOSwk8pmO9yC&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJ4NcfUZomssn1t7VI%2Fpf%2BBKOv24CsVKs3Fj%2FzcrSCP3qzd2wrvDOpTNYN4ZDRwgW1oCvrMn7UYZ%2FNJWI2Sq8Hoe6IUuCa5s1b3mxiqab38P7ZICw30vNdRH%2FpGEKJbFfYPVfModc%2Fztu9pUge5ErDdmyqFKcAZa4e3D3cbUm%2Flyewy4IFcgSZ%2F8WjV%2Bw1M6Zit%2Bb61dPHzd1spElNNX6ubNhEPf2ZWqfNmA5xAohvxNwAd%2Fj91TZe1fM7JApHtpIHj9fac7AY5e1B2CYWtS1Q4PvTZJSnxbr88vUvZg5jH45p%7Ctkp%3ABFBMjrG8545k

at their price, it would be cheaper to just get a set of them, and retire 
your shimano, or switch those to another bike (if necessary) or just parts 
bin them.

not what you asked, but owning paul thumb mounts, i would rather just buy 
these. they look pretty too. 

On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 9:43:21 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> What a great group. Sally, love the purple and the Platy. I have a Platy 
> too. 
>
> Thanks for the note on the Riv mounts. I’ll ask bike shop to look at them 
> too. 
>
> Yes, I’m just looking to move the placement not change the friction 
> shifting.   
>
> I’ll be retiring soon and have been wanting to do this for a while.   I 
> might as well do it now.
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 9:24:11 PM UTC-4 dros...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the Paul thing is just the pod to which your mount the shifter. It 
>> doesn’t include the actual shift mechanism. I swapped the pod on my Uno 
>> shifter and it was easy but I had to modify it a bit to make it work. I 
>> think you’re looking for a part that you can have mounted at a bike shop. 
>> I’m unaware of a pod other than the Paul component pod. They make great 
>> stuff if you can stomach the price. If not, I’d go with something like this:
>>
>> https://www.microshift.com/us/models/sl-t09/
>>
>> Can you post a photo of your shifters? 
>>
>> If you have the Rivendell silver shifters, Rivendell sells a bar mount 
>> conversion  
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk
>>
>>
>> Send a pic and I’ll be able to give you a better idea. 
>>
>> Unless they’re Dura Ace thumb shifters, it’s probably not with spending 
>> that much to mount them to the bars versus just replacing the whole 
>> shifter. 
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:25 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> Dross,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the speedie reply.
>>>
>>> 8 speed? 9?  Dunno.  I'm not looking to replace the shifters, just move 
>>> them to a thumbie mount.  Do you think they meant replacing the shifters?  
>>> This is the web page they sent me:  
>>> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/
>>>   
>>> Would moving the shifters to a thumbie mount change their fantastic and 
>>> smooth as butta' shifting?
>>>
>>> I'm sorta like Leah, bicycle bell ding ding...  I just like to get on 
>>> and ride. I know to pump air in my tires and lube the chain.   I just know 
>>> I don't like the placement of the current shifter.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 7:08:07 PM UTC-4 dros...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 What speed are you running? The problem with the Paul mount is that you 
 can get a new shifter for less money. I have one of the blingy Uno 
 shifters 
 but I also have two bikes with Microshift and it works just as well. There 
 isn’t too much you can do to engineer a significantly better friction 
 shifter which is one of the great things about friction shifters. 

 On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:04 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that 
> work fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because 
> of 
> me knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned 
> on 
> a wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone 
> Bikes, 
> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that 
> the 
> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie 
> 
>  
> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent 
> is 
> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both 
> shifters 
> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>
> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some 
> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't 
> know 
> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and 
> I'm 
> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once. 
>  
>
> Thanks for the input. 
>
> Roberta
>
>
> -- 
>>

[RBW] To Chris with the Betty Foy

[Nick A.]

I took a ride on a local route called the "Arlington Loop" earlier this 
week, and saw three (!) Rivendells out there while on my Atlantis.

The last person I saw was at the exit of a park here in Falls Church, and 
she was stopped with her Betty Foy (the first I've ever seen IRL!). She was 
a very nice woman named Chris, and if she's out there, I wanted to just say 
thanks for chatting about bikes on a beautiful day.

Hope everyone's doing well out there.
Nick in Falls Church VA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 54-56 Sam Hillborne (i think? my first riv!) but open to other Rivs

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jacob,

I my size and weight correspond to yours. For ten years, I have owned both 
a Homer and a Sam. 
The Sam is set up for light touring (under 7 days, but mostly 2-3 day 
tours). It also acts as a grocery-getter when I feel inclined. 
The Homer is currently outfitted for county road riding, including 
"unpavement". 
Both bikes sport VO fenders with 38mm tires + - so you can easily go wider 
if you wish to go without fenders. Both bikes are "pre-long chain stay" 
design, but nonetheless are probably close enough to what you will buy new, 
if that is your choice. 
I can tell you that the Sam will suit your needs just fine. While the Homer 
has a slightly more lively feel, it could possibly do light and credit card 
touring, but would limit you for longer tours loaded with gear. You 
obviously - like me - enjoy the esthetics of a bike, so either of these 
would offer that treat too. I hope you report back here often with the same 
enthusiasm you've shared above.
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 8:58:34 PM UTC-4 jyos...@gmail.com wrote:

I have admired Rivendell bikes since I first saw a homer parked outside of 
my local food co op

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Re: [RBW] JP Weigle Raleigh Competition 650B Conversion

[Alberto Robador]

Hey Tom, beautiful machine, I just emailed you!

On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 2:53:26 AM UTC+2 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oops, small correction: I see these are all photos you took, Tom. I am 
> fairly certain Peter posted some of this project which I have saved. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 8:51:20 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Oh, this one hurts. A JPW Competition in my size. I have such a soft spot 
>> for these and love each and every old Raleigh that Peter has rat-rodded 
>> out. I can't swing it at the moment but dear lord oh me oh my it's 
>> beautiful and has all the modifications one could dream of! 
>>
>> You better believe I already had the photos you shared from Peter's 
>> flickr account already saved to my reference folder.
>>
>> Best of luck with the sale! Someone needs to get this built up and out on 
>> the road
>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4 thomas.all...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill Lindsay helpfully points out that I buried the size information on 
>>> this bike.  It’s either a 58cm or a 59cm, and when I get back to my shop I 
>>> can provide precise measurements for anyone who’s interested.  Sorry for 
>>> the unhelpful omission.
>>>
>>> On Jun 30, 2024, at 10:00 AM, Tom Allingham  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Never mind -- they seem to be working now.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 9:43:38 AM UTC-4 Tom Allingham wrote:
>>>
 All:

 Not much in the way of direct Rivendell content (the seatpost came from 
 Riv), but I hope Jim will indulge me, because this is an unusual 
 opportunity that the list may be very interested in.  And apologies for 
 the 
 long post, but for those who are interested, it’ll be worth it.

 Almost 12 years ago, when I was very interested (at least in the 
 abstract) in randonneuring, I travelled to Peter Weigle’s lovely shop in 
 Connecticut and purchased a JPW-reimagined 650B conversion of a Raleigh 
 Competition.  Peter has done a few of these extensive conversions over the 
 years, and the reviews on Flickr by their owners are incredibly 
 enthusiastic.  My example is gorgeous — a deep maroon with gold pin 
 striping by Peter, and contrasting blue paint on the lugs.  The details 
 are 
 stunning.  Here are a few pics of the bike in Peter’s shop and mocked up 
 after the conversion:

 [image: 8432741668_2029bea99a_b.jpg]

 Raleigh, modified by JPW as 650B randonneur 
 flic.kr 
 
 [image: 27169754834_fd53471644_b.jpg]

 JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
 flic.kr 
 
 [image: 27681087122_f24371ae1c_b.jpg]

 JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
 flic.kr 
 

 The frameset came with installed headset, perfectly fitted fluted 
 fenders, Mafac brakes, JPW custom front rack and taillight, and pump.  On 
 Flickr, Peter described the many steps in the conversion process for this 
 bike this way:

















 *“I want these conversions to be special, and there are many things 
 that happen in the process. Here's a short list.First of all each frame is 
 inspected to make sure everything seems ok.Frame geometry is measured, 
 forks are re-raked to obtain the desired trail.The frame is milled and 
 faced, the crown race is turned down to fit standard headsets.Frame is 
 checked for alignment, this will be repeated as the bridges are installed, 
 and one more time as a final check.Bridges are cut out and new ones placed 
 in the proper location for 650b fender lines.Chainstays are manipulated to 
 increase clearance for 42 mm tires.Cantilever bosses are added and cable 
 hangers modified as needed.Brake cable guides are removed and are replaced 
 on the other side of the tube from their stock location to "sweeten" up 
 the 
 brake cable routing. Water bottle, shift lever, pump mounts and tail light 
 mounts are brazed on.On this frame the forks were modified to accept a 
 dyno 
 wire inside.A custom front rack is made, fenders are reshaped and 
 installed.A custom tail light needs to be fashioned, and a pump modified 
 to 
 fit.Mafac cantilevers are cleaned up, polished and a set of Kool Stop pads 
 are installed.The frame is bead blasted, primed, painted, lug lined, box 
 striped, decals are applied, clear coats applied, baked, and then hand 
 rubbed.Frame Saver is applied and a headset is installed, then I have to 
 take the photos for all to see.**”*

 On Flickr, our group member Bill Lindsay commented on this bike: 

 *“JPW in one word, Varsity — almost everybody els

Re: [RBW] Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[David Ross]

Yeah, the Paul thing is just the pod to which your mount the shifter. It
doesn’t include the actual shift mechanism. I swapped the pod on my Uno
shifter and it was easy but I had to modify it a bit to make it work. I
think you’re looking for a part that you can have mounted at a bike shop.
I’m unaware of a pod other than the Paul component pod. They make great
stuff if you can stomach the price. If not, I’d go with something like this:

https://www.microshift.com/us/models/sl-t09/

Can you post a photo of your shifters?

If you have the Rivendell silver shifters, Rivendell sells a bar mount
conversion

https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk


Send a pic and I’ll be able to give you a better idea.

Unless they’re Dura Ace thumb shifters, it’s probably not with spending
that much to mount them to the bars versus just replacing the whole
shifter.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:25 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Dross,
>
> Thanks for the speedie reply.
>
> 8 speed? 9?  Dunno.  I'm not looking to replace the shifters, just move
> them to a thumbie mount.  Do you think they meant replacing the shifters?
> This is the web page they sent me:
> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/
> Would moving the shifters to a thumbie mount change their fantastic and
> smooth as butta' shifting?
>
> I'm sorta like Leah, bicycle bell ding ding...  I just like to get on and
> ride. I know to pump air in my tires and lube the chain.   I just know I
> don't like the placement of the current shifter.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 7:08:07 PM UTC-4 dros...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What speed are you running? The problem with the Paul mount is that you
>> can get a new shifter for less money. I have one of the blingy Uno shifters
>> but I also have two bikes with Microshift and it works just as well. There
>> isn’t too much you can do to engineer a significantly better friction
>> shifter which is one of the great things about friction shifters.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:04 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that
>>> work fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of
>>> me knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on
>>> a wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes,
>>> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the
>>> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie
>>> 
>>> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent
>>> is
>>> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters
>>> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>>>
>>> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some
>>> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know
>>> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm
>>> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Will Boericke]

I may (will?) get hate mail for this, but there is an AliExpress knockoff 
of the thumbie mount that is reasonably-priced.  
(Ducking head to avoid thrown tomatoes).

Will near Boston
On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 9:09:51 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:

> Hi Roberta,
>
> I hesitate to chime in due to my embarrassing ignorance compared to the 
> vast majority of Riv owners; however, my great LBS just changed me over to 
> friction shifting for the Platypus with a Paul Thumbie and a Dura-Ace 
> shifter. So much smoother!! And more purple, too:)
>
> Good Luck with your decision!
> Sally
>
> [image: Dura-Ace Shifter.jpg]
> [image: Thumbie and Shifter.jpg]
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 5:07 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> Roberta,
>> The Rivendell Silver thumb shifter mounts seem to be Shimano compatible. 
>> Here is the link: https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 7:04:46 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that 
>>> work fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of 
>>> me knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on 
>>> a wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes, 
>>> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the 
>>> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent 
>>> is 
>>> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters 
>>> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>>>
>>> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some 
>>> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know 
>>> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm 
>>> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.  
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input. 
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] JP Weigle Raleigh Competition 650B Conversion

[Eric Marth]

Oops, small correction: I see these are all photos you took, Tom. I am 
fairly certain Peter posted some of this project which I have saved. 

On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 8:51:20 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Oh, this one hurts. A JPW Competition in my size. I have such a soft spot 
> for these and love each and every old Raleigh that Peter has rat-rodded 
> out. I can't swing it at the moment but dear lord oh me oh my it's 
> beautiful and has all the modifications one could dream of! 
>
> You better believe I already had the photos you shared from Peter's flickr 
> account already saved to my reference folder.
>
> Best of luck with the sale! Someone needs to get this built up and out on 
> the road
> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4 thomas.all...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Bill Lindsay helpfully points out that I buried the size information on 
>> this bike.  It’s either a 58cm or a 59cm, and when I get back to my shop I 
>> can provide precise measurements for anyone who’s interested.  Sorry for 
>> the unhelpful omission.
>>
>> On Jun 30, 2024, at 10:00 AM, Tom Allingham  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Never mind -- they seem to be working now.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 9:43:38 AM UTC-4 Tom Allingham wrote:
>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not much in the way of direct Rivendell content (the seatpost came from 
>>> Riv), but I hope Jim will indulge me, because this is an unusual 
>>> opportunity that the list may be very interested in.  And apologies for the 
>>> long post, but for those who are interested, it’ll be worth it.
>>>
>>> Almost 12 years ago, when I was very interested (at least in the 
>>> abstract) in randonneuring, I travelled to Peter Weigle’s lovely shop in 
>>> Connecticut and purchased a JPW-reimagined 650B conversion of a Raleigh 
>>> Competition.  Peter has done a few of these extensive conversions over the 
>>> years, and the reviews on Flickr by their owners are incredibly 
>>> enthusiastic.  My example is gorgeous — a deep maroon with gold pin 
>>> striping by Peter, and contrasting blue paint on the lugs.  The details are 
>>> stunning.  Here are a few pics of the bike in Peter’s shop and mocked up 
>>> after the conversion:
>>>
>>> [image: 8432741668_2029bea99a_b.jpg]
>>>
>>> Raleigh, modified by JPW as 650B randonneur 
>>> flic.kr 
>>> 
>>> [image: 27169754834_fd53471644_b.jpg]
>>>
>>> JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
>>> flic.kr 
>>> 
>>> [image: 27681087122_f24371ae1c_b.jpg]
>>>
>>> JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
>>> flic.kr 
>>> 
>>>
>>> The frameset came with installed headset, perfectly fitted fluted 
>>> fenders, Mafac brakes, JPW custom front rack and taillight, and pump.  On 
>>> Flickr, Peter described the many steps in the conversion process for this 
>>> bike this way:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *“I want these conversions to be special, and there are many things that 
>>> happen in the process. Here's a short list.First of all each frame is 
>>> inspected to make sure everything seems ok.Frame geometry is measured, 
>>> forks are re-raked to obtain the desired trail.The frame is milled and 
>>> faced, the crown race is turned down to fit standard headsets.Frame is 
>>> checked for alignment, this will be repeated as the bridges are installed, 
>>> and one more time as a final check.Bridges are cut out and new ones placed 
>>> in the proper location for 650b fender lines.Chainstays are manipulated to 
>>> increase clearance for 42 mm tires.Cantilever bosses are added and cable 
>>> hangers modified as needed.Brake cable guides are removed and are replaced 
>>> on the other side of the tube from their stock location to "sweeten" up the 
>>> brake cable routing. Water bottle, shift lever, pump mounts and tail light 
>>> mounts are brazed on.On this frame the forks were modified to accept a dyno 
>>> wire inside.A custom front rack is made, fenders are reshaped and 
>>> installed.A custom tail light needs to be fashioned, and a pump modified to 
>>> fit.Mafac cantilevers are cleaned up, polished and a set of Kool Stop pads 
>>> are installed.The frame is bead blasted, primed, painted, lug lined, box 
>>> striped, decals are applied, clear coats applied, baked, and then hand 
>>> rubbed.Frame Saver is applied and a headset is installed, then I have to 
>>> take the photos for all to see.**”*
>>>
>>> On Flickr, our group member Bill Lindsay commented on this bike: 
>>>
>>> *“JPW in one word, Varsity — almost everybody else, in two words, Junior 
>>> Varsity.”*
>>>
>>> I immediately began planning to finish the build.  I built a dyno wheel 
>>> set (SON front hub, Compass Cycles rear, with VO rims) with 42mm Grand Bois 
>>> Hetres, installed a BB (I think it’s a Phil Wood), Rene H

Re: [RBW] JP Weigle Raleigh Competition 650B Conversion

[Eric Marth]

Oh, this one hurts. A JPW Competition in my size. I have such a soft spot 
for these and love each and every old Raleigh that Peter has rat-rodded 
out. I can't swing it at the moment but dear lord oh me oh my it's 
beautiful and has all the modifications one could dream of! 

You better believe I already had the photos you shared from Peter's flickr 
account already saved to my reference folder.

Best of luck with the sale! Someone needs to get this built up and out on 
the road
On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4 thomas.all...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bill Lindsay helpfully points out that I buried the size information on 
> this bike.  It’s either a 58cm or a 59cm, and when I get back to my shop I 
> can provide precise measurements for anyone who’s interested.  Sorry for 
> the unhelpful omission.
>
> On Jun 30, 2024, at 10:00 AM, Tom Allingham  
> wrote:
>
> Never mind -- they seem to be working now.
>
> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 9:43:38 AM UTC-4 Tom Allingham wrote:
>
>> All:
>>
>> Not much in the way of direct Rivendell content (the seatpost came from 
>> Riv), but I hope Jim will indulge me, because this is an unusual 
>> opportunity that the list may be very interested in.  And apologies for the 
>> long post, but for those who are interested, it’ll be worth it.
>>
>> Almost 12 years ago, when I was very interested (at least in the 
>> abstract) in randonneuring, I travelled to Peter Weigle’s lovely shop in 
>> Connecticut and purchased a JPW-reimagined 650B conversion of a Raleigh 
>> Competition.  Peter has done a few of these extensive conversions over the 
>> years, and the reviews on Flickr by their owners are incredibly 
>> enthusiastic.  My example is gorgeous — a deep maroon with gold pin 
>> striping by Peter, and contrasting blue paint on the lugs.  The details are 
>> stunning.  Here are a few pics of the bike in Peter’s shop and mocked up 
>> after the conversion:
>>
>> [image: 8432741668_2029bea99a_b.jpg]
>>
>> Raleigh, modified by JPW as 650B randonneur 
>> flic.kr 
>> 
>> [image: 27169754834_fd53471644_b.jpg]
>>
>> JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
>> flic.kr 
>> 
>> [image: 27681087122_f24371ae1c_b.jpg]
>>
>> JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
>> flic.kr 
>> 
>>
>> The frameset came with installed headset, perfectly fitted fluted 
>> fenders, Mafac brakes, JPW custom front rack and taillight, and pump.  On 
>> Flickr, Peter described the many steps in the conversion process for this 
>> bike this way:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *“I want these conversions to be special, and there are many things that 
>> happen in the process. Here's a short list.First of all each frame is 
>> inspected to make sure everything seems ok.Frame geometry is measured, 
>> forks are re-raked to obtain the desired trail.The frame is milled and 
>> faced, the crown race is turned down to fit standard headsets.Frame is 
>> checked for alignment, this will be repeated as the bridges are installed, 
>> and one more time as a final check.Bridges are cut out and new ones placed 
>> in the proper location for 650b fender lines.Chainstays are manipulated to 
>> increase clearance for 42 mm tires.Cantilever bosses are added and cable 
>> hangers modified as needed.Brake cable guides are removed and are replaced 
>> on the other side of the tube from their stock location to "sweeten" up the 
>> brake cable routing. Water bottle, shift lever, pump mounts and tail light 
>> mounts are brazed on.On this frame the forks were modified to accept a dyno 
>> wire inside.A custom front rack is made, fenders are reshaped and 
>> installed.A custom tail light needs to be fashioned, and a pump modified to 
>> fit.Mafac cantilevers are cleaned up, polished and a set of Kool Stop pads 
>> are installed.The frame is bead blasted, primed, painted, lug lined, box 
>> striped, decals are applied, clear coats applied, baked, and then hand 
>> rubbed.Frame Saver is applied and a headset is installed, then I have to 
>> take the photos for all to see.**”*
>>
>> On Flickr, our group member Bill Lindsay commented on this bike: 
>>
>> *“JPW in one word, Varsity — almost everybody else, in two words, Junior 
>> Varsity.”*
>>
>> I immediately began planning to finish the build.  I built a dyno wheel 
>> set (SON front hub, Compass Cycles rear, with VO rims) with 42mm Grand Bois 
>> Hetres, installed a BB (I think it’s a Phil Wood), Rene Herse crankset, 
>> Nitto stem with Rene Herse decaleur, Nitto lugged seatpost, and beautiful 
>> NOS Ideale saddle.  I set aside a tall Berthoud Handlebar Bag, and 
>> collected a Campy groupset and (at Peter’s recommendation) a set of Huret 
>> Jubilee derailleurs and shifters.  And then life intervened, and now (more 
>> t

[RBW] Re: Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Doug H.]

Roberta,
The Rivendell Silver thumb shifter mounts seem to be Shimano compatible. 
Here is the link: https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk
Doug

On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 7:04:46 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that work 
> fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of me 
> knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on a 
> wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes, 
> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the 
> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie 
> 
>  
> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent 
> is 
> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters 
> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>
> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some 
> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know 
> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm 
> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.  
>
> Thanks for the input. 
>
> Roberta
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Gordon Stam]

I mounted Rivendell Thumbies on the stem of my Clem. Maybe not universally
appealing but it's an option. And not particularly cheap, but what is these
days.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024, 5:25 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Dross,
>
> Thanks for the speedie reply.
>
> 8 speed? 9?  Dunno.  I'm not looking to replace the shifters, just move
> them to a thumbie mount.  Do you think they meant replacing the shifters?
> This is the web page they sent me:
> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/
> Would moving the shifters to a thumbie mount change their fantastic and
> smooth as butta' shifting?
>
> I'm sorta like Leah, bicycle bell ding ding...  I just like to get on and
> ride. I know to pump air in my tires and lube the chain.   I just know I
> don't like the placement of the current shifter.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 7:08:07 PM UTC-4 dros...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What speed are you running? The problem with the Paul mount is that you
>> can get a new shifter for less money. I have one of the blingy Uno shifters
>> but I also have two bikes with Microshift and it works just as well. There
>> isn’t too much you can do to engineer a significantly better friction
>> shifter which is one of the great things about friction shifters.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:04 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that
>>> work fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of
>>> me knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on
>>> a wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes,
>>> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the
>>> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie
>>> 
>>> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent
>>> is
>>> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters
>>> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>>>
>>> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some
>>> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know
>>> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm
>>> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Roberta]

Dross,

Thanks for the speedie reply.

8 speed? 9?  Dunno.  I'm not looking to replace the shifters, just move 
them to a thumbie mount.  Do you think they meant replacing the shifters?  
This is the web page they sent me:  
https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/  
Would moving the shifters to a thumbie mount change their fantastic and 
smooth as butta' shifting?

I'm sorta like Leah, bicycle bell ding ding...  I just like to get on and 
ride. I know to pump air in my tires and lube the chain.   I just know I 
don't like the placement of the current shifter.

Roberta

On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 7:08:07 PM UTC-4 dros...@gmail.com wrote:

> What speed are you running? The problem with the Paul mount is that you 
> can get a new shifter for less money. I have one of the blingy Uno shifters 
> but I also have two bikes with Microshift and it works just as well. There 
> isn’t too much you can do to engineer a significantly better friction 
> shifter which is one of the great things about friction shifters. 
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:04 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that work 
>> fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of me 
>> knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on a 
>> wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes, 
>> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the 
>> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie 
>> 
>>  
>> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent 
>> is 
>> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters 
>> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>>
>> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some 
>> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know 
>> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm 
>> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.  
>>
>> Thanks for the input. 
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 54-56 Sam Hillborne (i think? my first riv!) but open to other Rivs

[Roberta]

It's very exciting especially when the anticipation is high and the 
resulting bike is even better.

Analog Cycles in VT may have some built up.  I think Maine Bike Works is 
also a dealer.  I do believe that there is a Homer riding guy at Keystone 
bikes in Philadelphia, but they aren't a Riv dealer, yet.  Isn't there some 
fabulous dealer in Chicago--Mack's?  
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/dealers?_pos=1&_sid=1f17f0872&_ss=r 

I was lucky enough to be able to try a number of models in my size when 
Analog was located in MD.  I've had enough to know my Riv sizing.  Lastly, 
perhaps a trip to HQ?  You won't even need to rent a car to visit them.  

I think a Sam would be an excellent choice for you based on your needs and 
wants.

Roberta

On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 8:58:34 PM UTC-4 jyos...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have admired Rivendell bikes since I first saw a homer parked outside of 
> my local food co op a few years back, set up with nitto albastache bars and 
> I thought what is THAT?! I was enthralled by the lugs, the thin steel road 
> like frame rocking fat tires, and the bars. love at first sight!
>
> My current collection includes a lovely purple waterford road bike i 
> inherited from my grandpa, he had great taste. I love zipping around on 
> that no frills frame. And a '85 schwinn high sierra set up as a commuter. I 
> purchased it for touring but find it a bit unstable and wonky geometry for 
> long rides. 
>
> I'm ready to bite the bullet and purchase a rivendell. I think id be happy 
> on a Sam, I want something with a bit of zip, but still able to load up for 
> tours and exploration. I'm only 150lbs so i feel like i could get away with 
> a Sam for touring as opposed to one of the heavier more dedicated touring 
> models. Would love any input.
>
> My pbh is 86 and I live in Maine right now, but willing to drive some 
> distance for the right bike. I'll be in chicago in mid july as well 
> visiting family, so can set something up there too.
> Side note: I absolutely love the orange colorway on sam frames, thats my 
> dream bike! if you have one and are willing to part with it, you'd make me 
> a happy camper.
>
> Look forward to hearing from you all! 
>

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Re: [RBW] Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[David Ross]

What speed are you running? The problem with the Paul mount is that you can
get a new shifter for less money. I have one of the blingy Uno shifters but
I also have two bikes with Microshift and it works just as well. There
isn’t too much you can do to engineer a significantly better friction
shifter which is one of the great things about friction shifters.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:04 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that work
> fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of me
> knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on a
> wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes,
> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the
> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie
> 
> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent
> is
> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters
> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>
> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some
> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know
> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm
> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> Roberta
>
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[RBW] Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Roberta]

I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that work 
fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of me 
knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on a 
wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes, 
for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the 
part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie 
 
is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent 
is 
cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters 
and setting the thumb mounts up."

I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some 
opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know 
to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm 
at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.  

Thanks for the input. 

Roberta


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Re: [RBW] NYC based bike campers

[Franco Rinaldi]

Hi Minh,I’d be down to plan some trips! I live in Rockaway beach. Would be stoked to meet up!Best,Franco Rinaldi c:  646.403.0661 -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-On Jul 1, 2024, at 4:03 PM, Minh  wrote:Hi all, I recently did a packratters organized bike camp, and realized how much I enjoyed the quiet and being disconnected after a long ride (we went up to Croton).  I've been trying to find other opportunities to do it again, I know about the 718 organized rides (its my local bike shop), but i've also been trying to find a small group to organize semi-informally, both to share the cost of the camp fees but also to have some backup during the ride and onsite.  Are there folks in this group that do this already that would be open for a singleton to join? Or are there a few people interested in trying to arrange something?  i'm old and slow, and won't stay up all nite drinking beer at the campfire--though I will support you if you do!   If we go to Croton, I know a lady named Susan that bakes great pies, first one is on me!MinhQuickbeam (green, way too many accessories), Park Slope



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[RBW] Re: Where can I read try out a ton of different Rivendell models?

[Anthony Davila]

Hey Christian, I live near Miami Gardens/Miramar area, but currently I'm in 
Tampa for an internship this summer. What kind of Rivendell are you looking 
for and what size?

Also, I booked the flight and hotel in San Francisco as well as an 
appointment at Riv HQ to go and try some bikes out lol. It just worked out 
since I would have a big gap of free time in August!

On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4 Christian Santa wrote:

> Hi Anthony,
> Where do you live? I'm also looking into purchasing a Rivendell in the 
> near future. I live in West Palm Beach FL, I ride a 1978 Raleigh 
> Professional road bike all around the city and beach (Ocean Drive). 
>
> If any members live near the area let me know I can also meet between the 
> Miami and Tampa area. 
>
> -Christian 
>
> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 2:52:21 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Your strategy is good (since it was very similar to mine in 2010): read a 
>> good bit about it, think about which bike you might get, go to Riv HQ (many 
>> reasons to be in Northern California at some point, right?) and try some 
>> out. You will enjoy the Rivendell ride quality (or your money back, haha) 
>> and you will buy one used or new. 
>> I had never spent that much on a bike before, despite owning many bikes. 
>> I got my first Hillborne used, frame only, and they gentleman who sold it 
>> to me gave me good advice: "the price isn't so bad if you always have one 
>> to sell!"
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 11:40:44 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Do they usually have most models for test-riding there?
>>>
>>> Riv Headquarters is several bays in an industrial park, big roll-up 
>>> garage space.  One of the bays is the "showroom".  There are usually about 
>>> 20-25 built up demo bikes there.  Those demo bikes usually represent what 
>>> is available right now and sometimes what is going to be available very 
>>> soon.  Since the Leo Roadini is sold out in 54 and 57, I suspect they will 
>>> not have a 54cm or a 57cm demo Leo Roadini there for you to test ride. 
>>>  Call them, and discuss what you are thinking about and they'll help you 
>>> formulate a strategy.  Maybe they have a 57 Hillborne and can talk to you 
>>> about the subtle differences between a Hillborne and a Roadini.  At least 
>>> one of the employees runs a Roadini, and they are usually generous with 
>>> letting customers ride their bikes.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 8:42:35 AM UTC-7 anthony...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've been riding a large Raleigh Cadent 1 which is a hybrid I bought in 
 2021. I attached a sizing chart!
 [image: Sizing]

 Honestly, I started looking at flights to San Francisco and am leaning 
 towards taking a week vacation before the school year starts back up to go 
 try out some Rivendells. Do they usually have most models for test-riding 
 there? Excited to go out there and see what it's like! Also thanks for the 
 advice and stories Glenn and Jim. 
 On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 5:15:05 PM UTC-4 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> What kind of bikes have you been riding previously? 
> The reason I ask is that at 86CM PBH, you are probably "between" the 
> 54 and 57. 
> If you walked into most shops, they would probably to put you on the 
> smaller bike for all the reasons we fear most shops.
> If you showed up in Walnut Creek and anyone at the RBWHQ&L got 
> chatting with you, they'd likely encourage you to try the larger size. 
>
> Also, if you are going for upright bars, that might change the 
> equation a bit. 
> If you are 5'11" with a true 86CM PBH, then you probably are a little 
> longer in the upper body 
>
> You might call them in Walnut Creek and be honest about your budget 
> restrictions and the fact you might not be buying it right away. They fit 
> folks well. 
>
> J
>
> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 2:04:48 PM UTC-7 anthony...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I should’ve stated in the original post, my bad. I’m thinking that a 
>> 54 cm Roadini would be a good fit since I’m 5’11 and have a PBH of 86 
>> cm. 
>> Please let me know if I’m wrong though!
>>
>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 8:32:27 AM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the test rides: you should state your desired frame size 
>>> and/or your PBH. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 3:25:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Finding a local Rivendell owner is a good idea, and you should 
 definitely try to pursue that.  In 2024 it can be tricky to execute a 
 Rivendell Acquisition Plan a year in advance.  If it's a year down the 
 road 
 because you are saving up the money then my advice is to plan on being 
 patient twice.  Be patient now while you are saving up the money and 
 trying 

[RBW] Re: Where can I read try out a ton of different Rivendell models?

[Anthony Davila]

Also thanks Edwin for the story! Hope I enjoy the ride quality and am able 
to buy used or get a good price to buy new anywhere within the year for 
sure. I've also never spent that much on a bike, but I definitely want 
something that'll last, look good, and feel right. This whole looking for a 
new bike thing started because my family member wants my current bike lol!

On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4 Christian Santa wrote:

> Hi Anthony,
> Where do you live? I'm also looking into purchasing a Rivendell in the 
> near future. I live in West Palm Beach FL, I ride a 1978 Raleigh 
> Professional road bike all around the city and beach (Ocean Drive). 
>
> If any members live near the area let me know I can also meet between the 
> Miami and Tampa area. 
>
> -Christian 
>
> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 2:52:21 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Your strategy is good (since it was very similar to mine in 2010): read a 
>> good bit about it, think about which bike you might get, go to Riv HQ (many 
>> reasons to be in Northern California at some point, right?) and try some 
>> out. You will enjoy the Rivendell ride quality (or your money back, haha) 
>> and you will buy one used or new. 
>> I had never spent that much on a bike before, despite owning many bikes. 
>> I got my first Hillborne used, frame only, and they gentleman who sold it 
>> to me gave me good advice: "the price isn't so bad if you always have one 
>> to sell!"
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 11:40:44 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Do they usually have most models for test-riding there?
>>>
>>> Riv Headquarters is several bays in an industrial park, big roll-up 
>>> garage space.  One of the bays is the "showroom".  There are usually about 
>>> 20-25 built up demo bikes there.  Those demo bikes usually represent what 
>>> is available right now and sometimes what is going to be available very 
>>> soon.  Since the Leo Roadini is sold out in 54 and 57, I suspect they will 
>>> not have a 54cm or a 57cm demo Leo Roadini there for you to test ride. 
>>>  Call them, and discuss what you are thinking about and they'll help you 
>>> formulate a strategy.  Maybe they have a 57 Hillborne and can talk to you 
>>> about the subtle differences between a Hillborne and a Roadini.  At least 
>>> one of the employees runs a Roadini, and they are usually generous with 
>>> letting customers ride their bikes.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 8:42:35 AM UTC-7 anthony...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've been riding a large Raleigh Cadent 1 which is a hybrid I bought in 
 2021. I attached a sizing chart!
 [image: Sizing]

 Honestly, I started looking at flights to San Francisco and am leaning 
 towards taking a week vacation before the school year starts back up to go 
 try out some Rivendells. Do they usually have most models for test-riding 
 there? Excited to go out there and see what it's like! Also thanks for the 
 advice and stories Glenn and Jim. 
 On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 5:15:05 PM UTC-4 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> What kind of bikes have you been riding previously? 
> The reason I ask is that at 86CM PBH, you are probably "between" the 
> 54 and 57. 
> If you walked into most shops, they would probably to put you on the 
> smaller bike for all the reasons we fear most shops.
> If you showed up in Walnut Creek and anyone at the RBWHQ&L got 
> chatting with you, they'd likely encourage you to try the larger size. 
>
> Also, if you are going for upright bars, that might change the 
> equation a bit. 
> If you are 5'11" with a true 86CM PBH, then you probably are a little 
> longer in the upper body 
>
> You might call them in Walnut Creek and be honest about your budget 
> restrictions and the fact you might not be buying it right away. They fit 
> folks well. 
>
> J
>
> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 2:04:48 PM UTC-7 anthony...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I should’ve stated in the original post, my bad. I’m thinking that a 
>> 54 cm Roadini would be a good fit since I’m 5’11 and have a PBH of 86 
>> cm. 
>> Please let me know if I’m wrong though!
>>
>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 8:32:27 AM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the test rides: you should state your desired frame size 
>>> and/or your PBH. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 3:25:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Finding a local Rivendell owner is a good idea, and you should 
 definitely try to pursue that.  In 2024 it can be tricky to execute a 
 Rivendell Acquisition Plan a year in advance.  If it's a year down the 
 road 
 because you are saving up the money then my advice is to plan on being 
 patient twice.  Be patient now while you are saving up the money and 
 trying

[RBW] Re: Where can I read try out a ton of different Rivendell models?

[maxcr]

This map might help you find others in the list near 
you: https://sites.google.com/view/mapofrivendellriders/home
Good luck!
Max

On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4 Christian Santa wrote:

> Hi Anthony,
> Where do you live? I'm also looking into purchasing a Rivendell in the 
> near future. I live in West Palm Beach FL, I ride a 1978 Raleigh 
> Professional road bike all around the city and beach (Ocean Drive). 
>
> If any members live near the area let me know I can also meet between the 
> Miami and Tampa area. 
>
> -Christian 
>
> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 2:52:21 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Your strategy is good (since it was very similar to mine in 2010): read a 
>> good bit about it, think about which bike you might get, go to Riv HQ (many 
>> reasons to be in Northern California at some point, right?) and try some 
>> out. You will enjoy the Rivendell ride quality (or your money back, haha) 
>> and you will buy one used or new. 
>> I had never spent that much on a bike before, despite owning many bikes. 
>> I got my first Hillborne used, frame only, and they gentleman who sold it 
>> to me gave me good advice: "the price isn't so bad if you always have one 
>> to sell!"
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 11:40:44 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Do they usually have most models for test-riding there?
>>>
>>> Riv Headquarters is several bays in an industrial park, big roll-up 
>>> garage space.  One of the bays is the "showroom".  There are usually about 
>>> 20-25 built up demo bikes there.  Those demo bikes usually represent what 
>>> is available right now and sometimes what is going to be available very 
>>> soon.  Since the Leo Roadini is sold out in 54 and 57, I suspect they will 
>>> not have a 54cm or a 57cm demo Leo Roadini there for you to test ride. 
>>>  Call them, and discuss what you are thinking about and they'll help you 
>>> formulate a strategy.  Maybe they have a 57 Hillborne and can talk to you 
>>> about the subtle differences between a Hillborne and a Roadini.  At least 
>>> one of the employees runs a Roadini, and they are usually generous with 
>>> letting customers ride their bikes.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 8:42:35 AM UTC-7 anthony...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've been riding a large Raleigh Cadent 1 which is a hybrid I bought in 
 2021. I attached a sizing chart!
 [image: Sizing]

 Honestly, I started looking at flights to San Francisco and am leaning 
 towards taking a week vacation before the school year starts back up to go 
 try out some Rivendells. Do they usually have most models for test-riding 
 there? Excited to go out there and see what it's like! Also thanks for the 
 advice and stories Glenn and Jim. 
 On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 5:15:05 PM UTC-4 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> What kind of bikes have you been riding previously? 
> The reason I ask is that at 86CM PBH, you are probably "between" the 
> 54 and 57. 
> If you walked into most shops, they would probably to put you on the 
> smaller bike for all the reasons we fear most shops.
> If you showed up in Walnut Creek and anyone at the RBWHQ&L got 
> chatting with you, they'd likely encourage you to try the larger size. 
>
> Also, if you are going for upright bars, that might change the 
> equation a bit. 
> If you are 5'11" with a true 86CM PBH, then you probably are a little 
> longer in the upper body 
>
> You might call them in Walnut Creek and be honest about your budget 
> restrictions and the fact you might not be buying it right away. They fit 
> folks well. 
>
> J
>
> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 2:04:48 PM UTC-7 anthony...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I should’ve stated in the original post, my bad. I’m thinking that a 
>> 54 cm Roadini would be a good fit since I’m 5’11 and have a PBH of 86 
>> cm. 
>> Please let me know if I’m wrong though!
>>
>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 8:32:27 AM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the test rides: you should state your desired frame size 
>>> and/or your PBH. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 3:25:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Finding a local Rivendell owner is a good idea, and you should 
 definitely try to pursue that.  In 2024 it can be tricky to execute a 
 Rivendell Acquisition Plan a year in advance.  If it's a year down the 
 road 
 because you are saving up the money then my advice is to plan on being 
 patient twice.  Be patient now while you are saving up the money and 
 trying 
 to arrange your informal test ride stuff.  The second round of being 
 patient will hinge on what is actually available for you to buy in the 
 summer of 2025.  If you have your heart set on one particular thing, 
>>

[RBW] Re: Where can I read try out a ton of different Rivendell models?

[Christian Santa]

Hi Anthony,
Where do you live? I'm also looking into purchasing a Rivendell in the near 
future. I live in West Palm Beach FL, I ride a 1978 Raleigh Professional 
road bike all around the city and beach (Ocean Drive). 

If any members live near the area let me know I can also meet between the 
Miami and Tampa area. 

-Christian 

On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 2:52:21 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:

> Your strategy is good (since it was very similar to mine in 2010): read a 
> good bit about it, think about which bike you might get, go to Riv HQ (many 
> reasons to be in Northern California at some point, right?) and try some 
> out. You will enjoy the Rivendell ride quality (or your money back, haha) 
> and you will buy one used or new. 
> I had never spent that much on a bike before, despite owning many bikes. I 
> got my first Hillborne used, frame only, and they gentleman who sold it to 
> me gave me good advice: "the price isn't so bad if you always have one to 
> sell!"
>
> Edwin
>
> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 11:40:44 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Do they usually have most models for test-riding there?
>>
>> Riv Headquarters is several bays in an industrial park, big roll-up 
>> garage space.  One of the bays is the "showroom".  There are usually about 
>> 20-25 built up demo bikes there.  Those demo bikes usually represent what 
>> is available right now and sometimes what is going to be available very 
>> soon.  Since the Leo Roadini is sold out in 54 and 57, I suspect they will 
>> not have a 54cm or a 57cm demo Leo Roadini there for you to test ride. 
>>  Call them, and discuss what you are thinking about and they'll help you 
>> formulate a strategy.  Maybe they have a 57 Hillborne and can talk to you 
>> about the subtle differences between a Hillborne and a Roadini.  At least 
>> one of the employees runs a Roadini, and they are usually generous with 
>> letting customers ride their bikes.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 8:42:35 AM UTC-7 anthony...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've been riding a large Raleigh Cadent 1 which is a hybrid I bought in 
>>> 2021. I attached a sizing chart!
>>> [image: Sizing]
>>>
>>> Honestly, I started looking at flights to San Francisco and am leaning 
>>> towards taking a week vacation before the school year starts back up to go 
>>> try out some Rivendells. Do they usually have most models for test-riding 
>>> there? Excited to go out there and see what it's like! Also thanks for the 
>>> advice and stories Glenn and Jim. 
>>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 5:15:05 PM UTC-4 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 What kind of bikes have you been riding previously? 
 The reason I ask is that at 86CM PBH, you are probably "between" the 54 
 and 57. 
 If you walked into most shops, they would probably to put you on the 
 smaller bike for all the reasons we fear most shops.
 If you showed up in Walnut Creek and anyone at the RBWHQ&L got chatting 
 with you, they'd likely encourage you to try the larger size. 

 Also, if you are going for upright bars, that might change the equation 
 a bit. 
 If you are 5'11" with a true 86CM PBH, then you probably are a little 
 longer in the upper body 

 You might call them in Walnut Creek and be honest about your budget 
 restrictions and the fact you might not be buying it right away. They fit 
 folks well. 

 J

 On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 2:04:48 PM UTC-7 anthony...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I should’ve stated in the original post, my bad. I’m thinking that a 
> 54 cm Roadini would be a good fit since I’m 5’11 and have a PBH of 86 cm. 
> Please let me know if I’m wrong though!
>
> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 8:32:27 AM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Regarding the test rides: you should state your desired frame size 
>> and/or your PBH. 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 3:25:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Finding a local Rivendell owner is a good idea, and you should 
>>> definitely try to pursue that.  In 2024 it can be tricky to execute a 
>>> Rivendell Acquisition Plan a year in advance.  If it's a year down the 
>>> road 
>>> because you are saving up the money then my advice is to plan on being 
>>> patient twice.  Be patient now while you are saving up the money and 
>>> trying 
>>> to arrange your informal test ride stuff.  The second round of being 
>>> patient will hinge on what is actually available for you to buy in the 
>>> summer of 2025.  If you have your heart set on one particular thing, 
>>> and 
>>> that thing isn't available, then you'll have to react to that 
>>> situation.  
>>>
>>> Big picture, if it's possible, I think it's a good idea in 2024 to 
>>> be ready to react when the perfect bike presents itself to you. If a 
>>> bike 
>>> you want to own is available,

Re: [RBW] FS: B17 Special Ti (brown), Nitto Mark Front Rack, Carradice Bag

[Eliot Balogh]

Saddle and rack have sold

On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 5:22 PM Eliot B  wrote:

> All prices are OBO.
>
> Brooks B17 Special Titanium - antique brown with some patina but in
> excellent shape with full tension bolt left. $150
>
> Nitto Marks Rack $100
> Missing a set of struts (Riv sells them for $17)
>
> Carradice Bag
> Has seen better days but core bag is in excellent shape. Could use some
> leather refresh if you’re type A. $45
>
> Vintage SILCA Impero Pump from 54cm frame. $45
>
>
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[RBW] UPDATE: FS: saddles, seat post and a stem

[Kim H.]

The following is what still available:

I am accepting HALF-OFF offers on the following:

Terry Cite X Gel saddle -$30.00
Terry Cite X Gel Italia saddle - $30.00
or both for $45.00.
Excellent condition
https://photos.app.goo.gl/XktsSZ1Sv3LacQdu6

Avocet seat post 26.8mm (actually measures 26.6mm) - $45.00
NOS - excellent condition
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KG6zSJ7r52qDwSNR7

Nitto Technomic stem 25.4 clamp diameter - $40.00
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HpGuKTVUmKDs5e956
Used in fair condition  

Combined shipping costs available
Pricing does not include shipping in the lower 48 states
Paypal payment, please.

Any questions, email me.

Kim Hetzel

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[RBW] Re: FS: Large Shopsack and Wald basket combo

[Berkeleyan]

A gentle bump and a price drop - the basket and bag are still available, 
and I'll let them go for $75 plus shipping. The brass clips on the bag are 
attached.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 12:19:52 PM UTC-7 Berkeleyan wrote:

> These saw me through an early tour, and have just light usage. The bag 
> fabric is still very stiff, and it's the older design without integral 
> inside pocket. The basket is in fine shape (16 inches by 11 inches at 
> base). Asking $90 for the pair, plus shipping from Berkeley (or local pick 
> up).
>
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/Se-Venda/Misc-Parts/i-CVs8Pm2/0/DVJ4zMbjJsXLjXQnW6JsLQB9ZRcbvWPZPB3wwJ6bw/XL/IMG_4517-XL.jpg
>
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/Se-Venda/Misc-Parts/i-dCXc7Tq/0/M2fXGwh2XwnC4dKj2Zg4K29wsDCPfTBHtFN5DDdV/X2/IMG_4515-X2.jpg
>
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/Se-Venda/Misc-Parts/i-pcfBFr6/1/2mJt5LhGPJ4wcvNhbV5JZnksBdWrfbZ53NMkxbmr/XL/IMG_4516-XL.jpg
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Re: FS vintage bike parts

[Bill Fulford]

Bump- campagnolo nuovo record rear, patent 74, and front derailer. $60 
shipped conus. Please contact directly.

On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-4 Bill Fulford wrote:

> [image: 20578BDD-6550-4ECF-B0BD-A805BFA82726.jpeg]Way back in 1980 I 
> assembled my first quality bike. A Trek frame with campagnolo parts. The 
> frame is long gone and I’m ready to sell the parts. I prefer to sell them 
> all together. 
> 1. Cinelli stem and grand mondo handlebars
> 2. Campagnolo Nuevo record front and rear derailer 
> 3. Campy brakes minus the front nut
> 4. Camp brake levers, no hoods
> 5. Campy hubs- the cassette is free, sorry that I don’t have the tools to 
> remove it 
> 6. 3 campy clamps
>
> $215 includes shipping to conus. Please contact directly.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS wheels, tires, things and more :-)

[richdpow...@gmail.com]

Here is what is left! 

Paypal this email or Venmo.  Please contact me with any questions.  Pictures 
at the link below or with the item: https://goo.gl/photos/7FKym17mpqFnDNFA7 
 

Rich

- Des Moines  

700c Deore - Alex DC19 wheelset They will work with rim or disc 6 bolt 
brakes. 135 mm rear 100 mm front quick-release hubs. The front is Deore 
HB-M525A and the rear is FH-M525A. The cassette will accommodate up to 10 
speed, 8/9 work as well, 7 speed with a spacer.  Spokes are Wheelsmith 14 
straight gauge with WS brass nipples 36 hole rims. 22.2 external and about 
16 mm internal. Hand built-not machine. Pictures 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ud9QCLsyho3J6JZ58  $150-net to me-now shipped lower 
48 USA 

NEW Mavic 700c 36-hole silver eyeleted Wheelset- Model T223 700c 36-hole 
Sapim 14/15 DB spokes, brass nipples. All new or NOS except the rear 8/9/10 
speed rear hub which is a Wheel Master 130 mm width $225 net to me now 
shipped lower 48 USA https://photos.app.goo.gl/zx8FptsXkruLHfbu5

New- Shimano Freehub Body. 8/9/10 speed 34.95 width $15 mailed

WHISKY No.9 CXLR Fork - 12mm Thru-Axle, 1.5" Tapered Carbon Steerer, Flat 
Mount Disc, Matte Black. The project died and is no longer needed. $400 
shipped. 

DIA-COMPE MX110 Levers  PAIR - all black Shorter BMX style $24 mailed


 

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