Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

[Daniel MacPherson]

Bike is sold. I decided to ship it. Not a lot of Rivendell owners in 
Northeast Florida..


On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:01:37 AM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just have a shop box and ship it, I’m sure someone would pay the extra for 
> that deal. I’d jump on it if I didn’t have one already! I can’t imagine 
> selling mine though. 
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:51:24 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Oh, and your Susie is beautiful! very tempting ;)
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:50:40 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying my best to avoid shipping, but if it doesn't sell soon I'll 
>>> ship. 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 10:45 AM maxcr  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you still thinking local only? I hate shipping bikes, but I imagine 
>>>> that would open up the demand side :)
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm Bumping this thread and lowering the price to $2450. Any takers?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> R10, Analog has them. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://analogcycles.com/products/nitto-r-10-rear-bag-support
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-7 
>>>>>> row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes? 
>>>>>>>> It's gorgeous, somebody go get it! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel 
>>>>>>>> MacPherson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie 
>>>>>>>>> Longbolts . I built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer 
>>>>>>>>> my 
>>>>>>>>> prior commuter better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so 
>>>>>>>>> local 
>>>>>>>>> pickup only in the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple 
>>>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>>>> hours with the bike to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of 
>>>>>>>>> around 200 
>>>>>>>>> miles or so. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Specs Below
>>>>>>>>> Susie Large Frame - Orange
>>>>>>>>> SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
>>>>>>>>> SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
>>>>>>>>> Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
>>>>>>>>> Billie Bar
>>>>>>>>> Nitto Technomic Stem
>>>>>>>>> Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
>>>>>>>>> Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
>>>>>>>>> Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring. 
>>>>>>>>> Avid  7 V-Brakes
>>>>>>>>> Brooks B17 Saddle
>>>>>>>>> Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm asking $2600.
>>>>>>>>> Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Daniel MacPherson
>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

[Daniel MacPherson]

I'm trying my best to avoid shipping, but if it doesn't sell soon I'll
ship.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 10:45 AM maxcr  wrote:

> Are you still thinking local only? I hate shipping bikes, but I imagine
> that would open up the demand side :)
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson
> wrote:
>
>> I'm Bumping this thread and lowering the price to $2450. Any takers?
>>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> R10, Analog has them.
>>>
>>> https://analogcycles.com/products/nitto-r-10-rear-bag-support
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-7
>>> row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes?
>>>>> It's gorgeous, somebody go get it!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie Longbolts
>>>>>> . I built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer my prior
>>>>>> commuter better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so local 
>>>>>> pickup
>>>>>> only in the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of hours 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the bike to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 200 miles or
>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Specs Below
>>>>>> Susie Large Frame - Orange
>>>>>> SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
>>>>>> SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
>>>>>> Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
>>>>>> Billie Bar
>>>>>> Nitto Technomic Stem
>>>>>> Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
>>>>>> Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
>>>>>> Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring.
>>>>>> Avid  7 V-Brakes
>>>>>> Brooks B17 Saddle
>>>>>> Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm asking $2600.
>>>>>> Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel MacPherson
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

[Daniel MacPherson]

I'm Bumping this thread and lowering the price to $2450. Any takers?

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> R10, Analog has them. 
>
> https://analogcycles.com/products/nitto-r-10-rear-bag-support
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes? It's 
>>> gorgeous, somebody go get it! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello!
>>>>
>>>> After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie Longbolts . 
>>>> I built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer my prior commuter 
>>>> better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so local pickup only in 
>>>> the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of hours with the 
>>>> bike 
>>>> to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 200 miles or so. 
>>>>
>>>> Specs Below
>>>> Susie Large Frame - Orange
>>>> SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
>>>> SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
>>>> Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
>>>> Billie Bar
>>>> Nitto Technomic Stem
>>>> Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
>>>> Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
>>>> Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring. 
>>>> Avid  7 V-Brakes
>>>> Brooks B17 Saddle
>>>> Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.
>>>>
>>>> I'm asking $2600.
>>>> Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI
>>>>
>>>> Daniel MacPherson
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

[Daniel MacPherson]

Sorry, beautiful dark gold The rear rack is the Nitto bag supporter. 

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 2:47:53 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes? It's 
>> gorgeous, somebody go get it! 
>>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie Longbolts . 
>>> I built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer my prior commuter 
>>> better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so local pickup only in 
>>> the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of hours with the bike 
>>> to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 200 miles or so. 
>>>
>>> Specs Below
>>> Susie Large Frame - Orange
>>> SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
>>> SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
>>> Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
>>> Billie Bar
>>> Nitto Technomic Stem
>>> Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
>>> Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
>>> Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring. 
>>> Avid  7 V-Brakes
>>> Brooks B17 Saddle
>>> Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.
>>>
>>> I'm asking $2600.
>>> Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI
>>>
>>> Daniel MacPherson
>>>
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[RBW] FS Susie Longbolts Large

[Daniel MacPherson]

Hello!

After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie Longbolts . I 
built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer my prior commuter 
better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so local pickup only in 
the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of hours with the bike 
to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 200 miles or so. 

Specs Below
Susie Large Frame - Orange
SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
Billie Bar
Nitto Technomic Stem
Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring. 
Avid  7 V-Brakes
Brooks B17 Saddle
Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.

I'm asking $2600.
Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI

Daniel MacPherson

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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Daniel MacPherson]

Well, I guess I'm going to bouncing around on my Susie... Joking.. I'll buy 
a Jim Stem once they become available in the near future...

Daniel M
Tallahassee, FL


On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:11:39 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Here are some relative truths:
>
> 1. 1-1/8" quill stems are stiffer than 1" quill stems
> 2. steel quill stems are stiffer than aluminum quill stems
> 3. Stems with a shorter extension are stiffer than similar stems with a 
> longer extension
> 4. straight handlebars are stiffer than swept back handlebars
> 5. among swept back bars, bars with less sweep back are stiffer than bars 
> with more sweep back
> 6. 31.8mm handlebars are stiffer than 25.4mm handlebars
> 7. steel handlebars are stiffer than aluminum handlebars
> 8. handlebars fitted to the right sized stem are stiffer than handlebars 
> shimmed into the next size larger
> 9. bullmoose is stiffer than separate handlebar and stem setups.  
>
> As far as I understand it, Daniel's handlebar setup is employing the 
> "flexier" choice in all 9 of the above.  So there's a lot of ways to 
> improve things.  The most "night and day" experience I've had on this front 
> was on Doug's Clem.  Doug hated the flex.  It was a technomic stem and 
> aluminum boscos.  I set him up with a bullmoose Choco, and he was instantly 
> over the moon about it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:39:07 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> From what I remember reading, the Billie is recommended to use with a 
>> faceplate stem. The Technomic has a lot of flex. I’m running the Jim on 
>> mine with Bosco bars and the flex is not bad, just enough to take the sting 
>> out of things. Definitely recommend trying a cheap one and getting 
>> something nicer when they show up, hopefully soon…
>>
>> I’m waiting for a 135 Faceplater to replace my 100 Jim. And also maybe 
>> waiting for the Billie to be able to stretch out more.  Hopefully parts 
>> become more available again one day!
>>
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:30:52 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>>
>>> Of course, the Jim stem is sold out. Anyone have a 120mm Jim Stem for 
>>> sale? I might get a cheapo off Ebay and see if that works then buyer a 
>>> nicer one later. I will do the headset test as well. I've had an 
>>> experienced mechanic set-up the headset so I'm pretty confident that it is 
>>> not the problem. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 10:15:26 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> Daniel wrote: "I was thinking the Jim stem with the double bolt and 
>>>> uprise angle might solve the problem. Thoughts?"
>>>>
>>>> I would think it would make a big improvement. The Billie bars are 
>>>> still wide bars with a fair amount of flex but moving to a stem like that 
>>>> made a big difference for me when I did it. I agree the amount of flex 
>>>> with 
>>>> my original Billie/Nitto tech setup was excessive.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 10:10:22 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> While not as aesthetically pleasing, you could try a threadless to 
>>>>> quill stem adapter and see if running a threadless stem with a wider 
>>>>> clamping area will fix your issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:30 AM James Valiensi  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> If the handlebar clamp on the stem is too loose the bars will slip 
>>>>>> and rotate in it. The bolt needs to be really tight.
>>>>>> You can tell if the headset is loose with this method:
>>>>>> 1. stand in front of the bike
>>>>>> 2. wrap one o your hands around the top nut, stem and top of the head 
>>>>>> tube
>>>>>> 3. hold the front brake lever realy hard with the other hand
>>>>>> 4. push the bike back and forth a bit
>>>>>> 5. if the headset is loose you will feel the differ parts moving 
>>>>>> under the hand that is wrapped around the headset
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of the longer bars are flexible. I have a Losco and it is so 
>>>>>> flexible that I quit using it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2022, at 4:51 AM, Daniel MacPherson  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Daniel MacPherson]

Of course, the Jim stem is sold out. Anyone have a 120mm Jim Stem for sale? 
I might get a cheapo off Ebay and see if that works then buyer a nicer one 
later. I will do the headset test as well. I've had an experienced mechanic 
set-up the headset so I'm pretty confident that it is not the problem. 

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 10:15:26 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Daniel wrote: "I was thinking the Jim stem with the double bolt and uprise 
> angle might solve the problem. Thoughts?"
>
> I would think it would make a big improvement. The Billie bars are still 
> wide bars with a fair amount of flex but moving to a stem like that made a 
> big difference for me when I did it. I agree the amount of flex with my 
> original Billie/Nitto tech setup was excessive.
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 10:10:22 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> While not as aesthetically pleasing, you could try a threadless to quill 
>> stem adapter and see if running a threadless stem with a wider clamping 
>> area will fix your issue.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:30 AM James Valiensi  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> If the handlebar clamp on the stem is too loose the bars will slip and 
>>> rotate in it. The bolt needs to be really tight.
>>> You can tell if the headset is loose with this method:
>>> 1. stand in front of the bike
>>> 2. wrap one o your hands around the top nut, stem and top of the head 
>>> tube
>>> 3. hold the front brake lever realy hard with the other hand
>>> 4. push the bike back and forth a bit
>>> 5. if the headset is loose you will feel the differ parts moving under 
>>> the hand that is wrapped around the headset
>>>
>>> Some of the longer bars are flexible. I have a Losco and it is so 
>>> flexible that I quit using it.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2022, at 4:51 AM, Daniel MacPherson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m having issues with my handlebar set-up. I’m running Nitto Technomic 
>>> stem with Billie bars. The Billie bars are 25.4. The Nitto stem is 26.0. 
>>> I’m using a problem solvers shim to fit the bars properly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, I get a lot of flex in the Billie bars when I apply any weight 
>>> to the bars. I’ve applied a lot of torque to the nut on the stem and it 
>>> helps a bit but doesn’t solve the issue. I’m worried it might be the 
>>> headset; however the headset appears tight and smooth. Have you guys 
>>> experienced similar issues? Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel MacPherson
>>>
>>> Tallahassee Florida
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 8:06:16 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good to know Daniel! I have the stock DXR pads on for now. Only have 
>>>> 100 miles or so and I still have no grind or squeal. Something I have been 
>>>> annoyed with since going to disc brakes 15 or so years back. 
>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:44:03 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I fixed the squealing on my Susie by toeing in the Kool Stop pads just 
>>>>> now.  It's worth the try if you are getting annoyed by the constant 
>>>>> screech. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely, 
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel M
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to know the Salmon pads squeal for lots of people. This isn't my 
>>>>>> first fight with salmon pads on motolites, but it's the first time I 
>>>>>> asked 
>>>>>> about it. I'll just swap out the pads like usual, and there will prob be 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> free for shipping salmon pads post here once I get everything sorted 
>>>>>> out. I 
>>>>>> have at least 2 sets to get rid of now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally, the dual compound mountain pads are my go to. I haven't had 
>>>>>> any problems with them squealing before. There must be something about 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> shape of the thinlines that leads to the squeal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:59:35 AM UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com 
>>>&

Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Daniel MacPherson]

Okay. I have Albatross bars on my Surly with.no flex. But the stem is
headless so I wonder if the tall Nitto stem is the main contributing
culprit. I don’t mind a little flex but this is too much.

I was thinking the Jim stem with the double bolt and uprise angle might
solve the problem. Thoughts?

Daniel M
Tallahassee Fl
On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 8:18 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> I had Billie bars on a tall nitto stem and had silly amounts of flex.
> Moving to a stem that had uprise instead of that negative angle helped a
> lot because I don't have to run them so high. I also think the Billie bars
> are just super flexy bars. I moved to losco and tosco bars and that also
> helped a bunch.
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:51:03 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>
>> Hey Everyone,
>>
>>
>> I’m having issues with my handlebar set-up. I’m running Nitto Technomic
>> stem with Billie bars. The Billie bars are 25.4. The Nitto stem is 26.0.
>> I’m using a problem solvers shim to fit the bars properly.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I get a lot of flex in the Billie bars when I apply any weight to
>> the bars. I’ve applied a lot of torque to the nut on the stem and it helps
>> a bit but doesn’t solve the issue. I’m worried it might be the headset;
>> however the headset appears tight and smooth. Have you guys experienced
>> similar issues? Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Daniel MacPherson
>>
>> Tallahassee Florida
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 8:06:16 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Good to know Daniel! I have the stock DXR pads on for now. Only have 100
>>> miles or so and I still have no grind or squeal. Something I have been
>>> annoyed with since going to disc brakes 15 or so years back.
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:44:03 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I fixed the squealing on my Susie by toeing in the Kool Stop pads just
>>>> now.  It's worth the try if you are getting annoyed by the constant
>>>> screech.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Daniel M
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good to know the Salmon pads squeal for lots of people. This isn't my
>>>>> first fight with salmon pads on motolites, but it's the first time I asked
>>>>> about it. I'll just swap out the pads like usual, and there will prob be a
>>>>> free for shipping salmon pads post here once I get everything sorted out. 
>>>>> I
>>>>> have at least 2 sets to get rid of now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally, the dual compound mountain pads are my go to. I haven't had any
>>>>> problems with them squealing before. There must be something about the
>>>>> shape of the thinlines that leads to the squeal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:59:35 AM UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm running Paul Motolites and the Kool Stop mountain pads, in
>>>>>> salmon, for my Gus.  No issues for fit or squealing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:30:18 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have found that the thin line salmons, when working, are great
>>>>>>> pads but by far the fussiest to setup. Getting them to be quiet can 
>>>>>>> require
>>>>>>> such ludicrous amounts of toe-in that the pad wont last more than 1000
>>>>>>> miles. One trick that has worked previously worked is cleaning the pads
>>>>>>> themselves with isopropyl and then with hot detergent water. Not one or 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> other. Both, in that order.
>>>>>>> I am trying the grey cheapy pads that riv started selling with
>>>>>>> Neo-retros on my Susie and the setup was painless, and the braking is 
>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>> improved to my previous experience with Neo-retros.
>>>>>>> Sometimes everything just works, sometimes It doesn't, and if I
>>>>>>> could tell which was which in advance I'd never learn anything.
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Daniel MacPherson]

Hey Everyone,


I’m having issues with my handlebar set-up. I’m running Nitto Technomic 
stem with Billie bars. The Billie bars are 25.4. The Nitto stem is 26.0. 
I’m using a problem solvers shim to fit the bars properly.


Anyway, I get a lot of flex in the Billie bars when I apply any weight to 
the bars. I’ve applied a lot of torque to the nut on the stem and it helps 
a bit but doesn’t solve the issue. I’m worried it might be the headset; 
however the headset appears tight and smooth. Have you guys experienced 
similar issues? Thoughts?


Thanks,


Daniel MacPherson

Tallahassee Florida

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 8:06:16 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good to know Daniel! I have the stock DXR pads on for now. Only have 100 
> miles or so and I still have no grind or squeal. Something I have been 
> annoyed with since going to disc brakes 15 or so years back. 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:44:03 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>
>> I fixed the squealing on my Susie by toeing in the Kool Stop pads just 
>> now.  It's worth the try if you are getting annoyed by the constant 
>> screech. 
>>
>>
>> Sincerely, 
>>
>> Daniel M
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> Good to know the Salmon pads squeal for lots of people. This isn't my 
>>> first fight with salmon pads on motolites, but it's the first time I asked 
>>> about it. I'll just swap out the pads like usual, and there will prob be a 
>>> free for shipping salmon pads post here once I get everything sorted out. I 
>>> have at least 2 sets to get rid of now.
>>>
>>> Wally, the dual compound mountain pads are my go to. I haven't had any 
>>> problems with them squealing before. There must be something about the 
>>> shape of the thinlines that leads to the squeal.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:59:35 AM UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm running Paul Motolites and the Kool Stop mountain pads, in salmon, 
>>>> for my Gus.  No issues for fit or squealing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:30:18 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have found that the thin line salmons, when working, are great pads 
>>>>> but by far the fussiest to setup. Getting them to be quiet can require 
>>>>> such 
>>>>> ludicrous amounts of toe-in that the pad wont last more than 1000 miles. 
>>>>> One trick that has worked previously worked is cleaning the pads 
>>>>> themselves 
>>>>> with isopropyl and then with hot detergent water. Not one or the other. 
>>>>> Both, in that order.
>>>>> I am trying the grey cheapy pads that riv started selling with 
>>>>> Neo-retros on my Susie and the setup was painless, and the braking is far 
>>>>> improved to my previous experience with Neo-retros.
>>>>> Sometimes everything just works, sometimes It doesn't, and if I could 
>>>>> tell which was which in advance I'd never learn anything.
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Daniel MacPherson]

I fixed the squealing on my Susie by toeing in the Kool Stop pads just 
now.  It's worth the try if you are getting annoyed by the constant 
screech. 


Sincerely, 

Daniel M

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Good to know the Salmon pads squeal for lots of people. This isn't my 
> first fight with salmon pads on motolites, but it's the first time I asked 
> about it. I'll just swap out the pads like usual, and there will prob be a 
> free for shipping salmon pads post here once I get everything sorted out. I 
> have at least 2 sets to get rid of now.
>
> Wally, the dual compound mountain pads are my go to. I haven't had any 
> problems with them squealing before. There must be something about the 
> shape of the thinlines that leads to the squeal.
>
> Paul
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:59:35 AM UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm running Paul Motolites and the Kool Stop mountain pads, in salmon, 
>> for my Gus.  No issues for fit or squealing.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:30:18 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> I have found that the thin line salmons, when working, are great pads 
>>> but by far the fussiest to setup. Getting them to be quiet can require such 
>>> ludicrous amounts of toe-in that the pad wont last more than 1000 miles. 
>>> One trick that has worked previously worked is cleaning the pads themselves 
>>> with isopropyl and then with hot detergent water. Not one or the other. 
>>> Both, in that order.
>>> I am trying the grey cheapy pads that riv started selling with 
>>> Neo-retros on my Susie and the setup was painless, and the braking is far 
>>> improved to my previous experience with Neo-retros.
>>> Sometimes everything just works, sometimes It doesn't, and if I could 
>>> tell which was which in advance I'd never learn anything.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifter apparently shift 12 speeds fine, even with SRAM rd

[Daniel MacPherson]

When my Silver1 shifter broke and I replaced it with a Suntour Barcon. I 
was surprised by how easier it was to shift to the last cog on a 10 speed 
cassette compared to the Silver1 shifter. My initial set-up with the 
Silver1 shifter was with a Deore XT 10-speed derailleur. The last cog was 
almost impossible to shift and sometimes didn't. I replaced the Deore Xt 
with a Claris 9-speed derailleur and that fixed the problem. However, I had 
to swing the Silver1 shifter all the way up to get to the last cog. It is 
now easier with Suntour Barcon. I sometimes wonder why a bicycle company 
hasn't come out with a modern version of the Suntour Barcon

Daniel M 
Tallahassee, FL 

On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 3:24:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> RBW said it won't work; quoting BS quoting Riv: 
>
> *These are compatible with up to 9 speed rear derailers only. Not 
> compatible with SRAM rear derailers.*
>
> But this recently appeared on the web page:
>
> HOLY COW, FOLKS: These will shift up to 11 speeds when used with a 9/8 
> speed rear derailer. The latest 10/11/+ rear derailers require more cable 
> to be pulled making them no good but a 9 speed rear derailer will still 
> shift through an 11-speed cassette easily. Match your chain to your 
> cassette, and the 9sp rear derailer works!
>
> In fact, BSNYC is using them to shift 12.
>
> The main complication is indeed lever travel; and this is why I find 
> Suntour Barcons with more "pull per inch" better for 10 cogs than Silver1s, 
> even though this means that shifting takes, theoretically, a bit more care. 
> In practice, the Barcons work fine with 10.
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 10:54 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
>> I guess my reaction to this would be "why would it not work".  It's a 
>> friction shift lever.
>>
>> So long as the limit screws on the rear derailleur are set correctly, and 
>> the lever has sufficient travel to sweep the entire distance between the 
>> high stop and the low stop when connected to the cable, there's no reason 
>> it wouldn't work.
>>
>> I suppose you could also talk about cable pull ratios and maybe there's a 
>> situation under which a friction shift lever didn't have enough travel 
>> because of multiplication or division of travel, but it still goes back to 
>> the same question, is there enough travel when the thing is connected to a 
>> cable, so more or less a yes or no question.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin suburbs, TX
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 5:41 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/07/08/index-this/#more-11189
>>>
>>> I'm only up to 10, and that with an 8-sp-era road rd and Barcons, but 
>>> this is heartening news. 
>>>
>>> I'm tempted to try my Barcons with a 12-sp road cassette, tho' I'd have 
>>> to swap out the DA 7401 rd for an 8-sp XT rd, I guess to handle a 
>>> big-enough granny cog to make it all worthwhile. Actually, I should proceed 
>>> gently, and simply go to 11 first.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[Daniel MacPherson]

Thanks for the review. I remember seeing them a while back on the QBP
website and thought to myself that I should snag the last two. I regret not
doing that now.

Sincerely,

Daniel M
Tallahassee, FL

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 9:46 PM esoterica etc 
wrote:

>
> Hey Daniel,
>
> I have a set of Paul Racers with TRP RRL levers on my Soma San Marcos
> (Riv-made and very similar to an AHH), and a set of the Tektro 559s with
> Shimano 600 non-aero levers on my Schwinn World Voyageur set up as a double
> single-speed bike.
>
> I've taken the Schwinn on roads where I've gotten right around 30 mph (~72
> gear inches), as well as some singletrack (~49 gear inches), and the
> Tektros slow and stop just fine for me. I am running 700c wheels on the
> Schwinn and the brake pads are just about halfway down in the slots, so I
> do have a bit more mechanical advantage than someone running 650b wheels
> with the pads at the very bottom of the slots.
>
> Having said that, the Paul Racers are much better in my opinion. Even
> though the Racers are almost maxed out at the bottom of the slots on the
> San Marcos (650b wheels), they have much more power than the Tektros
> at mid-slot. The Racers also have a solidity to them when engaging, and for
> me they're very confidence-inspiring. I'm extremely happy with my Racers
> and would highly recommend them (if you can find them). All the best,
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 4:55 PM Daniel MacPherson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Are the Paul Racer brakes better? I’m tempted to buy the latest Crust
>> road bike in the near future but I don’t want to run 559s or Mafacs.
>>
>> I know they’ve been discontinued but I’m sure over the next 6 months, a
>> couple will pop-up on Ebay or the ibob community.
>>
>> Daniel M
>> Tallahassee Fl
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 3:23 PM Josiah Anderson <
>> andersonjosi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Eric and others who find the 559s lacking in stopping
>>> power. They're more or less good enough in dry conditions, but if it's wet,
>>> not so much, and they're even worse in the snow. One of my scariest bike
>>> experiences ever was on a 650b conversion of an old Trek with 559s (with
>>> salmon pads), coming down a long hill with a busy intersection at the
>>> bottom. It was raining, and having recently switched to the Tektros from
>>> Mafac Racers, I was expecting my brakes to work, but they didn't. I went
>>> through the intersection at probably 35mph, and I managed to make the turn
>>> and somehow there were no cars, but it still freaked me out. The 559s don't
>>> seem to be able to squeeze hard enough to create enough friction to dry off
>>> wet rims in a revolution or two like most other (good) rim brakes do, so
>>> they just keep skating on top of the layer of water. Same deal for ice,
>>> although there are fewer brakes that do well with that.
>>>
>>> I've noticed that it seems like many of the people who like the 559s
>>> ride in relatively dry places and many of us who regularly deal with wet
>>> and freezing conditions find them inadequate. That's just my hypothesis on
>>> the wide variety of opinions on these brakes; I know not everyone fits this
>>> pattern.
>>>
>>> (Apologies if this post comes through late- I post frequently on IBOB
>>> but not as much here so might not have Cyclofiend Jim's approval to post).
>>>
>>> Josiah Anderson
>>> Missoula, MT
>>>
>>> Le lun. 11 juil. 2022 à 15:52, Cyclofiend Jim  a
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>>> I must ride a lot slower than all's y'all's... but I've honestly never
>>>> had any trouble with my brakes on my AHH. I use the original standard
>>>> Shimano Lever  that shipped with it in aught-seven (probably discontinued)
>>>> on a set of Noodle bars. They don't bottom out at full pressure and the
>>>> wheel will skid.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc522-cyclofiend_jim0908.html
>>>>
>>>> - Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 3:41:01 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Laing: Forgive me if you've posted some before, but if not, I'd be
>>>>> delighted to see photos of your Riv custom "racing bike." 53.4 X 62?? What
>>>>> sort of bar? Me, I fit almost the diametrical opposite: 60 X 56 c-c for a
>>>>> drop-bar bike.
>>>>>
>&

Re: [RBW] Mechanical: Bent rapid rise derailer cage

[Daniel MacPherson]

Any sign of an accident? Maybe a bunch of scrapes along the pulley cage. If 
it’s that bent you would expect some visible damage. But i would exhaust 
all other options before trying to straighten the pulley cage. I’ve never 
done it. It strikes me as very difficult to do it without damaging the rest 
of the derailleur.



Daniel M 

Tallahassee Fl
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:27:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Also on the checklist of things to check: the bolt for XTR rear mechs is 
> aluminum.  If a previous installer cross threaded it, it's pretty easy for 
> the steel of the dropout to kind of rethread that bolt in that crooked 
> orientation, if the previous installer was pretty ham-handed.  If that were 
> the case, the "bend" would be in the bolt, and "bending" the cage in the 
> bench vise would be a case of two wrongs trying to make a right.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:08:37 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Can't tell by the picture..
>> Have you checked your derailleur hanger alignment
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:15 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey hey hey everyone. I recently picked up a Shimano XTR rapid rise 
>>> mech, the M951. When it came in the mail all seemed good to go. Nice and 
>>> clean! But I went to install it on my Appaloosa and found the cage is out 
>>> of alignment. Picture attached. The pulley wheels are not vertically 
>>> aligned with the cogs of the cassette.
>>>
>>> I had a 2021 Deore rear mech on the bike when I started, it was working 
>>> fine. I ended up putting a XTR M952 on the bike and it works great! So the 
>>> issue is definitely with this rapid rise XTR. 
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend a fix for this? I wanted to check with the group, 
>>> seek some wisdom, before I mounted the mech in my bench vise and started 
>>> torquing. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[Daniel MacPherson]

>>>> still have that fifties - sixties racing bike look. The centerpull
>>>> braze-ons are located between the rim and the fork crown/brake bridge, so
>>>> they are a stiffer mount that cantilevers/V-brakes whose braze-ons are
>>>> located below the rim. Another plus for the RH centerpulls is no black or
>>>> plastic parts like the long reach Tektros.
>>>>
>>>> I have never actually seen another bike with braze-on centerpulls
>>>> except in pictures - some in the book *Japanese Steel*. I have
>>>> considered at times having Dia-Compe braze-ons installed on my Paramount
>>>> for the original Weinmann centerpull brakes.
>>>>
>>>> Laing
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 7:50:05 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with the sentiment that road bikes look better with calipers
>>>>> on them. Though I find the long-reach caliper brakes (Tektro R559) to be
>>>>> rather ugly looking. Road bikes with disc brakes or v-brakes still look 
>>>>> odd
>>>>> to me. I assume they must be gravel or cyclocross bikes. Maybe Rivendell
>>>>> should develop some kick-ass long reach caliper brakes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel M
>>>>>
>>>>> Tallahassee Fl
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 10:31:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Part of the Riv association with long-reach calipers (my opinion) is
>>>>>> Grant had them made back in the days when road bikes were closely
>>>>>> associated with calipers and he wanted more room for big tires. We don't
>>>>>> think anything of it now but at the time if your bike had canti posts it
>>>>>> was a tourer or mtb, you couldn't sell it to folks looking for a road
>>>>>> frame.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[Daniel MacPherson]

I agree with the sentiment that road bikes look better with calipers on 
them. Though I find the long-reach caliper brakes (Tektro R559) to be 
rather ugly looking. Road bikes with disc brakes or v-brakes still look odd 
to me. I assume they must be gravel or cyclocross bikes. Maybe Rivendell 
should develop some kick-ass long reach caliper brakes. 


Daniel M 

Tallahassee Fl

On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 10:31:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Part of the Riv association with long-reach calipers (my opinion) is Grant 
> had them made back in the days when road bikes were closely associated with 
> calipers and he wanted more room for big tires. We don't think anything of 
> it now but at the time if your bike had canti posts it was a tourer or mtb, 
> you couldn't sell it to folks looking for a road frame. 
>
> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:24:33 PM UTC-7 A. D. M. wrote:
>
>> I assume the folks at Rivendell find them adequate. I’ve used the 559s 
>> (with kook stop pads) on a fixed gear with a front brake only in the 
>> mountains and found it worked fine. I’ve actually done this on multiple 
>> 650b fixed conversions. I’ve even used DC750s in this setup. 
>>
>> I’ve also used the Mafac Raids and thought they were fine (but finicky to 
>> set up sans squealing).
>>
>> I like v brakes the most for ease of setup and stopping power but many 
>> people find them “grabby.” I have yet to find a brake I find inadequate 
>> (with kool stop pads).
>>
>> I think brake performance expectations vary quite a bit. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso 
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2022, at 18:52, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I didn't realize those brakes would not work. They were marked as long 
>> reach. I can't remember what I used them on before but it must have been 
>> something for mid-reach brakes.
>>
>> IMO I am just baffled they keep making bikes for those brakes when there 
>> are no great options with great stopping power. Especially when there are 
>> so many nice V, mini-V and canti brakes out there.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 8:28:16 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the AHH in question uses long reach calipers, not mid reach like 
>>> the VO.
>>>
>>> My experience with long reach calipers has been universally bad (Tektro, 
>>> DC centerpulls). They're adequate in the dry, but with wet rims, there is 
>>> no stopping power at all.
>>>
>>> I like a lot about the AHH, but I wouldn't get it due to the brakes. 
>>>
>>> Eric 
>>> Plain City, OH
>>> where I'm not really satisfied with the mid reach Tektros on my current 
>>> Trek,either
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 8:21 PM  wrote:
>>>
 The issue with the VO is they are only midreach (47-57). Many Riv bikes 
 require longer reach. 

 Best,

 Aaron in El Paso 

 On Jul 9, 2022, at 17:55, Forrest  wrote:

 Johnny, I had those brakes on a bike once. Very good stopping power; 
 they seemed a little stouter than other sidepulls. 

 On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:43:41 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Forgot the link.
>
>
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/brakes/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes
>
> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 7:43:25 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> If I had a bike that needed long sidepulls these are the ones I would 
>> have. I have used them before and I don't think there is a long reach 
>> that 
>> is as strong.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:58:27 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 8:37:19 AM UTC-5 Pierre wrote:
>>>
 Not super happy with the original Silver calipers raw stopping 
 power (admittedly quite spoiled by excellent hydro discs on other 
 bikes).

>>>
>>> I had mixed results with Silver/Tektro long-reach dual-pivot brakes. 
>>> On my Bleriot, with some dual-compound pads, they were brilliant. On 
>>> other 
>>> bikes I had less brilliant experiences. I suspect it had something to 
>>> do 
>>> with the levers I was using, but I never did a full, controlled 
>>> experiment. 
>>> The levers on my Bleriot were older Aero Gran Compe. I also can suggest 
>>> that low-compression cable housing made a difference for me.
>>>
>>> That said, the Yokozuna hybrid disc brakes on my newest bike (which 
>>> replaced the Bleriot) are a very different feel. I can't definitely say 
>>> they have more ultimate power, but it takes a lot less hand power to 
>>> get to 
>>> max.
>>>
>>> I have the Dia Compe 610-N calipers (not on braze-ons) on a bike and 
>>> they proved to be excellent stoppers when I was riding pretty fast and 
>>> a 
>>> car turned left in front of me. Had the back wheel well off the ground 
>>> and 
>>> stopped with about a foot to spare. Again, they need a bit more hand 
>>> power 
>>> than the disc brakes to get to that point, but not a lo

Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[Daniel MacPherson]

I once installed Tektro R559 brakes on a friends 27” to 700 road bike 
conversion. She mentions to this day that she could never stop adequately 
on that bike. Personally, I don’t understand bikes that need long reach 
calipers. Either go canti/v-brake or disc brakes for these type of bikes.


Daniel M 

Tallahassee Fl
On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 9:16:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Johnny, I believe that's how the long-reach-caliper Cheviot became the 
> v-brake Platypus. V-brakes just work and I spec'd them on my light duty 
> mostly-pavement custom as well. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 5:52:03 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I didn't realize those brakes would not work. They were marked as long 
>> reach. I can't remember what I used them on before but it must have been 
>> something for mid-reach brakes.
>>
>> IMO I am just baffled they keep making bikes for those brakes when there 
>> are no great options with great stopping power. Especially when there are 
>> so many nice V, mini-V and canti brakes out there.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 8:28:16 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the AHH in question uses long reach calipers, not mid reach like 
>>> the VO.
>>>
>>> My experience with long reach calipers has been universally bad (Tektro, 
>>> DC centerpulls). They're adequate in the dry, but with wet rims, there is 
>>> no stopping power at all.
>>>
>>> I like a lot about the AHH, but I wouldn't get it due to the brakes. 
>>>
>>> Eric 
>>> Plain City, OH
>>> where I'm not really satisfied with the mid reach Tektros on my current 
>>> Trek,either
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 8:21 PM  wrote:
>>>
 The issue with the VO is they are only midreach (47-57). Many Riv bikes 
 require longer reach. 

 Best,

 Aaron in El Paso 

 On Jul 9, 2022, at 17:55, Forrest  wrote:

 Johnny, I had those brakes on a bike once. Very good stopping power; 
 they seemed a little stouter than other sidepulls. 

 On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:43:41 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Forgot the link.
>
>
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/brakes/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes
>
> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 7:43:25 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> If I had a bike that needed long sidepulls these are the ones I would 
>> have. I have used them before and I don't think there is a long reach 
>> that 
>> is as strong.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:58:27 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 8:37:19 AM UTC-5 Pierre wrote:
>>>
 Not super happy with the original Silver calipers raw stopping 
 power (admittedly quite spoiled by excellent hydro discs on other 
 bikes).

>>>
>>> I had mixed results with Silver/Tektro long-reach dual-pivot brakes. 
>>> On my Bleriot, with some dual-compound pads, they were brilliant. On 
>>> other 
>>> bikes I had less brilliant experiences. I suspect it had something to 
>>> do 
>>> with the levers I was using, but I never did a full, controlled 
>>> experiment. 
>>> The levers on my Bleriot were older Aero Gran Compe. I also can suggest 
>>> that low-compression cable housing made a difference for me.
>>>
>>> That said, the Yokozuna hybrid disc brakes on my newest bike (which 
>>> replaced the Bleriot) are a very different feel. I can't definitely say 
>>> they have more ultimate power, but it takes a lot less hand power to 
>>> get to 
>>> max.
>>>
>>> I have the Dia Compe 610-N calipers (not on braze-ons) on a bike and 
>>> they proved to be excellent stoppers when I was riding pretty fast and 
>>> a 
>>> car turned left in front of me. Had the back wheel well off the ground 
>>> and 
>>> stopped with about a foot to spare. Again, they need a bit more hand 
>>> power 
>>> than the disc brakes to get to that point, but not a lot. 
>>>
>>> My experience with cantilevers is considerably more mixed than with 
>>> the long-reach dual-pivots. Everywhere from sublime to frightening.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Daniel MacPherson]

Not many options for wide-rimmed tubeless compatible rims that can handle

V-brakes unfortunately. I had a QBP watchlist set-up between the 
cliffhanger rim and the Velo Orange Voyager rim. QBP received 3 cliffhanger 
rims one day in January and I snatched it up.


I’m having squealing issues as well with my kool stop pads. If it continues 
I’ll put back the stock black Avid pads.


Daniel M

Tallahassee
On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 8:45:42 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I ran salmon brake pads with non-machined sidewall Cliffhanger rims for a 
> while on my 650B Atlantis.  The braking itself was horrible and the 
> squealing unacceptable.  These were Salmon inserts on Shimano CX70 brakes.  
> I switched back to the stock Shimano black inserts, with no other brake 
> adjustment at all (since it was just sliding in inserts), and the braking 
> improved dramatically and the squeal was gone.  
>
> Salmon brake pads work well in most situations (in my experience) but not 
> all situations.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> I bought these wheels fully knowing that the brakes would scrape the 
>> black off eventually, and I'm totally OK with that. After I scored the 
>> frame in the presale, I started looking for wheels and found this 
>> Cliffhanger/Deore set at one of the usual spots for less than $250. It has 
>> disc brake hubs, but so what for that price. And the all black just kind of 
>> inspired the build anyway ...
>>
>> I think this bike will break in nicely :) I hope the brake pads break in 
>> soon; the squeal is horrendous. Any tips for setting up Motolites with the 
>> Salmon pads that come with them?
>>
>> I now know exactly why I chose the Gus over the Suzie. This bike will 
>> haul anything over anything.
>> [image: 20220622_223557.jpg]
>> Paul in AR
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 9:13:54 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>>> I notice a lot of black cliffhangers being used on these...do people 
>>> know something i don't, or are they just gonna let those brake pads run 
>>> their course on the rim?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 4:21:29 PM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay. It was the headset. I got my mechanic friend (30 years of 
>>>> experience) to fine tune the headset and he did a marvelous job. Nice 
>>>> smooth ride, no more flop.  I decided grips instead of newbaums tape. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 2:39:04 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This, and also per my brief dalliance with a Susie..the front end has 
>>>>> a slack angle for trail riding which can feel a bit floppy if you're used 
>>>>> to more road-oriented Rivs. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:51:19 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel,
>>>>>> I haven't had any self-steer on my Gus yet, but on my Baby Bike with 
>>>>>> 2.3" Big Ones, self steer was always when the tires were under-inflated. 
>>>>>> There's a sweet spot on those tires, but they're so big a plush that 
>>>>>> it's 
>>>>>> easy to ride them a little too low. I'd give them 5 more PSI and see how 
>>>>>> that feels (if the headset seems allright ...).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:29:45 AM UTC-5 Daniel MacPherson 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 700cc tires. 2.3 inches  G-One Speed Light Tires. Very little tread 
>>>>>>> so they are quick. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far I love the feel of the bike (very comfy). It feels 
>>>>>>> surprisingly light given its length and steel nature. My only issue is 
>>>>>>> some 
>>>>>>> self-steering issues while turning, but I don't know if that's due to 
>>>>>>> headset issues, the design of the bike, or the tires. Anyone else 
>>>>>>> experience these issues ? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely, 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel M
>>>>>>> Tallahasee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:33:57 PM UTC-4 P

Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Daniel MacPherson]

Okay. Maybe it is the headset. What tires are you using?

Daniel 

On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 12:51:44 PM UTC-4 wallye...@gmail.com wrote:

> no issues on my Gus for self-steering.  I was riding no-hands on straights 
> and even into a few gradual corners.
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 12:29:45 PM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>
>> 700cc tires. 2.3 inches  G-One Speed Light Tires. Very little tread so 
>> they are quick. 
>>
>> So far I love the feel of the bike (very comfy). It feels surprisingly 
>> light given its length and steel nature. My only issue is some 
>> self-steering issues while turning, but I don't know if that's due to 
>> headset issues, the design of the bike, or the tires. Anyone else 
>> experience these issues ? 
>>
>> Sincerely, 
>>
>> Daniel M
>> Tallahasee
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:33:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Brendon: A Riv cuddling up to a Volvo 240? That marriage will last.
>>>
>>> I've never owned a Volvo, but my brother, who drives 35X more in a year 
>>> than I do (me, no more than 500 miles per year), and traveled several times 
>>> per year between LA and ABQ until he moved to latter, owned several of 
>>> these, all hi-miles, and swore by them. Apparently, almost as good as old 
>>> Toyotas.
>>>
>>> What are those tires?
>>>
>>> Daniel: G-Ones! I can't read the tire size; 650B or 700C? 60s for 
>>> certain. 
>>>
>>> If those G-Ones are anything close to as nice as the ineffably wonderful 
>>> lightest-model Big Ones, then those are very, very nice tires indeed. What 
>>> model G-One, and how do you find them?
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who just had a nice early-monsoon, cool-temp, mixed 
>>> pavement/dirt ride on the 700C X 60 Big One-shod Matthews 1:1.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 12:33 PM Daniel MacPherson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please see attached for my Hillibike. First time Riv Owner. I always 
>>>> wanted a Riv bike and finally pulled the trigger with the Susie. I will 
>>>> mostly use it for commuting but maybe the occasional gravel trail. 
>>>>
>>>> Daniel MacPherson
>>>> Tallahassee, Fl 
>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Daniel MacPherson]

700cc tires. 2.3 inches  G-One Speed Light Tires. Very little tread so they 
are quick. 

So far I love the feel of the bike (very comfy). It feels surprisingly 
light given its length and steel nature. My only issue is some 
self-steering issues while turning, but I don't know if that's due to 
headset issues, the design of the bike, or the tires. Anyone else 
experience these issues ? 

Sincerely, 

Daniel M
Tallahasee

On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:33:57 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Brendon: A Riv cuddling up to a Volvo 240? That marriage will last.
>
> I've never owned a Volvo, but my brother, who drives 35X more in a year 
> than I do (me, no more than 500 miles per year), and traveled several times 
> per year between LA and ABQ until he moved to latter, owned several of 
> these, all hi-miles, and swore by them. Apparently, almost as good as old 
> Toyotas.
>
> What are those tires?
>
> Daniel: G-Ones! I can't read the tire size; 650B or 700C? 60s for certain. 
>
> If those G-Ones are anything close to as nice as the ineffably wonderful 
> lightest-model Big Ones, then those are very, very nice tires indeed. What 
> model G-One, and how do you find them?
>
> Patrick Moore, who just had a nice early-monsoon, cool-temp, mixed 
> pavement/dirt ride on the 700C X 60 Big One-shod Matthews 1:1.
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 12:33 PM Daniel MacPherson  
> wrote:
>
>> Please see attached for my Hillibike. First time Riv Owner. I always 
>> wanted a Riv bike and finally pulled the trigger with the Susie. I will 
>> mostly use it for commuting but maybe the occasional gravel trail. 
>>
>> Daniel MacPherson
>> Tallahassee, Fl 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[Daniel MacPherson]

Good to hear. I'm currently setting up a bike with your same set-up. I've 
been rocking 10 speed friction for a year, so why not try 12 speed? 

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-8 Adam Bowen wrote:

> I am currently running a friction 12speed set up with a microshift bar end 
> and GX Eagle derailer/cassette. I have been pleased with how well it works
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 11:28:54 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Thank you Sam for this post. This is currently on my mind.
>> My friends insisted on a clutch derailer, and then, better than 
>> insisting, a friend gave me one (I reciprocated to make it a trade :)
>>
>> So I've been internally himming and hawing over what shifter to run on my 
>> Shimano 11 speed clutch derailer and Shimano 11-42, 11 speed casette.
>> One thing that came to mind is I'd like to have friction shifting an 
>> option if/when, for some reason, I can't correctly tune the indexed 
>> shifting with a barrel adjuster etc.
>> I think the barcon/bar-end option to switch between indexed and friction 
>> shifting is a really nice option and back-up plan.
>> I am also a little resistant to mountain bike trigger shifters, not for 
>> mechanical reasons, just...personal prefernce/bias.
>>
>> So I'm thinking I'll go with the Microshift 11 spd thumb shifter.
>> It looks like its the SL-M11 I want:
>> https://www.microshift.com/en/product/sl-m11/
>> I wish it had the bolt with the folding loop on top like the Shimanos to 
>> make it easier to switch between friction and indexed.
>>
>> I think I'm decided now, thanks, but also happy to hear more.
>>
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:24:00 PM UTC-8 Adam in Indiana wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been using 1x11 for a while, in both friction and indexed.  I use 
>>> an appropriate Microshift lever with a Shimano SLX clutch derailleur, and 
>>> it works flawlessly.  I started it out as a bar-end, but now have it on a 
>>> hydraulic Gevenalle setup.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:37 AM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:
>>>
 Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really 
 curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on 
 friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the 
 shifting more fussy ?

 Thanks

>>>

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Daniel MacPherson]

Got mine yesterday. I’m in FloridaMaybe the east coast get priority.😉

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