[RBW] Re: Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[JAS]

Roberta,
I have Microshift units on my Clem and Rivendell Silver shifters/levers on 
the Platypus.  I like them both,  but Microshift shifts better.  Good luck 
with your decision!  There's lots of good advice in this thread.

RivSisters,
Joyce

On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 7:07:35 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 6:04:46 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that work 
> fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of me 
> knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on a 
> wall .
>
>
> If your bike has downtube shifter mounts you can mount them there.
>
> Ted Durant 
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[JAS]

56cm Quickbeam frame & fork (new in box)
$1200
Portland, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-quickbeam-56cm-frame/7757375429.html

On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> 52cm Appaloosa
> Seattle, WA 
> $1750
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-appaloosa/7757648574.html
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 1:56:04 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> PSA Nice looking 59 Clem L near Boston, MA @ $1,500 seems almost new (no 
>> connection to the seller). I'm glad I didn't see this before buying my 
>> Rosco Baby or I would've been very tempted :)
>>
>>
>> https://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/bik/d/auburndale-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7756062078.html
>>
>> Pasting the ad for reference:
>> >>I'm selling my Clem Smith Jr. It's a fantastic, smooth-riding 
>> Dutch-style upright bicycle. If you know Rivendell, you know it's 
>> well-designed, well-made, and well-sourced. I have too many bikes, and I've 
>> ridden it only a handful of times for a total of fewer than fifty miles. It 
>> deserves to be ridden and used.
>>
>> Here are the specs from the website for the year (2021):
>> * FSA Duron Headset
>> * Shimano 118mm Cartridge BB
>> * Rivendell Silver 38/24t Crank
>> * Tektro 837AL V-Brakes
>> * Tektro RS360 Levers
>> * Alex DM24 Rim / Novatech Hubs
>> * Kenda K-1129 Kwick Journey 45mm Tires (sturdy, puncture resistant, 
>> reflective stripe)
>> * Shimano Altus rear and front derailer
>> * 11-34 cassette
>> * A Microshift thumbie for the FD and an Acera trigger for the rear
>> * Nitto Tallux Stem -110mm.
>> * Our world famous Tosco handlebars, 60cm
>> * Kalloy Seatpost
>>
>> It also has a sturdy rack, MKS Gamma pedals, which are grippy and wide, 
>> and Oury matchy grips. I will also throw in a nice Kryptonite U-Lock and 
>> key.
>>
>> It's a size 59, which translates into a large. I'm 6'0" and usually ride 
>> a size 56 road bike and a size 19 mountain bike, and it fits me. I think it 
>> can accommodate someone 5'8"-ish to 6'2" by adjusting the seat and the stem.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> @Valerie, 
>>>
>>> I thank you for sharing your information with me. It's nice to learn 
>>> something new. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 2:49 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>>> My Clem H from the first/2016 batch that came complete had wheels with 
>>>> CLEM hubs. 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have not seen before the word "CLEM" on the center of a stock wheel 
>>>> before. 
>>>>
>>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:20 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 45cm Clem H, $1300 in Los Angeles: 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45cm/7754606850.html
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO: 51cm Appaloosa or 51-54 Hillborne

[JAS]

Juliet,
There's a 52cm Appaloosa on the Seattle Craigslist.  I just added it to our 
Craigslist thread.  It looks like the CL ad has only been posted for an 
hour.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-appaloosa/7757648574.html
  
On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 10:38:47 PM UTC-7 ekeju...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Folks - 
>
> Searching for a Riv trail bike, particularly interested in Appaloosa and 
> Hillborne. Preferably, this would be a complete, but I'm open to frames as 
> well.
>
> Thanks!
> Juliet 
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[JAS]

52cm Appaloosa
Seattle, WA 
$1750
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-appaloosa/7757648574.html
On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 1:56:04 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> PSA Nice looking 59 Clem L near Boston, MA @ $1,500 seems almost new (no 
> connection to the seller). I'm glad I didn't see this before buying my 
> Rosco Baby or I would've been very tempted :)
>
>
> https://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/bik/d/auburndale-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7756062078.html
>
> Pasting the ad for reference:
> >>I'm selling my Clem Smith Jr. It's a fantastic, smooth-riding 
> Dutch-style upright bicycle. If you know Rivendell, you know it's 
> well-designed, well-made, and well-sourced. I have too many bikes, and I've 
> ridden it only a handful of times for a total of fewer than fifty miles. It 
> deserves to be ridden and used.
>
> Here are the specs from the website for the year (2021):
> * FSA Duron Headset
> * Shimano 118mm Cartridge BB
> * Rivendell Silver 38/24t Crank
> * Tektro 837AL V-Brakes
> * Tektro RS360 Levers
> * Alex DM24 Rim / Novatech Hubs
> * Kenda K-1129 Kwick Journey 45mm Tires (sturdy, puncture resistant, 
> reflective stripe)
> * Shimano Altus rear and front derailer
> * 11-34 cassette
> * A Microshift thumbie for the FD and an Acera trigger for the rear
> * Nitto Tallux Stem -110mm.
> * Our world famous Tosco handlebars, 60cm
> * Kalloy Seatpost
>
> It also has a sturdy rack, MKS Gamma pedals, which are grippy and wide, 
> and Oury matchy grips. I will also throw in a nice Kryptonite U-Lock and 
> key.
>
> It's a size 59, which translates into a large. I'm 6'0" and usually ride a 
> size 56 road bike and a size 19 mountain bike, and it fits me. I think it 
> can accommodate someone 5'8"-ish to 6'2" by adjusting the seat and the stem.
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 6:21:34 PM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Valerie, 
>>
>> I thank you for sharing your information with me. It's nice to learn 
>> something new. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 2:49 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>>> My Clem H from the first/2016 batch that came complete had wheels with 
>>> CLEM hubs. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I have not seen before the word "CLEM" on the center of a stock wheel 
>>> before. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:20 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>>>
>>> 45cm Clem H, $1300 in Los Angeles: 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45cm/7754606850.html
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[JAS]

*Roadini*, orange, 61cm, $2500

Port Orchard, WA

https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/south-colby-rivendell-roadini-61cm/7730137923.html
 

On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 11:40:56 AM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Gone! Its orange, it even sells fast.
> Mike SLO CA 
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:24:20 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> check out this Riv adjacent Ebisu in Davis, CA 
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1045901090509133/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post=browse_serp%3Ad855af6f-dc71-4c85-b170-807584484136
>> On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 3:16:26 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> 60cm Homer
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-homer-hilson/7732342937.html
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 7:35:42 PM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>>>
 That Heron was just posted to the Riv buy/sell/trade Facebook group. 
 $4000 shipped or less for local pick-up in Ann Arbor.

 On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 8:43:22 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Your patience continues to earn you money.  Now the price is down to 
> $6000.  Wait until September and you'll get paid to take it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
 I love a bargain 
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
> It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now 
>>> avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>>>
>> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
 this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.

 On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

>>> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through 
> the roof.
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  
> wrote:
>
>> wow
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Heron Touring 
 55cm
 $7000
 Walled Lake, Michigan
 Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto 
 racks, and full Campagnolo...

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw

 On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams 
 wrote:

> Roadini
> 57cm
> 2000
> Emeryville, CA
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[JAS]

Beautiful photo, Jason, with the light on your bike and that blooming tree 
in the background.  Good work.

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 11:46:46 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Vancouver's in full blossom swing now 
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[JAS]

Now you've done it!  That's the fanciest Platy I've ever seen and now we're 
all going to be dreaming about how to bedeck our own with jewels.  Just 
beautiful, Leah.  You'll go faster now too, I'm sure of it!

On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 1:42:14 PM UTC-8 tio ryan wrote:

> What a lovely bicycle! Appreciate the close up photos with the snowy 
> backdrop — I can't get enough 
>
> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 4:33:16 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Just beautiful, Leah; thanks for sharing!!
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 1:18 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I finally got the call to pick up the racing Platypus today! I don’t 
>>> think the photos I took can capture how great the Paul stuff looks. The 
>>> mechanics all swooned as the bike was wheeled out to the showroom. It just 
>>> looks like it was meant to have these brakes and in this rose color.
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
>>> image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
>>> image6.jpeg][image: 
>>> image7.jpeg][image: image8.jpeg][image: image9.jpeg][image: 
>>> image10.jpeg][image: image11.jpeg][image: image12.jpeg][image: 
>>> image13.jpeg][image: image14.jpeg][image: image15.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2024, at 11:41 PM, Brenton Eastman  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> the pencil gifting warms my heart!! thanks for sharing
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 1:38:46 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Love it!

 On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 4:10:31 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:

> Congratulations Leah. Now you have a one of a kind brake set on a 
> custom color Platy. 
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:10:51 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> @Leah -
>>
>> I am certain with your new anodized bicycle parts will make you smile 
>> loudly with a lot of joy making you go faster than ever before.
>>
>> Enjoy !
>>
>> Kim Hetzel enjoying my blue 52cm Clem with a lot of joy and smiles. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 3:40:37 PM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> I had the pleasure to meet and converse with Paul at the Philly Bike 
>>> Expo. His approachability, perspective and overall friendliness adds to 
>>> the 
>>> MUSA points and makes me a fan of his parts any time I can use them. I 
>>> think I'm dearly holding on to my orange Rambouillet because of the 
>>> center 
>>> bolt Racer brakes I added years ago to make room for more fender and 
>>> tire.
>>>
>>> Name that bike "Varod". 
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham 
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers 
 came with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO 
 brake levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded 
 freakishly 
 fast and everything was silver 4 months later. 

 But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and 
 Paul sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but 
 currently, they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened 
 to 
 have any of their pink levers laying around that they would be willing 
 to 
 sell me. I got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me 
 to 
 an employee I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so 
 fun, 
 right from the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him 
 my 
 pics via email) and we made a plan. 

 We colored it all. 

 The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of 
 it. 

 The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The 
 envelope had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, 
 just 
 because, with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve 
 ever 
 seen. Swoon! I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami 
 inside. 
 I uncovered the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So 
 beautiful. Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, 
 rose 
 color. 

 I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
 experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on 
 its 
 way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces 
 back 
 in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the 
 shop. 
 I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I 
 said, “I 
 have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who 
 wants 
 to see what is 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Year's Day, NBD!

[JAS]

It's a beauty, Joe!  Congratulations and best wishes for many happy miles.

--Joyce
On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 10:42:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> [image: Screenshot_20240107_224122.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 10:42:09 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> New pics! Shorter-reach-but-taller stem and narrower alu Boscos, this was 
>> the setup Leah used. Nitto Big Rack, Backabikes, Ortlieb trunk bag, Brooks 
>> Flyer. Soper comfy on our choppy roads, I feel like this bike was made 
>> for this town. I adore it 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20240107_224051.jpg][image: 
>> Screenshot_20240107_224105.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:56:54 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I will indeed update in the future with adventures on my shimmery blue 
>>> Clem L. As of today I've gotten a proper gray rear brake housing installed 
>>> and a Nitto Big Rack. Pics coming here and on the Instagram if the weather 
>>> holds out this weekend 
>>>
>>> "I loved that bike but it wasn’t getting enough miles, and I hate to see 
>>> a Rivendell not ridden. I might regret it when I’m 80..."
>>>
>>> Ok here's the deal. When you're 80 I'll be 99 and probably not out there 
>>> on a bike, you can have it back when you're 80! 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:49:06 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 "I left Joe with one top tube smudge so he can never forget it was my 
 bike first. 藍"

 Ah yes, the cure for my obsessiveness about scratched paint..it came 
 pre-scratched! It's perfect! 

 [image: Screenshot_20240104_214456.jpg]

 On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:29:49 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Jason, I never thought the day would come, either. I left Joe with one 
> top tube smudge so he can never forget it was my bike first. 藍 If you end 
> up with that Clem one day it will be a story too good to tell. How funny! 
>
> I loved that bike but it wasn’t getting enough miles, and I hate to 
> see a Rivendell not ridden. I might regret it when I’m 80, but for now, 
> I’ve got some new plans in the works! Joe, report back on your 
> adventures, 
> hear?
> L
>
> On Jan 4, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> I never thought I'd see the day that Leah parted with the blue Clem, 
> but I absolutely would have predicted that if it happened, Joe would buy 
> it!  :D
>
>
>
> It's fun to watch its journey though different hands, in different 
> places, all with the common goal of making fond memories aboard the 
> common 
> bike. Maybe it'll end up with me next?  Wouldn't be the first time I 
> bought 
> a bike from Joe ... 
>
> On Wednesday 3 January 2024 at 07:49:09 UTC-8 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> [image: hillborne at dam.JPG]
>> Took a new years day ride on my Hillborne. Went up to Conowingo dam 
>> and back along the Susquehanna river. 
>> This sign was new so I thought I would get a photo. Watch out for 
>> vultures.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:59:27 AM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> @Joe,
>>> I think the close-up photo makes it looks bigger than it is.  I have 
>>> 57mm tires on my 52cm, but they appear to be smaller in width. You are 
>>> going to love the ride and feel of the elongated chain stays and bike, 
>>> 80 
>>> inches worth. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah: It's a wonderful bike whose journey I've followed for years, 
>>> it feels like an old friend arrived at my doorstep. Thanks so much!
>>>
>>> Kim: It's a 52, it just looks huge in the photos with 42mm tires. 
>>> But it's a loong 52, I've owned shorter recumbents! 
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:27:53 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Congratulations Joe on your NBD on New Year's Day !  
>>>
>>> The RBW Blue is such a fantastic color. She is a beauty !  I am sure 
>>> that you are, if not already have fallen in love with it. Every time I 
>>> walk 
>>> by mine here in my home,  a 52cm Blue Clem, I admire it every time. I 
>>> am 
>>> very delighted to own one. 
>>>
>>> What size is it ?  59cm ? ..or ?
>>>
>>> I am certain that you will find it a real fun bike on and off road.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to your periodical ride reports in and around 
>>> Clear Lake.
>>>
>>> Long my you ride with smiles and joy in your heart.
>>>
>>> All my best,
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:03:48 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> Surprise! And happy NBD. You really know how to ring in the new 
>>> year. From NYC, to Las Vegas, to Michigan and now to California this 
>>> bike 
>>> has lived 

[RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[JAS]

I have both a 52 Clem and a 55 Platypus so I'll give you my 2 cents.  I'm 
5'7" with long legs and a short torso so both are set up with Bosco 
handlebars and bars just above saddle height.  I like to sit up and look 
around; they're both very comfortable riders.  I'm 70 and retired; I ride 
at an easy pace and set up the Platypus as my "go fast" bike.  (My "go 
fast" is probably not the same as yours!)  Both bikes take me where I want 
to go and can haul groceries.  The Clem has a lower step-through, as Joe 
has mentioned.  Yes, the Platy is lighter and feels more agile, but what's 
interesting is the way I feel on the bikes.  With Clem, I feel like I'm 
"in" the bike where as I'm "on" the Platy.  I don't know if it's the 
difference in size of the frames or wheels and tires (650 vs 700), the 
other geometric design factors or tubing.  It's just a different feeling.  
Both bring me joy!

I often ride the Clem on dirt trails and have knobby tires on it for mud.  
The Platy has lighter, slightly more narrow, smooth tires and is mostly for 
pavement, but I've also ridden it on the same trails as Clem without any 
problems.  It's a do-anything frame depending on how you set it up.  Platy 
is more stylish with the swoopy lines and beautiful lugs.  Clem is heavier, 
but I don't really notice the weight when riding and don't have any trouble 
lifting it onto my rack.

Here's an idea.you can buy a plane ticket to Seattle for your wife and 
I'll take her riding so she can decide!  (There are other Clem & Platy 
owners closer to Buffalo who would gladly allow her to try their bikes.  
Are you going to the Philadelphia Bike Expo?)

Joyce

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:38:11 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've just bought a 52cm Clem L (I've owned them before) and have a Riv 
> Custom that was designed similarly to the Platypus: lugs, lighter 
> pavement-oriented tubing, long chainstays, low stepover but not a true 
> step-through like the Clem. 
>
> My first impression after hopping off the custom and taking my first ride 
> on the Clem yesterday is they ride remarkably similarly at the mellow-ish 
> pace I prefer. Would I pick the Clem for speed? No, but that's not really 
> my jam and it sounds like your wife rides like me. So my opinion - as a guy 
> whose owned a Cheviot but not a Platy - is the Clem will be a lovely and 
> comfortable ride for her IF you're committed to riding at her pace as 
> you've suggested. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Lake County CA 
>
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 2:29:59 PM UTC-8 SeanMac wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!
>>
>> I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I 
>> purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie 
>> Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding together.  
>> However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets frustrated 
>> with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and enjoy 
>> the ride with her.
>>
>> My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years 
>> old.  I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.  
>> She is on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell seems 
>> to be just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for us 
>> together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best choice.
>>
>> Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first suggestion.  
>> I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - plush, stable and 
>> relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a bit surprised 
>> by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the Clem.  When she 
>> asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, but didn't 
>> know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why I am 
>> reaching out to the group.
>>
>> I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both the 
>> Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the 
>> differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet my 
>> wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs are 
>> much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sean
>> Buffalo, NY
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[JAS]

*Rivendell Road Custom by Waterford $900*
58cm with shortened top tube
650b wheel
https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bik/d/kenmore-rivendell-road/7684875657.html

*Bleriot  $800*
61 cm
650b
Recently rebuilt by Free Range Cycles, Seattle (great LBS)
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7683878809.html

*Bleriot  $1500*
61 cm
650b
1x10
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7683324285.html

*Susie Longbolts frame $1700*
56cm
29 in wheel
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-like-new-56cm-rivendell-susie/7683111089.html

*Betty Foy $2200*
58cm
650b
https://klamath.craigslist.org/bik/d/klamath-falls-58-cm-rivendell-betty-foy/7678238580.html
On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 3:44:15 AM UTC-8 Eric Marth wrote:

> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
> Roadini f/f/hs
> 61cm 
> $650
> eBay: Angwin, California 
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/145420923330
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-08 at 6.42.17 AM.png]
> Frank Jones Sr f/f/hs
> 49cm
> $1,750
> eBay: Racine, Wisconsin
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/386262248039
>
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:16:40 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> There's also a good deal ($1K) on a 60 well used Sam on the new radavist 
>> bazaar: 
>> https://radbazaar.theradavist.com/listing/6UtpNT2y4m2uFuoKQUjo?category=undefined=undefined
>>
>> No association with the seller.
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 9:21 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell Roadini - $1,500 (Ellensburg) 
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/ellensburg-rivendell-roadini/7676911394.html
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel... no interest in purchase. 
>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:02:30 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ooops. Sorry - obviously, I skipped over the past few additions to the 
 thread.

 On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:27 PM UTC-7 Stephen Durfee wrote:

> @dylanthomasgreen, here's your 54 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-hunqapillar/7682361768.html
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:06:34 AM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> just like the last hunq, this is a 52. I’ve been on the hunt 
>> For a 54 for the last year…so it continues
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 5:21 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> <0_ccmrPRcSB2W_0CI0t2_600x450-1.jpg>
>>
>>
>> It's too bad to see an uncommon Riv frame that was rippled and 
>> dimpled by one owner and left outside *over winter* by the next. 
>> Perhaps with the damage there's some more room to negotiate the price. 
>> It 
>> would be nice if a new owner could resurrect it. But I'm worried it's 
>> worse 
>> than it looks given the current owner's lack of bicycle savvy (bad pics, 
>> missing important pics, incorrect wheel size). 
>>
>> AFAIK Bernie Mikkelson does repair work for Rivendell (when he can 
>> get to it) and if this frame has been inspected and evaluated by him 
>> that 
>> would give me some degree of confidence. Even more if I could call him 
>> and 
>> he remembered the frame. 
>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:48:52 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> That poor Hunq looks like it got overclamped in a repair stand. 
>>> Clamp the seatpost, people! 
>>>
>>> The price is optimistic with the damage and visible rust but it 
>>> probably rides fine. 
>>>
>>> There's no 54cm Hunqapillar with 26-inch wheels, I'm not sure what 
>>> size this frame is. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:02:05 PM UTC-7 
>>> h...@chrisdedinsky.com wrote:
>>>
 Anybody know more details about this Hunq: 
 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/7682361768.html?lang=fr=ca

 On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-7 Drew Henson wrote:

> I had the chance to buy that legolas and I just don't have the 
> funds to pull it off right now. whoever gets it please show us that 
> eventual build!
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 5:32:40 PM UTC-7 
> mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Pretty Legolas frame over at Crust Trader. 
>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179172
>> Matt in STL
>>
>> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 1:45:45 PM UTC-5 RBW Owners Bunch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 59cm Legolas over on internet-BOB.  $400, with a backstory.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:39:09 PM UTC-7 
>>> jerry...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Rivendell SimpleOne Frame 60 cm w/Fork And Headset (not mine, 
 nor seller known to me)

 $425 plus shipping - or Best Offer


 [image: Riv-ebay.jpg]

[RBW] Re: I bought my 52cm Rivendell Bicycle Works Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle in RBW Blue

[JAS]

Congratulations, Kim,  I’m glad you found one after such a long search.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 4:03:26 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:

> Today, I am very happy to report that I found and bought my 52cm Rivendell 
> Bicycle Works Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle in RBW Blue that I have been 
> searching for. It was a demo at RBW headquarters in Walnut Creek. Will 
> Keating helped me with the sale after he sent me pictures of the bike for 
> my approval. My search is over. 
>
> Needless to say, I am very excited. It should be arriving at my home by 
> the end of the week.
>
> Anyone wanting to buy a 59cm lime olive Clem Smith Jr. "L" complete 
> bicycle ? 
>
> After, I get all of my componentry off of my lime olive Clem over onto my 
> blue Clem, I will have a complete 59cm Clem "L" for sale. The reason why I 
> am selling, it is the frame is too large for me too handle. 
>
> I will no longer be green. I will be a lovely shade of azure blue.
>
> Kim Hetzel.[image: clem52-2.jpg][image: clem52-3.jpg]
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike Makeover Thread

[JAS]

Leah, the new look is gorgeous!  Nice job coordinating the colors.  Now all 
you need is a 1UP hitch rack and the raspberry anodized accessory kit that 
matches your bike.   Link here  
 https://1up-usa.com/product/custom-anodized-kit  

RivSisters
--Joyce


On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:33:09 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I love the new look. I also love the old look! Basically I just love that 
> Raspberry Racing Platy ❤️❤️❤️
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 6:52:55 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>> thread.
>>
>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>
>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>
>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found 
>> these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t 
>> have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut 
>> saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. 
>> The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint throw out so 
>> many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in 
>> the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The 
>> stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual 
>> interest at the handlebar area. 
>>
>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>
>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>
>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>> Leah
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[JAS]

Danielle,
Thanks for sharing your story.  It's such a pleasure to read a well written 
tale and I shuddered at the description of your pristine Cheviot losing the 
battle with concrete.  I'm looking forward to the images of diaper 
swaddling!  

Your story reminded me of some advice my older brother gave my younger 
brother.  Both of them avid outdoorsy hunters/fishers/campers/boaters, they 
drive pick-ups for their adventures.  Younger bro gets a brand new Ford and 
doesn't want to drive a particular road because his new baby is going to 
get scratched.  Older bro says, "Find a track that is overgrown with brush 
and drive your truck through it.  It will get scratched up and you'll never 
have to worry about it again."  So much for precious truck finishes!  (And 
advice from older brothers...ha!)   

Please keep posting and sharing your new bike decisions & adventures!

RivSisters,
--Joyce  (who has accepted the beausage on Clem, but is still cringing at 
new scratches on Platy)

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:47:43 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks to all for the kind and thoughtful responses!
>
> @Jason I get what you're saying and had been thinking about the Albastache 
> for months. I do like the reach on it and the more assertive set up (why 
> does aggressive feel wrong to me in the context of me biking??). What 
> ultimately pulled me away was the brake set up. I put inverse levers on the 
> Porteur and liked having my hand at the levers for my mostly city riding 
> through traffic. Now you've got me thinking about the Albatross upside down 
> :)
>
> @Jock I too hope he knows how lucky he is! At the time it happened I 
> didn't even mention it to him, knowing how much he'd beat himself up if he 
> knew what happened in a moment of carelessness. We had a riding date out to 
> dinner last night and I mentioned over a beer that I shared this story that 
> he of course didn't remember, having never been told. He asked me to show 
> him my post...I declined :p
>
> @Johnny Truly appreciate hearing this from someone who's tried both! I'm 
> also really drawn to the beauty of that bar and am dreaming up elaborate 
> bar tape combos a la Grant and Blue Lug. I'm still thinking I might want to 
> shave off a bit the swept back length if it wouldn't compromise anything 
>
> @Kim Thank you, great advice and wise move, especially thinking of anytime 
> it's put on the rack to accompany us on vacation (looking at you @Leah and 
> your upcoming trip). Maybe it'll only be the Chev that rides the rack. 
> Maybe I'll just accept that inevitable chips and scratches that are sure to 
> come, like the scars we wear having lived. Or maybe I'll just gather all 
> our old cloth diapers and swaddle it for the ride...
>
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:08:46 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I was reminded of you guys today when I was looking at my bike. My most 
>> precious raspberry one is definitely showing minor signs of use. It’s 
>> dirty. Gritty, even. And the Platypus decal is marred (just a tiny bit) and 
>> I’m seeing small paint chips begin to form.
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> I am (unexpectedly) comforted by this, because it means that the bike is 
>> having adventures and serving its purpose. I am going to be putting 4 bikes 
>> on my rack for a bike overnight I’m doing with the women of my bike club. I 
>> am rather nervous about the jostling and subsequent paint damage that could 
>> occur, but I’ve decided it’s worth the risk to have the experience of a 
>> real bike adventure.
>>
>> I was grinning to myself remembering my old Betty, the first “nice” bike 
>> I ever had, and how I put all kinds of marks on it and was totally 
>> unbothered. I didn’t know it was tragic to mark up your bike at the time. 
>> Working on getting back to that!
>>
>> I know these imperfections are pretty minor, but hey, it’s progress in 
>> the life of this bike!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Danielle,
>>
>> As a suggestion in protecting your new Sergio Green Roadini bicycle, you 
>> might want to use some this helicopter tape. I bought some with plenty left 
>> over from my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike in protecting her against the elements.
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QC6H90/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>>
>> BTW... I love your storytelling, as well. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:02:44 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> @Danielle I have used both the loscos and the chocos. There is not a 
>>> huge difference to be honest but if you are OK with the narrow width I can 
>>> say that I don't think there is a handlebar on the planet that is better 
>>> looking than the losco bar. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:55:48 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 …Or he’d surely be out on the street, looking for cover. 

 Jock


 On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[JAS]

 7 Rivs on Craiglsist in the Northwest:

*Appaloosa,  47cm*
Prototype, frame built by Mark Nobilette
$3200
Silverdale, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-2015-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7641501704.html

*Appaloosa frame set, 46cm*
$1200
blue
Silverdale, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7642198706.html

*Appaloosa, 54cm*
$3400
orange
Central Point, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-appaloosa-54cm/7639357342.html

*Ram, 54cm (or 56cm?)*
$1900
orange
Central Point, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-rambouillet-1st/7639406959.html

*Susie/Wolbis XL frameset*
$1775
Eugene, OR
lime-olive
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-new-rivendell-xl-susie-wolbis/7636146396.html

*Hubuhhubuh, small*
$3700
Sequim, WA
https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/sequim-rivendell-hubbuhubbuh-tandem/7642793863.html

*Bleriot, 46cm*
$1000
Deer Park, WA (near Spokane)
https://spokane.craigslist.org/bik/d/deer-park-rivendell-bleriot/7639080253.html
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:51:13 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Another All Rounder, beautiful and in my size - so tempting, but the 
> timing is not right. I was in touch with the owner who also has a Bombadil, 
> very nice guy.
>
> 2004 59cm Rivendell All-Rounder
> Curt Goodrich built frame USA
> Joe Bell paint
> 26” wheels
> $3K
> SF, CA
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-all-rounder/7642699971.html
>
> Max
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 8:39:52 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2023-07-13 at 8.38.46 AM.png]
>>
>> Rivendell All Rounder, 54cm 
>> Waterford-built
>> $3,000
>> Sellwood Cycle. Portland, OR 
>>
>> https://sellwoodcycle.com/collections/used-bikes/products/54cm-rivendell-all-arounder
>>
>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:10:25 AM UTC-4 kw wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-atlantis-53cm/7635482928.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:38:33 PM UTC-4 jad...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

 https://missoula.craigslist.org/bik/d/missoula-rivendell-sam-hillborne-60cm/7633643955.html
 On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:

> Valerie,
>
> The description says it was built in Japan, so Toyo origin. It would 
> have come with 26" wheels; must be a conversion.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:44:27 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Re the Atlantis 53, did Riv sell a 650B version in that size or was 
>> it a conversion? I have one and it has 26” wheels.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 7:18:41 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Toyo Atlantis size 53. 650b with dynamo (F). This looks like a 
>>> fantastic deal. I have no relation to the seller. Just happen to see 
>>> it. 
>>>
>>> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72037052
>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 64cm top tube on that Clem, but not a 64cm frame. Biggies in the H 
 came in at 65cm. This one above is probably a 59?
 -Kai (who saw the most beautiful red Quickbeam this morning on the 
 Queensboro bridge, who’s owner said “you haven’t sold that yet?”, 
 regarding 
 my Rosco, to which I replied “It’s the other Rosco I’ve been thinking 
 about 
 selling”. But wow, those Roscos are fun fun fun, and measure 64cm and 
 are 
 considerably zippier feeling that the Clem 65, which I also rode 
 today. I 
 should send one West to the Wasatch Front for yearly shreds, but I 
 shouldn’t….)


 On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:18:44 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Clem Smith Jr. H
> 64cm
> 2200
> Pleasanton, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pleasanton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-64cm/7629580864.html
>


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Re: [RBW] Clem is mine!

[JAS]

Another RivSister!  Welcome to you and your beautiful new Clem!  I have a 
Clem also (dark green) and love the ride.  Miles of smiles to you!

--Joyce

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 1:20:52 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congrats! You are in for such a treat.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 3, 2023, at 3:41 PM, Gina  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hello, all!
> After a few years lurking here and searching for a Riv, I have finally got 
> my hands on a lime olive Clem L. I originally wanted a Platypus but, alas, 
> the smallest frame is too large but I am thrilled with Clem.
>
> I had Jimmy of Fabrica de Rosas build up my bike and am so happy with how 
> it turned out. At just about 5'1", I have never had a bike fit me until now 
> and I can say that riding a bike that fits is an absolute pleasure!! 
> Gina
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Re: [RBW] I spy a yellow Platypus

[JAS]

Welcome, RivSister!  Your Platy is beautiful.  Best wishes for many happy 
miles together!
Do you live on the West Coast?  I'm in the NW, on Whidbey Island.  If 
close, we could ride our Platys together!

Joyce

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Another colorful Platy build!  
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/jordans-platty
>
> Max
>
> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 7:30:45 AM UTC-4 Elton Lance wrote:
>
>> Love the white Rivet saddle.  Looks perfect on the bike!
>>
>> Elton Lance
>> Vero Beach, FL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> I love it. Like riding on sunshine. 
>>
>> Like Leah, you and bike are color coordinated. And, you have the BEST 
>> reason for being absent from social media. 
>>
>> Roberta 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:06:52 PM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, this is the dream realized Yellow Platypus! And I have been very 
>>> very absent from social media because I cannot stop riding this bike!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on 
 Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming 
 for 
 weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike 
 (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight, 
 probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in 
 Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the 
 questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the 
 details. I’m so happy for her! 
 Leah

 On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and 
> wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or 
> so. 
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!
>>
>> Posting here for those without social media accounts
>>
>> Max
>> [image: 351013416_54772725404_237773184394501808_n.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[JAS]

Leah, I have no doubt you have all the skills to handle gravel riding on 
your Clem based on the way you've catapulted into group riding and your 
comfort with the mileage.  You're strong and capable; Clem is also strong 
and capable!  Relax and keep pedaling (sage advice and encouragement from 
my brother in our younger days riding in various difficult conditions).  Go 
for it!

RivSisters,
Joyce

On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-7 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Leah, I'm late to the party, but will say you've covered the bases. I ride 
> fenderless on my two mountain bikes (1000 mi. of aggressive single track a 
> year) and have no need for fenders there. If too wet I simply stay off the 
> trails to preserve them. 
> However, I set up my dedicated mixed-surface bike (Homer) and my touring 
> bike (Sam) with metal fenders back in 2013 and like them for all the 
> reasons stated by the others. The touring bike sees lots of rail trails.
> I can attest that the PDW breakaways do the job. I accidentally dropped 
> the front of the Sam down after removing the front tire while installing 
> the bike in my van and POP it released as promised. No damage since, as you 
> know, you can pop it back into place.
> Finally, yes, animal poop is not to be ignored. Back in the 1980's while 
> at a mountain bike event in WVa I joined in on a game of bike polo in a cow 
> pen (of all places). The next day, I had a pretty uncomfortable case of GI 
> tract infection from drinking from my water bottle. (This was before 
> hydration packs.) Until then, it was all fun and games.
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
> On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 4:15:22 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I love pavement. But I’ve been on two gravel rides in the last month and 
>> I rode a Platy either time and it wasn’t my favorite for that bike. But, I 
>> have my old 2019 52 cm Clem L, and it doesn’t have a dedicated purpose 
>> right now and shouldn’t that be the bike for rough and tough stuff like 
>> gravel? Also, my Platys are prisses. 
>>
>> BUT. I’m not good at gravel. I have no idea what the kids are doing these 
>> days. I have questions, and you have answers.
>>
>> 1. Can I keep my VO wavy fenders on a gravel bike? Here’s what I have, 
>> and they say up to 50 mm tire will fit:[image: IMG_5029.jpeg]
>> 2. Slick or knobby? I can’t even get a straight answer on this. Which is 
>> better? If it matters about the rider, this will be for a rider with a 
>> healthy fear of crashing.
>>
>> 3. How wide? I have 42s on my bikes now and I don’t feel like they are 
>> wide enough. 
>>
>> 4. Tubeless or no? These wheels are tubeless-compatible but I put a tube 
>> in them because I wasn’t riding enough to keep the sealant circulating. But 
>> that can be changed right quick.
>>
>> Here is my Clem in its current configuration, and yes, I know the 
>> Backabikes gotta go. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_1812.jpeg]
>> Thanks for your help!
>> Leah 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[JAS]

Leah, 
You are going to have so much fun!!  Your Clem looks stunning, as always, 
but even more ready for gravel with the new tires.  I love those fenders 
too.  I put Rene Herse Juniper Ridge 48s on my Clem over a year ago and 
what a difference!  I now can ride the wet trails with confidence because 
I'm not slipping through the muddy spots.  They're plenty wide for the dirt 
and gravel trails I frequent and work fine on pavement which I have to ride 
to get to the trails.  Enjoy that big blue Clem and be sure to give us a 
review (and more photos, of course)!

RivSisters,
Joyce 

On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 8:09:10 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> 
> Well, today was the day. After verifying (thanks, friends) that my rims 
> would take 48s, I went to the bike shop and asked for gravel tires. A 52 cm 
> Clem will look like this in your rear backup camera:
> [image: image5.jpeg]
>
> I had looked at the one thousand “embarrassment of riches” tire choices 
> championed here and I was…overwhelmed. Maybe this tire didn’t come in 650b 
> or it did, but not in 48. Or yes, this one does but it’s out of stock. I 
> don’t know how much gravel riding I’m going to be doing; I just want wider 
> tires that could be good on gravel and to keep my fenders (they’re pretty. 
> They keep dust off my stuff.) so I decided to trust the bike shop. It took 
> them all of 5 seconds to hand me a pair of Gravel King SS tires in 650b and 
> in 48mm.
>
> I asked about the conditions of my old tires. How do you see wear on a 
> slick? The old tires were Gravel Kings and there isn’t a good wear 
> indicator. But, the tires had lots of cracking and they told me it was time 
> for new tires. It feels good to know you wore something out. 
>
> I didn’t expect the bike for a few days but they had those tires on there 
> lickety-split. Had I known, I would have stayed to watch them work on my 
> bike. You know how there are always guys sitting on stools in bike shops, 
> chatting with the mechanics as they work? I always want to be those guys 
> but I feel like I will be underfoot and out of place like somebody’s 
> tagalong sister, so I scurry out of there and wait for my summons. One day 
> I will be brave…
>
> The text came through right as I was heading home from my Costco run. Leah 
> Peterson, come get your bike! Here are the glamour shots.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> I do not think these tires look much wider than the 42s previously on the 
> rim, but they do feel better, more sure-footed. I did not have a LOT of 
> time to try them out as I had a hot date tonight. We took a neighborhood 
> trail (dirt) and a tiny stretch of gravel. I like the tread, don’t you? 
> There’s a lot going on here. 
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> And for those of you who will want to see the stats with your own eyes, I 
> included the image below. Please ignore the missing orange ano valve stem 
> cap. I cannot ever, EVER, leave a bike shop without some sort of calamity. 
> Every time I pick my bike up from a bike shop, I will have to go back a 
> second time. My personal record is 3 trips in one day. Could be anything. 
> Something they forgot to do. Something they installed wrong. Today it was 
> something they forgot to put back - this cap. And they also forgot to 
> tighten up my brakes, but I didn’t mention that. This cap was specially 
> anodized to go with this fun wheelset from Analog, so I had to have it 
> back. 
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> I have resolved that I am going to ride this bike more often. I love the 
> Platys, maybe too much, but I also have great affection for the big blue 
> Clem and it needs more miles. The tires are tubeless compatible, so I may 
> switch it to tubeless if I find myself riding it a lot more.
> [image: image3.jpeg]
>
> I’m really excited to have breathed some new life into this old friend. 
> The bike is very dear to me, which is why I have never sold it, even though 
> it got ridden the least out of my trio. Clems are having their moment in 
> the bike world. Everywhere I look, people (mostly men) are raving about the 
> Clem L. They are plastered all over Instagram. Featured in the cool kids’ 
> magazine, Calling In Sick, the Clem had its own issue. It’s great to see 
> the Clems held in high esteem because most men weren’t thrilled about this 
> model in 2015. So, I feel fortunate to have one of my own, set up a little 
> bit different from my pair of Platys, so as to let me try some different 
> kinds of riding. 
>
> Thank you for all the help! I know much more now than when I first posted 
> the question.
> Leah
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2023, at 1:59 PM, Vincent Tamer  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I'll add my two cents now. I commute on my clem and ride gravel whenever I 
> can. I've had fenders on it nearly all the time I've had this bike and I've 
> taken it into some pretty rough spots that I would say are just outside of 
> gravel such as riding on old train track. If it's still called gravel, it's 
> the coarsest 

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[JAS]

Clem L , 52cm, blue, $2000 with wood fenders and PDW rack 
Sequim, WA (pronounced "skwim")
https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/carlsborg-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-52cm/7620340306.html
On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 11:12:14 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> ATLANTIS 2
> 61cm
> 3000
> Santa Cruz, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-touring/7618050500.html
>
>
> SAM HILLBORNE
> 62cm
> 2500
> Oakland, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-sam-hillborne-basket/7620769749.html
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[RBW] FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[JAS]

Roadini, 61cm
$2400, Orange!
Seattle, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-large-road-bike-rivendell/7611983345.html

Romulus, 24"
$850
Bellingham, WA
https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-romulus/7613561566.html

Legolas, 59cm
$3400
Portland, OR area
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7612121082.html

Atlantis, 61cm
$2500
Port Townsend, WA
https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/nordland-rivendell-atlantis-61cm/7606421089.html

Appaloosa, 56cm
$2000
Portland, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7610380104.html

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[RBW] Re: Book Recommendation: The United States of Adventure

[JAS]

Thank you for this recommendation, Leah!  After reading the short glimpse 
of the book on Amazon, Ann McNuff looks to be a very talented and 
entertaining writer.  It's also nice to find a travel "adventure" book 
written with a woman's perspective.  I'm ordering it!

RivSisters!
Joyce

On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 8:06:34 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’ve been sad about our temperamental weather here in southwest Michigan. 
> After a perfectly sublime week of 70-something temps that set off our 
> tulips and daffodils and flowering trees, we are back to drizzly weather 
> topping out in the 40s. I’m freezing over here. I have an Apple Watch tan 
> line but am back to wearing a parka. Make it make sense. 
>
> Anyway, if you can’t have your real adventures I suppose you can read 
> about someone else’s. I stumbled across The United States of Adventure by 
> Anna McNuff and have been reading as Anna, a British woman in the corporate 
> world in her 20s, cycles her way through all 50 states. I will never cycle 
> through all 50 states, but it is fun to peer into the life of someone who 
> did.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Adventure-life-changing-journey/dp/1914074033
>
> Enjoy.
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: WTB - 51 or 55cm Cheviot

[JAS]

Gary, 
There's a Cheviot on the Portland, Oregon Craigslist, though it's listed as 
small/medium rather than a specific measurement.
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/bik/d/lake-oswego-rivendell-cheviot-bicycle/7603619142.html

Joyce
On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 4:05:30 PM UTC-7 Gary L wrote:

> A friend is looking for a Cheviot (51 or 55). Let me know if anyone is 
> looking to find a new home for theirs.
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[JAS]

Eric, I had a similar set-back problem with my Platypus.  Since I prefer 
Selle Anatomica saddles, I ordered a new one for Platy in the pretty light 
tan color only to discover that the new ones with aluminum rails have a 
shorter rail length than the steel rails.  I wanted to use my Nitto S-83 
seatpost and couldn't get the set-back I needed so after a chat with Grant 
regarding various seat post and saddle combinations, I returned it to SA 
for the original style (no badge).  A proper set-back was accomplished. 

Although my solution was the SA saddle, how your bike looks and feels to 
*you* is critical!  I hope you find a pleasing solution.  

Joyce

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:03:42 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> 27.2 Seat Tube Reamer + Nitto S84:
>
> [image: Seat Tube Reamer s.jpg] [image: B72side s.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I can’t tell you how many times I’ve raised my fist in the air and cursed 
>> the decision of the 26.8 seatpost.
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>> FWIW Leah, The Kalloy post that Riv includes with frames already has 
>> 25mm of setback and the model 602 has 24mm. They don't make one with any 
>> more than that, and some less. A few mm's plus or minus is hardly worthy of 
>> a new post.There's very few posts with more setback than 25mm in any 
>> diameter, in 26.8 even less. Seatpost specs is something I took a deep dive 
>> in when trying to find suitable 26.8 posts. It isn't pretty. Life is so 
>> much easier with 27.2 posts !
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pamela Murray: Bike Hero

[JAS]

Pam, you are an inspiration!  Thank you for all the encouragement and 
instruction for riders of all abilities.  I thoroughly enjoyed the video 
and your message.  

Leah, thank you for sharing the video.

--Joyce

On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 8:21:01 AM UTC-7 Stephanie A. wrote:

> Pam! What wonderful work you do! So many people have understandable fears 
> associated with riding, and you're really doing the work of helping to 
> reduce those and bring people into riding.
> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:26:53 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Kudos to Pam! +1 that errand riding with a goal in mind, even if this 
>> means extending a 1 mile shopping rt into a 20 mile loop, is the best 
>> riding, IMO.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 12:05 PM Tom Goodmann  wrote:
>>
>>> Here is further recent acknowledgment of Pam: 
>>> https://www.planetbike.com/blog/meet-our-winter-super-commuter-pamela-murray-/
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Possibly ISO/WTB single speed Brompton in good condition

[JAS]

Patrick, there are several  Bromptons on the Seattle Craigslist.  I don't 
know if they are your size.

--Joyce

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 5:39:49 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Scouting options at this point. Just curious if anyone has a very simple 
> model in good condition for sale and, if so, what is condition and how much 
> is it? For last- single speed but will consider 3 speed; prefer no derailleurs. 
>
> Can you fixify Brompton drivetrains?
>
> What do you have?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[JAS]

My apologies for not adding all of the links, but if you're looking for a 
used Riv, check out the Seattle and Portland Craigslists.  Here's one link 
and a summary, 
some of which have been shared earlier.

58cm Atlantis, Seattle CL:  
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-atlantis-58/7600957973.html

Also on Seattle CL:  
56cm Susie
58cm Homer
59cm Legolas
60cm Sam (Vancouver BC)

Portland CL:
56cm Joe Appa
59cm (XL) Susie
59cm Clem Low

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:58:18 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> PSA 64 Clem L: https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3583716/
>
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 10:46:50 PM UTC-4 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> Yep - I totally get what y'all are saying and I'm not sure why I posted 
>> here versus a separate thread. I was laid up with a head cold today and I 
>> blame the medicine.
>>
>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:20:37 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think anybody minds a self-post here, but I agree if you're 
>>> selling a Riv you might as well create your own listing so more Rivsters 
>>> will see it. I tend to lose track of what's in this thread. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:12:36 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>
 I don't know if there is a rule against this, but why not just create a 
 new FS post for your AHH?  I could have sworn there was a message against 
 selling non-Rivs, but I am not certain on that atm.  

 Best regards,
 Matt in Oswego, IL

 On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:46:18 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:

> Is it cool to shamelessly include our own craigslist listings? Selling 
> my MIT AHH in Seattle from the 2019 run (I replaced it with a sam). Would 
> prefer to keep it local. I I'm also selling a Crust Romanceur frame size 
> M 
> if anyone is in the market which I could ship. Love the bike, just too 
> small. 
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-homer-hilsen-58cm/7600316685.html
>
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 5:57:37 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 01616_bnemBujwvCA_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>> Nice Saluki. Here's a picture for reference after the post is 
>> deleted. 
>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 6:29:28 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> NOS Saluki on Eugene OR Craiglist. Looks beautiful. 
>>>
>>> $2500
>>>
>>>
>>> https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/eugene-nos-58cm-rivendell-saluki-650b/7600024758.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 2:41 AM Russell Duncan  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not that it’s too difficult to scroll to the bottom of the for sale 
 posting list, how about the next person to post here does so under a 
 new 
 heading such as:Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Late Winter 
 edition, 2023, or whatever is to your liking

 Russell Duncan
 Connecticut River Valley, MA USA
 On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:34:56 AM UTC-5 Nick in Sac wrote:

> For sale is my former Roadini. Bought it and it turned out to be 
> too big for me, looks like it is being sold by the guy who purchased 
> it 
> from me.
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/584646726892255/?ref=browse_tab_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks
>
> On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-7 
> mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Clem Smith JR
>> 52cm
>> 1,200
>> SF,CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7592901709.html
>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-8 
>> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 331260312_5892573310828901_6836777437665179310_n.jpg]
>>>
>>> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS
>>> 62cm
>>> $1,200
>>> Vienna, VA
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/953093402735635/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: s-l1600.jpg]

 Paging brendonoid! 

 Rivendell custom cyclocross
 58cm
 $2,800 USD / $4,000 AUD (plus shipping) 
 Melbourne, Australia 

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/334623181381

 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 12:15:57 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer 
 wrote:

> The Platypus above is sold. It is in my garage now.
> Tom
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 2:12:57 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard 
> wrote:
>
>> 62cm double-tube Appaloosa in SF Bay. This is either 
>> 

[RBW] Re: Riv Atlantis - first build

[JAS]

Congrats on your Atlantis!  The blue is so pretty and you've done an artful 
job of outfitting it with lots of blue blingy parts.  It's a blue-lover's 
canvas.  Enjoy this beautiful ride!

Joyce

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:00:07 PM UTC-7 gsna...@gmail.com wrote:

> My first bike build ended up being a Rivendell Atlantis in blue. And since 
> I was building it up from the frame and got to pick parts, most other 
> things in blue as well. 
>
> I have a Clem that is my usual commuter, so I don't *need* one... but I'd 
> wanted an Atlantis since college... which is an embarrassingly long time 
> ago. I finally decided to get one last year but as fate would have it, I 
> was traveling and camping when they went on sale, and by the time I was 
> back home, they were all out of both the 50 and 53cm. I reminded myself how 
> much like moldy bread the Russian Submarine green looks in person, but that 
> was just sour grapes.Then this popped up in a comment on facebook... I 
> messaged the owner, asked he was serious about selling and did the deal in 
> a few days.
>
> The original owner had ordered a Joe Appa but it was damaged in shipping, 
> and Riv didn't have a spare in his size, so painted an Atlantis in the Appa 
> colorway at the time apparently. Also why it has Atlantis 2 decals.
>
> VO rims with a Shutter Precision dynamo in the front, and White industries 
> hub in the back, running 650b x 2.1 Terravail Sparwoods
> Paul Motolites with Love levers
> 38/24 Silver double with a Microshift Marvo FD
> Shimano Altus on a 11-36 cassette
> Silver shifters
> Tosco 60cm bars
> Nitto lugged stem
> Ergon GS1 Evo grips
> VP Vice pedals
> Cambium C17
> and a Tubus Cosmo rack
> [image: DSC02230-2.jpg][image: DSC02231-2.jpg][image: DSC02235-2.jpg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

[JAS]

Kim, thanks for the tip about the parks pass.

Joyce
On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 11:21:24 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Joyce,
>
> You will need a Discovery Pass for the parking lot at Hyak. Not sure about 
> Rattlesnake Lake.
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 10:32 AM JAS  wrote:
>
>> Kim,
>> Thanks for the story about the John Wayne trail.  Your daughter will 
>> preserve those memories even if she isn't riding a bike now.  Good for you!
>>
>> I've often thought about riding that trail and now I'm going to look into 
>> it!  It will be especially fun if I can talk a couple of friends into going 
>> so we can leave cars at each end to avoid the uphill return.  I think I'll 
>> be more persuasive if I focus on the downhill aspect!  '
>>
>> Have a good time with your buddies and I hope you'll give us a ride 
>> report with photos.  Are you camping at Lake Easton SP or just doing the 
>> round-trip in one day?  Regardless of the plan, your Clem will shine.
>>
>> --Joyce
>>
>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:05:33 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:04:05 AM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to share with this group my influence of bicycle riding 
>>>> with one of two of my daughters; my youngest. 
>>>>
>>>> I have no guilt whatsoever in my case. I just have joy and happiness 
>>>> for all the good times that we shared in our bicycle adventures together 
>>>> during a period of when my daughter was in high school. Strong and solid 
>>>> memories were built.
>>>>
>>>> One of our greatest and most fun adventures was riding 22 miles 
>>>> downhill on The John Wayne Pioneer Trail located in Washington state going 
>>>> from Hyak at the summit at Snoqualmie Pass near Interstate 90 to 
>>>> Rattlesnake Lake. It was the Old Milwaukee railroad line that was active 
>>>> up 
>>>> until the 1980's from Chicago to Seattle. Now, it is a recreational trail 
>>>> for hikers, bicyclists and horses that goes across the Washington state to 
>>>> Spokane and beyond. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/7022864/john-wayne-pioneer-trail-hyak-to-rattlesnake-lake
>>>>
>>>> My daughter and I did this ride three different times back in 2010, 
>>>> 2011 and 2012. One of those years, we did the ride with a group; Mountains 
>>>> to Sound Green Trust, a conservatory non-profit organization. 
>>>>
>>>> https://mtsgreenway.org/
>>>>
>>>> I sure did not like the idea of my bicycle; 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn, being 
>>>> tossed in and meshed up with other bicycles in the cargo hold of a large 
>>>> bus. My bike came out with scratches on the top tube. Ouch ! Was not going 
>>>> to do that anymore. Very unhappy !
>>>>
>>>> This coming June, I am planning on doing the ride again. However, I am 
>>>> going with two male friends of mine riding from Hyak to Lake Easton and 
>>>> back to Hyak. Then, we are going to ride from Hayk to Rattlesnake Lake. 
>>>> I'm 
>>>> looking forward to riding my Clem smiling loudly 22 miles downhill !  Woo 
>>>> woo. 
>>>>
>>>> My daughter does not ride her bicycles any more. She has taken another 
>>>> direction in her life. We still connect with one each other once a week 
>>>> going on long walks with her dog; keeping the father and daughter bond 
>>>> alive. I am very grateful for that.
>>>>
>>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

[JAS]

Kim,
Thanks for the story about the John Wayne trail.  Your daughter will 
preserve those memories even if she isn't riding a bike now.  Good for you!

I've often thought about riding that trail and now I'm going to look into 
it!  It will be especially fun if I can talk a couple of friends into going 
so we can leave cars at each end to avoid the uphill return.  I think I'll 
be more persuasive if I focus on the downhill aspect!  '

Have a good time with your buddies and I hope you'll give us a ride report 
with photos.  Are you camping at Lake Easton SP or just doing the 
round-trip in one day?  Regardless of the plan, your Clem will shine.

--Joyce

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:05:33 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:04:05 AM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> I would like to share with this group my influence of bicycle riding with 
>> one of two of my daughters; my youngest. 
>>
>> I have no guilt whatsoever in my case. I just have joy and happiness for 
>> all the good times that we shared in our bicycle adventures together during 
>> a period of when my daughter was in high school. Strong and solid memories 
>> were built.
>>
>> One of our greatest and most fun adventures was riding 22 miles downhill 
>> on The John Wayne Pioneer Trail located in Washington state going from Hyak 
>> at the summit at Snoqualmie Pass near Interstate 90 to Rattlesnake Lake. It 
>> was the Old Milwaukee railroad line that was active up until the 1980's 
>> from Chicago to Seattle. Now, it is a recreational trail for hikers, 
>> bicyclists and horses that goes across the Washington state to Spokane and 
>> beyond. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/7022864/john-wayne-pioneer-trail-hyak-to-rattlesnake-lake
>>
>> My daughter and I did this ride three different times back in 2010, 2011 
>> and 2012. One of those years, we did the ride with a group; Mountains to 
>> Sound Green Trust, a conservatory non-profit organization. 
>>
>> https://mtsgreenway.org/
>>
>> I sure did not like the idea of my bicycle; 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn, being 
>> tossed in and meshed up with other bicycles in the cargo hold of a large 
>> bus. My bike came out with scratches on the top tube. Ouch ! Was not going 
>> to do that anymore. Very unhappy !
>>
>> This coming June, I am planning on doing the ride again. However, I am 
>> going with two male friends of mine riding from Hyak to Lake Easton and 
>> back to Hyak. Then, we are going to ride from Hayk to Rattlesnake Lake. I'm 
>> looking forward to riding my Clem smiling loudly 22 miles downhill !  Woo 
>> woo. 
>>
>> My daughter does not ride her bicycles any more. She has taken another 
>> direction in her life. We still connect with one each other once a week 
>> going on long walks with her dog; keeping the father and daughter bond 
>> alive. I am very grateful for that.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

[JAS]

Oh my gosh, Leah...these are a riot.  What's even funnier is your plan to 
add the evidence to the graduation slide show; he'll really love that!

Your dog wasn't being tortured; he was happy to be there in whatever way he 
could smush his body into the backpack or basket.  Happy to be with his 
people and not left behind.  

To all who have "tortured" their kids and significant others with rides 
that were too long or bikes that weren't up to snuff, forgive yourselves!  
They had bikes and you made time to ride together.  Good for bonding, fresh 
air and fun.  My hat is off to you!

--Joyce

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:55:05 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I hope you laugh. This is us, taking our kids on a bike ride, and we 
> discovered this track. There were kids doing real BMX stuff and then there 
> was…us. With our Specialized 24 inch bike, full rack and basket. The 
> dreaded triangle clipped to the blissful, unsuspecting child’s back. What 
> did we think we were doing? Who did we think we were? How much restraint 
> did those older kids possess that they did not laugh us off their track? 
>
> I’ve silenced the video to spare you our commentary, but if the sound was 
> on you would also hear my child’s delighted squeals. He had a lot of fun. 
> He looked like a dork. And he had a lot of fun. I will play this on a 
> running loop at his graduation open house. So help me, I will.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[JAS]

Leah, way to go, RivSister!  Bravery counts; good job stepping out of your 
comfort zone and encouraging others to do the same by your example.  

Thanks to everyone who posted resources for learning more mechanic skills.  
Park Tools has been a good source; now I'm going to check out  RJ the bike 
guy.  I usually have to watch a "how to" video numerous times, then take 
the iPad to my bike and stop/start to make sure I'm going step-by-step 
correctly.   

I'm looking forward to the "Ask Leah" thread!  Great idea.  With your 
writing skills and wit, and perhaps help from your personal videographer 
(son),  it's going to be  entertainment we'll relish during these grey, 
cold days of winter.  

--Joyce (still laughing over a Charlie Berens video I watched on 
YouTube...midwest humor at its best)
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 9:54:49 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Learning is always good, but in my opinion the first lesson to learn in 
> any new area of knowledge is just how badly one underestimated the 
> magnitude of what they did not know.  The stages are:
>
> 1. I know nothing and I'd like to know something 
> 2. I'll devote [small amount of time] to learn something and then 
> hopefully in [X amount of time] I can be an expert
> 3. Takes class, watches video for duration of [small amount of time]
> 4. Hoo boy, now I know something: I know that I knew a lot less than I 
> thought I knew!  Maybe it'll take 10X, or 100X, but it'll take a while to 
> figure that out!  Let's go!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:31:40 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is slow. 
>> The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of 
>> students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to 
>> bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work 
>> on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely 
>> patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend from 
>> my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his 
>> marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of 
>> scheming.)
>>
>> I digress! 
>>
>> He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, 
>> starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain 
>> ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on 
>> to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. 
>>
>> There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, a 
>> steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my 
>> raspberry Platypus. We all had V brakes. They had indexed shifting and I 
>> had friction. When examining our bikes, we/he found several problems 
>> (though not on the Platypus because I drag that bike in for every little 
>> thing) that we then observed our teacher fix. I now know what a loose 
>> headset sounds like (the Trek). Though, ironically, if you hit my front 
>> wheel to elicit the sound, the German mirror will respond with an identical 
>> sound. There are some skills that I still see best left to the experts - 
>> wheel truing, for instance. I audibly gasped when he took after the spokes 
>> of a wheel to mess them up for demonstration. I am leaving my new spoke 
>> wrench in the packaging because no good can come from that thing.
>>
>> I am still not brave enough to do a lot with tools to my bike, but I’m 
>> working on it. I like that some of the mystery was taken out of it all and 
>> I can see how parts work. Do I dare disclose here some of what I thought 
>> beforehand? Oh, fine. I thought a wheel out of true meant they had to bend 
>> a rim back into place. I had NO idea spokes were the culprit, nor did I 
>> know you could adjust them.  And so on and so forth.
>>
>> Our mechanic was so encouraging and told us we should experiment at home 
>> - don’t worry, he assured us, you won’t break anything. But I wonder if he 
>> will feel the same when I show up with my collection of redundant 
>> Rivendells; pieces and parts left over and collected after rolling around 
>> on my garage floor. “I have been fixing my bike and now it won’t work.” 
>>
>> Anyway, it’s a small step of self-betterment and I’ll keep walking that 
>> direction. I’m sure some of you out there can relate.
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[JAS]

The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well made 
and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have 
fenders).

Joyce

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:

> We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
>> Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
>> hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
>> isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[JAS]

Kim, there's a blue 59 Clem L on the Portland Craigslist for you though 
it's a fully built bike. 
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7583972221.html
 

--Joyce
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> Both. I wanted to use a Chocomoose handlebar set-up on the XL Susie and it 
> felt too stretched out for me when I was checking different options for the 
> build that never happened. A 88 PBH put me high and low for these two 
> sizes. Ended up with a few extra stem/bar combinations.
>
> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 17:22:41 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So was the XL a reach for you (bad pun) or are you truly between sizes?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>>
>> I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they 
>> certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm 
>> effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. They 
>> used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm top 
>> tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have listed on 
>>> here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super nice Paul! I’m 
>>> glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>>
 I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale that 
 I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm Susie from 
 the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to pass the 
 bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. Thanks, Paul

 On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:

> All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. 
>
> There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it 
> sounds like they'll be discontinued all together.
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 r.ha...@live.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike which 
>> was a lugged 1983 Specialized Expedition (kinda like a Homer) but what I 
>> really wanted was a step through frame. I initial wanted (and still do) 
>> was 
>> a 52cm Clem Smith L with ATB qualities. After building, I realized the 
>> Gus 
>> not really step through but its okay, I still enjoy it. Also, I thought 
>> all 
>> Gus/Susie are filet brazed, are they not?
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ron, judging from the pic your Gus looks to be one of filet brazed 
>>> models?  Nicely done build! I've been thinking about a Homer, but more 
>>> and 
>>> more the ATB qualities of the Gus/Susie and even the Platypus are 
>>> looking 
>>> attractive, and I think would be a better successor for my hard tail 
>>> carbon 
>>> fiber MTB that I've decided to part ways with.
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-5 r.ha...@live.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 First time Riv owner here sharing pics of my Gus build. I had lots 
 of inspiration from the Blue Lug website 
 . I have 
 only rode it a few miles though and still trying to get the squeal out 
 of 
 the brakes. So far so fun!

 https://photos.app.goo.gl/nWnCevTy8pV3AKNZ7
 [image: IMG_3291.JPG]
 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:59:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard 
 wrote:

> Richard, that is a fine and lovely bicycle. Enjoy! 
>
> Joe "I want one" Bernard 
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 
> rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> You all are right. I just got my wheels / tires and got my first 
>> good look at this rig in person. The bb is much higher than I 
>> anticipated - 
>> within 1/2 centimeter of my full suspension MTB (for sale:)).
>> This beast should be a hoot.
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> I run a 172 on my Susie and it is plenty high with the 2.5” for 
>> some pretty chunky terrain. I have a 170 on my Clem with 2” and it 
>> is about 
>> an inch lower. These bikes are so long that I understand wanting a 
>> bit more 
>> clearance but if a 170 is comfortable I think the bike is high 
>> enough to 
>> pedal through anything these bikes can pedal through. I’m still 
>> getting 
>> used to the Susie as a 

Re: [RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[JAS]

OOPS!  I got the colors reversedClem H is dark green, Platy is 
lime-olive.  Sorry.

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:17:06 PM UTC-8 JAS wrote:

> CLEM H  59cm  $1500  Eugene, OR
>   lime-olive color
>   
> https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/eugene-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7571155810.html
>  
>
> PLATYPUS frameset  60cm  $1637  Eugene, OR
>   looks like the dark green color
>   
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-new-rivendell-60cm-platypus/7580365799.html
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:19:55 AM UTC-8 Keith Weaver wrote:
>
>> There's a small (48 cm), red(!) Hillborne in the Bay Area that I'm trying 
>> to resist buying myself. I think it may be a bit small for me with my 79 cm 
>> PBH, and not quite what I need to replace my Disc Trucker. I'm trying to 
>> hold out until the next batch of Appaloosas. 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-red-48cm-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7578783667.html
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:40 AM MCT  wrote:
>>
>>> There is a 61cm Waterford A. Homer Hilsen for sale on Paceine for $1,000
>>>
>>> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=291519
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[JAS]

CLEM H  59cm  $1500  Eugene, OR
  lime-olive color
  
https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/eugene-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7571155810.html
 

PLATYPUS frameset  60cm  $1637  Eugene, OR
  looks like the dark green color
  
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-new-rivendell-60cm-platypus/7580365799.html
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:19:55 AM UTC-8 Keith Weaver wrote:

> There's a small (48 cm), red(!) Hillborne in the Bay Area that I'm trying 
> to resist buying myself. I think it may be a bit small for me with my 79 cm 
> PBH, and not quite what I need to replace my Disc Trucker. I'm trying to 
> hold out until the next batch of Appaloosas. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-red-48cm-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7578783667.html
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:40 AM MCT  wrote:
>
>> There is a 61cm Waterford A. Homer Hilsen for sale on Paceine for $1,000
>>
>> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=291519
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[RBW] Re: A report on my new leather saddle

[JAS]

Kim,
Way to go!  Congrats on getting the saddle you wanted.  It's always a bonus 
to get a piece of gear that makes riding a pleasure.  Many miles to you!

--Joyce

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yesterday, I received in the mail from a purchase I made from a RBW member 
> a Selle Anotomica H1 black gun metal leather saddle. He gave me a real good 
> deal on it. It had not been ridden with some blemishes on the saddle. This 
> is my first Selle Anatomica saddle. 
>
> My Brooks B67S saddle was hurting my seat bones. Have I become older ? 
> ...or has my butt gotten more bony ? I rode 14 miles last week. I had to 
> stop occasionally and rest. Needless to say, it was very annoying. 
>
> Today, I hung up the Brooks saddle. I installed my Selle Anatomica H1 
> saddle on my PAUL Tall & Handsome seat post. Test rode the saddle to dial 
> it in to my comfort between my garage and up and down the street about six 
> or seven times. 
>
> Guess what ? it truly is a "hammock for my butt" !  
>
> It is quite comfortable. I think I can see myself riding longer distances 
> with more smiles.
>
> Less rain in the forecast for next week. Time to ride more.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[JAS]

Compliments to  you for helping your RivSister friend get a bike that 
fits!  Having coached a few timid riders recently, I have a these 
suggestions:

1.  Index shifters with numbers or an indicator regarding gear "size" help 
new riders learn to shift without too much to think about.  Trying to 
understand low/high or easy/hard gear selection is mind-numbing to someone 
new to shifting.  Keeping it simple at first is best; if your friend finds 
out she loves riding, she'll be ready to learn the finer points of shifting 
and possibly move to friction later.  Learning to anticipate a shift to a 
lower/easier gear for a hill goes well if a coach (friend) rides along and 
suggests when to shift.

2.  Put the seat down low enough for  her to put her feet on the ground at 
first, if possible.  Even though that is contraindicated for good leg 
position while pedaling, it instills confidence when stopping.  As 
confidence increases, the saddle height can be raised.  Learning to stop is 
a complex skill.  Think of everything you  do which feels like second 
nature to an experienced rider.start braking, put your weight on one 
foot, shift weight off of the saddle, step onto the ground while modulating 
the brake levers to a full and hopefully gentle, full stop.

3.  Something you're probably already addressing is to make sure she has a 
way to carry some stuff via a rack/bag to make adventuring more fun.

Good luck!   
--Joyce


On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 7:51:07 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Oh, and HAHAHA, of course Riv has the Claris 8 speed rapid fire shifter in 
> stock.
>
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:49:46 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mike and Scott for the tip on the v brake setup. I'll give it a go 
>> as is, and it probably won't be a problem.
>>
>> And David, Joe, Scott - thanks for the input. Buying a rapid fire shifter 
>> and 8 speed cassette was really my first inclination, but it's getting 
>> harder to find 8 speed rapid fire stuff, at least at the usual places. I 
>> bit the bullet and went to ebay and of course everything I need is readily 
>> available for cheap, like $30 bucks all in for the shifter and cassette.
>>
>> As to my friend's preferences ... she says she has no idea what she 
>> likes, and I believe her. She's never ridden a bike that fits, so she's 
>> never been comfortable enough to even think about the shifters. Even my 
>> wife's 45cm Clem L was a smidge too big; the seat had to be all the way 
>> down for her to even reach the bottom of the pedal stroke. A shorter seat 
>> would solve that but it'd still be at the limit. This Specialized will get 
>> the existing seat down below 60cm from the bottom bracket, so she'll be 
>> able to lower it enough to get a toe on the ground when she stops, which I 
>> know will make her feel more comfortable. I'm even concerned the that 
>> Albatross bars won't come back far enough for her and I'll have to source 
>> some Boscos (which is what she loved the most about my wife's Clem anyway). 
>> But that's going to be determined after she actually rides this with the 
>> parts I have for a bit. She's been through like 5 bikes that are too big 
>> and at this point there's no use throwing good money after bad, until we 
>> know it's small enough and functional.
>>
>> Even so, I'll always wonder whether she would have like friction bar ends 
>> better :)
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 8:01:40 PM UTC-6 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Go with Joe's wisdom...
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 6:44 PM, Joe Bernard
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> My inclination fron your parts options is to try the 3x RapidFire on the 
>>> front (it may work with that derailer) and buy an 8-speed RapidFire for 
>>> your Altus rear derailer and an 8-speed cassette. But it would help a lot 
>>> to know what system she's used to. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:03:26 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
>>> What do y'all think about putting friction bar end shifters on Albatross 
>>> bars for a new rider?
>>>
>>> I'm just looking for opinions since I'm stumped on this build.
>>>
>>> My options are more-or-less indexed or friction 9 speed Microshift 
>>> thumbies, friction bar ends, or buy some rapid fire shifters.
>>>
>>> I (selfishly) want to keep the thumbies for a different build for 
>>> myself. And I'd have to buy a set of rapid fire shifters - which has its 
>>> own problems (derrailer/cassette mismatching ...).
>>>
>>> So I want to know - Do you think a new rider would be irritated by 
>>> friction bar ends?
>>>
>>> Here's the long story:
>>>
>>> I have a very short friend (4'11" - PBH is 72). If money and 
>>> availability were no object, I'd buy her a 45cm Clem and be done with it, 
>>> but I can't do that myself, and she'd 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[JAS]

I'm like Roberta; I take care of my stuff and try hard to overcome the 
desire to keep everything in like-new condition by "saving" items for 
special times.  Sometimes I have to take a breath and have a little 
self-talk when it comes to my Rivs.  "It's OK, it's just a bike.  It's 
meant to get dirty.  It will be fine on the bike rack."  This was repeated 
many times when taking my dear Platypus on the rack for the first time,  
knowing I had a five-hour drive and Platy would be covered in road grime.  
This is even worse when the weather is snotty.  However, I've figured out 
to cover the saddle and just live with the rest. Cleaning rags are 
essential gear and besides, it's more important to ride the bike, dirty or 
not.

Theft is always at the back of my mind, especially when I found out how 
easy it is to cut a lock.  It has happened twice.  I went on a summer 
camping trip and left the keys to my 1Up rack at home.  A handy camp-host 
with a cordless grinder made quick work of it.  Another time, I used my 
OttoLock at the grocery store rack.  The combination dial failed, so I went 
next door to the hardware store to borrow a bolt cutter.  The kind clerk 
brought one out and cut the lock with one snip!  Lessons learnedbut 
still, I lock it up with my new lock and smile broadly when I come out of 
the grocery store, see that beautiful design and relish the honesty of 
humanity.  

Joyce
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:34:12 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> This got me thinking about most of my possessions. I take care of what I 
> own and although careful, little is so precious that I won’t use something, 
> even my Rivs. (There was a time I wouldn’t use something because it was 
> “too nice” for everyday so I’d use it once a year or two, missing the joy 
> on the other days of the year.)  Still, I am careful. What I am more 
> concerned with is theft and road salt. 
>
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick, Dustin: don't worry too much about me. -20 and calmish around 
>> here is much preferable to the alternative of, say, 5 degrees with 80kmh 
>> winds. One way or the other, Patrick is correct: it's dry as can be in 
>> these parts. My coldest-feeling commutes were living near Toronto, where 
>> it's much wetter. I'm also not that hardcore - my buddy Andrew in Calgary 
>> (hi Andrew, he's in the group) is twice as hardcore when it comes to winter 
>> commutes, and in harsh winter places like Edmonton and Winnipeg there are 
>> some real maniacs, I think. 
>>
>> To your question, Patrick, I am large load capable with the Joe but the 
>> basket/rack combo is pretty light, and the bags usually aren't full. Often 
>> just a big U-lock in the saddle bag and my messenger in the basket. Today, 
>> not joking, I lost traction and did a 
>> slow-motion-almost-360-degree-pirouette/donut on a parking lot ice sheet 
>> and stayed upright, so handling is fine! 
>>
>> Anyways, blah blah blah, I'm glad to be riding the Joe when I wouldn't 
>> have before. 
>>
>> Mack 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:20:41 PM UTC-7 joshm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Imo one of the saddest things you can write in a FS post is "barely 
>>> ridden"
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 6:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
 to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
 sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
 instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
 tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
 not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
 who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
 the bike for?

 I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
 favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
 bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do 
 guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping 
 and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and 
 then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike 
 Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry 
 Platy 
 damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta 
 said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will 
 expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. 

 Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her 
 bike is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of 
 rust cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and 
 the elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never 

Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[JAS]

Thank you for the photos and narratives!  It was really nice to put names 
with faces of our RivSisters & Brothers and hear all about the Expo 
Experience.  Joining you someday in Philly is probably not a possibility, 
but your reports allow one to live vicariously.  

Leah, you are such a talented writer.  I'm always thoroughly entertained 
whether on this forum or via Instagram.  Keep it up!  

Joyce 



On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 8:43:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Yay, our new sister! Have her get in this list or at least follow me 
> on Instagram (@bicyclebelledingding)!!! I think Pam sent me a photo of your 
> wife so I’m glad to know you’re on here. If she loves the Clem I dare say 
> she will love the Platy even more. I rode my Clem 21.9 miles yesterday in 
> total comfort the but Platy is even better. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[JAS]

Great photo, RivSisters!!  You're going to have so much fun.  More photos, 
please, for those of us wishing we could be there.

Joyce

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:27:05 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Heyyy look at you's! ‍♂️ Have fun!!!
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 7:23:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> The RivSisters are getting the party started. Ok, actually we went to bed 
>> but here is real, raw footage of three of us tonight. And tomorrow, there 
>> will be more of us. 
>>
>> Left to right: Pamela Murray, Leah Peterson, and Roberta Chase.
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 11:31 AM, JohnS  wrote:
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing everyone on Saturday! I'll be at the food 
>> court for 12:30 to say hello. Otherwise I'll be taking it all in and 
>> picking up my free gift from Will, when I say, "and I for one welcome our 
>> new insect overlords". LOL!
>>
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:25:50 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be riding to the Expo Sat 
>>> morning, doing a demo at 1:30 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> and riding to the Keystone Party 
>>> .  
>>> Details on PBE website.  Please come see me and ride w/me.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 6:36:39 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I got this update to the bike expo in my email today.  Lots of 
 information, including a press release:  
 https://madmimi.com/p/dc7ae41?pact=367096-170142516-11332754941-2829bc1df8e3bd915158a7aa4c23f05462633058
   


 From the press release, which you can read in full, embedded in the 
 above link.:

 "The exhibitor count is approaching all-time pre-pandemic highs... an 
 exhibitor list of 160 brands, up 40 percent over last year’s tentative 
 post-pandemic expo. Pre-event ticket sales have been very healthy too.

 "The popular PBE Food Court is back in the exhibition hall with the 
 same range of offerings as pre-pandemic."

 Want to meet at the Food Court around 12:30 for a meet and great?  You 
 know what Leah looks like.  You know what Pam looks like.  I am tall-ish 
 and have short white hair and will probably be near them.  

 Weather Saturday and Sunday:  low 41, high 63.  Sunny.  No rain.

 Contact me off list if you need anything local.

 Roberta




 On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 11:24:16 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I can't wait to meet ya'll  I'l be flying and boxing my bike 
> (Betty Foy).  I'll be doing a demo of what to carry on your bike and how 
> to 
> carry stuff and hope to give a presentation on ideas to build bike 
> community and culture.  I'll be helping w/a ride Sat mornining to the 
> Expo 
> and another from the Expo to the Keystone Bike Party Sat night.  I think 
> there's a Riv sisters Fri night ride brewing too - I guess guys will be 
> invited but will need to follow us.  I'm always up for a ride and have a 
> dyno so I ride all the time.  I'm not on the group all the time but I 
> check 
> email all the time.  Working on details, routes, etc.  But email me for 
> any 
> questions.  For example, Joe, just box the bike.  Watch the video on Riv. 
>  
> I think it's Emilio packing a bike to ship.  It's easy to pack and only 
> $30 
> like a checked bag.  I put the duffle bag backpack straps on so my hands 
> are free to carry the bike box to check it at the airport.  If I can do 
> it, 
> you can too.  I'm smaller than you.  
>
> Picture from last weeks 367 mile ride across NC on my Betty Foy.  p.s. 
> that's a My Little Pony I found.[image: IMG_5928.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 7:09:59 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe — I went to PBE for the first time last year. Not sure I'll make 
>> it this year. There are lots of vendors displaying all kinds of cycling 
>> related stuff: bike makers of all kinds, bag and luggage makers, tool 
>> makers and anything else you can think of. There are food, beer and 
>> coffee 
>> vendors as well. 
>>
>> Russ's video from PBE a few years ago 
>>  gives a pretty good 
>> idea of the flow of things. 
>>
>> I found it helpful to do a quick surface walk around all the booths 
>> and displays without stopping, then returning to check out booths that 
>> caught my attention. There is no end of stuff to dive into and people to 
>> chat with. 
>>
>> Things I'd check out this year: Rivendell, Paul Component, King Cage, 
>> Silca, Chapman Cycles, Fat Chance, 

Re: [RBW] How many Clem Smith Jr. "L" owners are in Washington state ?

[JAS]

Kim,
I’ve got a Clem L; getting together for a Clem ride would be fun!  I love 
the French bakery in Olympia. 

Joyce
Whidbey Island

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 6:51:32 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank-you, Richard for the encouragement and your humor this morning. I 
> appreciate it. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 6:47:15 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> There must be more than a few? I cannot be present for a ride but am 
>> always up for a conversation! I cannot stop riding or chatting about my 
>> “Low”.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am curious as to how many RBW List members own a Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
>> bicycle in Washington state ?
>>
>> How many of you live in and/or near Olympia or Tacoma with a Clem Smith 
>> Jr. "L" ?
>> I'm interested in sharing conversation and pictures with the possibility 
>> of riding together.
>>
>> Thank-you.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[JAS]

Leah, what a nice change!  Your bike is perfect.  I'm with Jason...3 
triangles on the back, just like he described.

Joyce

On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 6:23:30 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Yeah looks great!  The rear basket would look silly on the racing 
> platypus, but it just fits in with what this bike is for.  
>
> Hear me out on the triangle:  one orange triangle on the back of each 
> pannier, and the green one up on the basket for three (!) rear triangles 
> and nice symmetry. The Rons bag is already a giant safety triangle for the 
> front, effectively
>
> On Friday, 14 October 2022 at 18:14:18 UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looks good Leah! You’ve inspired me to try a switcheroo on my Rosco (of 
>> which I still need to post photos of on the group).
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I picked up my bike today. I had the work done yesterday but when I got 
>> home I realized the rear dyno light wasn’t illuminating. Back I went, and 
>> since the shop was working on the light, I begged them to fix the wiring 
>> job they had done. The wires were bunched up and zip tied with black zip 
>> ties right behind my head tube. Really unsightly. I brought my raspberry 
>> Platypus along to illustrate a beautiful wiring job. I told them I’d pay 
>> them all over again for labor (to their credit, they tried not to accept, 
>> but I think it was fair to pay again because they were redoing the wiring 
>> for cosmetic reasons) if we could just mirror the red bike’s wiring. They 
>> studied the racing Platypus and snapped some photos. Then, they got to 
>> work. 
>>
>> There was some problem with the connection for the rear light, so they 
>> replaced it. And there was an extra connection behind the headlight, so 
>> they eliminated it. They zip-tied the wires to the cables that run 
>> alongside the down tube. They secured the extra wire near the kickstand 
>> plate instead of by the pretty lugs at the head tube. Nice and hidden. This 
>> is not the bike I’m precious about, but I still like it to look pretty. The 
>> shop did a really nice job; I bet they will do their zip ties to the cables 
>> from now on. There really isn’t any drawback that I can see and it is so 
>> aesthetically pleasing. If I ever get access to mint-colored zip ties I’ll 
>> replace the black ones.
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> [image: image9.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> Here it is, bare naked:
>> [image: image8.jpeg]
>>
>> I put the basket on the rack and hung the bags. It feels very different 
>> without the weight on the front end, but I think I love it. I have had zero 
>> time to ride tonight, but should weather cooperate, I’ll test it out this 
>> weekend. I really, REALLY love that I no longer deal with wheel flop. 
>>
>> [image: image4.jpeg]
>>
>> The reflector on the side of the Ron’s bag needs a new home. To be 
>> determined.
>> [image: image5.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>
>> Thanks for all your help and posts on this thread! It is fun to 
>> reconfigure a bike in ways that might better serve.
>> Leah 
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Joe, isn’t it the truth? I got it all put right now, I think! More on 
>> that later. I’m headed out to dinner…
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2022, at 3:36 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Someday a bike shop is going to put one of your bikes back together 
>> properly. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but that day will come.  
>>
>> On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 7:23:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I got my bike done today at the shop and it has made a huge difference 
>>> in ease of lifting it onto the rack. I didn’t get far with setting it up 
>>> again because when I got home I realized the rear dyno light isn’t working 
>>> now. She shop had to mess with the dyno wiring and something is likely off, 
>>> but I can’t see what. Also, they wadded up the wire and zip tied it to the 
>>> top tube, near that pretty head tube lug and it’s hideous. I will beg them 
>>> (and pay them again) to wire that bike more classily. My other bike is a 
>>> perfect example, so maybe I bring that in as a guide. 
>>>
>>> But, once I get these details handled, I do think I’m going to love the 
>>> improvements. Photos to come!
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:29:17 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 That's because your romanceur is a low trail bike with 36mm of trail as 
 opposed to the 55-60mm on typical Rivendell bikes.  Conversely, that's why 
 the Romanceur won't ride well without a front load!  That makes bikes like 
 that a specialized item as opposed as a bike meant for general riding that 
 can be used for both carrying a load and riding without one.

 On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:01:15 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I ran a porteur rack and large basket on my romanceur and never 
> noticed the weight. 

[RBW] Re: Saddle Cover Issue w/Saddlebag

[JAS]

Thank you all!  I'm grateful for your experience and advice.  Joe is 
sending me his Brooks cover and I will look into a Randi Jo option as 
well.  

--Joyce

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:13:54 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Free is a good price. However, Randi Jo for the win! I have used her 
> covers for years here in the PNW on different types of saddles. She makes 
> different covers for different saddle shapes. I leave mine all year round. 
> They last a very long time. Well worth the money.
>
> John
> Portland
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 10:52:16 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hi Joyce, 
>>
>> I have this cover made my Brooks, it stretches over the back of the 
>> saddle and covers the bag loops. This pic shows it on a B17 but there's an 
>> adjuster thingy at the back (not the velcro strap, that's for rolling it 
>> up) and it fits kinda loose on my saddle, it should work on an SA. You 
>> wanna try it? Send me a shipping address and you can have it for the low 
>> low price of FREE! I inexplicably have two of these and hardly ever use 
>> even of them so it's all yours. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>> text 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:25:59 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> I love the look and utility of a saddlebag, thus I've tried a Sackville 
>>> Bagboy and Swift Zeitgeist on Platy and Clem obtained from folks on this 
>>> list.  Here's the issue:  I have Selle Anatomica leather saddles, the rainy 
>>> times are coming to the Pacific Northwest and the saddle cover won't fit 
>>> properly with the bags attached.  What's a girl to do?   
>>>
>>> How do you protect your leather saddle when riding in the rain when 
>>> you've got a saddle bag attached to the loops on the saddle?  Do you use a 
>>> cover when riding or only when you're off the bike?  I'm not using a Brooks 
>>> saddle...do the loops get in the way of the cover or is the Selle Anatomica 
>>> design the problem?  I'm probably making a bigger deal out of this than 
>>> necessary, but I don't want to wreck my saddle.  Must I remove the 
>>> saddlebags and use a trunk bag and/or pannier for winter riding?  Is there 
>>> a better solution?  I will look forward to your ideas.
>>>
>>> Joyce
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Saddle Cover Issue w/Saddlebag

[JAS]

I love the look and utility of a saddlebag, thus I've tried a Sackville 
Bagboy and Swift Zeitgeist on Platy and Clem obtained from folks on this 
list.  Here's the issue:  I have Selle Anatomica leather saddles, the rainy 
times are coming to the Pacific Northwest and the saddle cover won't fit 
properly with the bags attached.  What's a girl to do?   

How do you protect your leather saddle when riding in the rain when you've 
got a saddle bag attached to the loops on the saddle?  Do you use a cover 
when riding or only when you're off the bike?  I'm not using a Brooks 
saddle...do the loops get in the way of the cover or is the Selle Anatomica 
design the problem?  I'm probably making a bigger deal out of this than 
necessary, but I don't want to wreck my saddle.  Must I remove the 
saddlebags and use a trunk bag and/or pannier for winter riding?  Is there 
a better solution?  I will look forward to your ideas.

Joyce

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[RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[JAS]

SAM $2400
51m
Portland 
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-bicycle-works-sam/7536289932.html

Romulus $1550
57cm
Seattle
https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/bik/7530803930.html

Bleriot  $1950
55 cm
Seattle
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/7518207928.html

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:30:07 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Rivendell Touring
> No size listed
> $3,000 
> Lexington, KY 
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/399785835688755/?hoisted=false=search_code=null_story_type=post
>
> [image: 307812527_5541503645919163_3580851272735801391_n.jpg]
>
> Platypus
> 60cm
> $3,000
> Grand Rapids, MI
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1302632586938953/?hoisted=false=search_code=null_story_type=post
>
> [image: 302796712_4687769534658839_715238091324189516_n.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto RBW51 rack, needs longer front struts $120 shipped

[JAS]

Darn it!  I missed the opportunity and sure would like one of these.  Joe, 
if the sale falls through, let me know.

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:30:04 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> SOLD, pending and whatnot and such as. 
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:31:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Very good condition, the bag that rested on it didn't cause any wear and 
>> apparently I never leaned it on a wall..kickstands are good!
>>
>> The rear struts are cut to 36cm. The fronts got swapped to the used 33R I 
>> just bought and that rack's shorties are now on the RBW51 as place holders, 
>> you'll need new struts or a diving board there. 
>>
>> $120 shipped  
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Joe Bernard 
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>> text 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 65cm Clem Smith Jr. H

[JAS]

Oops!  Now I see you asked for "H", not "L"hope you find the bike of 
your dreams!

On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:48:38 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Mitch,
> There's a 64cm frameset w/wheelset on the Portland Craigslist.  Looks like 
> the bike is in Eugene.
> Good luck!
>
> Joyce
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:52:11 AM UTC-7 mitchel...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello! In search of a big ole' 65cm Clem Smith Jr. H... Been chasing one 
>> of these for a while but I thought it wouldn't hurt to make a real post on 
>> the group. Lots of bikes have found new homes because of this place and I 
>> hope to make it happen again! Any leads are appreciated..
>>
>> Mitch from SF
>> 101pbh'r
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 65cm Clem Smith Jr. H

[JAS]

Mitch,
There's a 64cm frameset w/wheelset on the Portland Craigslist.  Looks like 
the bike is in Eugene.
Good luck!

Joyce

On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:52:11 AM UTC-7 mitchel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hello! In search of a big ole' 65cm Clem Smith Jr. H... Been chasing one 
> of these for a while but I thought it wouldn't hurt to make a real post on 
> the group. Lots of bikes have found new homes because of this place and I 
> hope to make it happen again! Any leads are appreciated..
>
> Mitch from SF
> 101pbh'r
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[JAS]

Bleriot, 55 cm
$1950
Seattle
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-bleriot-650b-size-55/7518207928.html

Hubbuhubbuh, Medium
$2700
Whidbey Island (north of Seattle)
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/clinton-hubbuhubbuh-tandem-rivendell/7513433319.html

Clem H, 45 cm
$1800
Seattle
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45/7514261621.html

Clem L, 64cm  (Frameset/wheel set)
$1200
Eugene, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-rivendell-frameset-wheelset-64cm/7518051955.html

Sam Hillborne, 57cm
$1950
Portland, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/bik/d/clackamas-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7514172354.html

Atlantis, 64cm
$2100
Corvallis, OR
https://corvallis.craigslist.org/bik/d/corvallis-rivendell-atlantis/7518027546.html


On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 10:48:45 AM UTC-7 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have Wavie bars on my Atlantis and those look very similar. 
> Lance 
>
> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 11:46:20 AM UTC-6 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> Anyone know what bars are on this Atlantis?  Posting is deleted on CL, so 
>> can't look there. 
>>
>> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 6:37:08 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Atlantis
>>> 59cm
>>> 3600
>>> Berkeley, CA
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-atlantis-59cm/7511867606.html
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Kilts!

[JAS]

One of the most important details here is that the kilt colors match the 
Platypus!  Way to pick the tartan; it's so stylish.  Thanks for the 
link...I might have to get one!  I played field hockey in the days when we 
wore kilts for games...I don't know how that tradition started, but they 
are perfect for many athletic endeavors. 

Joyce
  
On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 5:06:50 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> That rug really ties the room together.
>
> I have a decent amount of Scottish ancestry plus it gets hot here so I 
> think I could swing a kilt.  My wife got used to my knickers so a kilt is 
> the next logical step.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 24, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Forgot to add that the plaid matches the tribal rug.
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 10:08 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Best cycling pants I've seen! Wonderful!
>>
>> Where's your sporran?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 9:08 AM Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Time to come clean on this one. Which is that the ultimate in 
>>> comfortable, summer cycling wear is a kilt! Actually, not just any kilt, 
>>> this is a Sport Kilt which I ordered slightly shorter than traditional and 
>>> is made from a lighter weight, easily washable fabric.
>>>
>>> Questions I get asked;
>>>
>>>1. Doesn't it blow up around your waist?
>>>   1. No, the center panel stays firmly put between the legs, the 
>>>   skirt blooms up just enough to show those sexy cyclists thighs!
>>>2. What tartan is that?
>>>   1. I'm actually a Perth Drummond but that's hard to find, 
>>>   marrying into the Ross Clan buys me "rights" to wear this Ross 
>>> Hunting 
>>>   tartan - aside from the battlefield there's no real social etiquette 
>>> around 
>>>   this, pick one you like.
>>>3. What do you wear underneath?
>>>   1. None of your bloody business! Actually, truth be told, the Riv 
>>>   Andiamo undies make an excellent compliment to a kilt if you're not 
>>>   comfortable breezing along.
>>>
>>> https://sportkilt.com/
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20220624_144801375.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: long wheelbase, Hillibikes + tray racks

[JAS]

Joe, 
Oh, that hurts!  I'm so sorry about your rack.  Thank you for the advice.  
Fortunately, I don't have to worry about L.A., but it's good to be aware a 
determined thief can get through the lock.

Joyce

On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 12:34:48 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had a 1up rack but it got stolen! The thieves must have had the special 
> allen key. It was locked with the key lock that 1up sells but they got 
> through that no problem. Don’t leave your 1up racks on your car in Los 
> Angeles!
>
> It would have fit my new Susie no problem. 
>
> Joe
>
> On Jun 20, 2022, at 12:27 PM, JAS  wrote:
>
> I have a 1UP rack and my bikes fit fine.  
>
>Clem size 52 cm with a 117cm wheelbase (tires are 650b x 48)
>Platypus size 55 cm with a 122 cm wheelbase (tires are 700x42)
>
> I did my best to measure the wheelbase of each bike, but they might be 
> slightly off by a cm or so.
>
> --Joyce
>
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 10:00:44 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My apologies if this has been asked before, but has anyone had any 
>> success carrying their Gus / Susie / Clem / Appaloosa / Platy on a 
>> hitch-mounted tray rack such as the Kuat NV 2.0 (my rack)? I'm about to 
>> take ownership of a Gus very soon, and I'm wondering if there's any chance 
>> it'll work somehow. Looking at the numbers, it doesn't seem like these 
>> bikes would possibly fit, as the rear wheel would stick out too far for the 
>> retaining straps to effectively grab the rear wheel.
>>
>> My next question is, has anyone found a way to rig this type of rack so 
>> that it can safely carry these long wheelbase bikes?
>>
>> thanks!
>> Brian
>>
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[RBW] Re: long wheelbase, Hillibikes + tray racks

[JAS]

I have a 1UP rack and my bikes fit fine.  
   Clem size 52 cm with a 117cm wheelbase (tires are 650b x 48)
   Platypus size 55 cm with a 122 cm wheelbase (tires are 700x42)

I did my best to measure the wheelbase of each bike, but they might be 
slightly off by a cm or so.

--Joyce


On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 10:00:44 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> My apologies if this has been asked before, but has anyone had any success 
> carrying their Gus / Susie / Clem / Appaloosa / Platy on a hitch-mounted 
> tray rack such as the Kuat NV 2.0 (my rack)? I'm about to take ownership of 
> a Gus very soon, and I'm wondering if there's any chance it'll work 
> somehow. Looking at the numbers, it doesn't seem like these bikes would 
> possibly fit, as the rear wheel would stick out too far for the retaining 
> straps to effectively grab the rear wheel.
>
> My next question is, has anyone found a way to rig this type of rack so 
> that it can safely carry these long wheelbase bikes?
>
> thanks!
> Brian
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[JAS]

Cheviot 60cm
$2750
2018
Portland, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-cheviot-cm/7494963941.html
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 6:45:02 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> Thank you! I won the right-to-buy lottery too but decided I didn’t want 
> this version, but a vintage one, preferably orange. MSRP is a bit painful 
> right now…
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2022, at 5:10 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:
>
> There is a Clem in Indy that's been up for a while. 
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7479780317.html
>
> mike
>
>
> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 6:16:10 PM UTC-5 Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> Missed this one! Anyone else going to part with a 59 Clem L?
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 9:29:31 AM UTC-7 Danzem wrote:
>>
> Clementine
>>> 59cm
>>> $2000
>>> San Francisco, CA
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-black-59/7487590750.html
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 12:38:01 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>>
>> Indeed... some people must be clueless. Plus, that saddle slammed all the 
 way back on its rails - poor seatpost! 

 On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 2:38:06 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

>>> $3700 for an XO-1. Just by literally any Rivendell and you'll have a 
> better bike 
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 11:10:01 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
 Two Bridgestone XOs on Northern Virginia craigslist. 
>>
>> XO-2
>> 52cm
>> $700
>> Alexandria, VA 
>>
>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/alexandria-bridgestone-xo/7487241486.html
>>
>> XO-1
>> 52cm
>> $3,700 (!!!)
>> McLean, VA 
>>
>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/mc-lean-1993bridgestone-xo/7486737255.html
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 1:53:36 AM UTC-4 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>
> New title fixes the Appaloosa spelling. (Nonetheless, Rivendell is 
>>> spelled three different ways!)
>>> Probably a good deal if the big Sackville and a rack come with it!
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-appaloosa-46cm/7486742585.html
>>> David
>>> Berkeley
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 5:17:30 PM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> In case you missed it, a misspelled "46cm rivendale apolusa", SF 
 gregslist.

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-46cm-rivendale-apolusa/7481031255.html

 
  

>>>
 On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 1:12 PM Jason  wrote:

>>> Sam Hillborne
> 60cm
> $1,000
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1162024001299575/
>
 On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 2:36:24 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
 Sam Hillborne frame, fork, headset
>> 62cm
>> $1,100
>> Havre de Grace, MD
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/758797715280300/?ref=search_code=marketplace_search_story_type=post
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 1:59:13 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
> Hubbuhubbuh
>>> "Large"
>>> $3,200 
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/d/washington-large-rivendell-hubbuhubbah/7484571735.html
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:09:59 AM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Clementine 
 52cm 
 2000 
 San Antonio, TX 

 https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/bik/d/san-antonio-rivendell-clementine/7485092392.html
  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[JAS]

You continue to be an inspiration, Leah!  You love your bike and show 
others how capable one can be no matter the differences.  Thank you for the 
reports and photos.

#RivSisters,
Joyce  

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 7:01:17 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Well just think how blah-zay their ride would be if you weren't around, 
> and before you came about !  Just remember, people aren't of themselves 
> what they think or what they do, it's not their real/true Identity. That 
> may go against what "society" says, everything you've ever been told and 
> accepted. Yeah so what ! Well who the heck is "society" anyways ? It's no 
> one, that's the "mother/father of all delusions" . that there is such a 
> thing and we answer to and are a product of "it/they/them". People are 
> People.ONESELF !    not a thing, a noun, a verb, an adjective 
> .. that's all nonsense. You are THAT You are ...and THAT is "beyond all 
> categorization".
>
> Just imagine for a moment, a group of Riv riders who do regular rides and 
> along comes someone on a carbon racing bike to play along, wearing full 
> racing gear. Would Riv riders look at them a little funny ? Make 
> suggestions of change their bike or setup so they can "be like/keep 
> up/down" with the rest of the group ?  Would the carbon "fit in" against 
> all the assumptions/biases about carbon bikes ?  
> "Road bikers" are just "bikers" like everyone else, as People are just 
> People. unconditionally so. None above or below anyone else. One's 
> distinct identity can't be homogenized into colors, races, classes, 
> religions and all the other ways of dishonoring and ignoring that inherent 
> distinction. 
>
> So I Honor the ride in You that Honors the Ride in Me. 
>

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[RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

[JAS]

I checked out the Surly 8-pack rack after reading your description and 
noticed the Safety Recall.  Hope you saw it too...

https://surlybikes.com/surly-8-24-pack-rack-recall 

--Joyce
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 6:17:56 AM UTC-7 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:

> I use a Surly 8-Pack rack with a basket attached with several velcro 
> straps. I love the rack, very sturdy, attaches to my fork crown and 
> mid-fork eyelets, so it has kinda a minimal look. And it's not very 
> expensive. It's on my Clem, and when it had the stock Bosco bars, the 
> steering would be slow and wobbly with a heavy load. If I kept it under 
> 10ish pounds, it was ok. But now I've swapped out the bars for a Velo 
> Orange Crazy Bar and a shorter stem. Those bars are very wide and a heavier 
> load now feels pretty good, no more uncomfortable wobbly steering. That 
> setup is just so versatile. I've been tempted by the fabulously good looks 
> of the Fabio's Chest and others. But for my kinda of cycling, everyday 
> utility and touring, this works very well.
> Christine,
> Space Coast of Florida
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>
>> hey all, i've been using my QB more now, and started to think about how i 
>> carry things on the front of my bike.  i'm pretty settled on a rivy 
>> shopsack+ wald137 basket + nitto mini front (with a safety strap!).  I know 
>> this is a little perilous according to the stated specs, so would consider 
>> other options.  
>>
>> I'm mostly happy with this, i do get a little bit of wobble or shimmy.  
>>  But i also feel like this is how i've always done things so curious how 
>> other people are carry things--particularly on front of teh bike.  For 
>> example i see all these Fabio's Chest running around, is it better to carry 
>> stuff off the bar?   Larger porter racks and bags?
>>
>> This bike is my high security storage only bike, so i'm not too worried 
>> about leaving bags on the bike.   Would appreciate peoples thoughts, 
>> opinions, philosophy on this!  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Adding photos to Post

[JAS]

Richard, it's a beauty!  Thanks for persevering through the tech struggles.

--Joyce (another Platy partner) 

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 4:58:19 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

>
> Nice looking Platy. It was worth the wait. 
>
> Miles of smiles, 
> Roberta
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:52:52 AM UTC-4 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> Resized image. Thanks Paul.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 12:23:23 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> Richard,
>>> When you say you selected the smallest size, are you referring to the 
>>> words that show up around the frame of the photo when you add it to your 
>>> message? If so, that doesn't actually shrink the size of the image file; it 
>>> only reduces the display size of the image. If I'm misunderstanding, you 
>>> can ignore the info below. Otherwise, try resizing the files using Windows 
>>> before you add them to your post.
>>>
>>> 1. On your Dell, try opening the photo in the Windows Photos app. In the 
>>> upper right, click the three dots menu. If you select File Information, it 
>>> will show you the dimentions and file size in MB on the left. You can see 
>>> my photo below is 12.2MB, which would not work with Google Groups file size 
>>> limit:
>>> [image: windows-photos.jpg]
>>> 2. Select Resize from the three dots menu shown in the image above. 
>>> You'll get the Resize window shown below:
>>> [image: windows-photos-resize.jpg]
>>> 3. Select M (medium) unless there is some small detail in the photo that 
>>> you really want to preserve (like lug lining) - then select L (large). Both 
>>> sized will look nice on a screen.
>>> 4. On my computer, a Save File dialog opens up. Just save the file 
>>> somewhere and add -small to the end of the file name so you know that it's 
>>> the smaller one.
>>> [image: save-dialog.jpg]
>>> 5. If you go to the File>Propoerties of the new resized image, you'll 
>>> see that the file size is drastically reduced:
>>> [image: File-props.jpg]
>>> 6. But it still shows up really nicely in the message
>>> [image: 20180429_190258-small.jpg]
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 6:20:16 PM UTC-5 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>>>
 I used the paper clip, reduced the photo to smallest size. Even tried 
 attaching a link to photo. No go.

 On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 5:07:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And, oh yes, please trim your messages!
>
> Thank you.
>
> On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 3:05 PM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> Did you use the "paperclip" button to attach the photo instead of 
>> embedding it into the body of the email?
>>
>> How big are your photo files? You can use Mac's Preview application 
>> to reduce the size (by %: 75%, 50%, and so on); you don't need 4 gb for 
>> a 
>> clear photo.
>>
>> And O, People: Please don't embed huge photo files into the body of 
>> your emails! Use the paperclip! It's easy and prevents your message and 
>> every other message of the thread from disappearing into the invisible 
>> edges unless you view at 33%. I have a 42" gaming monitor (for work, not 
>> games) and these embedded files still extend out sideways until only 1/2 
>> of 
>> the message is view-able without manually moving the window laterally.
>>
>> On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 7:31 AM Richard Borneman  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tried to attach photo to a new post. Just title, two words and the 
>>> photo. No luck. Message too long.
>>> Same result with the Dell desktop or the Macbook Pro.
>>> I have looked at all my Google Group settings. Can't find anything 
>>> amiss. What am I missing?
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:46:48 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>>
 Echoing aeroperf's suggestion to use the paperclip to attach 
 photos. I've had issues posting photos using the Mail app on Mac and 
 iPhone, but logging in to Google Groups with a browser allowed me to 
 include photos, as aeroperf suggested.

 On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:33:38 AM UTC-4 aeroperf wrote:

> A couple of things to check that I have run into—
>
> There are three dots at the bottom of both your second post and 
> Garth’s post in this thread.
> When you click on that, it expands and shows the post that you are 
> “replying” to, even if you clicked “Reply all”.
> All that is also included in your post.
>
> So maybe you are “replying” to a post that is replying to a 
> post…that each already have photos attached…and so, your message is 
> too 
> long even if it is only a couple of words.  All that other stuff goes 
> along, and gets credited to your post.
>
> Easiest way out of that is to put a couple of words or a sentence 
> in your post window, and check for the three dots in your post 
> window, and 

[RBW] Re: Photos and details of my 1995 Riv Road Standard build

[JAS]

It's a beauty, Adriana!  I love the color scheme...like the flags of 
Ukraine and Sweden.  

Congratulations.  May it bring you a lifetime of joy!

#RivSisters,
 Joyce

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 9:15:44 AM UTC-7 Greg J wrote:

> Congrats, Adriana!  Beautiful color on that bike, and a nice sensible 
> build!  
>
> best, Greg/Oakland
>
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:15:14 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oh...I'm glad it worked out for you and you like the bike! I love the 
>> splash of yellow; it's so cheerful. Matches the buttery smooth ride of 
>> those early Rivendells 
>>
>> Hope you have many happy miles on it. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:52:32 PM UTC-5 Adrianna T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Back in January I came across a custom Riv Road Standard that I didn't 
>>> know anything about, other than that it was being sold by Joe Breeze (to 
>>> raise funds for his bicycling museum).
>>>
>>> A bunch of you here helped to spec it out and that helped me feel 
>>> confident enough to buy it.
>>>
>>> After several months, I finally have a bike!
>>>
>>> (The delay was largely around waiting for parts to show up, with this 
>>> supply chain and all).
>>>
>>> Here's what I ended up with. Photos attached.
>>>
>>> - Nitto Randonneur 25.4 400mm
>>> - Gran Compe 202 Non Aero Brake Levers, Drilled
>>> - Nitto Fillet FacePlater Quill stem
>>> - Dia-Compe ENE Down Tube Shifters
>>> - Rene Herse Double Crank 46-30 - 171mm
>>> - MKS Monarch pedals
>>> - Velo Orange 32 hole silver front and rear hubs
>>> Velocity A32 32 hole polished rims 
>>> - Shimano 105
>>> - Microshift 11-36
>>> - 26″ x 1.25″ Elk Pass Tires
>>> - Dura Ace 
>>>
>>> Thanks to Scenic Routes (community bike center in San Francisco), and 
>>> this community here, for the input and advice. It rides like a dream and I 
>>> am really, really happy with it.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[JAS]

Romulus
57cm
$1500
Seattle, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-romulus-57cm/7478039515.html
 
 

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:43:40 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> Michael,
>
> That's a pretty Maruishi at a good price. Note the familiar "wings" on the 
> fork crown. Many of these nice Japanese bikes were never marketed in the US.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL 
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:36:37 AM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Not mine, no connection to seller, but looks really cool:
>>
>> 53cm vintage Japanese randonneur:
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/353883853700?hash=item52651f1384:g:vukAAOSwPYZh9vWi
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 1:01:04 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Platypus 
>>> 60cm 
>>> 2950 
>>> Santa Barbara, CA 
>>>
>>> https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/bik/d/santa-barbara-rivendell-platypus-60cm/7476823235.html
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: It might be even nicer on a Rivendell: 1975 news feature film on bicycle postman in rural Ireland

[JAS]

Now that's inspiring! 

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 4:14:40 AM UTC-7 Igor wrote:

> Lovely. Thanks for sharing
>
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:49:24 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Cribbed from the CR list but I'm sure will be appreciated here.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/5k3SY_S7O_M
>>
>> The only words of the subject I could understand were "No" and "It's 
>> bad." Perhaps he was speaking Gaelic.
>>
>> 27 miles (besides the 3 miles from and back to home) up and down hill in 
>> all weathers on a 50 lb, over geared single speed at  age 65. But simple 
>> life (he's a small dairy farmer too) in bucolic if wet country and 
>> apparently very little motor traffic. 
>>
>> A fellow classmate in college about the time this film was made told me 
>> of visiting her grandmother in rural Ireland a few years before, with the 
>> statutory whitewashed, thatched cottage, peat fire, and usual crowd of 
>> untrammeled pigs.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Hunq

[JAS]

Matt, thanks for the pink fender reference!

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:45:36 AM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:

> If someone has to have pink fenders, there is this:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/265580783485?hash=item3dd5d9277d:g:RqAAAOSwS0diI8T7
>
> I have no affiliation with the sale, but I remembered spotting them while 
> I have been searching for 2 sets of the old beige SKS fenders that are also 
> no longer in production.  
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
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Re: [RBW] WTB: affordable 650b wheelset

[JAS]

Sophie,
I have a wheelset off of my Clem that I'd like to sell.  Rainbow nipples, 
650B Alex rims (the stock wheels for a Clem), Deore hubs.  The cassette is 
Sunrace 11-34.  $200 plus shipping sounds good.  Also, a set of Schwalbe 
Big Ben 2.0 tires are mounted on the wheels now with tubes which I'd sell 
if you decide you want the wheels (extra $35).

I'm north of Seattle (98236 zip) and if you're in the NW, I could meet you 
in Seattle...not sure where you are.

Joyce

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:19:50 PM UTC-7 Danny wrote:

> Hi Sofie,
>
> I’m not the seller, but this wheelset was recently posted to the list.
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/KanW5dswrsQ/m/NgCkgjd8AAAJ
>
> -Danny
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 3:55 PM Sofie C  wrote:
>
>> Casually seeking a used set of wheels, ideally under $400. Would love 
>> something like the Velocity Atlas/Cliffhanger + Shimano Deore hub sets 
>> that's currently sold out on Riv, but I'm open to others. Try me!  
>>
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[RBW] Re: A Hunq

[JAS]

Oh my goodness!!  Where did you get the pink (or lavender?) fenders, Dave 
and what brand are they?  They're perfect with the dark green (and would 
look great on my dark green Clem).  Nice touch with the matching brake 
cable color.  It's all so perfectly complimentary.
--Joyce

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 11:35:54 AM UTC-7 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Yup also my favorite bike of all time.  It rides great no matter what you 
> put it through and no bike looks like it with the diagatube.  Here is the 
> latest iteration:
>
> [image: IMG_20211109_170200.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Two Lone Wolves Go On A Riv Ride

[JAS]

There's nothing like a guide on the side to show you the ropes regarding 
bike routes, coffee shops and other treasures in a new town.  I'm really 
glad you found a fellow rider who "gets it."

#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:12:03 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> It's wonderful to find like minded and wonderful people to ride with.  
> Lone Wolf is nice sometimes, but so is riding with others that you like.  
> I'm so happy for you.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 6:44:00 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Mike, I suppose it’s hard to see the color coordination here, but he’s 
>> got shades of blue all over his bike and I’ve got shades of rose/raspberry 
>> all over mine…and a pop of teal here and there! 
>>
>> Mike, that’s so awesome that you made a friend the first week and he 
>> included you in his ride. And that you had chemistry and could keep up the 
>> standing appt is so rare and such a gift!
>>
>> Patrick, Google maps had me going some dark places when I tried it out. 
>> Riding with pals has been so much more helpful. The best app I know of is 
>> Ride with GPS; but you have to really know how to use it, and it’s best 
>> done from a computer and not on the mobile version. Pam Murray is a whiz 
>> with that app and she plans her routes ahead of time, before she ever rolls 
>> out of her driveway.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 5:43 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>> Fabulous. When I first moved to San Luis Obispo, a coworker stopped by 
>> my cube and within the first week of the new job. I started riding with him 
>> and his longtime riding partner. Every Sunday for 7.5 years we have a ride 
>> date, except of course when one of us is out of town.
>>
>>
>> Colors?  I assume you mean blue bike-blue table and chairs, and red bike 
>> - red table and chairs. 
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 1:34:42 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'm glad you made a new friend, and that you are finding your way 
>>> downtown. I've certainly found that the first weeks or even months in a new 
>>> city to be awkward if all the roads seem to be 4 or 6 lane boulevards. But 
>>> I find Google Maps very helpful to get to new places here in ABQ, even tho' 
>>> I've been here for 33 years; Maps has a "bike" option for route finding. I 
>>> just wish there were better online maps of the acequia trails and ditch 
>>> roads.
>>>
>>> Are there even better apps for scoping out bike routes in US cities?
>>>
>>> Had my own little friendly encounter just now, after a very pleasant 
>>> spring ride on the 1999. I stopped on the way home at Sprout's and as I put 
>>> my things on the conveyor belt, I realized I'd forgotten my wallet, as 
>>> often happens. But the very nice lady in front of me insisted on paying, 
>>> and after removing the most expensive item, I agreed; she would not let me 
>>> send check or Pp repayment. This is the second time someone has done that. 
>>> I guess I must look sweet and forlorn; not a Lone Wolf but a soulful puppy.
>>>
>>> I have a favor to pass on
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 1:10 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 [image: 35321691-70AE-4F2E-9F99-01BFDA8B4292.jpeg][image: 
 F8D27243-95F0-403F-B2AC-81A9C323F25B.jpeg]I have had precious few 
 chances to meet Rivendell riders in real life. I’ve been a Lone Wolf 
 forever, always riding alone and never in the vicinity of other 
 Rivendells. 
 I decided 10 years was enough of that and when we moved to Michigan, I 
 joined a bike club. Jon D, out of Colorado, told me about Marc, another 
 Lone Wolf Riv Rider in my city. So, I emailed him and we met at a bike 
 club 
 board meeting. His Riv is a 2012 Sam Hillborne; don’t ask him how many 
 miles are on it, he’s a Just Ride purist who doesn’t keep track of such 
 silly details. But, it can be concluded from these photos, that that Lone 
 Wolf likes a color-matching theme as much as this Lone Wolf does. 

 Anyway, he rides everywhere, all the time, and is a wealth of 
 information about the city and surrounding communities. He’s also kind, so 
 he will share it. We have been trying to organize a ride to help me get my 
 bearings in the city, but the weather has thwarted every effort…until 
 today. Lesser devoted riders might have stayed out of the wind and cool 
 temps, but no way were we cancelling AGAIN.

 I had been floundering, trying to find safe routes into downtown from 
 where I live, but today I was shown some better routes on roads I wouldn’t 
 have discovered for months. We rode about 20 miles in high winds to find 
 and explore the bike route options in the city. Despite the weather we had 
 a fantastic time. I highly recommend exploration by bike; it’s the best 
 way 
 to really KNOW a place.

 Pictured is the halfway point of our ride; conveniently, at a coffee 

[RBW] Re: Cherry Blossoms, Apricot Blossoms, Peach Blossoms

[JAS]

How lucky you are, Takashi!  What a beautiful area for riding; thank you 
for sharing your photos.  I especially liked the path bordered with the 
trees in bloom.  The pink and magenta are probably even more stunning in 
person.  Is there a sweet fragrance as well?  (BTW, I love your fenders!  
So classy.)
--Joyce

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 7:39:22 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote:

> Thank you Leah. Glad to know that you liked the photos.
> Yes, I live in Nagano, Japan. It's a mountainous area.
> You should tell your son to be careful as to where in Japan he will stay; 
> if he lives in Tokyo, instead of seeing mountains and flowers, he'll see 
> something like this:
> https://flic.kr/p/PRYuW8
>
> Thank you Randy.
> I can't imagine how it's like to live in Wisconsin. I assume that climate 
> is very harsh?
>
> Here are couple more pictures of peach blossoms:
> [image: DSC02101.jpg]
> [image: DSC02104.jpg]
>
> Takashi
>
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Re: [RBW] Platy Lug: Different. Which one do you have?

[JAS]

Leah, yes you may use my Platy BB lug photo.  If it matters in your 
research, my Platypus is a 55cm.
#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 4:07:16 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sure!
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2022, 4:43 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> For those who posted pics, can I put them in my Instagram stories? I have 
>> a poll up there, too…
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Platty Meraid!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2022, 7:06 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I stumbled upon something very interesting. I was taking my mermaid 
>>> Platypus out for a ride and I happened to notice what I thought was a large 
>>> drop of water on the bottom bracket lug. It wasn’t - it’s a cut-out. It 
>>> looked so foreign to me, so I looked at my raspberry Platypus. 
>>>
>>> Totally different lugs. 
>>>
>>> My raspberry is a sample bike. It made sense to me that it might have a 
>>> different, simpler lug. But then I started looking on Instagram. Now, who 
>>> takes photos of the bottom bracket lug (is that the name for it? I don’t 
>>> know.)? Almost no one. But I found a mermaid Platy on Blue Lug’s account 
>>> and it has the same lug as my raspberry bike. So, it is not because my bike 
>>> is a sample. It seems some Platys went out with the cut-out lug, and some 
>>> went out with the plain lug. I’ll attach photos in the following post…
>>>
>>> Which lug does your Platypus have? Why do you think they built the bikes 
>>> this way?
>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Platy Lug: Different. Which one do you have?

[JAS]

The BB shell on my Platypus has the lug/cutouts.  And yes, my bike needs a 
cleaning!  I had to wipe off a splotch of mud before taking the photo, but 
isn't a dirty Platy is a happy Platy because it has been ridden? 
--Joyce

[image: PlatyBB_0488.jpg]

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 9:46:38 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Anyway, I've derailed this thread long enough. Show Leah your lugged 
> Platypus bottom bracket shells!
>
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 9:41:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Then the bottom bracket lug is the shell and the bottom bracket shell is 
>> the lug. I just think you have to say "lug" in this instance in order to 
>> explain what you're discussing. My bike has a bottom bracket shell, too..no 
>> lug. 
>>
>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 9:31:28 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I am pretty sure that Rivendell does not use separate shells in lugged 
>>> bottom brackets, the threads are in the lug itself. 
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 12:07:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I believe Leah's use of the term "bottom bracket lug" (or lugs) is 
 accurate. The bottom bracket shell is the cylinder the bottom bracket 
 slides into; then there's the joints that connect seattube, downtube and 
 chainstays to the shell. The shell on both her Platys is the same, the 
 bottom bracket lug is different. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:11:45 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Leah, "bottom bracket lug" is perfectly descriptive, but I think the 
> term you'll see in print when lugs are being discussed is "bottom bracket 
> shell".  That term isn't totally specific to cast bottom bracket shells 
> like this.  The plain metal cylinder one would use in a tig welded or 
> fillet brazed frame is also called a "bottom bracket shell".  Either way, 
> your "bottom bracket lug" identifies what you are talking about just fine
>
> BL in WC
>
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:06:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I stumbled upon something very interesting. I was taking my mermaid 
>> Platypus out for a ride and I happened to notice what I thought was a 
>> large 
>> drop of water on the bottom bracket lug. It wasn’t - it’s a cut-out. It 
>> looked so foreign to me, so I looked at my raspberry Platypus. 
>>
>> Totally different lugs. 
>>
>> My raspberry is a sample bike. It made sense to me that it might have 
>> a different, simpler lug. But then I started looking on Instagram. Now, 
>> who 
>> takes photos of the bottom bracket lug (is that the name for it? I don’t 
>> know.)? Almost no one. But I found a mermaid Platy on Blue Lug’s account 
>> and it has the same lug as my raspberry bike. So, it is not because my 
>> bike 
>> is a sample. It seems some Platys went out with the cut-out lug, and 
>> some 
>> went out with the plain lug. I’ll attach photos in the following post…
>>
>> Which lug does your Platypus have? Why do you think they built the 
>> bikes this way?
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[JAS]

This is so impressive, Leah!  I admire your courage to get out there and 
meet new biking friends, try a new "style" of biking and handle the fast 
pace of your roady pack.  I love your enthusiasm for the Platypus and how 
others now want one.  Riding in a pace line is thrilling, isn't it?  The 
miles fly by faster than when riding alone and you feel like a goose, 
getting the draft and uplift from the riders in front.  Ride on, RivSister!

Joyce

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 4:32:30 AM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> I've raced on and off for ~40 years, and when I was still working, I quite 
> frequently used to roll up for the 6am training rides with the local racing 
> cyclists on the Bleriot that I commuted on, complete with mudguards and 
> Carradice camper longflap saddlebag containing my work clothes, lunch, etc 
> - the bike did have drop handlebars, though. I was amused one morning when 
> I rotated off after taking a pull on the front to hear one of the younger 
> riders asking "Who's the old bloke with the bag on the back?".
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rack and Fenders for Clem L

[JAS]

I've got the silver shiny Rivendell rack on my Clem L 52 as well as the SKS 
65 fenders (which I notched with a Dremmel).  I installed both on the bike 
without issue.  Unfortunately, one has to mount fenders twice.  Once to get 
the alignment and stay length marked and a second time after cutting the 
stays.  It takes time, but is not difficult.  I marked the fender with a 
Sharpie, then went to work with the Dremmel cutting tool.  No big deal.  My 
tires are 48 and the fenders are perfect.  The rack is stout and sturdy; 
when I want to run panniers for the groceries and other loads, it will 
handle the job.

Joyce

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 4:19:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've used the full array from Avocet to Zefal in plastic or whatever PB 
> and SKS make theirs from, and in metal from Berthoud to Wald in aluminum 
> and steel. For permanent installation, and if you don't mind doing a little 
> pre-install study and prep, I suggest metal fenders, and Velo Orange has 
> very nice ones for reasonable prices. 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/fenders
>
> You say you're no mechanic, but IME, if you can learn to install SKS or 
> Planet Bike fenders, you can learn to install metal fenders. The best 
> instructions, those I learned from, are from Jitensha Studios.
>
> As for racks, if you want load capacity and stiffness but are willing to 
> discount "priddy," you might look at Tubus. IME, a stiff rack makes as much 
> difference, if not more, to secure rear loading (I don't have as much 
> experience with front loads) as a stiff rear triangle. The Fly for example, 
> now in stainless steel instead of black powdercoated chromo, weighs a 
> couple of oz more and carries a couple of lbs less, but still handles 40 lb 
> loads with aplomb (not too long ago I carried 46 lb on mine; not the way to 
> bomb down fast downhill curves, but do-able). 
>
>
> https://www.tubus.com/en/products?tx_tubusproducts_products%5Baction%5D=list_tubusproducts_products%5Bcontroller%5D=Products=fc0be0ec82dacbc63b4ee1b12f522597#prodId_16
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 10:41:34 AM UTC-7 care...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I just purchased a 59 cm Clem L from Crust Bikes. I’m deciding on a rack 
>> and fenders. I’m down to the Shiny Rear Rack from Riv or the Nitto R14 from 
>> Crust.  Any thoughts or suggestions?  I don’t need a heavy duty touring 
>> rack but the Shiny looks a little more durable. Riv told me they would have 
>> some soon.
>>
>> The SKS P50 look like the right fender but I don’t want a mud flap. Are 
>> they removeable?  Are the B65s too large?
>>
>> I’m no mechanic so the easier the installation the better.
>>
>> Carey Rogers
>>
>> Nashville
>>
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[JAS]

This is such a tough choice! I love both Clem and Platypus, but if I could 
have only one, it would be my mermaid Platy because it is elegant, agile 
and tough enough.  

Speaking of Clems, I was disappointed mine didn’t come with the Clementine 
name sticker.  When I called to see if I could get me, no luck.  I think we 
should start a campaign to make them available so we can properly name our 
Clementines.  Mine is dark green so the pink name sticker would look great 
on it though I’d much prefer a beautiful sky blue.

Joyce

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:36:41 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> PS I would not want to be guilty of getting someone’s name wrong. I know 
> Sofie (Sofiya) from our conversations on IG and I wrote her name the way 
> she spells it there. Sorry if I confused anyone!
>
> On Apr 2, 2022, at 12:32 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> RivSisters, YES. I so agree. A custom Clem with the name Clementine in 
> pale, sparkly/pearlescent pink would be a DREAMY thing. Rivendell - are you 
> listening? Can we do a special run of these? And yes, Sofia, since the 
> Platypus has been so popular, I hope Riv can make one size smaller and one 
> size bigger so anyone can ride that model. It’s such a splendid bike. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 12:22:34 PM UTC-4 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Christine, sign me up for your custom! I've already got my beloved clem 
>> in RWB blue but my dream custom was a pale pearly pink platypus made to fit 
>> me (the 50 cm is just a hair to big for me!) 
>>  
>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 12:02:54 PM UTC-4 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Mine would be a custom Clem. Painted a sparkly light pink with that 
>>> pearlescent look, built up with all Silver components. And it would have 
>>> custom decals with her proper Clementine name, no more Smith Jr! Oh and 
>>> definitely a different head badge, something colourful and pretty, the Clem 
>>> badge is just kinda boring. At this point, it's not really a Clem anymore I 
>>> guess 路‍♀️
>>> Christine
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:22:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]

 If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
 question yesterday: 

 You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and 
 what style - mixte or normal? 

 Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 

 What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a 
 Rivendell steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry 
 Platypus, but I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping 
 Platypus. Up until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring 
 having a trio of bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the 
 raspberry mixte as my One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, 
 does whatever I want it to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 

 What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
 dream bike? Do you have a photo?
 Leah

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[JAS]

Quickbeam
56cm 
Eugene, OR

https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/eugene-rivendell-quickbeam-56cm/7454571966.html
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 11:05:21 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Hunqapillar in need of repair, $50. 
> 53cm
> Portland, OR
>
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-hunqapillar-needs/7457917053.html
>  
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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[JAS]

Hunqapillar in need of repair, $50. 
53cm
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Re: [Repainted] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route

[JAS]

Jason, thank you for posting your beautiful photos of the perfect bike on 
woodland trails.  Your adventures bring inspiration and awe.  

--Joyce 

On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 9:51:38 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great pics, Jason! Bike looks great, as well. 
>
> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 1:31:29 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> That last photo amongst the logs by the lake is beautiful.
>>
>> On Monday, 14 March 2022 at 11:47:33 UTC+8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Did 50km of muddy, snowy double track and trails today and while I'm 
>>> absolutely smashed, the Bombadil is still shiny I don't understand. 
>>> Dirt won't stick to it. Goes to show what two coats of wet-sanded clearcoat 
>>> will do! 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20220313_195356855.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 26 February 2022 at 17:33:57 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I got a bit further today, thanks to the lack of snow.  

 I stole the Albatross for the Charlie Gallop, because I knew the Wavie 
 was always destined for this bike in the end. It feels very right with 
 this 
 setup - great control on the trail but also comfortable for the road. A 
 fillet faceplate stem will eventually go on when I am able to procure one, 
 and that's the final piece of the puzzle! Shifting is still fickle for 
 some 
 reason, and I'm hoping I just solved it by filing down the excess 
 clearcoat 
 on the derailleur hanger.  We'll see! 

 [image: PXL_20220226_204333039.jpg]

 On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 11:04:18 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words all! 
>
> Brendon - my original plan was to use Jay's / Hunq green, but given 
> there is no paint code available for it I gave some reference to the 
> painter and he presented me with a pretty good range of color swatches 
> from 
> teal-ish greens to olive greens, all metallic as that was a criteria. So 
> this green was chosen from a small sample and I honestly wasn't sure what 
> it would look like on the frame!  I'm happy with it for sure though. 
>
> Takashi - yep! After stripping the clear coat (which is clear 
> powdercoat turns out! Much more robust than I expected, which ironically 
> means if I knew that I'd probably have left it raw...).  He brazed the 
> little adapter on and drilled a small hole near the front of the lower 
> TT.  
> So far, I haven't been able to get it to work which is alarming and 
> upsetting.  I might enlist professionals soon! 
>
> Bill - I knew I enjoy the shape from my Twenty, and the reach is a bit 
> longer on the Bombadil but so far seems good!  I have the Billie and 
> Albastache too and so far, the Albatross is my preference. I'd love to 
> try 
> the Choco's too but would need a longer stem 
>
> Willet - wow, that means a lot! Thanks so much! 
>
> John - Yeah to be honest, this build was with full understanding that 
> I might go back to either the MAP bar or the Wavie bar, but I wanted to 
> give these a proper try because I like the ergonomics of the bar end 
> shifters vs on a thumbshifter pod. Mind you it's kind of annoying how 
> common it is to bump the end of the bar and shift the gears by accident!  
> It was certainly a bit tricky to get the Moto's and the rack to play 
> together and to be honest I still need to do some tweaking - the brake 
> rubs 
> the underside of the Y mount.  The rear Motolite is rubbing the fender, 
> too.  
>
> Eric - Happy to hear! Once I have it all dialed in I'll take some 
> detail photos for sure - right now, it would just highlight all the small 
> issues with the build haha.  Leah mentioned I should email it to Grant so 
> maybe I'll send them both a note with a few photos! 
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 10:05:04 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Another great ride report, Jason! Thanks for sharing your writing 
>> with us. The 
>>
>> The bike looks fantastic. I was an advocate for maintaining the clear 
>> coat but this looks incredible. Beautiful, subtle. Really well done. 
>>
>> For selfish reasons I'd love to see a detailed gallery with close-up 
>> shots of breaks, pedals, hubs. How are those Bubbly pedals? They sure 
>> look 
>> nice but how does the platform and grip compare to the Grip King 
>> Monarch/Gamma?
>>
>> Looks like great riding abounds in your neck of the woods. 
>>
>> The picture on your blog with the moss-covered forest (take from 
>> further away than the one you posted here) is really, really good! You 
>> should sent it to Will, I'd wager he'd include it in an email update 
>> where 
>> others might admire. 
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 12:48:10 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
>>

[RBW] Re: Just shy of 45 lb

[JAS]

Wow!  Patrick, that's a lot of weight.  I carry groceries with my Clem, but 
never that much.  Bravo to you!

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:38:06 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> Patrick, 
>
> Good for you! Staying upright with that much weight on the back end of a 
> 531 frame and a Tubus Fly (lightweight, no?) rack deserves an applause.
> My day will not have such an event worth noting :-)))
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL 
>
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 4:51:04 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I carried 44.2 lb home from Sprout's just now in 2 Ortlieb Backrollers on 
>> a ss Tubus Fly modified by Steven Bilenky for the 2020 Matthews 
>> (geometrical clone of 2003 Curt Riv Custom). I usually like to cut it off 
>> at about 35 lb, but the thinnish-wall, normal gauge 531 frame handled it 
>> with aplomb.
>>
>> My max was 45 even on a possibly even lighter 531 frame, that Motobecane.
>>
>> Really must start adding the Sports Packers in front when I expect this 
>> much stuff, even tho' haven't yet had bottom tabs added to the low riders 
>> -- Can't locate David Salinas local brazer and hoping my brother will buy 
>> torch and gas this summer. 
>>
>> And that was the big event of my day -- a big loop of a detour to make a 
>> shopping trip an excursion on a pretty early spring day, mid-50s, light 
>> breeze, sunny.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Lost 2 Pounds!

[JAS]

Oops! Sorry I forgot to include rim info...yes, they're Cliffhanger rims.  
Thank you all your comments; it's nice to have your feedback and kind 
thoughts.  

The change is noticeable and like Leah, I recognize that the Clem is always 
going to be relatively heavy compared to my Platy.  It's such a terrific 
bike for dirt paths, exploring new roads, getting groceries and tackling 
the stupid, huge gravel somebody in the county office thought was such a 
good idea to spread on one of my favorite trails.  I can bash through there 
with Clem and not think twice about whether the bike or tires or wheels (or 
I?) can handle it.  I had to "tip toe" over it with Platy...riding gingerly 
and getting tossed about.  Clem is no brawler, but with the new shoes I can 
just go for it and hang on.  It's thrilling, really.

Ride on #RivSisters and #RivBrothers!

--Joyce


On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:05:51 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The tires and light tubes alone would make a big difference in ride 
> quality (from what I have expereienced)
>
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:00:14 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am just so curious about this. Stock Atlas rims are 590 grams each. 
>> Cliffhanger is 625 grams! So perhaps your new rims are something else?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Sofie C  wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful clem and wheel build - congrats! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:24:27 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It’s funny because I think they look like Cliffhanger also. Loving my 
>>> Clem which came with Deore / Cliffhanger build & I know they are 
>>> bulletproof but they seem heavy. I cannot imagine an additional 2lbs. of 
>>> rotational weight on this bike. I have been looking into Rene Herse tires 
>>> which by themselves look to save me between 1 - 1.5 lbs. I should mention 
>>> that my wheels have 36 spokes front & rear.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2022, at 10:18 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Nice, Joyce!
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm also interested to know the rims. I can't remember what you had 
>>> before and I can't tell by zooming in but they kinda look like 
>>> Cliffhangers. 
>>>
>>> The bike looks great :) 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:13:16 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Deore hubs but which rims?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I know a lot of people won’t believe that 2 pounds off a bike is a lot 
>>>> but it IS. I’m thrilled for you, RivSister Joyce. The Clem is great but is 
>>>> made greater with better and lighter wheels and tires. I will never, ever 
>>>> part with my Clem! I have a pair of Platys, and one is set up with front 
>>>> and rear racks while the other only has a lightweight rear rack. I can 
>>>> absolutely feel the weight difference. I don’t mind that the mermaid bike 
>>>> is heavy because it’s an errand/shopping bike and I knew it would be 
>>>> stout, 
>>>> but it is a different thing to build a bike and FIND that it feels heavy. 
>>>> You know what I mean?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At any rate, I’m so excited for you. Please post back here now and then 
>>>> and let us know how you’re getting on.
>>>> Love,
>>>> L
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 1:09:50 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Congratulations, Joyce!  Those are some serious “nothing’s going to 
>>>>> stop me riding” tires.  
>>>>>
>>>>>  I, also, couldn’t believe the ride difference when I upgraded my 
>>>>> wheels and tires. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Roberta 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 11:24:42 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You'll probably remember I wrote some time ago asking for ideas on 
>>>>>> how to lighten up my Clem. Thanks to the great advice from this group, I 
>>>>>> *finally* got some new wheels and tires for Clem and oh, what a 
>>>>>> difference!  Clem lost two pounds in the process and I got a more agile 
>>>>>> bike with tires that will handle the mud and just about any other 
>>>>>> trail/roa

[RBW] Re: Riding on the levees

[JAS]

Eric, I'm wondering if you saw any "good old boys drinkin' whisky and 
rye."  (Thanks to you, I'll have that song in my head all day!)


On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 4:14:35 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Those photos are great. Thanks for sharing. I'd love to see that old brick 
> road! I finally looked where Delray Beach is, a yeah, that's way south. 
> Prob much different riding down there. Florida is a pretty fascinating 
> chunk of geography!!
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 7:42:22 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info.
>> Most of those rides appear to be in north and central Florida, where I 
>> rode for 40+ years (lived in Daytona Beach, Gainesville , Tallahassee). I 
>> remember back in the 70s or early 80s, the UF Cycling club (or maybe it had 
>> morphed into the Gainesville Cycling Club by then) did a ride we called the 
>> "Hell or the North" (name was ripped off). It was mostly on dirt roads 
>> north of Gainesville. Many of us were still riding on sew-ups at that time 
>> - others were on narrow 27" tires - 700C was barely a thing in the US at 
>> that point. Not the best tires for the roads, but we managed. 
>> I am working on getting my VO Neutrino up and running now - has 20x2.4 
>> tires and will fit in the Honda Fit better than the Rivendell (which fits 
>> OK in the Honda Element). Also a single speed.
>> Here is a kind of fuzzy picture of my old DTT Sam Hillborne on the Cross 
>> Florida Ride (note the misspelling of "CITRUS" on the Welcome To Polk 
>> County monument) - This is on a short section of brick road of the old 
>> Tampa-Orlando highway:
>>
>> [image: Citurs (2).jpg]
>>
>> Wheel dipper patches from the Cross Florida Ride:
>>
>> [image: WDP (2).jpg]
>>
>>  Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:22:12 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> I've been following this topic with some interest. I don't get over to 
>>> the east coast of FL much, but I ride around on the panhandal a couple 
>>> weeks a year. I've kind of run out of out the door routes though, but I 
>>> found this site today, and it has some amazing looking routes that might be 
>>> close to you Laing: https://www.singletracksamurai.com/ssp-events
>>>
>>> Definitely not day rides, but I bet some of the routes contain some 
>>> section-rides. I may try to make an overnight out of part of the 
>>> trans-florida route along the panhandle next time I get down there.
>>>
>>> Here's my baby bubbe in the swamp:
>>> [image: TourDeSwamp2020.jpg]
>>>
>>> Gonna be 15 deg F here this weekend.
>>> Paul in I wish I was elsewhere AR
>>> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 1:56:15 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I have been doing more riding on the levees in the last few weeks. Both 
 days this weekend. Yesterday was Turkey Vulture Day. They were all over 
 the 
 levee, I think they were resting - very windy. There were a few today also 
 - today's were less skittish - they just walked aside as I approached, 
 didn't take off. Even saw one deer today. I also found a bench on the 
 levee 
 today, still no shade, but at least a place to sit that wasn't in the dirt.
 The bike has gained more parts from the stash. Ergon GP-3 grips on 
 Nitto Wavie bars. Way more comfortable than the Rustines grips. The Nitto 
 Jitensha bars were too narrow at the ends to get the Ergon grips and brake 
 levers on. The 26.0 Dirt Drop stem was switched for a 25.4 Dirt Drop to 
 match the bars. Brooks saddlebag added also. Just a multi-tool in there 
 now, but need to dig up a spare tube, pump and tire iron as my distance 
 increases. The miles seem to go by a lot quicker for some reason on the 
 levees than on bike paths or the road. Not really riding much faster, 
 though, up from 7.1 mph to a blistering 7.8 mph.

 [image: EG3.jpg]

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

>>>

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[RBW] Re: What size fenders on your Platy?

[JAS]

I have the Velo Orange fenders on my Platy also:  700c Zeppelin Fenders, 
52mm - Silver.  They look great and are essential in the rainy PNW.  My 
vision for the build was to keep it light, thus I'm using narrower tires 
than on my Clem.  I have the super wide B65 SKS fenders on Clem and they've 
been just fine.  They're not as fancy as the Zeppelins, but certainly good 
looking, sturdy and functional.  They clear the 2.0 inch tires (650B) and 
have front safety tabs.

Good luck!
--Joyce
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 9:03:10 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Ha! Yes I was asking because of the sale.  I purchased a gift card on sale 
> last year so I get the sale price anyhow.
> Leah, I thought you had 650b fenders that were re-radiused?  Or was that 
> someone else?
> I'm just tired of my 50mm SKS fenders moving around and rubbing on my 42mm 
> tires. I prefer  at least 10mm of clearance instead of 8mm.
>
> -Tom
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Re: [RBW] What saddles are women using on their Riv mixtes?

[JAS]

Hi Linda!  I have used many different saddles over the years including 
Avocet and several Terry models.  I was never comfortable!  When I 
discovered Selle Anatomica, it changed everything.  It's the only saddle I 
ride now and have them on my Bike Friday with drop bars (touring bike) and 
both the Platy and Clem L.  I've always had the model with the steel rails 
(X1) and decided to get the newer version (X2) with the aluminum frame for 
my Platy.  OOPS!  The rail length is shorter on the X2 and I couldn't get 
enough set-back.  Rather than replace the seat-post, I ordered another X1 
and am very happy with it.  

Check out their website; they often have returns or seconds on their sale 
page under "garage sale."  

If you're interested, I'd sell you my X2 (tan color "tool leather with 
silver rivets") for $100 plus shipping. I installed it, rode it for 10 
miles and removed it from the bike so it's essentially brand new.  The 
underside has been waterproofed with SA saddle sauce, per manufacturer's 
directions.  I don't know the geometry of your bike so I can't comment on 
whether you'd have the same set-back issue that I had.  Contact me off-list 
if interested.

RivSisters,
Joyce

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 1:09:38 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> My wife likes the B68S on her Cheviot. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Feb 2, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>
> My better half has a Brooks C-19 on her Platypus with albatross bars. She 
> likes it!
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Linda G  wrote:
>
> I am curious about this because I have tried different saddles on my 
> non-Riv (but similar) lugged steel Velo Orange mixte. What I am looking for 
> may not exist but someone may know of or be using a saddle I haven't run 
> across. I've tried a Brooks B17s, Terry Cite-x and an old Avocet women's 
> touring saddle. The honey brown B17s looks the best but is just not that 
> comfortable. The slippery finish and flared side skirts seem to be part of 
> the problem. I don't really want to punch holes in the skirts and try to 
> tie it together like some people do. The Cite-x is about the size of the 
> Brooks and quite comfortable but looks like an overstuffed sofa. I don't 
> mind the modern look of the Terry touring saddles I have on my other 2 
> bikes, including a Roadini, but I just don't like the look of the Cite-x. 
> The touring saddles are a little too narrow for the mixte. I'm not 
> interested in the Brookes with springs. If the Brooks Cambium came in a 
> short version I would try that. Normal length saddles feel unsafe for me 
> since I catch clothing like baggy shorts on the nose or it just makes 
> getting on and off the bike more difficult. Any experiences or thoughts?
> Linda
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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

[JAS]

Leah, regarding sizing of Showers Pass jackets for womenaccording to 
their height/weight chart, I'd take a size large.  However, after trying 
them on at REI, I found the XL (size 16) fits me best.  I have room for 
layers and the large was too tight around the hips.  If you want to wear 
winter layers, I'd suggest sizing up to a medium.  Are you going to get the 
raspberry jacket?!!  If so, I'm already anticipating the beautiful blend of 
colors in your next Platy pose which you'll post for all to enjoy.

RivSisters,
Joyce

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 11:45:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Garth; since you praise this company and use their tights with 
> satisfaction, I conclude that this Roubaix material is good stuff. Their 
> jerseys look good and reasonably priced for the level of quality.
>
> I'll look again at that Specialized jersey as a light outer layer (at the 
> nearby bike shop), if I don't see a suitable wool exchange for my Kelly 
> green Kucharik.
>
> Moving on to base layers: I find wool to be the best: it doesn't hold 
> water against your skin (it never feels clammy), seems to keep you 
> comfortable over a wider range of temps than synthetics (but then, I've not 
> used synthetic tops for 20 years), and breathes nicely if you don't seal it 
> off from the outside.
>
> It was only 30* this am when I left for church wearing a light merino 
> dress pullover and an Italian wool cycling jacket (from the 1980s) with 
> nylon wind panels. Plus wool watch cap and DeFeet knit wool gloves under 
> the light lined leather Bundeswehr gloves. Pants were the Oslo jeans, and 
> merino socks under Specialized non-mesh mtb shoes. The jacket and top are 
> actually good down to the mid 20s if I add a scarf or Buff or a balaclava 
> under a Walz cap, and switch to PI Lobster gloves over the DeFeets. At 
> least, good for 3 hours which is a lot more than I usually ride in winter.
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 6:53 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I haven't worn the Specialized jersey but by the description it 
>> uses a type of thermal Roubaix type fabric, which is a generic term that 
>> refers to a bi-component polyester, smooth on the outside and fleeced on 
>> the inside. Some brands use hollow fibers which greatly add to the 
>> insulating qualities. Boure for one uses hollow core fibers in their 
>> thermal fabrics. Boure tights are also high waist type, and you can tell on 
>> the product pages. No plumbers butt !  Boure also does custom work for a 
>> 25% added fee. Everything is made on site in their Colorado shop.  They 
>> also have a jacket and vest of that fabric that has a supplex nylon front 
>> and shoulder yoke to block the wind. A supplex wind jacket/vest with mesh 
>> backs also. While I haven't the need for any of their apparel as I all I 
>> need at this time, I appreciate the local, in-house business model. 
>> https://www.boure.com/6504.html
>> https://www.boure.com/tightsmen.html
>> https://www.boure.com/jacketsvests.html
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

[JAS]

So Leah, is there something wrong with owning two jackets...one for each 
bike color combination?  

Joyce (who loves jackets, owns many and should start sending one to the 
thrift shop when a new one is acquired).

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:29:37 PM UTC-8 WilletM wrote:

>
> Another enthusiastic vote for Showers Pass Elite and Refuge (and other 
> models) jackets as outer layers in cold/dry conditions.  Winter riding in 
> western Colorado at 6000' of altitude is exceptionally comfortable, whether 
> it's snowing (which is basically dry conditions) or actually dry outside.  
> I do find that the pit zips alone are not sufficient for ventilation 
> (staying in that target zone of cool and dry) in the temperature range of 
> 20-35 F. where I most prefer to ride.  So I usually am working the front 
> zipper of my shell (and also a half-zip 100 weight fleece underneath) up 
> and down as needed to keep my upper torso cool (and therefore dry) rather 
> than warm.
>
> As I believe others have mentioned, ventilating the sleeves (and keeping 
> your arms/layers dry) is typically more difficult due to limited options 
> for directing airflow (compared to the torso).  I mostly address this by 
> keeping my torso/layers extra cool/dry when I feel my sleeves starting to 
> get clammy.  
>
> It certainly is true, at least in my experience over quite a few years, 
> that it is MUCH more challenging to stay cool during cold weather riding 
> conditions than it is to stay warm.  Warm is usually just a zipped-up 
> zipper or amped-up heartrate away, whereas cooling off and drying out takes 
> time and patience and practice to get the correct "recipe" to match the air 
> temp outside.  But in the end, the (often rather expensive, admittedly) 
> accumulation of clothing and gear, and the numerous test runs and 
> trial/error periods of getting to the point of dressing properly for the 
> NOW temperature/conditions and taking a few extra pieces to address the 
> LATER temp/conditions is really, really rewarding.  A sunny day at 25 
> degrees and a smooth asphalt shoulder along the highway is, for me, about 
> as good as it gets for mid-winter bicycling.
>
> Willet M.
> Carbondale, CO
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 4:33:19 PM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>
>> I like my Showers Pass Elite jacket for cold weather and rain.  Yes, it 
>> can be vented under the arms and has a cape-like back vent for air flow.  
>> If I don't open the arm vents, it can build up a little moisture, but 
>> nothing that makes me cold.  If it's super cold, I use a very heavy wool 
>> Patagonia crew neck base layer I got years ago to wear under my dry suit 
>> for kayaking, but it would probably be overkill for folks who run hot.  
>>
>> I use the fanny pack trick when it's really cold and windy.  I don't have 
>> a "pants-gap" issue; instead, I just like all the help I can get to keep 
>> the cold out.  Good point about tucking a couple of the top layers into 
>> your pants and having a waist-band high enough to do so.  
>>
>> One more tip:  A stretchy Gor-Tex helmet cover keeps the rain out and 
>> blocks the helmet vent holes.  Combined with a thin wool beanie, my head 
>> and ears stay warm.  It looks a bit like mushroom-head, but that's the 
>> price I pay for warmth!   
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 11:17:53 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Joyce and others: a question and some remarks.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:49 AM JAS  wrote:
>>>
>>>> *Showers Pass jacket with pit zips for core ventilation.  
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I always assumed that SP jackets were meant for rain. Question: Do 
>>> they serve well (because of pit zips) as an outer layer and insulator for 
>>> dry-weather cold-temperature (32 south to teens) over wool layers? 
>>>
>>> *Outdoor Research winter gloves with long gauntlet
>>>>
>>>
>>> ODR or other, certainly yes to long gauntlets. I very often will wear 
>>> repurposed street gloves (like the Bundeswehr pair) that are very nice but 
>>> leave a 1/2" gap between end of cuff and beginning of glove; not nice at 
>>> 25*!
>>>  
>>>
>>>> wearing a fanny pack or waist pack will also help keep the cold from 
>>>> coming up the bottom of your jacket
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rant begins! *Cycling bottoms, tights or pants, should have waists high 
>>> enough in the back that even when in the hooks of a drop bar the waistband 
>>> does not separate from your top layer!!!* I can't say how many, 
>>> often expensive w

Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

[JAS]

I like my Showers Pass Elite jacket for cold weather and rain.  Yes, it can 
be vented under the arms and has a cape-like back vent for air flow.  If I 
don't open the arm vents, it can build up a little moisture, but nothing 
that makes me cold.  If it's super cold, I use a very heavy wool Patagonia 
crew neck base layer I got years ago to wear under my dry suit for 
kayaking, but it would probably be overkill for folks who run hot.  

I use the fanny pack trick when it's really cold and windy.  I don't have a 
"pants-gap" issue; instead, I just like all the help I can get to keep the 
cold out.  Good point about tucking a couple of the top layers into your 
pants and having a waist-band high enough to do so.  

One more tip:  A stretchy Gor-Tex helmet cover keeps the rain out and 
blocks the helmet vent holes.  Combined with a thin wool beanie, my head 
and ears stay warm.  It looks a bit like mushroom-head, but that's the 
price I pay for warmth!   


On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 11:17:53 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Joyce and others: a question and some remarks.
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:49 AM JAS  wrote:
>
>> *Showers Pass jacket with pit zips for core ventilation.  
>
>
> 1. I always assumed that SP jackets were meant for rain. Question: Do they 
> serve well (because of pit zips) as an outer layer and insulator for 
> dry-weather cold-temperature (32 south to teens) over wool layers? 
>
> *Outdoor Research winter gloves with long gauntlet
>>
>
> ODR or other, certainly yes to long gauntlets. I very often will wear 
> repurposed street gloves (like the Bundeswehr pair) that are very nice but 
> leave a 1/2" gap between end of cuff and beginning of glove; not nice at 
> 25*!
>  
>
>> wearing a fanny pack or waist pack will also help keep the cold from 
>> coming up the bottom of your jacket
>>
>
> Rant begins! *Cycling bottoms, tights or pants, should have waists high 
> enough in the back that even when in the hooks of a drop bar the waistband 
> does not separate from your top layer!!!* I can't say how many, often 
> expensive winter riding pants I've bought only to find that they are 
> stupidly, stupidly cut like last year's hipster jeans. I've had expensive 
> pants -- Enduras, Osloh jeans so beloved of BSNYC -- retailored in the 
> waist to fit more snugly and reduce this gapping tendency. And I'm not 
> talking of gapping due to an oversized belly and slipping waist, either. 
> Rant ends.
>
> But the most comfortable riding bottoms of all, ever, besides 
> cycling-specific tights (which seem all to be cut high in back) are 
> converted mens' dress pants from long before today's modern, low-cut and 
> tight re-makes of 1960s pants. These come up high enough to well overlap or 
> underlap your jersey, and to hold a tucked-in layer securely tucked in when 
> you are bent over the hooks. (Speaking of 1960s: 1960s dress pants are old 
> even for me, but I recall owning in the mid 1980s a very nice pair of dress 
> wools that must have been 20 years old then: pegged like Jack Kennedy but 
> high in waist like your grandfather's pants. Wish I'd kept them.)
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

[JAS]

Lots of good advice here!  I use much of the same techniques and have my 
favorite "go to" stuff from cross country skiing and several years of bike 
commuting in Denver.  It doesn't get as cold in the PNW but here's what I 
like when it gets cold:

*Smart Wool quarter zip long sleeve shirts (usually 2, sometimes with a 
wool sleeveless as well)
*wool vest (when it gets into the 20s)
*Showers Pass jacket with pit zips for core ventilation.  
*wool long underwear
*bike pants with windproof front, breathable back.
*waterproof hiking shoes with wool socks 
*Outdoor Research winter gloves with long gauntlet
*ankle straps for visibility and to keep the cold from coming up the pant 
leg (wearing a fanny pack or waist pack will also help keep the cold from 
coming up the bottom of your jacket)

Leah, there's a "berry" colored Showers Pass jacket that would be very 
pretty with your Platy.  
https://www.showerspass.com/products/womens-syncline-cc-jacket?variant=19622463897688
 

Good luck and keep riding!

#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:22:48 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks. That would be ideal. The "see something similar) models that the 
> REI site sent me to showed me only fleece and all-synthetic alternatives.
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 9:21 PM  wrote:
>
>> I’ve been wearing an Arc’Teryx A2B Commuter jacket this winter and I’m 
>> really liking it. It has Gore Windstopper on the front panels and open 
>> weave wool panels on the back to vent heat. 
>>
>> No pit zips but I find that opening the zipper allows plenty of air in to 
>> release excess heat. Not made any more but I found one on close out. Here 
>> is REI’s description of the jacket:
>>
>> https://www.rei.com/product/133629/arcteryx-a2b-comp-jacket-mens
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I'll be particularly interested in others' opinions on the Junction and 
>> on other, similar non-wool, wind-front jackets with pit zips. In 
>> particular, whether they allow comfort over a, say, 30* temp range, by 
>> opening front and pit zips as temps rise.
>>
>> I'll often ride out in the 20s and come back in the 50s, and yes, a shell 
>> of some sort is very nice at 20*F and wind.
>>
>> I have a light lined shell -- ie, mid-weight nylon shell with light 
>> lining of some sort. Fine at 20 or 30 over a wool jersey or wool jersey and 
>> Ibex wool vest, but sweaty at 45 or 50 until I had pit zips installed; 
>> unzip front 1/4, open pits, flowthrough solves that problem.
>>
>> Is the Junction similar? Are there other cycling jackets (pockets, 
>> please!) with high, zipped neck and pit zips?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 9:28 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> REI jacket is not, admittedly, wool. But it gets wonderful reviews and it 
>> does have pit vents, reflectors and is made from recycled nylon so it’s not 
>> contributing to the landfill problem. The hood is meant to fit over the 
>> helmet - a huge plus.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

[JAS]

Patrick,
Here's an Ortlieb shopper I spotted this morning on the Seattle Craigslist:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bop/d/bellevue-ortlieb-waterproof-bike-basket/7436299979.html

--Joyce
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:10 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thank you, Pat; this is the one. REI is out and I don't see it on other 
> sites, but I'll keep looking.
>
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 6:33 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>
>> Love my ortlieb bike shopper. Much better than a back roller for 
>> groceries. It used to come in red. I've got one in red
>>
>> https://www.rei.com/product/885305/ortlieb-bike-shopper-pannier-single
>>
>> Pat in DC
>>
>> On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 12:03:39 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Eric; and those come in red, too!
>>>
>>> I want something with a flap and something that can be adapted to an 
>>> Ortlieb or Arkle-type "clamp" mounting system and be offset to the rear by 
>>> about 3". I've owned at least 2 different grocery panniers of this design, 
>>> and they work well on smooth unobstructed routes, but I've lost one such 
>>> similar pannier when riding on a dirt road; either fell off on a bump, or 
>>> perhaps was scraped off when I went through some path entry barriers. 
>>> (Fortunately I had nothing particularly valuable in the pannier at the 
>>> time.)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 9:22 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 Forgive me if these don't check all of your boxes, I don't have that 
 much processing power. But check 'em out! 

 https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FGBP

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Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[JAS]

Joe, I love this "All-Rounder" idea because they're all such versatile 
bikes.  Actually, most people don't seem to care what I'm riding and 
frankly, I don't care what they think.  If I'm riding and having fun, 
that's what counts.  My bikey friends are very good at "oohing and ahhing" 
with me over the beautiful details when the bikes are new, then it's old 
news and we just ride to get coffee, explore the rail-to-trail, zip around 
the campground or cruise down the beach road.  My list includes Clem:  
shopping and trail All Rounder, Platy:  go fast and rainy day All Rounder, 
Bike Friday:  Touring  and paved trail All Rounder.  That's it!  Just ride!

Cheers to all the RivSisters and RivBrothers!
-Joyce

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:07:40 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "This is my go-fast All Rounder, and this is my shopping All Rounder. Oh 
> this one? That's my weekend All Rounder!" 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:04:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> We need several All Rounders for the All Arounding we’re always doing. 
>> Duh. 
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I tend to refer to the type of bike my Rivendells are as an "all-rounder" 
>> when asked. Of course that then begs the question why I need several of 
>> them... 
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 3:32 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>>> It reminds me of shoes. What kind of shoes are you wearing? Walking, 
>>> running, tennis, track, etc. I'm just wearing shoes to go mobile. I'm just 
>>> riding my bicycle and it is a ride bike!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 5:32:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 After all this time watching (and contributing silliness to) this 
 thread, I still don't know what we are. Shortly after I picked up my 
 custom 
 someone asked me what kind of bike I got and I said road bike. Because I 
 had it designed to be lightish and zippy on the road; no hardcore trail 
 riding, no touring loads. But when you look at it there's high Billie Bars 
 and a droptube Platypus-style and does not say "road bike" to anyone 
 asking 
 that question! 

 So I ride my Rivendell in town and when people ask me what kind of 
 riding I do they get a whole paragraph 路

 Joe Bernard

 On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:31:09 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved 
> to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The 
> Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. 
> This 
> List has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I 
> want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop 
> that 
> hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>
> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>
> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, 
> and I don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would 
> tick off other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons 
> on the way to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works 
> for 
> your group and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us 
> all 
> nervous.) I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag 
> for a group. I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. 
> I 
> suppose I will just have to risk it.
>
> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of 
> their friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, 
> I 
> doubt I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. 
> When 
> I say I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to 
> mountain bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, 
> I 
> don’t have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike 
> people assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I 
> don’t 
> know what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? 
> Who do we ride with?
>
> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and 
> there are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, 
> raspberry sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>
> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though 
> I suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
> these people I can talk to?!
>
> The 

[RBW] Re: WTB albatross or similar setup

[JAS]

Esteban,
I saw an albatross bar advertised in the Seattle Craigslist.  Here's the 
link:

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bop/d/seattle-rivendell-nitto-albatross-cromo/7429428469.html
 

Good luck!
--Joyce
On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC-8 Esteban wrote:

> Looking for an Albatross or similar bar/stem combo for an idea I’d like to 
> try. Well- loved/tape residue/some scuffs fine. I may just borrow from my 
> Quickbeam, but thought I’d try here first.
>
> Parents/grandparents of small children: I’m posting a Bobike mini and MUSA 
> Burley Picolo later this week if trade is  thinking.
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Secret Platy

[JAS]

Thanks, Leah!  I appreciate your help and now I will contemplate my options.

On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 7:36:56 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Joyce: here’s a blue bag. I didn’t attach the Backabikes because it’s cold 
> out here! But here is my aqua Clementine with the blue bags attached. Hope 
> this helps…
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:22 AM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> I always thought the raspberry Platypus was a stunner but that mermaid 
> one is something else with those nifty color accents!  I can't decide which 
> one I like the best! 
>
>
> Nice job, Leah and Analog!
>
> As Bill Lindsay says...APPROVE❤
>
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 4:12:20 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> The Secret Platy is finally home and it’s too cold and icy to ride it. 
>> But, it’s a Platy so it gets 5 stars. Here are some glamour shots of my 
>> favorite things about the Secret Platy, as well as photos of my Pair ‘O 
>> Platys and my trio of Rivendells. I’ll do this in a few posts, since it’s 
>> going to be photo-heavy…
>>
>> Favorite things: new green and gold bags, gold headlight, colorful, 
>> earthy spoke nipples, gold chain…
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2021, at 8:07 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Joe, that mismatched bolt and brake bridge are my favorite details!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Green and yellow/gold on the fork crown, I totally missed that! The cap 
>> that tightens the cassette down is green, too. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 3:25:54 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I love your new not-so-secret Platy.  The greens and golds are rich.  
>>> Did you notice also the different color nuts (not sure what they are 
>>> called) on the fork crown?  The gold color of the chain ring bolts?  the 
>>> green spacer?  Even the chain has a golden undertone.
>>>
>>> And, of course, you know about the ride.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 9:34:35 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I’ve gotten questions about my no-longer Super Secret Bike, so I’ll 
 answer them here, and attach photos (which you may have already seen on 
 Analog’s Instagram or the Mermaid thread). The photos are courtesy of 
 Analog. I don’t yet have the bike. It was ordered in May, and only now 
 have 
 the parts arrived to make it a whole bike.

 I made the decision to make my pair of Rivendells a trio this summer. I 
 made a new goal to run more errands by bike. This was a challenge, because 
 as I’ve said before, the hills/mountains in Vegas are punishing. My 
 raspberry Platypus is set up with only a saddlebag support; I wanted to 
 keep that bike unburdened. The Clem is heavy, and putting a load and then 
 pedaling up the mountain was miserable. So, a 3rd bike, a mixte, with 
 racks 
 and bags was on my wish list. A bike I could load up and lock up, and not 
 worry about. The Rosco Platy was rumored to be arriving in July, and I was 
 hoping for one of those. But news came that they would have beefy tubing 
 and were delayed indefinitely, so I gave up that idea. 

 It occurred to me I could try for another Platypus. But the presale was 
 long over and the new Platys were all living with their new owners. BUT, I 
 found one dealer who had a 55 mermaid frame sitting in the box and no one 
 had purchased it. I bought it had the frame sent to Analog and they did a 
 complete build for me in their trademark colorful style. We went with an 
 earthy look; greens and golds on that mermaid paint. We mixed up the brake 
 colors (one side bronze, one side green) and had a lot of fun with 
 colorful 
 spoke nipples and valve stems. The lime pedals slay me. SON makes colorful 
 lights, so we added those as well. And best of all, I got to try Garbaruk 
 - 
 prettier cogs and pulleys might exist but I’m doubtful. This is my first 
 1x 
 build. The front and rear Nitto racks were saved from previous bikes and 
 will be installed with the lights mounted on them. I will add olive 
 Backabikes on the rear and a Goldilocks Fanny to the bars.

 Since the bike was ordered, major life changes have occurred. We moved 
 to southwest Michigan last week, and the Clem would be no trouble on the 
 elevation here. This 2nd Platy is now probably superfluous. But, I’m still 
 overjoyed to have it, and like the other 2 bikes, it will get plenty of 
 miles. The winter has been mild so far and in between the chores of 
 setting 
 up the new house and unpacking our things, I’ve been out on some brief 
 rides. People here keep telling me I need a “beater bike” for the winter, 
 but I just like riding my Rivendells. Should I tell them this is my beater 
 bike? 

 A common question I get that I’ll address 

[RBW] Re: A Pumpkin Platypus, Perchance?

[JAS]

Heather, welcome to this esteemed group and especially to the super classy 
RivSisters!  You've got a beautiful bike and I'm really happy for you.  I'm 
going to look forward to your reports of trail riding and how it handles.  
Please tell us which tires you've shorn her with.  Also, I hope you'll post 
photos while riding amongst the fall foliage; can you just imagine that 
subtle pumpkin Platy camouflaged by a riot of autumn color?  

Carl, great Clem!  So cool that you got it out in the snow.  We had snow 
here recently, but my Clem tires are too smooth to try riding in it.  Which 
tires are you running?

#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 5:22:59 AM UTC-8 Gill wrote:

> Ooh, Heather just so you know I’m going to casually use that music/trail 
> analogy line in future conversations and you will go uncredited. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 12:39:19 AM UTC-5 Heather Hayes wrote:
>
>> Thank you all so very much for your kind words and comments! It feels 
>> like my new Platy had a birthday party and everyone came to celebrate! :) 
>>
>> Garth, thank you for the warm welcome despite my tardiness! I too love 
>> the 3x drivetrain, with the smaller jumps between gears keep the cadence 
>> more consistent. Such a smooth ride!
>>
>> Wally, I second the motion to keep your Quickbeam orange! And there are 
>> just so many great oranges to choose from, you can't go wrong.
>>
>> Ryan, glad to meet a fellow 'stache fan and I appreciate the affirmation 
>> that I DID in fact need another Rivendell! My first one in 2020 and my 
>> second one in 2021... at this rate, I better slow down! ;)
>>
>> Roberta, thank you so much for the RivSister welcome! Asheville is so 
>> beautiful and there's so much exploring to do. I find myself riding certain 
>> trails repeatedly, like playing a favorite song over and over again on a 
>> piano in order to perfect the melody. But I need to break out and make new 
>> music in the endless landscape of these mountains!
>>
>> Laura!! I'm so happy to "see" you again here on the forum! It made my 
>> whole day when you shouted out PLATYPUS!!! I skidded to a stop in 
>> astonishment, so surprised to meet a fellow Riv-enthusiast in the real 
>> world! So glad to hear that your notion, your inkling, your "what if" is 
>> now a dream (in color!) that will soon be the reality of Riv-ownership. I'm 
>> sure everyone here would be happy to do some enabling toward that very 
>> outcome! You won't regret it. Please keep us posted about your plans! 
>>
>> Leah, I remember spying that root beer Platy peeking out from the 
>> periphery within the Blahg! Three color palette busting renegades, we are! 
>>
>> David, thank you! These are my first cantis and I'm really liking them. 
>> Plus, the brake pads were orange, so how could I resist?? 
>>
>> Kate, congratulations on scoring a Mermaid!!! I remember your #PlatyPose 
>> photo and your bike is a beauty. (Plus you made the bike hoisting look 
>> effortless! I was mumbling obscenities through my teeth while holding mine 
>> up, ha!) 
>>
>> Carl, so nice to meet a fellow Ashevillian! I believe you may have seen a 
>> super-secret first-ever-taken photo of the initial build when my bike guru 
>> bestie sent a sneak preview, hehe. He said you were pleased and I was 
>> beaming with pride that my new Pumpkin Platy had received her very first 
>> compliment! :) I love the dark gold of your Clem, which looks especially 
>> regal in the snowy landscape.
>>
>> Liz, finding a rear bag was also difficult for me due to lack of 
>> clearance over the tire. The bag on my Platy is a Nigel Smythe that I 
>> bought used from a fellow Riv rider locally and I'm in love with it almost 
>> as much as the bike. The scalloped leather closures fit so perfectly over 
>> the rounded, brassy studs that it gives the same satisfying pop of putting 
>> a final puzzle piece into place every time I latch it. I initially bought a 
>> Sackville BagBoy from Riv, but alas, it was too tall. If my calculations 
>> are correct, the new Sackville SlimSucker mght work for our clearance 
>> challenges!
>>
>> I won't monopolize any more of your time this evening, but since I 
>> promised my Cheviot she would get to attend the Platy Party as a special 
>> guest, she will make her debut tomorrow. :) (She's rolling her eyes because 
>> her flashier sister is stealing the spotlight lately!) Thanks again, 
>> everyone! I'm grateful to join such a supportive community and love how 
>> Rivendells bring us all together, from strangers to fellow UNracers united! 
>>
>> On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 11:37:13 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Well Laura, hope your Platypus dreams can be realized.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 5:09:16 PM UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

 I love this thread…but perhaps I love most how wildly similar Leah and 
 Heather are to one another. It makes me laugh.

 I also love that Laura shouted out “A 

Re: [RBW] Re: Secret Platy

[JAS]

This color scheme just keeps getting better!  As always, the anticipation 
and planning is half the fun.  

Happy New Year to all!

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 7:55:39 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> That is going to be beautiful together! Can’t wait to see some pictures of 
> it out in the wild, enjoy!
>
> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 6:38:25 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Secret Platy is shipping soon, but meanwhile the olive Backabike bags 
>> (that I hope will be perfect) have arrived. They look gray with a green 
>> tint.  Front bag will be the Ron’s Goldilocks Fanny. Here’s the trio. This 
>> bike is going places! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:01 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Liz,
>>
>> Your story is so exciting.  You've happily ridden a fabulous bike for 15 
>> years and now it's time for a change up.  Isn't the Clem L marvelous?  I've 
>> only ridden one for a short ride or two, but it was smooth, like a 
>> Cadillac.  I know it's "heavy" but it sure doesn't ride heavy.  I have a 
>> Platy for my step through and retirement (in a few years) bike, and if I 
>> had more room, I'd love to have a Clem L, too.  
>>
>> So, welcome to the board and to being a RivSister!  Many happy miles of 
>> smiles, and be sure to post a bike picture if you can.  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 12:32:19 PM UTC-5 meti...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello from a long-time Rivendell Atlantis rider/first time poster to 
>>> this group…and congratulations on your beautiful new Platypus, Leah. For 
>>> more than 15 years, I commuted 26 round-trip, hillyish miles to work two or 
>>> three days per week on my Atlantis; now I’m 63-years old, no longer 
>>> commuting to work, and my aging hips make it clear it’s time for a 
>>> step-through frame, so I entered the Clem lottery. Last week my new 
>>> Rivendell-built-up Clem arrived, and I fell head over heels at the first 
>>> pedal stroke. I thought I’d simply take it on an easy first ride to get the 
>>> feel of the new set up, but I returned home 10 miles later. Somewhere in 
>>> those miles, my anxieties regarding a longer-wheelbased, heavier bike 
>>> dissipated. I was sooo relieved.  
>>>
>>> This is just to say that I loaded this Clem with racks and baskets etc 
>>> for hauling …and because I feel the need to replace my Atlantis with a 
>>> step-through frame for lighter, more carefree rides, I, too, am eyeing a 
>>> Platypus. :) 
>>>
>>> I’ve enjoyed reading all of your posts here…they’ve been invaluable to 
>>> me as I’ve pondered how to age while continuing to ride an excellent and 
>>> beautiful bike; and I’m also so grateful for Will and James at Rivendell 
>>> for their continued reassurances that this 53cm Clem should, in fact, fit 
>>> 5’3” me. I was both excited and terrified at what would arrive on my porch, 
>>> and I’m elated that I already love it. 
>>>
>>> Liz in Cincinnati, OH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 3:01:40 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>>> You all make a girl feel so good about these purchases. It is good to 
>>>> be among like minds! 
>>>>
>>>> I am really looking forward to seeing this bike in person, but it will 
>>>> be after the New Year when I get back from Christmas in Minnesota. And yes 
>>>> we are having a wild time snowmobiling in the meantime! 
>>>>
>>>> Leah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is my defense 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://bikeyface.com/2016/01/12/new-shoes/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 6:52:12 AM UTC-8 Jingy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "No more bikes, ever. I’m set!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Famous last words!
>>>>> Nice bike!
>>>>> Jim In Mpls
>>>>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 10:33:28 PM UTC-6 JAS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's cool, it's you!  What a colorful bike, fun secret project and 
>>>>>> exciting reveal; no doubt you'll have many happy miles hauling your 
>>>>>> groceries and other stuff when the Michigan weather cooperates which 
&

Re: [RBW] Re: Secret Platy

[JAS]

Liz, congratulations on your Clem!  May you have many pleasurable miles 
whether for exercise, utility or leisure.  I'm another one of those 2-bike 
RivSisters.  I got a used Clem first and then the Platy a couple of years 
later; I love them both for many of the reasons Leah has explained.  I have 
the Clem set up to haul groceries and ride gravel trails.  The Platy is my 
"go-fast" bike that still might get a rack sometime.  Because I'm in the 
rainy (now snowy!) Pacific Northwest, they both have fenders as well.  I've 
had a hip replacement and find the step-through frame so convenient I'll 
never go back to a diamond frame.  As you know, these bikes are a delight 
to ride.

Keep dreaming about that Platy...

#RiveSisters,
Joyce

On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 11:25:57 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Dear Liz,
>
> I really cannot overemphasize how delighted I am to read your note. 
> Congratulations on a long track record of faithfully commuting on your 
> Atlantis. You are an example to us, #RivSister! Also, congratulations on 
> your retirement - may you have even more happy miles to fill the days.
>
> Let’s talk Clems and Platys. If you end up with both, you’ll join a 
> well-populated group of us (mostly women) who own a Clem-Platy pair. I am 
> not at all surprised that you adore your new Clem. I have said so many 
> times that bike feels like a hero and a hug. 2020 was one of the roughest 
> years of my life and that Clem got me through. It was honestly the best 
> thing I had access to in my grieving process. Because of that, I still 
> associate it with stress-relief, and that is the bike I ride when all is 
> not right in my world. Ah, but the Platypus. It’s a completely different 
> bike and just as essential. Not as convenient to put a leg through, but 
> convenient enough, and also gorgeous. Rides swiftly and easily. Good clean 
> fun! The Clem feels longer and plusher. You’ll fall in love with BOTH. And 
> please, do share your photos. We welcome them! ♥️
> #RivSisters,
> Leah
>
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Liz Tilton  wrote:
>
> Hello from a long-time Rivendell Atlantis rider/first time poster to this 
> group…and congratulations on your beautiful new Platypus, Leah. For more 
> than 15 years, I commuted 26 round-trip, hillyish miles to work two or 
> three days per week on my Atlantis; now I’m 63-years old, no longer 
> commuting to work, and my aging hips make it clear it’s time for a 
> step-through frame, so I entered the Clem lottery. Last week my new 
> Rivendell-built-up Clem arrived, and I fell head over heels at the first 
> pedal stroke. I thought I’d simply take it on an easy first ride to get the 
> feel of the new set up, but I returned home 10 miles later. Somewhere in 
> those miles, my anxieties regarding a longer-wheelbased, heavier bike 
> dissipated. I was sooo relieved.  
>
>
> This is just to say that I loaded this Clem with racks and baskets etc for 
> hauling …and because I feel the need to replace my Atlantis with a 
> step-through frame for lighter, more carefree rides, I, too, am eyeing a 
> Platypus. :) 
>
> I’ve enjoyed reading all of your posts here…they’ve been invaluable to me 
> as I’ve pondered how to age while continuing to ride an excellent and 
> beautiful bike; and I’m also so grateful for Will and James at Rivendell 
> for their continued reassurances that this 53cm Clem should, in fact, fit 
> 5’3” me. I was both excited and terrified at what would arrive on my porch, 
> and I’m elated that I already love it. 
>
> Liz in Cincinnati, OH
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 3:01:40 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> You all make a girl feel so good about these purchases. It is good to be 
>> among like minds! 
>>
>> I am really looking forward to seeing this bike in person, but it will be 
>> after the New Year when I get back from Christmas in Minnesota. And yes we 
>> are having a wild time snowmobiling in the meantime! 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>>
>> This is my defense 
>>
>>
>> http://bikeyface.com/2016/01/12/new-shoes/
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 6:52:12 AM UTC-8 Jingy wrote:
>>
>>> "No more bikes, ever. I’m set!"
>>>
>>> Famous last words!
>>> Nice bike!
>>> Jim In Mpls
>>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 10:33:28 PM UTC-6 JAS wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's cool, it's you!  What a colorful bike, fun secret project and 
>>>> exciting reveal; no doubt you'll have many happy miles hauling your 
>>>> 

[RBW] Re: Secret Platy

[JAS]

It's cool, it's you!  What a colorful bike, fun secret project and exciting 
reveal; no doubt you'll have many happy miles hauling your groceries and 
other stuff when the Michigan weather cooperates which could be any day you 
aren't snowmobiling!  Congratulations, Leah.  I'm really happy for you!

#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 7:38:38 PM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
> That new Platypus is the coolest!
>
> Love the color combos...
>
> You outdid yourself!
>
> Congrats and may you have many joyful and safe miles on Secret Platy.
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
> PS.
>
> I saw some of Garbaruk stuff on their site.
>
> Did most of the color parts come from Garbaruk?
>
> .
>

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Re: [RBW] More...Autumn in Japan

[JAS]

Your photos are beautiful, John.  The light and composition of the first 
one with the trees bending over your bike should be on a magazine cover.  
Brilliant.

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 4:12:33 PM UTC-8 Tirebiter ATX wrote:

> stunning photos!
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 6:10 PM esoterica etc  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your pics John, they are gorgeous! Would love to visit 
>> Japan someday. Enjoy your Thanksgiving weekend,
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 6:43 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> Spent the day in the Tanzawa-Oyama mountains enjoying perfect 
>>> temperatures, steep, isolated tracks, and stunning Autumn colors. Thankful, 
>>> indeed!
>>> [image: IMG_0291.jpeg][image: IMG_0280.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_0296.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_0285.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_0303.jpeg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thanksgiving rides? and a Platy goes on 1st cruise

[JAS]

It looks like all Platy owners need to get a pair of mittens (or at least 
1/2 of a pair) so we are properly outfitted for the secret Platy Salute.  
I'm going to get right on it!  Must they be plaid?  Love the salute 
idea...it's so unique and sly; others won't know what the heck we're doing. 

#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:01:46 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:

> Got up early and headed out after six to ride out to the Point where the 
> Allegheny and Monongahela Rivers become the Ohio River.
>
> Short Thanksgiving Ride. 
>
> Will consider taking the brew kit next time, otherwise a perfect lead in 
> to the rest of the day's festivities.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:55:40 PM UTC-5 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> Anyone get any nice Thanksgiving rides in yesterday? Care to share?!
>>
>> We took a nice ride along the East Branch of the Westfield River in 
>> Chesterfield, MA. 12 miles roundtrip on an old truck road. Picnic on a 
>> sandbar. Probably picked up some ticks too! I've never been here, I have no 
>> real connection to MA, and it was, dare I say, gorges? (nyuk nyuk nyuk, 
>> with apologies to Ithaca) Someone inaugurated their Platypus on the ride as 
>> well! Stupendous! Thanksgiving rides are the best.
>>
>> Yup, all drivetrain side down at Picnic Time. There was another bike but 
>> off frame. That's my Clem in the front and my older Surly CC with a Alfine 
>> 8 and Albatross bars that is now basically my brothers bike since he 
>> commandeered it from me two years ago and hasn't given it back:
>> [image: PXL_20211125_191837010.jpg]
>>
>> Proud new Platypus owner! "My wrists didn't hurt!" and "I can't believe I 
>> rode 12 miles over all those rocks and I feel fine today" means that we 
>> have achieved SUCCESS:
>> [image: PXL_20211125_192734966.jpg]
>>
>> Displaying the "International Signal for Saluting Fellow Platypus Riders:"
>> [image: PXL_20211125_193218705.jpg]
>>
>> Some scenery. I should have taken more pictures but we were riding and 
>> having a good time. No sense in ruining moments to stop. Live in the moment 
>> and all that. The bikes got good and muddy, as did our backsides. Wicked 
>> comfortable mounts for this type of riding. 
>> [image: PXL_20211125_194032671.jpg]
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[JAS]

Leah, you are a star!  Thanks for asking Grant about the seat post.  I'm 
in!  I'd gladly pre-order and pitch in some money as well.  It's so 
elegant.  If they make it they should call it the Platyfied S84.

#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 10:02:23 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Alright you guys, I emailed Grant asking (begging?) for a seat post. I 
> said you people sent me. I also said maybe we have to fundraise. I’d gladly 
> chip in money to make this project happen. Maybe he will say he already has 
> something in the works. Maybe he will know of a place that already makes a 
> 26.8 setback seat post without all the workarounds in the ones listed here. 
> There’s no telling, but I suppose it doesn’t hurt to ask.
> L
>
> On Nov 24, 2021, at 9:30 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Great recs, Garth! 
>
> An S84 in 26.8 seems super unlikely. But, damnit, I will continue to dream 
> by dreams. And it's a dream I share with at least a dozen other board 
> members :) 
>
> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 10:24:12 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I'm hardly a mechanic, Garth, but what you're saying sure makes a LOT of 
>> sense...much better than begging for a 26.8 lugged seatpost...which is 
>> probably not gonna happen anytime soon with all the Covid-induced supply 
>> chain woes...to say nothing of enough demand to make a run of these 
>> feasible.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 6:57:39 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Oh how I would not be the recipient of that email !   


>>> You know slipping head on single bolt seatposts is not uncommon and some 
>>> design are worse than others. The most prudent thing a user can do is to 
>>> use a longer allen wrench for more leverage, like one 6-8 inches long. I 
>>> can't tell by photos, but it's either 5 or 6mm. Some blue loctite applies 
>>> to the threads can also prevent it from loosening, but having much-o  
>>> el-torque-o in the first place is essential. If you think about it, all 
>>> that's keeping that head on top of that head is pressure by literally 
>>> squeezing it together. So it needs to be a very good squeeze !  For the 
>>> price of one you may as well get a set as you'll find yourself using more 
>>> than one anyways.
>>>
>>> Another item I read is using what's called "valve grinding compound" 
>>> from an auto parts store applied in between the clamp "sandwich" to create 
>>> some friction in the head as I bet it's smooth. Those are the worst. I 
>>> suppose carbon past would do also but auto parts stores are everywhere. 
>>> Permatex is a common brand, called 80037 Valve Grinding Compound.
>>>
>>> While all this may seem foreign to you Leah it's not rocket science and 
>>> shouldn't be taken as such !  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Bondhus-17099-Balldriver-L-wrenches-BriteGuard/dp/B000E80G7A
>>>  
>>>
>>> [image: bondhus wrenches.jpg]
>>> [image: permatx-valve-grinding.jpg]
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[JAS]

Great review, Leah!  I had the same problem with my Platy, but solved it a 
different way.  I SO wanted a tan saddle to match the tan tire sidewalls 
and grips so I bought a Selle Anatomica...the “new” style with the lighter 
cast aluminum rails.  All my other bikes have SA black saddles with steel 
rails so I figured I deserved something new and different.  You 
know...matchy, matchy.  Yes, the tan saddle is beautiful on the Platy, but 
will now be up for sale.  Why?  I couldn’t get it back far enough to fit my 
leg length.  Apparently I have long femurs and without the set-back, my 
feet were in the wrong place.  I could have changed my foot placement on 
pedals but that felt weird (arch on spindle vs ball of foot).

I really didn’t want to get the IRD seat post due to aesthetics; I like the 
elegance of the Nitto S83 so I called RBW to see what other options there 
might be and happened to get Grant on the phone.  He helped me determine 
that Selle Anatomica changed the rail design!  They’re shorter on the cast 
aluminum.  Flipping them over to compare the two saddles had never occurred 
to me.  The long steel rails give me the perfect fit on both the Platy and 
Clem.  I tried ordering another tan SA saddle with steel rails, but didn’t 
like it so I just stuck my spare black one on the bike and I’m working on 
being satisfied with black.  (And I say to myself, “Suck it up, buttercup; 
it’s not the worst problem in the universe.”)

#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 1:13:28 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

> Nice review. I too have agonized over seatposts. I like Brooks saddles 
> enough to be afraid to invest $150+ in something with longer rails (Selle 
> Anatomica for example: intrigued, but frugal).
> Getting behind the seat matters to me in ways lengthening the stem doesn’t 
> address. I have a bad knee/leg, and it has to extend just so or it flares 
> up for weeks. Getting my seat back helps that leg.
> I accomplished this with a Thompson layback post, on one bike, but I like 
> the flexibility of the straight post on this since it’ll fit a taller frame 
> with lower post. 
> I do wish there were more options in way back/layback/setback posts too. 
> Keep us updated on how you like this one. 
>
> On Nov 20, 2021, at 13:03, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> 
> <4F9D0A57-31F2-46D8-9FC5-2B4CD19A8377.jpeg>
> <01A4B13F-B79C-4AD6-87AA-865A60510C77.jpeg>
>
> <762CEC45-A776-48F4-A909-E57865E26BBC.jpeg>
> I adore my two Rivendells. My raspberry Platypus is perfect, my absolute 
> favorite, and my good-natured Clem is a close 2nd. 
>
> But over time, I noticed little things that I wished were different. 
> Usually, I ponder a long time before actually making any changes, because 
> the smallest adjustment can make a bike feel foreign. I have a long and 
> documented history of driving to bike shops completely nauseated, and 
> crying in their parking lots over ridiculous things like getting new tires 
> or brake cables or a new Nitto rack. When I would retrieve the bike after 
> service, a typical first ride would be: “Now it’s terrible! Nothing like 
> the good thing I had. I hate these new tires. What was I thinking having 
> this rack installed?! I knew it, I should have left the bald tires on the 
> bike and kept it original!” 
>
> Give me enough time and annoyance, and even I will make a change. I had 
> not been getting along with my stock seat post (the nose of the saddle 
> would tip up) and my Brooks (it was rubbing me the wrong way - ha). I got a 
> Rivet Sonora in white (it is fabulous) and a Nitto S83 post, which didn’t 
> offer enough setback. I wanted to scoot back, but was at the end of the 
> Rivet. I was holding my bars forward of the grips to compensate. I wanted 
> to be more stretched out; I felt cramped. My stem is the Nitto x-tall 280mm 
> stem in a 9 cm reach. They offer a 10 cm, but nothing longer, and the 10 
> wouldn’t make enough difference. I’m not giving up my 280 mm height, so if 
> not a new stem…maybe a new seat post. 
>
> Rivendell sells an IRD Wayback seat post. I’m sure I’m committing some 
> ergonomic sin by adjusting seat post and not stem, but it WORKED. I sit 
> exactly perfect now, and there’s even a measurement on the side so that 
> what I like now has a number I can assign to it.
>
> The cons. It’s not an elegant seat post, but it’s dead practical. The 
> Nitto wins for looks, but I’m more practical than pretty, so I’m only 
> bothered by this a *little*. The Wayback has one bolt, so I’m not sure if 
> my Rivet nose will tip up over time. Weight. The Wayback feels heavy in 
> hand, and noticeably so compared to the Nitto.
>
> Here is where I will credit Laing for 2 things: both stem and seat post. 
> He mentioned both on this List and they were the perfect recommendations 
> for me. I’d never have found either, so thank goodness you posted, Laing!
> Leah
>
> PS This hand-wringing does not apply to bags and baskets. I change those 
> like underwear. 

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[JAS]

Congratulations Sofiya and welcome!  You've got a spectacular bike; what a 
beauty.   Lucky you!  Be sure to write again and give us a ride report and 
show us the places you go with your new Platy.  

Joyce

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 10:08:11 AM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello, new here, but I'm now the proud owner of the 50 cm lime olive 
> Platypus that was just listed on web special! I had been preparing to try 
> my luck at the Clem complete restock, but happened to be looking at my 
> email when the newsletter came through last night, and I went for it. This 
> is my first Riv, after being a long time admirer. I'm so silly excited I 
> can hardly stand it!
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2021-09-24 at 8.00.16 PM.png]
>
> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 1:58:27 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Ha! I’d be honored, but I think it unlikely. But “Belle Bars” have a nice 
>> ring to them… I wouldn’t object! 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 10:20 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>>
>> I think from the last Riv post that there is a handlebar soon to be 
>> known more as a Platy or Leah bar. I mean really, Billie who?
>>
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 7:01:31 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> It’s the Bike For All Reasons. The Bike of All Time.
>>>
>>> . It’s a gravel Platy. An errand Platy. A nighttime getaway Platy.
>>>
>>> What kind of Platypus to you have?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2021, at 7:06 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah wrote: "Oh my word. You’re right..."
>>>
>>>
>>> A modified (from someone's FB repost) list of the the three hardest 
>>> things to say:
>>>
>>>
>>>1. I was wrong.
>>>2. I need help.
>>>3. Yes, that does make you look fat. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 9:35:20 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oh my word. You’re right - I completely missed this. A secret Platypus!

 The only Platys I know of that deviated from the production run colors 
 were the samples, all of which we have seen. An orange, a silver and a 
 bronzey green.  I don’t know what this root beer one is all about but I’m 
 going to try and find out.
 L 

 Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 29, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 

 I noticed this bronze-cola Platypus in this week's Blahg. What is the 
 deal?

 
 I 



 On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 10:20:06 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Rode the Platy late this afternoon, temperatures were hitting the 
> triple digits, the wind out of the South felt like you'd opened the oven 
> door to check on the pie and I was soaked through with sweat. At one 
> point 
> I looked down & saw that curly heart cut in the head tube lug and it made 
> me smile for the rest of the ride.
>
> That's all there is to this story but I wanted to share anyway.
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:21:30 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Emily, this is so cool 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 10:40:11 AM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>>
>>> My Platypus has earned my cat’s approval-she sleeps under it all the 
>>> time!
>>>
>>> -Emily
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 6:28 AM, Leah Peterson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m interested in Cheviot vs Platy ride differences, too! So glad 
>>> you got your Platys, Sam and Roberta. Keep those photos coming.
>>>
>>>
>>> I love this thread; I hope it continues with Platypodes in 
>>> perpetuity. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 9:43 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>>
>>> Welcome back, Sam.  I'm sure it'll be great.  I'm very curious how 
>>> you feel about the ride Platy vs Chev.  The Platy in my 55cm size has a 
>>> 2 
>>> inch longer wheelbase!  I have to be careful moving mine around my 
>>> living 
>>> room, but I think it makes up for that with the ride.  I had considered 
>>> a 
>>> Chev in the past.
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 10:47:09 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:
>>>
 Howdy folks. After a three year Rivendell hiatus, the last bike was 
 a Cheviot, I managed to find one 60cm Platypus up north at C Cyclery 
 in 
 Quebec. It arrived today and is being frame saved and tanned out back. 
 Can't wait to build it up! The green matches great with my mustard 
 Crust 
 Romancuer! I love that Riv finally did a Mixte with Canti studs.  -Sam

 [image: tempImage4J342J.bmp]


 On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:20:08 PM UTC-5 joseph...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Tom, 
> I think its a great use of space.  I do a 48oz bottle in the same 

[RBW] Re: WTB Silver shifter mounts

[JAS]

Ray, I recently went through the same problem with my Platypus.  After some 
research, I bought a set of thumbshifter mounts from Velo Orange which will 
work with the silver shifters.  Meanwhile, the silver mounts came available 
and I was lucky to get them!  They went on the bike instead.  I'd be happy 
to sell you the Velo Orange mounts if you decide to go that route.  One of 
them was mounted then removed before the bike was ridden, the other never 
got out of the box. 

--Joyce

On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 5:37:41 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> Hi All,
> Does anyone have a pair of the new Rivendell thumbshifter mounts they are 
> willing to part with?
> Rivendell is currently sold out 
> I wouldn’t be opposed to buying them with the shifters as well but I have 
> shifters. 
>
> Thank you,
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[JAS]

What a beautiful bike that is captured so well during the "golden hour."

On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 6:06:31 PM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:

> Hunqapillar by the lake
>
> [image: 20210919_072925.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 10:28:30 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just love how that Clem turned out with the Xtracycle kit, what a cool 
>> way to make use of that frameset.
>>
>> Platypus is looking good too!
>>
>> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 4:27:07 PM UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> Today was the nicest day of the year in the great garden state.
>>>
>>> [image: bikes1.jpg]
>>> Bones
>>> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 12:03:41 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>>
 Indeed, Beatifully set up bike, Paul. Always enjoy your builds and 
 photography. 

 - Max “how was your ride?.. more than bokeh” in A2

 On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 11:32:13 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Hello Paul,
>
> Gorgeous bike and photos to boot. Thank you for the component details 
> as well. 
>
> Your description of the CX-70 front derailer touching the chainstay is 
> particularly timely. I'm doing a build now where the derailer/chainstay 
> kiss each other - or within a whisker or two of that so I've wondered, 
> how 
> close is too close? Like you, I have the option of a perfectly functional 
> but less attractive shorter cage der but would prefer using the vintage 
> (silver of course) longer cage model. From the pictures it would appear 
> the 
> CX-70-chainstay marriage is working out well so I have hopes for my combo.
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
>
> Best,
> Rich n ATL
>
> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 10:00:58 AM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> Forgot to mention the cassette spec is 10spd 11-30t, so 11/40 high 
>> and 30/24 low. High enough for me, plenty low for a mostly unloaded sled.
>>
>> 22.3lbs as is, with several spec subs that would get it into the 
>> 21lb+ range. Could go more modern and down in the 20s, but I like the 
>> older 
>> school look.
>>
>> And yeah, better to say "...clearance for 30mm tires..." since 32s 
>> are getting dicey.
>>
>> I had issues posting the photos, gotta click to view 'em, will see if 
>> cutting the [img] tags fixes that...
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 6:06:25 PM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>>> Old School time, a day late for Throwback Thursday, if that's still 
>>> a thing.
>>>
>>> '98 Riv Custom, built by Joe Starck, back in the day when 
>>> designing/building a short-reach caliper frame with rock-bottom brake 
>>> shoes 
>>> ("Look out, Courageous, it's Rock Bottom!!!") and clearance for 32mm 
>>> 700c 
>>> tires was a big f'in deal...
>>>
>> [snip] 
>>
>>>
>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51218631413_cc5a80d181_k.jpg 
>>> 
>>>
>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51217707602_31d1bfcc06_k.jpg 
>>> 
>>>
>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50365316941_c7a4475dda_k.jpg 
>>> 
>>>
>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50440286627_b8fb4c3792_k.jpg 
>>> 
>>>
>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50440286327_bd34374447_k.jpg 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[JAS]

Yes, it's a beautiful area and shrouded in rain clouds now so I was lucky 
to hit such nice fall weather.   

Roberta, good eye!  Actually, it's a seat pack I loaded with my spare tube, 
tools, etc and hung it upside down, strapped to the frame with a Voile 
strap I found at the dog park.  It's a great spot for the gear.  
Interesting to hear about your Platy on the dirt MUP...what size tires are 
you running?

--Joyce

On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 5:19:05 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote:

> Beautiful. I passed through there years ago when I helped a buddy relocate 
> from South Dakota to Olympia. We took a day to ride around the whole 
> peninsula (in an old station wagon, not on bike... oh well). I'd love to 
> visit that place again. The whole peninsula is amazing.
>
> [image: WA.jpg]
> Bones
> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 1:33:05 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the write up and pictures. It looks lovely and I’m so happy 
>> you had such a grand time. I see your third water bottle surprise behind 
>> the seat tube with a Voile strap. 
>>
>> I took my Platy on a packed dirt MUP ride this weekend and also was 
>> delighted with the ride. Like you, I pushed my saddle, a B68, way back.  
>>
>> Roberta
>> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 11:30:59 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Olympic Discovery Trail (ODT) on Platy!   I suppose this entry could 
>>> have been posted in the "ride pic sharing" category, but since it's all 
>>> about my Platypus ride, here you go.  I took the plunge and put my pretty, 
>>> clean, shiny Platypus onto the rear rack of my van where it could encounter 
>>> rain and road dust (horrors).  It was a tough choice between taking it or 
>>> the Clem because of the dirt factor, but I'm so glad I had the Platy 
>>> because she was perfectly suited for the ride.  It's "just" a bike after 
>>> all and should be ridden and transported out in the elements!  Yes, it got 
>>> a little dirty and yes, I'm handling it just fine, thank you, no medication 
>>> necessary.
>>>
>>> The ODT is a mostly-paved rail-to-trail on the Olympic Peninsula that 
>>> will eventually stretch from Port Townsend, WA to the Pacific Ocean.  I've 
>>> ridden various portions of it, but the goal on this trip was to ride the 
>>> new part on the west end of Lake Crescent called the Spruce Railroad trail; 
>>> it only recently opened.  I also rode the waterfront portion from the 
>>> Morris Creek Trestle to the west end of Port Angeles which goes along the 
>>> Strait of Juan de Fuca.  What a surprise to ride by a company called 
>>> Platypus Marine! [image: IMG_0148.jpg]
>>>
>>> The rides were nothing epic, just 12-13 miles on beautiful fall days 
>>> with stunning scenery and mid-60s sunshine, but the Platypus felt just 
>>> right...comfortable and secure, fast enough, and easy to handle even on the 
>>> gravely parts.  Because of its weight, it's really easy to get onto the 
>>> rack.  With a strong headlight, the long, dark tunnel was easy to 
>>> navigate.  I'm very happy with the performance and cushioning of the 
>>> Shikoro tires.  The only thing missing from this bike is a rear rack since 
>>> I'll need a single pannier or a trunk bag for my gear when the weather gets 
>>> colder.  For now, the banana bag works.  I'm waiting for a new saddle as 
>>> well.  The new-style Selle Anatomica looked great, but the cast-aluminum 
>>> rails were too short to get the seat back far enough.  Oops.  I ordered 
>>> another SA in brown with the long steel rails and threw a spare black one 
>>> on for this trip.  Overall, I'm really happy to have this bike!
>>>
>>> I highly recommend the ODT for the beauty of the area and being able to 
>>> ride without encountering vehicle traffic.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Wheels for Clem; need advice

[JAS]

Thank you all for sharing your thoughtful comments, advice and 
experiences.  From keeping Clem just the way she is and being happy with 
the ride to changing out wheels and hubs and/or tires for something better, 
there's lots to consider.  I appreciate the wisdom of this group and 
respect your varied opinions.  If anyone has more to add, please feel 
welcome to do so!

Joyce

On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 12:12:30 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Here's the link at Rivbike for my wheels, I should have included it in my 
> original post. Says out of stock but it's always good with Rich (@rivbike . 
> com) to email him and see what he has available to build and what he thinks 
> will match your needs/wants. The rear hub has a titanium cassette body! I 
> love that part. 
>
> He can also do a set with a dyno front hub if you want. I didn't need it 
> and preferred the lesser weight, but a lot of folks swear by them and 
> they're very useful. 
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/velocity-atlas-white-industries-mi5-webspecial-wheelset-bto
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 10:24:46 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>
>> After reading Leah's comments about upgrading her Clem with lighter 
>> wheels and other parts,  I'd like to do the same for my dark green Clem.  I 
>> use it for rural road riding when I'm not on my Platy, gravel trails, and 
>> hauling groceries.  It's got a rear rack and will have SKS fenders when I 
>> get around to installing them. I will also replace the original Bosco with 
>> the aluminum version.  
>>
>> I changed the tires from those horrible original Kendas to Big Bens and 
>> removed the front rack and basket which did wonders for handling.  Since I 
>> got it from Craigslist a few years ago I don't know much about the original 
>> wheels.  They have multi-colored spoke nipples and no identifying labels. 
>> The original owner bought it from a bike shop in Madison, WI.
>>
>> Any advice is welcome on what wheels to get or other upgrades I could 
>> make.  I don't want to go tubeless. Clem is 52cm with 650b wheels.   Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] New Wheels for Clem; need advice

[JAS]

After reading Leah's comments about upgrading her Clem with lighter wheels 
and other parts,  I'd like to do the same for my dark green Clem.  I use it 
for rural road riding when I'm not on my Platy, gravel trails, and hauling 
groceries.  It's got a rear rack and will have SKS fenders when I get 
around to installing them. I will also replace the original Bosco with the 
aluminum version.  

I changed the tires from those horrible original Kendas to Big Bens and 
removed the front rack and basket which did wonders for handling.  Since I 
got it from Craigslist a few years ago I don't know much about the original 
wheels.  They have multi-colored spoke nipples and no identifying labels. 
The original owner bought it from a bike shop in Madison, WI.

Any advice is welcome on what wheels to get or other upgrades I could 
make.  I don't want to go tubeless. Clem is 52cm with 650b wheels.   Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[JAS]

Atlantis, $2500
56cm, 650b
Seattle CL
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-atlantis/7370625583.html
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 6:07:14 PM UTC-7 Calvin Yolo wrote:

> 52cm Clem L in Grey starting bid at $1,050:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185015283184?hash=item2b13c52df0:g:dtEAAOSwATdhJWTD
>
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 5:00:46 PM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Haha...sorry!
>>
>> I've communicated with the owner a few times and was pretty close to 
>> bidding this last weekend...it's so close to exactly how I'd set it up, 
>> too. Just not the right time for me, so I hope you do end up snagging it. 
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 6:29:21 PM UTC-5 mathie...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You're a bad influence, Ben 
>>>
>>> I spoke with the owner and confirmed that it should fit... 
>>>
>>>
>>> MATHIEU BROWN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 6:22 PM Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>>>
>>>> 64cm Waterford Same on eBay - Opening bid of $1600 but entertaining 
>>>> offers...
>>>
>>> eBay Link 
>>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/144168369951?_trkparms=aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200708143445%26meid%3De44857d35f41428181c1dd0a067cb69a%26pid%3D101251%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26itm%3D144168369951%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26algv%3DPersonalizedTopicsV2WithMLR&_trksid=p2380057.c101251.m47269&_trkparms=pageci%3Ae39ebcf8-0531-11ec-b282-526de4261e05%7Cparentrq%3A7a77322817b0ab9e454af102fff88fd4%7Ciid%3A1>
>>>>
>>>> Seller is very nice and communicative. Someone please grab this bike so 
>>>> I can stop being tempted. :) 
>>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 12:21:09 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>>>
>>> Bleriot
>>>>> 60cm
>>>>> $1800
>>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>>>
>>>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-bleriot/7367234453.html
>>>>>  
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 8:49:29 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS 
>>>>>> 62cm 
>>>>>> $1000 
>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://baltimore.craigslist.org/bik/d/havre-de-grace-62cm-rivendell-sam/7369198396.html
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rambouillet 2003 
>>>>>> 62cm 
>>>>>> $2500 
>>>>>> Louisville, KY 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://louisville.craigslist.org/bik/d/crestwood-rivendell-rambouilet/7366982691.html
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Waterford-built 1997 
>>>>>> 64cm 
>>>>>> $1500 
>>>>>> Chicago, IL 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/bik/d/highland-park-rivendell-fixed-gear-64cm/7368987771.html
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Appaloosa 
>>>>>> 57cm 
>>>>>> $2500 
>>>>>> Portland, OR 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/clackamas-rivendell-appaloosa/7370166878.html
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A. Homer Hilsen (no paint, just clearcoat!) 
>>>>>> 59cm 
>>>>>> $2300 
>>>>>> Oakland, CA 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7369538498.html
>>>>>
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