Re: [RBW] Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[James Cooper]

I second Philip’s point. I am glad that Russ is putting attention to 
“alternative” forms of cycling. His video on the Sam prompted me to start 
looking for a Riv in the first place. I definitely dont think he is living 
large off of YT.

James

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 9:06 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
> 
> Path Less Pedalled is one of the good guys and I think Russ works alone out 
> of his (unheated) garage in Montana which may account for some of the editing 
> trickery? Personally I find it great that there is so much great stuff to 
> watch out there for absolutely no cost, most of these creators are making 
> maybe a few bucks a month doing this. If I don't agree with a channel I just 
> click through.
> 
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 9:59:14 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
> Laing wrote: I get a big kick out of all the people with commentary on a 
> video that they did not watch.
> The PLP post is titled Rivendell vs. Crust. Which is Better?  There are no 
> models in the title, and that is what brings it to the realm of clickbait. 
> The OP also states right up front that the video is less provocative.  
> Generally, Rivendell vs. Crust, some of the qualities that separate them are 
> disc brakes, more conventional chainstay lengths, and yes, low trail. Based 
> on the thrust of the thread starter, I would say perfectly legitimate to 
> comment without bothering to watch the actual video referenced. Obviously a 
> Sam Hillborne does not qualify as low trail. It may be lower trail than bike 
> x, but not low trail. I did find it mildly amusing that he was noting the 
> differences between 42.5 and 45.5 chainstays. He should try a Susie!
> 
> From an aesthetic point of view, I find his videos hard to watch due to the 
> editing/splicing. I wish he would let the camera roll through a bit 
> more--maybe he could have a cheat board of notes if he can't talk 
> extemporaneously. As it is, the video is noticeably spliced after every 
> sentence or two.  Maybe this is normal these days with vlogs, and it's just 
> me being old. Oh well.
> 
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:26:38 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
> I get a big kick out of all the people with commentary on a video that they 
> did not watch. As Tom pointed out, the Sam Hillborne is the "low trail" bike 
> in this comparison - you need to watch the video to know what is in it. Note 
> that I have one Crust (Scapegoat) and 12 Rivendells.
> 
> One word on guitarists: Hendrix.
> 
> Laing
> 
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:09:04 AM UTC-5 Tom M wrote:
> FWIW, the particular Crust Russ is reviewing isn't low trail — he said it's 
> 76 or 75 mm. I don't have a particular dog in the fight, and I enjoyed the 
> video and don't consider it click-bait. As Russ said, he gets asked this type 
> of question all the time, so why not do a video?
> 
> And re: guitarists—thanks to Philip for the Rory Gallagher link. I'd never 
> heard of him but will now check him out.
> 
> Tom Milani
> Alexandria, VA USA
> 
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 2:18:44 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
> Which - to be clear - is my response to the premise of the thread which is 
> the premise of the Path Less Pedaled thing. I'm not objecting to the thread 
> being a thread. 
> 
> Joe "let me say this about that" Bernard
> 
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:02:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
> I don't think a Riv vs. anything low trail really counts as a comparison, 
> it's two very different approaches to what is considered the "right" way for 
> a bicycle to handle. But my bias is extreme, I bought a Crust Lightning Bolt 
> (disc) and hoo boy did I learn the expensive way that I do not like low 
> trail. Rivs ride the way I need my bikes to ride. 
> 
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
> " 
> 
> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it could 
> be? 
> 
> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I know 
> that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do it more 
> or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & Bene 
> purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell aesthetic in 
> mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the Bombora to the 
> All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be saying, the 
> Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes had. 
> 
> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's not 
> hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the two?
> 
> I think both bike companies are really doing some 

Re: [RBW] Re: Personal Experiences Request.

[James Cooper]

Id go with those cliff hangers based on the tire width you want to run. The 
A23 might work but it will look odd to have such a wide tire on a narrower 
rim. 

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 4:42:45 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Hey Andy,
>
> Great minds think alike.
>
> I need to learn more about this Suzue Classica cassette rear. New to me. 
> I'll ask you the same question I've asked others. Do you think the Pacenti 
> Brevet rims would handle a 55mm tire well?
>
> Hugh
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 5:25 AM ascpgh  wrote:
>
>> I like shiny silver as well. My 650B rando bike has a SON front hub and a 
>> Suzue Classica cassette rear with Pacenti Brevet rims and 650B x 42 BSPs.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 8:32:18 PM UTC-5 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>>> So as not to offend any long-term members on this list I did first do a 
>>> search and did not find an answer to my question? I believe back in 2018 
>>> William Henderson in PDX after an accident had a wheel set built with the 
>>> same hubs I'm considering, if he could chime in that would be excellent.
>>>
>>> On with the question,
>>>
>>> Does anybody have experience with the Velo Orange Grand Cru 135mm QR 
>>> Shimano hub? Specifically, has it held up over time? How does it feel? Does 
>>> it spin freely? How does it sound? Meaning is it silent or does it have a 
>>> loud ratcheting noise? What were your initial impressions of the build 
>>> quality and then later impressions.
>>>
>>> It's my aesthetic, I just see my new to me Atlantis built with silver 
>>> shiny hubs otherwise I'd build my new wheels with a DT Swiss 350 rear hub 
>>> and be done. I'm considering a White Industries hub but that's close to 
>>> $200 more over the VO hub. Just debating whether the extra $$ is worth it? 
>>>
>>> I'm going with the Velocity Cliffhangers, wish they came in silver :( 
>>> Planning on running schwabe g ones in 2.25" evolutions for cush and speed. 
>>> If you have a recommendation on rims that will allow for tubeless, decent 
>>> tire profile in silver please lmk. FYI not going with the HED Belgian rims 
>>> at $165 nope! 
>>>
>>> I'm also looking for the Riv stem shifters currently out of stock on the 
>>> Riv Hq site. If anyone has a pair that they're willing to part with let me 
>>> know? 
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Hugh in Sunny SoCal Los Angeles to be exact. 
>>>
>>> Since I'm honorable and might as well ask another question. I plan on 
>>> running aluminum albatross bars any recommendations for grips. My 
>>> preference is a easily removed grip like the Ergon which I have. Is there 
>>> an esi like grip that's removes simply?
>>>
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