[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Jason Glenn]

Hi, Bud, 

I'm sure this has been posted at some point in the past, but I stumbled 
upon this the other day and thought it might be of interest both to you and 
others on this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKA

Otherwise, for what it's worth, I think the suggestions above are great.  
Based on your intended use, I would agree with those who suggest the 
Hilborne.  Don't have one, but had the good fortune to ride one for several 
weeks -- thanks, again, Max! -- and loved it.  If I had to downsize from my 
Homer and my Atlantis to a single bike that would suit the purposes they 
serve for me — long road rides, commutes, on and off road, etc. -- it would 
be my choice.

Best,
jason

On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 4:32:53 AM UTC+2 Erik wrote:

> Evening, 
>
> Based on the parameters and details you provided, I think that a Hillborne 
> or Appaloosa would work well.  Or an Atlantis instead of the Appaloosa.  I 
> have all three, all set up very differently, but each has gone through a 
> lot of iterations.  The key for me would be what type of trails you are 
> wanting to ride, your size, and trail riding style.  The Hillborne is a 
> great bike, fun on the road and pretty nimble on the trail.  The Hillborne 
> has a smaller tire width max and lighter tubes.  The Appaloosa or the 
> Atlantis are longer and have stouter tubes.  They also take up to a 2.2 
> tire.  I've run both as primarily trail bikes and they handled pretty much 
> anything I wanted to ride except for the most extreme trails in my local 
> parks.  They work really well as trail bikes.  I've run them with 1x 11 (50 
> large cog) set ups, 3 x 9  with 11-34 cassettes, and now as 2x.  I live in 
> northern California and do a lot of climbing.  The gearing has always been 
> fantastic.  My Appaloosa was my primary commuting bike for about five 
> years.
>
> Here's my Instagram if you want to get a look at some of the set ups that 
> I've used over the years.  It's mostly bikes: 
> https://www.instagram.com/lith.o.carp.us/
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> Erik
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7 Bud Suttree wrote:
>
>
>
> With all that said, of the current offerings, what would y’all recommend? 
>
>
> Thank you
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Hi y’all - new Sam in town

[Jason Glenn]

Hi, all,

First of all, congratulations, Daniel.  Your bike looks fantastic!

My guess is that you picked up the Sam at La Chouette?  I stopped by there 
(with my Homer that I brought from home) when I arrived in Paris three 
months ago.  Great shop, and they had just received their first Riv frames 
(some new Homers, including one of the gold ones).   Everyone there was 
super nice.  And they carry great bags, racks, etc.

Daniel, let me know if you ever want to hook up for a Riv ride around 
Paris...

jason




On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 5:57:57 PM UTC+2 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Daniele:
>
> What’s your favorite bike shop(s) in Paris? I’ve been to the Alex Singer 
> shop in Levallois several times, but in the past I have found it difficult 
> to find a good bike shop in Paris proper.
>
> As you may know, many Americans will be in Paris in August for the 
> Paris-Brest-Paris event (me included, but to support the riders this time, 
> not to ride), so knowing where the good shops are would be helpful.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Apr 10, 2023, at 10:49 AM, Daniele  wrote:
>
> Hi y’all 
>
> Greetings from Paris, France! 
> First time joining a google group but have been following you for a while! 
> Just got my hands on my first ever Riv. An amazing Silver Sam! What a 
> bike!! It definitely lives up to the up to the expectations/hype. 
> Quick question for does of you that have switched from. Alt bars to drops: 
> how would you say the handling changes? I know… just got the bike but can’t 
> stop thinking about the next change/ new component to add 
> Happy spring and happy riding! 
> Daniel
>
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[RBW] Re: Which Dyno Hub?

[Jason Glenn]

Thanks, all.  This was super helpful and informative.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 2:46:12 PM UTC-7 samwe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I got a wheel built by Peter White last year, and we discussed my use 
> cases, which sound similar to yours, on the phone. He said the only reason 
> to get a SON was if I was commuting rain or shine in a cold, wet 
> environment, and otherwise the Shimano or Panasonic (who not-so-long-ago 
> bought out a production facility that had previously been branded Sanyo, I 
> believe) will cut the mustard. I had a 6-bolt disc that I wanted to use, so 
> I went with the Panasonic instead of Shimano, and it's been everything I 
> hoped for. Only a few hundred miles on it so far, but it sounds consistent 
> with what others have said, and I'm happy with the >$100 I saved.
>
> -Sam
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 2:59:47 AM UTC-4 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi, all,
>>
>> I've never had a bike with a dyno hub but rode one a few months back -- 
>> thanks, Max! -- and have decided to build up a wheel -- my first wheel 
>> build, too -- with one for an Atlantis.  I know the Son 28 is the go to, 
>> and I could be convinced to use one, but I'm working on a limited budget 
>> and am wondering what people think about the alternatives out there.  My 
>> main use for the Atlantis, at least at the moment, will be commuting, 
>> running erands, etc., but I'm trying to bike as my principle form of 
>> transportation (in Los Angeles) and will be riding in the evenings and 
>> early mornings with some regularity.  Down the road, I would like to do 
>> some touring on it.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm interested in any and all suggestions/perspectives.  
>>
>> Thanks, in advance,
>> jason
>>
>> P.s. While I'm at it, happy to hear about favorite rims and spokes for 
>> the build...
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Which Dyno Hub?

[Jason Glenn]

Thanks, everyone, for your informative responses.  As Eric said, lots to 
think about.

Intrigued by the Velogical dynamo for my homer, since I have a wheelset for 
it already.  Since I need to build wheels for the Atlantis, I have a sense 
that the dyno hub might make more sense, although I gather that there's a 
case to be made that there's still a case to be made for the Velogical in 
that case too -- just spent a few minutes on their website, and it looks 
like an interesting product.  Again, lots to consider.



On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 8:19:02 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Jason:
>
> You’ll hear many opinions—good luck sifting through the advice you will 
> get!
>
> I have both SON and Shutter Precision hubs and have not had any issues 
> with either. My SONs have ranged from the old-style type with flanges 
> pressed onto a center piece to the modern (and very pretty) type. I have 
> several variations of the SP hubs on various bikes.
>
> If money is no object, definitely go with SON, if only because they’re so 
> darn pretty. SP will perform just as well—I have not experienced the 
> “roughness” that one other respondent reported.
>
> Based on what I’ve read about SON and their weather sealing, the biggest 
> advantage that I know of is that they are pressure compensated; SP hubs are 
> not. That means that if you go from a warm, dry environment directly into a 
> cold and dry one, the SON hubs won’t draw in moisture as the air inside the 
> hub cools. SP hubs might, but for this to be a problem, you would have to 
> roll right out into a cold downpour. That’s an edge case for me and 
> something that has never been a problem.
>
> Finally … Have you considered the Velogical dynamo? I have one on an Alex 
> Singer, and it’s great. Pros: Cheaper than a dyno hub and wheel, very low 
> draw, ZERO drag in the “off” position, great German engineering, works with 
> any wheel. Cons: Sits outside on the frame, where it might be subject to 
> damage (not a problem for me in several years of use), makes a quiet 
> whirring noise when running, requires a small clamp to attach to the frame.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:59 PM, Jason Glenn  wrote:
>
> Hi, all,
>
> I've never had a bike with a dyno hub but rode one a few months back -- 
> thanks, Max! -- and have decided to build up a wheel -- my first wheel 
> build, too -- with one for an Atlantis.  I know the Son 28 is the go to, 
> and I could be convinced to use one, but I'm working on a limited budget 
> and am wondering what people think about the alternatives out there.  My 
> main use for the Atlantis, at least at the moment, will be commuting, 
> running erands, etc., but I'm trying to bike as my principle form of 
> transportation (in Los Angeles) and will be riding in the evenings and 
> early mornings with some regularity.  Down the road, I would like to do 
> some touring on it.
>
> Anyway, I'm interested in any and all suggestions/perspectives.  
>
> Thanks, in advance,
> jason
>
> P.s. While I'm at it, happy to hear about favorite rims and spokes for the 
> build...
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[RBW] Which Dyno Hub?

[Jason Glenn]

Hi, all,

I've never had a bike with a dyno hub but rode one a few months back -- 
thanks, Max! -- and have decided to build up a wheel -- my first wheel 
build, too -- with one for an Atlantis.  I know the Son 28 is the go to, 
and I could be convinced to use one, but I'm working on a limited budget 
and am wondering what people think about the alternatives out there.  My 
main use for the Atlantis, at least at the moment, will be commuting, 
running erands, etc., but I'm trying to bike as my principle form of 
transportation (in Los Angeles) and will be riding in the evenings and 
early mornings with some regularity.  Down the road, I would like to do 
some touring on it.

Anyway, I'm interested in any and all suggestions/perspectives.  

Thanks, in advance,
jason

P.s. While I'm at it, happy to hear about favorite rims and spokes for the 
build...

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[RBW] Re: Older Geometry and Sizing Charts?

[Jason Glenn]

Thanks, everyone.  
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:33:57 AM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> Ah ha! I knew you would have this... Are you able to provide geo charts 
> for the iterations of Clem L? I am looking at getting a 2016 and wonder how 
> that compares to the 2022 I passed on. Thank you!
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 10:39:32 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Jason,
>>
>> Here's a not-very-good screenshot of a geometry page I found. It shows 
>> the original geometry and the final Waterford run which had 650B in some 
>> sizes. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-7 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Joe, very helpful and interesting.  I'm now curious how much the 
>>> 2007-2012 or so models changed geometry and sizing.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 6:25:19 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Go here, scroll down to grabs of the original Atlantis catalog and 
 Reader articles. Hosted by the moderator of this group. 

 http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html





 On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-7 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi, all, anyone have links (or pdfs) for older Riv sizing.  I'm 
> particularly curious to know more about how the older Atlantis sizing 
> worked around 2010.  
>
> Thanks,
> jason
>


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[RBW] Re: Older Geometry and Sizing Charts?

[Jason Glenn]

Thanks, Joe, very helpful and interesting.  I'm now curious how much the 
2007-2012 or so models changed geometry and sizing.

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 6:25:19 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Go here, scroll down to grabs of the original Atlantis catalog and Reader 
> articles. Hosted by the moderator of this group. 
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-7 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi, all, anyone have links (or pdfs) for older Riv sizing.  I'm 
>> particularly curious to know more about how the older Atlantis sizing 
>> worked around 2010.  
>>
>> Thanks,
>> jason
>>
>

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[RBW] Older Geometry and Sizing Charts?

[Jason Glenn]

Hi, all, anyone have links (or pdfs) for older Riv sizing.  I'm 
particularly curious to know more about how the older Atlantis sizing 
worked around 2010.  

Thanks,
jason

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58 Double TT Sam Hillborne complete black & cream

[Jason Glenn]

I can vouch for Max, here.  This bike is just wonderful.  He leant it to me 
for two weeks while I was visiting family in Boston, and it is an absolute 
joy to ride.  If it weren't slightly small for me and if I weren't trying 
to stick to a single bike (my Homer!),  I'd be all over it.  And I don't 
think you can beat the black and cream!

Best,
jason from Los Angeles

Ps. -My first time riding the with Albatross bars and, after adjusting to 
them, I really enjoyed them.

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 5:05:18 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm hoping this bike can find a new home and someone who can truly enjoy 
> it now that Spring is here (at least here in the Northeast where it feels 
> like Summer). I believe the black and cream color scheme is the most 
> beautiful ever and these 2-TT Sam rides like a dream (load it up or keep it 
> simple and nimble). 
>
> Since I didn't get much interest on the first post, I'm listing it with a 
> basic build and lower price. Also, I'm now open to shipping CONUS:
>
> *Complete Bike $1,950* plus shipping and packing by LBS (PayPal friends 
> and family)
> Typical Riv build, triple front with Claris FD, RD is a Shimano Altus. 
> Atlas rims with velocity hubs (front wheel is new, I'm taking it from the 
> new Gallop I just received). Cockpit is a heat treated Albatross bar with 
> Dutch grips on a Nitto stem. Seatpost and pedals are included in the sale.
>
> Please note the following items on the original photo are *not included*: 
> front and rear racks, basket, bottle cages, Schmidt SON28 generator, 
> Edeluxe light
>
> I'll post updated photos this weekend.
>
> Max in Boston
>
> *If someone is interested in a local pickup, you can save the cost of 
> shipping and save me a headache (I hate shipping bikes around)
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:45:23 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> If anyone is looking for a 58 Double TT Sam frameset in black and cream, 
>> I'm now open to selling the frame and parts (minus dyno, rack and light) 
>> separately - FS post coming up soon. 
>> Max in Boston
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 11:40:40 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Bump. lower price $2,300 local sale or I can drop off if you coordinate 
>>> packing and shipping. 
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 12:49:48 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 I bought this one last year - saw it and couldn't resist... I think it 
 reminded of my beloved 62 Sam which I sold a couple of years ago.

 Anyway, I only got a few miles in and it rides great, well it rides 
 like a Sam! I don't know if it's because of weather or because I have more 
 bikes than I need it's not getting ridden enough so I'm posting it for 
 sale 
 here to see if someone is looking for one.

 The bike is in great condition, but it has been used. As you can see 
 it's a bit dirty around the hubs and chainrings, but shifts are smooth as 
 butter. The break levers could use a tune up or an upgrade and new brake 
 pads would be good too. Note the closeup where there is some paint wear 
 from rubbing of the housing (there’s clear tape on it that’s peeling). 
 Also, the previous owner put tape on the top tube (hard to see with the 
 light but I think I got it) he said it was to protect the ping from more 
 rubbing. I took it off and I think the gunk will come off but it needs to 
 be cleaned. Also, the basket shows some rust, not sure if he had recycled 
 it from a previous build.,

 Nice bits include the Schmidt SON28 generator, the Edeluxe light and 
 the almost new Ultradynamico 42 cava tires.

 Typical Riv build, triple front with Claris FD, RD is a Shimano Altus. 
 Atlas rims (rear is a velocity hub). Heat treated Albatross bars with 
 Dutch 
 grips.

 Listing it for *$2,500 local sale *in Boston or I can drop it off at 
 your bike shop of choice for packing and shipping but you coordinate all 
 that (I don't want the responsibility). Please note the saddle is not 
 included (pedals, racks and bottle cages are)

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of getting A Homer- does it feel quick?

[Jason Glenn]

Graham,

I believe you said elsewhere that you're looking for one of the older 
Homers.  I got a 2011 Homer about 6 months ago.  My first Riv.  It's 
fantastic.  I put 38 mm Soma Shikoro tires on it -- may try 44s when they 
wear out -- and use it for my commute (with a rear rack and panniers) in 
Los Angeles.  Take it longer (30-40 mile) rides several times a week.  Have 
done spend a few full days in the saddle with long climbs and descents.  I 
literally couldn't be happier or imagine anything I'd want to do that I 
can't.  

I've had a few short spins on a friend's Hunq, double TT Sam, older 
Atlantis, and a zippy custom.  All really wonderful.  Find myself 
fantasizing about getting another Riv (Joe App or Atlantis) to complement 
the homer, maybe with fatter tires, front basket, swept back bars, etc., 
but every time I do so, I ask myself why, as it would mean that I would 
have less time on my Homer that is so comfortable and smooth.  It's such a 
joy to ride and a true all-rounder, just as a quick as my old Raleigh 
Reynolds 753 road bike, when I want it to be, but far more versatile and 
handles better, for sure.  

Good luck with our search, but if you can find one at a reasonable price, I 
can't imagine you'd be disappointed.  Mine is all that I'd hoped it would 
be and more.

jason

On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 4:28:47 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> I know you're also considering other Rivs.  
>
> I LOVE my Homer.  I live in the city, where there are poorly paved 
> streets--trolley tracks and potholes.  For 3 or 4 years, I rode my Joe A. 
> and was wonderfully happy.  Got a Homer to ride at a second location.  Talk 
> about sprightly, lively, wonderful  When they both lived at my house 
> because of Covid, I switched between bikes every ride and when I decided to 
> get a Platy one of the originals had to leave.  It took a long time to 
> decide, but I let Joe A go because I'm almost strictly a pavement rider of 
> about 20 miles +/- each ride.  No single tracks or dirt tracks at all, no 
> long touring trips, or I would have kept the Joe A.  They are both 
> wonderful bikes and shine in their respective sweet spot.
>
> I really like my Platy, but for light and sprightly riding, the Homer is 
> it for me!  Platy has a smooth and wonderful ride and it's a step thru!  
> It's my daily commuting bike through the city and trades off weekend rides 
> with Homer.
>
> The good news is they are all wonderful riding bikes (testing an Atlantis 
> is what got me hooked, BTW).
>
> Roberta
>
> On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 11:20:08 AM UTC-4 Graham McCall wrote:
>
>> I'm coming from a really short and qucik handling bike- Surly Pack Rat. 
>> I'm curious in starting over and getting a Home for longer rides that would 
>> benefit from some less-nervous handling. 
>>
>> 58cm is what I'm after, any ride review or insights would be great!
>>
>> Thanks, 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: question and WTB for two new country builds

[Jason Glenn]

Fantastic!  Glad to hear it all worked out...

Looking forward to pics, although they would surely just further fan the 
flames of my desire for an App of my own.


On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 7:47:49 PM UTC-8 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> Jason - rack received and installed. bonus was the struts were a perfect 
> length for my wife's mark rack to go straight to the fork ends. I used hers 
> to go to my mid seat stay braze ons. win win win. happy new year. thank you 
> again 
>
> Best,
>
> Michael Baquerizo 
>
> www.mbaquerizo.com 
>
> 646-206-2913 <(646)%20206-2913> 
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 10:31 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Michael, 
>
>
> I suspect there's an official answer from Riv and what some folks are 
> willing to file on to make that kickstand work. As Grant once said to me 
> about some project or another I asked about, "...after that you're on your 
> own, Joe."
>
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:18:30 PM UTC-8 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> updates : 
>>
>> spoke to vince at RIV about the kickstand and he hardly let me finish my 
>> sentence before saying it just wasn't going to happen. 
>>
>> but then i came across this - which suggests otherwise. he kinda left me 
>> thinking it's not worth a try and now i'm just stuck in purgatory.
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluelug/51441668141/in/photolist-2mnHZJM-2jdMVQX-2kH7s6w-2iZ2U5k-2jwLudZ-2kRmEj1-2m2qLeM-2kRmEhh-2dAstdc-2mkaTEH-2mk7cTn-2mk5QX9-2js8raj-2jsct4f-2brxWaD-2kw6o32-2mkaTzc-X8khsx-2m6k5gV-2js8ri5-2kQC16y-2jYTvzc-2jwMC47-2kMtPBF-2kQzArE-2m7yXBS-2mac9n9-2maeQEv-2m7vdEh-2k3huX5-2jsctcg-2m7yXAe-2m7rq4U-2jsctfn-GzCPNA-2m6C3Mn-2k49hox-2kXJVx6-2m7vdDR-2iuCBEd-2kQC16Z-2geTZS6-2k5qh7n-2k5msdK-2k5msnN-2k5mshN-2m3A8Vh-2m3DLu2-2kYNS92-2jdMVPz
>>
>> happened upon a riv reader article that suggests 1/8" set screws are the 
>> correct size for grip king extra grippage.
>>
>> got the rear rack sorted out. thanks for all the help here, all.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 8:20:19 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Another option is to file off the threads of the bolt where they come in 
>>> contact with the kickstand plate if you only need a little extra clearance. 
>>> The threads themselves don't add much strength to the bolt and if you file 
>>> off too much and the bolt breaks someday, bolts are cheap and the frame has 
>>> not been altered..
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 10:00:01 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 thanks for the recommendations and suggestions - managed to get a 
 matching rear thumbie for the bike, and went ahead and ordered a set of 
 paul levers because they'll likely be the last set of levers we'll ever 
 need. been really digging old shimano mtb stuff lately but didn't want to 
 hold out waiting for something in good condition. 

 i think i might get an r14 rack eventually, i like the ones without the 
 tombstone. erlen is out of the question, as is the bagman support as i 
 think those are better for barrel shaped bags than for the riv offerings. 
 heck, even a marks rack would do, but i already put one of those on my 
 wife's bike. probably shouldn't steal it from her just yet.

 the pec deck is an idea i've considered, but no, the slim sucker does 
 not have any webbing  on the bottom which is a bummer, but it's small so 
 probably would have been overkill. 

 im gonna call riv tomrrow to ask about the kickstand. so far the rat 
 tail filing out the hole to the left seems to make the most sense, and i 
 get with enough torque there wouldn't be any reason for the kickstand to 
 move back and forth along the elongated hole. we'll see if they cosign 
 this 
 idea or have a better one. i'm sure they've dealt w it before.

 thanks everyone - better pics to come hopefully this weekend.



 On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 2:45:01 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> > does anyone have any rack-less recs for sackville saddle bag thats 
> an inch too low and touching the rear wheel?
>
> I have small frames and low saddles. I've used both the Swift 
> Industries Catalyst (reinforced X-pac) and the Jacks Supply Co Little 
> Slugger (Cordura or X-pac) successfully. Both have a plastic insert which 
> maintains the body shape when empty. Not very big but can be overstuffed 
> and has loops on the lid to tie on stuff. Both also work well as 
> handlebar 
> bags with longer Voile straps and foam spacers.
>
> > i was hoping to avoid racks on this back entirely just because my 
> city bike has front and rear racks, and generally all the fixings.
>
> Would you mind a saddle bag rack? The Carradice Bagman Sport works 
> well with larger saddle bags, like the Swift Industries Zeitgest, and 
> it's 
> not as big a commitment as a dedicated rear rack. Someone mentioned the 
> Ocean 

[RBW] Re: An Appaloosa build video

[Jason Glenn]

Love the video.  After your and Eric's videos, I am now convinced I need an 
App...

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 11:07:55 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great vid Brendon! Can you tell me about those spacers on the Manything 
> cage? I noticed you're wearing your Riv cap and shirt in the vid ;) 
>
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 1:31:00 PM UTC-5 Olivier Chételat wrote:
>
>> Fantastic video, beautiful Appaloosa and tasteful build. Thank you!
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 10:24:25 AM UTC-8 Thomas Blak wrote:
>>
>>> There is something calming when you watch a build video like that. 
>>> Thanks for sharing. 
>>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:19:49 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Nice! It's fun watching someone who clearly knows what they're doing 
 build a bike. You make it look so easy! Love the blue accents with the 
 orange frame...even down to the blue lacing on the saddle and the blue 
 ferrules. You sure have an excellent eye for detail!

 On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 4:33:52 AM UTC-6 Marty Gierke, 
 Stewartstown PA wrote:

> That was fun to watch - thanks for taking the time to make it. Gotta 
> love the cup & cone BB! You put grease in all kinds of places I've never 
> thought to put grease. A little woodworking thrown in is right up my 
> alley. 
> The build turned out great. Would love to have seen it ride off into the 
> sunset at the end, but maybe that's the next chapter. Keep 'em coming. 
>
> Marty
>
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 4:39:55 AM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> A first time try at a filming/editing project by my partner and I. 
>> Footage is from April 2021. For the bike savvy there are a lot of 
>> non-sequiturs here.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2huyxqj0_I
>>
>> Thanks for your time and I hope you enjoy!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2011 A. Homer Hilsen 61cm Custom Color

[Jason Glenn]

If I hadn't just bought a 2011 Homer two and a half months ago, I would be 
all over this.  And as much as I absolutely LOVE my Homer, I find myself 
tempted here.  It's really a beauty!!!

Good luck with the sale, I'm sure someone will snap it up.
Jason

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:41:31 PM UTC-8 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Price Drop to $2900 and I can ship. I finally found a box big enough.
>
> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 9:14:03 PM UTC-5 Brian Campbell wrote:
>
>> Selling this 2011 A. Homer Hilsen complete, minus saddle and pedals. I 
>> would like to sell this complete and am not yet interested in breaking it 
>> down into a parts sale yet. I m the only owner.
>>
>> Made for Rivendell by Waterford cycles using a mix of True Temper Ox 
>> Platimnum, Kaisei and Reynolds 725 tubing
>>
>> Also, I am not looking to ship this myself but will deliver to the shop 
>> of your choice in the greater Philadelphia area. I will also drive an hour 
>> or so to deliver and local pick-up is fine as well.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Pk56pssWXUgiLBPQ9
>>
>> 61cm A. Homer Hilsen
>> "Grilver" color with matching painted Honjo (50mm) Fenders
>> Made by Waterford Cycles
>> 61cm Seat tube c-t
>> 59cm top tube c-c
>> 135mm rear spacing
>> Schmidt Wide Body Dyno-hub front wheel (Peter White Built)
>> Mavic Open Pro rims
>> Rene Herse 35mm Bon Jon Pass EL tires
>> Ultegra Rear Hub (8/9/10 speed) 
>> 10 Speed XT Cassette 11-34
>> Shimano CX70 Front Derailleur
>> Shimano Triple crank (170mm)
>> TA 46/36/28 Chainrings
>> Shimano XT Rear Derailleur
>> Nitto 80mm Deluxe Technomic Stem
>> 46cm Nitto Noodle handle bars (26.0)
>> Braze-on Paul Racer Brakes
>> Schmidt Edelux II headlight
>> Velo Lumino Tailight
>> MAP Headlight Fender mount
>> Internal wiring in front fork
>> Internal wiring in downtube for taillight
>> Tubus Fly rear rack
>> Chris King 1" Threaded headset
>> Newish Kool-Stop brake pads
>> Shimano 10 speed indexed bar end shifters
>> Nitto NJS Jaguar(?) post 27.2
>> Extra set of Original Decals and some touch up paint in the correct color.
>>
>> Asking $3,000 with payment via Venmo or paypal with the buyer responsible 
>> for any fees.
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brian Campbell
>> Berwyn, Pa
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Friday ride at the Fells Reservation

[Jason Glenn]

What a fantastic ride!  Thanks, Max, for letting me test ride the wonderful 
bikes in your fleet and making time for the ride this morning.  Looking 
forward to doing it again next time I'm in town (or if you make it to LA)...

On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 3:06:42 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Just a quick pic of a wonderful morning ride that Jason (list member who 
> recently got a Homer in CA - he's in town for a bit) and I did this morning 
> at the Fells Reservation here in Massachusetts.
> [image: IMG_5706.jpeg]
> Jason, thanks again for helping me with the cockpit swap for the Atlantis!
>
> Max who failed (for now) at downsizing but will get there one day
>

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Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[Jason Glenn]

Christ, 

I love the black and cream frame choice.  FWIW, I think David's Sam looks 
fantastic with the silver cranks -- are they Rene Herse? -- and the black 
rims.  

Jason in L.A.  

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 5:26:36 PM UTC-5 chris@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Eric, for kicking off this thread and to everyone who responded! I 
> put down a deposit for a Roadeo over the summer and have decided to go with 
> black and cream for the frame. These images are really helping me visualize 
> my options when it comes to the build. 
>
> Pretty certain I’m going with Shimano components/brifters, but that 
> Shimano crank… not so hot to my eye. Hoping that if I go with it in black, 
> it may disappear a bit against the black of the frame. Thinking silver for 
> most everything else, except the brifters and maybe a pair of black compass 
> tires. 
>
> In any case, fun to think about. Thanks for the inspirations! 
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 3:09:35 PM UTC-5 Jeremy Till wrote:
>
>> My Clem H with black bars/stem/seatpost/rims/chainrings:
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/2mELwX1
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 11:33:58 AM UTC-8 Patch T wrote:
>>
> I second both these sentiments. Very nice indeed.
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 1:53:21 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> Nice Roadini, Bones.  I'm becoming very partial to black rims with 
 machined (silver) sidewalls.

 On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 10:08:35 AM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

>>> Not a Rivendell but here’s my Kelly Roshambo (now with black pedals). 
> The bike itself is kind of a coffee bean color. 
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2021, at 09:49, Patch T  wrote:
>
> Maybe Bill Lindsay will show his Amethyst Smoke Legolas with black 
> components. I love that bike and the build he chose for it. (I love most 
> of 
> Bill's bikes and the builds he chooses for them.)
>
>
> Patch, in NYC, who somehow feels inappropriate linking to someone 
> else's Flickr, so won't
>  
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Reverse order.
>> [image: DSCF0130 copy.jpeg]
>>
>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 9:40:29 AM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> [image: DSCF0133 copy.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> One of each.  Hillborne with mostly silver components (though I 
>>> really like the black Dyad Rims with silver braking surface) and Surly 
>>> Disc 
>>> Trucker with a mix of black/silver components.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Opinions re Roadeo colors

[Jason Glenn]

I don't have a Roadeo -- would love to one day! -- and I love the green 
suggested above, but I'm a huge fan of the black / cream that Eric Marth 
used for his repaint of the Sam Hilborne in the beautiful video he posted 
six-weeks back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmJRDn5R8I.



On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 3:34:17 PM UTC-5 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:

> My Legolas was painted the same color green as the now defunct Rivendell 
> Redwood. I would post a pic but can't seem to get one to show up using and 
> iphone...
>
> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 1:52:47 PM UTC-5 Paul G wrote:
>
>> ^^^ Thumbs up for orange/cream. Remember the creamsicle Rambouillets?
>>
>> [image: 2599416524_f7b2e34a50_o (1).jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 10:42:12 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> As has been pointed out here before, it is a proven fact that orange 
>>> bikes are faster and Molteni orange are the fastest of the orange bikes.
>>> [image: frame.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0595su.jpg]
>>>
>>> I am also partial to yellow.
>>>
>>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 12:25:18 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
>>>
 Hi, I recently obtained a used Roadeo. It needs a new paint job. Does 
 anyone have opinions on the ideal colors for a Roadeo? Photos are 
 encouraged, of course.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: 11 speed cassette for pre-2017 Homer?

[Jason Glenn]

Joe, 

Thanks, that's helpful!  I was under the impression that I could mount an 
11 speed MTB cassette but that somehow or other there would be a problem 
shifting because the spacing between the individual cogs would be different 
from a Road cassette since the road one is wider overall.  

But if the only real difference is the overall width and the spacing 
between cogs is the same, great!  So, it probably makes more sense to 
switch out the cassette than the freehub -- and I've confirmed that the 
derailleur will accommodate 11-34.

So, it sounds like the cassette suggested by Nick would work -- the site 
says it's a road cassette, but the description says 10 and 11 speed hubs:  

https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/ultegra-r8000/CS-HG800-11.html

I suppose it's also possible to use SRAM 11 speed MTB cassettes, too?  
They'd be the same specs as the Shimano ones?

Anyway, I guess I should ask if anyone's in the market for a nearly new 
Shimano 105 CS-R7000 11-Speed Cassette 11-32?

Thanks, again, everyone,
Jason
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 4:57:02 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Indexing would not be off. As long as you have the index shifter matched 
> to its derailer you're good, the Shimano 11 cassettes have the same spacing 
> no matter the cog numbers. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 3:53:06 PM UTC-8 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you, all.  Very helpful.  I think I'm getting close to 
>> understanding what's up and what's possible.  A few pieces of clarification:
>>
>> 1. Joe, you're right.  I have an 11-32 cassette already and want it to 
>> work with my 105 (11 speed) derailleur and bar-end shifters that I would 
>> migrate from another bike.
>>
>> 2. Laing, thanks for the heads up about the MTB 11 speed cassettes.  I 
>> gather they will fit but aren't compatible with the 105 derailleurs -- 
>> indexing would be off, which is one reason i prefer friction (and didn't 
>> realize when i got the shifters that they couldn't do both like the nine 
>> speeds!)
>>
>> 3. Nick, I wish I had the 11-34 so I could use it on the 9/10 speed 
>> freehub.  DT SWISS tells me that it's a quick replacement to change the 
>> freehub body (i.e., only the part onto which the cassette is placed) and 
>> wouldn't require the wheel to be re-dished.  I asked explicitly.  Their 
>> technician said the issue is that some frames aren't designed to accept an 
>> 11 speed road cassette and that's the issue.  I guess that because the 
>> cassette would be an additional 1.85 mm closer to the dropouts there could 
>> be clearance issues.  That's what I'm trying to find out.
>>
>> I'd like to think it's a non issue, but I'm not sure how to tell.  Going 
>> to go take a closer look now -- out of town this past weekend.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> j. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 12:58:25 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 7:51:00 am UTC+11 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 He already has a cassette, I believe it's road range to work with his 
 105 derailer. 

 What I don't understand is DT Swiss saying the new freehub will fit his 
 current hub 8/9/10 hub.

>>>
>>> Not without also changing to a shorter endcap on the NDS end of the axle 
>>> and re-dishing the wheel.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 11 speed cassette for pre-2017 Homer?

[Jason Glenn]

Thank you, all.  Very helpful.  I think I'm getting close to understanding 
what's up and what's possible.  A few pieces of clarification:

1. Joe, you're right.  I have an 11-32 cassette already and want it to work 
with my 105 (11 speed) derailleur and bar-end shifters that I would migrate 
from another bike.

2. Laing, thanks for the heads up about the MTB 11 speed cassettes.  I 
gather they will fit but aren't compatible with the 105 derailleurs -- 
indexing would be off, which is one reason i prefer friction (and didn't 
realize when i got the shifters that they couldn't do both like the nine 
speeds!)

3. Nick, I wish I had the 11-34 so I could use it on the 9/10 speed 
freehub.  DT SWISS tells me that it's a quick replacement to change the 
freehub body (i.e., only the part onto which the cassette is placed) and 
wouldn't require the wheel to be re-dished.  I asked explicitly.  Their 
technician said the issue is that some frames aren't designed to accept an 
11 speed road cassette and that's the issue.  I guess that because the 
cassette would be an additional 1.85 mm closer to the dropouts there could 
be clearance issues.  That's what I'm trying to find out.

I'd like to think it's a non issue, but I'm not sure how to tell.  Going to 
go take a closer look now -- out of town this past weekend.

Thanks,
j. 

On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 12:58:25 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 7:51:00 am UTC+11 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> He already has a cassette, I believe it's road range to work with his 105 
>> derailer. 
>>
>> What I don't understand is DT Swiss saying the new freehub will fit his 
>> current hub 8/9/10 hub.
>>
>
> Not without also changing to a shorter endcap on the NDS end of the axle 
> and re-dishing the wheel.
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: 11 speed cassette for pre-2017 Homer?

[Jason Glenn]

Thanks!

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 3:24:20 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> This is a good resource to keep btw about compatibility .   
> https://bike.bikegremlin.com/category/technical-part/compatibility/
>
> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 6:18:16 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> Do you really want to use 11-speed stuff Jason, or are you letting the 
>> 105 stuff you have dictate what you ride ? Your frame is 135mm spacing so 
>> an 11sp capable cassette body will work. But I'm getting the impression 
>> you're letting the derailleurs you have yank your chain, so to speak. With 
>> the 8-10sp stuff you have a lot more flexibility, and you won't have to 
>> replace the 350 freehub body, assuming it is the 8-10sp version. 
>> Derailleurs are easy to sell and buy. The obvious thing to me is simply get 
>> a replacement FD for the one that "broke" and be on your merry way. How 
>> does a FD break, by the way ? 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:18:19 PM UTC-4 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have a technical question and can't find an answer, so I'm hoping that 
>>> some with experience may be able to help.
>>>
>>> I'll put the details below, in case anyone wants them, but my question 
>>> is this:  *Does anyone run an 11 speed cassette with a pre-2017 Homer?*  
>>> My Homer is 2011.
>>>
>>> Details:
>>> The front derailleur on my new-to-me 2011 Homer broke the other day.  
>>> For a number of reasons, I am considering putting the nearly Shimano 105 
>>> front and rear derailleurs on the bike, which would require an 11 speed 
>>> cassette, which I also have.  The 11 speed drivetrain doesn't work on my 
>>> 1980s bike that I foolishly bought them for.  
>>>
>>> To put the cassette on the hub, I need to replace the free hub body on 
>>> the rear hub (DT Swiss 350).  Apparently it's easy to do, but the people at 
>>> DT Swiss don't know if the frame is compatible with an 11 speed cassette 
>>> and say the only way to know is by trying.  
>>>
>>> I'd prefer not to buy the part only to discover that it doesn't fit -- 
>>> that's how I wound up with the 105 parts in the first place.  Hoping that 
>>> someone here might have the set up.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> jason
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: 11 speed cassette for pre-2017 Homer?

[Jason Glenn]

No idea how the front derailleur broke.  The clamp on the Campy that came 
with the bike broke.  Must have happened while the bike was in the back of 
my car (station wagon) after a ride.  Certainly wasn't rough with it.  Went 
to ride it the next day and found that it had fallen on to the chain.  
Never seen anything like it.  Obviously, very disappointed.

Otherwise, I'm definitely letting the derailleurs I have determine what I 
do, here.  Trying to find the most economical path forward.  Replace 
freehub body and use (virtually new) 11-speed 105 cassette, rd, fd, and 
bar-end shifters that I bought for my other bike but don't work with it -- 
and then use the 9-speed stuff from the Homer on my 1980s Raleigh?  That 
would cost the upgrade to the longer freehub for the 350.  OR replace the 
fd for the Homer, which I'm happy to do.  But then have to sell all the 105 
stuff and figure out what to do for the drive drain of my 1980s Raleigh.  
I've never sold used bike parts, so I have no sense for how much I'd "lose" 
by doing so.  

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 3:18:16 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Do you really want to use 11-speed stuff Jason, or are you letting the 105 
> stuff you have dictate what you ride ? Your frame is 135mm spacing so an 
> 11sp capable cassette body will work. But I'm getting the impression you're 
> letting the derailleurs you have yank your chain, so to speak. With the 
> 8-10sp stuff you have a lot more flexibility, and you won't have to replace 
> the 350 freehub body, assuming it is the 8-10sp version. Derailleurs are 
> easy to sell and buy. The obvious thing to me is simply get a replacement 
> FD for the one that "broke" and be on your merry way. How does a FD break, 
> by the way ? 
>
>
> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:18:19 PM UTC-4 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have a technical question and can't find an answer, so I'm hoping that 
>> some with experience may be able to help.
>>
>> I'll put the details below, in case anyone wants them, but my question is 
>> this:  *Does anyone run an 11 speed cassette with a pre-2017 Homer?*  My 
>> Homer is 2011.
>>
>> Details:
>> The front derailleur on my new-to-me 2011 Homer broke the other day.  For 
>> a number of reasons, I am considering putting the nearly Shimano 105 front 
>> and rear derailleurs on the bike, which would require an 11 speed cassette, 
>> which I also have.  The 11 speed drivetrain doesn't work on my 1980s bike 
>> that I foolishly bought them for.  
>>
>> To put the cassette on the hub, I need to replace the free hub body on 
>> the rear hub (DT Swiss 350).  Apparently it's easy to do, but the people at 
>> DT Swiss don't know if the frame is compatible with an 11 speed cassette 
>> and say the only way to know is by trying.  
>>
>> I'd prefer not to buy the part only to discover that it doesn't fit -- 
>> that's how I wound up with the 105 parts in the first place.  Hoping that 
>> someone here might have the set up.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> jason
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 11 speed cassette for pre-2017 Homer?

[Jason Glenn]

Thanks, Joe.  I'm currently using the hub with the Homer, so it wouldn't 
need a new axle.  My understanding -- and I could most certainly be wrong 
-- is that the longer freehub would simply replace the existing one and 
that the wheel would still  fit the frame but that the (slightly?) wider 
cassette might not have the clearance from the frame (and chainstay?) to 
function.  Hoping that a photo to DT Swiss may help.

jason

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 3:15:53 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Is that hub currently 130 spacing and they're going to widen and redish 
> with a longer freehub and axle? Your Homer has 135 spacing so I don't see a 
> problem here, an 11-speed cassette/hub/wheel should fit fine. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-7 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have a technical question and can't find an answer, so I'm hoping that 
>> some with experience may be able to help.
>>
>> I'll put the details below, in case anyone wants them, but my question is 
>> this:  *Does anyone run an 11 speed cassette with a pre-2017 Homer?*  My 
>> Homer is 2011.
>>
>> Details:
>> The front derailleur on my new-to-me 2011 Homer broke the other day.  For 
>> a number of reasons, I am considering putting the nearly Shimano 105 front 
>> and rear derailleurs on the bike, which would require an 11 speed cassette, 
>> which I also have.  The 11 speed drivetrain doesn't work on my 1980s bike 
>> that I foolishly bought them for.  
>>
>> To put the cassette on the hub, I need to replace the free hub body on 
>> the rear hub (DT Swiss 350).  Apparently it's easy to do, but the people at 
>> DT Swiss don't know if the frame is compatible with an 11 speed cassette 
>> and say the only way to know is by trying.  
>>
>> I'd prefer not to buy the part only to discover that it doesn't fit -- 
>> that's how I wound up with the 105 parts in the first place.  Hoping that 
>> someone here might have the set up.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> jason
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] 11 speed cassette for pre-2017 Homer?

[Jason Glenn]

I have a technical question and can't find an answer, so I'm hoping that 
some with experience may be able to help.

I'll put the details below, in case anyone wants them, but my question is 
this:  *Does anyone run an 11 speed cassette with a pre-2017 Homer?*  My 
Homer is 2011.

Details:
The front derailleur on my new-to-me 2011 Homer broke the other day.  For a 
number of reasons, I am considering putting the nearly Shimano 105 front 
and rear derailleurs on the bike, which would require an 11 speed cassette, 
which I also have.  The 11 speed drivetrain doesn't work on my 1980s bike 
that I foolishly bought them for.  

To put the cassette on the hub, I need to replace the free hub body on the 
rear hub (DT Swiss 350).  Apparently it's easy to do, but the people at DT 
Swiss don't know if the frame is compatible with an 11 speed cassette and 
say the only way to know is by trying.  

I'd prefer not to buy the part only to discover that it doesn't fit -- 
that's how I wound up with the 105 parts in the first place.  Hoping that 
someone here might have the set up.

Thanks,
jason


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[RBW] Re: FS: AHH 61cm blue

[Jason Glenn]

Thank, Ed!  Been dreaming of getting my first Riv for 15 years.  The bike 
is a beauty, exactly what I was looking for.  Can't wait to take it for my 
first ride tomorrow!

Jason
(Los Angeles)

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 7:23:12 PM UTC-7 Ed S wrote:

> This is sold. Thank you to the buyer and the interested members! 
>
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 9:06:05 AM UTC-7 Ed S wrote:
>
>>  A Homer Hilsen. Pristine condition. Bought in late 2011 but has been 
>> ridden for only 1,302 miles (I have 3 bikes, a heavy workload and two new 
>> grandkids since then). Built by Mark Abele and wheels custom built by Rich 
>> Lesnik (DT Swiss 350 hubs 32H with DT Swiss TK540 rims 700c).  Saddle is 
>> Selle Anatomica NSH2 (less than 100 miles). Shimano Bar end shifter for 
>> rear derailer, but same shifter mounted in the downtube for front 
>> derailer (will include shifter mount for left handlebar).  Pedals are VP 
>> (gray). Sugino compact double crankset 170 48x34 gears, 9 speed cassette 
>> 11-32. Extras include Nitto R14 rear rack, two bottle cages and Cateye 
>> Padrone computer. Will send more photos and specs if you are interested.
>> Reason for sale: downsizing from 3 to 1 bike.
>>
>> 2,450 boxed and shipped. Please give me a week or two to box it because 
>> many bike shops are very busy. Thank you! 
>>
>

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