Re: [RBW] Just restored '95 Riv Road

[Peter Guyton]

Patrick, 
The pedals are Speedplay Zero, now part of the Wahoo product line. I've 
liked the float of speedplays for my knees for years. The non-drive side 
has a power meter build into the pedal so that part sticks out a bit. 

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:54:44 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lovely bike. My first Waterford-built custom was delivered in 1995 and I 
> recall the fragility -- ready to flake -- of the paint, so perhaps the new 
> Waterford paint is more durable? At any rate, it looks beautiful. And I 
> like the personalized, eclectic collection of parts. My 1999 has the same 
> lugs.
>
> What are those pedals?
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 8:36 AM Peter Guyton  wrote:
>
>> This may be my first post here,  though it's likely I posted way back 
>> when  (I probably should check that!) 
>>
>> ... So I just had my 1995 Rivendell Road restored at Waterford Precision 
>> Cycles late last Fall.  I actually ordered the frame in 1995, it was brazed 
>> at the Waterford factory in late '95 and delivered to me in January of 
>> 1996.  So I consider a 1995. It was originally Sherwood Forest Green.  
>>
>> Here it is now:
>>
>> [image: Rivendell Studio 1-28-230034- Format10 export.jpg]
>>
>> By luck or happenstance, I actually worked directly with Richard Schwinn 
>> on the project and I gravitated toward the color "*English Light Blue 
>> metalic"  *when I saw a sample *.  *At first I wasn't sure the re-paint 
>> would happen as a few surface rust spots could have been worse than 
>> suspected, but all the potential problems turned out to be superficial.
>>
>> I rode this bike over the last 27+ years in a variety of configurations:  
>> as a near-racer, later a fendered commuter, at some points I added indexed 
>> Suntour Superbe derailleurs and later an old Simplex rear friction 
>> derailleur. It had Modolo brakes for years as well as some 1989 single 
>> Pivot Dura-Ace calipers. Eventually it received hand-me-down older racing 
>> bike parts, Shimano and Campy,  from my racing bikes and it is now pretty 
>> much a traditional British style race bike in the tradition of the 
>> Bridgestone RB-1, except with 11-speed drive train.  
>>
>> This current build is mostly Campy with an Athena rear derailleur (I 
>> wanted a lot of chrome), Record square taper BB and crank (maybe my 
>> favorite crank of all time),  rebuilt Record hubs, Chorus calipers and 
>> record front derailleur..  The seatpost is a cool Salsa that can be tilted 
>> with out loosening the clamp. Stem is a wonderful old Nitto Pearl. Rims are 
>> Hed Belgium with 28c Rene Hearse tires. The seat is a no-name something or 
>> other I found on Amazon and bought for the color, turns out to be a great 
>> seat for me.
>>
>> So I  just finished the build last week and felt this was a good place to 
>> share. I have a particular affinity for the Richard Sachs designed lugs.
>>
>> [image: _PSG0709- FM sRGB 2400px 1.jpg] 
>>
>> Here is a cloud folder of frame-only photos and a few after built.
>> https://ln5.sync.com/dl/daf4b7440/vjrbrwbt-ipme6hme-k74hpdjr-9ky5ayyr
>>
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[RBW] Re: Just restored '95 Riv Road

[Peter Guyton]

Well I live outside Portland Maine and the weather definitely has not been 
perfect !  though I did actually see some people riding outdoors today 
(it hit a balmy 45 today after being -17 last Friday).  Riding here is 
great from April thru September though, and the summers don't get so hot.  

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:04:11 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> What a good story of bicycle and bicyclist!  Thank you for including a 
> great set of photos; as everyone has said, the restoration is beautiful, 
> offering testimony too to Waterford as a do-it-all shop.  
>
> One of the many things I appreciate about bicycles is the long lives of 
> multiple use and pleasure they have--and in this case, with one owner only!
>
> Tom
> In Miami, where the riding weather is perfect . . . for now
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:42:37 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Peter, beautiful job, great color.  I hope you enjoy the bike for many 
>> more years.  
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:36:36 AM UTC-5 peter@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This may be my first post here,  though it's likely I posted way back 
>>> when  (I probably should check that!) 
>>>
>>> ... So I just had my 1995 Rivendell Road restored at Waterford Precision 
>>> Cycles late last Fall.  I actually ordered the frame in 1995, it was brazed 
>>> at the Waterford factory in late '95 and delivered to me in January of 
>>> 1996.  So I consider a 1995. It was originally Sherwood Forest Green.  
>>>
>>> Here it is now:
>>>
>>> [image: Rivendell Studio 1-28-230034- Format10 export.jpg]
>>>
>>> By luck or happenstance, I actually worked directly with Richard Schwinn 
>>> on the project and I gravitated toward the color "*English Light Blue 
>>> metalic"  *when I saw a sample *.  *At first I wasn't sure the re-paint 
>>> would happen as a few surface rust spots could have been worse than 
>>> suspected, but all the potential problems turned out to be superficial.
>>>
>>> I rode this bike over the last 27+ years in a variety of 
>>> configurations:  as a near-racer, later a fendered commuter, at some points 
>>> I added indexed Suntour Superbe derailleurs and later an old Simplex rear 
>>> friction derailleur. It had Modolo brakes for years as well as some 1989 
>>> single Pivot Dura-Ace calipers. Eventually it received hand-me-down older 
>>> racing bike parts, Shimano and Campy,  from my racing bikes and it is now 
>>> pretty much a traditional British style race bike in the tradition of the 
>>> Bridgestone RB-1, except with 11-speed drive train.  
>>>
>>> This current build is mostly Campy with an Athena rear derailleur (I 
>>> wanted a lot of chrome), Record square taper BB and crank (maybe my 
>>> favorite crank of all time),  rebuilt Record hubs, Chorus calipers and 
>>> record front derailleur..  The seatpost is a cool Salsa that can be tilted 
>>> with out loosening the clamp. Stem is a wonderful old Nitto Pearl. Rims are 
>>> Hed Belgium with 28c Rene Hearse tires. The seat is a no-name something or 
>>> other I found on Amazon and bought for the color, turns out to be a great 
>>> seat for me.
>>>
>>> So I  just finished the build last week and felt this was a good place 
>>> to share. I have a particular affinity for the Richard Sachs designed lugs.
>>>
>>> [image: _PSG0709- FM sRGB 2400px 1.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Here is a cloud folder of frame-only photos and a few after built.
>>> https://ln5.sync.com/dl/daf4b7440/vjrbrwbt-ipme6hme-k74hpdjr-9ky5ayyr
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Just restored '95 Riv Road

[Peter Guyton]

Jock,
As additional info: Richard Sachs designed the curvey lugs for the first 
RIv Roads. I didn't know that in 1995 but saw it in one of the original 
catalogs.  Yeah, there is definitely a difference when you turned the 
wrench yourself.  Been a while but it was fun.  I didn't wrap the bars so 
great but may try to do it again (can't tell in the photos hopefully).

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:50:16 AM UTC-5 Jock Dewey wrote:

> Peter, that is a timelessly beautiful bicycle. Bravo for spending the $$ 
> and taking the time to preserve it. IMHO, there is nothing so satisfying as 
> riding a bicycle you have owned and maintained for years and years. Richard 
> is one of our greatest treasures as he keeps on keeping on. Cycling royalty 
> right there!
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:36:36 AM UTC-8 peter@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This may be my first post here,  though it's likely I posted way back 
>> when  (I probably should check that!) 
>>
>> ... So I just had my 1995 Rivendell Road restored at Waterford Precision 
>> Cycles late last Fall.  I actually ordered the frame in 1995, it was brazed 
>> at the Waterford factory in late '95 and delivered to me in January of 
>> 1996.  So I consider a 1995. It was originally Sherwood Forest Green.  
>>
>> Here it is now:
>>
>> [image: Rivendell Studio 1-28-230034- Format10 export.jpg]
>>
>> By luck or happenstance, I actually worked directly with Richard Schwinn 
>> on the project and I gravitated toward the color "*English Light Blue 
>> metalic"  *when I saw a sample *.  *At first I wasn't sure the re-paint 
>> would happen as a few surface rust spots could have been worse than 
>> suspected, but all the potential problems turned out to be superficial.
>>
>> I rode this bike over the last 27+ years in a variety of configurations:  
>> as a near-racer, later a fendered commuter, at some points I added indexed 
>> Suntour Superbe derailleurs and later an old Simplex rear friction 
>> derailleur. It had Modolo brakes for years as well as some 1989 single 
>> Pivot Dura-Ace calipers. Eventually it received hand-me-down older racing 
>> bike parts, Shimano and Campy,  from my racing bikes and it is now pretty 
>> much a traditional British style race bike in the tradition of the 
>> Bridgestone RB-1, except with 11-speed drive train.  
>>
>> This current build is mostly Campy with an Athena rear derailleur (I 
>> wanted a lot of chrome), Record square taper BB and crank (maybe my 
>> favorite crank of all time),  rebuilt Record hubs, Chorus calipers and 
>> record front derailleur..  The seatpost is a cool Salsa that can be tilted 
>> with out loosening the clamp. Stem is a wonderful old Nitto Pearl. Rims are 
>> Hed Belgium with 28c Rene Hearse tires. The seat is a no-name something or 
>> other I found on Amazon and bought for the color, turns out to be a great 
>> seat for me.
>>
>> So I  just finished the build last week and felt this was a good place to 
>> share. I have a particular affinity for the Richard Sachs designed lugs.
>>
>> [image: _PSG0709- FM sRGB 2400px 1.jpg] 
>>
>> Here is a cloud folder of frame-only photos and a few after built.
>> https://ln5.sync.com/dl/daf4b7440/vjrbrwbt-ipme6hme-k74hpdjr-9ky5ayyr
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just restored '95 Riv Road

[Peter Guyton]

I just love the color. The original Sherwood Forest just never did it for 
me, it sort of hid the nice lugs or made them less obvious.  Good luck with 
the restore!

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:14:14 PM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:

> I currently have a 1995 Riv Road at Waterford waiting to be repainted 
> also. Mine was originally the English Light Blue, but I haven't decided 
> whether to stick with that or go with a different color. Yours looks 
> terrific, definitely an argument for sticking with that color. Thanks for 
> sharing.
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 10:22 AM 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Stunning I say!  Really beautiful!
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:36:36 AM UTC-5 peter@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This may be my first post here,  though it's likely I posted way back 
>>> when  (I probably should check that!) 
>>>
>>> ... So I just had my 1995 Rivendell Road restored at Waterford Precision 
>>> Cycles late last Fall.  I actually ordered the frame in 1995, it was brazed 
>>> at the Waterford factory in late '95 and delivered to me in January of 
>>> 1996.  So I consider a 1995. It was originally Sherwood Forest Green.  
>>>
>>> Here it is now:
>>>
>>> [image: Rivendell Studio 1-28-230034- Format10 export.jpg]
>>>
>>> By luck or happenstance, I actually worked directly with Richard Schwinn 
>>> on the project and I gravitated toward the color "*English Light Blue 
>>> metalic"  *when I saw a sample *.  *At first I wasn't sure the re-paint 
>>> would happen as a few surface rust spots could have been worse than 
>>> suspected, but all the potential problems turned out to be superficial.
>>>
>>> I rode this bike over the last 27+ years in a variety of 
>>> configurations:  as a near-racer, later a fendered commuter, at some points 
>>> I added indexed Suntour Superbe derailleurs and later an old Simplex rear 
>>> friction derailleur. It had Modolo brakes for years as well as some 1989 
>>> single Pivot Dura-Ace calipers. Eventually it received hand-me-down older 
>>> racing bike parts, Shimano and Campy,  from my racing bikes and it is now 
>>> pretty much a traditional British style race bike in the tradition of the 
>>> Bridgestone RB-1, except with 11-speed drive train.  
>>>
>>> This current build is mostly Campy with an Athena rear derailleur (I 
>>> wanted a lot of chrome), Record square taper BB and crank (maybe my 
>>> favorite crank of all time),  rebuilt Record hubs, Chorus calipers and 
>>> record front derailleur..  The seatpost is a cool Salsa that can be tilted 
>>> with out loosening the clamp. Stem is a wonderful old Nitto Pearl. Rims are 
>>> Hed Belgium with 28c Rene Hearse tires. The seat is a no-name something or 
>>> other I found on Amazon and bought for the color, turns out to be a great 
>>> seat for me.
>>>
>>> So I  just finished the build last week and felt this was a good place 
>>> to share. I have a particular affinity for the Richard Sachs designed lugs.
>>>
>>> [image: _PSG0709- FM sRGB 2400px 1.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Here is a cloud folder of frame-only photos and a few after built.
>>> https://ln5.sync.com/dl/daf4b7440/vjrbrwbt-ipme6hme-k74hpdjr-9ky5ayyr
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Just restored '95 Riv Road

[Peter Guyton]

Edwin,
The cost was probably about $1,100 when it was all said and done, excluding 
a little extra work I had to pay for (I left the headset in and they 
charged me to take it out and replace the cups and one other spot where a 
bolt was stuck behind the BB where you can attach the bottom of the 
fender).  It was all fair I think.  

The panels and extra touches (head tube, paint on top of fork crown) cost 
extra. I think you could do a more basic paint job for under $1k. Now, a 
new frame of this caliber would probably cost $2,500+ no?

I used to live in Stamford CT where the italian center would host a Ferrari 
show in the Spring most years (I think they stopped now). People would 
drive into the show in new and old Ferraris;  one was a 1963 GTO worth 
(back in 2007 or so) something like $3m or $5m and there was another 1938 
(?) Alfa Romeo that won Lemans that year. At the end of the show, the owner 
of the Alfa (also worth multiple $millions) hopped in the car and drove hit 
home on the street.  I was sort of in shock but also though it was pretty 
cool.  So I feel like my Riv Road should be ridden, you know? I won't ride 
it a ton but I'll get out there!
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 4:41:00 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> Peter,
>
> That is a beautiful bike! 
> Perfect job by you and Waterford.
>
> How much did it cost to do? Because I will do that to one of my bikes one 
> day, and want to start saving!!
>
> You could literally just hang that on the wall as a beautiful thing to 
> look at every day... 
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:36:36 AM UTC-6 peter@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This may be my first post here,  though it's likely I posted way back 
>> when  (I probably should check that!) 
>>
>> ... So I just had my 1995 Rivendell Road restored at Waterford Precision 
>> Cycles late last Fall.  I actually ordered the frame in 1995, it was brazed 
>> at the Waterford factory in late '95 and delivered to me in January of 
>> 1996.  So I consider a 1995. It was originally Sherwood Forest Green.  
>>
>> Here it is now:
>>
>> [image: Rivendell Studio 1-28-230034- Format10 export.jpg]
>>
>> By luck or happenstance, I actually worked directly with Richard Schwinn 
>> on the project and I gravitated toward the color "*English Light Blue 
>> metalic"  *when I saw a sample *.  *At first I wasn't sure the re-paint 
>> would happen as a few surface rust spots could have been worse than 
>> suspected, but all the potential problems turned out to be superficial.
>>
>> I rode this bike over the last 27+ years in a variety of configurations:  
>> as a near-racer, later a fendered commuter, at some points I added indexed 
>> Suntour Superbe derailleurs and later an old Simplex rear friction 
>> derailleur. It had Modolo brakes for years as well as some 1989 single 
>> Pivot Dura-Ace calipers. Eventually it received hand-me-down older racing 
>> bike parts, Shimano and Campy,  from my racing bikes and it is now pretty 
>> much a traditional British style race bike in the tradition of the 
>> Bridgestone RB-1, except with 11-speed drive train.  
>>
>> This current build is mostly Campy with an Athena rear derailleur (I 
>> wanted a lot of chrome), Record square taper BB and crank (maybe my 
>> favorite crank of all time),  rebuilt Record hubs, Chorus calipers and 
>> record front derailleur..  The seatpost is a cool Salsa that can be tilted 
>> with out loosening the clamp. Stem is a wonderful old Nitto Pearl. Rims are 
>> Hed Belgium with 28c Rene Hearse tires. The seat is a no-name something or 
>> other I found on Amazon and bought for the color, turns out to be a great 
>> seat for me.
>>
>> So I  just finished the build last week and felt this was a good place to 
>> share. I have a particular affinity for the Richard Sachs designed lugs.
>>
>> [image: _PSG0709- FM sRGB 2400px 1.jpg] 
>>
>> Here is a cloud folder of frame-only photos and a few after built.
>> https://ln5.sync.com/dl/daf4b7440/vjrbrwbt-ipme6hme-k74hpdjr-9ky5ayyr
>>
>>
>>

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