Re: [RBW] Susie's Limits

[Tim Baldwin]

That's my frame that was repaired. I had noticed a little extra flex riding 
into camp the night before and inspected the bike in the morning. It 
cracked around the water bottle boss. The tube did not crack in half or 
anything. I was able to ride the bike to the auto repair shop 5 or so miles 
away. I think someone else has photos of the crack. I'll post if I find 
some. I was more concerned with getting my frame fixed so I could ride the 
Big M trails. I almost made it to the trails on a trip four years ago and 
was taken out by pink eye. I did not want to miss out again. The shop may 
have gone a little overboard on the repair but it got me on the trails and 
back home. I covered it up with some sparkly nail polish to pretty it up 
and keep rust away.

As to the cause of the crack, hard to say. I weigh 150 pounds. I do carry a 
lot of water but the rest of my setup is pretty light. I doubt it's over 
50lbs with water. I've had the frame a year and some change but it's been 
on a month trip on the west coast, two week trip on the east coast, local 
campouts, grocery duty and daily commuting. It's definitely been put to the 
test. I plan to keep riding it until something else happens...

Nothing lasts forever, enjoy the ride!

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:29:18 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It should be pointed out that no one knows whether the break had anything 
> at all to do with loaded weight. It could have been run over by a car for 
> all we know. (Unless someone read through that thread and determined what 
> happened)
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> The 160 limit seems extremely low, and has definitely been pushed 
>> successfully, which I reckon is why they raised it to 225-ish. I suspect 
>> having room for beefy tires encourages people to really put a bike through 
>> its paces, which may have influenced Grant's conservative load limits. It's 
>> like Nitto saying a rack will only hold 5 lbs because they know people will 
>> put 15 lbs on it, but people would probably put 40 lbs on it if they didn't 
>> say anything, and some people still do.
>>
>> I think I remember something similar happening with the Sam. When it was 
>> introduced, it was "not intended for loaded touring", but people loaded it 
>> down and toured on it anyway, and Grant adjusted his thoughts about what it 
>> was capable of. That behavior may have also led to the second top tube. But 
>> this is all conjecture on my part.
>>
>> Either way, I'm not really surprised that a Susie broke, and I still 
>> think it's unlikely anyone is going to break a Susie just riding along ...
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 4:59:28 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> I find the weight limits very interesting. Rivendell has always marketed 
>>> their bikes as the “anti-racer” or “not light” alternative to wispy 
>>> aluminum and carbon bikes. Selling a bike with a weight limit most of us 
>>> would exceed seems strange. A max of 160 pounds implies to me a bike unlike 
>>> what I would expect from a company that urges us to take their products, 
>>> load a bunch of stuff on them, and ride on unpaved trails to an overnight 
>>> campout. After all, if I put 10 pounds of stuff on the bike, I can only 
>>> weight 150 pounds myself?
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> --Eric “Heavier than 160 Pounds” Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2022, at 2:48 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>
>>> I did tell them that I ride semi aggressive and would be bikepacking, I 
>>> just don’t do any big jumps. They still told me Susie at my weight. So I’d 
>>> imagine there was some other factors for that break. But I guess I’d be 
>>> crazy loaded if I got over it 200 total with me and my camp gear. 
>>>
>>> I can say that it rides smoother than anything I’ve ever ridden, I 
>>> wonder if the Gus truly has that same ride. I only have 60 or so miles on 
>>> it and it has been mostly bike path. We’ll see how it goes when I get a 
>>> chance to take it on some real trails!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 2:18:10 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 Originally it was 160 pounds, one of the main reasons I didn't jump on 
 the first batch. Over six foot that was a very low weight limit and it 
 made 
 me nervous. Somewhat Ironically, photos of this exact bike made me think, 
 actually I'd be fine.

 I rode down the stairs to the underpass on the weekend, I wont do that 
 again. Surprise surprise, Grant knows his bikes best.


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Re: [RBW] Five Great Temples Tour-Kyoto, Japan

[Tim Baldwin]

   
   - Looks so dreamy. A cycle tour in Japan  is on my bucket list.
   
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great photos.  Beautiful destinations for a ride.
>
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 8:28:46 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Lovely. Traditional Japanese architecture, and culture generally, is a 
>> high-point among Asian cultures, IMO.
>>
>> Patrick "half Asian myself" Moore
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 6:14 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> Kyoto is a modern city built over, squeezed between, and overflowing 
>>> from a rich and ancient history of streets, neighborhoods and temples. I 
>>> took my bike to Kyoto a few weeks back to do two rides: A Midnight Meander 
>>> and a 5 Great Temple Tour.
>>>
>>> I'm no historian or a Buddhist scholar, but I did like the idea of 
>>> riding the '5 mountains' of Kyoto. The '5 mountains' refers to a system of 
>>> Buddhist temples that have held great significance politically and 
>>> spiritually throughout Japan's history. There are corresponding 'mountains' 
>>> in Kamakura, not far from where I live, that I'll make a tour of one day 
>>> soon. 
>>>
>>> While I did stroll through some of these temples to admire the 
>>> architecture and craftsmanship that is so uniquely Japanese, to wander the 
>>> exquisite gardens, and contemplate the *karesansui * (the dry, stone 
>>> gardens) during my week in Kyoto, this morning bicycle ride was more about 
>>> passing through each of the 5 Great Temple grounds in the crisp, Spring 
>>> morning air before streets filled with cars.
>>>
>>> At each temple I took a photo of the *sanmon* gate and the *dharma* 
>>> hall. 
>>>
>>> Here are a few photos:
>>> [image: Tenryu-ji.jpeg][image: Nanzen-ji.jpeg][image: 
>>> Kennin-ji.jpeg][image: 
>>> Shokoku-ji.jpeg][image: Tofuku-ji.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Here's a link to my gaiagps track with more photos for the keeners among 
>>> you. 
>>>
>>> Five Great Temples of Kyoto 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[Tim Baldwin]

I'm also looking forward to the wide range 7 speed cassettes.  I really 
like the idea of a 7 speed rear hub as well as it would lower the dish of 
the wheel. I recall the old Phil wood 7 speed freewheel hubs were dishless 
(never could afford one when they were available). Not sure if that would 
be possible on a cassette hub. This cassette with a single ring up front 
would be great for around town and a double (or triple) up front would have 
a great range for touring.
Happy to see Grant continuing to come up with new and practical bike parts.

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:

> Am I one of the few who thinks this is a great option. 
> I applaud Merry Sales for their continued support of everyday practical 
> bike gear.
> I will definitely get a couple. 
> I am just as eagerly awaiting Rivendell’s V- brake and rear derailer. 
> Thank you once again Grant. 
>
> Ray
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Faceplater 85mm

[Tim Baldwin]

Ray, I have one that I'm not using. Sending you a pm.

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 7:50:07 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:

> Like the title says, does anyone have an 85mm 31.8 faceplater quill stem 
> they want to part with. 
> Please let me know if you do. 
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Re: Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[Tim Baldwin]

Thanks for taking initiative on the 26.8 lugged seatpost Leah! I'll take 
two!

That is one ugly expensive seatpost Garth! 

 What I really want is to be about 1cm back from where an S83 post places 
me. I'm guessing the majority of the interested folks are in a similar 
boat. I don't need all the extreme setback of the SR MTE-100 or IRD 
seatposts but it gets me where I want to be. I would much prefer a fixed 
two bolt clamp design with the clamp set further back. A 26.8 S84 would do 
just while also being one of the best looking seatposts around.
On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 12:55:36 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "it's not rocket science"
>
> It's a 26.8 post but 27.2 at the top and one bolt holds the saddle but you 
> gotta get it really tight or it'll slip no that's not tight enough you need 
> grease or Blue Loctite or maybe valve grinding compound also a long wrench 
> good luck. 
>
> It's rocket science. 
>
> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 11:13:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It *would *be nice to see that S84 in 26.8. Since most Rivs come that 
>> way now. Hey Grant! 
>>
>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 8:26:56 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Ugh...that's a drag. I wonder if it's worth contacting IRD? Maybe this 
>>> is a defect they should address. Or even better maybe Riv has a hack they 
>>> can suggest. I know they would be happy to help you, Leah. Or the wisdom of 
>>> ROB? The other nice post with lots of setback and 2 bolts is Paul's Tall 
>>> and Handsome...but it's not available in  26.8. And, of course, not 
>>> cheap...north of $200 , say $220?  Anyway, somebody, can't remember who, 
>>> said it's not exactly plug-and-play with seat posts and it looks like they 
>>> weren't wrong. 
>>>
>>> Anyway...I do hope for your sake  a solution can be found. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 8:51:49 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Ryan, this could be the case. I took the bike out for another 11 miles 
 tonight. I made sure to put my weight on it on bumps to see if I could 
 loosen that bolt/clamp. I have a pretty fast mile descent with lots of 
 bumps. It did come loose. I periodically jumped off to make minor 
 adjustments and check the bolt, and often, it was coming loose.

 By the time I got home there was a ticking noise in the saddle. I 
 tightened everything having anything to do with that seat post and saddle. 
 I will see what tomorrow brings but it’s not looking good for this seat 
 post. Which is unfortunate, because I really loved the setback and the 
 little measurement tool on the side. Great ideas.

 At this point I may go back to the annoying stock seat post (which has 
 a tiny bit more setback than the S83) and maybe get the stem in a 100. 
 That’s as long of a reach as they make in that tall stem. Sigh. So sad.
 L

 On Nov 22, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Ryan  wrote:

 you're right about that Joe, of course. If you're running a 
 saddlebag.  If  Leah's IRD is loosening and going out of adjustment for no 
 good reasonthat's ugly..and potentially dangerous. 


 Google turned up this:

 1.0 out of 5 stars Heavy, expensive, and it slips... *The clamp 
 mechanism is poorly designed. It will clamp the saddle securely at the 
 desired angle, however the clamp mechanism will migrate to the rear of the 
 setback slot and not hold its position. *This in spite of proper 
 installation--grease and required torquing.

 Sounds like this is what Leah talked about. 

 I feel like a 2-bolt design is more robust...and since I am not as 
 svelte as I would like, I feel more secure with the 2-bolter S83's 
 On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 5:16:25 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The lugged post is lovely and I recommend it for the setback, but we 
> all need to remember one thing when deciding if a post is ugly or pretty: 
> Most of us put a strap around the dang things and block it with a 
> saddlebag, then our legs do the rest. No one can see the post! 藍
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 2:55:28 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> That bolt? Was wondering that myself. A solution in search of a 
>> problem? Leah, that sucks that your seatpost didn't hold your 
>> adjustment. 
>> I've been reading this thread with a lot of interest because I think my 
>> custom I bought in 2016 needs a seatpost with more setback; right now 
>> I'm 
>> using the S83. But I feel too far forward with the mixte geometry ; I'd 
>> like to be  butt back and pivoting a little more forward. I don't love 
>> that 
>> IRD, it's ugly IMO. Maybe the lugged Nitto is the answer. I quickly 
>> checked 
>> the build list for my mixte...and yes, it's a frame tht takes a 27.2 
>> seatpost. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 3:17:23 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[Tim Baldwin]

Patrick, the length is not the limiting factor. The top of the post is 27.2 
and tapers to 26.8. I found this out the hard way by cutting first and 
measuring second. IRD must have done this so they can use the same mold for 
the top clamping portion and change the shaft based on the desired seatpost 
diameter. The downside of this is that with the 26.8 seatpost as low as it 
can go, the center of the clamp where the saddle rails sit will be 10.5 cm 
above the frame's seat tube.

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 1:23:32 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lean and Tim: You can cut seatposts to fit a frame. I've done it many 
> times with a hacksaw, but it's much easier (for both cutting and cleanup) 
> to use a pipe cutter, which most hardware stores will have.
>
> Why not trim the unneeded excess from the IRDs so that they work?
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 11:39 AM Tim Baldwin  wrote:
>
>> Leah, I bought the IRD seatpost for my 53 cm Susie, but I can't slam it 
>> low enough for that frame.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[Tim Baldwin]

Leah, I bought the IRD seatpost for my 53 cm Susie, but I can't slam it low 
enough for that frame. The IRD will go on my 51cm Atlantis where I can get 
it low enough. Just need a few tweaks on that build to get it going after 
installing a Crust cargo fork. I went back to the S83 on the Susie for a 
bit but could not get back as far as I wanted. So now I'm trying a slightly 
undersized SR MTE post (with classy La Croix can shim) that I can get low 
enough. 
I do wish Riv could get Nitto to make the lugged post in 26.8. It's a much 
more elegant way to move your saddle back.

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 8:23:19 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> Glad to be of help. Leah, maybe you can use your influence with Rivendell 
> to get them to get Nitto to make a 26.8 lugged setback seatpost, but that 
> is a big ask because of the expense of casting a new lug for a low 
> production item. The two bolt seatposts are great because they let you 
> adjust the fore and aft of the seat without changing the angle and 
> vice-versa. You loosed one of the bolts, slide the post and retighten the 
> same bolt and the seat returns to the same angle. Changing the angle is 
> similarly improved - to change the angle, you loosen the bolt on the end 
> you want to move up 1/4 turn and tighten the other bolt 1/4 turn, thus 
> changing the angle without sliding the seat, repeat as necessary.
> The little fastener on the back of the seatpost helps retain the post head 
> to the post.
> There is one other way to adjust the seat to pedal relationship but I am 
> hesitant to mention it because it will do the exact opposite of "sitting 
> down in the bike". That is a shorter crank length - it moves the pedal 
> towards the seat instead of the other way around. Advantage is that it does 
> not alter the seat to handlebar relationship. Disadvantage is that it 
> results in a higher center of gravity and a longer seat to pavement 
> relationship. The generally lower bottom bracket of road-ish Rivendells is 
> one of the things that gives Rivendells their feel, and using shorter 
> cranks kind of negates that.
> I have been looking at and pricing seat tube reamers in order to use 27.2 
> lugged seatposts in 26.8 and 27.0 frames (reamers are much faster than 
> brake cylinder hones, which is my current method). I realize that this is 
> way beyond what most people are willing to do to their bike frame and 
> almost certainly not what Rivendell would approve of, but Rivendell did use 
> the thinner tubing for many years.
>
> Laing
>
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 4:02:57 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> [image: 4F9D0A57-31F2-46D8-9FC5-2B4CD19A8377.jpeg][image: 
>> 01A4B13F-B79C-4AD6-87AA-865A60510C77.jpeg][image: 
>> 762CEC45-A776-48F4-A909-E57865E26BBC.jpeg]I adore my two Rivendells. My 
>> raspberry Platypus is perfect, my absolute favorite, and my good-natured 
>> Clem is a close 2nd. 
>>
>> But over time, I noticed little things that I wished were different. 
>> Usually, I ponder a long time before actually making any changes, because 
>> the smallest adjustment can make a bike feel foreign. I have a long and 
>> documented history of driving to bike shops completely nauseated, and 
>> crying in their parking lots over ridiculous things like getting new tires 
>> or brake cables or a new Nitto rack. When I would retrieve the bike after 
>> service, a typical first ride would be: “Now it’s terrible! Nothing like 
>> the good thing I had. I hate these new tires. What was I thinking having 
>> this rack installed?! I knew it, I should have left the bald tires on the 
>> bike and kept it original!” 
>>
>> Give me enough time and annoyance, and even I will make a change. I had 
>> not been getting along with my stock seat post (the nose of the saddle 
>> would tip up) and my Brooks (it was rubbing me the wrong way - ha). I got a 
>> Rivet Sonora in white (it is fabulous) and a Nitto S83 post, which didn’t 
>> offer enough setback. I wanted to scoot back, but was at the end of the 
>> Rivet. I was holding my bars forward of the grips to compensate. I wanted 
>> to be more stretched out; I felt cramped. My stem is the Nitto x-tall 280mm 
>> stem in a 9 cm reach. They offer a 10 cm, but nothing longer, and the 10 
>> wouldn’t make enough difference. I’m not giving up my 280 mm height, so if 
>> not a new stem…maybe a new seat post. 
>>
>> Rivendell sells an IRD Wayback seat post. I’m sure I’m committing some 
>> ergonomic sin by adjusting seat post and not stem, but it WORKED. I sit 
>> exactly perfect now, and there’s even a measurement on the side so that 
>> what I like now has a number I can assign to it.
>>
>> The cons. It’s not an elegant seat post, but it’s dead practical. The 
>> Nitto wins for looks, but I’m more practical than pretty, so I’m only 
>> bothered by this a *little*. The Wayback has one bolt, so I’m not sure if 
>> my Rivet nose will tip up over time. Weight. The Wayback feels heavy in 
>> hand, and 

Re: [RBW] Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[Tim Baldwin]

That's as far down as the seatpost will go. The portion above and just 
below the little bolt is 27.2 then tapers to 26.8, probably making it 
easier to produce different seatpost sizes.

I found this out the hard way. Thought it was hitting a butted section so I 
chopped it only to find it did not go down any lower. Then I got out the 
calipers. Whoops.

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 12:01:37 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> One more theory: The saddle is way back now so the post is lower relative 
> to where you had the old one set. According to this theory both posts would 
> stop at the butted section if you tried to slam them. Or I'm overthinking 
> this! 浪
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 9:38:33 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> First, it's so the way of things that it was perfect on the first ride 
>> then all went to heck on the second. Oy!
>>
>> But to the matters at hand. My first assumption was the post is really 
>> long and it's clanging into the lip of the toptube as it crosses into the 
>> seattube. But this post is 250mm, same as the one you pulled. Unless you 
>> somehow got a longer one? My next guess is it's a smidge bigger in diameter 
>> than the last one and it's stopping at a butted portion of the seattube 
>> where it's thicker in there. In either case it wouldn't hurt anything, but 
>> I'd pull the post for an inspection anyway. Maybe there's a burr on the 
>> bottom that needs to be sanded down. 
>>
>> That little bolt is weird. The Riv page says it's an aluminum head/clamp 
>> in a steel post, maybe the head/clamp is removable. 
>>
>> Joe "has more questions than answers" Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:09:28 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Today was interesting. I found that the saddle was slipping around in 
>>> the clamp while on my ride. The setback had changed to 40! I figure this 
>>> occurred because I had the saddle slid all the way back on the rails; I 
>>> repositioned it further forward and everything seems ok now. But, this 
>>> messed up my measurements and I spent the rest of the ride second-guessing 
>>> where I had set the setback number (all over between 39-45). There’s no 
>>> telling if I love or hate the current adjustment! I’ve sworn to leave it 
>>> alone for a bit.
>>>
>>> BUT…I have two questions.
>>>
>>> 1. I have the post slammed into the frame. I can’t get it any lower 
>>> because it’s making contact with something in there. I can ride in the way 
>>> it is, but what is the post hitting in there? Am I wrecking stuff? Should I 
>>> have the post cut at a bike shop?
>>>
>>> 2. What is this tiny screw for?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks! I owe you all so much.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Nov 21, 2021, at 1:17 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>>
>>> Garth, 
>>>
>>>
>>> You pegged it for me—a 12 or 13 cm stem would have worked if they made 
>>> it, or sticking with a less pulled back bar like the Albatross. Love the 
>>> Billies more to hold all my handlebars “stuff.”  I wanted to start with 
>>> what I had purchased  for the bike before starting to buy other fixes.  
>>>
>>> Btw, because of my neck issues, all my stems are near max level. 
>>> Viola—no more neck pain!   I’m so happy I don’t cry anymore when riding. 
>>>  I’m glad I found Rivendell. 
>>>
>>> I look forward to seeing your custom. 
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone even know what the seat tube angle is on the Platypus ?  
 Likely not as the frame geometry was never included in the table. It's 
 either 72 or 71.5.  All 'n all in my opinion Grant/Will could do a better 
 job of educating buyers on fitting their bikes rather than saying "just 
 trust us".  That rather irks me actually as it's the same-ol-same-ol bike 
 shop mentality that's been around since I can remember. "We know better 
 than the customer." No, they don't, as if they did they'd take the time to 
 share in the process of fitting the bike to the customers sensibilities, 
 not the bike shops as their take is inherently of their own self 
 interests. 
 Buying a bike virtually makes it challenging for everyone of course. I 
 take 
 it upon myself to check a frame before I buy it to see what all specs are, 
 if the seat angle is 72 or less, if it has enough f-c, stack and reach and 
 all that jazz. Learn what it all means and how that will translate to 
 actually fitting into the frame. Besides the Bombadil, the only other 
 frame 
 I considered suitable from them was a Susie, which I bought but as of yet 
 I 
 don't feel any enthusiasm to build. 

 With a Platypus and a swept back bar I suspect Leah and Roberta could 
 use a longer stem, assuming the saddle is now in the "sweet spot" of what 
 feels right and what feels right is intuitive, a centering balance of 
 being 
 "in the bike" and being able to pedal efficiently. No one can tell you 
 

[RBW] Re: Susie & Gus take a 40 day Vacation

[Tim Baldwin]

This trip was a blast! Glad Joseph and I made it happen after postponing a 
year due to the pandemic. Many thanks to Allison for the drop-off.

Stephen, it was a pleasure riding the Nutmeg with you. Hoping to do it 
again next year. Holler if you end up in the Chicago area and we can link 
up for a ride.

On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 10:17:16 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> This is dope, looks like an awesome trip! I got to ride with Tim last week 
> in Connecticut, it was a great time!
>
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 11:32:07 AM UTC-4 joseph...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUGgOqEqOkc
>>
>> took a 40 day vacation with bikes.  I ride a Gus and my friend, Tim, a 
>> Susie.  Check out the video above for a recap of events in sequential order.
>>
>> The original idea was a skate trip by bicycles but with mediocre at best 
>> planning.  We would ride from Seattle to Oakland finding as much dirt and 
>> gravel as possible.  
>> We left Chicago by car on July 3rd with my wife, 2 dogs, 2 bikes and 
>> plenty of camping equipment.  We dropped my bike off in Seattle to get the 
>> front hub replaced and drove up to Orcas Island for some camping and 
>> skating.  After 10 days of driving my wife dropped Tim & I in Seattle to 
>> begin the biking portion.  Yes, my wife dropped us in Seattle and drover 
>> herself and the 2 dogs back to Chicago by herself.  She is the best and has 
>> already let me know she will not be doing that again anytime soon. 
>> Free Range Cycles in Seattle was the starting point for the biking 
>> portion because that is where my bike was.  We had a late start and ended 
>> up skating under the bridge, Marginal Way, until dark with the Grindline 
>> crew.  A guy named Isaac gave us a place to crash on the flat bottom of 
>> there indoor vert ramp.  He also gave us a great route to hit skateparks 
>> along the way towards Yakima.  
>>
>> We zigzagged through Washington hitting skateparks along the way. If you 
>> didn't know already the Seattle area has the most skateparks per capita.  
>> The route was not straight forward but the trip was not meant to be. We 
>> rode towards Yakima and hung for a day before making our way 
>> towards Bingen, WA.
>> After skating Bingen Park for a full day we hitchhiked across the 
>> Columbia River to get into Hood River, Oregon.  From Hood River we rode to 
>> Portland and instead of staying in Portland for 3 days we stayed for 14.  
>> After about 8 days our friend finally asked how long we would be sleeping 
>> on his floor.  We originally thought we would ride the Oregon Outback but 
>> due to heavy fires thought best to just stay and skate Burnside everyday 
>> and do some s24o in the Portland area. (We plan on going back and doing the 
>> Outback in the early spring time).  We both were not interested in biking 
>> the 1 and used a Hertz bailout to rent a van and drive the 1 with our bikes 
>> to Oakland.  Saving our legs for lots of day rides and skating through the 
>> Oakland area. 
>> We stayed in Oakland for about 10 days and skated every single day expect 
>> one when we decided to take BART to walnut creek and ride Mt. Diablo.  
>> After sleeping outside on the Mountain we checked out Riv and took BART 
>> back to our friends place in Oakland.
>> After a good time in Oakland we took the Amtrak back to Chicago on August 
>> 12th.
>> The big take away... Bring your bike to each town you visit so you can go 
>> where you want when you want.  Sometimes, listen to locals.  Lastly, 
>> carrying a skateboard while touring adds a lot of extra weight but totally 
>> worth it if you are still a 30+ year old skate rat.  
>>
>> -Joseph
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 2021 J'Appaloosa

[Tim Baldwin]

Jason, seeing as you have another post about which color to paint the 
Bombadil, I think this is the one! I also don't need a Appaloosa (have an 
Atlantis) but I do really like this color.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 7:34:32 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah, the Riv I most want is an Apppalsa (tears emojis) and this color 
> is so sweat. I also dig the mustard they did a few years back. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 12:21:17 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Looks a lot like the Platypus "blue silver" which is really more of a 
>> blue-green - and I LOVE it.  Really love it.  If I didn't have the Bombadil 
>> I'd be lining up for an Appa in this color.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, 23 March 2021 at 04:18:28 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed this morning that the Appaloosa page has been updated with a 
>>> painted sample tube. Looks like a creamy sage. Wow! 
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2021-03-23 at 7.17.23 AM.png]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Most Traveled Rivendell? Pamela Murray’s Betty Foy: 51,845 Miles

[Tim Baldwin]

This is some good inspiration for riding. Toting that table around is 
impressive. I'd like to put that many miles on a bike, I just need to stop 
building new ones every couple of years. Easier said than done. I thought 
the Atlantis might be the one (probably has around 8,000) but my new Susie 
is getting all the miles now. All that aside, I love seeing people ride the 
heck out of their bikes.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:54:52 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Just for fun, here's some links to some folder w/more pictures of stuff 
> I've carried home on my bike.  Most of this stuff is rescued from the curb 
> (landfill).  Some are groceries from the store and the drying rack was a 
> gift from a friend.  Carry your straps all the time.  You never know what 
> you'll find.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/184xIq-hNRac1onn7N8IjcupmH9ttKACw?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/181PWvlL0MhwSmqsajAPRK_BNo--en6ME?usp=sharing
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:20:44 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: B5AB496C-E49A-4B04-BEE5-0E57D67F9DFD.png][image: 
>> 7F6B87BC-E674-4345-B790-97AB33BA5EF2.jpeg][image: 
>> 4748EDA6-97D3-449E-B58D-092DCD994DB9.png]
>>
>> This powerhouse is Pamela Murray. We’ve mentioned her before. I hold her 
>> in highest esteem because of what she gets done on her Betty Foy. She rides 
>> in all weather, carries all manner of unwieldy things, and wears her stuff 
>> OUT. Like, she’s on her 3rd dyno hub. She wore out her front derailleur. 
>> You get the picture. 
>>
>> Anyway, she posted a pic of her carrying a child’s bike on her Nitto 
>> rack. Sure, it required 4 straps and an iron will, but she has all those 
>> things. She said she is getting her use out of her Riv and her Nitto rack. 
>> Marveling, I told her I think she has the most use of any Riv in the 
>> history of Riv, and she shrugged it off, sure that others have as many 
>> miles. 
>>
>> Her Betty Foy mileage (oh she keeps track!) is an astounding 51,845 
>> miles. 
>>
>> I told her I had to start a thread and find out if anyone can beat that. 
>> So: has anyone got a Rivendell with more miles than Pam? 
>>
>> Even if you can’t beat her, if you have a Riv with an impressive log of 
>> miles, share it here! Photos that show the character of your well-traveled 
>> machines are welcome!
>> Leah
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Dave Moulton's blog worth a look today

[Tim Baldwin]

Dig it. I end up on his blog occasionally. He does have some good been 
around the block a few times wisdom. I think Grant may have linked to 
Dave's blog and that was how I ended up there.
I was reading Lila by Robert Pirsig last night and got to a section talking 
about celebrity. A zen master once told him, "If you get too famous you 
will go straight to hell." The idea being that once you become a celebrity 
you have two personalities diverging, the true self and the image others 
have of you. This is true of all people to some extent but gets magnified 
when your fame increases, thus making it more difficult to get in touch 
with your true self. I don't have much desire to be famous but I would like 
to be happy. These are good reminders that happiness is a choice we make 
each day, not something that is given or owed to us.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:57:55 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Thanks for posting.  Good read.
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:01:13 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I guess not too many on this list read a blog by a retired builder of 
>> racing frames, but Moulton has a fund of basic wisdom in his very old age. 
>> He's not a wise man, but he's a practical man who grew up in harder times, 
>> worked at a real craft, and has mellowed in old age. FWIW.
>>
>> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Tim Baldwin]

Love the new anodized parts! With style like that, the bike just has to 
ride better.

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 9:32:11 AM UTC-6 Ray Evans wrote:

> I think you and that glorious bike need to go into a Witness Protection 
> Program now.
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 9:08 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> That bike with all its glorious teal and rose and Brooks and bags is - 
>> and there is no higher compliment from me - CRAZY. As the kids would say, 
>> it's ridiculous! Excellent work all around from Leah the parts/paint 
>> picker, Analog Cycles for the parts/ano, and the pro shop that put it all 
>> together. And Grant/Riv for the bike! 
>>
>> Joe "I have a custom and I'm still jealous of Leah's bike" Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:53:12 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> (This message should have preceded my photos, but it was too large and 
>>> was not sent. Since the file is too large, you can see it on Instagram or 
>>> the Facebook groups if you like.)
>>>
>>> Well, while we wait for the ship to be unloaded (MONDAY! 拾), I made a 
>>> video of my Platy because...IT’S FINALLY COMPLETE. I was waiting on a bunch 
>>> of rose anodized parts and a Randi Jo bag in custom colors and all of those 
>>> things arrived on Thursday and I whisked the whole getup to the bike shop 
>>> for assembly. Here’s a video that may not show up. So after that, I’ll send 
>>> pics.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> "For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell 
>>> and the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
>>> fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff."
>>>
>>> The way this would work in real like (cuz I'm the ebike liker around 
>>> here) is I would be in the parking lot selling that e-folder out of my 
>>> trunk and Grant would be chasing me off the premises 藍
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 Mike M:  Just turn on closed captions for English-ish translation. 

 For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell 
 and the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
 fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff. 



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> Bluelug just posted a Platypus build video.
> I wish I understood Japanese!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga8o1WKWgXs=537s
>
> Mike M
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recs for platforms

[Tim Baldwin]

I like riding in Vans sk8 hi or Crocs. So really just the shoes I would 
wear around anyway. I wear boots when I have to.  I have some Sorels with a 
thin sole that work well in the winter. If it's warmer and wet, splats are 
pretty great and so stylish. 

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 9:03:48 PM UTC-6 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I’m on my second pair of Chrome Kursks.
> The old ones lasted years, off-road and on.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 6:17:22 PM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've seen a few old threads on this topic, but am curious what shoes 
>> people like for their platforms? I'm using the newish grip monarchs.
>>
>> I've been riding in an old pair of running shoes for a number of years, 
>> but the holes are getting out of hand and it's time for them to retire. I 
>> tried a pair of fairly rigid spd shoes that I had sitting around from a few 
>> years ago (without the cleats) and while I like the rigidity, the grip 
>> doesn't hold up when they're wet.
>>
>> I'm finding that I like the additional stiffness. Trying the mushy 
>> running shoes again, they feel pretty bad. I'm not sure how they didn't 
>> bother me all those years.
>>
>> So what's grippy (esp when wet), not too hot, decent in the rain, and 
>> reasonably stiff?(doesn't have to be cycling specific)
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Tim Baldwin]

Yes, tighten that stem clamp. I think the move to 31.8 clamp makes sense 
for swept back bars. The 31.8 Tosco feels super solid wiith the Nitto 
faceplate quill stem.

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 1:03:43 PM UTC-6 John Phillips wrote:

>   I tilt my Albatross bars down like Eric's Alba's or Tom's Tosco's. I 
> like a nearly 90 degree angle between the bar and my arm/wrist. With stem 
> length & height, bar height, bar angle, and grips, everyone's needs are 
> different , but one absolutely needs to tighten that bar clamp.
>
> John
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[RBW] Re: Birthday Bike Build and Campout

[Tim Baldwin]

Thanks for reading Paul, Doug, and Eric. Glad people are enjoying the post. 
I'm hoping this is one of many overnights this year. The Gus and Susie are 
some great riding bikes. I got a couple commutes in this week and I've been 
having a blast cruising fast, flying over the rough streets here. Those G 
Ones set up tubeless probably help.

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 1:44:18 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Rad trip! Thanks for sharing :) 
>
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 2:18:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Great post Tim. The orange frame with the black rims and big Schwalbe 
>> G-Ones looks nice.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 7:22:46 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:21:35 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:18:45 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And now for some pictures...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Birthday Bike Build and Campout

[Tim Baldwin]

Thanks all for reading. Justin, I recommend getting out weather be damned. 
It's good for the soul. I'm already planning my next one.

On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 9:25:11 AM UTC-6 Ray Evans wrote:

> I am sitting in 70 degree sunshine reading your post, thinking, "No. No 
> way. Hanging out in the latrine just to warm up before a bike ride? No, 
> that's not happening." And yet...and yet, I'll bet that coffee tasted 
> damned good. So happy birthday, Tim, and thanks for sharing this tale with 
> us.
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 6:11 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>
>> Nice writeup, thanks for sharing. Makes me miss the winters when I lived 
>> in Lake Geneva, WI.
>>
>> Pat in DC where it's just cold and wet and no fun snow.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 8:54:02 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
>> NY) wrote:
>>
>>> Great post Tim, thanks for sharing the build info and camp story & pics. 
>>> Makes me wanna head out for an overnighter this weekend!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 8:37:40 AM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Leah! Hope you had a happy birthday and were able to get out for 
>>>> a ride. The mist was great; a perfect backdrop for some early morning 
>>>> black 
>>>> metal on my bluetooth speaker to go along with some black coffee.
>>>> Mark, it really wasn't that cold. The temperature never dropped much 
>>>> below 40F. The snow was leftovers from a blizzard that came on the same 
>>>> day 
>>>> as my Susie. No need to give up a bike. Just have to find a different way 
>>>> to justify a new bike.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 7:25:57 AM UTC-6 mark etze wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Too bad your Birthday is in February, that looks pretty cold.
>>>>>
>>>>> I owe on my taxes this year, I hope that doesn't mean I have to give 
>>>>> up a bike.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 10:31:10 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This story was a lot of fun to read. I can’t believe you were out 
>>>>>> there in the snow in your Crocs with plastic bags around your feet. 
>>>>>> Also, 
>>>>>> your friends are a blend of crazy and awesome. I’ve never bike camped 
>>>>>> (I’ve 
>>>>>> never been the camping sort) but I almost want to after reading about 
>>>>>> how 
>>>>>> magical it was to drink coffee in the morning mist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy birthday! (Mine was the 26th - cheers!)
>>>>>> Leah 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 4:22:46 PM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:21:35 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:18:45 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And now for some pictures...
>>>>>>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Birthday Bike Build and Campout

[Tim Baldwin]

Thanks Leah! Hope you had a happy birthday and were able to get out for a 
ride. The mist was great; a perfect backdrop for some early morning black 
metal on my bluetooth speaker to go along with some black coffee.
Mark, it really wasn't that cold. The temperature never dropped much below 
40F. The snow was leftovers from a blizzard that came on the same day as my 
Susie. No need to give up a bike. Just have to find a different way to 
justify a new bike.

On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 7:25:57 AM UTC-6 mark etze wrote:

> Too bad your Birthday is in February, that looks pretty cold.
>
> I owe on my taxes this year, I hope that doesn't mean I have to give up a 
> bike.
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 10:31:10 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> This story was a lot of fun to read. I can’t believe you were out there 
>> in the snow in your Crocs with plastic bags around your feet. Also, your 
>> friends are a blend of crazy and awesome. I’ve never bike camped (I’ve 
>> never been the camping sort) but I almost want to after reading about how 
>> magical it was to drink coffee in the morning mist.
>>
>> Happy birthday! (Mine was the 26th - cheers!)
>> Leah 
>>
>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 4:22:46 PM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:21:35 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:18:45 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And now for some pictures...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[RBW] Birthday Bike Build and Campout

[Tim Baldwin]

In early February, I decided to pull the trigger on a Susie frame for my 
birthday. Doing my taxes early and the seeing number of frames dwindle made 
the decision for me. My federal tax return was almost exactly the cost of a 
shipped Susie frame. I wasn't sure how backed up Riv was with shipping 
frames, so originally I planned to take my time to collect parts and build 
it up. I then talked to Will on the phone and he said the frame would ship 
out in a few days. Once I heard that, I started to think I could get the 
bike built up by my birthday on February 28. Not only that, but I had a 
campsite booked for 2/27. I could ride my new bike to my birthday campout! 

After that, it was on! I scrambled to figure out all the parts I had on 
hand and what I would need to order. Considering this would be my birthday 
bike, I decided to go all out on the parts. I wanted to really deck it out 
right away. The frame showed up on the 15th and I had the bike mostly built 
up in the first week. I was trying to be patient waiting for USPS to 
deliver the last few parts. However, they are super backed up right now. I 
have packages that landed in Chicago Feb. 14/15 and are still undelivered. 
In the end, I made a couple audibles to get the bike built up in time. I 
worked all Friday evening and got up at 5am on Saturday to finish the build 
and pack. With the early start, I even had time to tape the bars with 
various ends of Newbaums. Here's how the build I ended up:

Wheels: I was planning on building wheels but found a set of Cliffhangers 
laced to Deore hubs for $220 shipped. They came taped for tubeless and I 
was able to get the tires seated up first try. Hard to beat that deal. I 
would like to build up a dynamo wheel soon.
Tires: Schwalbe G-One Allround 27.5 x 2.25
Cassette: 9 speed Shimano 12-36 
Rear derailleur: Altus for now, still waiting on USPS to deliver an XT 
rapid rise.
Crankset: Silver two piece with 38t Raceface ring. No front derailleur for 
now but I am going to switch to a 36/22 in the future. I want to find a 
cool vintage derailleur for the front.
Pedals: Blue Lug panda pedals. Cute and they feel great!
Seatpost: Nitto S83
Saddle: Brooks Flyer special
Stem: 85mm Riv/Nitto fillet brazed 31.8. Had this on my Atlantis but wanted 
a shorter stem for that bike.
Bars: 31.8 Tosco. I put 55cm Boscos at first but those felt so narrow when 
I sat on the bike. The Tosco showed up in the nick of time Friday Feb. 26.
Shifter: Suntour barcon. This shifter has been on multiple bikes and is 
always a joy to use.
Brakes: Paul touring cantilevers with stock straddle cable hangers. I have 
cool old Dia Compe roller straddle cable hangers that I'm still waiting for 
USPS to deliver.
I used a Paul Funky monkey in front and a Surly cable hanger for the rear.
Brake levers: some Origin8s for now. Waiting for some Pauls.
Rear rack/bag: Nitto R14 with a large saddlesack
Front rack: Riv/Nitto basket rack with Wald 137
Lights: Blue Lug copper Koma
Bottle cages: a Widefoot liter cage, a King anything cage, and a side entry 
one I got in a trade
Stem bags: a Roadrunner Auto-Pilot (huge), a Blue Lug stem bag, and an XS 
saddlesack for tools and various odds n ends
Pump: Zefal frame pump

Once I had the bike built up, it was time to take it on a test ride. The 
campsite at Bullfrog Lake in Palos Woods is about 25 miles from my house in 
Chicago/Logan Square. For the ride portion, I was able to get my friend and 
Gus owner Joseph to come along. I had a couple other people interested but 
they bailed. It's surprisingly hard to get people on board for camping in 
late February in Chicago. Anyway, the weather was great on Saturday with 
temperatures getting into the 50s. We left around 1pm and were at the 
campsite by around 5pm. We took a couple breaks and made a couple wrong 
turns, which is my kind of riding. We navigated mostly by memory and a 
paper map but consulted the phone when it looked like we were getting onto 
a highway. 

The campsite was snowy and sloppy. Joseph wisely wore Bogs but I only had 
Vans and Crocs. I made due by wearing two pairs of wool socks, plastic 
bags, waterproof mittens and Crocs on my feet. We borrowed a shovel from 
our neighbors and cleared and packed down a spot for our tents. Next, 
Joseph went and got some firewood from the camp store. I scooped and 
cleared the fire pit the best I could. For almost an hour, we did all we 
could to get the wet campground firewood to catch. We used firestarters, 
matches, alcohol soaked pieces of cloth, leaves, and whatever else we could 
find. We were about out of stuff to burn when my friend Tom showed up. He 
lives nearby and was just coming to hang by the fire. Not only did he bring 
dry firewood but hot dogs, tater tots and chocolate as well! Joseph and I 
are usually pretty good about packing food but this time not so much. We 
were hungry and starting to get cold at this point. Thanks for saving the 
day Tom! With the dry wood, we got the fire 

Re: [RBW] Mixte vs Diamond Frame

[Tim Baldwin]

Kate, if you're friction curious, Riv has Microshift thumb shifters or 
Shimano bar end shifters that can switch between friction and index. Then 
you can try both and see which you prefer. I like friction front and rear 
myself.
Joe, dig the reverse shifters. Gotta do what works for you.

On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 2:55:49 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> To wrap up my story and possibly amuse anyone who thinks I have the 
> weirdest FrankenShifting ever, here's the shifter. It's a Silver downtube 
> lever on a Paul Thumbie mounted on the right side (arthritis reasons I 
> won't bore anyone with again, most of you have heard it). Enjoy the weird! 
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 12:09:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Front indexing works well if you have the exact match of shifter, 
>> derailleur and cranks and not at all if one of those pieces doesn't fit. 
>> For instance my Rivendell Custom has a Sugino triple with 24-36-44 rings 
>> and a Campagnolo triple front derailleur. This works for me but there's no 
>> chance I could find a front index shifter to shift it, plus friction 
>> shifting front rings is very easy: It's only two or three rings and I can 
>> see what the derailleur is doing as I'm moving the lever. I don't have the 
>> same "easy" experience with the rear so I go index there. *
>>
>> * No shade on folks who like front index and can live with the matching 
>> bits it requires. Ride what you like! 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 7:49:36 AM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> HI Joe, 
>>> Thank you for the warm welcome.  I appreciate your input as I am just 
>>> getting started and will have to make this decision for sure.  I am only 
>>> use to rapid fire thumb shifters on my hybrid and brifters on my road 
>>> bike.  I don't know anything about friction shifting so I'm not sure if 
>>> this is for me.  Why didn't you use them for front and back?
>>> Kate
>>> Trenton, NJ
>>>
>>> *upyou...@yahoo.com*
>>> *Kate Gilson*
>>> [image: Image Preview]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 08:48:10 PM EST, Joe Bernard <
>>> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Kate, welcome to the Riv Show ‍♂️
>>>
>>> I think you'll love that gorgeous Platypus, it's the business! You can't 
>>> go wrong with most of Riv's suggestions for parts, but the 
>>> indexing/friction shifter conundrum may come up and I don't know what 
>>> you're using on your road and trail bikes (and you may already know what 
>>> you want and my advice is moot). Friction front is great, but Riv is also a 
>>> big propronent of friction rear, as are many of its riders. I am not that 
>>> person, I need clicky shifts for the rear derailleur. My 
>>> recently-purchased-used Riv Susie came with friction rear and I just 
>>> replaced it with this clicky-thing..I'll have a friction thumbshifter for 
>>> the front and this index for the rear, this is a setup Riv offers. 
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/kljs-gl46sgg
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:57:13 PM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh hello new sister I will post pics. I just spoke with Will last 
>>> evening and secured myself the green. I’m so nervous and worried since I’ve 
>>> never ridden a Riv nor have I ever ridden a mixer ha ha. I’ve never had the 
>>> opportunity to select any parts of a bike before. This is so new I wondered 
>>> if I made a mistake and should cancel but I came across this group and 
>>> found your pics and got excited that this could be a real good thing. 
>>> I will sleep better tonight knowing there are 2 sets of braze-ons fir 
>>> water bottles. 
>>> More questions to follow.
>>> Thanks for connecting. 
>>> Kate from NJ
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2021, at 19:42, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Kate! A new #RivSister? Color me delighted! 
>>>
>>>
>>> You are going to LOVE your new Platy. Love. You can take it off on 
>>> trails or ride it on the road. You can haul things around with you, 
>>> commute, run errands, pedal aimlessly - it’s good for it all. I have a 
>>> Clem, too, and while it is very multidimensional, it is not as fast. The 
>>> Platy turns so easily and just feels perfect for me. It has the comfort of 
>>> long chainstays but is not as long as the Clem - it truly does not feel 
>>> like a long bike to me. The Platy is quick and light and I swear it will be 
>>> even more so in that gorgeous green. I really am so happy for you. You will 
>>> show us your bike and report back, won’t you?
>>>
>>> Braze-ons - YES! There are two water bottle mounts and I am picturing 
>>> them below. Mine have some other stuff blocking a great view, but they are 
>>> there. 
>>>
>>> Did I miss anything? Ask all the questions you want. I’m so happy to 
>>> share.
>>> #RivSisters,
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2021, at 4:02 PM, 'upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Tim Baldwin]

Patrick, I've ridden both. The Jones and MAP bar sweeps are pretty similar 
but the Jones needs a shorter stem. I went to the Jones for more width. I 
will say the MAP is a better looking bar and I know you don't want to spoil 
your beautiful Monocog with an ugly handlebar.

On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 11:50:43 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Tim; I considered the Jones bar but decided I'd like to try the 
> MAP or similar bar first.
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 9:14 AM Tim Baldwin  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I have a 660mm Jones bar I'd be willing to sell. Since you're 
>> putting on a single speed, there's plenty of room to trim down to taste. I 
>> never held the front taped area much but that's because I put it on a bike 
>> with too much reach. Otherwise they were pretty solid for commuting, dirt 
>> roads, and some mellow singletrack. Not sue I would sell for any less than 
>> you would pay for ordering new Ahearne Map bars though.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:53:41 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. I've been eyeing the Daija Far bar, only 44 cm at the hoods, but 
>>> I think I'll try the MAP or a similar bar first.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 9:42 PM Philip Williamson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Black 31.8 flared drops in either 52 or 58 at the ends. Hoods are much 
>>>> narrower. I like the 58. I got a 52 at a great price from Analog, and 
>>>> Candace said “you probably won’t like it if you’re over 5’2”. She was 
>>>> right, at least with the Ritchey Force stem on the RoadLite. I swapped for 
>>>> a 58 and put moustache bars on the Frances.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bike-components.de/en/NITTO/RM-3-SSB-31-8-Handlebars-p73417/#product-image-14
>>>>
>>>> https://analogcycles.com/product/nitto-super-flare-heat-treated-dirt-drops/
>>>> These used to be easier to find, and the silver 25.4 ones were harder 
>>>> to find. Times change.
>>>>
>>>> Philip
>>>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:58:29 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My Monocog (so much prettier than Leah's Platypus) is surprisingly 
>>>>> comfortable with the stock (at least, that's what I got with the bike as 
>>>>> second owner) mtb bar after I cut fully 8" off of it, but the shortening 
>>>>> also cut off the ends that curved backward, and now there is only a 
>>>>> minimal 
>>>>> rearward angle; I'd like more. Also, I'd like more positions, both a sit 
>>>>> up 
>>>>> and beg type position and a lower and narrower hard-surface cruising 
>>>>> position in addition to the sit-up-and-beg.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm 
>>>>> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog 
>>>>> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no 
>>>>> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, 
>>>>> I'd 
>>>>> have to change the levers.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Jones bar or flared drop or something else? I don't want a bar with 
>>>>> huge rearward sweep and, in fact, if I were to buy the Jones bar I looked 
>>>>> at, I'd amputate all but fistfulls from each end.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. If drop, which one? I'd like a flared drop for dirt and brush 
>>>>> control, but with slightly narrower hoods that are comfortable when 
>>>>> cruising on flat, hard ground, not hugely wide (of the 6 or 8 flared 
>>>>> drops 
>>>>> I tried over the years, from the original WTBs to the an On One bar of 
>>>>> some 
>>>>> sort that was far too wide, a 44 cm Salsa Bell Lap was the best, but that 
>>>>> was 10 years ago or more. I'd set this up higher and closer so that the 
>>>>> hooks are comfortable on (flat) singletrack, but the hoods comfortable 
>>>>> for 
>>>>> cruising with elbows bent, and the flats for situpandbeg.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Brake lever question: One advantage of the Jones is that I could 
>>>>> use the existing levers. But for a drop bar, another question: Has anyone 
>>>>> experience using cable *MOUNTAIN BIKE *discs with *NON-AERO ROAD* levers? 
>>>>> Those in question are an old pair of

Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Tim Baldwin]

Scratch that, pushed home Monday night. Decided to go to the shop to work 
on my new Susie during a blizzard. Went for a walk last night.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:49:30 AM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> Karl, check out ESI grips in aqua. I have some in the 6.75" length I'm 
> going to put on my Atlantis. Seems most shops, even online, only have the 
> long grips in black. If you order from ESI you can get them in colors.
>
> https://esigrips.com/product/xl-6-75-chunky/
>
> Also, nice looking fun machine. I'm due for a ride now that the roads are 
> clear here. Had to push my bike home from the shop on Tuesday night.
>
> On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 9:41:23 AM UTC-6 karl.fun...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Fun machine. Always so much happier when I take this instead of the car.
>> 11F in Kansas this morning, not too bad with a wool sweater and a rain 
>> jacket over top. (Duluth Trading Co makes some excellent outerwear, btw)
>>
>> [image: clem-snow-cropped.jpg]
>>
>> p.s. Very important to match your bike, pedals, and basket bag. Still 
>> looking for those blue-green grips.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 2:23:55 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Great; thanks, Jason. I just looked it up, and yes indeed, it does come 
>>> with a 31.8 clamp section in black; although this only in the longer 610 mm 
>>> length -- but I have a very good pipe cutter. 
>>>
>>> AT $60, this may well be the place to start, since I could use my 
>>> current stem and brake levers. 
>>>
>>> The Ahearne site describes it as close to the old Cinelli "Priest" or 
>>> "Pope" bar*, and I recall that Riv used to sell a version of this, because 
>>> (I also recall) I installed one, from Riv, on a mashup City Bike built I 
>>> did for my ex on a 49 cm Trek 400 Elance, long, long ago. (Fun fact: I got 
>>> a 114 mm -- 110?? -- OL AW wheel into the 126mm OL frame by laying the 
>>> frame on its side and kneeling on the right chainstay. As Clouseau said, 
>>> "And so the problem is solv-ed.")
>>>
>>>
>>> * So named, I guess, because Euro-Italian-French-Irish priests of the 
>>> old school like Don Camillo would ride sit-up-and-beg bicycles.
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 10:52 PM Jason Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patrick:  This is the Ahearne / MAP collaboration bar, which comes in 
>>>> 570mm and 610mm widths and this is the 610mm.  It's still on the narrow 
>>>> side, and until I put the Ergons on I found myself sometimes holding the 
>>>> ends as if it extended another 30 or 40mm per side, but with these Ergons 
>>>> (they are the backsweep-bar specific version) I am really liking the 
>>>> width. 
>>>> But the sweep amount is perfect, and the bar is more elegant looking than 
>>>> most or all of its competition. Wholehearted recommendation, provided 
>>>> you're not looking for off-roader width.
>>>>
>>>> - Jason 'I believe it's singular handlebar because that makes sense' 
>>>> Fuller 
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 9:14 PM Patrick Moore  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jason: Since I'm at least half-heartedly considering another "flat" 
>>>>> bar, but one with more sweep back, would you mind telling me what that 
>>>>> bar 
>>>>> is on your bicycle? And, question 2, how do you like it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick "does one say handlebar singular or handlebars plural, and if 
>>>>> so, why?" Moore
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 9:36 PM Jason Fuller  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Risking posting too much here but got out for 20 km today on ol' 
>>>>>> Bomby to tick over 1000 km on this bike since I got it from our friend 
>>>>>> Joe 
>>>>>> Bernard back in late October. I totally didn't need this bike and it's 
>>>>>> been 
>>>>>> a bit of a money pit of my own doing (new wheelset in excess of a grand 
>>>>>> incoming still!), but heck if it isn't an absolute joy to ride that gets 
>>>>>> me 
>>>>>> out the door in all kinds of terrible weather.  It's really, really 
>>>>>> dialed 
>>>>>> in now - after the new wheels (SON, White Ind, and Cliffhangers!) it's 
>

Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Tim Baldwin]

Karl, check out ESI grips in aqua. I have some in the 6.75" length I'm 
going to put on my Atlantis. Seems most shops, even online, only have the 
long grips in black. If you order from ESI you can get them in colors.

https://esigrips.com/product/xl-6-75-chunky/

Also, nice looking fun machine. I'm due for a ride now that the roads are 
clear here. Had to push my bike home from the shop on Tuesday night.

On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 9:41:23 AM UTC-6 karl.fun...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Fun machine. Always so much happier when I take this instead of the car.
> 11F in Kansas this morning, not too bad with a wool sweater and a rain 
> jacket over top. (Duluth Trading Co makes some excellent outerwear, btw)
>
> [image: clem-snow-cropped.jpg]
>
> p.s. Very important to match your bike, pedals, and basket bag. Still 
> looking for those blue-green grips.
>
> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 2:23:55 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Great; thanks, Jason. I just looked it up, and yes indeed, it does come 
>> with a 31.8 clamp section in black; although this only in the longer 610 mm 
>> length -- but I have a very good pipe cutter. 
>>
>> AT $60, this may well be the place to start, since I could use my current 
>> stem and brake levers. 
>>
>> The Ahearne site describes it as close to the old Cinelli "Priest" or 
>> "Pope" bar*, and I recall that Riv used to sell a version of this, because 
>> (I also recall) I installed one, from Riv, on a mashup City Bike built I 
>> did for my ex on a 49 cm Trek 400 Elance, long, long ago. (Fun fact: I got 
>> a 114 mm -- 110?? -- OL AW wheel into the 126mm OL frame by laying the 
>> frame on its side and kneeling on the right chainstay. As Clouseau said, 
>> "And so the problem is solv-ed.")
>>
>>
>> * So named, I guess, because Euro-Italian-French-Irish priests of the old 
>> school like Don Camillo would ride sit-up-and-beg bicycles.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 10:52 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick:  This is the Ahearne / MAP collaboration bar, which comes in 
>>> 570mm and 610mm widths and this is the 610mm.  It's still on the narrow 
>>> side, and until I put the Ergons on I found myself sometimes holding the 
>>> ends as if it extended another 30 or 40mm per side, but with these Ergons 
>>> (they are the backsweep-bar specific version) I am really liking the width. 
>>> But the sweep amount is perfect, and the bar is more elegant looking than 
>>> most or all of its competition. Wholehearted recommendation, provided 
>>> you're not looking for off-roader width.
>>>
>>> - Jason 'I believe it's singular handlebar because that makes sense' 
>>> Fuller 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 9:14 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Jason: Since I'm at least half-heartedly considering another "flat" 
 bar, but one with more sweep back, would you mind telling me what that bar 
 is on your bicycle? And, question 2, how do you like it?

 Patrick "does one say handlebar singular or handlebars plural, and if 
 so, why?" Moore

 On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 9:36 PM Jason Fuller  
 wrote:

> Risking posting too much here but got out for 20 km today on ol' Bomby 
> to tick over 1000 km on this bike since I got it from our friend Joe 
> Bernard back in late October. I totally didn't need this bike and it's 
> been 
> a bit of a money pit of my own doing (new wheelset in excess of a grand 
> incoming still!), but heck if it isn't an absolute joy to ride that gets 
> me 
> out the door in all kinds of terrible weather.  It's really, really 
> dialed 
> in now - after the new wheels (SON, White Ind, and Cliffhangers!) it's 
> exactly where I want it to be.  Thanks for the hookup on this one, Joe! 
>
> [image: PXL_20210216_014340640.jpg] 
>
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Re: [RBW] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Tim Baldwin]

Jason, you sure do have some great scenery in Vancouver. I enjoyed the ride 
shots from Feb. 12 and those snowy pictures are lovely. Your Bombadil fits 
right in out there. Vancouver is definitely on my list of places to visit 
when travel opens up again.

On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 7:49:21 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Takashi - you are quite right, I woke up today to 4 or 5 cm of fresh snow 
> on the ground, and ventured out after lunch.  I didn't plan on more than 5 
> or 6 km around the neighbourhood when I left the house, but ended up 
> crossing the bridge north and riding the same route!  I even got photos in 
> the same spots. Just beautiful and lovely to ride with the fresh, crunchy 
> snow. I'm sure it'll be an issue once we get a couple freeze cycles, but 
> today was glorious. Nearly 40km round trip, with about two-thirds of that 
> on trails. 
>
> I haven't gone through the tunnel but it parallels the trail so you can 
> poke your head in both ends - it's from the logging days long ago, though I 
> still find it quite curious!
>
> On Saturday, 13 February 2021 at 06:00:32 UTC-8 Takashi wrote:
>
>> Jason, the route looks very beautiful with lots of green, but I'm sure 
>> you'll have fun riding the same route covered with snow.
>> I'm curious about the small tunnel. Did you go through it?
>> Several years ago I came upon a similarly small tunnel; I went through it 
>> to find out that it lead to a rice paddy, so I assume it was a private path 
>> excavated by the owner of the rice paddy.
>> https://flic.kr/p/iTB6m4
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

[Tim Baldwin]

I like the new look. Great to see Leah's excellently appointed Platypus 
build up on the new news section. It would be nice if you could click on an 
image to expand it. I like being able to check out all the little details 
on people's bikes.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:00:43 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:

>
>
> Looking good.  Regarding the sub categories, which indeed can be helpful, 
> if you open the "3-bar" menu, you get the drop down major 
> categories--Parts, Gear, Garage Sale, etc. By clicking the "+" sign next to 
> a main category, you get subcategories--eg, under Parts, you get Bottom 
> Brackets, Brakes, Cassettes, Etc. If you click on brakes, you get the whole 
> shebang, blended together--calipers, levers, pads, cables--all intermingled 
> with willy and nilly.  BUT, if you click directly on the word "Parts" 
> instead of the "+", you get taken to the Catalog, which breaks down brakes 
> into: Brake types, brake hardware, etc. (The catalog also appears to the 
> right of the drop down main, but is cut off, at least on my laptop.) Would 
> there be a way for that click on Parts to bring you to exclusively that 
> "catalog style" menu JUST for parts? 
>
> Two sections that could use a further "+" or submenu IMO would be brakes 
> and handlebars. 
>
> It's not an easy task to develop a logical taxonomy for web site 
> navigation. Multiple pathways and redundancies are good, but can sometimes 
> be confusing when different pathways use different nomenclature, or when 
> it's not clear where exactly you are.  The ultimate is to have a visitor 
> who finds what they are seeking in two or three easy no-brainer clicks.
>
> I imagine some further refinement and tweaking could be a benefit. 
> Meanwhile, totally useable as is.
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:56:21 PM UTC-5 Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone, 
>>
>> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
>> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
>> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
>> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>>
>> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
>> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
>> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
>> to the homepage.
>>
>> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>>
>> Dave Schonenberg
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Tim Baldwin]

Adam, those are Big Ben Plus tires. Something with more tread would 
probably be better in the snow but I end up riding a lot of pavement here. 
They're a good compromise and very long lasting. I ride outside year round. 
If you have the right gear and attitude it's doable. I am getting a little 
tired of all the single digit mornings lately. We had a pretty mild winter 
up until the end of January. Hit me up if you're out here next winter and 
we can do some winter cruising.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:

> Tim: Glad to see these scenes from Chicago. I may end up there next winter 
> and am worried about being stuck on rollers for many months. What tires are 
> those?
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 2:49:00 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> I was able to leave work at lunch time today and take a nice snowy ride 
>> home. This is off a paved bike path that the city of Chicago seems 
>> unconcerned with keeping clear. Just north in Skokie they actually plow the 
>> path. I could take surface streets but the snow riding is pretty fun when 
>> you're not in a hurry.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 12:16:22 AM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> Riding on Pinehurst always put a smile on my face.  Here Prefumo Cyn Rd 
>>> to Avila is pretty close, sans redwoods.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 3:13:05 PM UTC-8 Kurt Manley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today's rainy ride on Pinehurst Rd. in the tiny town of Canyon, CA. 
>>>> Just over the hill from Oakland. A roadie hollered "you're crazy!" as he 
>>>> whizzed by, I guess bc I was on my Hunq with its fat tires? I thought he 
>>>> was crazy, no fenders and tiny lil tires.
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Tim Baldwin]

Nice ride Joe! That gives me an idea of how the proportions of mine will 
look. I briefly tried 155 cranks but they felt strange and didn't last 
long. I used to ride 170 but but have been riding 165s for the past couple 
years. I have some of the Silver two piece cranks in 167 for the Susie. 
Wonder if I'll be able to feel the difference. I can feel it going from 165 
to 170. If Riv was set on doing odd sizes, I kind of wish they'd gone 163.

The look took a little while to grow on me but now I love the swoop. 
Looking forward to more stand over clearance when riding in snow or off 
road.   
On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 4:07:03 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is exactly my measurements and setup. I show a little more post 
> because I use short (152) cranks, but I have those Boscos WAY up there. I 
> can't emphasize enough what a great bike this is, which is funny because I 
> wasn't into them at *all *from looking at pictures. 
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 1:40:24 PM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> Ash, my PBH is 80cm. I like my saddle a little lower than Grant's 
>> recommendation. I won't have much seatpost showing on the 53 but I like 
>> that look and it's easier to get the bars higher.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 3:18:37 PM UTC-6 Ashwath Akirekadu 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Congrats Tim!  
>>>
>>> Curious what's your PBH.. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 10 February 2021 at 18:22:33 UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well after seeing all these great builds, I decided to pull the trigger 
>>>> on a Susie frame this week. It was down to a blue 51 and an orange 53 
>>>> since 
>>>> I could fit either one. I went with the orange seeing as I have the blue 
>>>> (well blue-green) covered with an Atlantis. Excited to build this bike up!
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 12:06:07 PM UTC-6 Ashwath Akirekadu 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>
>>>>> As for seat post, I picked up a NOS Shimano black one on eBay.   
>>>>>  Thanks to Analog, I even got a powder coated black Mark's rack.  Haven't 
>>>>> had a chance to mount it yet.  Will post pictures once that's attached.   
>>>>> I 
>>>>> replaced the Bosco with Nitto B604AAF Promenade black from Soma.  So, 
>>>>> other 
>>>>> than the front derailleur, there's no noticeable chrome part.   There 
>>>>> doesn't seem to be any good FDs in black color out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ash
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 09:44:03 UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Great looking build, Ash. What black seat post are you planning to 
>>>>>> use? All black components but keeping the brown saddle would look pretty 
>>>>>> awesome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The swoop top tube is actually a big plus for me. In addition to 
>>>>>> being functional, that graceful line complements the fillet-brazed 
>>>>>> construction. It give the bicycles a distinctive character.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Paul Canti Levers

[Tim Baldwin]

Joe, that is a very rad option. Looking forward to seeing those watermelon 
brakes setup. Now you got me thinking about another color option: put some 
Newbaums tape on the silver levers. Then I could rotate the colors. So many 
options these days.

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 3:38:44 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> One option to consider will take a while but could be big fun and 
> something you weren't aware of: Analog Cycles can anodize Paul stuff just 
> about any color you can imagine. I have levers, Motolites and some other 
> bits on order for my RBW Blue Susie/Wolbis..it's going to be a "watermelon 
> mix", light lime green and deep-almost-red pink. Not cheap but so rad! 
>
> Joe "rad guy" Bernard
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 1:18:10 PM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>>
>> Paul is out of stock at the moment. I'm ordering purple touring cantis 
>> for my orange Susie and was going to get matching levers. Seeing if anyone 
>> has any fun colored Paul levers they're not using. I did find a pair in 
>> silver at Ben's cycle so I may just go that route.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim B in Chicago
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Tim Baldwin]

Ash, my PBH is 80cm. I like my saddle a little lower than Grant's 
recommendation. I won't have much seatpost showing on the 53 but I like 
that look and it's easier to get the bars higher.

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 3:18:37 PM UTC-6 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:

>
> Congrats Tim!  
>
> Curious what's your PBH.. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, 10 February 2021 at 18:22:33 UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> Well after seeing all these great builds, I decided to pull the trigger 
>> on a Susie frame this week. It was down to a blue 51 and an orange 53 since 
>> I could fit either one. I went with the orange seeing as I have the blue 
>> (well blue-green) covered with an Atlantis. Excited to build this bike up!
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 12:06:07 PM UTC-6 Ashwath Akirekadu 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> As for seat post, I picked up a NOS Shimano black one on eBay.Thanks 
>>> to Analog, I even got a powder coated black Mark's rack.  Haven't had a 
>>> chance to mount it yet.  Will post pictures once that's attached.   I 
>>> replaced the Bosco with Nitto B604AAF Promenade black from Soma.  So, other 
>>> than the front derailleur, there's no noticeable chrome part.   There 
>>> doesn't seem to be any good FDs in black color out there.
>>>
>>> Ash
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 09:44:03 UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great looking build, Ash. What black seat post are you planning to use? 
>>>> All black components but keeping the brown saddle would look pretty 
>>>> awesome.
>>>>
>>>> The swoop top tube is actually a big plus for me. In addition to being 
>>>> functional, that graceful line complements the fillet-brazed construction. 
>>>> It give the bicycles a distinctive character.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] WTB Paul Canti Levers

[Tim Baldwin]

Paul is out of stock at the moment. I'm ordering purple touring cantis for 
my orange Susie and was going to get matching levers. Seeing if anyone has 
any fun colored Paul levers they're not using. I did find a pair in silver 
at Ben's cycle so I may just go that route.

Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Tim Baldwin]

Thanks Jared. I really like the looks of your setup with the Tosco bars. I 
have Persuader bars on my Atlantis and I really like them on there. I think 
they would be quite a stretch on the Susie unless using a very short stem. 
I do miss having a swept back bar bike so that's what lead me to the Susie.

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 2:05:52 AM UTC-6 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congrats Tim, you're gonna love her!
>
> I'd have gone orange if I could've, looking forward to seeing your build.
>
> Jared
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:22:33 PM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> Well after seeing all these great builds, I decided to pull the trigger 
>> on a Susie frame this week. It was down to a blue 51 and an orange 53 since 
>> I could fit either one. I went with the orange seeing as I have the blue 
>> (well blue-green) covered with an Atlantis. Excited to build this bike up!
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 12:06:07 PM UTC-6 Ashwath Akirekadu 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> As for seat post, I picked up a NOS Shimano black one on eBay.Thanks 
>>> to Analog, I even got a powder coated black Mark's rack.  Haven't had a 
>>> chance to mount it yet.  Will post pictures once that's attached.   I 
>>> replaced the Bosco with Nitto B604AAF Promenade black from Soma.  So, other 
>>> than the front derailleur, there's no noticeable chrome part.   There 
>>> doesn't seem to be any good FDs in black color out there.
>>>
>>> Ash
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 09:44:03 UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great looking build, Ash. What black seat post are you planning to use? 
>>>> All black components but keeping the brown saddle would look pretty 
>>>> awesome.
>>>>
>>>> The swoop top tube is actually a big plus for me. In addition to being 
>>>> functional, that graceful line complements the fillet-brazed construction. 
>>>> It give the bicycles a distinctive character.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Tim Baldwin]

Well after seeing all these great builds, I decided to pull the trigger on 
a Susie frame this week. It was down to a blue 51 and an orange 53 since I 
could fit either one. I went with the orange seeing as I have the blue 
(well blue-green) covered with an Atlantis. Excited to build this bike up!

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 12:06:07 PM UTC-6 Ashwath Akirekadu 
wrote:

> Mark,
>
> As for seat post, I picked up a NOS Shimano black one on eBay.Thanks 
> to Analog, I even got a powder coated black Mark's rack.  Haven't had a 
> chance to mount it yet.  Will post pictures once that's attached.   I 
> replaced the Bosco with Nitto B604AAF Promenade black from Soma.  So, other 
> than the front derailleur, there's no noticeable chrome part.   There 
> doesn't seem to be any good FDs in black color out there.
>
> Ash
>
> On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 09:44:03 UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Great looking build, Ash. What black seat post are you planning to use? 
>> All black components but keeping the brown saddle would look pretty awesome.
>>
>> The swoop top tube is actually a big plus for me. In addition to being 
>> functional, that graceful line complements the fillet-brazed construction. 
>> It give the bicycles a distinctive character.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: mounting sunrace shifter on stem

[Tim Baldwin]

I don't ride drops but I'm a fan of the stem mounted front shifter. I have 
a thumb shifter on the right and a bell where the left shifter would go. I 
use the bell more than the front shifter. Joe, the bar end mirror is a 
great idea for the left side. Gotta have a mirror. 

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:36:53 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> To me it makes sense on a drop bar if you want to get rid of one leg-poker 
> and a long loop of cable from a shifter you hardly use. It also frees up 
> that spot on the bat for a small mirror, I never ride without one. Move 
> that shifter outta your way! 
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:15:14 AM UTC-8 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the response! Yes, must have been a Will email.
>>
>> I'm building up a Sam, with drop bars. I know I'll almost never shift to 
>> the small derailer as the chainrings are 38 and 24. I was trying to figure 
>> out if there's a benefit to the stem mounted front-derailer shifter and 
>> drop bars. I suppose the primary benefit is freeing up handlebar space on 
>> say, an albatross bar. I wonder if it makes sense to go this route with 
>> drop bars? Any thoughts? The novelty alone appeals to me, but novelty is 
>> not enough if it's otherwise pointless.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 2:14:35 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Freakin' typos. *It'll be a slog to look for. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 12:13:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Jim, I'm pretty sure that was in the weekly Riv email Will writes, it 
 was on a Will bike. It'll be a slot to look for because the shifter trick 
 probably isn't in the title, but you might find it by searching the 
 Rivbike 
 address in your email. 

 Or just try it! I have one of those SunRace shifters on my Susie and it 
 looks like it would slide right on the quill stem, easy peasy. 

 On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 11:24:36 AM UTC-8 Jim S. wrote:

> Hi, I was wondering if someone can direct me to a link. I don't know 
> if I read it on the Blahg, or the Blug, but it discussed mounting the 
> Sunrace left shifter on the stem to shift the front derailer. If anyone 
> knows where it is and could direct me, many thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Tim Baldwin]

Yes more pictures please Andrew. I'd especially like another shot of the 
handlebars. Those are exactly what I've been dreaming about lately. I'm 
trying the Persuader bars on my Atlantis. After going that wide, the swept 
Riv bars seem so narrow. I'd love a wide version of the Albatross or 
Billie. The Susie seems like the perfect bike for those bars as my Atlantis 
feels cramped with swept backs.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 3:42:30 AM UTC-6 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Killer build Andrew
>
> We'd love to see some updated pictures if you've got any
>
> Jared
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:21:39 PM UTC-8 Andrew Stevens wrote:
>
>> Sam, the MBs were 90s mtbs, more similar to an Atlantis than a Susie. The 
>> Susie has a much more upright position, and a radically longer top tube 
>> (70cm on the XL, with a 59cm seat tube.) The design of early mountain 
>> bikes, and most race designed bikes regardless of generation, is to spread 
>> your center of gravity more evenly between the hbars and seat in order to 
>> reduce drag. None of these principles apply to the Susie, which is designed 
>> to have most of the weight on the saddle, further back and over the rear 
>> stays, for the purpose of comfort. 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 4:19:10 PM UTC-6 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>>
>>> Sam- The Susie is completely different from a stock MB2. Susie has 
>>> higher bars for a more upright position centered over your feet, wider 
>>> tires, and a longer wheelbase. I found the Susie much more comfortable and 
>>> confidence inspiring on rough terrain. I sold my 1992 MB2 and bought an 
>>> Atlantis- no regrets.
>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 7:16:36 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>>>
 How does the susie compare to an mb2 I have an mb1 and assume it is the 
 same geometry. Had to use a short stem for drips and just picked up some 
 albatross bars to experiment.

 On Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 1:24 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:

> Got mine set up a couple weeks back with Tumbleweed Persuader bars. 
>
> Bike is looonnnggg, but still feels nimble enough on single track, not 
> to mention smooth! I find she likes to self steer towards rougher terrain 
> just to see what happens ;)
>
> I came from a Bridgestone MB2 and I'm very happy with how the Susie 
> handles in comparison, I'm left wanting nothing more than to put down 
> more 
> miles.
>
> Jared in Santa Cruz
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:55:10 AM UTC-8 benjami...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, my first post here!
>>
>> I am close to pulling the trigger on a Susie, but am not finding many 
>> descriptions of how it rides, handles, etc.  What should I expect?  How 
>> is 
>> the acceleration?  I am looking for something for 50% single track and 
>> 50% 
>> gravel roads, and an occasional short bikepacking trip.  I ride a rigid 
>> MTB 
>> currently so the lack of front suspension won't be a shock (get it?), 
>> but 
>> still am looking to smooth out some of the bumps.  How is it to ride 
>> with 
>> swept back bars on technical single track? 
>>
>> Thanks a lot for the thoughts!!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Tim Baldwin]

Mark, that is one sweet Susie. Great colors and looks like a fun ride. I 
wish Riv would sell out of the small Susies so I can stop being tempted. 
I've gotten down to just two bikes, an Atlantis and a Troll. I've barely 
ridden the Troll since getting the Atlantis. Most of my riding is pavement 
(including plenty of rough roads) but I look for dirt whenever I can. I 
could sell the Troll and replace with a Susie but I don't have much hilly 
bike territory here. And the wheels wouldn't transfer so that would be a 
pricey swap. I am surprised all the frames haven't been snatched up. My 
birthday is in a month, if they still have frames I may have a nice 
expensive present for myself.

Tim B in Chicago

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 5:53:30 PM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:

> [image: IMG_20201101_075437064(1).jpg]
> Oops, accidentally posted and then deleted the post, which was a little on 
> the bizarre side anyway and I don't have time to recreate it, time to make 
> dinner. The crank is a vintage Kooka: 
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Wow! Bitchin’ bike.
>> Love the BMX stem. What crank is this? 
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2021, at 14:48, Mark Roland  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Went for  a lunchtime WFH ride to the hardware store today.
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:00 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:
>>>
 Clearly I'm biased, but I can't imagine any bike riding better on 50% 
 gravel/singletrack.  Suzie is amazing.
 I'm new to "mountain" biking but she inspires a lot of confidence, even 
 in quick descents on rough terrain.  Totally smooth, responsive, buttery.
 Before I got knobbies, I ran 55mm slicks and rode mostly roads and it 
 was awesome in that application as well.
 Hope this is helpful.
 paul
 takoma park, md.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 9 Speed Cassette Availability

[Tim Baldwin]

Steve, I agree starting cassettes with a 12 tooth cog makes more sense for 
most riders.
Aeroperf and Paul, thanks for that feedback. It wasn't my intention to 
knock Alivio.I swapped the Deore brakes on my Atlantis for Paul Motolites 
with Paul levers over the summer. I would say that was a definite upgrade 
in terms of feel and performance. I was curious if going high end on 
cassette would make a similar difference in terms of feel/performance. It 
sounds like spending money on the rear derailleur would make more of a 
difference. The pricier cassette would only be lighter. 
Laing, it sounds like this is more of a problem with parts being harder to 
get after a booming year. Like I said I was only basing this on my LBS, who 
in past years was able to get most any part within a day or two, saying 
many 9 speed cassettes (including the 12-36) were back-ordered.
Joe, the Analog has some very tempting stuff. Not sure if I could get 
myself to spend that much on a cassette and then ride it through winter!

Tim B in Chicago
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:08:09 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Don't even play, get yerself a 12-speed Garbaruk cassette from Analog for 
> about $250. It comes in colors! 
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:52:53 PM UTC-8 Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> In general the fancier cassettes are primarily lighter, usually by using 
>> multi-cog carriers, while SRAM's highest-end cassettes are almost entirely 
>> one-piece affairs. The difference in weight can be substantial, almost 
>> 1/2lb going from a 11-36t SRAM 1050>1090 (10spd), but the $/gram cost gets 
>> high, and the weight saved compared to the overall weight of a loaded 
>> touring bike + rider is pretty insubstantial.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 5:50:49 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> Lots of options for 12-36 9-speed on eBay.  I think the main difference 
>>> in quality and price has to do with weight.  Lower 'quality' cassette is 
>>> going to weigh more.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=12%2036%20Cassette%209=1=1=711-156598-662049-2=2=12%2036%20cassette%209=473230128454__ID=_id==kwd-301632702719==c==9031172==9110001=11204157517==112375772800=g=p=Cj0KCQiAmL-ABhDFARIsAKywVaf1sHfO0IWrIYCFiNSAxz56TKp9WSp0ixiZDk38-pRhRPnZMgJBrbMaAh5XEALw_wcB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:19:18 PM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>>>
 There is also IRD, who makes a 12-30 and a12-34 9 speed. and a 13-38 8 
 speed for that matter.

 Note that I just built a bike with a brand new Shimano 14-34 7 speed 
 FREEWHEEL (Shimano actually just issued an updated model within the last 
 year) with a twist grip indexing a Shimano Altus M310 derailleur. Parts 
 obsolescence is not as much of a worry as some think. But I do of course 
 have a brand new in the box 12-36 Shimano 9 speed just in case

 Laing

 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 5:03:26 PM UTC-5 Steve Palincsar wrote:

> For most road drivetrains (i.e., not 26" wheels, and not tiny 
> microdrive chain rings) 12 is a better 1st position than 11 (because it's 
> not as unreasonably high) and in the case of the 12-36, it can easily be 
> customized into a 13-36 simply by replacing the 1st position sprocket 
> (and 
> for most road drive trains with 48T chain rings or larger, a 13T 1st 
> position gives you a more usable top gear than a 12, and at the very top 
> end a 1 tooth gap is nicer than a 2 tooth gap).  In my opinion.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: 9 Speed Cassette Availability

[Tim Baldwin]

Steve, thanks for the links. I guess I meant hard to find in that I went to 
my LBS who did not have any in stock and could not find any currently 
available through distributors. I figure this low supply is due to the 
surge in sales last year but curious if it could be the beginning of the 
industry phasing out of 9 and lower speed parts moving forward. I'm fine 
ordering some things online (mostly through Riv or other small 
manufacturers that sell directly) but I do prefer supporting local shops.

I could also swap chain rings but the crankset is new and my current 
cassette is older. Seems easier to swap the cassette. And I'm quite happy 
with the current steps in my gearing.

Laing, I could fit 11 speed on my new wheel I'm building with a new model 
MI5 hub. I have used (and still have in my bin) a SRAM NX 11 speed 
cassette/derailleur before. I found the gear range lacking as it is 1x 
only. I also tried the Microshift Advent 9 speed. That one I did not like 
steps between gears as much. I guess after trying some of the newer stuff, 
I'm having trouble seeing the appeal. I can get the gear range I'm looking 
for with a 2x9. The 1x systems seem to either give up range or are 
ridiculously expensive. There's also something about 9 speed looking 
"right" to me on a Rivendell.

My main concern is getting parts in the future. I helped out at my LBS over 
the summer because they were so busy. This will most likely be another busy 
year for bike shops. I think I'll order a handful of cassettes to tide me 
over for a while. I hope that as manufacturers catch up with resupplying 
parts they continue to make "outdated" 9, 8 and 7 speed stuff. There are 
certainly a greater number of options for cassettes when going to 10 and 
above.

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:39:29 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> Note that new Shimano 11-speed mountain cassettes fit on old 9-speed 
> Shimano style hubs - the 11 speed is only 0.05mm wider than the 9-speed. I 
> just put a 12-46 (I used a Shimano 12 tooth 1st position cog in place of 
> the 11 tooth cog) 11-speed cassette on my old Phil Wood 9-speed touring hub 
> for my Gus Boots Willsen. Fits beautifully - chain even clears the 29x2.5 
> tire by 4mm. The inner large cogs kind of cantilever over the hub flange
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:12:51 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm currently looking for 9 speed cassettes for my Atlantis. I'm hoping 
>> to be able to do a tour this year after staying local in 2020. With touring 
>> in mind, I'd like 12-36 but it seems those are rather hard to find right 
>> now. I currently have 11-32, but I'm riding in flat Chicago. The 12-36 
>> would give me the same ratios for my normal riding but get rid of the 11t, 
>> which I don't use, and would give me a 36t, which I foresee using on my 
>> trip. With the VO 46/30 crank I'm using, this gives me a range of 21 to 100 
>> gear inches, which seems perfect to me. After seeing the high demand for 
>> bike parts in 2020, what do Riv riders predict for future availability of 9 
>> speed parts? I found someone with a stash of 12-36 9 speed cassettes for 
>> sale on ebay, do I stock up now?
>>
>> Also, how much does cassette price/quality make a difference? I've mostly 
>> used cheaper cassettes but wondering if would make sense to go up to 10 
>> speed to take advantage of fancier cassettes. The cassette on ebay I 
>> mentioned is Alivio so on the lower end of the spectrum. I'm using a 
>> Suntour thumb shifter in friction so I think I could make 10 speed work. 
>> However there's something about the ease of setup and maintenance of 9 
>> speed shifting that makes me want to stay in that world.
>>
>> Tim B in Chicago
>>
>

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[RBW] 9 Speed Cassette Availability

[Tim Baldwin]

I'm currently looking for 9 speed cassettes for my Atlantis. I'm hoping to 
be able to do a tour this year after staying local in 2020. With touring in 
mind, I'd like 12-36 but it seems those are rather hard to find right now. 
I currently have 11-32, but I'm riding in flat Chicago. The 12-36 would 
give me the same ratios for my normal riding but get rid of the 11t, which 
I don't use, and would give me a 36t, which I foresee using on my trip. 
With the VO 46/30 crank I'm using, this gives me a range of 21 to 100 gear 
inches, which seems perfect to me. After seeing the high demand for bike 
parts in 2020, what do Riv riders predict for future availability of 9 
speed parts? I found someone with a stash of 12-36 9 speed cassettes for 
sale on ebay, do I stock up now?

Also, how much does cassette price/quality make a difference? I've mostly 
used cheaper cassettes but wondering if would make sense to go up to 10 
speed to take advantage of fancier cassettes. The cassette on ebay I 
mentioned is Alivio so on the lower end of the spectrum. I'm using a 
Suntour thumb shifter in friction so I think I could make 10 speed work. 
However there's something about the ease of setup and maintenance of 9 
speed shifting that makes me want to stay in that world.

Tim B in Chicago

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[RBW] Re: advice on 26x2.0 tires

[Tim Baldwin]

Another vote for Big Bens. I have the plus version since I ride areas with 
a lot of broken glass, potholes and debris. Smooth on pavement and does 
well on dirt and limestone trails.

On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 7:03:56 PM UTC-5, jandrews wrote:
>
> Greetings Bunch
>
> I'm looking for some new commuting / touring / gravelish tires for my 
> wife's Bruce Gordon BLT.
>
> She currently has the older Compass tires that had the pasela looking 
> tread.  They are 26x1.75
>
> [image: compass26x1-75.jpg]
>
>
> We've recently had the bike overhauled a little after about 10 years of 
> pretty hard use and the existing stainless steel fenders will allow some 
> slightly bigger rubber.
>
> She's starting to commute to work which is on a farm.  It's about a 6 mile 
> commute and there is about a mile and and a half of pretty large gravel.
>
> Any suggestions on a nice riding, somewhat supple, somewhat protective 
> tire (for Tubes) that would fit the bill.  something in 26x2.0 or 2.1 max 
> that is also not going to break the bank?
>
> She commutes and we do a couple of week long tours per year.  Ride plenty 
> of gravel and hard pack.  Not much mud.
>
> Thanks 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: fs: 50cm rivendell cheviot - orange - $2000

[Tim Baldwin]

Is this bike still for sale? My friend is looking for a Chev for his wife. 
Might be able to pick up depending on where in Michigan. We're in Chicago.

On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Igor wrote:
>
> better photo
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/pWQrr7ra54kbiWNs6
> no rack or basket
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! 50cm MIT Atlantis

[Tim Baldwin]

I think you'd have a tough time making an ugly Atlantis. They're beautiful 
bikes!

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Tim Baldwin]

Close enough! That's too nice of a chain to toss for color coordinatation.

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Tim Baldwin]

Will the Microshift drivetrain give you a black cassette and chain? Then you 
could have a sweet stealth drive train.

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! 50cm MIT Atlantis

[Tim Baldwin]

Roberta, after a few days I can certainly say this is the best feeling bike 
I've ridden.

Kai, I may remove the skateboard rack as it won't fit my current 10" board 
that I'm riding and have to strap it on the basket, which works fine too. 
I've thought about going smaller again but the big board is a lot of fun.
 
Joe, I was planning on doing all black after seeing pics of yours but I 
ended up mixing in some silver and now I'm liking the yin yang look of the 
black/silver combo.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 1:24:01 PM UTC-5, Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
> The frame arrived last Monday, I finished the build on Friday, and added 
> the racks on Saturday. This is my first Riv after years of wanting one. I 
> wasn't sure if the ride would live up to the hype but I'm loving it so far. 
> So stable and yet feels quick. After seeing Will's 2 speed setup I really 
> wanted to try it out. I'm in Chicago so it's flat but we do get some good 
> headwinds. So far I'm really digging it.
>
> The picture is after my first commute yesterday. I'll try and stop on the 
> way home today and get some outdoor pics. I think I'm going to take off the 
> rear rack and get one of the new Bag Boy saddle bags. I think that with the 
> medium basket bag will work great for commuting. I'll also get a lighter 
> front rack. Right now the bike is a bit heavy to carry up/down stairs so it 
> would be nice to lighten it up a bit. Don't really feel the weight riding 
> though. I got the water bottle cage behind the seat tube now, but I talked 
> to a guy at my shop who's into making bags and we talked about doing one 
> between rear tire and seat tube. Seems a perfect use for the space. I still 
> need to figure out fenders. Not enough room under the fork crown with these 
> Big Ben Plus tires but I really like the ride and flat proofness of them. 
> I'll probably end up splitting the front fender so I can continue using the 
> nice fat tires.
>
> I ride 10 miles each way to work and I'm enjoying the ride more than ever. 
> I had the same tires and Bosco bars on a Troll before this but the Atlantis 
> feels like riding on a cloud compared to my previous setup. The Deore 
> v-brakes feel better than the BB7 discs, which was a pleasant surprise. 
> Overall, I'm very happy with this bike.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day! 50cm MIT Atlantis

[Tim Baldwin]

Thanks Edgar. I'm still playing around with saddle positioning hence the 
tool roll strapped on the rack instead of attached to saddle rails. I 
measured saddle height at 68cm last night, which I lowered a little (maybe 
1cm) since the picture. My pbh is around 80cm.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 5:06:03 PM UTC-5, ed wrote:
>
> Very nice bulid Tim!
> What is your pbh and the distance between the center of the crank to the 
> top of your saddle?
> Edgar
>
> On 17 Apr 2019, at 4:05 AM, Tim Baldwin > 
> wrote:
>
> Tom, I was planning on keeping the Troll and putting 2.8s on for winter 
> riding but that Gus is tempting. Luckily not owning a car anymore helps in 
> the money department.
>
> Collin, I've long been a bike tinkerer. So much so that my LBS is now 
> offering me fill in shifts. The ride is definitely top rate.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 2:50:24 PM UTC-5, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> Looks like a bomber commuter! And isn't it funny that even though you've 
>> had the bike for about a week you're already going through iterations and 
>> tinkering? It's probably my favorite part about Rivs, second only to the 
>> ride.
>>
>> Enjoy the new bike and ride the heck out of it!
>>
>> Collin
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 11:24:01 AM UTC-7, Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>> The frame arrived last Monday, I finished the build on Friday, and added 
>>> the racks on Saturday. This is my first Riv after years of wanting one. I 
>>> wasn't sure if the ride would live up to the hype but I'm loving it so far. 
>>> So stable and yet feels quick. After seeing Will's 2 speed setup I really 
>>> wanted to try it out. I'm in Chicago so it's flat but we do get some good 
>>> headwinds. So far I'm really digging it.
>>>
>>> The picture is after my first commute yesterday. I'll try and stop on 
>>> the way home today and get some outdoor pics. I think I'm going to take off 
>>> the rear rack and get one of the new Bag Boy saddle bags. I think that with 
>>> the medium basket bag will work great for commuting. I'll also get a 
>>> lighter front rack. Right now the bike is a bit heavy to carry up/down 
>>> stairs so it would be nice to lighten it up a bit. Don't really feel the 
>>> weight riding though. I got the water bottle cage behind the seat tube now, 
>>> but I talked to a guy at my shop who's into making bags and we talked about 
>>> doing one between rear tire and seat tube. Seems a perfect use for the 
>>> space. I still need to figure out fenders. Not enough room under the fork 
>>> crown with these Big Ben Plus tires but I really like the ride and flat 
>>> proofness of them. I'll probably end up splitting the front fender so I can 
>>> continue using the nice fat tires.
>>>
>>> I ride 10 miles each way to work and I'm enjoying the ride more than 
>>> ever. I had the same tires and Bosco bars on a Troll before this but the 
>>> Atlantis feels like riding on a cloud compared to my previous setup. The 
>>> Deore v-brakes feel better than the BB7 discs, which was a pleasant 
>>> surprise. Overall, I'm very happy with this bike.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! 50cm MIT Atlantis

[Tim Baldwin]

Tom, I was planning on keeping the Troll and putting 2.8s on for winter 
riding but that Gus is tempting. Luckily not owning a car anymore helps in 
the money department.

Collin, I've long been a bike tinkerer. So much so that my LBS is now 
offering me fill in shifts. The ride is definitely top rate.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 2:50:24 PM UTC-5, Collin A wrote:
>
> Looks like a bomber commuter! And isn't it funny that even though you've 
> had the bike for about a week you're already going through iterations and 
> tinkering? It's probably my favorite part about Rivs, second only to the 
> ride.
>
> Enjoy the new bike and ride the heck out of it!
>
> Collin
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 11:24:01 AM UTC-7, Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>> The frame arrived last Monday, I finished the build on Friday, and added 
>> the racks on Saturday. This is my first Riv after years of wanting one. I 
>> wasn't sure if the ride would live up to the hype but I'm loving it so far. 
>> So stable and yet feels quick. After seeing Will's 2 speed setup I really 
>> wanted to try it out. I'm in Chicago so it's flat but we do get some good 
>> headwinds. So far I'm really digging it.
>>
>> The picture is after my first commute yesterday. I'll try and stop on the 
>> way home today and get some outdoor pics. I think I'm going to take off the 
>> rear rack and get one of the new Bag Boy saddle bags. I think that with the 
>> medium basket bag will work great for commuting. I'll also get a lighter 
>> front rack. Right now the bike is a bit heavy to carry up/down stairs so it 
>> would be nice to lighten it up a bit. Don't really feel the weight riding 
>> though. I got the water bottle cage behind the seat tube now, but I talked 
>> to a guy at my shop who's into making bags and we talked about doing one 
>> between rear tire and seat tube. Seems a perfect use for the space. I still 
>> need to figure out fenders. Not enough room under the fork crown with these 
>> Big Ben Plus tires but I really like the ride and flat proofness of them. 
>> I'll probably end up splitting the front fender so I can continue using the 
>> nice fat tires.
>>
>> I ride 10 miles each way to work and I'm enjoying the ride more than 
>> ever. I had the same tires and Bosco bars on a Troll before this but the 
>> Atlantis feels like riding on a cloud compared to my previous setup. The 
>> Deore v-brakes feel better than the BB7 discs, which was a pleasant 
>> surprise. Overall, I'm very happy with this bike.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Big Bottle and Cage Recommendations

[Tim Baldwin]

I use the VO Mojave cage with a 40 oz. Kleen Kanteen on a daily basis. 
Works great. Jandd stem bags also fit 40 oz bottles perfectly and have some 
insulation. I've used the 64 oz. bottles with a King cage but only on 
tours. The straps take too much fiddling for easy on/off. I liked the idea 
of big 64 oz bottles but in practice I like the 40 oz ones much better. You 
could put two by the stem, one on the down tube, one on seat tube and one 
under the down tube. That's 200 oz of water! I'm thinking of doing 
something along these lines for my next trip.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 12:32:38 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>
> DP, 
> I fear you may be looking for unobtainium. 
> I think all the 64oz containers out there are too large diameter for even 
> oversized bottle cages like the VO Mojave. Largest one I have used is the 
> hydroflask 40oz widemouth insulated bottle, which works great with the VO 
> cage on the seat tube of my 56 AHH. 
> For 64oz I think you’ll need the more general stuff holding strap stuff on 
> sort of “cages” 
> Have you considered water bags like the dromedary? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Tim Baldwin]

Those Pass and Stow racks are sweet. I think I overlooked because of the 
price. But I use my rack just about everyday so I might as well get exactly 
what I want. Just saw that he's now offering the anything cage mounts on 
the legs. 
I'm curious what kind of weight limit there will be on the Riv basket rack. 
That will be my deciding factor.

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 12:06:29 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>
> I’m pretty set on the upcoming riv rack. That said, pass and stow rack is 
> excellent for what you describe. I just sold mine because I don’t ever put 
> more than a few pounds up front, but if I did, I’d want that rack. Super 
> sturdy but not gigantic, can take a pannier, internal wiring and 
> excellently placed light mount. 

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Tim Baldwin]

Thanks for the input guys. I was leaning towards waiting for the new Riv 
rack. I think I was just getting antsy waiting for the bike to arrive and 
wanted to have everything ready when it comes. I'll throw what I have on 
there for now just to get riding. Frame should arrive Monday. Can't wait!

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 11:51:55 PM UTC-5, Howard Ramsay wrote:
>
> GP wrote about having direct input with NTTO regarding racks and baskets 
> for Rivbikes. When you read about the new racks on the Blahg and see the 
> final product photographs you will be able to make a truly informed 
> decision. A little time spent waiting on product development will 
> undoubtedly save you money and time. You want the best, forget the rest.
>
> On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 11:12:48 PM UTC-5, Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>> I finally decided to pull the trigger and am awaiting the delivery of a 
>> new Atlantis! I'm transferring most of the parts from other bikes but still 
>> debating on the front rack. I'm currently using a Surly 24 pack rack and 
>> just strapping a big Sackville basket bag on there. That rack won't 
>> transfer to the Atlantis due to the fork crown mounts. I'd like to mount 
>> one of the big Wald baskets on a rack for this bike. I would also like it 
>> to have a mount for my dynamo light. Currently debating between a Soma 
>> porteur rack, demiporteur (Soma or Rawland), or waiting for the new Riv 
>> rack. I talked to Will on the phone when ordering and he said the new 
>> basket rack should be coming in a month or two. So do I wait for that one 
>> or try one of these in the meantime? I also have one of the big Surly front 
>> racks but it's heavy and I rarely use front panniers. What racks are other 
>> people using with the big baskets? I'd like to be able to carry around 20 
>> lbs. Not any everyday thing but it does happen.
>>
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[RBW] Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Tim Baldwin]

I finally decided to pull the trigger and am awaiting the delivery of a new 
Atlantis! I'm transferring most of the parts from other bikes but still 
debating on the front rack. I'm currently using a Surly 24 pack rack and 
just strapping a big Sackville basket bag on there. That rack won't 
transfer to the Atlantis due to the fork crown mounts. I'd like to mount 
one of the big Wald baskets on a rack for this bike. I would also like it 
to have a mount for my dynamo light. Currently debating between a Soma 
porteur rack, demiporteur (Soma or Rawland), or waiting for the new Riv 
rack. I talked to Will on the phone when ordering and he said the new 
basket rack should be coming in a month or two. So do I wait for that one 
or try one of these in the meantime? I also have one of the big Surly front 
racks but it's heavy and I rarely use front panniers. What racks are other 
people using with the big baskets? I'd like to be able to carry around 20 
lbs. Not any everyday thing but it does happen.

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