Re: [RBW] Soma sale - Triple crankset $28

[Tom Wyland]

I also picked up a crankset and cassette!  Thanks for the tip.

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Re: [RBW] Cycling caps: useful or merely decorative?

[Tom Wyland]

I wear cycling hats under my helmet every time I ride. I have no hair on my 
head, so it helps catch the sweat and protect me from sunburn. I also found 
that wearing a fresh hat every day (I commute to work) keeps my helmet from 
getting the "perma stink."
In the winter I have earflap hats: (RockBros -Amazon), one from Walz, 
Patagonia, etc.  Mostly I wear thin wool beanies.

Saddest hat story?  I sometimes buy them from Rothera (sadly it looks like 
they are no longer around). They're pricey, but often have cool fabric. I 
wore my new Seinfeld - Kramer hat to work, promptly dropped it on the way 
in the front door.  It was never recovered. One ride!

Tom
Reston, VA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

[Tom Wyland]

I lock my Platypus at my office in the parking garage. My office is in a 
suburban area and I use one heavy u-lock and no QR locks (although I like 
this idea a lot). I also ride my Riv in the rain. My office is moving to a 
more theft-prone area next year, but they do have lockers there I can 
hopefully squeeze my bike into. My high-security setup would be one u-lock 
and one heavy chain lock.

One thing to consider is how others lock their bikes in the same area. In 
Montreal all the bikes have mid-range or better u-locks.  Where my son goes 
to school everyone uses cable locks or no lock. 

Tom




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[RBW] Re: Replacement tires for Soma Shikoro 42 x 622mm (700 x 42) cream sidewalls

[Tom Wyland]

I'm sure I won't be the only one to recommend Rene Herse tires. I have some 
regret getting the standard casing, as I had more than a couple of flats on 
my suburban commute. Glass that any Schwalbe tire would shrug off just 
works it's way in there.  The same with small wires. I run tubes.

Tom

On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 6:16:23 PM UTC-4 dajo...@gmail.com wrote:

> My Soma Shikoro tires need to be replaced.  I'm seeking recommendations 
> from the hive.  The new tires will be paired with 700C Velocity NoBS 
> wheels.  I ride mostly on pavement, but the tires need to be able to handle 
> gravel, too.  Suggestions?

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Re: [RBW] ISO: A long rear rack

[Tom Wyland]

Thanks, Liz. I'll pass as I need something closer to 15.5 inches.
If anyone has a rack gathering dust that might fit the bill let me know.

Tom "taking a tape measure to all of his local bike shops" 
Reston, VA

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[RBW] ISO: A long rear rack

[Tom Wyland]

I picked up a cool Dutch twin panniers in Amsterdam for my Platy. I'm 
putting the large saddlesack and R14 rack on the shelf a bit. 
The double panniers looked so tiny on the big city bikes, but I can't find 
a bike rack in the US that has a platform 400mm (15.75 inches) long. 
Does anyone have a rear rack laying around that has a platform larger than 
15 inches? 

Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: Knobby tires and fenders

[Tom Wyland]

I'm not sure if this answers the question but perhaps it will help. I run 
63mm VO Fluted fenders on my Platypus.  The stated max tire size is 48mm 
with fenders.  I have the smooth RH Hatcher Pass (48mm) on Velocity Dyads 
(so they measure closer to 45mm but greater diameter). I switched to knobby 
Oracle Ridge tires of the same size, and my fenders rubbed on my rear light 
mounting bolt (inside the fender). So they do require greater clearance for 
the tire only. I just had to make a very slight rear stay adjustment (2mm) 
to keep the tires from rubbing.

In general though I prefer at least 10mm of clearance for non-knobby tires. 
I mostly just do the fender width minus the stated tire width instead of 
dealing with measuring the gaps everywhere.  So 63mm-48mm is 15mm of stated 
clearance.

Tom

On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 2:16:38 AM UTC+1 ascpgh wrote:

> Seems like a similar question to the fenders off road (with smooth tires) 
> question and maxims.
>
> I've got no knobby tires as of yet. I've ridden both my Rambouillet and 
> Coast rando off road and only find the front mudflap an issue. I use two 
> small bulldog binder clips  to affix the flaps (with their handle bales 
> removed once mounted) and take them off when surface conditions are such 
> that I'm picking things up at a rate higher than a low grade nuisance. I'm 
> not riding at speeds high enough to cause any drama worth posting on social 
> media. 
>
> If my conditions and riding reach the point of requiring greater traction 
> I would be all over the appropriate sized RH knobs for having dimensions 
> that match those of the slick (file tread) tires for easy clearance 
> consideration instead of beta testing all that myself with others' inputs. 
>
> After Bill's brevet report I'm eagerly anticipating a long ride down the 
> GAP which ihas n the past included some snowpack near the divide and plenty 
> of recently unfrozen limestone dust trail surface that gets a bit spongy 
> and slightly wheel spinny if trying to push yourself. They have a very nice 
> uniform low height to width knob profile so they don't wobble under pedal 
> or steering input. I learned about that with OG Specialized Hardpack 26" x 
> 2.2"  riding trails off the Continental Divide in south central Colorado, 
> 1988. Flexy knobs, taller on the sides, will let you down. Abruptly. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:36:55 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I am thinking of getting a second wheelset for the 2016 Chauncey Matthews 
>> "road bike for dirt" to supplement the very nice, very all-rounder-type 48 
>> mm labeled/50 actual Soma Supple Vitesse SL wheelset. The second wheelset 
>> would have knobbies for sand, since the Somas just don't have the float and 
>> directional stability that I need for our sandy trails.
>>
>> Riv content: I told Chauncey to measure my 2 (at the time) custom Riv 
>> Roads and make the new bike handle as much l like those as possible. (And 
>> with the Somas it does, wonderful; the 60 mm Big Ones wallowed and wandered 
>> --- not horrible, just not Rivendell-like -- tho' they floated well over 
>> sand.)
>>
>> I am thinking of using RH knobbies -- since the reportedly once 
>> superlatively light and fast Thunder Burt has gained oz and stiffness 
>> compared to its first edition. *(730 grams for the 700C X 2.35!!* The 
>> 2.35 Big Ones are a digitally true 450 grams, and the F Freds that the TBs 
>> replaced were a true 360 at a true 50 mm.)
>>
>> The 55 mm Fleecer Ridges (per specs ELs would probably measure very close 
>> to 60 tubeless on my 27 mm IW rims) for max float; but this would mean 
>> removing the Kelpie fenders. 
>>
>> I like fenders. I live in the high desert with an average 9" of rain a 
>> year but we have a *lot* of dust and full fenders keep a great deal of 
>> it off my legs and off of the bike. Also, the Matthews was one of my 2 
>> "rain bikes" -- puddles and snow melt included.
>>
>> I used these fenders with 60 mm Big Ones, but those were smooth tread and 
>> even so barely cleared under the seatstay bridge; about 5 mm.
>>
>> Obviously, using ~60 mm knobbies with these fenders would be foolish, and 
>> I've been thinking that perhaps the Oracle Ridge might work with them, at 
>> barely 50 mm extrapolated from the website; the 50 mm Somas have perhaps 
>> just shy of 2 cm of clearance at that tight spot under the seatstay bridge 
>> and 3 cm+ under the fork crown. (The Big Ones measured ~29 1/2" tall, the 
>> Somas ~28 1/2" tall, so 1/2 inch/~12mm difference.)
>>
>> So I'm curious if any of youse use fenders with knobbies and:
>>
>> 1. What is the minimum gap your require?
>>
>> 2. how big are the knobs? IOW, are small, even knobs as on the RH 
>> knobbies safer with fenders than the big fat knobs on real mtb tires?
>>
>> 3. What do you say in particular to ~50 mm Oracle Ridges under full 
>> fenders with the clearances described?
>>
>> I cannot use the aftermarket stay b

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Tom Wyland]

Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  So yeah 
they're basically the same.  

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear rack, 
fenders, and a pump "naked" haha

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Tom Wyland]

My Platy with Bosco bars, Nitto R-14, large Saddlesack, tool kit, Dyad 
wheels, frame pump, dynamo lighting, etc weighs about the same as Kim's 
naked Clem. So from a weight perspective it's more about the "build and 
bags" than the frame, in reality.

Tom

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 7:52:31 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:

> Thanks for all of your responses to my request for information.  I am very 
> grateful.  Steve - your Platypus is gorgeous!  Is the terrain in that 
> picture typical of the kind of riding?
>
> Sarah and Al - you have kind of hit my dilemma.  I have really enjoyed the 
> opportunity to bike with my wife, and I hope to do more of it in the 
> future.  I want her to fall in love with a bike - and I think the Platypus 
> may do that.  However, as she is not [yet] a bike person, the price tag is 
> a bit of a stumbling block.  Joyce, you are very kind to offer test rides.  
> I wish that were an easy option.  My Cheviot is much to big for her, so my 
> wife can see it, but not actually ride the bike.  Al - I think that she 
> would be happy with either bike, and that either a Clem or Platypus would 
> serve her well.  It is difficult to know which will bring the biggest smile 
> to her fact - which is, of course, the ultimate goal.
>
> Kim - thank you for the link to the earlier discussion about this topic.  
> I searched the list, but did not do as well as you. 
>
> Thanks for giving us lots to think about.
>
> Best -
> Sean
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 4:34:44 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I decided to weigh my Clem without my rear trunk bag. My bike weighs 32 
>> lbs with all of four of my empty water bottles and cages, rear rack, 
>> fenders and frame pump. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> I, too, own a 52cm blue Clem Smith Jr L bicycle. For the record, I run 
>>> 27.5x2.25mm Racing Ralph tires with Honjo Flat 65 fenders with no problem.
>>>
>>> I see my Clem as a A. T. B. It's capable of riding on pavement and off 
>>> road. The bike is very stable with it's long wheelbase. It is a heavy bike. 
>>> My bike weighs 44 lbs with my Topeak trunk bag full of my tools and 
>>> necessities. Despite the weight, I compensate for it very well by having 
>>> low gears (34/20T rings and a 9 speed cassette 11-40T)
>>>
>>> As a senior cyclist, I love the low bar for easy mounting and dismount 
>>> and the upright riding position.
>>>
>>> The 52cm frame works very well for me being 5'11" with a long torso and 
>>> short limbs. I weigh in at 220 lbs.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024, 8:20 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 I meant to add: if a 59 cm Clem can take true 622X60s I might just give 
 up trying to find a Monocog replacement and get a Clem for sandy train 
 riding -- we'll see. Next installment: weird non-deraileur drivetrains for 
 a Clem.

 On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 9:18 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Al: Can you clarify what you mean by "more utilitarian"? 
>
> I keep a Clem in mind as a future purchase, and for my use, if the 
> difference with the Platypus is largely cosmetic, I'd choose the more 
> utilitarian model *if the ride is as good or better.* 
>
> Also, while I've asked this before, I keep forgetting. Riv designs the 
> 59 cm model for "29 inch" tires but the build option page offers 45 mm 
> Kendas (iirc) and 45s are good mostly on pavement in my area. How fat at 
> 700C *knobby tire* can the Clem take without fenders? How fat a 700C 
> *slick 
> tire?* Can it take 700C X 60 mm Big Ones?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 8:48 AM a spen  wrote:
>
>> ... The Clem feels more utilitarian to my riding sensibilities.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clean, don't toss, your dull German mirror

[Tom Wyland]

Funny story... I had a German mirror and it was all scratched. Then I lost 
one of the mounting bolts. So I bought a new German mirror, had it on the 
bike a year, then had a small crash on some acorns.  The only thing broken 
was the mirror housing. It turns out I had kept the broken mirror and was 
able to assemble everything into a new working mirror.  So, the moral of 
the story is NEVER THROW ANYTHING OUT. Kidding. Kind of.

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone else tried the new Riv seat?

[Tom Wyland]

I have it on my Platy currently. It replaced a Selle Anatomica H2 (at least 
for the winter). The SA was a tad too narrow since I swapped to slighly 
more upright bars. I haven't yet decided if the Riv saddle is too wide (by 
1-2cm).  I don't really care for the wide nose of the Riv saddle, but I 
suppose I'll get used to it. I do like the flat shape and the amount of 
padding (minimal). It's good for a more upright ride due to the width.  I 
may use it on my wife's bike to swap out the Bontrager commuter saddle 
(wide).  When viewed from the side, the Bontrager commuter saddle has 
shoulders that slope down where the Riv saddle is a flat profile. We both 
prefer saddles that have a flat profile.  I've also ridden a VO wide 
touring saddle and the Riv saddle is wider both in the nose and the rear.

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[RBW] Re: It finally happened re: Clem stock tires

[Tom Wyland]

Meanwhile, 2 weeks into a set of fancy Rene Herse tires I ran over a 
staple, sliced the tire and got a flat. 

Tom

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 2:28:59 PM UTC-5 Jim Bronson wrote:

> Well after 6 years of owning my Clem and riding it at least 1x weekly, 
> usually 4-5x weekly, I got a flat.
>
> I was doing my normal 3 mode commute, by car to the train station, by 
> train into town and by bike from the train station to the office.  Well I 
> rode my bike from the car to the train and was goofing off a bit and I 
> thought it was a seamless transition from the grass to the sidewalk in the 
> pre dawn light, well, it was actually a large sharp edge that was about 
> 4-5" higher than the grass.  Thankfully didn't go down, the front wheel 
> rolled over it but I'm guessing I either got a pinch or just exploded the 
> tube internally.
>
> I hung the bike up on the train and got out my laptop and did normal work 
> laptop stuff while riding the 40 minutes down to the office.  Well when I 
> stood up to unrack my Clem the front tire was flat.  Well I've never had a 
> flat on Clem before and although I had a spare tube, I did not have a pump 
> or other method of inflation.  So I hike a bike'd the 2.5 miles to the 
> office.
>
> I was able to buy a Schwalbe tube at the e-Bike store across the street, 
> albeit for a princely $18 for a SV19.  It's been holding air ever since, so 
> hopefully it will be another 6 years before I have another flat.  
>
> Gratuitous bike pic:  Clem on the train on a different day.
>
> Jim
> ATX
>

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[RBW] Re: Expert level bike commuting strategies?

[Tom Wyland]

I've been commuting for 13 years. My current commute is suburban, about 6 
miles each way.  Lots of great advice here and as expected I learned 
something new (sealant in tubes! sign me up!)
I would try new things to constantly improve your commute (equipment, 
route, clothes)

   - Try changing up luggage, cockpit (handlebar, grips, stems), tires, etc
   - Dynamo lights are awesome and help with safety during the day
   - I'm prepared, but I don't change my schedule for a weather *forecast*
   - I leave clothes and another computer at work to avoid lugging them 
   every day. I shower before I leave.
   - Choose different routes to avoid left hooks/cross traffic, etc.  It's 
   worth making your trip longer sometimes.
   - I got an ebike and take that on some days when I'm really unmotivated 
   or it's hot/windy, etc. 
   - The time difference between really pushing myself and just pleasantly 
   cruising is like 5-7 minutes, tops. 


Thanks,
Tom 
Reston, VA

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[RBW] Re: Platy chain interference with VO 63mm fenders

[Tom Wyland]

Ah Ha. Mine was crimped but I thought it was shipping damage so I 
un-crimped it before it was installed.  It looked like more of a dent than 
a crimp. I don't think it will provide enough clearance but maybe I'll try 
there first. I'm running a 9 speed cassette.

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Hi Tom - I'm afraid I can't be much help as I did not trim the VO 63mm 
> fenders on my Platypus. I'm running a VO 30/46 crank on a 118mm BB, but I 
> think the most relevant factor is that I'm using a 7 speed cassette which 
> gives a bit more chain clearance. I don't get chain to fender contact 
> during normal riding when in the small ring but on bumpy trails I sometimes 
> hear some clattering due to chain bouncing on the fender.
>
> The rear fender was crimped as provided - I flattened out the crimp to 
> maximize tire clearance with 50mm tires which reduced the chain clearance a 
> bit. Did you modify the crimped area? I wonder if simply trimming out the 
> crimped area would give clearance for both the chain and tire.
>
> Here's the clearance I have in the small front, large back combination and 
> what my reduced fender crimp looks like:
> [image: PXL_20231009_154940434.jpg]
>
> -Dave
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:25:48 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Hi, I have a Platy with freshly-installed 62mm fenders. I have the Riv 
>> 38/24 crankset and the chain interferes with the fender on the small 
>> chainring. Does anyone have photos of their fender trimming job they would 
>> be willing to share? Or perhaps the number of mm you removed?  I'm trying 
>> to reduce the trail and error a bit.
>> I've only worked with SKS fenders before and these VO fenders were easier 
>> than I thought to install. I did invest in a spring-loaded punch to help 
>> with drilling. Well, I guess I'm not quite done yet.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Tom
>> Reston, VA
>>
>

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[RBW] Platy chain interference with VO 63mm fenders

[Tom Wyland]

Hi, I have a Platy with freshly-installed 62mm fenders. I have the Riv 
38/24 crankset and the chain interferes with the fender on the small 
chainring. Does anyone have photos of their fender trimming job they would 
be willing to share? Or perhaps the number of mm you removed?  I'm trying 
to reduce the trail and error a bit.
I've only worked with SKS fenders before and these VO fenders were easier 
than I thought to install. I did invest in a spring-loaded punch to help 
with drilling. Well, I guess I'm not quite done yet.

Thanks!
Tom
Reston, VA

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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Tom Wyland]

OK, somebody made the point about my Rene Herse 700x48s probably measuring 
small. Yes, they are more like 44mm wide on my Velocity Dyads.  For me the 
fenders always limit the tire size.  I ran 42mm tires max under my 50mm SKS 
fenders.  I just installed 63mm VO venders on my Platy and realized I 
fitted them for 44mm tires (because I thought they were 48s!).  The state 
max spec is 48mm tires with fenders for the Platy. I see that others have 
fitted 50mm tires under the VO fluted fenders. I guess I'll push my luck 
with a larger size (Gravel Kings?) when I wear out this RH set.  Hopefully 
I didn't cut down my fender stays too short.

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Re: [RBW] What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Tom Wyland]

I've just switched out my Specialized Sawtooth 700x44 with Rene Herse 
700x48 Hatcher Pass tires (standard casing). Both are folding bead tires 
with supple sidewalls.  I enjoy the extra width of the Hatcher Pass but I'm 
not convinced that they are worth twice the price yet (actually I got the 
Specialized tires for like $18/each).  I'll see how they fare on my 
suburban commute in the coming months. I suspect I'll have more flats but 
I'll be sure to report back here.

Tom
Reston, VA

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Campee 27F rack vs rack combos

[Tom Wyland]

Tubus Tara work well with ortlieb panniers that have stiff backs and a 
slide-in plastic hook on the back. The angled pannier mounts with support 
bars all around would should work better with floppier panniers or those 
with simple bungee hooks.  The tubus don't always sit level with the Riv 
forks.  You may need to flip the top rail upside-down.

The Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack is similar to the 27F with angled 
carriers, but they don't come off.  The VO rack has better system for 
mounting a Rando bag, IMO.  

Tom
Reston, VA

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:44:22 AM UTC-4 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello group! 
> I recently purchased the Nitto Mini Campee front rack for my rando bag 
> with the idea of adding something like a TUBUS low rider or Marks Hub Area 
> rack (MF2) for pannier- carrying come S24O time. 
>
> Then I remembered Nitto's most grandiose front rack, the Campee 27F and 
> from my POV, that seems like the smartest, most elegant solution for a bike 
> that will always carry a central bag with the option of adding panniers. 
> The only rub is that rack is out of stock everywhere...it seems like Nitto 
> might not even be making it anymore *(this is pure speculation but it 
> also seems like VO dropped their front-camper rack as well)*. Any 
> insights on this? Is it just an incredibly time-consuming rack, they only 
> make a very small batch of them at a time? 
>
> The main reason why the Campee 27F is calling my name is that the 
> low-rider racks are both modular AND angled. It doesn't seem like the MF2 
> or Tubus offerings have that feature and I was wondering if anyone here 
> feels a difference in ride-quality between angled and vertical low-rider 
> panniers. 
>
> Would the Nitto Mini Campee and MF2 combo check all the boxes or is the 
> Campee 27F still the GROAT and worth the wait? 
>
> - Andrew
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Most Discreet Bell Placement

[Tom Wyland]

Mackenzy,

Wow, your bike belongs on the RivBike instagram/website/email somewhere. I
love to see working bikes. I hope Will is reading.

Tom

On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 1:34 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Very cool bike … and job! Thanks!
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Jul 12, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Mackenzy Albright <
> mackenzy.albri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Eric - I am a museum technician. I use my clementine to bring tools do the
> different gallery spaces I work in. The bag is a aerial tote with an
> assortment of tools I use for exhibition installations. Furthest left to
> right  is a Silky Pocket Boy saw, Snap-on Ratcheting screw driver, Svord
> pocket knife, occidental pouch with a flush cut pliers, small klien
> scissors, higonokami knife, pica pencil, and spot for the ratcheting screw
> driver.
>
> I have a bunch of other things in the bag like a 12v milwaukee drill,
> hammer, tape measure, pliers, various scrapers, square, etc etc etc.
>
> I've thought about building a bike with a Clydesdale and attaching a
> milwaukee packout kit to it.
>
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:59:53 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> I’m intrigued by the assortment of items in your handlebar bag. Mobile
>> hairdresser? Dog groomer? Other? Inquiring minds want to know ...
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Mackenzy Albright 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> I usually place my bell on my stem - but was playing with fit so had my
>> moose bars slammed. I like keeping hand positions open so don't like them
>> on prime handlebar real estate. I am pretty certain I stole this one from
>> Jan Heine somewhere - but it easily fit under my seat. It worked well
>> enough - wasn't hard to reach. I moved it back to the stem eventually
>> because I decided I didn't need my stem slammed and like to be able to use
>> a saddle bag. I would consider this placement again on the right bike.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:26:56 AM UTC-7 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Re Spurcycle price - they have a "Frankenbell" sale every fall where you
>>> can get a good deal on blems.  Mine looks perfect, couldn't ID any quality
>>> issues.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Tom: I love a stem-shifter-mounted bell, very cool that the thread
 pitches are the same. I've never run one myself but I have threaded a bell
 onto a stem shifter in my shop just to try it out.

 Another install I like is a Crane E-ne mounted to the downtube shifter
 boss, seen here on a Crust Romanceur with a one-by drivetrain.

 [image: Screen Shot 2023-07-12 at 7.52.28 AM.png]

 On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:35:00 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I indicated that I had bought a Crane ENE.  That one ended up under
> the top tube on my Black Mountain Monstercross:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53021867018
>
> BL in EC
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 12:53:57 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I bought three (3!!!) bells at Blue Heron yesterday.  I've got a
>> number of bell-less bikes and the shame has become too much.  All three
>> were Japanese Crane models.
>>
>> 1. A hand painted one will clamp to the stem quill on my Quickbeam
>> 2. A "Spur-Like" ENE model will go on my Hetchins
>> 3. A headset-spacer model will get disassembled, and I'm going to
>> drill and tap an M5 hole into the side of my CNC aluminum Cinelli Sesamo
>> stem on my Single Speed Lightning Bolt.  That will be my entry for "most
>> discreet".
>>
>> Pics or it didn't happen
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 9:25:34 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking,
>>> smartly engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made.
>>> That's my story and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Inquiring about "sling over the rack" rear panniers; perhaps trade for Medium Happisack or Sackville?

[Tom Wyland]

I've always been a fan of the Dutch variety of these double panniers.  They 
are typically made out of tarp material (often recycled).
Green Guru Gear 
(recycled): 
https://www.greengurugear.com/collections/bike-gear/products/double-dutch-dual-pannier
Basil:  
https://www.greengurugear.com/collections/bike-gear/products/double-dutch-dual-pannier
  
or  
https://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/accessories-c11/bags-and-cases-c137/basil-double-city-shopper-pannier-bags-p26380/s80211?utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=basil-double-city-shopper-pannier-bags-colours-grey-colours-grey-bas18072&utm_campaign=froogle&cid=USD&vs_vat=ex&glCurrency=USD&glCountry=US
Clarijs (recycled or 
no):  https://clarijs-fietstassen.nl/en/double-panniers-recycled/  Lots of 
build-to-suit options as well.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[Tom Wyland]

I've been just sitting here waiting for someone to try a TV Tray in their 
saddlebag.  I have one of the old large Saddlesacks and the coroplast 
doesn't last long. 

Let me know how it works!

Tom

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 1:49:01 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I’ve looked more into the idea of an external saddlebag support, and 
> wouldn’t you know it the good folks at Surly thought of it first: 
> https://surlybikes.com/parts/tv_tray I just ordered one and will report 
> back.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Apr 17, 2023, at 8:46 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> I’ve been thinking about this as well. Replacement coroplast is the 
> obvious answer, and I’ve saved a stash of campaign signs from last 
> November’s election for just this purpose. But I’ve also been thinking 
> about getting rid of the coroplast entirely, and zip-tying something like a 
> kitchen wire cooling rack (like for baking cookies) to the top of my rear 
> cargo rack to provide support to the saddlebag from underneath. This would 
> probably be more durable, and would also eliminate the problem of small 
> items diving underneath the coroplast inside the saddlebag. I’ll be curious 
> to learn what clever solutions others have come up with.
>
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Apr 17, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 48mm tire choice?

[Tom Wyland]

Yes, thanks everyone. I'll give the "high end" RH tires a try this go
around.  I'm a fan of Schwalbe so those will likely be my second go-round.
I've tried Big Bens and Schwalbe Marathon HS in the past as well.  I'm not
sure I'm sold on *suppleness *yet. The good news is the Platy already soaks
up lots of road vibration.

I just did this entire exercise in my head this week:  * Need 1 new 42mm
tire > replace both tires > get bigger tires 48mm > get bigger fenders to
fit tires > upgrade fender-mounted tailight? > upgrade wheels*?!

Tom

On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 10:20 AM Lance Terry  wrote:

> Good morning all. Looks like Tom is going to give the Hatchers a try.
> Thanks for everyone else's interest.
> Lance
>
> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:48:38 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom W,
>> They are listed as 622-50 on sidewall, but are 48mm on normal width rims-
>> 19-21mm internal. I have fenders over these with no issues.
>> Tom P
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 4:59:06 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> Tom P - Are the Schwalbe G one Speed 700x48 tires really 50-622 ERTO?  I
>>> don't see 700x48 as a choice for those. What is their actual width? I'm
>>> wondering what I can fit on my fendered Platypus.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom W
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 4:10:26 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>> I have had 700x42 Continental Speed Rides, 700x44 RH Snoqualmie Pass and
>>> now 700x48 Schwalbe G one speeds on my Platypus. I like them all, but the
>>> Schwalbes feel a bit sturdier than the RH. I had some in the past and they
>>> seemed to wear rather quickly, but I chnage tires a bit so it isn't a bad
>>> thing for me. Next up will be RH 48mm knobbies, but the G Ones are doing
>>> well now.
>>> Tom Palmer,
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 48mm tire choice?

[Tom Wyland]

Tom P - Are the Schwalbe G one Speed 700x48 tires really 50-622 ERTO?  I 
don't see 700x48 as a choice for those. What is their actual width? I'm 
wondering what I can fit on my fendered Platypus.

Thanks,
Tom W



On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 4:10:26 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

Hi Tom,
I have had 700x42 Continental Speed Rides, 700x44 RH Snoqualmie Pass and 
now 700x48 Schwalbe G one speeds on my Platypus. I like them all, but the 
Schwalbes feel a bit sturdier than the RH. I had some in the past and they 
seemed to wear rather quickly, but I chnage tires a bit so it isn't a bad 
thing for me. Next up will be RH 48mm knobbies, but the G Ones are doing 
well now.
Tom Palmer,
Twin Lake, MI

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[RBW] 48mm tire choice?

[Tom Wyland]

Hi, can anyone recommend tires for 90% pavement that are 700x48 for my 
Platy?  I've gone the cheap route with the Specialized Sawtooth but now I'm 
ready for something better.  They have to be tough enough to commute on the 
street every day.

The only tire I can seem to find is the Shikoro. I remember reading some 
mixed reviews but I couldn't find anything recent here.

Thanks,
Tom 
Reston, VA

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[RBW] Re: A report on my new leather saddle

[Tom Wyland]

I found that the Selle Anatomica works for me, too.  I've had mine for 2 
years now.  I need a saddle for my folding bike and I'm deciding to buy 
another H2 saddle or not.  The selection of non-leather saddles that has 
saddle bag loops is limited, unfortunately.

Tom 
Reston, VA

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:37:24 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Doug,
>
> You are absolutely correct in of having a saddle that works best for me. 
> Now, I can more on to enjoying the ride and scenery. 
>
> I have a Brooks B-17 saddle on a bike that I retired years ago that never 
> got broken in. Never felt inclined to put it on my Clem. 
>
> Thank-you for sharing.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 5:15:13 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Kim,
>> There is nothing better than a saddle that works for you. From your photo 
>> I can see that the Selle Anotomica truly does have a hammock shape, much 
>> different from a Brooks. I'm happy so far with my Brooks B17 but it is good 
>> to know there are leather options in the market.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 1:17:01 AM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Kim,
>>> Way to go!  Congrats on getting the saddle you wanted.  It's always a 
>>> bonus to get a piece of gear that makes riding a pleasure.  Many miles to 
>>> you!
>>>
>>> --Joyce
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yesterday, I received in the mail from a purchase I made from a RBW 
 member a Selle Anotomica H1 black gun metal leather saddle. He gave me a 
 real good deal on it. It had not been ridden with some blemishes on the 
 saddle. This is my first Selle Anatomica saddle. 

 My Brooks B67S saddle was hurting my seat bones. Have I become older ? 
 ...or has my butt gotten more bony ? I rode 14 miles last week. I had to 
 stop occasionally and rest. Needless to say, it was very annoying. 

 Today, I hung up the Brooks saddle. I installed my Selle Anatomica H1 
 saddle on my PAUL Tall & Handsome seat post. Test rode the saddle to dial 
 it in to my comfort between my garage and up and down the street about six 
 or seven times. 

 Guess what ? it truly is a "hammock for my butt" !  

 It is quite comfortable. I think I can see myself riding longer 
 distances with more smiles.

 Less rain in the forecast for next week. Time to ride more.

 Kim Hetzel
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rosco Platypus 60cm - Purple!

[Tom Wyland]

Hi Al!  I don't see a Riv post at that link.   

- Tom 
Reston, VA

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 1:24:41 PM UTC-5 a spen wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm reluctantly parting with my latest acquisition, a 60 cm Rosco Platy-  
> in purple!
> I find it to be a more forgiving, compliant, and spritely ride than the 
> Gus & Suzie, and if it had a greater stack height it would be my perfect 
> all arounder, but the combination of my too tall pbh (99cm) and needing 
> handlebars up higher still just doesn't work here.
>  
> Having owned/own a slew of Rivs, this would be my candidate for 'the one 
> to rule them all'. An incredibly versatile, capable, and of course, being a 
> Riv, fun.
>
> I cannot improve on the description, pics & presentation from the original 
> poster, so a link is provided below. The bike is entirely as listed minus 
> peddles.
>
> --$1650 for complete bike. (Would prefer to sell complete, but F/F/HS 
> possible)
>  
> Shipping or delivery between DC and Atlanta possible
>
> ***Please message me with your questions, inquiries, etc.***
>
> Thanks!
> Al in VA
>
> https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-for-sale-post.html
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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Tom Wyland]

$1750 plus shipping from New Zealand.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:32 PM 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Not on Face Book, what is the asking price?
>
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>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:21 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:
>
> NOS Bleriot framesets in 55, 57, and 59 on the Facebook group
> "Rivendellicious"
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Gus Boots Wilsen
>> 57cm
>> $2,000
>> Knoxville, TN
>>
>>
>> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>>
>>> Heron F/F/HS
>>> 59cm
>>> Glencoe, Missouri
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-1.jpg]
>>>
>>> Emmet's Atlantis
>>> 62cm
>>> $4,100
>>> Johnstown, Penna.
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/I0J98HEzLE8/m/kIFrddphAwAJ
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/204180214887
>>>
>>> [image: 00C0C_cYCQbXn7REEz_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>>
>>> Platypus F/F/HS
>>> 60cm
>>> $1,637
>>> Eugene, OR
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/7564024599.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 There's a 62cm Hunqapillar complete at Hope Cyclery for $3,600

 [image: IMG_3589.PNG]

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

[Tom Wyland]

I would recommend a Handsome Devil step-through aka She Devil.  It's going 
to have a little more lively steering than a Riv due to lower trail. The 
frame itself is also not as nice and a little heavier than a Riv 
Platy/Betty, but it still has very clean welds.  No lugs.  You could also 
build it with a IGH rear hub because it has semi-horizontal rear dropouts 
to tension the chain. The folks at Handsome are good people to work with. 
The Devil was originally a nod to Bridgestone bikes.

I had a Handsome Devil for years all decked out in Riv Style before I got 
my Platy.

Tom


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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone ride VO Quill Stem? pics? / Orange Appaloosa touch-up paint?

[Tom Wyland]

I'm running the VO shim for the Bosco Bars, yes.

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Re: Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Tom Wyland]

Washington DC area folks, crazy good deal on a 61 Atlantis.   Sheesh I 
might buy it just for the wheelset.

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/7542573903.html


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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Tom Wyland]

I agree with Ben -- most saddles are arc-shaped and I like flat saddles. I 
really liked my Velo Orange wide touring saddle. It's firm but not too firm 
and has a rubbery texture. Bag loops are a plus. I find this saddle to be 
not breathable enough for me (I don't wear bike shorts). My current saddle 
is a Selle Anatomica H2.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] High bars at a club ride

[Tom Wyland]

OK, I used to be all against the idea of riding in circles for sport.  I'm 
all about riding to get somewhere or do something, not just riding loops.  
Then Covid lockdown hit  and I didn't bike to work, there was nothing open, 
and I didn't want to be exercising my lungs in the grocery store after 
riding there.  So I found myself riding in circles.  So I guess it's not 
that dumb after all. I just wish people would take a relaxing ride once and 
a while instead of sprinting everywhere.

I'm 100% with the comment from Max S on Chilling/Cruising/Jamming 
positions.  All bars should have them.

Tom, who recently switched to Bosco Bars


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Re: [RBW] Searching for bike akin to Quickbeam

[Tom Wyland]

Handsome Devil.  It has a nice fork crown.  The rest of the bike isn't 
lugged but the welds are super smooth.  The higher bottom bracket would be 
helpful if you ran fixed gear. The tubing is way more stout than your 
typical 80s Japanese bike though.

Tom

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 12:57:55 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> I think the old Le Tour III will have the 0.866 inch, or is it 0.886 inch 
> ID fork steer tube. I think that was up until about 1982. Others here will 
> have a better date range when Schwinn switched to 22.2 mm stem/steer tube 
> diameter. You can always shave down a Nitto stem to fit, particularly if 
> the Le Tour you find is the fully chromed frame and fork. I would do it for 
> a full chrome job. 
>
> Mike SLO CA
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:51:00 AM UTC-7 James wrote:
>
>> That's helpful Eric.  Yeah, a CC would be great, but with a Le Tour for 
>> $300 complete (inexpensive components, single speed) I can't justify 
>> another $600 for the CC.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 3:00:18 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, sorry, I didn't see that lugged was a requirement. At least all of 
>>> these have a lugged fork!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 2:58 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
 For new, the Surly Cross Check is probably the closest competitor, but 
 it's up to $700 for the frameset now, or $950 complete.

 The BMC Monstercross is like a CC with 0.1mm thinner tubing and worse 
 cable routing. It's a few hundred more for the frameset.

 I've had both of these frame, and a QB, and put some comparison 
 thoughts here:


 https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2019/05/rivendell-quickbeam-vs-surly-cross.html

 I may try a Handsome Devil next. Almost down to your price range ($550 
 or so), with a bit quicker handling than anything listed above.

 I've looked at a couple of used Le Tours, but the top tubes seemed very 
 short on these. Maybe 57cm for a 25" frame? Anyway, something to check.

 Eric

 On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 9:46 AM James  wrote:

> I have wanted a quick beam for a while now but the cost of a 3rd 
> rivendell is holding me back, so I'm looking for a similar frame.  Anyone 
> have any suggestions on a steel, lugged, horizontal dropout (front or 
> rear 
> facing), fairly large wheel diameter bike?  One I could get for $500 
> max??  
> I have my eyes on a Schinn LeTour III and the only thing causing me pause 
> is tire clearance (35mm) .  Thanks for any suggestions.  (I have a 92cm 
> PBH 
> for anyone between NC and RI) 
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[RBW] Re: VO Stem opinion

[Tom Wyland]

I have a generic (eBay direct ship from China) stem adaptor and VO stem on 
my Platy. It was intended to be temporary as others noted you can easily 
swap out inexpensive stems to find the right length.   I'm not happy with 
the way the stem adaptor flexes.  I also don't care for the look of the fat 
stem on top of the skinny adaptor.  I'm switching to a VO quill faceplate 
stem shortly (delivery today!).  I'll let you know how that works out.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: What size fenders on your Platy?

[Tom Wyland]

John,
You don't dent the fenders, you just trim them with a knife or tin snips.  
My SKS P50 longboard are narrow at the stays from the factory, similar to 
the photo below.  It's not so great for keeping things clean in that area, 
but makes simplifies install.
Tom

[image: fender.jpg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: What size fenders on your Platy?

[Tom Wyland]

Roberta, no, but thanks for offering.  I have the same fenders.  There is
plenty of room for the fenders but the tires rub on the stay clips when the
fenders move side-to-side.  I'll keep an eye out for a wider fender or
maybe switch to the SKS 55s.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: What size fenders on your Platy?

[Tom Wyland]

Ha! Yes I was asking because of the sale.  I purchased a gift card on sale 
last year so I get the sale price anyhow.
Leah, I thought you had 650b fenders that were re-radiused?  Or was that 
someone else?
I'm just tired of my 50mm SKS fenders moving around and rubbing on my 42mm 
tires. I prefer  at least 10mm of clearance instead of 8mm.

-Tom

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[RBW] What size fenders on your Platy?

[Tom Wyland]

Can you share what size fenders are on your Platypus?  I have SKS P50s and 
it looks like 60s would maybe fit? I would like to try aluminum fenders, 
perhaps.

Thanks for the help.

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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Tom Wyland]

In my years of commuting I've used:
1) Milk Crate
2) Wald Basket
3) Panniers
4) Saddle Bag (Riv Large Saddle Sack)

I have one of those cheap packable backpacks 

 
that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide it 
*inside 
*the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more 
organized. I also sling it on my back when I'm locking up my bike, etc. . I 
borrowed the idea from a friend, so I can't take credit.  If you use a  
basket I recommend a foam pad for the bottom, though.
For short trips my preference would be a basket.  It stays on the bike, is 
transparent to the wind when empty, and keeps my stuff in view. 

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Platypus Questions

[Tom Wyland]

My double-leg Pletscher kickstand wouldn't fit on the my Platy kickstand 
plate. I ended up with a BV adjustable leg single-leg kickstand (from 
Amazon). It works OK but the mounting bolt keeps loosening up.  I'll try 
some more loctite on the mounting bolt to see if that helps.
Has anyone tried the Velo Orange double kickstand?

Tom 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Inventory

[Tom Wyland]

I've been waiting for a year to buy a quill faceplate stem from Velo 
Orange. Ditto with their flat pack rack.  So it's not unique to Riv.

Tom


On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:04:32 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Covid has wreaked havoc on the bicycle industry as well as many others. 
> Supply Chain is the latest phrase we all know too well these days. But, 
> Rivendell needs in my humble non-business owner opinion to buy more 
> inventory. I seem to remember they like to pay for all purchases without 
> using a credit line and that seems reasonable at first thought. But, I 
> think they would increase sales to a large extent if they would bring in 
> more product. A case in point are the knickers that went up for sale and 
> sold out in two days! Brass headset spacers are rarely available. The list 
> goes on.
>
> Just a thought I had as I was ready to buy a pair of knickers to no avail.
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Tom Wyland]

Ah, stainless. I was wondering why it looked so much better than my silver 
steel Tubus Tara.  I don't have any issues with the Ortlieb (high 
visibility) plus front panniers, for what it's worth. The lower hook can be 
moved around as needed.

Tom

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 5:55:28 PM UTC-4 Ed Fausto wrote:

> Hi Nick,
>
> I tried your suggestion on the Tubus Tara installation by swapping the 
> left and right rack rails and has allowed me to set the rail almost 
> perfectly horizontal.
> What front panniers are you using?
> When I tried both my Carradice C and Gravel pack front panniers, I am 
> having trouble mounting the lower hooks since it is exactly located on the 
> fork mounting points of the rack.
>
> I really wanted to use the Tara.
> By the way, it is also the stainless version and the hoop is 14mm in 
> diameter.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: DMV Area Rivendell Riders

[Tom Wyland]

Hey, Tom here!
I ride a limeolive Platypus and I live out in the Herndon area (Virginia).  
I typically don't make it to DC with that bike very often -- maybe I will 
more when the Silver Line station near my house opens next spring.   I'm 
active with Fairfax Alliance for Better Bicycling out this way.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: rack for platypus

[Tom Wyland]

Joe,
See the link on my first post about them, it has the specs.

https://pelagobicycles.com/commuter-front-rack/



On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Does anyone know the approximate weight differences between the racks
> mentioned? I'm personally not a big fan of huge racks flopping around at
> the front of my bike, me-thinks this would be good information for the OP.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: rack for platypus

[Tom Wyland]

Has anyone seen a Pelago rack in the wild? They come in three widths made 
from stainless or aluminum.  The medium size seems like a good compromise 
between a full-sized pass-and-stow and a small bag-support type rack.   In 
Europe they have lowrider mounts for them, even.  

https://pelagobicycles.com/commuter-front-rack/


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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Tom Wyland]

I bought a pair of Merrell Trail Glove minimalist trail running shoes to 
try with my bike (has bmx pedals).  They are super light and have a "rock 
plate" in the sole that makes it stiff over the arch of the foot.  It 
basically makes it better for supporting your foot on flat pedals. 
Typically these types of "barefoot" shoes have super-flexible soles that 
would not do a good job supporting your foot on the pedals.  I guess the 
'trail" designation means they have a stiffer sole. I was really surprised 
at how well they worked versus Keens or regular running shoes.  Your 
results may vary, but if you see them on sale and they fit, give them a try.

https://www.merrell.com/US/en/trail-glove-6-eco/48686M.html?dwvar_48686M_color=J066763#cgid=run&prefn1=itemStyle&prefv1=BAREFOOT&start=1

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[RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

[Tom Wyland]

Pardon the dumb question, but can an Altus 8 speed rear der work with a 9 
speed on friction shift?

Thanks,
Tom "still doesn't know much about shifting" Wyland

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[RBW] Re: Next Upgrade for "Michigan Man": a front rack

[Tom Wyland]

 I'm in the same boat.  I would look at the Velo Orange Flat Pack Rack.  
I'm not 100% sure how/if the VO rack would work with the top-of-fork-crown 
mounts, though.  Has anyone tried it?
https://velo-orange.com/products/flat-pack-randonneur-rack

The Surly 8-pack rack would likely work.  I emailed them and they confirmed 
that it would fit the Platypus fork (same as Appaloosa?). It's NOT much of 
a looker, though
https://surlybikes.com/parts/8_pack_rack

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[RBW] Re: Cycling apps for Apple Watch

[Tom Wyland]

Strava.  Just tracking commutes and joining local challenges (like Freezing 
Saddles, etc).  The watch app can independently track your ride then sync 
with the phone later, if you prefer that route.

Be prepared for Strava to encourage you to be "the fastest" and refer to 
you as an "athlete" constantly.  Super annoying.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Tom Wyland]

If I was Riv President for a day, I would ponder if adding a lower-cost 
all-rounder bike would cut into sales of the other models. Clem and 
Roadini  (tigged lower-cost frames) are on the rough terrain and road ends 
of the spectrum.  The premium equivalents are the Hillibikes  and AHH.  All 
of the bikes in the all-rounder territory are the premium type, and there 
are quite a few models that functionally overlap (Platy, Sam, Atlantis, Joe 
Appa). Adding a lower-cost alternative for the already overlapping premium 
models would just cut into the sales of those without further 
differentiation. 

I would partner with a brand that made lower-cost frames and offer those 
without Riv branding.  Then capture all of those other brand's customers 
and offer them to ladder up to a Rivendell.  Basically use the lower cost 
brand as a channel to sell the more premium Rivs.  And you wouldn't dilute 
your brand with a lower-priced model with little differentiation.  
Companies like Handsome or Soma might make sense.

The good news is 1) I'm not Riv President for a Day and 2) due to the 
current bike boom they'll sell whatever bikes they ordered in an hour.  
Boom.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

I've added my fenders (SKS P50), dynamo lights and front derailleur (Campy
from Joe!) to my Platy. I've gotten lots of insights from this group!   My
wife and I took a little ride through local trails on Sunday, dodging
cicadas. Some dirt farm paths and a few stream crossings (even a tunnel).
Not bad for the DC suburbs.  The Platy is pretty amazing. The fork (and
quill stem) are much more compliant than any other bike I've ridden.  I see
why Grant has kept away from disk brakes. You'd never get that feel with a
beefed-up thru-axle fork and disk brakes.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: O shifter mount

[Tom Wyland]

After further discussions the seller will accept a return on these.  Look 
out for an O lever on sale on Ebay.  Seller was super quick to ship.  Price 
I payed was the same as Rivendell and it was new in packaging.

Tom

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[RBW] WTB: O shifter mount

[Tom Wyland]

OK, the good news is that I purchased a new O Silver 2 shifter and mount 
from eBay a week before they restocked then sold out.  The bad news is that 
the seller sent me an O shifter with an X mount. The message from the 
seller was a shrug and a "that's what Rivendell sent me."  So I have an 
extra X mount to trade if you need it. If you bought a shifter set from 
Rivendell, maybe double check that you have a matching mount.

I really do like the inside mounting technique for these shifters.  They're 
easy to use and work well with pogies in the winter.

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[RBW] Re: Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Tom Wyland]

I'm going to try one of Joe's vintage derailleurs next.  Stay tuned. 
Thanks, Joe for the parts connection and the offer to help!  

Tom
 

>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:27:10 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that 
>> didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9 
>> speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction. 
>>
>> Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple 
>> mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm 
>> having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the 
>> myriad of 10-speed triples new.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Tom Wyland]

Um, it seemed like the cage wouldn't clear the stay?  Also it didn't appear 
to move far enough for the "low" gear when I pushed it all the way in. 
Maybe it could be modified.  I could re-purchase it (LBS) and try again, I 
supposed.  Seems like you're all saying that most of them should work.  So 
user error on my part, maybe?
Here's the model:  Microshift 539 Triple 
9-speed:  https://www.jensonusa.com/Microshift-R539-Triple-Front-Derailleur

Tom

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 2:43:23 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Tom, what exactly is/was the problem with the Microshift you tried? 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 6:27:10 AM UTC-7 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that 
>> didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9 
>> speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction. 
>>
>> Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple 
>> mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm 
>> having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the 
>> myriad of 10-speed triples new.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Tom Wyland]

Its 28.6?  It can be shimmed from a larger sized clamp.

Tom

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> On May 26, 2021, at 7:30 AM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> What is the external diameter of the Platypus seat tube that the front 
> derailleur clamps to?
> 
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL

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[RBW] Re: Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Tom Wyland]

Thanks, Pam.  I'm in the DC area (Herndon, VA) but it's spring and all 
mechanics are booked.  I'll ask Tim/Daniel at Bikes at Vienna when I can 
get there.  I'm trying to do this build all by myself as a project.  I 
would rather not order and return 5 FD if possible.

Tom

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 10:58:14 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I have an older derailleur I got from the used bin at our Recyclery bike 
> shop.  Most old school derailleurs will work for friction.  I don't even 
> know the name of it.  It's all metal.  The newer derailleurs are sized for 
> different tubing and it had a plastic shim that did not hold.  Where are 
> you located?  You need a mechanic who is used to older bikes.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:27:10 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that 
>> didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9 
>> speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction. 
>>
>> Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple 
>> mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm 
>> having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the 
>> myriad of 10-speed triples new.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Tom Wyland]

OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that 
didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9 
speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction. 

Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple mountain?) 
was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm having a 
hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the myriad of 
10-speed triples new.

Thanks!
Tom


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[RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Tom Wyland]

Should I feel bad about my 780g Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard tires?  Sure 
keeps the flats away when riding on the street.

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to hear 
an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[Tom Wyland]

I've tried the dremel (using a cut-off disk) but I prefer the bolt cutter 
and file method.  It's easier to get a precise cut and is less messy.

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[RBW] Re: Changing up bars/luggage

[Tom Wyland]

Your "Platrack with bag" --is that a Slickersack?  Man, I've had that 
search term on eBay for years and have never found one. Cool!

My iterations on Albatross bike:
R-14 and Large Saddlesack on back, rando rack with smaller wald basket on 
front (sometimes with shopsack)
R-14 with no bag, Ruthworks Saddle wedge,  rando rack + VO rando bag on 
front 
Ruthworks Saddle wedge, rando rack + VO rando bag on front 
Same as above with a Tubus Tara and small panniers when needed

Drop bar:
Minnehaha medium black canvas saddle bag in back

The Platypus so far has the R14 + Large Saddlesack only right now.  I may 
add a VO flatpack rack on the front and swap the R14 for VO Campeur on the 
back (anyone selling either?)


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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

Thanks for your responses.  I have some CRC SP400 on hand that I read was
decent.  It's the first frame I've had to do it (others have come
pre-treated).

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 10:01 AM J S  wrote:

> You need to add the protection.  I used framesaver on the last 2 bikes,
> others like boshield.  I am sure there are other products as well.  .
> ses sent all over the world. Erasing the history helps prevent Spammers
> from obtaining addresses, prevents viruses from being propagated, and
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

Platy arrived via UPS yesterday!  I plan to move 80% of the parts from 
another bike over to it. Question - are the interior of these bikes ED 
coated or should I use frame saver?  I assumed frame saver but after I 
search of this forum I really haven't seen anything about MIT Rivs.  Mine 
was the "non prep" option from Riv.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

My Platy frame is scheduled for delivery later this week!  They are
shipping out!

Tom

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

Has anyone heard when they will start shipping out the non-prepped frames?  
I figured someone else might have made a call or asked.

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[RBW] Re: Clem's mount for rear wheel lock.

[Tom Wyland]

I had a Clem-like Dutch bike for many years with a frame lock.  I used it 
all of the time to lock up in front of a store for a few minutes.  It's 
also extra security for longer-term lock-ups because it protects your rear 
wheel from theft.
I had a cable lock that plugged in as well.  I still used another U-lock 
for higher security, but the frame lock + cable worked for me 95% of the 
time.

Tom 
Herndon, VA

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[RBW] Re: Riv-style pants

[Tom Wyland]

I'm a fan of these Prana Stretch Zion Pants.  I have the Brion as well 
(they lack the side pocket).  Stretchy, gusseted crotch with vent holes.  
Very nice material.  Just don't get chain grease on them as it will never 
come out.

https://www.prana.com/p/stretch-zion-pant/M4ST99116.html?dwvar_M4ST99116_color=Charcoal&pos=5

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

I would have thought that the "no prep" frame-only orders could just be
labeled and shipped. I didn't think that they even cracked open the boxes.

I haven't gotten any updates on my no-prep order yet.

For what it's worth I called Rivendell back in (spring??) 2019 asking about
purchasing a Joe A. Will talked me out of the Joe and into this future
Mixte. So I can wait another week or two.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleurs / Derailers / Whatever

[Tom Wyland]

I had the same question about the front derailleur and the silver low-high 
38-24 crank.  It's my first build with a FD.  The gist is to get a road 
double and mess around until it works?  I have no intention of spending $80 
if a cheap one will work.

Tom



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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

55 Olive on the way for me! 

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[RBW] Re: 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

[Tom Wyland]

My wife has the same Trek FX. It has been a good bike for her. The frame 
must be of European origin (touring frame?) because hers has bosses for a 
rear wheel lock (O lock).   It had 35mm tires on it stock and would 
probably fit bigger tires if you'd want to.

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[RBW] Re: Bike Snob Today!

[Tom Wyland]

Mudbunion!  List all possible anagrams, go!

>
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[RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

Mike M:  Just turn on closed captions for English-ish translation. 

For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell and 
the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff. 



On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 12:23:18 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:

> Bluelug just posted a Platypus build video.
> I wish I understood Japanese!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga8o1WKWgXs&t=537s
>
> Mike M
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

OK, I did a thing.   Add your name/size to the list if you'd like.  How 
many people on this thread are buying?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jG8avmUgfvc3r7DpisHaSnLZAhSDucLecwWe5rCKEYk/edit?usp=sharing



On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:53:36 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Yeah, I called too and was told to wait.  Maybe we should just create a 
> google dock and see if our intended purchase quantities exceed their 
> supply.  I'm hoping I'm the only one who wants a 55 Limeolive :)
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:45:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oops. I suspect that cat's outta the bag (I need to look up the origins 
>> of that phrase) and they've shut down the unofficial pre-order pipeline. 
>> "The phone won't stop ringing!" 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

Yeah, I called too and was told to wait.  Maybe we should just create a 
google dock and see if our intended purchase quantities exceed their 
supply.  I'm hoping I'm the only one who wants a 55 Limeolive :)

Tom

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:45:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oops. I suspect that cat's outta the bag (I need to look up the origins of 
> that phrase) and they've shut down the unofficial pre-order pipeline. "The 
> phone won't stop ringing!" 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Tom Wyland]

Something to try that made my Albatross handlebars more comfortable:  tilt 
down the bars a bit so the grips are slightly lower than the hoops of the 
bar.

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:25:11 PM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> Is your neck pain from extending your neck? Did you have similar pain when 
> using the drop bars? Other pains/problems?
>
> Like you, I prefer the forward position of albatross bars-- it feels 
> natural for me, perhaps since I like to lean forward.
>
> If you would like a more upright/cruising position to try, I suggest 
> tilting the saddle nose up a little bit. The up-nose position makes me feel 
> more comfortable sitting upright, and less comfortable leaning forward. 
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> arlington ma
>
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:11:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Stumbled upon this thread and have some questions about my own Albatross 
>> fitting. I converted to these bars from drops. I've yet to fall in love 
>> with them and have problems with neck pain on rides longer than 30 miles. 
>>
>> I'm on a threadless bike and have tried a few stems and configurations 
>> with the same bars, a total of four positions. I have 110mm and 90mm stems, 
>> both with 17º rise. I've tried them with the stems flipped in both 
>> configurations. I should also add that I'm on a 60cm bike that is a little 
>> big for me. I've got less than a fist full of seat post showing. 
>>
>> My current configuration is with the 110mm stem set up to give the most 
>> rise. I find myself, in all configurations, favoring the grip in front of 
>> the brake levers. 
>>
>> Anyone out there have any ideas for improved fit?
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 4:38:20 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Pete, just got the Choco bars from Blue Lug as Riv is our with no 
>>> known delivery time.  I paid a $27 premium for 2 shipped so not bad.  
>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-5 Pete P wrote:
>>>
 I first tried upright h’bars on my older Atala bike. Just to see if it

 would work for me. I bought Albatross bars and it was a revelation!

 So on my Atlantis I ditched my noodle drop bars and chose the Choco

 bars - just for variety.  I  like both of these. (I won’t go back to 
 those

 now uncomfortable drop bars). 

 They both have their plusses and minuses. The Albatross are wider and

 Go through the doorway with more caution. The Choco bar doesn’t rise

 up as much but the position on the curves is a favorite of mine. You 
 can’t go wrong with either one!


 Pete

 On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:33:05 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Roberta.  
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 4:11 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that the *bars* are the same shape and size; 
>> they differ in the stem attachment. I have  the c-m ones because that's 
>> what came with the bike. The norm version is more versatile. 
>>
>> There is a lot of choco-love here   Good luck with your search. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-5, Joel S wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Roberta.  It is the Choco Norm I am thinking about. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

I would have plunked down a deposit last fall for one of these, but if I’m 
not in front of my computer for the right hour next month I may miss 
grabbing the inventory they ordered.  That also seems wrong. There are 
technology mechanisms like Kickstarter and pre-Sales that are designed for 
this purpose.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 1:08:37 AM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> As a product person - it's wild that Blue Lug is getting these frames and 
> releasing them into the wild before Riv has a chance to. I know how laissez 
> faire Grant is and all, but still wild. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Racers on a Cheviot?

[Tom Wyland]

Ive seen this done with other Cheviots as well.  You can put that cable 
stop much closer to the seat tube, though.  I guess with the guides on the 
bottom of the top tube you'll need to put on a dia-comp housing holder or 
something similar to run it along the top.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:07:22 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Thanks, Jeff. Right after I posted this, I found this old pic from Adam 
> 
>  
> who had Racers on front and rear and I can see here where the clamp-on 
> cable stop could work for the rear. (Adam seems to have pretty wide tires 
> on this too, maybe 50's.) I guess the earlier Cheviots had housing stops on 
> the top side of the diaga-tube rather than the bottom.
>
> Thinking I'll give this a shot. 
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 9:50 AM 'Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh and I ran Schwalbe Road Cruisers which (I think we're x44) and my 
>> recollection was that they had to be taken down a bit for removal, but 
>> clearance was way fine when riding.  This is a sketchier recollection, I 
>> should add.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:47:58 AM UTC-5 Je Mar wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Justin,
>>>
>>> I ran Paul Racer's on my Chev (thanks, Jon Dukeman of CO!) for awhile 
>>> before I picked up some R559s.  Riv sells a little clamp-on cable stop (tho 
>>> i don't see it on the site now) that can be mounted down near the pump peg 
>>> (if I recall correctly) to accept the housing to work with Racers.  I'm 
>>> only a hack-plus wrench and I was able to do it, so I imagine the more 
>>> gifted among us would have no probs.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Jeff in Arlington, VA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy 
>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>
 I've used Tektro R559's on my Cheviot from the start but was recently 
 considering upgrading to something different due to a slight but annoying 
 mechanical issue on the front caliper. (The release lock is stuck so in 
 order to remove the front tire, I have to fully deflate and squeeze it 
 between the pads.)

 I noticed on Will's Staff Bikes page that he has a Paul Racer on this 
 Chev 
 
  
 but only up front. Guessing it's because the rear geometry wouldn't allow 
 a 
 hanger placement for a center pull?  

 Has anyone else used this set up? Do Paul Racers have clearance for 
 700c x 50mm tires? The tires in Will's pic look pretty wide and he's 
 running a fender too so it seems like there would be plenty of room. 
 Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: Leah Peterson Takes A Stand

[Tom Wyland]

Good for you, Leah!  I serviced my first headset and bottom bracket last 
fall.  It felt good.
I have a fender-mounted taillight but always wound the wire under the 
bottom bracket, out the non-driveside chainstay and out the fender 
support.  Aesthetics aside, I never understood the under-fender approach.  
It seems like it it would leave the wire open to damage by rocks or ice 
chunks getting kicked up under the fender.  I guess that's not too 
different from under-bottom bracket damage potential.  

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 11:00:09 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Tomorrow I am doing a new thing because Leah Peterson Took A Stand and now 
> has no excuses. 
>
> The crappy electrical tape the LBS used to tape my dyno wire under my 
> fender is (predictably) falling off...again. I need to remove the rear 
> wheel, which I have never ever done - and clean the fender (I’m thinking 
> with alcohol) and then try to secure the wire until the good tape arrives 
> from Analog. I’m afraid that this will all go south on me and I will have a 
> unicycle. 
>
> I’m going to watch like 15 YouTubes tonight. Wish me luck. 
>
> Darn this new stand,
> Leah 
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:54:26 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I like my Bike Hand stand but it's my first so no point of reference with 
>> other stands. I agree it is a pain to work on a bike on the ground. The 
>> Bike Hand isn't great at rotating the position of the bike but it holds a 
>> heavy bike well.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 10:04:27 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, that got your attention. 
>>>
>>> I’m not actually taking a stand so much as BUYING a stand. I have had it 
>>> with trying to work on a bike on its kickstand. Tonight I tried to put 
>>> sealant in my tire and the tire deflated and my Clementine tipped over. 
>>> Hopping mad...that would be an apt description of me in the garage tonight. 
>>> I’m sick and tired of wrecking my back and fed up with the awkwardness of 
>>> working on a bike that is always threatening to tip over. I’m taking a 
>>> stand against not having a stand.
>>>
>>> I know Rivendell sells a stand but last I checked, it is sold out and 
>>> also $$$. Is there anything that makes their stand worth waiting for? 
>>>
>>> I don’t have many preferences, save two: I don’t want something that 
>>> takes up a bunch of room, and I want the clamp to be on the seat post. (Not 
>>> the frame.)
>>>
>>> You’re the best!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Anyone have toe overlap issues?

[Tom Wyland]

According to BikeInsights the tire-to-pedal-spindle on my current bike is 
about 10cm.  I sometimes hit my toe on my (sks) fender at low speeds. It's 
not terrible but I wouldn't want any less room.  I noticed that the Sam has 
like 2 cm less toe overlap than my current bike. This is one reason I 
gravitated towards the Cheviot and Platypus where the front-center is 
longer (just a guess on the Platypus).
Does anyone else have toe overlap issues?  Is it just my size 13 feet that 
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[RBW] Re: $500 commuter bike as a low-budget AHH?

[Tom Wyland]

A Handsome Devil is basically a  tig-welded SAM.   It looks similar to the 
bike you linked, but it's double-butted 4130 and has canti brakes.  Room 
for 45s without fenders, 38 with fenders.  I have one.

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:23:42 PM UTC-5 Nick in Sac wrote:

> Awhile back, I worked for a bike shop that had these as rentals. They were 
> a nice ride but equipped with pretty low-end components and made with a 
> hi-tensile steel frame. At the time, I wasn't aware of Rivendell or Grant 
> Petersen's design philosophy. I didn't pay much attention to them.
>
> However, looking at Homers but lacking the budget to build one, my mind 
> went back to these:
> https://www.brooklynbicycleco.com/collections/bedford-collection
>
> It also appears that Grant designed their bikes in some capacity: 
> https://www.brooklynbicycleco.com/blogs/journal/five-things-that-matter-on-bike-frame-geometry-with-grant-petersen
>
> Am I cuckoo for thinking that this would be a good option for someone on a 
> really tight budget or someone who has a partner or spouse who rides 
> occasionally? I just emailed them about tire clearance and am waiting to 
> hear back. From what I remember, they came stock with a 32 and had room to 
> spare.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

So the website has been updated for Feb '21 now. Anyone heard about timing? 

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Re: [RBW] Chainstay dimples and kickstand kisses

[Tom Wyland]

kickstandholeplugmonkey  -  where can I find one - TAKE MY MONEY!

My double Pletscher has one of the Pletscher-specific rubber top plates. 
Where it contacts the bottom of the frame I used a folded-over (2-layer) 
piece innertube. I'll let you know how it turns out when I remove it 
(haven't touched it in 6 years but will soon).

Tom 
Reston, VA
 

On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 10:47:04 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks again to all for input and replies.
>
> And thanks to Dave S for recommending the frame-specific kickstand plates. 
> Got a pair, they work great. Part of the trouble with the existing plate 
> (installed by previous owner or their mechanic) is that it was a modified 
> Pletscher plate. Had to be modified to clear the chainrings. 
>
> I removed the stand because it was super stiff and it wasn't closing. I 
> dry brushed it and then blasted it with penetrating oil, which is 
> disgusting. I then cleaned it as well as I could with several passes with 
> brushes, rags and compressed air. Then appleid some Boeshield. 
>
> I touched up the frame damage shown in the original post by lightly 
> sanding and then applied some Testors. I wrapped some Newbaums on the stays 
> and carefully re-installed the kickstand. It works like a new kickstand 
> with lots of snap and a feather touch to open and close. 
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 11:04:37 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> I have a double kickstand on my El Clem, sans sandwich. No problem so 
>> far, though I heard some early kickstand plates on other models were 
>> susceptible to breaking or bending. I have a Hubbuh as well, but I do not 
>> like kickstands on tandems, prefer to lean. My Susie has a place holder, 
>> aka  "kickstandholeplugmonkey "
>>
>> [image: IMG_20201101_075648061.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_20201023_082239488.jpg]
>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 9:55:26 AM UTC-5 Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>>
>>> I have a HubbuHubbuH tandem with a kickstand plate. I found that when I 
>>> added the upper part of the "sandwich" that there was SUBSTANTIALLY more 
>>> stability to the kickstand.  Loaded with panniers, I was convinced that the 
>>> kickstand plate alone would have been torn off. YRMV
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 6:20:00 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 Does installing the kickstand with the upper part of the "sandwich" 
 confer some benefit--maybe spreading the stress load a bit more? I thought 
 having a brazed on kickstand plate like Rivs (and this Surly) have 
 eliminated the need for that top clamp. 

 I agree the bike should be fine with those dimples. Long term, if the 
 paint was compromised, it may start to rust in that spot and eventually be 
 an issue. But even without attention, should last till most of us are no 
 longer concerned about it.

 On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:36:21 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com 
 wrote:

> P.S. My Soma Saga came with a kickstand installed, and whoever built 
> the bike (probably American Cyclery in SF) used thick rubber between the 
> kickstand and the frame to prevent dimpling of the top of the chain stays 
> (there’s a kickstand plate on the bottom).
>
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Dec 28, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Iecently removed my Pletscher bipod kickstand and noticed some 
> mutilation to my chainstays. Pictured below is my LHT, the kickstand was 
> installed by the previous owner. The sight brought to mind Grant's 
> warning 
> on the kickstand hardware listing: "This is one of those terribly useful 
> aftermarket problem solvers that can save the day or wreck your frame, 
> depending on how you attach it." 
>
> Just how bad is this? Cause for concern or shall I carry on? 
>
> Thanks for your collective wisdom. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is there a Riv-like three speed currently in production?

[Tom Wyland]

Linda,

I took some quick photos 
of
 
my semi-clean bike's welds.  It's a 2014 Devil.  The powder coat is tough 
and there was frame saver already applied when I got my complete 8-speed 
back then. I've changed out many of the parts with the exception of the 
bottom bracket, headset, crankset and derailleur.  I can fit bike tires 
(38mm with fenders and 47 without on the diamond frame), but it lacks a 
kickstand plate.  The fork has mid-fork mounts but lacks a second set of 
eyelets at the front dropouts.  The tubing is (double-butted 4120) 
somewhere between a touring bike and something like a surly cross check.  
So on the heavy side of "light touring."
I'll add the Jesse at Handsome is pretty quick to answer emails with 
questions.  

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1w8-_zHLdoH7qtsU25oNcMCUDavuQEEoc?usp=sharing

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Is there a Riv-like three speed currently in production?

[Tom Wyland]

Handsome Cycles if you prefer 
drops:  
https://handsomecycles.com/products/limited-fredward-road-3-classic-black-tan

Take a look at the Devil geometry on Bike Insights.  I have one and it's 
very Sam-like.  Maybe even a little more stretched out.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Chambray shirt deal alert

[Tom Wyland]

I purchased one of the "cloud" shirts.  They have a 10% new customer 
discount if you sign up for emails.  So it was only $30.

On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:30:02 AM UTC-5 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:

> I've got a medium on the way as well.  I have no idea what a chambray 
> shirt is, but I do need some shirts and I know that any info that pops up 
> in this group is solidly reliable!!
>
> On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 06:18:11 UTC-8 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>> thanks to dan's hot tip, i've got a medium on the way that's supposed to 
>> show up today.  i'd be happy to take some more comprehensive pre-wash 
>> measurements lest ye fellow chambray wearers not be misfitted.
>>
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 12:17:42 AM UTC-5 Benz Ouyang, 
>> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>
>>> I’m not sure if the size refers to the pre-shrink or post-shrunk 
>>> measurements, because if you looking around at the other items, even the 
>>> ones not expected to shrink (like the polyesters), the sizes are all the 
>>> same. So it’s likely the latter than the former.
>>>
>>> I’m really just asking if the sizing is correct, because 42.25” is quite 
>>> large for a size small. Maybe they’re intended to be loose, but the 
>>> description also isn’t terribly helpful . I like when sites list the 
>>> model’s height and weight, and the size of the clothing the model is 
>>> wearing, to give a more practical and useful reference.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 7:16:44 PM UTC-8 velomann wrote:
>>>
 "...is the sizing correct? Their small has a chest size of 42.25", 
 which is 21" pit-to-pit and definitely a little large for a small. Is that 
 the "Riv fit" you're talking about?"

 The site says the fabric is NOT pre-shrunk. Buy the size you normally 
 wear, wash it, and it should fit like normal after first wash and dry.

 Mike "Fan of Levis 501 shrink-to-fit" Mann

 On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 7:43:52 AM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
 Sunnyvale, CA wrote:

> Hey Dan, is the sizing correct? Their small has a chest size of 
> 42.25", which is 21" pit-to-pit and definitely a little large for a 
> small. 
> Is that the "Riv fit" you're talking about?
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 7:48:26 AM UTC-8 danmc wrote:
>
>> Edgevale has their chambray shirt from last year on close out for 
>> $34. I have been really happy with this shirt. The fabric is not 
>> pre-shrunk 
>> but a good wash and dry gets it to a perfect Riv fit - not fitted with 
>> room 
>> to move. At $89 they were a good deal. At $34 it is a crazy good deal. 
>>
>> https://edgevaleusa.com/collections/sale/products/elwell-chambray
>>
>> Sewn in the US from Japanese fabric. 
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> San Rafael CA
>>
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[RBW] Platypus 2021 Nooooo

[Tom Wyland]

I saw that the delivery timeframe was updated to 2021.  The good news is 
that I bought my Silver crankset before the Sams dropped. Now they are sold 
out.  The bad news is that I won’t be building a Platypus until next year.

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[RBW] Re: Riv "unprepped" frames

[Tom Wyland]

Great, thanks, Collin!

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 12:43:04 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> I recently built up one of their "unprepped" frames.
>
> The headset cups are installed, but you'll need to insert the cartridge 
> bearings and seals (no tools needed) on them and then install the threaded 
> fork and nut (wrench needed).
>
> BB is already installed, but i'd pop it out, grease the threads and 
> re-install.
>
> You'll also have to attach the headbadge yourself, don't forget it if you 
> plan to pick up the frame!
>
> Good Luck!
> Collin in Sactown
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 9:30:28 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Hi, does anyone know if the headset bearings are pressed into the frame 
>> on a Riv "unprepped" frame?  The prep service mentions installing the fork 
>> and adjusting the headset.  It's unclear on the website 
>> <https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/i-want-my-riv-frame-prepped>
>> .
>> I don't have a headset bearing press, so that seems like the only reason 
>> I'd get the frame prepped. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Tom
>>
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[RBW] Riv "unprepped" frames

[Tom Wyland]

Hi, does anyone know if the headset bearings are pressed into the frame on 
a Riv "unprepped" frame?  The prep service mentions installing the fork and 
adjusting the headset.  It's unclear on the website 

.
I don't have a headset bearing press, so that seems like the only reason 
I'd get the frame prepped. 

Thanks!

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Platypus: First Look

[Tom Wyland]

Well, all my bikes have fenders and I've found there is nothing more
annoying than a fender that rubs the tire when you go over bumps, etc.  I
always size them 10mm wider than the tire.  So a 43mm tire isn't going to
work very well with 45mm fenders unless the tires inflate to much smaller
than the stated width.

I'm having similar mental gymnastics, but not around fenders.  I'm thinking
about a crankset for my Platypus.  I guess you can't go wrong with the
Rivendell Silver, but I'm looking for a vintage triple I can put a bash
guard onto, maybe?

Tom


On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 2:30 AM masmojo  wrote:

> These are 45MM should work well!


> https://ridepdw.com/collections/fenders/products/full-metal-fenders-city-size?variant=14871301488697
>
> I too have some wood fenders I am planning on using. I was just up in the
> general direction of HQ and called to see if maybe I could stop by and see
> a prototype, but they shot me down. :-(
> Would have been nice to help me make my mind up and visualize the whole
> thing.
>
> Leah, I don't think I'd worry about getting the fenders MM perfect; as
> long as the fender covers the majority of the tire it should be fine; 90%
> of the spray comes off the center of the tire anywayz.
> On top of that how many 700 X 50mm tires are there at this point?
> Some 43MM Gravel King slicks would probably be Ideal for a build like this!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Tom Wyland]

>
> Wow, I was so excited about this bike and... well I don't like either 
> color.  Teal and Avocado (?), but neither of them the forest-service green 
> or orange (or silver, or black) I would like. I guess I'm out and waiting 
> for another run.  Maybe I'll just get a Sam.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Tom Wyland]

The product page is up!
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-platypus-2020-eta-november
ers-bunch/dd18919a-16e4-4737-94fd-2d8a430e5bc5%40Spark 

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[RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Tom Wyland]

The color looks great - the red equivalent of the new HH gold color.  I 
guess I'll need to wait until tomorrow to find out the production colors.
Are there rack mounts on the top of the fork crown? It looks like there's 
something there.

Tom

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[RBW] WTB: Tall Quill to 1 1/8 Adaptor in Silver

[Tom Wyland]

Hi, I'm looking for the tall (220mm+) version of the quill to threadless 
adaptor.  Will the COVID bike boom they seem to be out of stock everywhere. 
There are plenty of the 80-110mm ones.  Silver is preferred.

If you have a tall quill stem that's 80mm or less reach that might work as 
well.  25.4 clamp size

Why am I not buying a new Nitto stem?  It's for a project and I'm not I 
want to stick with the 25.4 handlebars that are currently on the bike.


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[RBW] WTB: Cup-and-Cone Bottom Bracket Tools

[Tom Wyland]

Does anyone have a pin spanner, lockring spanner, etc sitting around that 
they are not using?  Like a Park Tool HCW-4 or similar.

I've scored a 1980 "I-rode-it-one-season-and-it's-been in-my-garage-since" 
Fuji that requires some work ;-)




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[RBW] Re: Who Wants to Play "Name that Drivetrain Noise?"

[Tom Wyland]

This thread is the craziest bit of bulletin board wrenching I've ever 
seen.  Well done!

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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for wet fall

[Tom Wyland]

A friend of mine was quite happy with Neoprene socks and sandals during the 
winter.  I just wear my doc martin pull-on boots (guachos) or another pair 
of shorter chelsea-type pull-on boots (leather, non-lined).  Not ideal for 
long distances, though.

On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 12:09:36 PM UTC-4 tuolumne bikes wrote:

> Check out Crocs Swiftwater Mesh. I have previous version without drainage 
> holes. They are a tighter fit than most Crocs, but still very light and 
> grippy. Seem to be on sale everywhere.

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

[Tom Wyland]

I thought they looked great, but were too hard for my "soft computer 
hands." They were also slippery when wet. I prefer the more spongy Velo 
Orange "cork blend grips" 
 which are 
softer and can be mounted without glue. They are closed on the end, though, 
and require modification for use with bar-end shifters.



On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 3:45:47 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> Love mine. Have used them for years on my Surly CC and now Cheviot with 
>> Albatross and Bosco bars.
>>
>
> They are coolish in the summer, and not-super-cold in the winter. I do not 
> treat them or shellac them or anything, I let them get a little grimy from 
> natural use, which makes even better.
>
> My hands don't sweat nearly as much on them and they stay grippy.  I 
> bought spares for future shortages. I tried other grips and always go back 
> to the cork.
>
>> .  
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 59 Clem L Chameleon Green

[Tom Wyland]

Hi, what's your DMV? Can you post some pics?

Thanks,

Tom

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 11:53:45 AM UTC-4 care...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> Hoping to sell my Clem L.  The front wheel was rebuilt with a Son hub (the 
> Edelux II light is included).  I swapped out the 12 cm Technomic for a 10 
> cm dirt drop (I can include an 11 cm Technomic if you'd like).  I don't 
> have the use of my right hand, so a dual pull brake lever controls both 
> brakes.  There are brand new Big Apples on right now, and I'll include some 
> Compass Antelope Hills.  I'll also throw in a set of VO fenders.  There are 
> some scratches on the chain stays and a few paints chips.  I'm asking 
> $1000.00.  It would be great to find a buyer in the DMV, but I'd be happy 
> to send it out of my LBS. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
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