[RBW] Re: BRP

[Trenker]

Wouldn't a white racist just pocket the money? 

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 4:21:35 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Towards Doug's very kind suggestion let me add this product that Rivendell 
> Bicycle Works now sells on rivbike.com:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/brp-contribution
>
> If you like the program, consider buying that product.  If you don't, then 
> don't.  Easy peasy.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 1:09:55 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>
>> One way to support this effort is to donate any unused Rivendollars to 
>> the program.  Over the years, many of us have donated to RBW based on using 
>> these as store credits.  I for one have still got some, and I know others 
>> who were willing to give theirs to someone else.  Even though old 
>> Rivendollars don't help their cash flow, they could assist in "balancing 
>> the books" by being applied to this worthy effort.  
>>
>> I've already told Grant to use mine as he wishes, and call on others to 
>> pass yours along too.  
>>
>> Doug Peterson
>>
>> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 8:59:05 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
>>> Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement makes 
>>> me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Did anyone notice the Rivendell reference in The Irishman?

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"Blond guy is Jesse Plemons. Played Floyd Landis in "The Program" about 
Armstrong."

The plot thickens. 

And pork is keto; but that's obvious. 

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[RBW] Did anyone notice the Rivendell reference in The Irishman?

[Trenker]

 

Joe Pesci, as Russell Bufalino:

 

"There’s a pork store up in Northern California. Right around Walnut Creek. 
You’re from up there ain’t you?

Yeah. And you might even know the guy that runs it.

Actually I’m lookin' for a little favor. For him...not for me. But if you 
can get him a ticket, like to Australia...you know what I mean. You wanna 
help him get down there?"

 

(I won't give away any spoilers, but "a ticket to Australia" does not refer 
to an airline ticket in this context. Could "pork store" be a kind of mob 
slang for "a shop that sells non-racing bicycles?")

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

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"I have lots of issues with straight white shirtless guys on bikes"

Do you have a method you use  to detect the sexual orientation of shirtless 
white guys on bikes?

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[RBW] Re: Eat Bacon Don't Jog and Coconut Oil

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You really have to wonder why doctors don't just go to bicycle chat groups 
when they need scientific advice. What a bunch of dummies, eh?

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

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I think some of you are missing the main point. 


The extra-long chainstay is kind of like the foot-long hot dog. 


Now let’s say you’ve got a big strong man, maybe he’s been on a diet and 
he’s kind of angry because of that; to him, the foot-long hot dog makes 
perfect sense. Just like it makes sense to have extra-long chainstays for 
taller riders, so all of their weight isn’t over that back wheel. 


Then imagine you’ve got a little kid, and you take him to the fair. He sees 
the foot-long hot dog, and he wants it. He doesn’t need a foot-long hot 
dog, but it’s kind of cute if he gets it, maybe he doesn’t even eat the 
whole thing and a seagull gets part of it. No harm done, Jimmy got what he 
wanted and had a nice day at the fair, maybe he’ll remember it all his 
life. 


I don’t know if the inventor of the foot-long hot dog became rich or 
famous; but his/her invention did, and maybe a hundred years from now the 
extra-long chainstay will enjoy the same acclaim. You could call it moving 
the rear wheel back, or if you want to be more positive, you could call it 
moving the rest of the bike forward. 


On the other hand, you have to wonder why they didn’t go with extra-long 
seatstays instead…



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[RBW] Re: Eat Bacon Don't Jog--Goal set, goal met

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Freshly baked bread that smells like when your mother used to make it. Or 
home-made doughnuts, sprinkled with icing sugar, or natural honey that 
smells like the flowers that the bees made it from. Is a nice cold beer on 
a hot summer’s day a source of carbs? I know a coke poured over ice when 
you are really thirsty would be. 


Even something like an apple picked from a tree, or a bowl of corn flakes 
sprinkled with white sugar (do you like to put the sugar on before, or 
after the milk? Quiet!) , a slice of blueberry pie with vanilla ice cream, 
a boiled potato with a little salt and butter, a freshly made crepe with 
whipped cream in France, a heaping plate of fragrant basmati rice—and let’s 
not even mention a cup of hot chocolate on a cold winter’s day.

.

Steamed carrots, again with butter, roasted sweet potato, fried plantains, 
chewing on a stalk of sugar cane that you chopped down with a machete, a 
pastry in a café in Vienna, chicken paprikash, chocolate birthday cake with 
icing, I almost forgot a juicy ripe peach at that special time of year, a 
toasted tomato sandwich with salt and pepper and mayonnaise… 


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Re: [RBW] Re: The RBW Website has a new look...

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A Woolgathering of Baconchewers? 



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[RBW] Re: The RBW Website has a new look...

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How about a Rivendell of Earth-muffins? 

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[RBW] Re: 700 x 45-50 options

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"How about the Schwalbe Thunderbert  700 x 2.1. A friend is running those 
on his Atlantis and felt a big difference over the 700 x 50 Marathon 
Mondials that he replaced. Steve"

These sound good. I like Schwalbe tires, I've never had one that wasn't 
well-made. How are they for riding a whole day on 70 % pavement/ 30 % 
gravel? I used to have legs like tree trunks but now I want something that 
makes life a bit easier. 

David



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[RBW] Re: 700 x 45-50 options

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Thanks, both of those look interesting.

 I could use a Marathon Supreme 50 as well. It would be fine, however 
ideally I prefer some tread, I have slid out and crashed on the slick 
Marathon Supreme on wet pavement; I learned not to exceed those limits but 
it's nice to have a margin of safety. 

Incidentally I have to wonder about some kind of conflicted feelings of the 
Maxxis guy who comes up with names for their tires. “Torch” conveys to me 
something combustible that burns up fast. Another one of my favourite 
strange Maxxis names is “Detonator:” not sure that is the image I want to 
be rolling along on.   :-)






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[RBW] 700 x 45-50 options

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What is available in tires 700 x 45-50 for commuting and touring? For an 
Atlantis on synergy rims. I have used Marathon Supremes in 700 x 40. They 
are really nice tires and I have toured with them. Most of the paved and 
unpaved roads in my area are fine with these, but some newly laid gravel 
can need a wider tire. 


I have Compass 700x44 and they are very light tires. For touring they’d be 
all right because even if I get a flat every couple of days it doesn’t 
matter, since I stop to rest anyway. But they are hardly bigger than the 
Compass 700x38, they measure about 40-42 mm on my rims. For combined 
touring and commuting I want something a bit sturdier than the Compass and 
a bit lighter construction than the Marathon Supreme, at least 45 mm wide.  I 
want to make good use of the clearance on the Atlantis.


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[RBW] Re: Stovetop Espresso (moka pot) tips please

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Just make coffee. You don't need to purchase a certain brand name. You are 
trying to buy an experience based on advertising and what random strangers 
on the internet recommend according to what they bought. But you probably 
have everything you need there already. 

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[RBW] Re: Since we are talking handlebars...mythbusting and are bars like saddles?

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" Is there such a thing as the "best bar"? "

" *the "best" is whatever works for you, the rider."*

I agree with this sentiment. How can a handlebar on its own be 
"comfortable", or not comfortable? It is a non-moving piece of metal. 

It depends on your setup and how your bike fits, on how you ride, the 
cadence you pedal, the route you are riding, and even your fitness and 
skill on the bike. 

For an individual it can be more measurable than "personal preference," for 
example if you find a bar that results in less hand pain and less 
numbness...but I think it is almost meaningless to state that a given 
handlebar is "comfortable" in and of itself. 







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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Trenker]

Yes! In my case, I hang back and make darn sure I can "sustain it" before I 
pass anyone...   :-)

I've had a couple compliments for my Atlantis. One was by a mountainbike 
racer, who immediately focused on the rear triangle and noticed there was 
good clearance there, which I thought was quite astute. 

Another compliment came from a group of university lads in a car ( they 
love to shout out words of encouragement ): "Nice bike, Fag!" I responded 
with the only thing that came to mind, "Nice car, asshole!" All part of a 
pleasant ride. 




On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 2:42:20 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Nah. At least in my case, I'm comfortable on my Rivs, thus enjoy riding, 
> thus I ride them more, thus my engine is better then most folks. I get 
> passed at my normal speed, and I pass folks at my normal speed. I do not 
> speed up to pass or ride with. What's the point? Less enjoyable riding. 
> Grin.
>
> However on those occasions when I pass someone on the latest and greatest, 
> there is a certain and pleasant satisfaction on the part of my engine. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 12:27:05 PM UTC-6, Trenker wrote:
>>
>>
>> So people who ride Rivendell bikes ( or own Rivendell bikes? ) are subtly 
>> or openly persecuted…yet possess a  hidden reserve of strength or 
>> willpower that enables them to blow past riders of other brands of bikes 
>> when the situation arises…?   :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

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So people who ride Rivendell bikes ( or own Rivendell bikes? ) are subtly 
or openly persecuted…yet possess a  hidden reserve of strength or willpower 
that enables them to blow past riders of other brands of bikes when the 
situation arises…?   :-)




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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Abandoned Lake Shore Line

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Thanks. 

David


On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 11:47:29 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Spectacular adventure! I love it!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 9:02:26 AM UTC-6, Trenker wrote:
>>
>>  For the second half of the day I made my way slowly back to my home, one 
>> of those marches where you go slower and slower and take more and more 
>> breaks as you near your destination, but there were definite periods of fun 
>> and enjoyment as well.  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b24BS-ScvQ4/V8hBM6K-fnI/ADw/XN7jp-qp30IpnOxEkVEPMK_1wTK_rcFawCLcB/s1600/IMG_3330.JPG>
>>
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[RBW] Ride Report: The Abandoned Lake Shore Line

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The first picture doesn’t show that behind me is a 200-foot sandy cliff. I 
had been having a nice time in SWO, did some fishing in the Nith river and 
was in the middle of a morning ride along Lake Erie when I came to a 
barrier with a sign, “Road Closed”, and a path beyond it that looked like 
an opportunity to follow what had once been a road. I couldn’t tell how 
long it had been abandoned. At first the going was pleasant, riding on a 
faint path through knee-high weeds, here and there signs saying danger, 
etc. then I came to the reason the highway had been abandoned: a huge 
desolation where the lakeside had caved in, no way to go down the cliff, so 
I had to follow the desecration around the edge of the cliff and hope that 
there was some passable trail on the other side, or go back and retrace my 
steps. I chose to push on, and soon found myself in a jungle of chest-high 
vines. I had to carry the bike on my shoulder, at one point I realized I 
was crossing a split-rail fence which was somewhere beneath my feet while I 
waded through the vines, sometimes coming to a complete stop and having to 
disentangle myself. I emerged at the edge of a cornfield, which I could 
follow where it skirted close to the edge of the cliff. The corn was over 
my head, providing a nice cover for my passage, and there were some jimson 
weeds growing at the edge.  When I got to the far side of the defile I had 
to pass through the jungle again, at one point my bike was secured fast and 
I toppled forward but ended up suspended a few feet above the ground. My 
chain was caught in an ancient branch. I managed to free it with no damage 
except for a snapped zip tie on the front basket.  I made it through the 
jungle and then had to walk between an impenetrable forest and a tobacco 
field, finally coming out in the ludicrous situation of walking down a 
farmer’s driveway which had a gate at the end that I had to lift the bike 
over, and a sign that said “no trespassing” pointing the opposite way from 
which I had come. 


I had made it back to the road, and soon found a beautiful secluded beach 
where I could strip down and have a swim, however it could have been easily 
reached by the usual road without the jungle exertions, a road that also 
featured a campground with a sign that said “bikers welcome” which did not 
mean bicyclists. Through this exploration the Atlantis comported itself 
admirably, although I had been carrying it much of the way, in other words 
it had been riding me instead of me riding it. For the second half of the 
day I made my way slowly back to my home, one of those marches where you go 
slower and slower and take more and more breaks as you near your 
destination, but there were definite periods of fun and enjoyment as well.  






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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Shimmy ???

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Last summer I was on a short bike trip thinking to myself, during that time 
on the bike when you have lots of time to think, that I have never been 
bothered by shimmy on any bike that I could remember. The same morning I 
kept hearing a knocking sound while pedaling or gliding at low speed, which 
went away when I put both hands lightly on the handlebar. I gradually 
figured out it was the fender knocking against the tire, and I realized 
that I had always experienced shimmy, but never realized it or been 
bothered much by it. This is on a 66 cm Toyo Atlantis with rear panniers 
and a front basket. The same morning I was having the prolonged impression 
of how much I liked this bike for touring. 


During that trip I had enough time to experiment and ponder the shimmy, and 
I realized that it only happened at low speed, and that at higher speeds, 
eg. descending on asphalt or gravel, the bike was rock solid. Which is a 
nice concession. 


I think shimmy can be finely tuned in or out of a bike. Going to a slightly 
narrower tire can improve things, as can pumping up the front tire to the 
same adequate pressure as the back; it isn’t written in stone that the 
front tire has to be at a lower pressure. 


Even the road surface can affect or initiate shimmy: it looks flat but 
there are subtle undulations caused by car tires; they are a lot more 
obvious on gravel roads, before or after intersections. 


If you are tweaking your setup to reduce shimmy, you can test it at home by 
standing beside the bike and rapping the side of the handlebar with the 
heel of your hand: you will be able to see if the vibrations focus on the 
front end ( shimmy ) or condense around the back end of the bike ( ideal, 
which I now have with a small basket on front and saddlebag tied to a small 
home-made rear rack.) Tomorrow morning I head out on another short trip and 
I’ll have plenty of time to see how I like this setup. 


I suspect that tall riders on big bikes probably always experience a 
certain amount of shimmy, as well as a certain amount of frame flex, but we 
are used to it and don’t know any different. I wonder what size your 
Atlantis is? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

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I think that Skenry makes some valid points. If the idea is to “just ride,” 
then who cares what kind of bike someone else chooses? 


Rivendells are really nice bikes. They are sturdy and good-looking and made 
to last. They are also expensive. I think when you buy something expensive 
there is a tendency to give it great reviews because it cost so much; for 
example, I got a pair of expensive shoes for weddings/funerals, and I felt 
great when I wore them. They even seemed to fit extremely well. But the 
cost of a shoe doesn’t have anything to do with how well it fits. I think 
when someone talks about “the ride” of a Rivendell they are showing some 
consumerism and elitism because the ride of a bike depends mainly on the 
tires and the fit of the bike. 


Re. a kid’s bike by Rivendell: There was an aborted attempt at one once, 
and it was going to be called Rosco Bubbe. Or maybe it was Bosco Rubbe at 
the time.  It would have been a nice bike, but I don’t think kids need an 
expensive bike, and I don’t think most kids are going to ride a bike with a 
semi-ironic name like Roscoe Bubbe. Kids are very attuned to what their 
peers are using and they like bikes that are sporty and give an impression 
of speed. A great bike for kids is the bmx bike, they are still popular and 
are generally fun to ride, simple and durable. 





 
 

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[RBW] Re: Interesting flower I saw on ride today.

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I am not certain what this flower is ( Tulip tree? Carolinian Body 
Snatcher? ) but I wish there were more posts like this. :-)


On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:57:28 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I also noticed treefuls of purple trumpet looking flowers that I never 
> notice in this area before. Gorgeous outside today in Maryland on the Grist 
> Mill Trail.
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[RBW] Re: Removing shellac on paint

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Methyl hydrate; but don't inhale. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Back to the Drawing Board for Kid Bike

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There may be nothing wrong with the bike. I noticed with my kids when they 
learned to ride a bike, they had a certain pattern of pedaling that they 
preferred: to stand up and pedal for a number of strokes, then to sit and 
coast briefly, then to stand and pedal again. It may have something to do 
with the bike being a significant fraction of the weight of a small child, 
and the power produced by their little legs being very limited. It's like 
one of us having to pedal a hundred-pound bike. I think this may be just a 
natural way for small children to ride a bike. 

And I recall my son never changed gears either, and he never wanted his 
saddle raised to the "proper" height we would use as adults. 

If he's having fun, maybe just let him do what feels natural? :-)


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[RBW] Re: Atlantis completes the Pacific Coast

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Nice trip, and tight bike. 

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[RBW] Re: My Touring Bike

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It handles well with the basket. For example, if someone gives you a 
blueberry pie to take home, it is the optimal system for that application. 
:-)



On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 7:06:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Very nicely done.  Nothing unusual, just bringing it all together in a 
> single package.  How does it handle with a full basket?  Do you ever think 
> that a dbl TT would improve it  in any way?
> Michael
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-4, Trenker wrote:
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-oeofh10E1PU/Vgm9S7KYLTI/ACU/_-hVJCBkUUc/s1600/IMG_2354.JPG>
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[RBW] My Touring Bike

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Re: [RBW] My Touring Bike

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Thanks. It is a standard 66 from a few years ago, I like the size for me. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

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Kick-ass bike. :-)



On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 3:08:47 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote:

 This is the Krampus: 

 https://plus.google.com/photos/+JohnLamping/albums/5995658591943182593?authkey=CKDxg7ehtuv6QQ
  

 July 1st, I leave Banff on the Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail. 

 On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  FWIW, Bruce Boysen, formerly of the iboblist, was a demon singletrack 
 rider 
  who said he'd regularly leave his fully suspended, 10 speed peers behind 
 on 
  his rigid singlespeed 29er. (His signature used to read, please excuse 
 me, 
  big, rigid, and single.) He rode no-retention. IIRC, Bruce as almost 
 my 
  age; in his 50s at any rate. 
  
  Anne, relax, there are many idiots out there, don't let them get to you. 
  
  Rohloff, belt drive -- is this the Krampus? Photo? 
  
  I agree wholeheartedly with Eric: what works for you may be very 
 different 
  from what works for me, but that doesn't mean either set of choices 
 hasn't 
  been well thought out. 
  
  But I am eager to see BQ's evaluation. 
  
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[RBW] Re: Rivs and Disc Brakes

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If joy is unconditional, why do you care about disc brakes? 

On Saturday, May 9, 2015 at 7:24:52 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:


 Mike and Patrick ,You almost had me going into a de-bait about discs 
 !Almost !   


 I'll just say this :  Since my first ride with a banana seated little 
 bike  . no advancement , whether it be my first 3-speed , or my first 
 10 speed , or my first real good bike .. none of these has made bike 
 riding any more enjoyable than it originally was, and forever IS !   Every 
 and any refinement is akin to pocket change, it does not, and cannot add 
 or subtract from the essence of the joy of the experience, because true joy 
 is unconditional and immaterial and thus not subject to any-one or 
 any-thing ! 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

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If you call yourself an Unracer doesn't that mean you still have some form 
of preoccupation with racing? 

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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

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Sounds similar to the Sport Minivan. 

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[RBW] Re: The new cycling revolution starts NOW! With one custom bike part! (Modified Silver Shifter)

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Very nice work. 

What you call over-thinking used to be called thinking, I think. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.

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I wonder what the average weight of a Rivendell owner is? 

:-)


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Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.

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I would say that parody has been achieved. 

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[RBW] Re: Clem on the Blug

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It looks like it's gradually evolving into a Surly. 

( Surlies are really good bikes. )

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem on the Blug

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It says on the blug that there will be bottle mounts. On they will go.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem on the Blug

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:-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

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I'm not sure taking a bike to outer space would be such a good idea. 
There's nothing to ride on up there. 

 
  On Saturday, August 2, 2014 1:23:03 AM UTC-4, Metin Uz wrote:

   Agreed. You can even take a bike to outer space and its tires 
 won't explode (at least if you keep it at reasonable temperatures).




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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam's Pedigree...

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I have a 66 cm Quickbeam and a 66 cm Atlantis. I would agree with Mr. 
Powers that the Quickbeam is not a lightweight tubeset. 

Rivendell advertised the Simpleone as having 0.9/0.6/0.9 tubing all around, 
and I would be surprised if the Quickbeam is any lighter. 

The main difference I can detect between the Quickbeam and Atlantis is that 
the Quickbeam has a longer top tube. So you could call it kind of a 
single-speed touring bike. But it’s designed to be that way, let’s face it, 
Rivendells are strong bikes made to be ridden on rough surfaces, often by 
heavy riders. 

I’ve had mine since 2009 and I ride it a lot, I can’t say I’d change 
anything about it. 

To me there are a few questions:

Is a more flexible frame easier to pedal, and more efficient over long 
distances? I believe it is possible to feel the difference, but I am not 
sure anyone has proven which takes less energy to pedal. 

Is a stiffer frame with heavier tubing less likely to break? You would 
think so, but frames seem to break at certain spots, so you could ask if 
the top tube, for example, really needs to be that heavy. And is it 
actually better to have some flex built in at certain points to take stress 
off other parts of the frame? 

There are a lot of things to ponder while just riding. :-)




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Re: [RBW] Re: Nanoreview, Barlow Pass 700x38C on Dyad

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Barlow E.L. tires on my Quickbeam, with new A23 wheels made by Rich L. 
Smooth and quiet (the tires, not Rich L.).

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