Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[William Lindsay]

OK and these Treks and Fujis and Crusts don’t have to solve a problem
because they conform with each other.

OK, the objective problem with all those Treks Fujis and Crusts is none of
those bikes ride like a bike with 50cm chain stays

You are welcome.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca.

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 5:02 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Bill
>
>
>
> I would say “solve some objective problem not addressed by all other
> bikes *or be an improvement* by all other bikes”  regardless of the
> logical/philosophical issue of Rivendells existing or nor.
>
>
>
> Also, I think most of us would agree “all other bikes” would the bikes you
> see in Trek store, a Fuji store, a Specialized store, a Crust website, a
> Walmart sporting goods section, etc.  I am not thinking about designs which
> may exist in the world where bikes are used in lieu of motorized vehicles
> and not just as a recreational diversion.
>
>
>
> John Hawrylak
>
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *William Lindsay
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 6:57 PM
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do
> They Solve?
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> OK so you are saying that every bike on earth that is currently available
> are all in one group and Rivendells are not in that group.  In order  to be
> allowed to exist a Rivendell must either conform with the first group’s
> designs or solve some objective problem not addressed by all other bikes.
> Is that it?
>
>
>
> BL in EC
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 3:43 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Good challenge, what I was thinking is what problem with bikes is the long
> C/S solving?  I thought it was a straight forward question.
>
>
>
> I suggest *eliminate* “in bike design” and problems or current
> deficiencies refer to the current bikes available.Another way of saying
> it is what “improvements” in bicycles result from the Long C/S.
>
>
>
> So far the responses indicate Long C/S improve
>
> Overall handling, seems to apply to all surfaces.
>
> Comfort, especially from bumps in the surface.
>
> Climbing and Descending single track type trails (like the ones in the RBW
> pictures on Mt Diablo).  The climbing improvement appears to due to
> improved weight distribution vs improved bio-mechanical items.
>
>
>
> John Hawrylak
>
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 5:19 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They
> Solve?
>
>
>
> The OP asked: "*What problem or current deficiency in bike design is
> Grant solving by using long chain stays"*
>
>
>
> What exactly is this entity you call "bike design"?  If you can define
> that, perhaps I can respond to your question (emphatically stated with FOUR
> question marks)
>
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 10:50:18 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown
> NJ wrote:
>
> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?",
> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems
> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
>
> upright riding
>
> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>
>
>
> I'll just note 2 'facts'
>
> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use
> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with
> long stays.
>
> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a
> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were
> solutions to actual problems.
>
>
>
> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by
> using long chain stays*
>
> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
>
> Or do they solve a real problem???
>
>
>
> John Hawrylak
>
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>
> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm
> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[William Lindsay]

John

OK so you are saying that every bike on earth that is currently available
are all in one group and Rivendells are not in that group.  In order  to be
allowed to exist a Rivendell must either conform with the first group’s
designs or solve some objective problem not addressed by all other bikes.
Is that it?

BL in EC

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 3:43 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Bill
>
>
>
> Good challenge, what I was thinking is what problem with bikes is the long
> C/S solving?  I thought it was a straight forward question.
>
>
>
> I suggest *eliminate* “in bike design” and problems or current
> deficiencies refer to the current bikes available.Another way of saying
> it is what “improvements” in bicycles result from the Long C/S.
>
>
>
> So far the responses indicate Long C/S improve
>
> Overall handling, seems to apply to all surfaces.
>
> Comfort, especially from bumps in the surface.
>
> Climbing and Descending single track type trails (like the ones in the RBW
> pictures on Mt Diablo).  The climbing improvement appears to due to
> improved weight distribution vs improved bio-mechanical items.
>
>
>
> John Hawrylak
>
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 5:19 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They
> Solve?
>
>
>
> The OP asked: "*What problem or current deficiency in bike design is
> Grant solving by using long chain stays"*
>
>
>
> What exactly is this entity you call "bike design"?  If you can define
> that, perhaps I can respond to your question (emphatically stated with FOUR
> question marks)
>
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 10:50:18 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown
> NJ wrote:
>
> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?",
> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems
> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
>
> upright riding
>
> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>
>
>
> I'll just note 2 'facts'
>
> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use
> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with
> long stays.
>
> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a
> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were
> solutions to actual problems.
>
>
>
> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by
> using long chain stays*
>
> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
>
> Or do they solve a real problem???
>
>
>
> John Hawrylak
>
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>
> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm
> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno

[William Lindsay]

I run 8 of 10 on a Grand Bois 120mm cassette hub. My typical setup is to
start with a 12-30 Ultegra 10 speed cassette. The largest 3 cogs are on a
carrier (24-27-30) and I keep all of those. The other 7 cogs are all loose
and they are 12-13-14-15-17-19-21. I remove the 14 and one spacer. I remove
the 17 and 19 and one spacer and add an 18.  What I’m left with is:

12-13-15-18-21-24-27-30

That’s not the only way to go about it, but it’s what I’ve done so far. I
use 10-speed indexed down tube shifters and a 10-speed rear der. I just
turn the lower limit to block out two clicks.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 4:10 PM Peter Adler  wrote:

> Paging Eric Marth...this is basically what I was suggesting as a freehub
> option for a 70s steel frameset, avoiding the cold-set to 130mm.
>
> Bill, I take it that you had to use narrower spacers than standard, and
> use friction shifting (or 10-speed indexed with the high and low shifter
> positions locked out). Am I close? Or did the regular 10 speed spacers do
> the job? Do two cogs + spacers really equal 10mm? They were the riveted
> back two cogs, yes? Is there a Shimano splined 10 speed cassette available
> with all loose cogs?
>
> Peter Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:33:43 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> …or use a 120mm rear wheel and have a full on geared bike. I’ve fit 8 cogs
> with “10-speed” spacing onto a 120mm cassette hub from Grand Bois. A 2x8
> RoadUno would be pretty funny.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno

[William Lindsay]

…or use a 120mm rear wheel and have a full on geared bike. I’ve fit 8 cogs
with “10-speed” spacing onto a 120mm cassette hub from Grand Bois. A 2x8
RoadUno would be pretty funny.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca


On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 1:27 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You could singlespeed an existing frame, but this one is designed so you
> DON'T need a tensioner for it if you're definitely-fer-sure going to stick
> with one gear.
>
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:11:05 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> My area is way too hilly and I am way too old to entertain a single speed
>> (or two or three speed) anyway so its not something I am interested in BUT
>> I was still curious. If its designed to use a tensioner then why not just
>> single speed one of their existing bikes?
>>
>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:19:37 AM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> Correction - not track dropouts; horizontal facing forward (I think).
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:15:07 AM UTC-7 velomann wrote:
>>>
 Grant wants folks to be able to run a double crankset and front
 derailleur if they want. It's an odd duck for sure; 120mm rear spacing with
 track dropouts but a derailleur hanger. And there might be a braze-on for
 running a shift cable for a front derailleur if they can't find a good
 bolt-on option.
 Wouldn't be my choice but I'm getting one anyway ;-)

 Mike M

 On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:28:39 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Question about thatif it requires a string tensioner then what
> makes it a singlespeed specific frame? He said it had horizontal dropouts
> which is what would typically fix the need for a tensioner.
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:19:40 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> The PLP interview mentioned the samples coming late this month, and
>> the production frames probably pushed over new years now.  I have to say,
>> when Grant said it's essentially a singlespeed Homer, I became suddenly
>> interested.
>>
>> On Friday, 7 July 2023 at 09:44:49 UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> The mid-May Blahg did say December in purple and dark orange. Or
>>> purple and Sergio green.
>>>
>>> We will see!
>>>
>>> Love the idea of it,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:40:16 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The mid-May Blahg
 has em
 slated for December in purple and dark orange.
 Mack in Alberta

 On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 4:21:05 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The latest update they published was in February. saying they'd
> ship put of Taiwan in August/September.  That same email update said 
> there
> would be a lugged Susie shipping in June and Platypus in July.  The 
> Susie's
> don't seem to be here yet, so maybe push everything back a little.  
> October?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:54:59 PM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>
>> Anyone got any news/updates on availability?
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roaduno Dropouts

[William Lindsay]

I (for one) will expect 120mm O.L.D. The one and only reason to move to
135mm is so folks can use the wheels they have laying around for free.

120mm is the right O.L.D. for an actual single speed-OR-a modest
multispeed.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:42 AM Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> Hi JL:
> Hooded dropouts like these are sometimes referred to as Breezer-style, as
> Joe Breeze used them in his MTB. (IIRC, they predate Breeze, though.)
>
> Hooded style has advantages for builders and Riv: this one can be used at
> many different angles. Vertical dropouts, like on my Toyo AHH, have a fixed
> angle. As the frame size changes, the chain-stay to seat-stay angle needs
> to change (or the frame designer will have to compromise by changing stay
> lengths).
>
> Hooded style also can be welded (and brazed, I assume), which might offer
> flexibility in manufacture. Might permit a cheaper frame-construction
> option? The width probably offers a stiffness advantage, but I don't know
> how significant or important that might be.
>
> shoji
> arlington ma
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:20:39 AM UTC-5 J L wrote:
>
>> Can someone tell me the purpose of the hoods on dropouts like these? They
>> are referred to as Breezer style, right?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For sale Simplex Retrofriction shifters + Suntour hub

[William Lindsay]

Skewers or not, I’ll go ahead and take them. I might convert that rear to
an even narrower OLD. And I my convert both hubs to bolt on :)

Please do me a favor and DM me. I’m using my phone and it’s just allowing
me to reply to the whole rbw group.

BL in EC

On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 2:10 PM William Lindsay  wrote:

> Are the Suntour QR skewers involved in this offer?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 9:10 PM Ray Varella 
> wrote:
>
>> Shifters are sold, hub is still available.
>>
>> Before anyone squanders their discretionary income on bike parts…$25
>> invested in Apple in 2000 would be worth roughly $8,000
>> I don’t know where or when I acquired this hub, if anyone buys it I’ll
>> include a rear XC-Pro grease guard hub in never built condition BUT, the
>> hub had its axle chopped with a hacksaw, it’s about 130mm. It’s a freewheel
>> hub
>> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 11:09:49 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not criticizing the $50 price for the Suntour XC9000 hub, but I
>>> remember buying one from Riv in the early 2000's for...$20-25 USD which was
>>> a flat-out bargain. $50 is still more than reasonable for this classic. It
>>> is a beautiful smooth-running  hub; so nice I had a local wheel builder
>>> friend lace it to grey-anodized RM-17 rims with an older 105 rear bought
>>> from Sheldon Brown at Harris Cyclery for my 1993 X0-1
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:54:27 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
>>>> Up for sale is a lightly used pair of Simplex Retrofriction shifters.
>>>> Clean and very nice
>>>> $55 + shipping.
>>>> Suntour XC 9000 front hub.
>>>> 32 hole, NOS, never laced.
>>>> Very nice sealed bearing hub $50 + shipping.
>>>>
>>>> Email rayvarella007 at gmail dot com
>>>>
>>>> Local pickup in Vallejo CA is also an option.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>> Ray
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For sale Simplex Retrofriction shifters + Suntour hub

[William Lindsay]

Are the Suntour QR skewers involved in this offer?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 9:10 PM Ray Varella  wrote:

> Shifters are sold, hub is still available.
>
> Before anyone squanders their discretionary income on bike parts…$25
> invested in Apple in 2000 would be worth roughly $8,000
> I don’t know where or when I acquired this hub, if anyone buys it I’ll
> include a rear XC-Pro grease guard hub in never built condition BUT, the
> hub had its axle chopped with a hacksaw, it’s about 130mm. It’s a freewheel
> hub
> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 11:09:49 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I'm not criticizing the $50 price for the Suntour XC9000 hub, but I
>> remember buying one from Riv in the early 2000's for...$20-25 USD which was
>> a flat-out bargain. $50 is still more than reasonable for this classic. It
>> is a beautiful smooth-running  hub; so nice I had a local wheel builder
>> friend lace it to grey-anodized RM-17 rims with an older 105 rear bought
>> from Sheldon Brown at Harris Cyclery for my 1993 X0-1
>>
>> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 12:54:27 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> Up for sale is a lightly used pair of Simplex Retrofriction shifters.
>>> Clean and very nice
>>> $55 + shipping.
>>> Suntour XC 9000 front hub.
>>> 32 hole, NOS, never laced.
>>> Very nice sealed bearing hub $50 + shipping.
>>>
>>> Email rayvarella007 at gmail dot com
>>>
>>> Local pickup in Vallejo CA is also an option.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Ray
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[William Lindsay]

I have a set of used 9sp down tube Dura Ace shifters

I bought them when it seemed like a good idea because they were getting
more rare and expensive.

Corwin, if you still don’t have a solution in place next to week, I’ll be
near my stash and can work something out with you.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 6:43 PM Ian A  wrote:

> Re the Sunrace option. I noticed SjS Cycles in the UK carry these. They
> also have a good selection of square taper bottom brackets.
>
> I have always found SJS to be completely honest about what they carry, so
> you could email them and request an opinion. Reviews on the SJS site for
> the 8 and 9 speed shifters seem positive. The 8 speed version are
> particularly low priced.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 3:15:46 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Ah, interesting - amd I didn't know.  Here's  a set of concave baseplates
>> that would presumably be missing from the used thumby/lever combo, which
>> could hopefully complete that option.  (The Pauls have the "square" milled
>> -in.
>>
>> Longer levers are nicer than bar end levers anyway, which would be an
>> issue with the microshift option I guess.
>>
>> There appears to be a Sunrace-branded option available, but I have no
>> idea about quality.
>>
>> Concave plates on ebay:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324819072038?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=101=324819072038=1263104806006=m==9029376==14859008593=130497710760=pla-1263104806006=9300678=116345380=Cj0KCQjwy5maBhDdARIsAMxrkw0q0Dhcv0k34aQiah-q4Qeknx178WIqYsV5rHL0qlA8P4Zyyj_2oUgaAsr8EALw_wcB
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:39:25 AM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Keith, the Dura Ace bar end shifters bolt right on and look identical
>>> BUT the rear shifter pods are different.  The rear bar end shifters cable
>>> track begins further away from the shifter cable vs a down tube shifter
>>> pod.  What this means is after the 5th or 6th gear, the shifter cable is no
>>> longer guided by the groove.  If one is handy with a Dremel or file, you
>>> could extend the groove closer to where the shifter cable enters the pod.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:11:59 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>>

 I was first going to say  what mr ray did:  I'm happy with the quality
 of the microshift shifters that I have.  They're thumbie mounts, but the
 lever shape really seems to be intended as bar ends, so they probably work
 ok in downtube mode too.  Easiiest thing though would just be to get dura
 ace bar end shifter from Rivendell.  They're in stock and bolt right on as
 downtube shifters.
 On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:39:21 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Hi Keith -
>
> I've ruled out 10 and 11 speed as I want to be able to swap wheels
> between bikes and have several bikes with 9 speed setups.
>
> And I don't care if I have a friction option. Not sure how that
> impacts things unless I was interested in brifters (which I am not).
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Corwin
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:18:13 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Just thinking out loud and clarifying before I suggest something
>> wrong:
>>
>> If you use 10 speed shifters and want indexing, you'd have to use the
>> alternate cable attachment hack, right?
>>
>> 9 speed era and later, the dura ace cable pull was the same as other
>> shimano products, so you don't necessarily "need" dura ace, right?
>>
>> You don't care if you have a friction option, right?
>>
>> You've ruled out 10 or 11 speed altogether?  I understand if you
>> have.  I kerp doing the same thing but, honestly, it's often easier and
>> cheaper to find good 10 and 11 speed stuff these days.  It's just not as
>> pretty.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-6 cz...@sonic.net
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings -
>>>
>>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items
>>> stolen was my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. 
>>> The
>>> frame is now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for
>>> a while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have 
>>> seen
>>> three options recently:
>>>
>>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies
>>> on EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers
>>> (possibly at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies 
>>> and
>>> come out with a considerable savings.
>>>
>>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in
>>> Albuquerque for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am
>>> willing to pay someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send
>>> the shifters to me.
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Randonneuring Bike

[William Lindsay]

Nikko has gotta hear more about how I categorize bikes. He said “ i'm happy
to treat a cyclocross bike as a gravel bike any day. “

There’s nothing wrong with treating a cyclocross race bike as a gravel
bike. There’s nothing wrong with using your cyclocross race bike as a
gravel bike or riding it on a gravel ride. Similarly one can take their
cyclocross race bike on a road ride or a brevet or a commute. Those uses
don’t change the fact that the Rivendell Legolas is a cyclocross race bike.
That’s all.

Gravel Bike means a broad spectrum of things in 2022.  For me the main
differences between a gravel bike and a cyclocross race bike are the gravel
bike has a lower BB, wider tire clearance, a longer front center, and a
slacker STA (in my book). A cyclocross race bike is also set up to be
carried in cyclocross races.

Bill Lindsay
Somewhere near the border of Germany and the Netherlands.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 10:42 PM Nikko in Oakland 
wrote:

> Bill (via Toshi)
> Off topic, but I gotta hear more about this delineation between a racing
> cyclocross bike and an aggressive gravel bike. I have my own thoughts on
> the same topic, but i'm happy to treat a cyclocross bike as a gravel bike
> any day.
>
> On topic, I was dithering pretty heavily on whether or not my Legolas was
> going to be my brevet bike or not, and decided against it for some of the
> same reasons Bill mentioned. A bit too responsive (great for short rides
> and hard corners), and it's set up slightly more aggressive than my past
> rando bikes. I was initially hunting down a 60cm Rambouillet for brevets
> and commuting, but ended up stumbling upon a good deal on a Boulder Brevet
> that is literally the perfect bike for me.
>
> My two cents... Ram, AHH, Sam, Roadini, Roadeo are your better bets for
> rando, from best to least best (mostly because of luggage options and the
> such). At Del Puerto 200km 2021, I did see someone on a really sick ruby or
> red Atlantis.
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 4:08:10 PM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> Just 1 bit of advice for the weight in a front bag & saddle bag for a
>> Rivendell, I remember from a Grant P blog
>>
>> Put the heavy items, tools, tubes, extra clothes, extra food, in the
>> saddlebag .Put LIGHT items in the front bag, food until the next
>> control *and* items you will want to get while moving *or* not
>> dismounting.
>>
>> Since the Riv models have higher wheel flop (due to higher trail),
>> keeping the load light upfront minimizes the effects of high wheel flop.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 4:52:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for opinions/thoughts on the best Riv for Brevets, 200-400K
>>> rides. Looking for current models as well as older models. Thanks
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Miscellaneous old stuff for sale, not by me -- trying to pass on some interesting bits.

[William Lindsay]

I just deleted a post that pointed out there were no prices.  Since the OP 
has started a new thread with a clear list of prices, my post was no longer 
accurate, so I deleted it.  

Bill resume-shopping Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 10:02:21 AM UTC-7, bertin753 wrote:
>
> OK, Bill, I'll leave you out of all of this. Next question?
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Did Stevie ask you to sell this stuff for him?  Or are you just trying to 
>> help us out by making us aware of these unmarketed treasures?  
>>
>> Your item #4 claims to be a Suntour Mountech rear der, which is not 
>> pictured.  Your pictures show a Suntour Superbe TECH rear der which is not 
>> listed.  If that's just a typo on your part, I might want it.  The Superbe 
>> TECH is well documented to have been a lousy rear der, but it has an 
>> interesting internal mechanism.  If the price on that item is around the 
>> price of a paperweight, I would be interested in owning it as a 
>> paperweight.  I offer $10 plus shipping.  No rush
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Miscellaneous old stuff for sale, not by me -- trying to pass on some interesting bits.

[William Lindsay]

I have no more questions on these For Sale items that state no prices, 
 thanks

Bill

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[RBW] Re: FS: nuvinci wheel, raw bullmoose

[William Lindsay]

It's not a Richard Serra handlebar unless I can walk around inside of it, 
like I did in Bilbao last summer

On Monday, January 13, 2014 1:42:11 PM UTC-8, bicyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Spring Cleaning! I have two bigger items I'd like to move quickly to make 
 some bills. Everything OBO and local (oakland) pickup preferred.

 *Rich-Built Nuvinci 360 on a 36h velocity dyad, w grip shifter :: 300 
 shipped*
   tried it out, liked it, but I have more rear wheels than bikes 
 right now. No ability to have it keep sitting in my apartment anymore. 
 about 500 miles on it and pretty darn clean. lesnik built. thousands and 
 thousands more miles await and the rim is true as day, no damage.

 *RAW Riv Bullmoose :: 100 shipped*
   this is the original 150mm bull moose that riv put out a few years 
 back. i loved it, but my ulnar nerve doesn't, the clear coat has worn 
 through where i strapped a bag on the front end (between the triangle 
 truss). it doesn't bother me, and shouldn't bother you if you want to rock 
 a steel bar that is aging in nicely and will last your lifetime. With the 
 clear coat showing the surface rust growing, in another 15 years you can 
 look forward to having the richard serra of handlebars. 

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