[RBW] Re: What's the right saddle for a Roadeo?

[usuk2007]

+1 a wide saddle with deep sides looks strange on an agressively setup
bike with some handlebar drop.
I'm amazed that more folks on here haven't tried the Brooks narrow
saddles like the Swift.There are alternatives
to the B17.

I've seen the Berthoud saddles in the flesh (should that read leather)
and they look awful compared to the Brooks.
The back is plastic, the leather is mottled and the shape loots
malformed. They might be a dream to ride, but
just on looks a Brooks wins. I have B17s on my Ram, Atlantis and
Quickbeam and love them, but a B17 on
my racier Neo Primato would have looked too heavy and from what I read
wouldn't be as comfortable as the Swift
is turning out to be

On Mar 19, 6:10 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On Mar 19, 4:38 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> >  I just think
> > the B17 looks a little "clunky" on the Roadeo.
>
> i think it depends on the set-up too - a B17 is a fine saddle when the
> bars are at (or even above, as some like) saddle height.  in my
> experience, narrower saddles feel better when there is some handlebar
> drop and the bike is set-up for more aggresive riding.
>
> i think it's same as far as looks go to - wider saddles look just fine
> when the handlebars are up, narrower saddles look better with some
> handlebar drop.
>
> a b17 narrow would be another option.  that's a nice saddle for all
> you brooks fiends.

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[RBW] Re: What's the right saddle for a Roadeo?

[usuk2007]

I wasn't riding in bibs, but I did have padded briefs and a thin pad
in my knickers. I think my weight might be an issue too, at 190lbs I
was probably compressing the padding. On the Brooks I just bend the
leather.

On Mar 19, 4:09 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
> usuk2007: were you using cycling bibs or padded shorts with your
> Regal? Maybe that makes the difference. I find the Regal supremely
> comfortable, but then again, I wear bibs. Maybe my estimation would
> change without padding.
>
> aaron
>
> On Mar 19, 1:38 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> > Steve,
> > I hope the Regal is working for you. I found that after a few miles my
> > butt knew that it was riding on unyielding plastic and the padding
> > over it didn't help.
> > By contrast the Brooks Swift I'm now using feels wonderful. It really
> > is a matter of personal choice, and I can see the Regal or Swift on a
> > Roadeo. I just think
> > the B17 looks a little "clunky" on the Roadeo.
>
> > On Mar 19, 8:49 am, "Frederick, Steve" 
> > wrote:
>
> > > I prefer the Regal as well--it's on most of my road bikes.  I think it's 
> > > classic looks equal or in some applications exceed the aesthetic of a 
> > > stretched leather model.  The low maintennance and lighter weight are 
> > > just icing.
>
> > > It's interesting that you mention liking the Brooks Pro--you may already 
> > > know that the Regal was designed to emulate the fit and feel of a broken 
> > > in Pro, in order to win over skeptical racers when the idea of a plastic 
> > > saddle was fairly new.
>
> > > Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI
>
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Aaron Thomas
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:16 PM
> > > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > > Subject: [RBW] Re: What's the right saddle for a Roadeo?
>
> > > In fact, my favorite saddle is not a Brooks at all; it is a Selle San
> > > Marco Regal. I think the Regal looks just fine on my Romulus, some
> > > might even say "classico".
>
> > > Moreover, since it is leather stretched over some padding and a
> > > plastic frame, you can ride it in the rain without worries about
> > > sagging or keeping it covered to protect it from the elements. When I
> > > rode a B17 (which I didn't care for too much) and a Team Pro (which I
> > > actually did like quite a bit), I always found it a hassle to have to
> > > pamper and protect for fear of them getting water-logged and saggy.
> > > The Regal is carefree by comparison.
>
> > > Aaron
>
> > > On Mar 18, 1:33 pm, Joe Bartoe  wrote:
> > > > Actually, I wouldn't choose any of them. One need not ride Brooks 
> > > > saddles or some other slab of leather hammocked over a metal frame to 
> > > > be Rivendellian. Some of us prefer other choices. No saddle that is 
> > > > uncomfortable will ever grace my seatpost for long, and Brooks saddles 
> > > > have been known to grace my seatpost shorter than  most.
>
> > > > YB(utt)MV,
>
> > > > Joe
>
> > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:11:19 -0800
> > > > > Subject: Re: [RBW] What's the right saddle for a Roadeo?
> > > > > From: cyclofi...@earthlink.net
> > > > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > > > on 3/18/10 11:37 AM, usuk2007 at clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote:
>
> > > > > > I've seen the Roadeo with B17's and maybe Fizik saddles, but not one
> > > > > > with a Brooks Swift or Swallow which would seem to be the ideal way 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > go. Classic, but made to ride fast and they still have bag loops.
>
> > > > > Those would be my choices.  I think some of the issue is that there 
> > > > > really
> > > > > aren't that many out there yet.
>
> > > > > - J
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jim Edgar
> > > > > cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
> > > > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
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[RBW] Re: What's the right saddle for a Roadeo?

[usuk2007]

Steve,
I hope the Regal is working for you. I found that after a few miles my
butt knew that it was riding on unyielding plastic and the padding
over it didn't help.
By contrast the Brooks Swift I'm now using feels wonderful. It really
is a matter of personal choice, and I can see the Regal or Swift on a
Roadeo. I just think
the B17 looks a little "clunky" on the Roadeo.

On Mar 19, 8:49 am, "Frederick, Steve" 
wrote:
> I prefer the Regal as well--it's on most of my road bikes.  I think it's 
> classic looks equal or in some applications exceed the aesthetic of a 
> stretched leather model.  The low maintennance and lighter weight are just 
> icing.  
>
> It's interesting that you mention liking the Brooks Pro--you may already know 
> that the Regal was designed to emulate the fit and feel of a broken in Pro, 
> in order to win over skeptical racers when the idea of a plastic saddle was 
> fairly new.
>
> Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Aaron Thomas
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:16 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: What's the right saddle for a Roadeo?
>
> In fact, my favorite saddle is not a Brooks at all; it is a Selle San
> Marco Regal. I think the Regal looks just fine on my Romulus, some
> might even say "classico".
>
> Moreover, since it is leather stretched over some padding and a
> plastic frame, you can ride it in the rain without worries about
> sagging or keeping it covered to protect it from the elements. When I
> rode a B17 (which I didn't care for too much) and a Team Pro (which I
> actually did like quite a bit), I always found it a hassle to have to
> pamper and protect for fear of them getting water-logged and saggy.
> The Regal is carefree by comparison.
>
> Aaron
>
> On Mar 18, 1:33 pm, Joe Bartoe  wrote:
> > Actually, I wouldn't choose any of them. One need not ride Brooks saddles 
> > or some other slab of leather hammocked over a metal frame to be 
> > Rivendellian. Some of us prefer other choices. No saddle that is 
> > uncomfortable will ever grace my seatpost for long, and Brooks saddles have 
> > been known to grace my seatpost shorter than  most.
>
> > YB(utt)MV,
>
> > Joe
>
> > > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:11:19 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: [RBW] What's the right saddle for a Roadeo?
> > > From: cyclofi...@earthlink.net
> > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > on 3/18/10 11:37 AM, usuk2007 at clive.stand...@umassmed.edu wrote:
>
> > > > I've seen the Roadeo with B17's and maybe Fizik saddles, but not one
> > > > with a Brooks Swift or Swallow which would seem to be the ideal way to
> > > > go. Classic, but made to ride fast and they still have bag loops.
>
> > > Those would be my choices.  I think some of the issue is that there really
> > > aren't that many out there yet.
>
> > > - J
>
> > > --
> > > Jim Edgar
> > > cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
> > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
> > > Current Classics - Cross Bikes
> > > Singlespeed - Working Bikes
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> > > several miles to work. I'd sprayed it with some cheap gold paint so it
> > > wouldn't look nice. Locked my bike to a radiator, because you never knew,
> > > and went in."
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[RBW] What's the right saddle for a Roadeo?

[usuk2007]

I've seen the Roadeo with B17's and maybe Fizik saddles, but not one
with a Brooks Swift or Swallow which would seem to be the ideal way to
go. Classic, but made to ride fast and they still have bag loops.

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[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset

[usuk2007]

I have VOs Alpina 48/34 crank and I like it a lot, however, the sides
of the spider arms could be finished better. It looks good on an
lugged Italian bike though

http://www.wheelsofchance.org

I'd love to see a 110/74 or 95/58 readily available double so that I
don't have to use a 110/74 triple as a double.

http://wheelsofchance.org/2009/08/28/if-the-answer-is-42-whats-the-question/


On Mar 13, 10:46 am, "clevewh...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> When there are so many really beautiful non-anodized silver cranks out
> there I don't know why anyone would want an anodized one.  After a few
> miles of pedaling the anodizing will have worn off where the shoe
> scuffs. plus anodizing is often done because it's cheaper than
> polishing.  VO already carries three Sugino cranks, including the
> lovely Alpina 110bcd.  Their new offerings promise to be stunners, at
> least in my opinion.
>
> On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth  wrote:
>
> > For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings
> > sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv.
> > This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . .  and it even had a
> > third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74.
> > The Q is mid 150's.  If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my
> > choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino.
> > The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others.
> > They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD
> > instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one
> > cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your
> > crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm.
>
> > It's great that Riv and VO are adding some new tapered cranks, but it
> > sure would be nice for manufacturers to make cranks beyond 175 or even
> > 180. 185mm would be nice for many. but I understand the reluctant
> > mindset and misinformation about longer cranks is hard to counter.
> > People think they ruin their knees etc. Not true. Longer cranks
> > (185mm) have helped my knees tremendously. The 195mm High Sierra/Zinn
> > cranks would be fun to try, but they wouldn't work on the Bombadil
> > without either modifying the chainstays or using a too-long BB and
> > getting a bad chainline.

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[usuk2007]

Joel,
Thanks. I ended up getting a 54 cm (c-c) frame as the seat tube length
and standover
height are the same as my 56cm Rambouillet, which fits perfectly. Of
course the Neo Primato's horizontal
top tube and lack of significant headtube extension mean that the
front end is quite a bit
lower than the RAM..very un-Rivish. I compensated by leaving the
steerer a little
Iong and installing some headset spacers so that I don't have
unsightly amounts of stem
showing. I asked for a threaded steerer and De Rosa said no problem so
I have a quill stem
and about 3 to 4cm of drop from the saddle (just like Eddy ;-) ), I'm
still dialing it it.
The bike is great fun to ride. It's 74 deg angles and 41cm chainstays
make quick and significantly
more nimble than the Ram, not better just a different sort of
experience. I built it
up with mostly DA 7800 components, a Velo-Orange Sugino Alpina crank
and a Brooks
Swift which blows away the Selle Royal I started with. Now that i have
the bag loops I
can see some saddlebag credit card touring in this bike's future.


On Mar 1, 4:16 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > I completely agree, simplicity and classic lines make a nice bike,
> > hence my recent purchase from
> > De Rosa in Italy
>
> I remember we discussed sizing a while back but did not know you went
> ahead and bought the De Rosa.
>
> Very nice.  Very classic Italian look.  Bet it rides like a dream.
>
> On Mar 1, 2:37 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> > I completely agree, simplicity and classic lines make a nice bike,
> > hence my recent purchase from
> > De Rosa in Italy
>
> >http://www.wheelsofchance.org
>
> > On Feb 28, 7:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
>
> > > Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> > > there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> > > disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> > > designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> > > mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> > > simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> > > master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> > > saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> > > know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> > > be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> > > water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> > > intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> > > end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> > > this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> > > pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> > > simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> > > forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> > > innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> > > chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> > > as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> > > showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> > > those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> > > basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> > > timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> > > Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> > > Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
> > > pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
> > > back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
> > > peace of mind. Worked like a charm.
>
> > > Marty- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS - Observations - Longish Post

[usuk2007]

I completely agree, simplicity and classic lines make a nice bike,
hence my recent purchase from
De Rosa in Italy

http://www.wheelsofchance.org

On Feb 28, 7:32 pm, Marty  wrote:
> Got to see what all the fuss was about on Saturday morning. Granted,
> there was plenty there to be inspired by, but honestly I was a bit
> disappointed. Too much bling for me. Too many "sky's the limit"
> designs. Too many over-worked wanna-be-masterpieces that showed off
> mad skills with torches, welders and spray guns, but lacked the subtle
> simplicity that demonstrates the restraint and maturity of a true
> master - or the humility and honesty of an up-an-comer. Now I'm not
> saying I could do better. I've never built a bike from raw tubes - I
> know my limits. But it seems that the premise of the show itself may
> be a misnomer when so much of the work is done by CNC driven lasers,
> water jets and similar computer controlled machines. IMHO - the
> intricate detail made possible by computers adds little to the overall
> end result, and in many cases becomes a distraction. I may be alone in
> this opinion - there was a whole lot of drool left on everything that
> pushed the envelope in that regard. But gone was the Shaker-like
> simplicity, practicality and celebration of the fundamental practical
> forms that define two-wheeled transportation. No need to look for
> innovative little details that mark progress - it was in your face -
> chromed, polished and begging for attention. In many respects I felt
> as if I may as well have attended a Low Rider bike show. I guess I'm
> showing my age here, but the only booths I found myself lingering were
> those where the frames were basically triangles, the paint was
> basically one color - maybe two, and the overall vibe was that of
> timelessness. Hank Folson was there with his Henry James lugs. Richard
> Sachs with a pair of dirt-encrusted Cross bikes. Peter Mooney. Chris
> Bishop. Bilenky. (Way to haul in the whole workshop guys!) Plenty of
> pics on other sites, so you can judge for yourself. I found myself
> back my the room looking at the Flickr Rivendell pages just for some
> peace of mind. Worked like a charm.
>
> Marty

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[RBW] Re: Lightweight yet traditional and BOBish

[usuk2007]

..and there are always these, although they freak me out

http://www.barefootrunner.com/2009/03/review-vibram-fivefingers-classic/

On Feb 5, 3:33 pm, "Frederick, Steve" 
wrote:
> I use a pair of nylon convertable pants (zip off legs) and a casual wool 
> shirt for off-bike wear.  Get the pants with a mesh brief built in and you 
> can skip underwear.  Three pairs of socks suitable for on or off the bike in 
> rotation is a good way to go.  Re shoes, packable shoes that collapse and 
> snap together are good--pretty light and compact if not the best for long 
> walks.
>
> http://www3.dealtime.com/xPO-Tecnica_Tecnica_Pacmoc_Men_s
>
> Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of usuk2007
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:18 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Lightweight yet traditional and BOBish
>
> I ride in a pair of SPD shoes with recessed cleats that are good to
> walk in, but I agree about off the bike
> clothing. I take a pair of long Exofficio pants that are 0.6lbs and my
> smartwool long sleeve T-shirts
> look fine off the bike. I also have a long sleeve buttoned shirt.
> Shoes are an issue, but I've found
> that rubber soled Tai-Chi/Kung fu shoes are good for off the bike
> activities and going to the shower
> blocks.
>
> On Feb 5, 3:02 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 11:39 -0800, usuk2007 wrote:
> > > 20lbs for motel touring is excellent. If I'm doing that I just leave
> > > my
> > > tent, sleeping, bag, sleeping pad and cooking stuff behind and my
> > > gear, bags and rack weigh 16lbs
>
> > I find it's the off-the-bike clothing that does me in.  I have to carry
> > sandals or sneakers (sandals take up less space, but they're not light;
> > sneakers in my size just about fill one of my panniers) and I weighed a
> > pair of my pants: 1 1/2 lb without the belt.  That sort of thing adds
> > up.  But I'm not wearing cycling clothing off the bike - I find that
> > very uncomfortable - and I'm not going back to clips and straps.
>
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[RBW] Re: Lightweight yet traditional and BOBish

[usuk2007]

I like these! A pair weighs 10oz and packs down small. These are
slightly more expensive than a lot
of these types of shoe, but the sole material and quality are very
good. The sole is hard so you
can walk around town easily and the canvas top gives them a bit more
structure than flip flops

http://www.gungfu.com/htm-apparel/shoes/apparel-shoes-kung-fu-basic-tai-chi.htm

On Feb 5, 3:33 pm, "Frederick, Steve" 
wrote:
> I use a pair of nylon convertable pants (zip off legs) and a casual wool 
> shirt for off-bike wear.  Get the pants with a mesh brief built in and you 
> can skip underwear.  Three pairs of socks suitable for on or off the bike in 
> rotation is a good way to go.  Re shoes, packable shoes that collapse and 
> snap together are good--pretty light and compact if not the best for long 
> walks.
>
> http://www3.dealtime.com/xPO-Tecnica_Tecnica_Pacmoc_Men_s
>
> Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of usuk2007
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:18 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Lightweight yet traditional and BOBish
>
> I ride in a pair of SPD shoes with recessed cleats that are good to
> walk in, but I agree about off the bike
> clothing. I take a pair of long Exofficio pants that are 0.6lbs and my
> smartwool long sleeve T-shirts
> look fine off the bike. I also have a long sleeve buttoned shirt.
> Shoes are an issue, but I've found
> that rubber soled Tai-Chi/Kung fu shoes are good for off the bike
> activities and going to the shower
> blocks.
>
> On Feb 5, 3:02 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 11:39 -0800, usuk2007 wrote:
> > > 20lbs for motel touring is excellent. If I'm doing that I just leave
> > > my
> > > tent, sleeping, bag, sleeping pad and cooking stuff behind and my
> > > gear, bags and rack weigh 16lbs
>
> > I find it's the off-the-bike clothing that does me in.  I have to carry
> > sandals or sneakers (sandals take up less space, but they're not light;
> > sneakers in my size just about fill one of my panniers) and I weighed a
> > pair of my pants: 1 1/2 lb without the belt.  That sort of thing adds
> > up.  But I'm not wearing cycling clothing off the bike - I find that
> > very uncomfortable - and I'm not going back to clips and straps.
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[RBW] Re: Lightweight yet traditional and BOBish

[usuk2007]

I ride in a pair of SPD shoes with recessed cleats that are good to
walk in, but I agree about off the bike
clothing. I take a pair of long Exofficio pants that are 0.6lbs and my
smartwool long sleeve T-shirts
look fine off the bike. I also have a long sleeve buttoned shirt.
Shoes are an issue, but I've found
that rubber soled Tai-Chi/Kung fu shoes are good for off the bike
activities and going to the shower
blocks.

On Feb 5, 3:02 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 11:39 -0800, usuk2007 wrote:
> > 20lbs for motel touring is excellent. If I'm doing that I just leave
> > my
> > tent, sleeping, bag, sleeping pad and cooking stuff behind and my
> > gear, bags and rack weigh 16lbs
>
> I find it's the off-the-bike clothing that does me in.  I have to carry
> sandals or sneakers (sandals take up less space, but they're not light;
> sneakers in my size just about fill one of my panniers) and I weighed a
> pair of my pants: 1 1/2 lb without the belt.  That sort of thing adds
> up.  But I'm not wearing cycling clothing off the bike - I find that
> very uncomfortable - and I'm not going back to clips and straps.

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[RBW] Re: Lightweight yet traditional and BOBish

[usuk2007]

20lbs for motel touring is excellent. If I'm doing that I just leave
my
tent, sleeping, bag, sleeping pad and cooking stuff behind and my
gear, bags and rack weigh 16lbs

On Feb 5, 8:19 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 21:09 -0800, usuk2007 wrote:
> > Yes Henry Kingman's setup was an inspiration.
>
> That was an excellent article in Riv Reader, although I can't imagine
> myself ever being able to tour that light.  I need 20 lb just to do
> motel touring.

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[RBW] Re: Lightweight yet traditional and BOBish

[usuk2007]

I agree!!!
Igor's setup makes mine look like a Winnebago.

On Feb 5, 10:19 am, Tim McNamara  wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 10:13 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>
> > On Feb 4, 11:54 am, usuk2007  wrote:
> >> FYI here is a traditional three bag set up using some ultralight
> >> principles that will allow indefinite, unsupported, civilized, three
> >> season touring at a weight of 22lbs. It can be installed on any bike,
> >> road, touring, mountain as it requires no eyelets and even if you
> >> don’t have saddlebag loops you can buy simple clamp on ones or use a
> >> quick release Bagman. If I loose a few pounds I’m thinking of  trying
> >> this setup on my DeRosa Neo Primato. That would be touring on an
> >> Italian steel bike with Japanese components and English bicycle bags.
> >> Call me crazy, but I just love the idea of all those weird
> >> juxtapositions.
>
> >>http://wheelsofchance.org/2010/02/02/ultralight-setup/
> > This is great. Amazing how much "touring" one can do without a full
> > touring rig.
>
> In much of the world one can tour for weeks and months with nothing  
> more than will fit in a Carradice Nelson or Camper, since there are  
> an abundance of villages and hotels, B&Bs, chambres-d'hôtes,  
> pensiones and youth hostels.  Unless you really *want* to camp, which  
> I don't care for myself.  In the US credit card touring is expensive  
> because hotels and motels are severely overpriced in most cases; in  
> most other countries, much cheaper but good accommodations are easily  
> found.  I've seen report of people riding most of the way around the  
> world without having to camp (there are some places where human  
> habitation is too sparse to be reliable and camping ends up being  
> necessary).
>
> But even if you want to camp, you can readily get the weight below 25  
> lbs.  Reading "Crazy Guy On a Bike" and "Trento Bike" reports I am  
> amazed at how many people haul 100 lbs worth of crap with them on  
> bike tours.  It's like pedaling a Winnebago.  I remember reading one  
> report of a guy taking four hours to climb up the Col d'Izoard with  
> all his gear (it's about an hour's climb on the north side for a slow  
> climber like me; the south side is steeper but shorter).
>
> This guy pushes the limit.  Click on the little bike icon to see his  
> progressively more minimalist touring setups (and he starts out  
> pretty minimalist):
>
> http://www2.arnes.si/~ikovse/index.htm

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[RBW] Re: Lightweight yet traditional and BOBish

[usuk2007]

Yes Henry Kingman's setup was an inspiration.

On Feb 4, 7:39 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 09:54 -0800, usuk2007 wrote:
> > FYI here is a traditional three bag set up using some ultralight
> > principles that will allow indefinite, unsupported, civilized, three
> > season touring at a weight of 22lbs. It can be installed on any bike,
> > road, touring, mountain as it requires no eyelets and even if you
> > don’t have saddlebag loops you can buy simple clamp on ones or use a
> > quick release Bagman. If I loose a few pounds I’m thinking of  trying
> > this setup on my DeRosa Neo Primato. That would be touring on an
> > Italian steel bike with Japanese components and English bicycle bags.
> > Call me crazy, but I just love the idea of all those weird
> > juxtapositions.
>
> >http://wheelsofchance.org/2010/02/02/ultralight-setup/
>
> That setup looks a lot like the rig Henry Kingman used with the
> Rambouillet prototype, written up in Riv Reader around 2002.

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[RBW] Lightweight yet traditional and BOBish

[usuk2007]

FYI here is a traditional three bag set up using some ultralight
principles that will allow indefinite, unsupported, civilized, three
season touring at a weight of 22lbs. It can be installed on any bike,
road, touring, mountain as it requires no eyelets and even if you
don’t have saddlebag loops you can buy simple clamp on ones or use a
quick release Bagman. If I loose a few pounds I’m thinking of  trying
this setup on my DeRosa Neo Primato. That would be touring on an
Italian steel bike with Japanese components and English bicycle bags.
Call me crazy, but I just love the idea of all those weird
juxtapositions.

http://wheelsofchance.org/2010/02/02/ultralight-setup/

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam finished!

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I tour on my Quickbeam and run 16-18 Dos-Eno on one side and a 22t
freewheel on the other. The 32/22 combo is a good one for climbing,
but even that wasn't low enough for some of the 20% gradients on the
North Yorkshire Moors last spring.

http://wheelsofchance.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/gearchange.jpeg?w=468&h=351

http://wheelsofchance.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/hilly.jpeg?w=468&h=351

http://wheelsofchance.org/england-2009/



On Jan 18, 12:28 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> Looks nice!  That 32x19 might come in handy if you ever tour on it and
> face a difficult climb. I *rarely* shift over to mine (same set-up)
> and we have some pretty steep climbing here.
>
> I was thinking of a 15t fixed cog on the other side - how do you like
> the 16?  Too much spinning?
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>
> On Jan 18, 8:52 am, "Frederick, Steve" 
> wrote:
>
> > Oh no-in fact he said he's done several...
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of cyclotourist
> > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:49 AM
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RBW] Quickbeam finished!
>
> > Good to hear about Curtlo.   Looks like a very well designed bike! Cool 
> > that he's not reluctant to do 650b work.
>
> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Frederick, Steve < 
> > frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Thanks--I'm pretty pleased with it.  Those are fatty Rumpkin tires with SKS 
> > P-50 fenders-they fit fine, and with no TCO!
>
> > I wanted a slightly lower gear for freewheeling, so went with the 17-19 Dos 
> > Eno to balance my 16t fixed cog...
>
> > Re my Curtlo, yeah, it's custom built for 650b.  Doug was great to work 
> > with (it's my first custom) tho it took a lot longer to get to me than his 
> > estimate.  I understand that's common for him.  It is a fantastic bike--I 
> > got it late last fall so I've only put around 100 miles on it, but it 
> > handles and rides really nicely!  Best handling mountain bike I've ever 
> > owned, no kidding...
>
> > Steve
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: 
> > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of cyclotourist
> > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:41 AM
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RBW] Quickbeam finished!
>
> > The 650b QB looks great! Of course I haven't found a B-Bike that I don't 
> > think looks good!!!
>
> > Could you put on a 16/18 Dos freewheel to get the lower gearing?
>
> > Was your Curtlo a custom built for 650b wheels or did you fit them onto a 
> > 26" frame?  Looks like a very nice ride!
>
> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Frederick, Steve < 
> > frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > I finished up my Quickbeam this last weekend and took it out for a quick 12 
> > miles during a warm (upper 30's) snap on saturday.  I'm really happy with 
> > the way it rides and the fit is great, too!  My other Rivs are 54cm but I 
> > wanted a QB with 650b wheels so I took a chance on the 52cm and it's okay.  
> > The Tech. Deluxe stem's not even at the max height.
>
> > I set it up as a 3-speed with a 16t fixed cog on one side, a Dos Eno 17-19 
> > freewheel on the other and the stock 32/40/chainguard crankset.  The 
> > gearing is okay with the exception of the low gear--32X19 is just too low, 
> > I think.  I was twiddling like mad and barely doing 11mph!  We just don't 
> > have the extended climbs in this area to justify such a low gear, 
> > unfortunetly.
>
> > Since 32 is the biggest 74mm BCD ring made, I might have to lose the stock 
> > triple crank with ring guard setup, and switch to a more conventional 110mm 
> > BCD, 36-40 ring combo up front.  I think a 36X19 low gear would be about 
> > right...
>
> > Anyway, I put my favorite bartape on it, Fizik brand, in the metallic blue 
> > and I think it looks pretty good.  More pics in an outdoor setting once the 
> > sun reappears in, say April...B-(  The rear fenderline's wonky of course, 
> > to give room for shifting gears!
>
> > Couple of Rec Room pics:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/4283362608/
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/4282618103/
>
> > Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI
>
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[RBW] IHA (I Hate Acronyms)

[usuk2007]

There are just too many silly acronyms on this forum

IHA
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[RBW] Brand V handlebar bag review

[usuk2007]

95% of this bag is great, but the last 5% makes it a real pain to use.
I love the material, minimalist construction, velcro attachments and
the size is perfect. That's the 95%. However, the bag is ridiculously
difficult to get into. The single rear zip just doesn't offer enough
access so you end up blindly feeling around for items. A big
improvement would be to have a 3 sided zipped flap, then at least you
could look down into the bag and see stuff.

http://wheelsofchance.org/2009/12/27/new-loaded-touring-setup/
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[RBW] Brand V handlebar bag review

[usuk2007]

95% of this bag is great, but the last 5% makes it a real pain to use.
I love the material, minimalist construction, velcro attachments and
the size is perfect. That's the 95%. However, the bag is ridiculously
difficult to get into. The single rear zip just doesn't offer enough
access so you end up blindly feeling around for items. A big
improvement would be to have a 3 sided zipped flap, then at least you
could look down into the bag and see stuff.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadeo or Other

[usuk2007]

I understand the desire to ride before you buy, but why didn't you
consider
the De Rosa Neo Primato. That's lugged steel and you can even get it
with a threaded stem. De Rosa dealers will fit you before you buy as
well
and at $2k it's not a bad deal.

I had a similar decision to make as you a few months ago and almost
went
with the Roadeo, but the geometry was so similar to my Ram that I
decided
a 41cm chainstay, horizontal top tube, Italian lugged steel bike was
what was
missing from my bike collection.

Why not go to Riv, or any other store, and ride a few bikes to see
what you like then take that
geometry to Lyon with any small tweeks you'd like on your custom bike

On Jan 4, 4:54 pm, sjauch  wrote:
> I currently have a 2005 Specialized Allez Comp. It was my first road
> bike and it is about a size too big and only recently got comfortable
> riding it once I put an 80mm stem on it.
>
> Anyway I have been looking for a new road bike and want to go with a
> steel frame, preferably lugged. I have been eyeing the Rivendell
> Roadeo, as well as the De Rosa Corum (not lugged) and custom builders,
> Jeff Lyon and Circle A Cycles. I am very close to sending in a deposit
> to Jeff Lyon because of his experience with building the type of
> frames I'm interested in. However, I have resisted because I am drawn
> to the Rivendell Roadeo since it is similar to what I would like Jeff
> Lyon to build me. Also I am out in CA two or three times a year and
> stay pretty close to where Rivendell is located. So, I can visit them
> and test ride a similar frame to what I would be buying. They have 2
> 55cm's built up and I'm a 52 or 53, so even though It's not my size I
> can hopefully still get an idea of how it rides.
>
> I also really like the De Rosa, but none of the shops I called keep
> them in stock and if I am going to buy it locally I'd like to be able
> to take it out for a spin to see how things feel. If I'm dropping over
> 2k for that frame I might as well send my $ off to Lyon and let him
> build me something since I couldn't test ride that either and is
> probably more what I want.
>
> That brings me back to the Rivendell and Lyon dilemma. I want a lugged
> frame that is as light as practical and can fit fenders if I want to
> use them. I like the Lyon option because for about the same as the
> Rivendell I am getting something made just for me. However he is
> relying on the measurements and info I provide to make the correct
> frame. With the Riv bike I can visit them and let them take my
> measurements to determine which size Roadeo is the best fit.
>
> So I am really confused and am asking here to see which way some of
> you would go.
>
> Thanks!
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[RBW] What parts are going on Roadeos

[usuk2007]

Now that Roadeos are being delivered I'd be interested to know what
parts folks are putting on them. Campy, Sram, Shimano., TA Sugino,
Ultegra Dura Ace etc and what the cost is coming to.

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on ordering Carradice bag from europe...

[usuk2007]

Also try

http://www.wiggle.co.uk

They have excellent deals of Carradice stuff and good shipping rates
and speed.
I've ordered from them a few times and the service is great.

On Nov 21, 1:20 am, gerg  wrote:
> Hello,
> I am in the market for  Carradice Camper saddle bag. I cant find one
> in any stores in S.F. I have noticed that i can order one from SJS
> Bikes in london for around $110. Has anyone had any experience with
> this company and/or purchasing from overseas?
>
> Cheers
> gerg

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[RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

[usuk2007]

+1 on the saddlebag. A Carradice Barley needs no rear rack on all but
the smallest of bikes and you can use
a Bagman for a larger bag like a Nelson Longflap or Camper.

Here is a link to my setup. I'm carrying everything for an extended
tour and the only rack on the bike is an Expedition Bagman.

http://wheelsofchance.org/2009/08/23/carradice-expedition-bagman-review/


Also I'm not a fan of the "hupe" as it can easily mess up the paint on
the seat stays.

On Nov 20, 9:03 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Just get a small saddle bag then.  The least obtrusive is nothing,
> right?
>
> On Nov 20, 7:15 pm, jim_OLP  wrote:
>
> > Most people seem to be looking for the strongest rear rack they can
> > find. They're carrying engine blocks down pothole-lined streets, or
> > crossing Mongolia solo.  I want the opposite - the lightest, least
> > obtrusive rack there is. The rack for minimalists.   I want to use a
> > "trunk' bag but I hate the look of standard rear racks that bolt on to
> > the dropouts, and I'm never carrying anything at all heavy.  Ideally I
> > want something about 1/3 that weight and complexity.   What is out
> > there?

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[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to De Rosa Neo Primato

[usuk2007]

I too rode a smaller bike in the 1980's, but I was also 20 years
oldso is some of this just age. You know we get a bit older and a
bit less flexible and we go for bigger bikes.

I can possibly see how a 54 (c-c) Neo Primato would ride bigger than a
56 (c-t) Ram at the seat tube, but it's going to be smaller at the
front end.


On Oct 20, 9:56 pm, Horace  wrote:
> I have a similar experience. I currently ride a 59cm Romulus, and in the 80s
> and 90s I rode a 56cm Guerciotti.
>
> Horace.
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:51 PM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > OK, I get you.
>
> > In my experience, the sizes do go down.  My Hilsen was 59cm.   Late
> > 80s, early 90s I rode a 57 Basso.  I recently rode a friend's classic
> > 56 Masi and felt just fine.
>
> > On Oct 20, 8:24 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
> > > The Ram to the Neo Primato are very different bikes, so I'm asking if
> > > anyone has experience of riding both RBW geometry and the classic
> > > Italian Stage Geometry of the Neo Primato and what size would be good
> > > given that a rider fits a 56cm Ram well.
>
> > > On Oct 20, 5:26 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > > > At risk of this being your point, won't your use and riding position
> > > > on the De Rosa be different enough from the Rambo as to make any sort
> > > > of comparison moot?
>
> > > > On Oct 20, 3:32 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> > > > > To keep the relative sizing posts going I thought I'd put this one
> > out
> > > > > for consideration. I ride a 56cm Rambouillet and my stats are
> > PBH=81cm
> > > > > and Height = 5'10". What size De Rosa Neo Primato should I get? I'm
> > > > > tending towards the 54cm c-c (56cm c-t) as the 74 deg seat angle will
> > > > > put the top of the seat tube about 1cm above that of the Rambouillet.
> > > > > The horizontal top tube means that the standover is 80cm ( a little
> > > > > less than the Ram) and that the headtube is a couple of cm lower.
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[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

[usuk2007]

Yes, now we're on the same page. Of course after you cut that steerer
the threadless approach doesn't give you much upwards adjustment.
That's where I feel the threaded approach wins out.


On Oct 21, 10:01 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> "I'm not sure I get this. You can uses spacers with a threaded headset
> too. "
>
> Threaded steerers tend to be sized to the frame - i.e. the steerer is
> roughly 4-7 cm longer than the headtube to take up the stack height of
> the headset (30-50 mm) and maybe a few 5 mm spacers and/or a cable
> hanger, leaving a few threads for the top-nut. Riv's threaded steerers
> tend to be on the long side for any given frame size, which allows a
> bit more upward bar adjustment. But the point is that the frame size
> limits how high the stem can be raised. Of course, you could get a
> fork with a threaded steerer sized for a much larger frame, but I've
> never actually seen or heard of anyone going to such effort.
>
> With many frames that have threadless forks, including Surly, the
> steerer tube, as it comes out of the box, is the same length for a 14"
> frame as it is for a 22" frame. You can clamp the stem anywhere on the
> steerer tube and fill the gaps in with spacers. The maximum bar height
> with the stem at the top of the uncut steerer is the same for any size
> frame. It might look goofy to have a 16" frame with 6" of spacers, but
> it can be done.
>
> I always thought top-tube length is one of the more misoverestimated
> dimensions for frame fit considerations. For a classic geometry frame
> with a threaded steerer, it's much more important to get a big enough
> frame so the bars will be high enough, which is the RBW approach. With
> a threadless fork, which is extra long, the main variable to consider
> is effective top-tube length, because the height is no longer limited
> by frame size. (even then, rider weight distribution on the bike is
> more important than tt length, but for any given model, tt length is
> the variable we can look at)
>
> On Oct 21, 7:34 am, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure I get this. You can uses spacers with a threaded headset
> > too.
>
> > On Oct 20, 11:23 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>
> >  wrote:
> > > Actually what I was trying to say was that the frame size does NOT
> > > affect the handlebar height, provided you start with an uncut steerer
> > > and can tolerate a stack of headset spacers. This is a key difference
> > > between threadless and threaded, and one that is often misunderstood.
>
> > > On Oct 20, 9:35 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Chuck  wrote:
>
> > > > > On Oct 19, 11:29 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > > > > > Hey Bicycle experts, just for kicks, if I ride a 62cm framed 
> > > > > > Rivendell
> > > > > > designed bike, what would be the proper sized Karate Monkey for me, 
> > > > > > an 18
> > > > > or
> > > > > > a 20"?
>
> > > > > > The KMs seem to be the only production 29er frames out there with 
> > > > > > canti
> > > > > > bosses.  Gunnar Rockhounds don't have them anymore, and neither 
> > > > > > does the
> > > > > > Salsa El Mariachi.  Am I missing any other options (low cost, steel,
> > > > > 29ers
> > > > > > that take cantis)?  KMs seem to have less drop on their top tube 
> > > > > > which I
> > > > > > find better looking than the quick-drop angles on others.
>
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > David
> > > > > > Redlands, CA
>
> > > > > I don't know what your intended use is for the KM, or what type
> > > > > handlebars you plan to use, but I would take a close look at the specs
> > > > > before making a size decision.  That 22" version has a long (633.6mm)
> > > > > effective top tube.
>
> > > > > I ride a 62cm Surly LHT, and when I was considering building a drop-
> > > > > bar KM I pretty much decided that the 20" would be the best fit for
> > > > > me.  I changed plans completely and never started that project, so
> > > > > can't give you much more than that...
>
> > > > > Chuck
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>
> > > > I saw the effective on the 18" was almost 60cm, which is what my Riv 

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

[usuk2007]

I'm not sure I get this. You can uses spacers with a threaded headset
too.

On Oct 20, 11:23 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> Actually what I was trying to say was that the frame size does NOT
> affect the handlebar height, provided you start with an uncut steerer
> and can tolerate a stack of headset spacers. This is a key difference
> between threadless and threaded, and one that is often misunderstood.
>
> On Oct 20, 9:35 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Chuck  wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 19, 11:29 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > > > Hey Bicycle experts, just for kicks, if I ride a 62cm framed Rivendell
> > > > designed bike, what would be the proper sized Karate Monkey for me, an 
> > > > 18
> > > or
> > > > a 20"?
>
> > > > The KMs seem to be the only production 29er frames out there with canti
> > > > bosses.  Gunnar Rockhounds don't have them anymore, and neither does the
> > > > Salsa El Mariachi.  Am I missing any other options (low cost, steel,
> > > 29ers
> > > > that take cantis)?  KMs seem to have less drop on their top tube which I
> > > > find better looking than the quick-drop angles on others.
>
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > David
> > > > Redlands, CA
>
> > > I don't know what your intended use is for the KM, or what type
> > > handlebars you plan to use, but I would take a close look at the specs
> > > before making a size decision.  That 22" version has a long (633.6mm)
> > > effective top tube.
>
> > > I ride a 62cm Surly LHT, and when I was considering building a drop-
> > > bar KM I pretty much decided that the 20" would be the best fit for
> > > me.  I changed plans completely and never started that project, so
> > > can't give you much more than that...
>
> > > Chuck
> > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
>
> > I saw the effective on the 18" was almost 60cm, which is what my Riv bikes
> > are (59.5).  I lake knowledge on how that translates on a mtn. bike
> > though... is there some other factor I need to know about or something?
> > Just going off the top tube, the 18" frame would fit me, but as Jim
> > mentioned, will the bars be up high enough???  I intend to run Midge/Garys
> > FWIW...
>
> > THANKS!
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA
>
> > "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something
> > wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."  ~Bill Nye,
> > scientist guy
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[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to De Rosa Neo Primato

[usuk2007]

Excellent points.

I'm looking to have my bars between 1 and 2 inches below the saddle.
So I'm not going for a French fit, more of an Eddy fit. I'm going to
put in 18mm of spacers on the headset so that I have some adjustment
without showing a lot of stem. The shorter top tube is usually
compensated for by using a longer stem and I'm going 1cm longer than
on the Ram. The bike will have a traditional quill stem. I know how I
fit on the Ram, but the De Rosa is a whole new ball of wax. I've
ridden the geometry on one of those adjustable fitting bikes, but that
just isn't the same as riding the real thing. Just looking for folks
out there with experience riding both geometries.

On Oct 21, 5:17 am, gunnara  wrote:
> On Oct 20, 10:32 pm, usuk2007  wrote:> To keep 
> the relative sizing posts going I thought I'd put this one out
> > for consideration. I ride a 56cm Rambouillet and my stats are PBH=81cm
> > and Height = 5'10". What size De Rosa Neo Primato should I get? I'm
> > tending towards the 54cm c-c (56cm c-t) as the 74 deg seat angle will
> > put the top of the seat tube about 1cm above that of the Rambouillet.
> > The horizontal top tube means that the standover is 80cm ( a little
> > less than the Ram) and that the headtube is a couple of cm lower.
>
> much more important is the toptube length. That frame would be 1,5 cm
> shorter than 
> yourshttp://www.derosa.co.nz/webapps/site/78221/147326/info/gallery-view-t...
> so if you want to to ride it with your bars deeper under the
> saddlelevel than now it might fit, else you'd have to use a longer,
> upsloping  stem. A longer stem changes the riding characteristique and
> an upsloping stem changes the optics.
> Another thing is the saddle position, do you really want your saddle
> in this position or will you be ending up pushing the saddle
> backwards, that would lengthen your seating position but would also
> affect that bikes handling and everything, what i want to say - a de
> rosa with a rider who wants to achieve a rivish fit makes no sense, it
> would be much better to go with the roadeo or any other moderat racing
> stile sportsbike.
>
> Gunnar
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[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to De Rosa Neo Primato

[usuk2007]

The Ram to the Neo Primato are very different bikes, so I'm asking if
anyone has experience of riding both RBW geometry and the classic
Italian Stage Geometry of the Neo Primato and what size would be good
given that a rider fits a 56cm Ram well.

On Oct 20, 5:26 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> At risk of this being your point, won't your use and riding position
> on the De Rosa be different enough from the Rambo as to make any sort
> of comparison moot?
>
> On Oct 20, 3:32 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> > To keep the relative sizing posts going I thought I'd put this one out
> > for consideration. I ride a 56cm Rambouillet and my stats are PBH=81cm
> > and Height = 5'10". What size De Rosa Neo Primato should I get? I'm
> > tending towards the 54cm c-c (56cm c-t) as the 74 deg seat angle will
> > put the top of the seat tube about 1cm above that of the Rambouillet.
> > The horizontal top tube means that the standover is 80cm ( a little
> > less than the Ram) and that the headtube is a couple of cm lower.
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[RBW] RBW sizing compared to De Rosa Neo Primato

[usuk2007]

To keep the relative sizing posts going I thought I'd put this one out
for consideration. I ride a 56cm Rambouillet and my stats are PBH=81cm
and Height = 5'10". What size De Rosa Neo Primato should I get? I'm
tending towards the 54cm c-c (56cm c-t) as the 74 deg seat angle will
put the top of the seat tube about 1cm above that of the Rambouillet.
The horizontal top tube means that the standover is 80cm ( a little
less than the Ram) and that the headtube is a couple of cm lower.
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[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag

[usuk2007]

+1 on jacksrbetter making really good stuff.

I find mummy sleeping bags confining, but they are supposed to be that
way to eliminate draughts. I've used a quilt with wings for a couple
of years now and really like it. The Shenondoah is good for summer and
I go over to the Hudson River in the fall. If I'm camping in the
winter I add a Montbell thermawrap jacket

On Oct 17, 10:28 pm, Bone Killian  wrote:
> On Oct 13, 3:16 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> > Take a look at
>
> >www.jacksrbetter.com
>
> > They do a nice line of down sleeping quilts. They pack down small and
> > don't cost as much as many down bags.
> > They must be used with a sleeping pad and give you lots of options for
> > moving about.
>
> I have 2 JRB quilts, and heartily recommend them.  All of JRB's stuff
> is made in the USA, too.
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[RBW] Re: Sackville Shopsack!

[usuk2007]

The tote is the first sackville bag the I like, the rest look clunky
and ugly to me. I was going to buy a medium but Riv is sold out right
now.

On Oct 15, 2:42 pm, Lesli  wrote:
> I have one too. Mine has a nice rigid form that stands up on its own
> when placed on the ground.  I love the cotton duck fabric and two way
> ykk zips.  For revision, I wish they had gone with cotton rather than
> nylon webbing straps (I really prefer the handle of cotton webbing
> although it's nearly impossible to source top quality cotton webbing
> in the US these days)(ask me about it!).   I'd also tweak the length
> of the brass snaps... mine always fall a little short of  my basket.
>
> Looking forward to more Sackville products.
>
> Lesli Larson
>
> On Oct 14, 9:29 pm, amoll68  wrote:
>
> > Love mine, as well. It works perfectly with my medium Wald basket, and
> > also works well on my V-O porteur rack - though the dog snaps didn't
> > fit over the rails, so I had to add some split rings for that
> > particular application. Wonderful bag. I'm planning to buy another
> > one, just to have it on hand.
>
> > R/ Alex
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[RBW] Re: whatever happened to speedblends?

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Glad to see the back of them. Maybe most people thought like me and
they just didn't sell well

On Oct 14, 1:07 am, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> Just curious - did speedblends just go out of production or did they
> get shelved for some other reason? I've never ridden on tires with
> speedblend sidewalls - I just thought they looked cool.
>
> -sv
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[RBW] Re: riv vapor barriers

[usuk2007]

+1
Grant's description is long and complicated and VBs are complicated
too. They are really just for really cold weather, using them in
summer is difficult
as if you do sweat you wake up in a pool of water. The feel of them is
also a real negative. I find it far easier, and more comfortable, to
use layers of clothes to supplement my down sleeping quilt. i also put
the quilt out in the sun as often as I can to dry out any moisture
that might be trapped in the fibers

On Oct 13, 10:02 am, LyleBogart  wrote:
> Sleeping in a vapor barrier in temperatures above zero (that's
> fahrenheit) is just awful... it may keep you warm, but you'll also be,
> shall we say, quite moist... yuck.
>
> lyle f bogart dpt
> tacoma, wa
>
> On Oct 12, 9:09 am, pecanpie  wrote:
>
> > hi all
> > i bought the wiggy's sleeping bag and love it, but the vapor barrier
> > gives me the willies just touching it.that stretchy plastic feel just
> > gives me the creeps. have any of you bought the vapor barrier from
> > riv. im wondering if it is worth suffering through the weird feel if
> > it really works. i doubt ill ever be camping below freezing anyway. so
> > maybe i dont need it.
> > thanks
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[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag

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Take a look at

www.jacksrbetter.com

They do a nice line of down sleeping quilts. They pack down small and
don't cost as much as many down bags.
They must be used with a sleeping pad and give you lots of options for
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[RBW] Frames with differnt forks

[usuk2007]

A quick question. Is the frame used for a threaded fork the same as
for an unthreaded fork?
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[RBW] Re: Cycle North Carolina on a Quickbeam

[usuk2007]

Yes sounds like a great trip. The QB is a great touring bike if you
know the route and plan your gearing appropriately.
I have an emergency 22t freewheel on the flip side of my hub for
really steep stuff, but I still had to push on my last trip.
Did you have to resort to that anywhere?



On Oct 5, 11:55 pm, rcnute  wrote:
> Nice job.  Sounds like loads 'o fun.
>
> On Oct 5, 6:46 pm, johnb  wrote:
>
> > Just a quick update on my trip across NC that I posted a QB question
> > about earlier. I rode the entire state on 32/40x16/18. The first two
> > days, I rode 32x18 but on the first day on the Blue Ridge Parkway, I
> > think I probably could have ridden the 40x18 since most of that day
> > was straightforward minimal grade climbing. I spun out badly on the
> > downhills till I figured out that coasting was the best option. Day
> > Two was very steep but short climbs and definitely needed the 32x18
> > combo. Middle three days, I used the 40x18 and the last two I went to
> > 40x16. On the whole, it worked well. I could climb with most people
> > but lost out on the downhills. I completed the entire ride including
> > the century in reasonable time (for me) and while not even close to
> > the front of the pack, I maintained about a 14mph average.
>
> > I used the Acorn Roll bag in the back and the Acorn Rando bag in the
> > front. I really liked the Rando bag. It could easily hold two jackets/
> > warmers, tube, some tools, some food, a camera and a phone with room
> > to spare. It was very easy to mount and all the pockets were very easy
> > to get to. I cannot comment on the Roll bag since I had no mechanical
> > problems. I got a lot of positive comments on both bags.
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[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing

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> Some one else pointed out the folly of "waterproof and
> breathable." I agree. In my experience, that concept is just pure
> fantsay. When it comes to riding hard in the suffering zone, you can
> be wet and cold, or wet and warm, but not dry and warm.
>
> --
> John Speare
> Spokane, WA USAhttp://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/

This is so true!!! In my experience rain gear only delays the
inevitability of a damp jersey.

http://wheelsofchance.org/2009/07/29/rapha-stowaway-jacket-review/

Rapha has a new rain jacket out this winter and if it's as nice as the
Stowaway and the lightweight softshell that I use it will be very good
indeed.

http://www.rapha.cc/rain-jacket
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[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing

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IMHO a combination of Smartwool base layers and Rapha on top works
really well

www.rapha.cc
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[RBW] Re: Viva bag loops on a San Marco Regal

[usuk2007]

It looks like I'm good to go. I'll apply a bit of loctite to stop
slippage. The weight in my Barley is just a couple of pounds; pump
tubes, tools lock etc. and I think the Vivas and strapping the Barley
to the seatpost will work fine

On Oct 2, 1:35 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> The all purpose solution, Blue Loctite, will help with slipping loops,
> though I do use a VO bag support on the 29er thanks to the absurdly big
> wheels.
>
> I've carried 25+ lb loads in saddlebags using Viva loops and have had no
> problems with breaking or slipping, but I've not done this continuously for
> a long period since shortly after the Vivas came on the market I switched to
> a Tubus Fly and panniers.
>
> I don't know about the Regal, but I use Vivas on (original style) Flites and
> the bags mount fine; turn the loops outward as someone suggested.
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Frederick, Steve 
>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > It's been a pretty good saddle for me.  I'd recommend some sort of saddle
> > support if you carry much stuff, though.  My loops haven't slipped but I use
> > a small bag (Carradice Zipped Roll) and don't carry much in there.  I think
> > I'd use a support if I was carrying much more...
>
> > Steve
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of usuk2007
> > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:03 PM
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Viva bag loops on a San Marco Regal
>
> > Thanks, I've been a Brooks rider most of my life, but now I'm going to
> > try out the San Marco Regal. I just can't bring myself to ride my
> > Barley..
>
> > On Oct 2, 11:51 am, "Frederick, Steve" 
> > wrote:
> > > Yeah, I'm running that combination.  It's a little narrow, but I turned
> > the loops outward slightly at an angle and the straps go through them
> > okay...
>
> > > Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI
>
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of usuk2007
> > > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:33 AM
> > > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > > Subject: [RBW] Viva bag loops on a San Marco Regal
>
> > > Has anyone experience of using the VO's Viva bag loops with a San
> > > Marco Regal saddle. Specifically can you orient the loops and get them
> > > far enough apart for easy saddlebag installation?
>
> --
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[RBW] Re: Viva bag loops on a San Marco Regal

[usuk2007]

Thanks, I've been a Brooks rider most of my life, but now I'm going to
try out the San Marco Regal. I just can't bring myself to ride my
Barley..

On Oct 2, 11:51 am, "Frederick, Steve" 
wrote:
> Yeah, I'm running that combination.  It's a little narrow, but I turned the 
> loops outward slightly at an angle and the straps go through them okay...
>
> Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI
>
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> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of usuk2007
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:33 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Viva bag loops on a San Marco Regal
>
> Has anyone experience of using the VO's Viva bag loops with a San
> Marco Regal saddle. Specifically can you orient the loops and get them
> far enough apart for easy saddlebag installation?
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[RBW] Viva bag loops on a San Marco Regal

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Has anyone experience of using the VO's Viva bag loops with a San
Marco Regal saddle. Specifically can you orient the loops and get them
far enough apart for easy saddlebag installation?
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[RBW] Re: Sackville large saddlebag without zip ties for short trips?

[usuk2007]

To comment on Tim's comments

>
> That's a nuisance, especially if you have put the buckles inside the  
> bag to snug it up against the saddle.  You have to open the bag, move  
> the contents out of the way, do gymnastics to see or blindly undo the  
> buckles by feel, drag the slightly oversized straps through the slots  
> in the saddle, etc., etc.  If you're going to be removing and  
> installing the bag a few times a day, some sort of QR system is helpful.

The straps are a bit oversized for the holes in the bag at first, but
they quickly soften up making it simple to get the straps through. For
me QR mechanisms just add a complication. With a little bit of
practice and the bag can be opened and the inside buckles undone
quickly, not as fast as with a QR mechanism, but I don't mind taking
20 secs out of my day to do this. My routine is to open the saddlebag,
take out my lock and lock the bike up, then remove the bag.

Even if you do use a QR mechanism the buckles should still be done up
on the inside of the bag. I believe that many of the reported issues
with saddlebag sway are due to improper mounting.


> I don't like the Bagman, the Carradice SQR, etc.  They look like  
> designs asking to fail at some point due to the long lever with teh  
> weight of the bag at the far end.  And they just look kludgy to my  
> eyes.

I agree about the way the QR systems look, but the regular Bagman puts
the saddelbag very close to the saddle and cannot even be seen when
the bag is mounted. The lever arm is not large at all. There is a long
vertical section, but that obviously doesn't contribute to the moment.
I can see an argument being made about the gauge of the rod used in
its construction, but it's only supposed to carry 20lbs and I've found
it to be just right for the Nelson Longflap.

 
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[RBW] Re: Sackville large saddlebag without zip ties for short trips?

[usuk2007]

I just don't see the need for the quick release gizmos, it only takes
a few moments to unhook a saddlebag and attach it again using the
regular saddle loops. I do like the Bagman, but have no use for the QR
version.

On Sep 27, 2:13 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 10:47 AM, usuk2007 wrote:
>
>
>
> > Also I'm not a fan of the various quick release mechanisms available.
>
> I disagree. The Carradice Bagman QR support works well, as does the other
> device that clamps to the seatpost and has a small QR frame to which the bag
> straps. OTOH, if you don't have a saddle with loops, use the Velo Orange
> loops, which, unlike the uspeakably bad Cyclo loops, let you install and
> remove the straps rather easily.
>
> But this is not as convenient as the Bagman or the whatzizname.
>
>
>
> > It only takes a few seconds to undo the saddle straps on a saddlebag.
> > I have a few Carradice bags for different jobs; a Barley for day rides
> > and a Nelson Longflap for touring and shopping and I take them off the
> > bike whenever I lock it up and it's no trouble at all.
>
> > On Sep 27, 12:06 pm, Forrest  wrote:
> > > I have a Nitto Top rack (R-14?) on my AHH, and I'm considering getting
> > > the Sackville Large saddlebag. Has anyone used this bag on this rack
> > > for shorter trips (errands, short in-town commute) without securing it
> > > to the rack with zip ties? Is the leather slot that fits over the
> > > rack's arch loop enough to prevent sway, and will the bag stay seated
> > > down over the rack arch without hopping off during normal, non-bomber-
> > > type riding?
>
> > > I like this bag but would want to get it on and off the bike easily to
> > > carry indoors with me, and I don't want to have to mess with zip ties
> > > all the time. Anyone use short straps successfully instead of zip
> > > ties?
>
> > > Thanks,  -- Forrest
> > > (in Iowa City, home of the Hawkeyes, who beat No. 5 Penn State 21-10
> > > in Happy Valley last night)
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
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[RBW] Re: Build kits for Roadeo

[usuk2007]

I wonder how many frames vs complete bikes they'll sell? I imagine a
fair %age of buyers will want to build the Roadie up to their own
spec. I think I'd probably do Dura Ace 7800 as there are some nice
bargains on it now.

On Sep 26, 10:30 am, Joe Bartoe  wrote:
> I believe that is still undecided. From the pics on their site, the prototype 
> had SRAM Force on it. I believe the write-up on the Riv site indicates that 
> the final build details are going to be left up to Mark.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:44:15 -0700
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Build kits for Roadeo
> > From: clive.stand...@umassmed.edu
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > I don't want to take up any of Riv's time as I'm not going to buy a
> > Roadie, I was just interested in the parts selection. From the latest
> > pictures the "economy" version has a Sugino XD2 and I imagine the rest
> > of the parts are from the Riv catalogue too. I was just interested in
> > the "racer" spec parts they are using. Will it be Dura Ace 10 sp
>
> > On Sep 25, 2:25 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:21 PM, usuk2007  
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Does anyone have an idea of the parts used to build the "comfy" vs
> > > > "light" versions of the Roadeo. Just wondering what you get for your
> > > > money
>
> > > Email riv and ask - they are ridiculously quick to respond and
> > > incredibly helpful with answers.
>
> > > -sv
>
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[RBW] Re: Sackville large saddlebag without zip ties for short trips?

[usuk2007]

Sway should not be an issue with any saddle bag as long as you attach
it to the saddle correctly. Do not us the method shown on the Riv site
with the buckles on the outside. This leaves space between the saddle
and the saddlebag and you'll have to resort to various methods of
strapping the saddlebag down. Instead use the method shown on Peter
White's site with the buckles inside the bag. This way the saddlebag
can be pulled up tight against the saddle to eliminate sway.

Also I'm not a fan of the various quick release mechanisms available.
It only takes a few seconds to undo the saddle straps on a saddlebag.
I have a few Carradice bags for different jobs; a Barley for day rides
and a Nelson Longflap for touring and shopping and I take them off the
bike whenever I lock it up and it's no trouble at all.

On Sep 27, 12:06 pm, Forrest  wrote:
> I have a Nitto Top rack (R-14?) on my AHH, and I'm considering getting
> the Sackville Large saddlebag. Has anyone used this bag on this rack
> for shorter trips (errands, short in-town commute) without securing it
> to the rack with zip ties? Is the leather slot that fits over the
> rack's arch loop enough to prevent sway, and will the bag stay seated
> down over the rack arch without hopping off during normal, non-bomber-
> type riding?
>
> I like this bag but would want to get it on and off the bike easily to
> carry indoors with me, and I don't want to have to mess with zip ties
> all the time. Anyone use short straps successfully instead of zip
> ties?
>
> Thanks,  -- Forrest
> (in Iowa City, home of the Hawkeyes, who beat No. 5 Penn State 21-10
> in Happy Valley last night)
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[RBW] Re: Build kits for Roadeo

[usuk2007]

I don't want to take up any of Riv's time as I'm not going to buy a
Roadie, I was just interested in the parts selection. From the latest
pictures the "economy" version has a Sugino XD2 and I imagine the rest
of the parts are from the Riv catalogue too. I was just interested in
the "racer" spec parts they are using. Will it be Dura Ace 10 sp

On Sep 25, 2:25 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:21 PM, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have an idea of the parts used to build the "comfy" vs
> > "light" versions of the Roadeo. Just wondering what you get for your
> > money
>
> Email riv and ask - they are ridiculously quick to respond and
> incredibly helpful with answers.
>
> -sv
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[RBW] Build kits for Roadeo

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Does anyone have an idea of the parts used to build the "comfy" vs
"light" versions of the Roadeo. Just wondering what you get for your
money
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[RBW] Build kits for Roadeo

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Does anyone have an idea of the parts used to build the "comfy" vs
"light" versions of the Roadeo. Just wondering what you get for your
money
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Tire Recommendations

[usuk2007]

I did a week long QB tour in England last spring and took on some off
road stuff using ruffy tuffys. They worked well until I hit the deep
sand.
Here's a write up

http://wheelsofchance.org/england-2009/

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[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet

[usuk2007]

Sure I could put a guard on the outer position, but I don't like the
way they look and there's really no need for one given that I'm on the
road most of the time. Over shifting isn't an issue and the double
configuration makes the gearing so much simpler. On a 42t ring I can
ride 95% of any terrain.

On Sep 3, 12:12 am, David Estes  wrote:
> A, my eyes... they hurt
>
> But really, why get rid of the outside position?  I would put a rock
> guard/bash ring on there.  Seems a much better options than straight doing
> away with the ring.
>
> DE
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
> > With the popularity of 29ers, were seeing a start of some 110/74
> > doubles. The are essentially a refined 110/74 triple just made so
> > you cannot put an outer ring on them. It's just as easy to not put a
> > outer ring on your triple and you at least have an option to go back.
> > Here's some from Rotor  yeah the colors are what they
> > are .  .  .put you get the idea of what can be done.
> >http://www.rotorbikeusa.com/productMtbCrank.html
>
> > Sugino showed one too...a photo shown here ...http://velo-
> > orange.blogspot.com/2009/03/taipei-cycle-show-update-3.html   It looks
> > to be outboard bearing though. .  .  . the latest in the whirly-go-
> > round of engineers with too much time on their hands trying to
> > reinvent bike parts. LoL!
>
> > The TA Carmina is champ of all BCD's .  .  .  yeah it's a bit pricey
> > at 4 bills .  . .   but like many Euro things .  .  .the loss of the
> > Dollar has made it tough. But, it's not all that out of line .  . . as
> > the Zephyr last sold with rings from Riv for $275 in 2002. Look at the
> > price % increases of PW FW hubs .  .  .  . it's been soaring and
> > there's no exchange rate involved. It is what it is . .  .  ..
>
> > 48 or 50 isn't just for racing .  .  . I use a 48x13 top gear and I'm
> > and average cyclist who lives on very hilly terrain .  .  . so I use
> > it frequently.
>
> > A 46 ring should be no problem on the FSA crankset as long as your
> > doing friction .  .  .it's when people do the indexing F/R that things
> > can get hair-pullingly specific.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>
> "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something
> wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."  ~Bill Nye,
> scientist guy
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[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road

[usuk2007]

I posed the question because I already have a Rambouillet and I've
been thinking of getting a bike with a more aggressive geometry to
built up as a fast bike. When I saw the geometry on the Roadeo I
worried that it wasn't sufficiently different from the Ram also the
cost was a bit steep, so I thought of the Ebisu Road which looks
plenty aggressive while still taking standard reach brakes and having
good tyre clearance. I'm now dreaming of an Ebisu Road with some dura-
ace hubs, mavic open pros, and a sugino alpina or TA carmina crank

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[RBW] Re: Roadie vs Ebisu Road

[usuk2007]

Yes I do have a great frame, but another one is always better

On Sep 2, 8:18 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
> Change the wheels and crank.  You already have a great frame.
> Michael
>
> On Sep 2, 8:07 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> > I posed the question because I already have a Rambouillet and I've
> > been thinking of getting a bike with a more aggressive geometry to
> > built up as a fast bike. When I saw the geometry on the Roadeo I
> > worried that it wasn't sufficiently different from the Ram also the
> > cost was a bit steep, so I thought of the Ebisu Road which looks
> > plenty aggressive while still taking standard reach brakes and having
> > good tyre clearance. I'm now dreaming of an Ebisu Road with some dura-
> > ace hubs, mavic open pros, and a sugino alpina or TA carmina crank
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[RBW] Roadie vs Ebisu Road

[usuk2007]

$2k for a Riv/Waterford Roadie or $1.5k for a Ebisu Road. Discuss
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[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet

[usuk2007]

I've been running a Sugino 110/74 as a 42/26 double for years. With a
11/34 cassette I get 103" to 21" which is good for day rides and
touring.

http://wheelsofchance.org/2009/08/28/if-the-answer-is-42-whats-the-question/


On Sep 1, 10:54 pm, Fai Mao  wrote:
> I prefer a 48/38/24 triple.
>
> You have to be a little carefull shifting and use a friction front as
> no indexing will work with that. However, there are some steep hills
> up bad roads in Southern China where I live and a little lower gear is
> a good thing. I also like he 38 tooth chain wheel better than a 36.
>
> On Sep 1, 11:23 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
> > So I'm currently running my Rambouillet with a double crankset (50/34)
> > and an 8 speed cassette (11-28). I really have to admit that I just
> > don't find pushing the 50 outer ring to be that enjoyable. I'm
> > thinking of going to a 46. I'm using an FSA compact derailer. Will
> > this combo work? Would I be better off going with a 48 outer
> > chainring? My Hilsen has a 46 outer ring and I really like that. I
> > guess I'm just curious if it'll shift okay. Right now I have DT
> > shifters (Silver) and will probably go back to bar-end for the
> > winter.
>
> > Thanks,
> > mike
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[RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam

[usuk2007]

 I'm not hardcore when it comes to my ss experience, I don't do fixed
and I have that 32/22 bailout for the hills. My route was quite flat
and only had nasty hills on the last day. I'm not a strong enough
cyclist to take the QB touring in the mountains, but I dare say
someone has or will do it. Feel free to ask any questions you have.

On Aug 21, 9:33 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
> Thank you.  Just curious, and thinking if I want to use clips.  I free pedal 
> currently on the QB, but facing many long, long climbs across Nevada, I might 
> go with straps or even cleats.  Thanks. can I pumop your brain if I have more 
> questions re touring on the QB?  Even off-forum?
>
> Ray
>
> --- On Fri, 8/21/09, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> From: usuk2007 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 4:27 AM
>
> I used Shimano MO76 MTB shoes and M324 SPD/platform pedals.
>
> On Aug 21, 12:19 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
>
> > Curious what pedal/shoe combo you used on this tour.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> > Ray
>
> > --- On Thu, 8/20/09, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> > From: usuk2007 
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam
> > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 9:03 PM
>
> > The Quickbeam is great for touring. I just did a tour the length of
> > England on mine, go for it!
>
> >http://wheelsofchance.org/england-2009/
>
> > On Aug 16, 9:23 pm, johnb  wrote:
>
> > > I am thnking about cycle across NC on it. Might have rocks in my head.
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[RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam

[usuk2007]

I used Shimano MO76 MTB shoes and M324 SPD/platform pedals.

On Aug 21, 12:19 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
> Curious what pedal/shoe combo you used on this tour.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ray
>
> --- On Thu, 8/20/09, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> From: usuk2007 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 9:03 PM
>
> The Quickbeam is great for touring. I just did a tour the length of
> England on mine, go for it!
>
> http://wheelsofchance.org/england-2009/
>
> On Aug 16, 9:23 pm, johnb  wrote:
>
> > I am thnking about cycle across NC on it. Might have rocks in my head.
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[RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam

[usuk2007]

FYI my gearing was 40/32 upfront with a 16/18 White industries
freewheel on one side and a 22t freewheel on the other side.
I used 40x16 90% of the time and changed down to 32x22 for the slog up
onto the North Yorkshire Moors.


On Aug 21, 12:03 am, usuk2007  wrote:
> The Quickbeam is great for touring. I just did a tour the length of
> England on mine, go for it!
>
> http://wheelsofchance.org/england-2009/
>
> On Aug 16, 9:23 pm, johnb  wrote:
>
> > I am thnking about cycle across NC on it. Might have rocks in my head.
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[RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam

[usuk2007]

The Quickbeam is great for touring. I just did a tour the length of
England on mine, go for it!

http://wheelsofchance.org/england-2009/



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> I am thnking about cycle across NC on it. Might have rocks in my head.
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[RBW] Reviews you might find inrteresting

[usuk2007]

FYI here are a couple of reviews. One of the Rapha Stowaway jacket and
another or the Acorn handlebarbag

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Tour

[usuk2007]

One group of riders were surprised that I had no derailleurs and
another laughed at my anachronistic Brooks saddle - they were on
carbon fiber bikes.

On May 28, 6:32 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> I have been following the tour on Crazyguy, as I have some rough
> notions of doing a prolonged UK/France tour if I can ever get away
> from work.  A lot of good information in your account.
>
> One thing, how did the British fancy your Riv?  Or are they too
> reserved a lot over there to ooh and ahh with someone they do not
> know?
>
> On May 28, 5:35 am, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> > I just finished a 5 day tour on the Quickbeam from London to North
> > East England. I used 67" most of the way, but changed to 39" for the
> > North Yorkshire Moors. The QB is a really nice bike for extended
> > credit card touring and the ability to reduce the gear inches makes
> > some steep climbs possible.25% on the last day. The blog is at
>
> >http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/England2009
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[RBW] Quickbeam Tour

[usuk2007]

I just finished a 5 day tour on the Quickbeam from London to North
East England. I used 67" most of the way, but changed to 39" for the
North Yorkshire Moors. The QB is a really nice bike for extended
credit card touring and the ability to reduce the gear inches makes
some steep climbs possible.25% on the last day. The blog is at

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[RBW] Re: Bailey Works Bags

[usuk2007]

Don't know about the bags, but I love the website

On May 7, 9:06 am, Andrew Karre  wrote:
> I've used a medium SuperPro for commuting nearly every day for six
> years. It was worth every penny--one of the best cycling purchases
> I've ever made.
>
> On May 6, 4:30 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
> > Anybody out there have experience with Bailey Works messenger bags?
>
> >www.baileyworks.com
>
> > Thanks!
>
> > --Eric
> > campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org
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[RBW] Re: IRD Freewheels Up To The Task?

[usuk2007]

I have  Gen I fail on me, but got it replaced free of charge and the
Gen II is going strong

On May 5, 5:51 pm, Garth  wrote:
>  To the users of the Mark II IRD Freewheels, have they been problem
> free?
>
> I'm about to get a new set of wheels, and want to make sure the IRD
> FW's are up to longevity.
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[RBW] Re: QB specs & so on

[usuk2007]

I find the stock 40x18 top a bit annoying on the flats so I installed
a 16/18 White Industries freewheel.
Then to turn the QB into a better touring bike I put a 22t freewheel
on the other side of the hub. The
genius of the angled drop outs lets me go from 40/16 to 32/22 when a
steep hill looms. This summer
I'll be touring through the UK on my QB and going over the North Yorks
Moors  - think the opening
sequences from "American Werewolf in London". There will be some
climbing that day, I'll pass
the UK's steepest paved road, Rosedale Chimney, which tops out at 33%,
but luckily I won't
have to actually climb it.



On Apr 27, 2:55 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> We've discussed gearing quite a bit here.  I find the stock  40/32x18
> to be GO ANYWHERE gearing. It requires some spinning, and some out-of-
> saddle climbs occasionally (I'm writing from hilly San Diego), but it
> gets me up almost any hill in the big chainring, with the bail-out
> just in case.  I think its brilliant - and again, ready for your
> personalization with cheap freewheels.
>
> Quickbeams can be great candidates for "one bike to rule them all."
> Commuting, road, off-road, touring (it can be done), with minimal
> tweaking; you just want to ride this bike.  Its simple.  But they are
> also great as the "A Fixed/Singlespeed Iteration of a Bike You Already
> Have" ala Bike Snob:
>
> http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2008/06/multiples-how-much-is-too-muc...
>
> The GP Iteration is a given on this forum!  Happily!
>
> On Apr 27, 10:03 am, Rick  wrote:
>
> > A big yes to everything Grant said...and that's why my wife and I each
> > bought one; when we decided to voluntarily "downsize" (although I've
> > come to be a bit defensive about that word, because The American Way
> > Of Life tends to associate it with being economically bereft, which is
> > hardly the case) our lives, we wanted to use bicycles for everyday
> > transportation to and from work, to the store, to the library, to
> > school, to the coffee house, etc., etc, and use the car sparingly, if
> > at all. We wanted a bicycle that could handle both the mundane and the
> > occasional thirty-miler; one that could be modified to our preferences
> > of utility, be reliable, comfortable, and not a heavyweight (we've
> > also just moved to a third-floor studio apartment, where the bikes
> > will share living space with us), and even, lastly, look good.
>
> > For us, that's why we decided on Quickbeams: we can't wait to start
> > riding them.
>
> > On Apr 26, 8:59 pm, "gr...@rivbike.com" 
> > wrote:
>
> > > Silver's a nice color...it's never anybody's first pick..hardly ever,
> > > at least, but I always thought silver bikes looked nice, and the guys
> > > here think it's pretty striking. Some of us wanted to get one--being
> > > the last of them, and silver and all, but we aren't allowed to (and we
> > > all agree this is a good idea) "steal" bikes from customers.
> > > The seat tube decal is a bit short, but there's a long story to that,
> > > and I don' wanna tell it. It's neither fascinating nor boring. The
> > > purplish blue goes well with the silver, I'd say, but I WOULD say,
> > > wouldn't I?
> > > We'd planned to make this the last run of QBs, and it may be that.
> > > There are a few details that, while not "upgrades," are certainly not
> > > "downgrades." I wish people would focus on these, rather than the font
> > > (HELVETICA) in the panel. Good ol' Helvetica. Can't go wrong with it.
> > >  The seat stays have a mid-stay barrel boss. The fork crown is fancy.
> > > The rake is pretty darn good. The new brakes are super dupe. The rear
> > > hub isn't a fixed-specific hub, and that might seem-2-some as a less
> > > than hardcore choice, but you CAN run a fixed cog on it, especially on
> > > a bike with brakes, and it'll never, ever come loose.
> > > Putting together a bike like this, or any bike, to a large extent,
> > > always going to be a "can't please everyone, so you got to please
> > > yourself" proposition. Critics (and I use this word kindly--and not
> > > defensively) tend to overlook the things they agree with, the things
> > > they'd've done themselves, and harp on what they'd have done
> > > differently. It's just the nature of things, and people.
> > > I/we DID consider Sheldon-style dropouts, DID consider a der tab (not
> > > that anybody complained about the lack of it), DID consider other rear
> > > spacing...but ultimately opted this way. The QB has always been a
> > > quite tweakable bike. It begs to be modified, but in its unmodified
> > > form, is capable of a whole lot. Two-speed, fenderable, great
> > > clearance, braze-ons.truly trail-worthy. Still...there's fun in
> > > the modifications, so go to town...
>
> > > We'd do it again if the ¥ would fall/the USD would climb. We might
> > > bring out a less-expensive version, from Taiwan. We have one on paper,
> > > but not in the oven just yet.
>
> > > Best,
>
> > > Grant
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[RBW] Re: QB specs & so on

[usuk2007]

Any criticism of the QB comes from love. The worst attitude would be
indifference. There will always be things that we wish were slightly
different, but I'm glad that no bike is perfect because then there'd
be no reason to buy another one.

Yesterday was beautifully sunny and I polished up the orange QB. It
looked lovely and I stood there for a few minutes just admiring it.
Then I got on it and rode it.


On Apr 27, 12:23 am, charlie  wrote:
> Yaay! Grant, you rock regardless of the mild criticisms. What a great
> innovative bike your company offers to us. There is nothing quite like
> it. I'd take one in any color. After I pay for my daughters wedding, I
> may be able to save for one. I just obtained steady employment after
> six months of  declining self employment misery. If you ever do make a
> less expensive version from Taiwan I will surely make an effort to
> purchase even though I like the traditional frame design etc.  It must
> be hard to read the criticisms at times so I just want to tell you and
> your staff how much I appreciate your contributions to my enjoyment of
> the simple pleasure of riding a bicycle. Keep up the good work.
>
> On Apr 26, 8:59 pm, "gr...@rivbike.com" 
> wrote:
>
> > Silver's a nice color...it's never anybody's first pick..hardly ever,
> > at least, but I always thought silver bikes looked nice, and the guys
> > here think it's pretty striking. Some of us wanted to get one--being
> > the last of them, and silver and all, but we aren't allowed to (and we
> > all agree this is a good idea) "steal" bikes from customers.
> > The seat tube decal is a bit short, but there's a long story to that,
> > and I don' wanna tell it. It's neither fascinating nor boring. The
> > purplish blue goes well with the silver, I'd say, but I WOULD say,
> > wouldn't I?
> > We'd planned to make this the last run of QBs, and it may be that.
> > There are a few details that, while not "upgrades," are certainly not
> > "downgrades." I wish people would focus on these, rather than the font
> > (HELVETICA) in the panel. Good ol' Helvetica. Can't go wrong with it.
> >  The seat stays have a mid-stay barrel boss. The fork crown is fancy.
> > The rake is pretty darn good. The new brakes are super dupe. The rear
> > hub isn't a fixed-specific hub, and that might seem-2-some as a less
> > than hardcore choice, but you CAN run a fixed cog on it, especially on
> > a bike with brakes, and it'll never, ever come loose.
> > Putting together a bike like this, or any bike, to a large extent,
> > always going to be a "can't please everyone, so you got to please
> > yourself" proposition. Critics (and I use this word kindly--and not
> > defensively) tend to overlook the things they agree with, the things
> > they'd've done themselves, and harp on what they'd have done
> > differently. It's just the nature of things, and people.
> > I/we DID consider Sheldon-style dropouts, DID consider a der tab (not
> > that anybody complained about the lack of it), DID consider other rear
> > spacing...but ultimately opted this way. The QB has always been a
> > quite tweakable bike. It begs to be modified, but in its unmodified
> > form, is capable of a whole lot. Two-speed, fenderable, great
> > clearance, braze-ons.truly trail-worthy. Still...there's fun in
> > the modifications, so go to town...
>
> > We'd do it again if the ¥ would fall/the USD would climb. We might
> > bring out a less-expensive version, from Taiwan. We have one on paper,
> > but not in the oven just yet.
>
> > Best,
>
> > Grant
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[RBW] Will there be another run of the Legolas?

[usuk2007]

In a recent post I was asking about a frame to build up in a more "go-
fast" style and in looking on cyclofiend.com I saw the Legolas and
realized it would be almost perfect, does anyone know if another run
is in the works?
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeams are here

[usuk2007]

I know I'm being the iconoclast here, but even the new pictures don't
make me like the new colour scheme any better. The bike looks anemic
and the decals look almost half finished. This on the back of that
Betty Foy head badge makes me weep.

On Apr 25, 5:48 pm, EricP  wrote:
> In case folks hadn't checked, there are some new photos of the
> Quickbeam on the website.  The photos are done against a darker (wood)
> background.  Makes the colors stand out better, in my opinion.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Apr 25, 12:31 pm, rcnute  wrote:
>
> > Agreed--the blue is very pretty with the silver.
>
> > If only the QB came in 650b a la AHH...
>
> > On Apr 25, 6:41 am, charlie  wrote:
>
> > > Everything goes with silver.its a very nice color and one
> > > that will always be pleasant to look at.
>
> > > On Apr 23, 3:50 pm, Dustin Sharp  wrote:
>
> > > > The Quickbeams will always be cool, but orange was definitely my 
> > > > favorite.
>
> > > > > From: cm 
> > > > > Reply-To: 
> > > > > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:33:09 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > > > > Subject: [RBW] Quickbeams are here
>
> > > > > Just noticed this on the site:
>
> > > > > Sneak peak can be found here. We are building and shipping them AQAP.
>
> > > > >http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-150
>
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > > cm- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeams are here

[usuk2007]

The bike looks sort of flat, but that might be the white background.
Silver against white just isn't as dramatic as orange/green against
white. Right now I think the silver is the least successful of the QB
colours, but maybe some closeups will convince me otherwise.

On Apr 24, 11:30 am, Dustin Sharp  wrote:
> Yep, would be good to see one in person, but to me it just doesn't pop off
> the screen the way the orange one did.
>
> Anyone think this will really and truly be the last batch 'o beams?
>
> Dustin
>
> > From: "Frederick, Steve" 
> > Reply-To: 
> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:54:11 -0400
> > To: 
> > Conversation: [RBW] Re: Quickbeams are here
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Quickbeams are here
>
> > I shouldn't judge based on that one pic--Riv's paint choices often look much
> > better in person.  If this is at all similar to the silver the Heron used to
> > come in it's a great color...
>
> > Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI
>
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of usuk2007
> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:32 PM
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Quickbeams are here
>
> > I followed the link all excited to see the new QB and I must say I
> > don't like the colour scheme.
> > What's going on at RBW? I find myself writing a lot of negative
> > comments and I don't really want to,
> > but that silver and blue doesn't come close to the green or orange
> > QBs. My orange QB is my favourite bike
> > and I'm glad I got it in that colour scheme. RBW please give me
> > something positive to post about soon..
>
> > On Apr 23, 6:33 pm, cm  wrote:
> >> Just noticed this on the site:
>
> >> Sneak peak can be found here. We are building and shipping them AQAP.
>
> >>http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-150
>
> >> Cheers!
> >> cm
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeams are here

[usuk2007]

When I'm out on my QB I get a lot of puzzled stares from other
cyclists. They can't see any derailleurs, yet it still has 2
chainrings..scratching of heads all round. When I show them the
"digital" shift mechanism they love it. I have mine with
a 16/18 double freewheel on one side and a 22t freewheel on the other
as I credit card tour on it and need a bail out gear for
the hills. The angled rear drop outs are genius.

A mixte with a hub gear would be a nice city bike.

On Apr 23, 10:41 pm, Mojo  wrote:
> Doesn't the Quickbeam beg for innovation? I ran it fixed initially,
> freecog this last cold season. At one point I actually bought a
> Shimano internal 7-speed hub to put on it, but then decided the Q
> would become just another city bike. So I sold the wheel without using
> it.
>
> I have decided to keep the Q in manual multi-gear mode, because that
> is what makes it unique and interesting for me. When I feel the urge
> to monkey with it, I change free-to-fixed-to-free, a bag, or tires.
> Hey, maybe its time to put on some knobbies for mixed surface riding.
>
> On Apr 23, 7:49 pm, Ray Shine  wrote:
>
> > I'd buy one of those in a heart beat. The 120 spacing on my 'beam precludes 
> > rigging with an internal 8 without respacing the chainstays.
>
> > Sent From My iPhone
>
> > On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:08 PM, William Henderson 
> >  wrote:
>
> > I love the quickbeam.  Anyone else hoping they'll add one with an 8-
> > speed internal hub?  Perfect city bike!
>
> > wc.
>
> > On Apr 23, 3:50 pm, Dustin Sharp  wrote:
> > The Quickbeams will always be cool, but orange was definitely my favorite.
>
> > From: cm 
> > Reply-To: 
> > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:33:09 -0700 (PDT)
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > Subject: [RBW] Quickbeams are here
>
> > Just noticed this on the site:
>
> > Sneak peak can be found here. We are building and shipping them AQAP.
>
> >http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-150
>
> > Cheers!
> > cm
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeams are here

[usuk2007]

I followed the link all excited to see the new QB and I must say I
don't like the colour scheme.
What's going on at RBW? I find myself writing a lot of negative
comments and I don't really want to,
but that silver and blue doesn't come close to the green or orange
QBs. My orange QB is my favourite bike
and I'm glad I got it in that colour scheme. RBW please give me
something positive to post about soon..


On Apr 23, 6:33 pm, cm  wrote:
> Just noticed this on the site:
>
> Sneak peak can be found here. We are building and shipping them AQAP.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-150
>
> Cheers!
> cm
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeams are here

[usuk2007]

On Apr 23, 6:33 pm, cm  wrote:
> Just noticed this on the site:
>
> Sneak peak can be found here. We are building and shipping them AQAP.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-150
>
> Cheers!
> cm
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[RBW] Re: Has anyone seen these shoes

[usuk2007]

Those Dromarti shoes look very nice, but a bit pricey. Also I'm
strange in that I ride SPD on my right foot, but Riv style on my left
so I need a shoe with a recessed SPD cleat that is also ok riding
without the cleat. The Dromarti Sportive might work, but that hard
rubber sole with little surface area wouldn't be too good. So far the
best I've found are the Shimano MTB shoes like the MT30 etc. They have
a nice wide surface for a platform and a good recess for a cleat and
they can pass for sneakers and are good walking around town. But when
I saw the Exustar's I thought they looked might be perfect. Looks like
I'll have to buy a pair from the UK to see.

On Apr 20, 10:41 pm, Chuck  wrote:
> I have not personally seen these shoes but they sure look nice in
> pictures if you want something office fancy:  www.dromarti.com.
> Cheers,
> Chuck
>
> On Apr 19, 7:44 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> >http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Exustar_SRT_707_Commuter~Office_Sho...
>
> > I noticed my old Shimano MTB shoes were getting a bit old yesterday so
> > I looked for something new
> > and came up with these traditional looking SPD compatible leather
> > shoes. Does anyone have experience with them? How are they to ride and
> > also walk in, ie is there a lot of cleat click?
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[RBW] Re: Has anyone seen these shoes

[usuk2007]

Thanks for the info. I'm looking for something that's SPD compatible
so the Exustar's caught my eye.

On Apr 20, 6:19 am, fenderbender  wrote:
> Haven't tried them but posted a similar question in the CTC forum and
> got some good info:http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?p=158322
> The other Exustar called 'Stelvio' seem a bit wider and more rugged
> but has plastic covered 
> leather:http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=7081http://www.bikebrothers.co.uk/newshoes.htm
> If you use flat or clips pedals there are still some producers of
> traditional 'walkable' cycling 
> shoes:http://reynoldsshoes.co.uk/http://www.williamlennon.co.uk/footwear/arturo-wide-fitting-cycle-sho...http://bikeportland.org/2008/07/10/made-in-portland-a-very-classy-pai...http://www.exitshoes.com/exit/custom-shoes/http://www.cycles-alex-singer.fr/boutique/bonneterie/chaussures-de-ve...http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sv&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www
>
> On 20 Apr, 04:44, usuk2007  wrote:
>
> >http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Exustar_SRT_707_Commuter~Office_Sho...
>
> > I noticed my old Shimano MTB shoes were getting a bit old yesterday so
> > I looked for something new
> > and came up with these traditional looking SPD compatible leather
> > shoes. Does anyone have experience with them? How are they to ride and
> > also walk in, ie is there a lot of cleat click?
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[RBW] Has anyone seen these shoes

[usuk2007]

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Exustar_SRT_707_Commuter~Office_Shoe/5360041403/

I noticed my old Shimano MTB shoes were getting a bit old yesterday so
I looked for something new
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[RBW] Re: looking for a fast bike, where should I go.

[usuk2007]

Yes the Ram is fastish, but I have it set up for touring with 36 spoke
wheels and a wide cassette. I recently rode a friends Bianchi C2C and
enjoyed it, apart from having my hands so low. It felt a lot different
from the bikes I have and I saw an excuse for a project. So I thought
I'd do something for the economy by buying a frame with steeper angles
and shorter chainstays and build it up with a compact cassette and
some shinny Dura-Ace stuff on it. I want it to be a fairly traditional
bike so I'm sticking with steel, maybe I have a few hours on ebay in
front of me.

On Apr 18, 7:20 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 22:19 -0700, usuk2007 wrote:
> > I love my Ram and I take my Atlantis out on tracjs regularly, but I'm
> > now in the market for some speed too. So I'm looking for a nice fast
> > bike with room for some long reach brakes. Where should I go? Mercian,
> > Independant fabrications?
>
> The Rambouillet is not fast?
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[RBW] looking for a fast bike, where should I go.

[usuk2007]

I love my Ram and I take my Atlantis out on tracjs regularly, but I'm
now in the market for some speed too. So I'm looking for a nice fast
bike with room for some long reach brakes. Where should I go? Mercian,
Independant fabrications?


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[RBW] Re: noodle bars

[usuk2007]

Wide noodles are great for long days. I have them on 3 bikes and will
never use any other
drop bar. I also have some Albatross bars on my shopping bike and they
are perfect for
upright riding through traffic. Can't do the moustache bars though.

On Apr 16, 5:40 pm, dpco  wrote:
> i finally broke down and installed nitto "noodle" bars on my
> rambouillet. WOW! the flat spot on the top of the bars behind my campy
> ergo shifters is perfect for resting my hands without the pressure
> points. why did i wait so long?
> don
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[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan

[usuk2007]

Now that's cool! I love the fairing

Maybe the customers of RBW buy into the lifestyle thing more that RBW
prompts it...but that's a big maybe. I think RBW is as much about
image as a company like Rapha. Both sell some nice stuff, both sell
some bad stuff, both have good things to say and both have to be taken
with a grain of salt some times, particularly Rapha's prices. But both
are positives in the world of cycling and it's good for customers to
prick the bubble once in a while. I like RBW, but I still laugh at
some of the stuff just as much as I laugh at fat guys on carbon bikes,
the Rapha tweed jacket

http://www.rapha.cc/index.php?page=539

and at my 48 year old reflection in a pair of lycra cycling
shorts..I didn't buy them as it was not a pretty sight. But I did
buy some marked down Rapha knickers as those looked good (it's still
about image) and had lots of pockets.

On Apr 14, 11:10 pm, David Estes  wrote:
> This is the only Lone Wolf cyclist I'm aware of:
>
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wb8bAl1P-N0/Scd_PFqVkpI/Go0/OmfzWsq...
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:01 PM, usuk2007 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I "groan" at the lifestyle/philosophy part. RBW is only a bike
> > company. I like some of the bikes, I like some of the stuff they sell,
> > I like some of the approach they espouse. The libertarian in me reacts
> > against going with everything and joining the RBW club entirely. Which
> > reminds me of a story a friend of mine once told me. When he was a
> > teenager in the redneck bit of CT (his description) he was into muscle
> > cars and he went to a big rally for all the local car clubs. There
> > were loads of nice restorations and a lot of competition between
> > different clubs. Off to the side was a latino guy all by himself and
> > he had the best and craziest car at the rally. Propped up on the hood
> > was a cardboard sign with the following acronym
>
> > L.W.N.C.A.
>
> > my friend asked what it stood for...Lone Wolf No Club Affiliation
>
> > There's I guy I admire, I'd join his cluboh wait a minute.
>
> > On Apr 14, 8:31 pm, Paul Sanders  wrote:
> > > Rivendell is a fascinating company to me, on many levels. The "groans"
> > (to
> > > me) are actually what I love most about them. I bought their wool penant
> > and
> > > have it on my office wall...only because I loved the product description
> > > "all time worst seller." I thought the Bombadil double top tubes were
> > > preposterous when I first saw them. Now I own the bike. That probably
> > says
> > > more about me than Rivendell.
>
> > > I think the bikes are works of art, and the products all support an
> > overall
> > > philosophy. It's like strange art that I can use and ride. Or, maybe like
> > > music that you don't always like at first, but really grows on you. I
> > > thought John Coltrane was tedious at one point in my life. Now I want
> > > Interstellar Space on vinyl AND iTunes :-)
>
> > > Paul
>
> > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM, usuk2007  > >wrote:
>
> > > > I'm interested in the amount of comment my original question has
> > > > provoked. From all that I can learn from reading and sales
> > > > interactions RBW seems like a good company. I like their bikes (I have
> > > > 3), but nothing is perfect and all great things are worthy of
> > > > criticism and that should be encouraged to produce improvement. I do
> > > > not agree with all things Rivendell, I ride clipless, would not be
> > > > seen dead in MUSA knickers with braces and haven't warmed to the new
> > > > bikes yet, but I enjoy the perspective of RBW as it's an important
> > > > part of the cycling world. For the majority of cyclists it should be
> > > > far more relevant than the racing style. But I still sit glued to the
> > > > Spring Classics and would ride a Specialized Roubaix if I thought I
> > > > could do it justice or it had any relevance to the way I ride, but I
> > > > can't average 25mph over a hundred miles. I like to tour, ride to the
> > > > shops and do the odd club ride so the Rambouillet is perfect for me.
>
> > > > On Apr 14, 5:51 pm, Mike  wrote:
> > > > > Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of beausage.
> > > >http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998
>
> > > > > Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's
> > > > > AHH. Tha

[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan

[usuk2007]

I "groan" at the lifestyle/philosophy part. RBW is only a bike
company. I like some of the bikes, I like some of the stuff they sell,
I like some of the approach they espouse. The libertarian in me reacts
against going with everything and joining the RBW club entirely. Which
reminds me of a story a friend of mine once told me. When he was a
teenager in the redneck bit of CT (his description) he was into muscle
cars and he went to a big rally for all the local car clubs. There
were loads of nice restorations and a lot of competition between
different clubs. Off to the side was a latino guy all by himself and
he had the best and craziest car at the rally. Propped up on the hood
was a cardboard sign with the following acronym

L.W.N.C.A.

my friend asked what it stood for...Lone Wolf No Club Affiliation

There's I guy I admire, I'd join his cluboh wait a minute.


On Apr 14, 8:31 pm, Paul Sanders  wrote:
> Rivendell is a fascinating company to me, on many levels. The "groans" (to
> me) are actually what I love most about them. I bought their wool penant and
> have it on my office wall...only because I loved the product description
> "all time worst seller." I thought the Bombadil double top tubes were
> preposterous when I first saw them. Now I own the bike. That probably says
> more about me than Rivendell.
>
> I think the bikes are works of art, and the products all support an overall
> philosophy. It's like strange art that I can use and ride. Or, maybe like
> music that you don't always like at first, but really grows on you. I
> thought John Coltrane was tedious at one point in my life. Now I want
> Interstellar Space on vinyl AND iTunes :-)
>
> Paul
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM, usuk2007 wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm interested in the amount of comment my original question has
> > provoked. From all that I can learn from reading and sales
> > interactions RBW seems like a good company. I like their bikes (I have
> > 3), but nothing is perfect and all great things are worthy of
> > criticism and that should be encouraged to produce improvement. I do
> > not agree with all things Rivendell, I ride clipless, would not be
> > seen dead in MUSA knickers with braces and haven't warmed to the new
> > bikes yet, but I enjoy the perspective of RBW as it's an important
> > part of the cycling world. For the majority of cyclists it should be
> > far more relevant than the racing style. But I still sit glued to the
> > Spring Classics and would ride a Specialized Roubaix if I thought I
> > could do it justice or it had any relevance to the way I ride, but I
> > can't average 25mph over a hundred miles. I like to tour, ride to the
> > shops and do the odd club ride so the Rambouillet is perfect for me.
>
> > On Apr 14, 5:51 pm, Mike  wrote:
> > > Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of beausage.
> >http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998
>
> > > Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's
> > > AHH. That bike looks so perfect.
>
> > > Also check this old shot of his Saluki. Be sure to scroll down to the
> > > bottom of the page.
>
> > >http://web.archive.org/web/20060321050644/www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_...
>
> > > On Apr 14, 8:16 am, Shaun Meehan  wrote:
>
> > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS  wrote:
>
> > > > > Ok.  I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer.  What
> > > > > is "beausage"?
> > > > > George Strickler
>
> > > > It's Grant's concept of "beauty through usage". The idea that the small
> > > > nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your
> > > > leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike.
>
> > > > Shaun Meehan
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[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan

[usuk2007]

I'm interested in the amount of comment my original question has
provoked. From all that I can learn from reading and sales
interactions RBW seems like a good company. I like their bikes (I have
3), but nothing is perfect and all great things are worthy of
criticism and that should be encouraged to produce improvement. I do
not agree with all things Rivendell, I ride clipless, would not be
seen dead in MUSA knickers with braces and haven't warmed to the new
bikes yet, but I enjoy the perspective of RBW as it's an important
part of the cycling world. For the majority of cyclists it should be
far more relevant than the racing style. But I still sit glued to the
Spring Classics and would ride a Specialized Roubaix if I thought I
could do it justice or it had any relevance to the way I ride, but I
can't average 25mph over a hundred miles. I like to tour, ride to the
shops and do the odd club ride so the Rambouillet is perfect for me.

On Apr 14, 5:51 pm, Mike  wrote:
> Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of 
> beausage.http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998
>
> Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's
> AHH. That bike looks so perfect.
>
> Also check this old shot of his Saluki. Be sure to scroll down to the
> bottom of the page.
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20060321050644/www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_...
>
> On Apr 14, 8:16 am, Shaun Meehan  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS  wrote:
>
> > > Ok.  I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer.  What
> > > is "beausage"?
> > > George Strickler
>
> > It's Grant's concept of "beauty through usage". The idea that the small
> > nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on your
> > leather saddle, etc. actually adds to the beauty of your bike.
>
> > Shaun Meehan
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[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan

[usuk2007]

I'm with you on the love for Carradice, although I'm biased as I'm
from the UK and used
one on my bike back in the 1970s. I think Acorn is a close second
because they are
making simple practical bags.

I also agree about the Sackvilles, I just can't love them, the look
busy and sort
of weird.

Also words like "beausage" put my teeth on edge

Things I like are the customer service and commitment.

Ways to improve. Bring back the Rambouillet. Cycling is about more
than practicality
and carrying stuff. The racing end is important too, so why ignore it.
Do something like
Independent Fabrications or the Italian makers and bring out a fast
steel bike. The
legolas is kind of that but I'd like to see more.


On Apr 12, 11:20 pm, beth h  wrote:
> Things I love about RBW:
>
> 1. Lugged steel frames that last for years and years (like mine, for
> instance)
> 2. The Atlantis (I love my LongLow but the Atlantis is very possibly
> the best frame ever designed for anything).
> 2a. The All-Rounder -- bring it back maybe?
> 3. Tire and fender clearance (long before anyone else was returning to
> the idea).
> 4. Canvas bags, particularly Carradice (RBW introduced us to one
> another in '98 and it's been a love affair ever since)
>
> Things that make me twitch and make funny noises:
>
> 1. Tweed fender flaps and bags
> 2. Sackville, second generation (remember Carradice made the first
> generation of these bags for RBW back in the day)
> 3. The sad short-livedness of the original Wooly Warm line (especially
> the olive green sweaters and vests with those buttoned fronts and
> pockets) -- please bring it back!!
>
> Beth
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[RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan

[usuk2007]

I'd love to see a build list on that 21lb Ram. Mine's at 25lbs but
it's set up for touring.
Loosing the B17 and getting a lighter wheel set might help...

On Apr 12, 5:56 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 4/12/2009 5:20:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> ginoza...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Heh. I  took my (22.5lb) Rambouillet for a hilly 50 miler this morning. It
> continues  to be my favorite Rivendell for "spirited" long rides.
>
> Gino,
>That's my point. Nothing is flat here in Kentucky and it, too,  is my
> favorite for "spirited" club centuries - about 45 last year. Mine's down  to
> 20.96 lb (hey, that's what the digital scale reads).
>Now, there's nothing on the Riv showroom floor that offers the  same
> performance and no, the Hilsen, does not take it's place. I have a Homer  and
> love it for totally different reasons.
>   Bill
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[RBW] Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan

[usuk2007]

Things I love

Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy Tuffy tyres

Things that make me groan

Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps.




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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs Rambouillet weight

[usuk2007]

Both are 56cm

On Apr 10, 11:01 pm,  wrote:
> If you don't mind my asking, what size are the bikes?
>
> Stan
> Columbia, SC
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "usuk2007" 
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:34 AM
> Subject: [RBW] Quickbeam vs Rambouillet weight
>
> > I weighed my Quickbeam and my Rambouillet last night and both came in
> > at 25lbs. I was very surprised as I'd expected the Quickbeam to be a
> > couple of pounds lighter. The Quickbeam is stock apart from having a
> > double White Ind freewheel one one side and a 22t freewheel on the
> > other. The Ram has White Ind MI5 hubs, Velocity Dyad rims and a big
> > 11/34 Shimano cassette, XT RD and 105 FD. Both bikes have the same
> > handlebar and saddle set ups.so why is the QB as heavy as the
> > RAM
>
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[RBW] Re: Staff Bikes

[usuk2007]

Good one.:-). I wonder if he left it like that for a 100 years if
it would develop some beausage. Kidding apart it's nice to see some
real life bike pics on the Riv site, it would be nice to see a few
more.

On Apr 10, 8:12 pm, David Estes  wrote:
> Inspiration for the Bombadil double tube?
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Gino Zahnd  wrote:
>
> > (prototype, no pump peg)
>
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:00 PM, rcnute  wrote:
>
> > > I like the pump on Grant's bike.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
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[RBW] Re: Staff Bikes

[usuk2007]

That saddle tilt looks extreme. As someone who has 3 freewheels on my
QB I like the sticker too. However, I just can't love those
Sackvilles, I don't know if it's the colour scheme or the shape, but
they look so cheap.

On Apr 10, 3:26 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
> To each his own, I suppose, but the tilt on John's saddle looks like
> it might be pretty hard on the Johnson.
>
> On Apr 10, 12:14 pm, Bill Connell  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Kelly  wrote:
>
> > >  Hey, I just noticed a new staff bikes section on the Rivendell
> > > website.  It looks like they're going to put up pictures of all the
> > > staff's bikes at some point.  Here's the link:
>
> > >http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998
>
> > I love the sticker on John's rear fender.
>
> > --
> > Bill Connell
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs Rambouillet weight

[usuk2007]

...and I though I'd save all that work by picking the brains of the
list. I'm not curious enough to start dismantling anything so I'll
have to disappoint you...sorry

On Apr 10, 1:23 pm, Horace  wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:34 AM, usuk2007 wrote:
>
>
>
> > I weighed my Quickbeam and my Rambouillet last night and both came in
> > at 25lbs. I was very surprised as I'd expected the Quickbeam to be a
> > couple of pounds lighter. The Quickbeam is stock apart from having a
> > double White Ind freewheel one one side and a 22t freewheel on the
> > other. The Ram has White Ind MI5 hubs, Velocity Dyad rims and a big
> > 11/34 Shimano cassette, XT RD and 105 FD. Both bikes have the same
> > handlebar and saddle set ups.so why is the QB as heavy as the
> > RAM
>
> LOL -- you're the one with the scale, you tell us! :-) Start stripping both
> bikes and weigh the components. And report back, because now I'm curious
> too.
>
> Horace.
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs Rambouillet weight

[usuk2007]

Oops I have a small marks rack on the QB so that's about 12oz to take
off
still Ram 25lbs QB 24.25lbs, The QB seems heavy, is it the tubing or
the
rims and hubs?. The freewheels aren't light, but they can't be as much
as a full
cassette and those derailleurs...

On Apr 10, 9:41 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> My QB, stock except for Phil hubs (fixed/fixed) and Velocity rims,
> weighs in at 26 pounds (with a seat bag and a Nitto rack).
>
> --Ericwww.wheelsnorth.orgwww.campyonly.com
>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:34 AM, usuk2007 wrote:
>
>
>
> > I weighed my Quickbeam and my Rambouillet last night and both came in
> > at 25lbs. I was very surprised as I'd expected the Quickbeam to be a
> > couple of pounds lighter. The Quickbeam is stock apart from having a
> > double White Ind freewheel one one side and a 22t freewheel on the
> > other. The Ram has White Ind MI5 hubs, Velocity Dyad rims and a big
> > 11/34 Shimano cassette, XT RD and 105 FD. Both bikes have the same
> > handlebar and saddle set ups.so why is the QB as heavy as the
> > RAM
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[RBW] Quickbeam vs Rambouillet weight

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I weighed my Quickbeam and my Rambouillet last night and both came in
at 25lbs. I was very surprised as I'd expected the Quickbeam to be a
couple of pounds lighter. The Quickbeam is stock apart from having a
double White Ind freewheel one one side and a 22t freewheel on the
other. The Ram has White Ind MI5 hubs, Velocity Dyad rims and a big
11/34 Shimano cassette, XT RD and 105 FD. Both bikes have the same
handlebar and saddle set ups.so why is the QB as heavy as the
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[RBW] Re: Here's a post about *riding* a Rivendell!

[usuk2007]

PS ride was done in a Walz Wool Worsted cap

On Apr 9, 10:05 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
> I know some of how you feel, I don't do fixed, but have my Quickbeam
> set up with
> a 67" gear and just got back from 4 repeats of riding up Belmont Hill
> MA on
> Clifton St to the Arlington Water tower. It averages 5% for 1.3miles
> with a couple
> of short 10% bits. I'm 48 and 200lbs so this is an achievement for me.
>
> On Apr 9, 4:50 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
> > I am strictly a short distance rider, but occasionally I get antsy and do
> > something like a 30 or 35 miler. One advantage of being self employed is
> > that I can neglect my work when I feel like it, and I felt like it this
> > morning. Since the iBob list is down, I must unburden myself to y'all.
>
> > I did an out and back Tramway hill (7 miles) ride this late morning and,
> > guess what? I did the entire thing (on my April/1999 Joe Fixed Custom,
> > celebrating its 10th this month) in the 75" gear. I had a vast tailwind, NW
> > 20 gusts to 30, but still, I am proud; not bad for a 3K a year 54 year old,
> > no? And I feel fine. I stood for 8/10 of a mile on the steepest section, but
> > otherwise just turned th cranks slowly at 10 or 11 mph, averaging a whopping
> > 15 mph rt. On the downhill return, the wind was strong enough that, where I
> > usually have to exert considerable backpressure to keep my speed to 25 mph,
> > lest the bike run away with me, I actually had to ride the distance mostly
> > in the drops. My knees are fine, and I am more convinced than ever that
> > climbing fixed (and riding against strong headwinds) is simply a matter of
> > physiological adaptation and pacing yourself -- and it's the pacing -- call
> > it psychological adaptation -- that makes riding fixed so fun, for me.
>
> > No padded shorts, no gloves, no helmet, clips and straps -- MKS RX-1s
> > (better than the Dura Aces the replaced!) and old Rivats, a water bottle
> > full of water and another full of home brew syntho-gatorade, and I did fine.
>
> > Nice bike! Nice ride!
>
> > --
> > Patrick Moore
> > Albuquerque, NM
> > Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com
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[RBW] Re: Here's a post about *riding* a Rivendell!

[usuk2007]

I know some of how you feel, I don't do fixed, but have my Quickbeam
set up with
a 67" gear and just got back from 4 repeats of riding up Belmont Hill
MA on
Clifton St to the Arlington Water tower. It averages 5% for 1.3miles
with a couple
of short 10% bits. I'm 48 and 200lbs so this is an achievement for me.

On Apr 9, 4:50 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> I am strictly a short distance rider, but occasionally I get antsy and do
> something like a 30 or 35 miler. One advantage of being self employed is
> that I can neglect my work when I feel like it, and I felt like it this
> morning. Since the iBob list is down, I must unburden myself to y'all.
>
> I did an out and back Tramway hill (7 miles) ride this late morning and,
> guess what? I did the entire thing (on my April/1999 Joe Fixed Custom,
> celebrating its 10th this month) in the 75" gear. I had a vast tailwind, NW
> 20 gusts to 30, but still, I am proud; not bad for a 3K a year 54 year old,
> no? And I feel fine. I stood for 8/10 of a mile on the steepest section, but
> otherwise just turned th cranks slowly at 10 or 11 mph, averaging a whopping
> 15 mph rt. On the downhill return, the wind was strong enough that, where I
> usually have to exert considerable backpressure to keep my speed to 25 mph,
> lest the bike run away with me, I actually had to ride the distance mostly
> in the drops. My knees are fine, and I am more convinced than ever that
> climbing fixed (and riding against strong headwinds) is simply a matter of
> physiological adaptation and pacing yourself -- and it's the pacing -- call
> it psychological adaptation -- that makes riding fixed so fun, for me.
>
> No padded shorts, no gloves, no helmet, clips and straps -- MKS RX-1s
> (better than the Dura Aces the replaced!) and old Rivats, a water bottle
> full of water and another full of home brew syntho-gatorade, and I did fine.
>
> Nice bike! Nice ride!
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com
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[RBW] Re: UK touring documentary

[usuk2007]

Those are classics. Even though Palin is poking fun at all the Freds
he must have
seen touring in his youth he still captures some of the fun of touring
with the
smile on his face as he ambles along and all the adventures he
encounters along the way.


On Apr 7, 2:03 pm, Karl M  wrote:
> Don't forget:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddqcWOQvp6k
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmXE-TNU5f
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COI5WWm83Jc
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2X4Ols6mPE
>
> and finally
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCdIe0wdvU
>
> ;-)
> km
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[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack Large... initial experiences

[usuk2007]

Here's a link with prices in $

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/m/cycle/7/Carradice/

As far as the Carradice hardware goes I agree that it feels a bit
"tinny", it's not
thick shinny brass, it's more matt and you think that it might be
brittle. However,
in 30 years of using Carradice I've never had any hardware snap so
while
it's not as fancy as the Riv hardware it seems to do the job and at
$78
for a Nelson Longflap vs $175 for the Sackville medium the loss of
some
shinny hardware doesn't seem to much of a hardship.

Also you have the knowledge that you are using a product that's been
around for
70 years and is made by a family owned business in Northern England.
These seem to be very BOBish/Riv qualities in a product.

I can't really comment on the performance of the Sackvilles as I
haven't seen
one in the flesh (or should that be Canvas), but i do know that the
Carradice
big saddle bags work and are tough. I only wish they did a better
range of front
bags. This is where Acorn is doing nice things with their Handlebar
and Rando
bags. I have a Handlebar bag on order as Carradice just doesn't have
anything
comparable in their range.

On Apr 6, 11:23 am, usuk2007  wrote:
> Yes I just looked at Wiggle andhere are the numbers
>
> Item name   Qty Total
>
> Carradice Nelson Saddle Bag
>
> 1
> $ 60.84
>
> Add Voucher / Go To Basket
> Goods Total $60.84
>
> Delivery$11.91
>
> Priority Despatch   $5.95
>
> You Pay $78.69
>
> So the nelson longflap can be had for less than half the price of the
> Sackvilles
> at $175 and $200. Seems like a no brainer to me. Go to Wiggle and buy
> away.
>
> On Apr 6, 9:51 am, Thomas Lynn Skean 
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I've saved real money by purchasing from UK stores also.
> > Specifically "Wiggle", whose name I can't fathom. They do free
> > shipping to the USA with orders of $150 ($, not £... I think it's
> > roughly a £100 threshold). They carry some Brooks bags but not
> > Carradice as far as I know. They do take Paypal. And their website
> > will show you prices in $ with the VAT removed if you indicate that
> > you're shopping for "despatch" to the USA. I knocked a good 30% off
> > good US prices I found on a couple of things. Both times I ordered
> > from them I got the stuff (with the free shipping) in a week and a
> > half.
>
> > Another low on the list "con" I should mention about the Sackvilles in
> > general: they're black! I really like the tan or olive drab look. But
> > I think there's a thing about wanting bike bags to have reflective
> > stuff on them. And I don't think reflective stuff goes very well with
> > whole neutral tan drab idea in daylight or, perhaps more
> > significantly, in advertisements. And overall, in spite of the
> > blackness, I do like the look of the Sackvilles. The leather color and
> > the brass work very well to make the black look good. To my eye,
> > anyway. And the SaddleSacks appeal to me in some way as they look a
> > little like VW Beetles. Go figure. My parents had one when I was 5 or
> > so.
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[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack Large... initial experiences

[usuk2007]

Yes I just looked at Wiggle andhere are the numbers



Item name   Qty Total

Carradice Nelson Saddle Bag


1
$ 60.84

Add Voucher / Go To Basket
Goods Total $60.84

Delivery$11.91

Priority Despatch   $5.95


You Pay $78.69

So the nelson longflap can be had for less than half the price of the
Sackvilles
at $175 and $200. Seems like a no brainer to me. Go to Wiggle and buy
away.

On Apr 6, 9:51 am, Thomas Lynn Skean 
wrote:
> Yes, I've saved real money by purchasing from UK stores also.
> Specifically "Wiggle", whose name I can't fathom. They do free
> shipping to the USA with orders of $150 ($, not £... I think it's
> roughly a £100 threshold). They carry some Brooks bags but not
> Carradice as far as I know. They do take Paypal. And their website
> will show you prices in $ with the VAT removed if you indicate that
> you're shopping for "despatch" to the USA. I knocked a good 30% off
> good US prices I found on a couple of things. Both times I ordered
> from them I got the stuff (with the free shipping) in a week and a
> half.
>
> Another low on the list "con" I should mention about the Sackvilles in
> general: they're black! I really like the tan or olive drab look. But
> I think there's a thing about wanting bike bags to have reflective
> stuff on them. And I don't think reflective stuff goes very well with
> whole neutral tan drab idea in daylight or, perhaps more
> significantly, in advertisements. And overall, in spite of the
> blackness, I do like the look of the Sackvilles. The leather color and
> the brass work very well to make the black look good. To my eye,
> anyway. And the SaddleSacks appeal to me in some way as they look a
> little like VW Beetles. Go figure. My parents had one when I was 5 or
> so.
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[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack Large... initial experiences

[usuk2007]

If you order from the UK the Nelson Longflap and the Camper Longflap
can be had for 50 pounds. At current exchange rates thats $75. I
looked into it further and delivery costs a whopping 30 pounds making
the total is $112 once VAT is taken off. So the 50% saving doesn't
hold up with delivery, but it's still a good buy and
there's just something about the Sackvilles that turns me off, just a
personal aesthetics thing.

http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/product-Carradice_of_Nelson-Carradice-Nelson-Longflap-Saddlebag--Black-with-White-Straps-632.htm

On Apr 6, 12:52 am, RoadieRyan  wrote:
> First off great review thanks for sending that out Thomas.
>
> Second when I read the response saying Carrdice bags were "half the
> price" of the Riv bags my bargain seeking heart skipped a beat.  I
> have heard nothing but good things about both bags so I decided to
> look it up.  The Carradice Nelson Long flag holds about 18 Liters and
> is $139 at WallBike which compares to the Sackville SaddleSack Meduim
> also 18 L capacity which is available at Riv for $175.  Now if I did
> my math correct, not always a sure thing, the Carradice is about a 20%
> discount off the price of the comparable Sackville.  A nice savings
> but not quite 50%, regardless I am sure either would be a fine choice.
>
> On Apr 5, 6:10 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean 
> wrote:
>
> > Oh, I should point out, lest anyone rightly call "shenanigans"... I
> > notice I said "snap-on outer pockets"... that's wrong, there's only
> > one snap-on outer pocket.
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[RBW] Re: Sackville SaddleSack Large... initial experiences

[usuk2007]

Big saddle bags have been around for decades. Carradice do a couple
with a 24L capacity, the Camper and Super C. This isn't as big as
the Sackville Large, but compares with the medium. My personal
favourite is the Nelson Longflap with an 18L capacity which I use for
touring. The Carradice bags are also half the price of the Rivendells
and IMHO look better than the Sackvilles.

One comment I agree with in the original review is that saddle bags
need D rings for a shoulder strap. I've added these to my Nelson Long
flap for easy carrying off the bike, works a treat, see the photo in
the link below. The Sackville Large is probably a bit too big for
practicality as alluded to in the review as it's hard to carry. Also I
notice that the RBW website shows the saddlebags attached to the
saddle with the buckles outside of the bag. This is a poor way to
mount the bag as it can sway, there should be no need to strap the
bottom of the saddle bag to the rack. It's far better to have the
buckle inside the bag so the bag can be brought tight up against the
saddle to reduce sway. Mounting my Nelson Longflap this way and
tightening the seatpost strap around the upright of a rack the bag is
firmly held and I can get out of the saddle for tough climbs without
noticing the 18L saddlebag.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8342...@n02/


On Apr 5, 4:40 pm, "J. Burkhalter"  wrote:
> Thanks Thomas!  Always appreciate such detailed reviews of products I
> can't get my grubby l'il hands on before ordering.  And a train/bike
> commute?  Sounds nice to me...
>
> -Jay
> Asheville, NC
>
> On Apr 5, 12:32 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi.
>
> > Context:
>
> > I've been using my SaddleSack Large as a commuting bag for the past
> > two weeks. For me it has worked out very very well. I have a 3-5 mile
> > bike ride followed by a 45 minute train ride, followed by a 5 minute
> > walk. I often change to office clothes on the train.
>
> > The SaddleSack Large holds a *lot* of stuff. While riding, I use it to
> > carry my office clothes, breakfast (I eat it on the train), coffee
> > thermos (see VO), water bottle, lunch (which often makes it all the
> > way to work before I eat it), extra clothes (for temperature drops),
> > and "stuff-to-do" on the train. Sometimes the "stuff" is a book,
> > sometimes some small project of some kind. Importantly, the bag is big
> > enough to hold the clothes I wear to ride my bike (during which time
> > *I* wear the office clothes). This enables me to change on the train.
> > Riding clothes take up over twice the space of office clothes during
> > the winter. Note that I ride in my office shoes, covered with
> > something if indicated. (Pedal Free Or Die!:) Grip Kings Or Bust!:)
> > The bag doesn't have to carry any shoes. It does sometimes carry my
> > jacket if the temperature rises. All of this goes in the main
> > compartment. The side pockets have bike-y things (straps, a few tools,
> > etc.) and thus are not really involved in the typical day. The front
> > pockets carry gloves (in one pocket) and a balaclava (in the other).
> > The snap-on outer pockets carries wallet, keys, a multi-tool, change,
> > etc.
>
> > It's important to note that I am large (6' 1", 250lbs+, only the Jumbo
> > wool from RBW comes close to fitting me) so the fact that the
> > SaddleSack Large holds all of this stuff is significant. Big people
> > use big clothes. And take more food. So when I say it carries my
> > clothes and food, I mean it carries a substantial amount of clothes
> > and food. More than you may be envisioning.
>
> > I'd say loaded the loaded bag weighs about 15 lbs on a typical day.
> > (Previously I used an Arkel Tail Rider with an Ostrich pannier to
> > carry mostly the same stuff; but it was hard to do the change-on-train
> > thing that way.)
>
> > I use the Nitto Saddlebag Grip on and off the bike with my SaddleSack.
> > I've low-overlap wrapped it in cork tape for some cushion. It works
> > well for me, though it is not as nice a handle as a purpose-built
> > handle would be.
>
> > Summary: I love it
>
> > Pros: (a short list of short descriptions of overwhelmingly positive
> > aspects)
>
> > It's pretty (I was actually, seriously, stopped by a woman to point
> > out that she liked what she tentatively called my "briefcase".)
>
> > It is extremely easy to load and unload for 99% of stuff (see
> > "Cons:").
>
> > Though it rained moderately on some of my rides with it, none of my
> > stuff in it gotten wet. (It's much more meaningful to say this than to
> > get into a discussion of "waterproof" vs. "water-resistant").
>
> > For me, the organization of it is perfect (daily things in main
> > compartment, regular things in outer pockets, the separate pouch).
>
> > Cons: (a short list of longer descriptions of negative but
> > substantially less important-to-me aspects)
>
> > It is not a great thing to carry while walking. It isn't balanced and
> > is too wide. That's okay for me; I'm not taking on any hike

[RBW] Re: Wool Cycling Hat

[usuk2007]

Check out waltz caps they do a Large which has plenty of room in it. I
have
one of their small/mediums in a tropical weight worsted wool and
really like it

http://walzcaps.com/caps_unique.html


On Apr 5, 4:00 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote:
> My problem is I have a big head (hey, watch it!). I wear a 7  5/8 hat size
> and every cycling cap I've tried is too small. Any suggestions  short of
> knitting my own?
> Bill
> Louisville, Ky
>
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[RBW] Re: UK touring documentary

[usuk2007]

Sorry bad link, part 1 is at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKfNKNxntY0&feature=related

On Apr 4, 7:51 pm, usuk2007  wrote:
> This is an interesting bit about touring and also shows the UK as it
> was in the 1970s...very nostalgic for me.
> Nice use of Carradice capes and saddlebags is shown in part 2
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKfNK...eature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dahGaL6ehjc&NR=1
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[RBW] UK touring documentary

[usuk2007]

This is an interesting bit about touring and also shows the UK as it
was in the 1970s...very nostalgic for me.
Nice use of Carradice capes and saddlebags is shown in part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKfNK...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dahGaL6ehjc&NR=1
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Double Kickstand

[usuk2007]

I'll be cc touring in the UK on my QB this summer. I use free wheels
and have several
gear options, even 32x22 for the hills, although 40x16 works well most
of the time.

http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/England2009

On Mar 27, 1:28 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Touring on the Quickbeam?  Oh, yeah.  How about this: 400 miles in
> four days, fixed gear touring over several mountain ranges:
>
> http://www.campyonly.com/mypages/2006/pre_fixe.html
>
> And, of course ... Paris-Brest fixed on a Quickbeam.  765 miles in
> 82.5 hours
>
> Anything is possible on the QB if you're willing to suffer a little.
>
> --Eric
> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org
>
> On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:12 AM, J. Burkhalter wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Touring on the Quickbeam.  I like it!
>
> > Bring on the pics of the homemade touring bags and racks!  And the
> > Quickbeam of course, too!
>
> > -Jay
> > Asheville, NC
>
> > On Mar 27, 1:52 pm, Paul  wrote:
> >> In anticipation of heading out on tour this summer through
> >> the eastern Provinces of Canada and New England Organic
> >> Farms I picked up a double kickstand for my Quickbeam.
>
> >> It works too well.  Lash the front wheel to keep it from
> >> twisting and shift away.
>
> >> Hadn't seen any posts on this and figured it might be useful.
>
> >> Cheers.
>
> >> (pics of homemade leather/canvas panniers,
> >> box bag, dedicated camping saddlebag, and rack hack
> >> based around a nitto mini front to come...)
>
> --Eric
> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org
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[RBW] Re: Albatross bars

[usuk2007]

+1 on wrapping the curved part of the bars to give another hand
position.
I also installed some interrupter brakes.

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc181r2-clivestandley0808.html


On Mar 8, 12:02 am, "Bill M."  wrote:
> I wrapped the area forward of the brake levers on mine.  That's a nice
> alternate hand position.
>
> Bill
>
> Angus wrote:
> > This weekend I changed to Albatross handlebars on my All-Rounder.  If
> > anyone has any suggestions/hints/advice I would welcome the input.
> > Many thanks to Keven & Grant at RBW for the quick answers to my e-mail
> > questions.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/3336687848/
>
> > I made the change to give myself a bike with a much more upright
> > riding position; I was delt a back that sometimes behaves and feels
> > great and other times is painful and stiff.  These bars sure seem
> > comfy so far!
>
> > Angus
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