Re: [RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

[DMG]

Slightly off topic, but Eric: what did you do to get retention with on your 
Brompton? I switched to MKS folding pedals, which are a bit grippier but 
they're still pretty lousy and I'm sick of having my foot slip off and 
bashing myself in the heel (which happens way too frequently and definitely 
offsets any flat-pedal comfort gains).
Dan, DC

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 1:31:56 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I gave flat pedals the old college try recently when I bought a Brompton. 
> It didn't take long to discover that I like the feeling of clipless pedals 
> better. I'm familiar with the arguments in favor of flat pedals, but I just 
> find clipped-in riding to be more comfortable. (That's an opinion, by the 
> way, not a fact.) 
>
> Next, let's talk about whether your bicycle is "standing" on the spokes on 
> the bottom of the wheel or "hanging" from the spokes on the top! 
>
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Re: [RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

[Eric Norris]

I put a pair of standard clipless pedals (Crank Bros) on my Brompton. For 
day-to-day folding this doesn’t cause a problem. If I need to put it in a case, 
I just have to remove the non-drive pedal, which of course no longer folds. 
Takes a few seconds.

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> On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:58 AM, DMG  wrote:
> 
> Slightly off topic, but Eric: what did you do to get retention with on your 
> Brompton? I switched to MKS folding pedals, which are a bit grippier but 
> they're still pretty lousy and I'm sick of having my foot slip off and 
> bashing myself in the heel (which happens way too frequently and definitely 
> offsets any flat-pedal comfort gains).
> Dan, DC
> 
> On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 1:31:56 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
> I gave flat pedals the old college try recently when I bought a Brompton. It 
> didn't take long to discover that I like the feeling of clipless pedals 
> better. I'm familiar with the arguments in favor of flat pedals, but I just 
> find clipped-in riding to be more comfortable. (That's an opinion, by the 
> way, not a fact.) 
> 
> Next, let's talk about whether your bicycle is "standing" on the spokes on 
> the bottom of the wheel or "hanging" from the spokes on the top! 
> 
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com  
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com  
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Re: [RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I went to flat/platform while riding the Siuthern Tier in 2011. I got sick and 
tired of "hotfoot" and have never considered going back. I have since switched 
from Grip Kings to Thin Gripsters. I love them and can get off the bike and 
walk normally and never have the foot pain I had with SPD and Speedplay.

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[RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

[Garth]

I pedal like a purring cat kneading in bliss 

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Re: [RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

[William deRosset]

>Next, let's talk about whether your bicycle is "standing" on the spokes on 
the bottom of the wheel or "hanging" from the spokes on the top! 

Dear Eric,

Cool! Pluck the spokes of your very evenly tensioned wheel on Earth, with 
the tires deflated, the wheels supporting the bike on the ground and a 
touring load (five bags of cat litter or a couple of sandbags work well 
too--as long as you can balance the load well) and you can tell us whatcha 
find--if you've got decent ears! I strongly suspect the result will be the 
same without regard to your pedal choice. 

All of my wheels sound like discarded props from the *Triplets of 
Belleville* and all my local bikes have SPD pedals these days, so I don't 
have the means to perform the experiment here. 

Besides I pedal squares with flats. Besides, I rode a fixed wheel from 
December to March for many years, and ended up being much more comfortable 
riding with clips/straps and, after the ski-binding revolution, "clipless 
(a pretty thorough misnomer--strapless is more like it)", and thence to 
walkable cleats (ATACs and SPDs). I have a set of flat pedals for guests, 
and I install them on their chosen bike while they visit

Cheers,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 11:31:56 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I gave flat pedals the old college try recently when I bought a Brompton. 
> It didn't take long to discover that I like the feeling of clipless pedals 
> better. I'm familiar with the arguments in favor of flat pedals, but I just 
> find clipped-in riding to be more comfortable. (That's an opinion, by the 
> way, not a fact.) 
>
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> > On Dec 9, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Abcyclehank  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Relevant Yes!  Productive? Pedal/crank theory probably follows only 
> helmet use, gun advocacy/control, abortion/pro-life, and coffee production 
> techniques.  Let the games begin.  Personally I enjoy the opinionated 
> banter. 
> > 
> > Ryan 
> > West Michigan. 
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Re: [RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

[William deRosset]

>From the article:
"When you last rode your bike with flat shoes, or your pub cruiser / fixie, 
did your foot keep lifting off the pedal through the back of the stroke? Do 
your cleats actually allow you to add more power through the back of the 
stroke or simply make you feel like you have better contact with your bike?"

My experience is: "Yes, until I adjusted to just pushing down" and 
"Probably the latter."

Best,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO
 

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[RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

[Abcyclehank]

No glad you did. Interesting to see different individuals perspective.  Like 
you Chad I have bounced back and forth over the years.  Today I have a go-fast 
road bike with and the rest of my bikes without.  Both feel right to me. 
Whatever gets someone out riding with happy feet and mind is right in my 
opinion.

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

[Steven Sweedler]

I had been using clipless from the early  days of The Look/Mavic pedals,
switched to SPD. While on a tour in 2014 I started using the unclipped side
of the Shimano 530 pedals When I got home I switched to pinned platform
pedals and haven't missed clipless at all. Still wearing Shimano sandals
for most of my miles. Steve

Plymouth, N.H.

On Thursday, December 10, 2015, clyde canter  wrote:

> I gave riding without retention a fair chance (over a year). It took more
> time to unlearn clipless than it did to learn. My two cents.  If clipless
> pedals were banished from the face of the earth I'd adapt. Given the choice
> I'll take clipless anyday.
> IM (most) HO
>
> Clyde Canter
>
> Ps, I read the theories of improving pedal stroke and all that. In
> conclusion, I'm still inefficient, slow and no better from riding with or
> without.  Having a blast still though!
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Abcyclehank  > wrote:
>
>> Relevant Yes!  Productive? Pedal/crank theory probably follows only
>> helmet use, gun advocacy/control, abortion/pro-life, and coffee production
>> techniques.  Let the games begin.  Personally I enjoy the opinionated
>> banter.
>>
>> Ryan
>> West Michigan.
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Re: [RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

[clyde canter]

I gave riding without retention a fair chance (over a year). It took more
time to unlearn clipless than it did to learn. My two cents.  If clipless
pedals were banished from the face of the earth I'd adapt. Given the choice
I'll take clipless anyday.
IM (most) HO

Clyde Canter

Ps, I read the theories of improving pedal stroke and all that. In
conclusion, I'm still inefficient, slow and no better from riding with or
without.  Having a blast still though!

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:

> Relevant Yes!  Productive? Pedal/crank theory probably follows only helmet
> use, gun advocacy/control, abortion/pro-life, and coffee production
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> banter.
>
> Ryan
> West Michigan.
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[RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

[Chad]

I believe this is relevant to this group :-) 

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/article/the-idea-of-a-smooth-and-effecient-pedal-stroke-45868/

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[RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

[Abcyclehank]

Relevant Yes!  Productive? Pedal/crank theory probably follows only helmet use, 
gun advocacy/control, abortion/pro-life, and coffee production techniques.  Let 
the games begin.  Personally I enjoy the opinionated banter.

Ryan
West Michigan.

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Re: [RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

[Eric Norris]

I gave flat pedals the old college try recently when I bought a Brompton. It 
didn't take long to discover that I like the feeling of clipless pedals better. 
I'm familiar with the arguments in favor of flat pedals, but I just find 
clipped-in riding to be more comfortable. (That's an opinion, by the way, not a 
fact.)

Next, let's talk about whether your bicycle is "standing" on the spokes on the 
bottom of the wheel or "hanging" from the spokes on the top!

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:
> 
> Relevant Yes!  Productive? Pedal/crank theory probably follows only helmet 
> use, gun advocacy/control, abortion/pro-life, and coffee production 
> techniques.  Let the games begin.  Personally I enjoy the opinionated banter.
> 
> Ryan
> West Michigan.
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[RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

[Chad]

Sorry, maybe I should not have posted that article here.  I guess it just 
reiterates what Grant has advocating for years.  For the record, I alternate 
back and forth between flats and clip less and like them both depending on my 
riding style.

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