Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow. Just saw this.

Setting the saddle 1” too high doesn’t sound to me like a difference in 
philosophy and more like somebody didn’t know what the F* they were doing.

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> On Apr 11, 2022, at 9:07 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> 
>> The Retul fit had put his saddle height 2.5 cm too high, and he was reaching 
>> to the bottom of the pedal stroke. 

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Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

[Richard Rose]

Thanks! Things to consider.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2022, at 10:36 AM, James / Analog Cycles  
> wrote:
> 
> The thing with bike fit is that there is always room for improvement and 
> more knowledge.  For instance, I recently did a fit with a guy who had been 
> fit using the Retul method.  He was complaining of knee pain and lower back 
> pain.  The Retul fit had put his saddle height 2.5 cm too high, and he was 
> reaching to the bottom of the pedal stroke.  Thing of it is: he thought it 
> was good, and he was fast and powerful, and that the pain was just a side 
> effect, something he had to work through.  I've fit many riders who thought 
> they had a proper fit but had still had pain, and often their set up is 
> wildly off, to the point of being damaging to their bodies.  I'm not saying I 
> have all the answers, or even most of them.  I am just saying there should 
> always be room for a second look, and certainly always a place for 
> improvement.  
> 
> -james
> 
>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 6:31:38 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>> Very interesting! Thank you for shedding some light on this. I am ‘wide bar 
>> curious’, but 44cm Cowchippers, Jones Loop Bars at 710mm and Sycip JJJ bars 
>> seem to work well for me.
>> 
>>> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Fascinating! But, does any of this translate to swept back bars - Bosco, 
>>> Tosco…? I feel very comfortable riding my 650 wide Tosco’s. However, I am 
>>> noticing some inexplicable tension/pain between my shoulder blades. Never 
>>> while riding mind you.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 10, 2022, at 4:43 PM, James / Analog Cycles  
> wrote:
> 
 
>>> 
 I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
 might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
 formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to 
 be more or less on point every time.  
 Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
 https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker
 
 -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
 Season Canvas
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

[James / Analog Cycles]

The thing with bike fit is that there is always room for improvement and 
more knowledge.  For instance, I recently did a fit with a guy who had been 
fit using the Retul method.  He was complaining of knee pain and lower back 
pain.  The Retul fit had put his saddle height 2.5 cm too high, and he was 
reaching to the bottom of the pedal stroke.  Thing of it is: he thought it 
was good, and he was fast and powerful, and that the pain was just a side 
effect, something he had to work through.  I've fit many riders who thought 
they had a proper fit but had still had pain, and often their set up is 
wildly off, to the point of being damaging to their bodies.  I'm not saying 
I have all the answers, or even most of them.  I am just saying there 
should always be room for a second look, and certainly always a place for 
improvement.  

-james

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 6:31:38 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> Very interesting! Thank you for shedding some light on this. I am ‘wide 
> bar curious’, but 44cm Cowchippers, Jones Loop Bars at 710mm and Sycip JJJ 
> bars seem to work well for me.
>
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Fascinating! But, does any of this translate to swept back bars - Bosco, 
>> Tosco…? I feel very comfortable riding my 650 wide Tosco’s. However, I am 
>> noticing some inexplicable tension/pain between my shoulder blades. Never 
>> while riding mind you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2022, at 4:43 PM, James / Analog Cycles  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
>> might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
>> formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to 
>> be more or less on point every time.  
>> Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
>> https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker
>>
>> -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
>> Season Canvas
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

[James / Analog Cycles]

Richard,  
I can't really speak to much to off the bike pain, as I am not a doctor of 
any sort, but does the pain happen immediately after riding?  Or do you 
wake up the next day in pain after riding, but *not* in pain on the day 
after *not* riding?  If you wake up in pain only after riding, it's 
probably riding position related.  

The formula is only for swept back bars in the realm of 35-45 degrees.  I 
don't have a formula for Albatross shaped bars, but my rule is if you are 
slight with narrow shoulders, pick the narrower of the two options. Bars 
that are too wide can easily cause a pinching sensation between the 
shoulder blades and at the base of the neck.  Make sure the tips of your 
bars are angled down, at least 12 degrees.  If they are flat or pointed up, 
it will be very unergonomic.  

-james
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:53:40 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Fascinating! But, does any of this translate to swept back bars - Bosco, 
> Tosco…? I feel very comfortable riding my 650 wide Tosco’s. However, I am 
> noticing some inexplicable tension/pain between my shoulder blades. Never 
> while riding mind you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 10, 2022, at 4:43 PM, James / Analog Cycles  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
> might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
> formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to 
> be more or less on point every time.  
> Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
> https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker
>
> -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
> Season Canvas
>
>
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Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

[larson....@gmail.com]

Very interesting! Thank you for shedding some light on this. I am ‘wide bar 
curious’, but 44cm Cowchippers, Jones Loop Bars at 710mm and Sycip JJJ bars 
seem to work well for me.

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Fascinating! But, does any of this translate to swept back bars - Bosco, 
> Tosco…? I feel very comfortable riding my 650 wide Tosco’s. However, I am 
> noticing some inexplicable tension/pain between my shoulder blades. Never 
> while riding mind you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 10, 2022, at 4:43 PM, James / Analog Cycles  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
> might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
> formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to 
> be more or less on point every time.  
> Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
> https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker
>
> -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
> Season Canvas
>
>
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Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

[Richard Rose]

Fascinating! But, does any of this translate to swept back bars - Bosco, 
Tosco…? I feel very comfortable riding my 650 wide Tosco’s. However, I am 
noticing some inexplicable tension/pain between my shoulder blades. Never while 
riding mind you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 10, 2022, at 4:43 PM, James / Analog Cycles  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
> might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
> formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to be 
> more or less on point every time.  
> Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
> https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker
> 
> -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
> Season Canvas
> 
> 
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[RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

[James / Analog Cycles]

I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to 
be more or less on point every time.  
Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker

-James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
Season Canvas



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