Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Danny]

Matthew,

The rear looks like an M772, and the front an M786 maybe?

-Danny


On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:29 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all, could someone please identify this pair of Deore XT derailleurs?
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[John Bokman]

What I'm wondering is if the Alpina triple will work with a 10-speed setup?

John
Portland OR

On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:30:17 PM UTC-7 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Hi Matt,
>
> That FD works excellent for me on a Crust Canti Romanceur (130mm rear hub 
> spacing) running 44-34-24 Silver crank and 110mm BB. I had to mount the FD 
> higher than I wanted to clear a pretty tall chainstay when on the smallest 
> ring so the gap between the cage and 44T ring is pretty big (~5mm).
>
> Details on the drivetrain - FD: IRD Alpina on a Problem Solvers FD mount 
> adapter; Crankset: Silver with 44T Dimension outer (ramped and pinned), 34T 
> Origin middle, and 24T Silver inner; BB: Shimano 68x110; RD: Altus RD 
> M-301; Chain: KMC X9; Cassette: Shimano HG 11-36; Shifters: Silver1 mounted 
> on the downtube.
>
> --Ed C.
> On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:47:47 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, for my existing drivetrain:
>>
>> RD: Shimano Deore M591
>> Cassette: 9sp Shimano XTR 11/34T
>> SIlver crankset 44/34/24 (standard-issue from Rivendell)
>> 9sp chain
>>
>> I need a front derailleur with a narrow 9sp cage.
>>
>> Would the Alpina Triple front derailleur work with my setup? Is the 
>> Alpina Triple designed to work with 7/8-speeds, or 9/10 speeds?
>>
>>
>> https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/60120-ird-alpina-front-derailleur-triple-braze-on-4020
>>
>> (It’s braze-on, so I would be getting the 28.6 clamp.)
>>
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Ed Carolipio]

Hi Matt,

That FD works excellent for me on a Crust Canti Romanceur (130mm rear hub 
spacing) running 44-34-24 Silver crank and 110mm BB. I had to mount the FD 
higher than I wanted to clear a pretty tall chainstay when on the smallest 
ring so the gap between the cage and 44T ring is pretty big (~5mm).

Details on the drivetrain - FD: IRD Alpina on a Problem Solvers FD mount 
adapter; Crankset: Silver with 44T Dimension outer (ramped and pinned), 34T 
Origin middle, and 24T Silver inner; BB: Shimano 68x110; RD: Altus RD 
M-301; Chain: KMC X9; Cassette: Shimano HG 11-36; Shifters: Silver1 mounted 
on the downtube.

--Ed C.
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:47:47 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone, for my existing drivetrain:
>
> RD: Shimano Deore M591
> Cassette: 9sp Shimano XTR 11/34T
> SIlver crankset 44/34/24 (standard-issue from Rivendell)
> 9sp chain
>
> I need a front derailleur with a narrow 9sp cage.
>
> Would the Alpina Triple front derailleur work with my setup? Is the Alpina 
> Triple designed to work with 7/8-speeds, or 9/10 speeds?
>
>
> https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/60120-ird-alpina-front-derailleur-triple-braze-on-4020
>
> (It’s braze-on, so I would be getting the 28.6 clamp.)
>

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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*Matt with the 44-34-24 & in need of a new FD*

I suggest a Shimano Sora FD-R3030b, a 9speed triple designed for a 45mm 
front chainline.  You can still buy these at Universal Cycles for about $30

Universal Cycles -- Shimano FD-R3030 Sora Triple Front Derailleur - 9 Speed 
[EFDR3030X, EFDR3030F] 

.

Amazon has them for $28.

I use it with a Sugino TD-2 46-36-26 triple with 130mm OLD rear hub, 
Shimano HG-400 12-36T- 9 cassette and a Shimano Deore RD-M591.  My front 
chain line is 44.1mm and rear is 43.6mm (middle cog).  Shifts great.   It 
has a nice, standard bottom pull mechanism, no lever arm bending the cable 
to the stop as used on the dual pull designs.

A 1980's Shimano Deore MT-60 (a triple) also shifts great.  

Your Altus should work.  The only problem is IF it was designed for a 50mm 
front chainline, there may not be enough LOW stop adjustment to shift to 
the Inner ring.  Found this out with a Shimano FD-M781 with setup described 
above.  The Sora cleared this up.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 6:50:48 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Crankset and chainrings:
>
> SIlver 173
> 44 x 34 x 24
>
>
> [image: 665_1857.JPG]
>
> Crank - Silver - Triple 44x34x24 
> 
> rivbike.com 
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Mar 26, 2023, at 3:05 PM, Peter White  wrote:
>
> Modern triple FDs are designed for a specific combination of chainrings. 
> For example, the IRD FD in the photo is an exact copy of the Shimano 9 
> speed Ultegra Triple and 105 Triple FDs. Probably made by the same company 
> that made it for Shimano. The bottom edges of the derailleur plates are 
> properly spaced for the 10 tooth difference between the outer and middle 
> chainrings of the Ultegra and 105 9 speed triple cranksets; 52 and 42 teeth 
> respectively. When properly installed, the bottom edges of the derailleur 
> will be about 1mm to 2mm above the tips of the chainring teeth when 
> shifting between the outer and middle rings. So this FD only shifts well if 
> the middle and outer rings have a 10 tooth difference. If, for example, 
> they have a 12 tooth difference, and you have the FD high enough for the 
> outer plate to clear the outer chainring, the inner plate will have a 
> larger gap to the middle ring and the shift from the inner ring will not be 
> good. With a 14 tooth difference, it's hopeless. You'll have to over-shift 
> to get the chain cleanly onto the middle chainring.
>
> So, to answer the original question, we need to know what chainring sizes 
> are on the crankset in question.
>
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 1:04 PM Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I need to replace my stock Rivendell front derailleur. Can someone please 
>> recommend a good front derailleur?
>>
>> Here’s my existing setup:
>>
>> Appaloosa
>> Rivendell Silver crankset and 3 rings
>> Rear cassette: Shimano XTR 11-34T 
>> Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore long cage
>>
>> With the exception of the rear cassette, all of the components came stock 
>> with the bike.
>>
>> I picked up a Shimano Altus FD-M311 at the swap meet. Will this work for 
>> my setup? Does a better option exist? Please let me know your 
>> recommendations, advice, opinions, and experience!
>>
>> Thanks, everyone.
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:45:08 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been having a heckuva time getting my front derailleur to go from 
>>> little to big without hopping over. Eventually, if I talked sweetly to it 
>>> and said Hail Mary three times, it would usually settle. Even took it to an 
>>> experience mechanic. He also lowered it, then slowly kept raising it up, 
>>> and also kept working the limit screw. A fraction of a turn was difference 
>>> between not reaching the big ring, or going over!
>>>
>>> It's a White Industries VBC with 46-28. FD is IRD compact triple Aplina. 
>>> Friction Microshift thumbie. I think it's bottom pull. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2391 Medium.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Any suggestions for different FD? May need different chain rings because 
>>> of that big jump, but if I do that, I may be best off buying something else 
>>> and selling these.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Matt
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Joe Bernard]

It's a copy of the late-'90s Shimano 105 9-speed triple that Riv put on 
most of their bikes for many years. I think it'll be fine. 

On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 10:47:47 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone, for my existing drivetrain:
>
> RD: Shimano Deore M591
> Cassette: 9sp Shimano XTR 11/34T
> SIlver crankset 44/34/24 (standard-issue from Rivendell)
> 9sp chain
>
> I need a front derailleur with a narrow 9sp cage.
>
> Would the Alpina Triple front derailleur work with my setup? Is the Alpina 
> Triple designed to work with 7/8-speeds, or 9/10 speeds?
>
>
> https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/60120-ird-alpina-front-derailleur-triple-braze-on-4020
>
> (It’s braze-on, so I would be getting the 28.6 clamp.)
>

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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Matthew Williams]

Hi everyone, for my existing drivetrain:

RD: Shimano Deore M591
Cassette: 9sp Shimano XTR 11/34T
SIlver crankset 44/34/24 (standard-issue from Rivendell)
9sp chain

I need a front derailleur with a narrow 9sp cage.

Would the Alpina Triple front derailleur work with my setup? Is the Alpina 
Triple designed to work with 7/8-speeds, or 9/10 speeds?

https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/60120-ird-alpina-front-derailleur-triple-braze-on-4020

(It’s braze-on, so I would be getting the 28.6 clamp.)

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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Drew Saunders]

When I was looking for a new FD for my 26-42, I looked at 7400's on eBay, 
but they weren't really all that cheap, or were quite beat up. I ended up 
with a c. 1990 Campagnolo Croce d'Aune FD from the UK that had been cleaned 
and polished so it looked like new, and it shifts the 26-42 very well. I 
also liked the idea of having as many manufacturers as possible in my drive 
train (Shimano RD, SRAM chain and cassette, Velocity hub, Silver bar-end 
shifters and Campy FD)

Drew

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 11:42:56 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've also had good luck with the 7400... currently shifting a 44/24 combo 
> quite nicely. They seem to still be reasonable on ebay but certainly are 
> more like $40-$70.
>
> Brian
>
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hehe, if you ever need to make rent put that nice used Dura-Ace mech on 
>> Ebay now 💸💸💸
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 11:28:17 AM UTC-7 Kieran J wrote:
>>
>>> Well, maybe I shouldn't speak in such absolutes :-) I got a nice used 
>>> one on eBay many years ago for $15. YMMV!
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:18:22 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 +1. My 7400-series FDs shift a 42/28 perfectly despite having to be set 
 rather high above the 42 t ring. In fact, they have to be set high to 
 clear 
 the BBBashguard in the outer position.

 Kieran: "Cheap," did you say? I'd like to get a spare; what's your 
 source?

 On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 6:42 PM Kieran J  wrote:

> My favourite FD for this type of scenario is the Dura-Ace 7400 double. 
> It works amazing on a compact wide-range crankset. Cheap as chips too.
>
> KJ
>


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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Patrick Moore]

I figgered. I do have a spare, but as with the one currently installed it
has no outer throw stop, which requires one to upshift with some care to
avoid throwing the chain over the bashguard. I cut off the outer stops on
both (I think one is 7400, the other either 7401 or 7402 with a bit more
outer throw) to use on my 2015 Matthews when I had a Bontrager 2-piece mtb
triple on it and a 168 mm Q, IIRC. The DA fds shifted fine with the other
limit perfect for the outer, but the mutilation of course complicated
things when I went back to a narrower chainline crank.

But I'll check eBay again.

On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 12:30 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Hehe, if you ever need to make rent put that nice used Dura-Ace mech on
> Ebay now 💸💸💸
>
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 11:28:17 AM UTC-7 Kieran J wrote:
>
>> Well, maybe I shouldn't speak in such absolutes :-) I got a nice used one
>> on eBay many years ago for $15. YMMV!
>>
>> KJ
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:18:22 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> +1. My 7400-series FDs shift a 42/28 perfectly despite having to be set
>>> rather high above the 42 t ring. In fact, they have to be set high to clear
>>> the BBBashguard in the outer position.
>>>
>>> Kieran: "Cheap," did you say? I'd like to get a spare; what's your
>>> source?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 6:42 PM Kieran J  wrote:
>>>
 My favourite FD for this type of scenario is the Dura-Ace 7400 double.
 It works amazing on a compact wide-range crankset. Cheap as chips too.

 KJ

>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Brian Forsee]

I've also had good luck with the 7400... currently shifting a 44/24 combo 
quite nicely. They seem to still be reasonable on ebay but certainly are 
more like $40-$70.

Brian

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hehe, if you ever need to make rent put that nice used Dura-Ace mech on 
> Ebay now 💸💸💸
>
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 11:28:17 AM UTC-7 Kieran J wrote:
>
>> Well, maybe I shouldn't speak in such absolutes :-) I got a nice used one 
>> on eBay many years ago for $15. YMMV!
>>
>> KJ
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:18:22 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> +1. My 7400-series FDs shift a 42/28 perfectly despite having to be set 
>>> rather high above the 42 t ring. In fact, they have to be set high to clear 
>>> the BBBashguard in the outer position.
>>>
>>> Kieran: "Cheap," did you say? I'd like to get a spare; what's your 
>>> source?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 6:42 PM Kieran J  wrote:
>>>
 My favourite FD for this type of scenario is the Dura-Ace 7400 double. 
 It works amazing on a compact wide-range crankset. Cheap as chips too.

 KJ

>>>
>>>
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>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Joe Bernard]

Hehe, if you ever need to make rent put that nice used Dura-Ace mech on 
Ebay now 💸💸💸

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 11:28:17 AM UTC-7 Kieran J wrote:

> Well, maybe I shouldn't speak in such absolutes :-) I got a nice used one 
> on eBay many years ago for $15. YMMV!
>
> KJ
>
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:18:22 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> +1. My 7400-series FDs shift a 42/28 perfectly despite having to be set 
>> rather high above the 42 t ring. In fact, they have to be set high to clear 
>> the BBBashguard in the outer position.
>>
>> Kieran: "Cheap," did you say? I'd like to get a spare; what's your source?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 6:42 PM Kieran J  wrote:
>>
>>> My favourite FD for this type of scenario is the Dura-Ace 7400 double. 
>>> It works amazing on a compact wide-range crankset. Cheap as chips too.
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Kieran J]

Well, maybe I shouldn't speak in such absolutes :-) I got a nice used one 
on eBay many years ago for $15. YMMV!

KJ

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:18:22 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> +1. My 7400-series FDs shift a 42/28 perfectly despite having to be set 
> rather high above the 42 t ring. In fact, they have to be set high to clear 
> the BBBashguard in the outer position.
>
> Kieran: "Cheap," did you say? I'd like to get a spare; what's your source?
>
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 6:42 PM Kieran J  wrote:
>
>> My favourite FD for this type of scenario is the Dura-Ace 7400 double. It 
>> works amazing on a compact wide-range crankset. Cheap as chips too.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Patrick Moore]

+1. My 7400-series FDs shift a 42/28 perfectly despite having to be set
rather high above the 42 t ring. In fact, they have to be set high to clear
the BBBashguard in the outer position.

Kieran: "Cheap," did you say? I'd like to get a spare; what's your source?

On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 6:42 PM Kieran J  wrote:

> My favourite FD for this type of scenario is the Dura-Ace 7400 double. It
> works amazing on a compact wide-range crankset. Cheap as chips too.
>
> KJ
>


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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Kieran J]

My favourite FD for this type of scenario is the Dura-Ace 7400 double. It 
works amazing on a compact wide-range crankset. Cheap as chips too.

KJ

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 4:27:43 AM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> On my Rambouillet, I use the 9 speed Ultegra FD which the FD in the photo 
> is a copy of. The smallest large chainring I can use is 48 teeth. The 
> reason that's the smallest is the tail end of the derailleur will hit the 
> chainstay if I position it lower. And if I used smaller rings the gap 
> between the bottom edge of the outer plate would be too large and the 
> derailleur then couldn't control movement of the chain between the 
> chainrings. 
>
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 6:50 PM Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> Crankset and chainrings:
>>
>> SIlver 173
>> 44 x 34 x 24
>>
>>
>> [image: 665_1857.JPG]
>>
>> Crank - Silver - Triple 44x34x24 
>> 
>> rivbike.com 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2023, at 3:05 PM, Peter White  wrote:
>>
>> Modern triple FDs are designed for a specific combination of chainrings. 
>> For example, the IRD FD in the photo is an exact copy of the Shimano 9 
>> speed Ultegra Triple and 105 Triple FDs. Probably made by the same company 
>> that made it for Shimano. The bottom edges of the derailleur plates are 
>> properly spaced for the 10 tooth difference between the outer and middle 
>> chainrings of the Ultegra and 105 9 speed triple cranksets; 52 and 42 teeth 
>> respectively. When properly installed, the bottom edges of the derailleur 
>> will be about 1mm to 2mm above the tips of the chainring teeth when 
>> shifting between the outer and middle rings. So this FD only shifts well if 
>> the middle and outer rings have a 10 tooth difference. If, for example, 
>> they have a 12 tooth difference, and you have the FD high enough for the 
>> outer plate to clear the outer chainring, the inner plate will have a 
>> larger gap to the middle ring and the shift from the inner ring will not be 
>> good. With a 14 tooth difference, it's hopeless. You'll have to over-shift 
>> to get the chain cleanly onto the middle chainring.
>>
>> So, to answer the original question, we need to know what chainring sizes 
>> are on the crankset in question.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 1:04 PM Matthew Williams  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I need to replace my stock Rivendell front derailleur. Can someone 
>>> please recommend a good front derailleur?
>>>
>>> Here’s my existing setup:
>>>
>>> Appaloosa
>>> Rivendell Silver crankset and 3 rings
>>> Rear cassette: Shimano XTR 11-34T 
>>> Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore long cage
>>>
>>> With the exception of the rear cassette, all of the components came 
>>> stock with the bike.
>>>
>>> I picked up a Shimano Altus FD-M311 at the swap meet. Will this work for 
>>> my setup? Does a better option exist? Please let me know your 
>>> recommendations, advice, opinions, and experience!
>>>
>>> Thanks, everyone.
>>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:45:08 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've been having a heckuva time getting my front derailleur to go from 
 little to big without hopping over. Eventually, if I talked sweetly to it 
 and said Hail Mary three times, it would usually settle. Even took it to 
 an 
 experience mechanic. He also lowered it, then slowly kept raising it up, 
 and also kept working the limit screw. A fraction of a turn was difference 
 between not reaching the big ring, or going over!

 It's a White Industries VBC with 46-28. FD is IRD compact triple 
 Aplina. Friction Microshift thumbie. I think it's bottom pull. 

 [image: IMG_2391 Medium.jpeg]

 Any suggestions for different FD? May need different chain rings 
 because of that big jump, but if I do that, I may be best off buying 
 something else and selling these.

 Thanks,
 Matt

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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Joe Bernard]

It's a reasonable question and I think (if the clamp fits with the shim you 
have) that it'll shift those rings just dandy. In friction. If you're 
indexing then Bob's your uncle. 

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 6:04:24 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi Peter, to answer your queries:
>
> 1:  Is there a reason not to contact Rivendell directly, and just ask 
> them? […]
>
> I asked at the swap meet if the Altus MD311 would work with my setup. The 
> package is stamped “ 3x7/8 Speed/34.9mm, but the fellow with whom I spoke 
> didn’t know if the Altus would work with my setup, and I’m respecting 
> RBW’s Garage Sale Guideline #1. (See above for the photo of their sign.)
>
>
> 2:  I bet they'll want to hear what your beef is with the front 
> derailleur they supplied you in the first place
>
> My jeans cuff got caught in the chainring and badly bent the original 
> RBW-supplied derailleur cage, so I need a new front derailleur.
>
>
> 3:  you're manufacturing a lot of extra effort for yourself without clear 
> benefit.
>
> I don’t know whether the Altus MD311 will work with my setup, which is 
> why I asked if it will work or if a better option exists.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 26, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Peter Adler  wrote:
>
> Let me see if I have the details straight:
>
> 1) Rivendell frameset
> 2) Rivendell-specific crankset
> 3) Fairly typical Rivendellish cassette
> 4) Rivendell-supplied rear derailleur
> 5) Front derailleur taken from a bucketful of identical front derailleurs 
> at Rivendell's parking lot sale
>
> Is there a reason not to contact Rivendell directly, and just ask them? I 
> suspect that the reason they had a bunch of those Altus FDs is because they 
> tried them out with various builds. If I recall correctly, they were 
> offered for a while as a build component/retail item;  they've just been 
> replaced with something newer. In any case, they're likely to know whether 
> or not they work well with frames/parts they also supply. If nothing else, 
> I bet they'll want to hear what your beef is with the front derailleur they 
> supplied you in the first place; they may not already know.
>
> I mean, I'm not trying to be judge-y; it just seems to me that you're 
> manufacturing a lot of extra effort for yourself without clear benefit.
>
> Peter Adler
> a habitual manufacturer of his own wasted efforts in
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:04:43 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I need to replace my stock Rivendell front derailleur. Can someone please 
> recommend a good front derailleur?
>
> Here’s my existing setup:
>
> Appaloosa
> Rivendell Silver crankset and 3 rings
> Rear cassette: Shimano XTR 11-34T 
> Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore long cage
>
> With the exception of the rear cassette, all of the components came stock 
> with the bike.
>
> I picked up a Shimano Altus FD-M311 at the swap meet. Will this work for 
> my setup? Does a better option exist? Please let me know your 
> recommendations, advice, opinions, and experience!
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Matthew Williams]

Hi Peter, to answer your queries:

1:  Is there a reason not to contact Rivendell directly, and just ask them? […]

I asked at the swap meet if the Altus MD311 would work with my setup. The 
package is stamped “ 3x7/8 Speed/34.9mm, but the fellow with whom I spoke 
didn’t know if the Altus would work with my setup, and I’m respecting RBW’s 
Garage Sale Guideline #1. (See above for the photo of their sign.)


2:  I bet they'll want to hear what your beef is with the front derailleur they 
supplied you in the first place

My jeans cuff got caught in the chainring and badly bent the original 
RBW-supplied derailleur cage, so I need a new front derailleur.


3:  you're manufacturing a lot of extra effort for yourself without clear 
benefit.

I don’t know whether the Altus MD311 will work with my setup, which is why I 
asked if it will work or if a better option exists.





> On Mar 26, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Peter Adler  wrote:
> 
> Let me see if I have the details straight:
> 
> 1) Rivendell frameset
> 2) Rivendell-specific crankset
> 3) Fairly typical Rivendellish cassette
> 4) Rivendell-supplied rear derailleur
> 5) Front derailleur taken from a bucketful of identical front derailleurs at 
> Rivendell's parking lot sale
> 
> Is there a reason not to contact Rivendell directly, and just ask them? I 
> suspect that the reason they had a bunch of those Altus FDs is because they 
> tried them out with various builds. If I recall correctly, they were offered 
> for a while as a build component/retail item;  they've just been replaced 
> with something newer. In any case, they're likely to know whether or not they 
> work well with frames/parts they also supply. If nothing else, I bet they'll 
> want to hear what your beef is with the front derailleur they supplied you in 
> the first place; they may not already know.
> 
> I mean, I'm not trying to be judge-y; it just seems to me that you're 
> manufacturing a lot of extra effort for yourself without clear benefit.
> 
> Peter Adler
> a habitual manufacturer of his own wasted efforts in
> Berkeley, CA/USA
> 
> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:04:43 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I need to replace my stock Rivendell front derailleur. Can someone please 
> recommend a good front derailleur?
> 
> Here’s my existing setup:
> 
> Appaloosa
> Rivendell Silver crankset and 3 rings
> Rear cassette: Shimano XTR 11-34T 
> Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore long cage
> 
> With the exception of the rear cassette, all of the components came stock 
> with the bike.
> 
> I picked up a Shimano Altus FD-M311 at the swap meet. Will this work for my 
> setup? Does a better option exist? Please let me know your recommendations, 
> advice, opinions, and experience!
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Garth]

Well that sucks  I can relate to wacky things happening !  Seriously 
though, the Altus should work just fine. 

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 2:34:00 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> > But first . you say you need to replace your FD, why ? Be specific. 
>
> Well, instead of shifting the chain, my front derailleur shifted the cuff 
> of my jeans. 
>
> I got the grease out of my Levis, but I couldn’t get the Levis out of my 
> front derailleur.

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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Matthew Williams]

> But first . you say you need to replace your FD, why ? Be specific. 

Well, instead of shifting the chain, my front derailleur shifted the cuff of my 
jeans. 

I got the grease out of my Levis, but I couldn’t get the Levis out of my front 
derailleur.

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[RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[matt miller]

I've been having a heckuva time getting my front derailleur to go from 
little to big without hopping over. Eventually, if I talked sweetly to it 
and said Hail Mary three times, it would usually settle. Even took it to an 
experience mechanic. He also lowered it, then slowly kept raising it up, 
and also kept working the limit screw. A fraction of a turn was difference 
between not reaching the big ring, or going over!

It's a White Industries VBC with 46-28. FD is IRD compact triple Aplina. 
Friction Microshift thumbie. I think it's bottom pull. 

[image: IMG_2391 Medium.jpeg]

Any suggestions for different FD? May need different chain rings because of 
that big jump, but if I do that, I may be best off buying something else 
and selling these.

Thanks,
Matt

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