Re: [RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[Patrick Moore]

Lum and Tim: thanks; Jim's photo pinpointed my memory cells. Lon's bike, at
least as written up in an old RR, was a custom built with 3 cogs on a hub
with some sort of freewheel -- don't know if was a cassette hub or if the
wheel had a 3 speed fw.

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 12:07 PM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Jay, perhaps I should clarify: I don’t think you’ll need the rear rack, I
> just Think that it’s presence is neutral. Personally, even on a 1200k, I
> prefer my stuff in the handlebar bag, and it holds everything I need.
>
> Patrick Moore: I read exhaustively about randonneuring shen I took it up.
> I remember seeing one photo of Lon’s bike in a riders report. Lam posted
> perhaps the same link in a previous thread here. It is in Chip Caldwell’s
> ride report of the 2003 PBP, which is on the RUSA site. I can’t get either
> link to work today but here they are.
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/i4HhXPL7p5g
>
> https://rusa.org/pages/rider-stories
>
> I remember the bike as having been a custom. I don’t remember it having a
> rack but I don’t claim to have anything near total recall. I believe it was
> a fixed gear, though.
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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[Lynne Fitz]

My Bleriot was my rando bike for the first 3 years of randonneuring.  It was 
ALSO my commute bike, and had a rear rack.  I'd attach the Barley for brevets; 
it would rest on the rear rack.  Rode up to 300ks with it - that was as far as 
I went back then.

https://flic.kr/p/62eNHc

As for an Atlantis as a brevet bike - I know of at least two.  One has a rear 
rack; the rider likes the Banjo bag with the fold down mini-panniers.

The rear rack gives you flexibility, especially on point to point rides where 
there isn't someone ferrying a bag for you.  On my recent dart populaire we 
drove to the closest train station, rode 7 miles to the start (did I mention it 
was freezing :-) ), and did the ride.  As we were staying over and taking the 
train back to our cars the next day, a change of clothes and necessities was a 
good idea.  My current brevet bike (custom Sweetpea) normally has the Carradice 
Bagman for the Barley, but I do have a Racktime Fold-it rear rack, and the 
aforementioned Banjo Brothers bag for events such as this.

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[Preston Smith]

Hey Ian,

Bike is 63cm frame with 700c x 38mm tires. I think the deep-ish velocity quill 
rims with flatt-ish compass tires give the illusion of a 650b wheel. I get that 
all the time.

-Preston 

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jay, perhaps I should clarify: I don’t think you’ll need the rear rack, I just 
Think that it’s presence is neutral. Personally, even on a 1200k, I prefer my 
stuff in the handlebar bag, and it holds everything I need. 

Patrick Moore: I read exhaustively about randonneuring shen I took it up. I 
remember seeing one photo of Lon’s bike in a riders report. Lam posted perhaps 
the same link in a previous thread here. It is in Chip Caldwell’s ride report 
of the 2003 PBP, which is on the RUSA site. I can’t get either link to work 
today but here they are. 

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/i4HhXPL7p5g

https://rusa.org/pages/rider-stories

I remember the bike as having been a custom. I don’t remember it having a rack 
but I don’t claim to have anything near total recall. I believe it was a fixed 
gear, though. 

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[Ian A]

Preston:

Out of curiosity, what size wheels and tires are on your bike. It looks to be a 
large frame with 650b?

IanA in Edmonton AB Canada where it's currently -30 degrees Celsius. Days like 
this I miss my time living in the PNW far too much.

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[Preston Smith]

Hey Jay,

I think the Homer makes a great rando bike. That's what I'm using mine for 
anyway (as well as general road riding, commuting, and riding gravel and forest 
roads.) 

Personally id say a rear rack would be over kill for most brevets under 300k. 
I've found on a 200k with nice weather you don't really need much. I use a 
small style berthoud h bar bag for rides like that.

On longer rides or when the weather is crumby I use a larger rando bag or even 
a wald basket. Ive also added a third bottle cage for mixed terrain rides when 
water sources are far and few between.

But yea, like others said lots of different ways to set up your bike. Have fun! 
I'll attach a photo of my bike set up for most rides under 300k.

Preston Smith 
Olympia WA

https://flic.kr/p/S6FDhP

ps
What rando club are you riding with?

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

I’ve used my Atlantis for a 200km brevet once. For the locals, it was the 
now-discontinued SFR Pt. Reyes Lighthouse season opener, typically done in Jan 
with cold (for CA), rains, winds, and flabby legs. The Atlantis was outfitted 
as my commuter, with drop bars, front and rear racks, fenders, and dynamo front 
lights. I ran Compass McClure Pass tires then, simply because the Naches Pass 
tires weren’t out yet. It wasn’t the “ideal” brevet bike, and one SFR volunteer 
even jokingly asked if the course wasn’t challenging enough; but all 
randonneurs know that past a certain point, finishing brevets is all about 
steadfast foolhardiness, obstinance, and masochism. :)

On a more serious note, while I do feel my Atlantis is slower than some of my 
other bikes, it is fast enough that it didn’t impede my completion of said 
brevet. Some had written that the Atlantis is the Jack of All Trades, and I 
believe that’s an apt description.

To the OP: keep the rack; don’t keep the rack; it won’t matter.

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Re: [RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[David Hays]

Never ridden a brevet with it, but I run Hetres EL(42s) on my 56 650B Homer.

> On Dec 28, 2017, at 5:54 PM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jay asked: Lightweight or standard Compass? 
> The extra light are the best tire I’ve ever ridden. Homer fits 38s with 
> fenders.
> 
> John asked about the Atlantis. I’ve ridden with an Atlantis rider in brevets. 
> He rode it on PBP. I’ve heard of others and may well have seen one or two 
> more. I’ve seen a Riv on nearly every brevet ridden. 
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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jay asked: Lightweight or standard Compass? 
The extra light are the best tire I’ve ever ridden. Homer fits 38s with fenders.

John asked about the Atlantis. I’ve ridden with an Atlantis rider in brevets. 
He rode it on PBP. I’ve heard of others and may well have seen one or two more. 
I’ve seen a Riv on nearly every brevet ridden. 

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[John G.]

Not to hijack the thread, but have people used an Atlantis as a brevet bike? I 
have lights, racks (front and rear), and fenders on mine, and Compass 44mm 
tires. 

And yeah, I get that any bike can be a brevet bike. Just curious if folks have 
ridden brevets on their Atlantis.

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[Call Me Jay]

Lightweight or standard Compass?

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’ve ridden 2 full brevet series on my Homer. Fenders, Nitto front rack, 
Berthoud handlebar bag, no rear rack. I put the rear rack on for a tour this 
summer. I can’t imagine that you would see much improvement by removing it. I 
have a different rando bike now (although here yet to ride one on it) but if I 
had to use the Homer on a brevet, I’d leave the rack on. BUT...you would not 
regret switching to Compass tires if you haven’t yet done so. That will make a 
huge difference...

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[Call Me Jay]

With or without a rear rack?

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[lum gim fong]

I've seen brevetteers with Sam,  San Marco's Blariant Rambo Quickbeam your name 
it.

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[lum gim fong]

 I saw seasoned randonneurs with front rack's dino lights and front bags 
fenders full dresser steel bikes  with wide tires who have done 1000 K rides 
with those set ups so I think you'll be fine. 

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[RBW] Homer as a brevet bike: Keep on the rear rack?

[Call Me Jay]

After three years of ownership, I’m going to tackle a few “shorter” brevets on 
my Homer this Spring.  I typically a have the Nitto/Rivendell rack on the back 
for commuting with panniers.  I also have a Nitto front rack and a rando bag.  
Should I ditch the rack for 100k, 200k and (maybe) 300k events?  

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