Re: [RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

2022-03-06 Thread Drw 
Just to close this loop, I bought an Acera derailler (surprisingly nice), 
popped it on and it works perfectly. Didn't even really need to adjust 
anything other than the limit screws. If anyone wants an LX rapid rise in 
good shape, let me know. 

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 7:09:19 AM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Just don't index.  I'm using the RR and the bar end shifters - both on 
> friction.  Never needs adjusting.  You adjust it each time you shift  - 
> just like an old radio dial.  My RR is one of my only original parts on my 
> bike 63,000 miles in.
>
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:
>
>> Thanks all, 
>> Yes, the shifters do friction and that's how it's being used now. Seems 
>> to hold the gears fine in friction. 
>> Follow up question. Is ALL shimano 9 speed the same? Road/MTN? Thinking I 
>> may just pick up a 9 speed altus if the tinkering doesnt pan out. 
>>
>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 5:37:42 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> As a matter of fact, derailleur cables do not stretch. The forces 
>>> involved in shifting are many orders of magnitude lower than the yield 
>>> stress required to stretch the cable. What actually happens is that inside 
>>> liner of the cable housing wears and causes the cable to become looser. 
>>> Generally, a half turn out of the cable tension adjuster will compensate 
>>> for this.
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> On a new bike yes, the cable has probably stretched. If you're not 
>>> familiar with fiddling with indexing I'll try a short explainer. 
>>>
>>> If you have the older style Deore there will be a cable adjuster on the 
>>> derailer where the housing ends. Put your bike in the middle cog (5th gear 
>>> on a 9-speed). Is the pulley directly under that cog? You can turn the 
>>> adjuster counterclockwise to move it leftward, towards the bigger cogs; 
>>> clockwise to move right, closer to the smaller cogs. Shift up and down the 
>>> cassette, you'll probably need to do this a few times until the indexing is 
>>> correct.
>>>
>>> If it's a newer Deore without the adjuster on the derailer you can use 
>>> the one at the shifter. Which I find super annoying so I don't buy those 
>>> kind so I don't know which way to turn it, but you'll figure it out after a 
>>> few turns this way and that. Good luck! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:59:34 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my 
 Clem with a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw  wrote:

 Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from 
 rivendell got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I 
 can't for the life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the 
 derailler is the problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull 
 deraillers, so im wondering if i'm missing something.


 *Components:*
 Rivendell Platypus 
 Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
 Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)


 *Specific symptoms:*
 -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
 jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 

 Any thoughts would be appreciated,
 Drew. LA

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Re: [RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

2022-03-01 Thread Pam Bikes 
Just don't index.  I'm using the RR and the bar end shifters - both on 
friction.  Never needs adjusting.  You adjust it each time you shift  - 
just like an old radio dial.  My RR is one of my only original parts on my 
bike 63,000 miles in.

On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:

> Thanks all, 
> Yes, the shifters do friction and that's how it's being used now. Seems to 
> hold the gears fine in friction. 
> Follow up question. Is ALL shimano 9 speed the same? Road/MTN? Thinking I 
> may just pick up a 9 speed altus if the tinkering doesnt pan out. 
>
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 5:37:42 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> As a matter of fact, derailleur cables do not stretch. The forces 
>> involved in shifting are many orders of magnitude lower than the yield 
>> stress required to stretch the cable. What actually happens is that inside 
>> liner of the cable housing wears and causes the cable to become looser. 
>> Generally, a half turn out of the cable tension adjuster will compensate 
>> for this.
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> On a new bike yes, the cable has probably stretched. If you're not 
>> familiar with fiddling with indexing I'll try a short explainer. 
>>
>> If you have the older style Deore there will be a cable adjuster on the 
>> derailer where the housing ends. Put your bike in the middle cog (5th gear 
>> on a 9-speed). Is the pulley directly under that cog? You can turn the 
>> adjuster counterclockwise to move it leftward, towards the bigger cogs; 
>> clockwise to move right, closer to the smaller cogs. Shift up and down the 
>> cassette, you'll probably need to do this a few times until the indexing is 
>> correct.
>>
>> If it's a newer Deore without the adjuster on the derailer you can use 
>> the one at the shifter. Which I find super annoying so I don't buy those 
>> kind so I don't know which way to turn it, but you'll figure it out after a 
>> few turns this way and that. Good luck! 
>>
>> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:59:34 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my 
>>> Clem with a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from 
>>> rivendell got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I 
>>> can't for the life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the 
>>> derailler is the problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull 
>>> deraillers, so im wondering if i'm missing something.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Components:*
>>> Rivendell Platypus 
>>> Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
>>> 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
>>> Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)
>>>
>>>
>>> *Specific symptoms:*
>>> -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
>>> jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 
>>>
>>> Any thoughts would be appreciated,
>>> Drew. LA
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Re: [RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

2022-02-28 Thread Joe Bernard 
Moving the shifter shouldn't be a problem, I suspect you simply don't have 
quite what you need to index-shift that low-normal mech. 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 1:56:33 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting. Will moving the shifter location on the handlebar generally 
> require a cable adjustment? I’ve been playing quite a bit with where I want 
> those shifters.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 28, 2022, at 8:37 AM, James Valiensi  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As a matter of fact, derailleur cables do not stretch. The forces involved 
> in shifting are many orders of magnitude lower than the yield stress 
> required to stretch the cable. What actually happens is that inside liner 
> of the cable housing wears and causes the cable to become looser. 
> Generally, a half turn out of the cable tension adjuster will compensate 
> for this.
>
> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> On a new bike yes, the cable has probably stretched. If you're not 
> familiar with fiddling with indexing I'll try a short explainer. 
>
> If you have the older style Deore there will be a cable adjuster on the 
> derailer where the housing ends. Put your bike in the middle cog (5th gear 
> on a 9-speed). Is the pulley directly under that cog? You can turn the 
> adjuster counterclockwise to move it leftward, towards the bigger cogs; 
> clockwise to move right, closer to the smaller cogs. Shift up and down the 
> cassette, you'll probably need to do this a few times until the indexing is 
> correct.
>
> If it's a newer Deore without the adjuster on the derailer you can use the 
> one at the shifter. Which I find super annoying so I don't buy those kind 
> so I don't know which way to turn it, but you'll figure it out after a few 
> turns this way and that. Good luck! 
>
> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:59:34 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my 
>> Clem with a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw  wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from 
>> rivendell got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I 
>> can't for the life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the 
>> derailler is the problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull 
>> deraillers, so im wondering if i'm missing something.
>>
>>
>> *Components:*
>> Rivendell Platypus 
>> Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
>> 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
>> Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)
>>
>>
>> *Specific symptoms:*
>> -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
>> jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 
>>
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated,
>> Drew. LA
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Re: [RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

2022-02-28 Thread Richard Rose 
Interesting. Will moving the shifter location on the handlebar generally 
require a cable adjustment? I’ve been playing quite a bit with where I want 
those shifters.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 28, 2022, at 8:37 AM, James Valiensi  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> As a matter of fact, derailleur cables do not stretch. The forces involved in 
> shifting are many orders of magnitude lower than the yield stress required to 
> stretch the cable. What actually happens is that inside liner of the cable 
> housing wears and causes the cable to become looser. Generally, a half turn 
> out of the cable tension adjuster will compensate for this.
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> 
>> On a new bike yes, the cable has probably stretched. If you're not familiar 
>> with fiddling with indexing I'll try a short explainer. 
>> 
>> If you have the older style Deore there will be a cable adjuster on the 
>> derailer where the housing ends. Put your bike in the middle cog (5th gear 
>> on a 9-speed). Is the pulley directly under that cog? You can turn the 
>> adjuster counterclockwise to move it leftward, towards the bigger cogs; 
>> clockwise to move right, closer to the smaller cogs. Shift up and down the 
>> cassette, you'll probably need to do this a few times until the indexing is 
>> correct.
>> 
>> If it's a newer Deore without the adjuster on the derailer you can use the 
>> one at the shifter. Which I find super annoying so I don't buy those kind so 
>> I don't know which way to turn it, but you'll figure it out after a few 
>> turns this way and that. Good luck! 
>> 
>>> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:59:34 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my Clem 
>>> with a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw  wrote:
> 
 Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from 
 rivendell got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I 
 can't for the life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the 
 derailler is the problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull 
 deraillers, so im wondering if i'm missing something.
>>> 
 
 Components:
 Rivendell Platypus 
 Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
 Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)
 
 
 Specific symptoms:
 -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
 jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 
 
 Any thoughts would be appreciated,
 Drew. LA
 
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Re: [RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

2022-02-28 Thread Garth 


Yes, all 6--9 speed road and mtn stuff adheres to the same cable pull 
ratio. 
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:

> Thanks all, 
> Yes, the shifters do friction and that's how it's being used now. Seems to 
> hold the gears fine in friction. 
> Follow up question. Is ALL shimano 9 speed the same? Road/MTN? Thinking I 
> may just pick up a 9 speed altus if the tinkering doesnt pan out. 
>
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 5:37:42 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> As a matter of fact, derailleur cables do not stretch. The forces 
>> involved in shifting are many orders of magnitude lower than the yield 
>> stress required to stretch the cable. What actually happens is that inside 
>> liner of the cable housing wears and causes the cable to become looser. 
>> Generally, a half turn out of the cable tension adjuster will compensate 
>> for this.
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> On a new bike yes, the cable has probably stretched. If you're not 
>> familiar with fiddling with indexing I'll try a short explainer. 
>>
>> If you have the older style Deore there will be a cable adjuster on the 
>> derailer where the housing ends. Put your bike in the middle cog (5th gear 
>> on a 9-speed). Is the pulley directly under that cog? You can turn the 
>> adjuster counterclockwise to move it leftward, towards the bigger cogs; 
>> clockwise to move right, closer to the smaller cogs. Shift up and down the 
>> cassette, you'll probably need to do this a few times until the indexing is 
>> correct.
>>
>> If it's a newer Deore without the adjuster on the derailer you can use 
>> the one at the shifter. Which I find super annoying so I don't buy those 
>> kind so I don't know which way to turn it, but you'll figure it out after a 
>> few turns this way and that. Good luck! 
>>
>> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:59:34 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my 
>>> Clem with a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from 
>>> rivendell got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I 
>>> can't for the life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the 
>>> derailler is the problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull 
>>> deraillers, so im wondering if i'm missing something.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Components:*
>>> Rivendell Platypus 
>>> Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
>>> 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
>>> Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)
>>>
>>>
>>> *Specific symptoms:*
>>> -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
>>> jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 
>>>
>>> Any thoughts would be appreciated,
>>> Drew. LA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

2022-02-28 Thread Drw 
Thanks all, 
Yes, the shifters do friction and that's how it's being used now. Seems to 
hold the gears fine in friction. 
Follow up question. Is ALL shimano 9 speed the same? Road/MTN? Thinking I 
may just pick up a 9 speed altus if the tinkering doesnt pan out. 

On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 5:37:42 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:

> Hi,
> As a matter of fact, derailleur cables do not stretch. The forces involved 
> in shifting are many orders of magnitude lower than the yield stress 
> required to stretch the cable. What actually happens is that inside liner 
> of the cable housing wears and causes the cable to become looser. 
> Generally, a half turn out of the cable tension adjuster will compensate 
> for this.
>
> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> On a new bike yes, the cable has probably stretched. If you're not 
> familiar with fiddling with indexing I'll try a short explainer. 
>
> If you have the older style Deore there will be a cable adjuster on the 
> derailer where the housing ends. Put your bike in the middle cog (5th gear 
> on a 9-speed). Is the pulley directly under that cog? You can turn the 
> adjuster counterclockwise to move it leftward, towards the bigger cogs; 
> clockwise to move right, closer to the smaller cogs. Shift up and down the 
> cassette, you'll probably need to do this a few times until the indexing is 
> correct.
>
> If it's a newer Deore without the adjuster on the derailer you can use the 
> one at the shifter. Which I find super annoying so I don't buy those kind 
> so I don't know which way to turn it, but you'll figure it out after a few 
> turns this way and that. Good luck! 
>
> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:59:34 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my 
>> Clem with a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw  wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from 
>> rivendell got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I 
>> can't for the life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the 
>> derailler is the problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull 
>> deraillers, so im wondering if i'm missing something.
>>
>>
>> *Components:*
>> Rivendell Platypus 
>> Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
>> 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
>> Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)
>>
>>
>> *Specific symptoms:*
>> -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
>> jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 
>>
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated,
>> Drew. LA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

2022-02-28 Thread James Valiensi 
Hi,
As a matter of fact, derailleur cables do not stretch. The forces involved in 
shifting are many orders of magnitude lower than the yield stress required to 
stretch the cable. What actually happens is that inside liner of the cable 
housing wears and causes the cable to become looser. Generally, a half turn out 
of the cable tension adjuster will compensate for this.

> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> On a new bike yes, the cable has probably stretched. If you're not familiar 
> with fiddling with indexing I'll try a short explainer. 
> 
> If you have the older style Deore there will be a cable adjuster on the 
> derailer where the housing ends. Put your bike in the middle cog (5th gear on 
> a 9-speed). Is the pulley directly under that cog? You can turn the adjuster 
> counterclockwise to move it leftward, towards the bigger cogs; clockwise to 
> move right, closer to the smaller cogs. Shift up and down the cassette, 
> you'll probably need to do this a few times until the indexing is correct.
> 
> If it's a newer Deore without the adjuster on the derailer you can use the 
> one at the shifter. Which I find super annoying so I don't buy those kind so 
> I don't know which way to turn it, but you'll figure it out after a few turns 
> this way and that. Good luck! 
> 
> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:59:34 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
> I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my Clem 
> with a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from rivendell 
>> got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I can't for the 
>> life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the derailler is the 
>> problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull deraillers, so im 
>> wondering if i'm missing something.
> 
>> 
>> Components:
>> Rivendell Platypus 
>> Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
>> 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
>> Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)
>> 
>> 
>> Specific symptoms:
>> -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
>> jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 
>> 
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated,
>> Drew. LA
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

2022-02-28 Thread Garth 
Drew, These shifters have a friction mode, yes ?  If they shift and hold 
all the gears in friction, but not with indexing it would either be wonky 
shifters or they are very sensitive to tension. The LX RR has a cable 
tensioner yes ?  Play around with it slightly as you're shifting and see 
where/when/if it's hold those middle gears. 

The middle cogs on 9-speed cassettes, like the 18-21-24 are most prone to 
wandering, so the derailleur position needs to be "just right" to hold the 
cogs. 
On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 10:59:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> On a new bike yes, the cable has probably stretched. If you're not 
> familiar with fiddling with indexing I'll try a short explainer. 
>
> If you have the older style Deore there will be a cable adjuster on the 
> derailer where the housing ends. Put your bike in the middle cog (5th gear 
> on a 9-speed). Is the pulley directly under that cog? You can turn the 
> adjuster counterclockwise to move it leftward, towards the bigger cogs; 
> clockwise to move right, closer to the smaller cogs. Shift up and down the 
> cassette, you'll probably need to do this a few times until the indexing is 
> correct.
>
> If it's a newer Deore without the adjuster on the derailer you can use the 
> one at the shifter. Which I find super annoying so I don't buy those kind 
> so I don't know which way to turn it, but you'll figure it out after a few 
> turns this way and that. Good luck! 
>
> On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:59:34 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my 
>> Clem with a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw  wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from 
>> rivendell got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I 
>> can't for the life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the 
>> derailler is the problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull 
>> deraillers, so im wondering if i'm missing something.
>>
>>
>> *Components:*
>> Rivendell Platypus 
>> Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
>> 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
>> Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)
>>
>>
>> *Specific symptoms:*
>> -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
>> jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 
>>
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated,
>> Drew. LA
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Re: [RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

2022-02-27 Thread Joe Mullins 
I have a limited knowledge of how all these parts work together but its my 
understanding that Shimano 9 speed MTB rear derailleur is the same cable pull 
as Shimano 10 speed road shifters. I am using a 10 speed Shimano bar end 
shifter with a rapid rise XT rear derailleur and it indexes a 10 speed cassette 
pretty well but it does make some funny noise in the middle. It is super 
sensitive and even the slightest misadjustment of cable tension has thrown it 
off to the point where it skips in the middle. A careful re-adjustment fixes 
it. I’ve only had that problem once in the last year since I built the bike 
that it’s on.

So I wonder if the Microsoft 9 speed is meant to work with a 9 speed road RD… 
Again, I don’t know enough about this stuff to see a glaring problem but I do 
know that my setup works.

Joe

 

> On Feb 27, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> 
> I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my Clem 
> with a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from rivendell 
>> got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I can't for the 
>> life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the derailler is the 
>> problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull deraillers, so im 
>> wondering if i'm missing something.
>> 
>> Components:
>> Rivendell Platypus 
>> Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
>> 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
>> Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)
>> 
>> 
>> Specific symptoms:
>> -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
>> jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 
>> 
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated,
>> Drew. LA
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Re: [RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

2022-02-27 Thread Richard Rose 
I cannot answer your question but I am having a similar problem on my Clem with 
a Deore rear mech. I suspect cable stretch on this new bike?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Drw  wrote:
> 
> Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from rivendell 
> got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I can't for the 
> life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the derailler is the 
> problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull deraillers, so im 
> wondering if i'm missing something.
> 
> Components:
> Rivendell Platypus 
> Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
> 9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
> Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)
> 
> 
> Specific symptoms:
> -Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
> jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 
> 
> Any thoughts would be appreciated,
> Drew. LA
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[RBW] Indexing Rapid Rise Questions

2022-02-27 Thread Drw 
Ok, so I had a rapid rise derailler around and all this talk from rivendell 
got me to put it on my partner's bike that i'm building up. I can't for the 
life of me get it to index correctly. Not saying the derailler is the 
problem, but i've never had this issue with regular pull deraillers, so im 
wondering if i'm missing something.

*Components:*
Rivendell Platypus 
Microshift 9 speed thumb shifter for shimano (new)
9 speed shimano cassette (not new but good shape)
Deore LX rapid rise derailer (not new but good shape)


*Specific symptoms:*
-Can tune it to get the highs and lows, but the middle 2-3 gears get it 
jumping all over and not engaging with the cassette. 

Any thoughts would be appreciated,
Drew. LA

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