Re: [RBW] JP Weigle Raleigh Competition 650B Conversion

[Alberto Robador]

Hey Tom, beautiful machine, I just emailed you!

On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 2:53:26 AM UTC+2 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oops, small correction: I see these are all photos you took, Tom. I am 
> fairly certain Peter posted some of this project which I have saved. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 8:51:20 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Oh, this one hurts. A JPW Competition in my size. I have such a soft spot 
>> for these and love each and every old Raleigh that Peter has rat-rodded 
>> out. I can't swing it at the moment but dear lord oh me oh my it's 
>> beautiful and has all the modifications one could dream of! 
>>
>> You better believe I already had the photos you shared from Peter's 
>> flickr account already saved to my reference folder.
>>
>> Best of luck with the sale! Someone needs to get this built up and out on 
>> the road
>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4 thomas.all...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill Lindsay helpfully points out that I buried the size information on 
>>> this bike.  It’s either a 58cm or a 59cm, and when I get back to my shop I 
>>> can provide precise measurements for anyone who’s interested.  Sorry for 
>>> the unhelpful omission.
>>>
>>> On Jun 30, 2024, at 10:00 AM, Tom Allingham  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Never mind -- they seem to be working now.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 9:43:38 AM UTC-4 Tom Allingham wrote:
>>>
 All:

 Not much in the way of direct Rivendell content (the seatpost came from 
 Riv), but I hope Jim will indulge me, because this is an unusual 
 opportunity that the list may be very interested in.  And apologies for 
 the 
 long post, but for those who are interested, it’ll be worth it.

 Almost 12 years ago, when I was very interested (at least in the 
 abstract) in randonneuring, I travelled to Peter Weigle’s lovely shop in 
 Connecticut and purchased a JPW-reimagined 650B conversion of a Raleigh 
 Competition.  Peter has done a few of these extensive conversions over the 
 years, and the reviews on Flickr by their owners are incredibly 
 enthusiastic.  My example is gorgeous — a deep maroon with gold pin 
 striping by Peter, and contrasting blue paint on the lugs.  The details 
 are 
 stunning.  Here are a few pics of the bike in Peter’s shop and mocked up 
 after the conversion:

 [image: 8432741668_2029bea99a_b.jpg]

 Raleigh, modified by JPW as 650B randonneur 
 flic.kr 
 
 [image: 27169754834_fd53471644_b.jpg]

 JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
 flic.kr 
 
 [image: 27681087122_f24371ae1c_b.jpg]

 JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
 flic.kr 
 

 The frameset came with installed headset, perfectly fitted fluted 
 fenders, Mafac brakes, JPW custom front rack and taillight, and pump.  On 
 Flickr, Peter described the many steps in the conversion process for this 
 bike this way:

















 *“I want these conversions to be special, and there are many things 
 that happen in the process. Here's a short list.First of all each frame is 
 inspected to make sure everything seems ok.Frame geometry is measured, 
 forks are re-raked to obtain the desired trail.The frame is milled and 
 faced, the crown race is turned down to fit standard headsets.Frame is 
 checked for alignment, this will be repeated as the bridges are installed, 
 and one more time as a final check.Bridges are cut out and new ones placed 
 in the proper location for 650b fender lines.Chainstays are manipulated to 
 increase clearance for 42 mm tires.Cantilever bosses are added and cable 
 hangers modified as needed.Brake cable guides are removed and are replaced 
 on the other side of the tube from their stock location to "sweeten" up 
 the 
 brake cable routing. Water bottle, shift lever, pump mounts and tail light 
 mounts are brazed on.On this frame the forks were modified to accept a 
 dyno 
 wire inside.A custom front rack is made, fenders are reshaped and 
 installed.A custom tail light needs to be fashioned, and a pump modified 
 to 
 fit.Mafac cantilevers are cleaned up, polished and a set of Kool Stop pads 
 are installed.The frame is bead blasted, primed, painted, lug lined, box 
 striped, decals are applied, clear coats applied, baked, and then hand 
 rubbed.Frame Saver is applied and a headset is installed, then I have to 
 take the photos for all to see.**”*

 On Flickr, our group member Bill Lindsay commented on this bike: 

 *“JPW in one word, Varsity — almost everybody els

Re: [RBW] JP Weigle Raleigh Competition 650B Conversion

[Eric Marth]

Oops, small correction: I see these are all photos you took, Tom. I am 
fairly certain Peter posted some of this project which I have saved. 

On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 8:51:20 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Oh, this one hurts. A JPW Competition in my size. I have such a soft spot 
> for these and love each and every old Raleigh that Peter has rat-rodded 
> out. I can't swing it at the moment but dear lord oh me oh my it's 
> beautiful and has all the modifications one could dream of! 
>
> You better believe I already had the photos you shared from Peter's flickr 
> account already saved to my reference folder.
>
> Best of luck with the sale! Someone needs to get this built up and out on 
> the road
> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4 thomas.all...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Bill Lindsay helpfully points out that I buried the size information on 
>> this bike.  It’s either a 58cm or a 59cm, and when I get back to my shop I 
>> can provide precise measurements for anyone who’s interested.  Sorry for 
>> the unhelpful omission.
>>
>> On Jun 30, 2024, at 10:00 AM, Tom Allingham  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Never mind -- they seem to be working now.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 9:43:38 AM UTC-4 Tom Allingham wrote:
>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not much in the way of direct Rivendell content (the seatpost came from 
>>> Riv), but I hope Jim will indulge me, because this is an unusual 
>>> opportunity that the list may be very interested in.  And apologies for the 
>>> long post, but for those who are interested, it’ll be worth it.
>>>
>>> Almost 12 years ago, when I was very interested (at least in the 
>>> abstract) in randonneuring, I travelled to Peter Weigle’s lovely shop in 
>>> Connecticut and purchased a JPW-reimagined 650B conversion of a Raleigh 
>>> Competition.  Peter has done a few of these extensive conversions over the 
>>> years, and the reviews on Flickr by their owners are incredibly 
>>> enthusiastic.  My example is gorgeous — a deep maroon with gold pin 
>>> striping by Peter, and contrasting blue paint on the lugs.  The details are 
>>> stunning.  Here are a few pics of the bike in Peter’s shop and mocked up 
>>> after the conversion:
>>>
>>> [image: 8432741668_2029bea99a_b.jpg]
>>>
>>> Raleigh, modified by JPW as 650B randonneur 
>>> flic.kr 
>>> 
>>> [image: 27169754834_fd53471644_b.jpg]
>>>
>>> JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
>>> flic.kr 
>>> 
>>> [image: 27681087122_f24371ae1c_b.jpg]
>>>
>>> JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
>>> flic.kr 
>>> 
>>>
>>> The frameset came with installed headset, perfectly fitted fluted 
>>> fenders, Mafac brakes, JPW custom front rack and taillight, and pump.  On 
>>> Flickr, Peter described the many steps in the conversion process for this 
>>> bike this way:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *“I want these conversions to be special, and there are many things that 
>>> happen in the process. Here's a short list.First of all each frame is 
>>> inspected to make sure everything seems ok.Frame geometry is measured, 
>>> forks are re-raked to obtain the desired trail.The frame is milled and 
>>> faced, the crown race is turned down to fit standard headsets.Frame is 
>>> checked for alignment, this will be repeated as the bridges are installed, 
>>> and one more time as a final check.Bridges are cut out and new ones placed 
>>> in the proper location for 650b fender lines.Chainstays are manipulated to 
>>> increase clearance for 42 mm tires.Cantilever bosses are added and cable 
>>> hangers modified as needed.Brake cable guides are removed and are replaced 
>>> on the other side of the tube from their stock location to "sweeten" up the 
>>> brake cable routing. Water bottle, shift lever, pump mounts and tail light 
>>> mounts are brazed on.On this frame the forks were modified to accept a dyno 
>>> wire inside.A custom front rack is made, fenders are reshaped and 
>>> installed.A custom tail light needs to be fashioned, and a pump modified to 
>>> fit.Mafac cantilevers are cleaned up, polished and a set of Kool Stop pads 
>>> are installed.The frame is bead blasted, primed, painted, lug lined, box 
>>> striped, decals are applied, clear coats applied, baked, and then hand 
>>> rubbed.Frame Saver is applied and a headset is installed, then I have to 
>>> take the photos for all to see.**”*
>>>
>>> On Flickr, our group member Bill Lindsay commented on this bike: 
>>>
>>> *“JPW in one word, Varsity — almost everybody else, in two words, Junior 
>>> Varsity.”*
>>>
>>> I immediately began planning to finish the build.  I built a dyno wheel 
>>> set (SON front hub, Compass Cycles rear, with VO rims) with 42mm Grand Bois 
>>> Hetres, installed a BB (I think it’s a Phil Wood), Rene H

Re: [RBW] JP Weigle Raleigh Competition 650B Conversion

[Eric Marth]

Oh, this one hurts. A JPW Competition in my size. I have such a soft spot 
for these and love each and every old Raleigh that Peter has rat-rodded 
out. I can't swing it at the moment but dear lord oh me oh my it's 
beautiful and has all the modifications one could dream of! 

You better believe I already had the photos you shared from Peter's flickr 
account already saved to my reference folder.

Best of luck with the sale! Someone needs to get this built up and out on 
the road
On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 10:57:40 AM UTC-4 thomas.all...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bill Lindsay helpfully points out that I buried the size information on 
> this bike.  It’s either a 58cm or a 59cm, and when I get back to my shop I 
> can provide precise measurements for anyone who’s interested.  Sorry for 
> the unhelpful omission.
>
> On Jun 30, 2024, at 10:00 AM, Tom Allingham  
> wrote:
>
> Never mind -- they seem to be working now.
>
> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 9:43:38 AM UTC-4 Tom Allingham wrote:
>
>> All:
>>
>> Not much in the way of direct Rivendell content (the seatpost came from 
>> Riv), but I hope Jim will indulge me, because this is an unusual 
>> opportunity that the list may be very interested in.  And apologies for the 
>> long post, but for those who are interested, it’ll be worth it.
>>
>> Almost 12 years ago, when I was very interested (at least in the 
>> abstract) in randonneuring, I travelled to Peter Weigle’s lovely shop in 
>> Connecticut and purchased a JPW-reimagined 650B conversion of a Raleigh 
>> Competition.  Peter has done a few of these extensive conversions over the 
>> years, and the reviews on Flickr by their owners are incredibly 
>> enthusiastic.  My example is gorgeous — a deep maroon with gold pin 
>> striping by Peter, and contrasting blue paint on the lugs.  The details are 
>> stunning.  Here are a few pics of the bike in Peter’s shop and mocked up 
>> after the conversion:
>>
>> [image: 8432741668_2029bea99a_b.jpg]
>>
>> Raleigh, modified by JPW as 650B randonneur 
>> flic.kr 
>> 
>> [image: 27169754834_fd53471644_b.jpg]
>>
>> JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
>> flic.kr 
>> 
>> [image: 27681087122_f24371ae1c_b.jpg]
>>
>> JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
>> flic.kr 
>> 
>>
>> The frameset came with installed headset, perfectly fitted fluted 
>> fenders, Mafac brakes, JPW custom front rack and taillight, and pump.  On 
>> Flickr, Peter described the many steps in the conversion process for this 
>> bike this way:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *“I want these conversions to be special, and there are many things that 
>> happen in the process. Here's a short list.First of all each frame is 
>> inspected to make sure everything seems ok.Frame geometry is measured, 
>> forks are re-raked to obtain the desired trail.The frame is milled and 
>> faced, the crown race is turned down to fit standard headsets.Frame is 
>> checked for alignment, this will be repeated as the bridges are installed, 
>> and one more time as a final check.Bridges are cut out and new ones placed 
>> in the proper location for 650b fender lines.Chainstays are manipulated to 
>> increase clearance for 42 mm tires.Cantilever bosses are added and cable 
>> hangers modified as needed.Brake cable guides are removed and are replaced 
>> on the other side of the tube from their stock location to "sweeten" up the 
>> brake cable routing. Water bottle, shift lever, pump mounts and tail light 
>> mounts are brazed on.On this frame the forks were modified to accept a dyno 
>> wire inside.A custom front rack is made, fenders are reshaped and 
>> installed.A custom tail light needs to be fashioned, and a pump modified to 
>> fit.Mafac cantilevers are cleaned up, polished and a set of Kool Stop pads 
>> are installed.The frame is bead blasted, primed, painted, lug lined, box 
>> striped, decals are applied, clear coats applied, baked, and then hand 
>> rubbed.Frame Saver is applied and a headset is installed, then I have to 
>> take the photos for all to see.**”*
>>
>> On Flickr, our group member Bill Lindsay commented on this bike: 
>>
>> *“JPW in one word, Varsity — almost everybody else, in two words, Junior 
>> Varsity.”*
>>
>> I immediately began planning to finish the build.  I built a dyno wheel 
>> set (SON front hub, Compass Cycles rear, with VO rims) with 42mm Grand Bois 
>> Hetres, installed a BB (I think it’s a Phil Wood), Rene Herse crankset, 
>> Nitto stem with Rene Herse decaleur, Nitto lugged seatpost, and beautiful 
>> NOS Ideale saddle.  I set aside a tall Berthoud Handlebar Bag, and 
>> collected a Campy groupset and (at Peter’s recommendation) a set of Huret 
>> Jubilee derailleurs and shifters.  And then life intervened, and now (more 
>> t

Re: [RBW] JP Weigle Raleigh Competition 650B Conversion

[Tom Allingham]

Bill Lindsay helpfully points out that I buried the size information on this 
bike.  It’s either a 58cm or a 59cm, and when I get back to my shop I can 
provide precise measurements for anyone who’s interested.  Sorry for the 
unhelpful omission.

> On Jun 30, 2024, at 10:00 AM, Tom Allingham  
> wrote:
> 
> Never mind -- they seem to be working now.
> 
> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 9:43:38 AM UTC-4 Tom Allingham wrote:
>> All:
>> 
>> Not much in the way of direct Rivendell content (the seatpost came from 
>> Riv), but I hope Jim will indulge me, because this is an unusual opportunity 
>> that the list may be very interested in.  And apologies for the long post, 
>> but for those who are interested, it’ll be worth it.
>> 
>> Almost 12 years ago, when I was very interested (at least in the abstract) 
>> in randonneuring, I travelled to Peter Weigle’s lovely shop in Connecticut 
>> and purchased a JPW-reimagined 650B conversion of a Raleigh Competition.  
>> Peter has done a few of these extensive conversions over the years, and the 
>> reviews on Flickr by their owners are incredibly enthusiastic.  My example 
>> is gorgeous — a deep maroon with gold pin striping by Peter, and contrasting 
>> blue paint on the lugs.  The details are stunning.  Here are a few pics of 
>> the bike in Peter’s shop and mocked up after the conversion:
>> 
>> 
>> Raleigh, modified by JPW as 650B randonneur
>> flic.kr
>>  Raleigh, modified by JPW as 650B randonneur 
>> 
>> flic.kr 
>> 
>> JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition
>> flic.kr
>>  JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
>> 
>> flic.kr 
>> 
>> JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition
>> flic.kr
>>  JPW image of reimagined Raleigh Competition 
>> 
>> flic.kr 
>> 
>> The frameset came with installed headset, perfectly fitted fluted fenders, 
>> Mafac brakes, JPW custom front rack and taillight, and pump.  On Flickr, 
>> Peter described the many steps in the conversion process for this bike this 
>> way:
>> “I want these conversions to be special, and there are many things that 
>> happen in the process. 
>> Here's a short list.
>> First of all each frame is inspected to make sure everything seems ok.
>> Frame geometry is measured, forks are re-raked to obtain the desired trail.
>> The frame is milled and faced, the crown race is turned down to fit standard 
>> headsets.
>> Frame is checked for alignment, this will be repeated as the bridges are 
>> installed, and one more time as a final check.
>> Bridges are cut out and new ones placed in the proper location for 650b 
>> fender lines.
>> Chainstays are manipulated to increase clearance for 42 mm tires.
>> Cantilever bosses are added and cable hangers modified as needed.
>> Brake cable guides are removed and are replaced on the other side of the 
>> tube from their stock location to "sweeten" up the brake cable routing. 
>> Water bottle, shift lever, pump mounts and tail light mounts are brazed on.
>> On this frame the forks were modified to accept a dyno wire inside.
>> A custom front rack is made, fenders are reshaped and installed.
>> A custom tail light needs to be fashioned, and a pump modified to fit.
>> Mafac cantilevers are cleaned up, polished and a set of Kool Stop pads are 
>> installed.
>> The frame is bead blasted, primed, painted, lug lined, box striped, decals 
>> are applied, clear coats applied, baked, and then hand rubbed.
>> Frame Saver is applied and a headset is installed, then I have to take the 
>> photos for all to see.”
>> 
>> On Flickr, our group member Bill Lindsay commented on this bike: 
>> 
>> “JPW in one word, Varsity — almost everybody else, in two words, Junior 
>> Varsity.”
>> 
>> I immediately began planning to finish the build.  I built a dyno wheel set 
>> (SON front hub, Compass Cycles rear, with VO rims) with 42mm Grand Bois 
>> Hetres, installed a BB (I think it’s a Phil Wood), Rene Herse crankset, 
>> Nitto stem with Rene Herse decaleur, Nitto lugged seatpost, and beautiful 
>> NOS Ideale saddle.  I set aside a tall Berthoud Handlebar Bag, and collected 
>> a Campy groupset and (at Peter’s recommendation) a set of Huret Jubilee 
>> derailleurs and shifters.  And then life intervened, and now (more than 10 
>> years later), being realistic, I know I’m not going to finish this build.  
>> That makes me sad, BUT is an opportunity for someone else, I hope someone on 
>> this list.
>> 
>> I really want this bike to go to someone who will appreciate it and ride it. 
>>  So:
>> 
>> I will sell what Peter sold me (frameset, fenders, custom rack and 
>> taillight, pump and Mafac brakeset) for the price I paid in 2012: $2100.  I 
>> imagine if Peter were still doing these, that price would be much, much 
>> higher.
>> 
>> I will also sell any of the