Re: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO

2011-05-06 Thread Tim McNamara

On May 6, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Ray wrote:

>  But, yesterday I received a phone call
> from an investigator working for the insurance company. She wanted to
> know about the bike I was riding. Who made it, sold it, who maintained
> it, what type of components did it have, was I wearing a helmet, what
> manufacturer of the helmet and the components on the bike. Have I
> resumed cycling? I started to get a little annoyed and asked what this
> was all about. She told me it was a routine follow up typical of
> bicycle collisions. I have crashed other bicyles and motorcycles, have
> been transported and hospitalized as a result, and was never asked
> about the equipment I was riding.
> 
> I assured her that the collision was a result of not heeding the
> conditions of the roadway and not slowing in time (and the report
> backed me up). I assured her that there was nothing wrong with the
> bike (a 6-year old Canti-Rom) -- even following the crash.  It
> suffered only cosmetic damage.  I was careful not to use the
> manufacturer's name, and referred to it as a CantiRom make.  I guess
> she bought that because she probed no deeper into the maker or where I
> bought it.
> 
> If any of you have had a similar experience, I'd like to know. It's
> never happened to me before. Is this something new that insurance
> companies do. Incidentally, there was an official report made of the
> collision. Her introduction did say the investigation was to determine
> if there was a negligent party or entity that would be partially
> responsible for some of the costs associated with the claim.  This is
> a nationally recognized health insurance provider, HMO.  I'd rather
> not give the name.

Welcome to the wonderful world of liability lawsuits.  Your HMO is looking for 
a deep pocket to shift the costs of your health care onto.

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RE: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO

2011-05-06 Thread Joe Bartoe
Yes, but they were likely gushing thevpotential for that. 

Joe

Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 19:21:22 -0700
From: r.sh...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

True, Joe. But, I have not pursued any other claims from any other person or 
entity.  I can understand the line of questioning if I had done that. But, I 
have no reason to after anyone. The crash was 100% my fault. It's like the 
insurance company was trying to find that option on their own, or something.  

From: Joe Bartoe 
To:
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO






 
Yep, this is what it's come down to. The insurance company basically is asking 
whether you might have a reason to seek money from some source for being a 
cause of your accident. If you had a reason to sue somebody, such as the bike 
mfr or the helmet mfr, the HMO would have the right to seek compensation from 
you for any costs that they had as a result of your accident. This would only 
be the case if you sued successfully or reached some settlement with the 
companies. 

When I settled with the driver who opened his car door and hit me, I had to 
repay some portions of my health insurance costs to Aetna. For some reason, I 
was the victim and they can come after my settlement. It was, after all, the 
sole fault of the driver. Why didn't they sue him for those costs? Because 
that's the way the laws governing this sort of thing work.

Take care and heal fast!

Joe

Joe Bartoe

Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
email: j...@synapticcycles.com
website: www.synapticcycles.com
Twitter: @synapticcycles

phone: 949-374-6079



> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:55:39 -0700
> Subject: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO
> From: r.sh...@sbcglobal.net
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> Last January, I crashed on a fast downgrade with a 90 degree turn at
> the bottom. I was obviously going too fast for conditions. I collided
> with a guard rail and the roadway, which was newly paved and in
> pristine condition.  The result was a slight concussion and a broken
> collar bone that required surgery to plate and screw it back together.
> Rehab has been on-going, and I still lack full range of motion in the
> effected shoulder. I have returned to cycling and commute to work by
> bike.  I don't yet ride a bike with drop bars, however.
> 
> Fortunately, I have health insurance, although I did opt for a higher
> co-pay to reduce the cost.. But, yesterday I received a
 phone call
> from an investigator working for the insurance company. She wanted to
> know about the bike I was riding. Who made it, sold it, who maintained
> it, what type of components did it have, was I wearing a helmet, what
> manufacturer of the helmet and the components on the bike. Have I
> resumed cycling? I started to get a little annoyed and asked what this
> was all about. She told me it was a routine follow up typical of
> bicycle collisions. I have crashed other bicyles and motorcycles, have
> been transported and hospitalized as a result, and was never asked
> about the equipment I was riding.
> 
> I assured her that the collision was a result of not heeding the
> conditions of the roadway and not slowing in time (and the report
> backed me up). I assured her that there was nothing wrong with the
> bike (a 6-year old Canti-Rom) -- even following the crash. 
 It
> suffered only cosmetic damage.  I was careful not to use the
> manufacturer's name, and referred to it as a CantiRom make.  I guess
> she bought that because she probed no deeper into the maker or where I
> bought it.
> 
> If any of you have had a similar experience, I'd like to know. It's
> never happened to me before. Is this something new that insurance
> companies do. Incidentally, there was an official report made of the
> collision. Her introduction did say the investigation was to determine
> if there was a negligent party or entity that would be partially
> responsible for some of the costs associated with the claim.  This is
> a nationally recognized health insurance provider, HMO.  I'd rather
> not give the name.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO

2011-05-06 Thread Ray Shine
True, Joe. But, I have not pursued any other claims from any other person or 
entity.  I can understand the line of questioning if I had done that. But, I 
have no reason to after anyone. The crash was 100% my fault. It's like the 
insurance company was trying to find that option on their own, or something.  




>
>From: Joe Bartoe 
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 7:04 PM
>Subject: RE: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO
>
>
> Yep, this is what it's come down to. The insurance company basically is 
> asking whether you might have a reason to seek money from some source for 
> being a cause of your accident. If you had a reason to sue somebody, such as 
> the bike mfr or the helmet mfr, the HMO would have the right to seek 
> compensation from you for any costs that they had as a result of your 
> accident. This would only be the case if you sued successfully or reached 
> some settlement with the companies. 
>
>When I settled with the driver who opened his car door and hit me, I had to 
>repay some portions of my health insurance costs to Aetna. For some reason, I 
>was the victim and they can come after my settlement. It was, after all, the 
>sole fault of the driver. Why didn't they sue him for those costs? Because 
>that's the way the laws governing this sort of thing work.
>
>Take care and heal fast!
>
>Joe
>
>Joe Bartoe
>Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
>email: j...@synapticcycles.com
>website: www.synapticcycles.com
>Twitter: @synapticcycles
>phone: 949-374-6079
>
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:55:39 -0700
>> Subject: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO
>> From: r.sh...@sbcglobal.net
>> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> Last January, I crashed on a fast downgrade with a 90 degree turn at
>> the bottom. I was obviously going too fast for conditions. I collided
>> with a guard rail and the roadway, which was newly paved and in
>> pristine condition.  The result was a slight concussion and a broken
>> collar bone that required surgery to plate and screw it back together.
>> Rehab has been on-going, and I still lack full range of motion in the
>> effected shoulder. I have returned to cycling and commute to work by
>> bike.  I don't yet ride a bike with drop bars, however.
>> 
>> Fortunately, I have health insurance, although I did opt for a higher
>> co-pay to reduce the cost.. But, yesterday I received a phone call
>> from an investigator working for the insurance company. She wanted to
>> know about the bike I was riding. Who made it, sold it, who maintained
>> it, what type of components did it have, was I wearing a helmet, what
>> manufacturer of the helmet and the components on the bike. Have I
>> resumed cycling? I started to get a little annoyed and asked what this
>> was all about. She told me it was a routine follow up typical of
>> bicycle collisions. I have crashed other bicyles and motorcycles, have
>> been transported and hospitalized as a result, and was never asked
>> about the equipment I was riding.
>> 
>> I assured her that the collision was a result of not heeding the
>> conditions of the roadway and not slowing in time (and the report
>> backed me up). I assured her that there was nothing wrong with the
>> bike (a 6-year old Canti-Rom) -- even following the crash.  It
>> suffered only cosmetic damage.  I was careful not to use the
>> manufacturer's name, and referred to it as a CantiRom make.  I guess
>> she bought that because she probed no deeper into the maker or where I
>> bought it.
>> 
>> If any of you have had a similar experience, I'd like to know. It's
>> never happened to me before. Is this something new that insurance
>> companies do. Incidentally, there was an official report made of the
>> collision. Her introduction did say the investigation was to determine
>> if there was a negligent party or entity that would be partially
>> responsible for some of the costs associated with the claim.  This is
>> a nationally recognized health insurance provider, HMO.  I'd rather
>> not give the name.
>> 
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RE: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO

2011-05-06 Thread Joe Bartoe

Yep, this is what it's come down to. The insurance company basically is asking 
whether you might have a reason to seek money from some source for being a 
cause of your accident. If you had a reason to sue somebody, such as the bike 
mfr or the helmet mfr, the HMO would have the right to seek compensation from 
you for any costs that they had as a result of your accident. This would only 
be the case if you sued successfully or reached some settlement with the 
companies. 

When I settled with the driver who opened his car door and hit me, I had to 
repay some portions of my health insurance costs to Aetna. For some reason, I 
was the victim and they can come after my settlement. It was, after all, the 
sole fault of the driver. Why didn't they sue him for those costs? Because 
that's the way the laws governing this sort of thing work.

Take care and heal fast!

Joe

Joe Bartoe

Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
email: j...@synapticcycles.com
website: www.synapticcycles.com
Twitter: @synapticcycles

phone: 949-374-6079



> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:55:39 -0700
> Subject: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO
> From: r.sh...@sbcglobal.net
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> Last January, I crashed on a fast downgrade with a 90 degree turn at
> the bottom. I was obviously going too fast for conditions. I collided
> with a guard rail and the roadway, which was newly paved and in
> pristine condition.  The result was a slight concussion and a broken
> collar bone that required surgery to plate and screw it back together.
> Rehab has been on-going, and I still lack full range of motion in the
> effected shoulder. I have returned to cycling and commute to work by
> bike.  I don't yet ride a bike with drop bars, however.
> 
> Fortunately, I have health insurance, although I did opt for a higher
> co-pay to reduce the cost.. But, yesterday I received a phone call
> from an investigator working for the insurance company. She wanted to
> know about the bike I was riding. Who made it, sold it, who maintained
> it, what type of components did it have, was I wearing a helmet, what
> manufacturer of the helmet and the components on the bike. Have I
> resumed cycling? I started to get a little annoyed and asked what this
> was all about. She told me it was a routine follow up typical of
> bicycle collisions. I have crashed other bicyles and motorcycles, have
> been transported and hospitalized as a result, and was never asked
> about the equipment I was riding.
> 
> I assured her that the collision was a result of not heeding the
> conditions of the roadway and not slowing in time (and the report
> backed me up). I assured her that there was nothing wrong with the
> bike (a 6-year old Canti-Rom) -- even following the crash.  It
> suffered only cosmetic damage.  I was careful not to use the
> manufacturer's name, and referred to it as a CantiRom make.  I guess
> she bought that because she probed no deeper into the maker or where I
> bought it.
> 
> If any of you have had a similar experience, I'd like to know. It's
> never happened to me before. Is this something new that insurance
> companies do. Incidentally, there was an official report made of the
> collision. Her introduction did say the investigation was to determine
> if there was a negligent party or entity that would be partially
> responsible for some of the costs associated with the claim.  This is
> a nationally recognized health insurance provider, HMO.  I'd rather
> not give the name.
> 
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[RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO

2011-05-06 Thread Ray
Last January, I crashed on a fast downgrade with a 90 degree turn at
the bottom. I was obviously going too fast for conditions. I collided
with a guard rail and the roadway, which was newly paved and in
pristine condition.  The result was a slight concussion and a broken
collar bone that required surgery to plate and screw it back together.
Rehab has been on-going, and I still lack full range of motion in the
effected shoulder. I have returned to cycling and commute to work by
bike.  I don't yet ride a bike with drop bars, however.

Fortunately, I have health insurance, although I did opt for a higher
co-pay to reduce the cost.. But, yesterday I received a phone call
from an investigator working for the insurance company. She wanted to
know about the bike I was riding. Who made it, sold it, who maintained
it, what type of components did it have, was I wearing a helmet, what
manufacturer of the helmet and the components on the bike. Have I
resumed cycling? I started to get a little annoyed and asked what this
was all about. She told me it was a routine follow up typical of
bicycle collisions. I have crashed other bicyles and motorcycles, have
been transported and hospitalized as a result, and was never asked
about the equipment I was riding.

I assured her that the collision was a result of not heeding the
conditions of the roadway and not slowing in time (and the report
backed me up). I assured her that there was nothing wrong with the
bike (a 6-year old Canti-Rom) -- even following the crash.  It
suffered only cosmetic damage.  I was careful not to use the
manufacturer's name, and referred to it as a CantiRom make.  I guess
she bought that because she probed no deeper into the maker or where I
bought it.

If any of you have had a similar experience, I'd like to know. It's
never happened to me before. Is this something new that insurance
companies do. Incidentally, there was an official report made of the
collision. Her introduction did say the investigation was to determine
if there was a negligent party or entity that would be partially
responsible for some of the costs associated with the claim.  This is
a nationally recognized health insurance provider, HMO.  I'd rather
not give the name.

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