[RBW] Re: + 1 more for Stan's and the F Freds

2013-09-09 Thread art


On Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:55:45 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I don't want to make myself a bore on the subject, but the combination is, 
 to my mind, as big a benefit to all rounder -- ie combination dirt/pavement 
 -- cycling as clipless pedals and modern dynamo lighting to the sport 
 generally. More miles on the Fargo this morning, half dirt. I came across a 
 cyclist flicking the goatheads from her tires, stopped to offer help and 
 was told that the tires had sealant. So the goatheads are thick and nasty. 
 But no flats at all.

 ~ 40 miles so far of local bosque dirt (plus more pavement) and, not only 
 no flats, no need to add air. I can tell I've lost a bit of pressure as air 
 escapes while the sealant does its job, but just barely enough to notice 
 when I squeeze the tires. And this with wonderfully fast pavement rolling.

 I do notice the usual wind resistance when riding into a stiff headwind, 
 compared to, say, 35 mm Kojaks -- all 2+ tires that measure ~29 are like 
 sails compared to skinnier or shorter tires, at least IME. But that aside, 
 the Freds roll wonderfully on pavement and firm dirt or gravel, and do well 
 enough in sand that I don't miss wider, softer tires too much in sandy 
 areas.

 Hi Patrick:

I've been reading these posts with interest, because I've been riding my 
old Stumpjumper around the city here with 2.35 Big Apple Liteskins, 
admittedly a somewhat different application, and love the huge and pretty 
compliant tires. I also read a blog post a while back about someone riding 
559 Furious Freds on the road, and loving them. My question: what 
differences might one expect between  29er versus 26er versions? I ride 
both wide 650b's (Hetres) and 700x40s (Vittoria Voyager Hypers) and love 
both -- but the Hetres definitely spin up faster and don't feel quite as 
cumbersome when cornering, etc. in urban riding. What do you, or what does 
anyone else, think?

Art
Tacoma, WA

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Re: [RBW] Re: + 1 more for Stan's and the F Freds

2013-09-09 Thread Patrick Moore
Art -- I can't speak directly to the 559 size, but I have used both 559 and
622 60 mm Big Apples and found that the 622s seem to float over sand and
absorb high amplitude bumps better at a given pressure (30 psi in the 700C
feels like -- IIRC -- 25 psi on the 26ers).

OTOH, while the sole 622 FF is 50 mm wide (measuring 10% wider on my wide
rims) I see that a 2.4 version of the FF is available in the 559 size, and
I'll bet that the addtional 1 cm or so of width will more than make up for
the smaller diameter when comparing these two tires -- though, for mostly
pavement, I'd say that the 50 mm 26er is perfectly adequate.

I'll be interested to read of your impressions should you try the FFs.


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 9:24 AM, art rthrstrum...@gmail.com wrote:



 Hi Patrick:

 I've been reading these posts with interest, because I've been riding my
 old Stumpjumper around the city here with 2.35 Big Apple Liteskins,
 admittedly a somewhat different application, and love the huge and pretty
 compliant tires. I also read a blog post a while back about someone riding
 559 Furious Freds on the road, and loving them. My question: what
 differences might one expect between  29er versus 26er versions? I ride
 both wide 650b's (Hetres) and 700x40s (Vittoria Voyager Hypers) and love
 both -- but the Hetres definitely spin up faster and don't feel quite as
 cumbersome when cornering, etc. in urban riding. What do you, or what does
 anyone else, think?

 Art
 Tacoma, WA

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[RBW] Re: + 1 more for Stan's and the F Freds

2013-09-09 Thread Philip Williamson
Okay, my interest in Furious Freds is piqued. I've been happily riding 622 
60mm Big Apples on the Gravel Roadster (very Fargo-ish bike), but lighter, 
faster, smaller diameter (the rear BA is 2mm from the seat tube) tires 
sound great.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:55:45 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I don't want to make myself a bore on the subject, but the combination is, 
 to my mind, as big a benefit to all rounder -- ie combination dirt/pavement 
 -- cycling as clipless pedals and modern dynamo lighting to the sport 
 generally. More miles on the Fargo this morning, half dirt. I came across a 
 cyclist flicking the goatheads from her tires, stopped to offer help and 
 was told that the tires had sealant. So the goatheads are thick and nasty. 
 But no flats at all.

 ~ 40 miles so far of local bosque dirt (plus more pavement) and, not only 
 no flats, no need to add air. I can tell I've lost a bit of pressure as air 
 escapes while the sealant does its job, but just barely enough to notice 
 when I squeeze the tires. And this with wonderfully fast pavement rolling.

 I do notice the usual wind resistance when riding into a stiff headwind, 
 compared to, say, 35 mm Kojaks -- all 2+ tires that measure ~29 are like 
 sails compared to skinnier or shorter tires, at least IME. But that aside, 
 the Freds roll wonderfully on pavement and firm dirt or gravel, and do well 
 enough in sand that I don't miss wider, softer tires too much in sandy 
 areas.

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