Re: [RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

2016-09-24 Thread Eric Karnes 
All good points. One more observation: watching this list the last year, 
I've found frame sales tends to go better for the seller than full bike 
sales. Not that you can't sell complete bikes, but many of the posters here 
(myself included), tend to build up their own rigs and often have enough 
spare parts banging around to complete at least one bike (again, myself 
included). In addition, many of us have personal preferences for parts and 
personal needs for stem length, crank length, gearing, handlebar width, etc.

That said, if it was a 62 and I was in the market for a road bike, I'd jump 
on it!

Eric
  

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 1:53:22 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>
> I appreciate the comments of all.  I could use the wheels and some other 
> parts for another project, so I may strip it down and relist the frame 
> alone in a few months.  Maybe just think about it some more.  Not sure yet.
> Patrick, I'll let you know if the cranks don't get used.
>
> Alan
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 1:14:59 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> If I didn't have a converted 650b Redwood if be considering this very 
>> seriously. 
>> FWIW, I paid $1000 shipped for my Redwood (came with 700c) with a very 
>> nice parts package that I sold off and nearly made my money back. 
>> David
>> Chicago 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

2016-09-24 Thread alan lavine 
I appreciate the comments of all.  I could use the wheels and some other 
parts for another project, so I may strip it down and relist the frame 
alone in a few months.  Maybe just think about it some more.  Not sure yet.
Patrick, I'll let you know if the cranks don't get used.

Alan

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 1:14:59 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> If I didn't have a converted 650b Redwood if be considering this very 
> seriously. 
> FWIW, I paid $1000 shipped for my Redwood (came with 700c) with a very 
> nice parts package that I sold off and nearly made my money back. 
> David
> Chicago 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

2016-09-24 Thread David Banzer 
If I didn't have a converted 650b Redwood if be considering this very 
seriously. 
FWIW, I paid $1000 shipped for my Redwood (came with 700c) with a very nice 
parts package that I sold off and nearly made my money back. 
David
Chicago 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

2016-09-24 Thread James Warren 
Totally reasonable, and a great buy for the right person. If I didn't already 
have one in that size, I would have leapt earlier.


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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 4:32 AM, alan lavine  wrote:
> 
> I'm rather surprised by the lack of interest in the Ram...is my pricing way 
> off?  How about $1500 for the full bike, $900 for frame?  Feel free to make 
> offers that are reasonable.
> 
> Thanks, Alan
> 
>> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:21:40 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>> Willing to ship, if needed, and price drop to $1600.  Next stop, Flea Bay.
>> 
>> Alan
>> NYC
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[RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

2016-09-24 Thread Chris 
just a guess, but a 64cm bike is a BIG bike... even in Grant's "go bigger" 
mentality...  $1,500 seems very reasonable, you just gotta find the right 
person that needs a bike that big...  I can tell I have an almost brand new 
Ibis cross bike on http://forums.thepaceline.net for $1600 with no bites, 
and that's a $3k bike new... I think it's just a buyer's market right now 
with plenty of choices...  if your bike was more my size, I might be all 
over it... an orange Ram is one of "grail bikes"...  ;^)

Good Luck!

Chris

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 7:32:11 AM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>
> I'm rather surprised by the lack of interest in the Ram...is my pricing 
> way off?  How about $1500 for the full bike, $900 for frame?  Feel free to 
> make offers that are reasonable.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:21:40 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>>
>> Willing to ship, if needed, and price drop to $1600.  Next stop, Flea Bay.
>>
>> Alan
>> NYC
>>
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[RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

2016-09-24 Thread Chris 
just a guess, but a 64cm bike is a BIG bike... even in Grant's "go bigger" 
mentality...  $1,500 seems very reasonable, you just gotta find the right 
person that needs a bike that big...  I can tell I have an almost brand new 
Ibis cross bike on paceline.net for $1600 with no bites, and that's a $3k 
bike new... I think it's just a buyer's market right now with plenty of 
choices...  if your bike was more my size, I might be all over it... an 
orange Ram is one of "grail bikes"...  ;^)

Good Luck!

Chris

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 7:32:11 AM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>
> I'm rather surprised by the lack of interest in the Ram...is my pricing 
> way off?  How about $1500 for the full bike, $900 for frame?  Feel free to 
> make offers that are reasonable.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:21:40 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>>
>> Willing to ship, if needed, and price drop to $1600.  Next stop, Flea Bay.
>>
>> Alan
>> NYC
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

2016-09-24 Thread Patrick Moore 
Alan: I went back and looked at your original post (I find it useful to
include the original FS post and photos in bumps) and it looks like a very
nice bike and actually a good deal especially with rack and bags.

But I've found over the years that demand will swell and dwindle; you might
list the bike in a few months and find several offers; OTOH, there are dry
spells.

Also, I've found out literally dozens of times, that unless you adamantly
buy and build cheap and used, it is very rare to get close to one's money
back on the sale of a bike or frame.

I seem to recall buying and then a couple of years later selling on a Ram
frameset for about $600; granted I was owner # 2, if not #3, but this was a
mid-curve 58 cm frame of the later model that takes 35s and fenders, and
the frameset was in good condition. Demand for a 64 is bound to be less and
more sporadic.

I also recall selling a 56 cm, original model, original owner Sam Hill,
nicely augmented with front low rider bosses, and finding less demand than
I'd wished -- I finally sold it as a well built complete bike (but not as
nicely built as yours!) for, IIRC, $1,200.

This bike might interest someone on the Boblist, which I think is
considerably bigger than the RBW list though there is great overlap;
perhaps you are not a member of that list? I know that the Boblist
listminders disapprove of joining just to sell, but this bike ought to
interest so many that perhaps they'd make an exception.

(Steve: are you listening?)

Aside: If you ever consider selling the 175, 42/30, 50.4 bcd Sugino
chainset, I'd be interested in talking.





On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 5:32 AM, alan lavine  wrote:

> I'm rather surprised by the lack of interest in the Ram...is my pricing
> way off?  How about $1500 for the full bike, $900 for frame?  Feel free to
> make offers that are reasonable.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:21:40 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>>
>> Willing to ship, if needed, and price drop to $1600.  Next stop, Flea Bay.
>>
>> Alan
>> NYC
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[RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

2016-09-24 Thread alan lavine 
I'm rather surprised by the lack of interest in the Ram...is my pricing way 
off?  How about $1500 for the full bike, $900 for frame?  Feel free to make 
offers that are reasonable.

Thanks, Alan

On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:21:40 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
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> Willing to ship, if needed, and price drop to $1600.  Next stop, Flea Bay.
>
> Alan
> NYC
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