[RBW] Re: A question about frame bags
Tim, I’ve refrained from chiming in, but seeing your more specific circumstance and desire I feel obliged. I love bikepacking my Hunqapillar with rear panniers and loading my sleeping bag/pad/tent on top of the rear rack. I sometimes add a small trunk sack with food to a mini front rack, but of late I prefer leaving the front wheel empty. I ride fairly technical singletrack with this set up and have zero issue with handling. You can see my set up here: https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/s24o-on-the-skirts-of-pikes-peak I’ve ridden a bit of the Colorado Trail, the Continental Divide Trail (both nearly all single track) and a few hundred miles of the Great Divide MTB trail (mostly forest service roads in various states of (dis)repair) and this is the set up I’ve settled on for me. I care what I need for comfort no matter which of the four seasons shows up, so I’m prepard for down to zero nights and whatever winds occure, even in the middle of summer. My load totals about 50 pounds with food and water. Biking trails with a load requires a different set of expectations and handling skills than biking the same trails without a load. Kinda the difference between riding a spirited mountain horse with and without him loaded for camping, I expect. The only way to learn it is to do it, and you’re well on your way with the trip you’ve already taken. Play, have fun, and you’ll learn something with every trip, no matter how often you’ve gone — and some of those will be grand adventures BECAUSE of what you get to learn. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: A question about frame bags
Thanks for all the input. I'm really curious about bike packing and touring. I did my first tour this past May and used my Berthoud handlebar bag and Nitto big rear rack with panniers on my Hilsen. I found the handling a little squirrely but I'm 230, so with luggage there was quite a load. I think an Atlantis would have handled it better. And for bikepacking, my Hunqapillar has the diagatube, so I think that would limit a frame bag a lot, and each triangle has a bottle holder as well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: A question about frame bags
Tim, The frame bag allows you to utilize a oft under utilized space. I have over stuffed mine and it does not interfere with my pedaling. It also allows you to store heavy items towards the center of gravity of the bike. Sorry, I didn't read all the posts so perhaps I'm just repeating what others have already mentioned. ~hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: A question about frame bags
Tim talked about having seen frame bags and asked "Why?" He then went on to provide some answers to the opposite question "Why not?" To me, the obvious answer "Why?" is that for any diamond frame bicycle, if you need to add a small amount of cargo weight to that bicycle, the absolute optimum place to put that weight is inside the main triangle of the frame. It is the best place to add weight, period. Best because A. it affects your stability on the bike the least. B. It grows the bike zero. and C. The bike is its own rack. There are numerous reasons why you might choose NOT to put weight in the best place possible. 1. I have two water bottles and a pump in there, and there's no room for a bag 2. I don't want to pay for a custom bag to fit my frame 3. The bag that would fit my frame will only carry a small fraction of my total target cargo load, so I need someplace else anyway 4. I think they are ugly, or not sufficiently traditional looking 5. The other places to add weight that are "not as good" are, in my experience, not that bad. I don't mind carrying panniers and/or saddlebags, etc Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:01:56 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote: > > This is from the uninitiated. I've only seen them in photos, so no > experience at all. The question: Why? It seems like they couldn't hold much > (compared to saddle bags or panniers) without being stuffed to the point > where they would interfere with pedaling. > > The upsides I see would be that they don't increase the width of the bike > like panniers do, and maybe the weight would not affect handling as much as > a saddlebag. > > Just curious. > > > Tim "who has bikes with saddlebags, panniers, and handlebar bags" Kirch > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: A question about frame bags
A friend sewed me a frame bag that fits both my Clem and my Long Haul Trucker: https://www.instagram.com/p/BPJJ9jFjzKF/ https://www.instagram.com/p/BVXIr7rBxqy/ For me, it is bar none the best bag I've owned for long day rides where you might want to access food and layers in the bag without stopping. So easy to reach down, undo the zipper, and reach inside on the move. I've never used a randonneur-style front bag, but I have a hard time imagining that it's easier with the handlebar in the way. I haven't done any bikepacking or touring with it per se, but I have done a couple of credit-card style overnighters, and the frame bag plus a change of clothes in a medium Sackville ShopSack in a front Wald basket was the perfect amount of carrying capacity. I will say that I don't use it for commuting. My commute involves both taking the bag on and off the bike and shouldering the bike, and the ShopSack is a better bag for that application. On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:01:56 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote: > > This is from the uninitiated. I've only seen them in photos, so no > experience at all. The question: Why? It seems like they couldn't hold much > (compared to saddle bags or panniers) without being stuffed to the point > where they would interfere with pedaling. > > The upsides I see would be that they don't increase the width of the bike > like panniers do, and maybe the weight would not affect handling as much as > a saddlebag. > > Just curious. > > > Tim "who has bikes with saddlebags, panniers, and handlebar bags" Kirch > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: A question about frame bags
I've never had any problem pushing a bike with rear panniers -- Ortieb Roller Packers and Packer Pluses, or whatever the 2 full sized models are; but my bikes have long stays, and perhaps because of my, admittedly, cool pushing method, holding the bike with left hand at the stem/bar junction -- even up hills. That said, I have found them annoying even in sparse brush, and in such an environment, a large frame bag would seem (I've not used a large one) preferable. I do use a medium Revelate frame bag to hold my kit (including bulky mountain bike tube and 4 oz bottle of Orange Seal, as well as one of the fatter Lezyne minipumps; but especially to carry the bulky switch and capacitor, along with bundled cables, for the K-Lite. The bag has room left over from all this stuff to carry, say, a sandwich and a tightly rolled up, lightweight vest. I like this better than the 2 top tube bags I used before -- more room, but interferes less with the rider. The medium still allows use of both inside-triangle bottle cages. OTOH, I like panniers because it is much easier to put them on and take them off; I adjust carrying capacity to the load envisioned. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: A question about frame bags
I have read that Tour Divide riders found that racks inevitably failed due to fatigue or damage from crashes, so they dodge that potential failure by just lashing everything to the frame, fork, handlebar or seatpost. Bill Stockton, CA On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:01:56 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote: > > This is from the uninitiated. I've only seen them in photos, so no > experience at all. The question: Why? It seems like they couldn't hold much > (compared to saddle bags or panniers) without being stuffed to the point > where they would interfere with pedaling. > > The upsides I see would be that they don't increase the width of the bike > like panniers do, and maybe the weight would not affect handling as much as > a saddlebag. > > Just curious. > > > Tim "who has bikes with saddlebags, panniers, and handlebar bags" Kirch > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: A question about frame bags
I have a small revelate tangle bag. I use it just for small stuff but it is a small bag. Perfect for a few beers or a jacket or whatever. I think a big part of bikepacking, as I understand it, is that you don't bring as much stuff. More like lightweight backpacking. On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:01:56 AM UTC-7, Tim wrote: > > This is from the uninitiated. I've only seen them in photos, so no > experience at all. The question: Why? It seems like they couldn't hold much > (compared to saddle bags or panniers) without being stuffed to the point > where they would interfere with pedaling. > > The upsides I see would be that they don't increase the width of the bike > like panniers do, and maybe the weight would not affect handling as much as > a saddlebag. > > Just curious. > > > Tim "who has bikes with saddlebags, panniers, and handlebar bags" Kirch > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
