Re: [RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
If Heaven smiles on me, and God willing, and things go well, and the earth continues blithely in its orbit, while lambkins gambol and larks sing: I will have a size M, original edition (non-susp-corrected) Fargo frameset for sale in about 2 months. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:39 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: I visited my favorite LBS today and they had a Vaya and a Fargo on the floor! Two bikes I've admired and wondered about for a couple of years. I really wanted to test ride them but instead, I limited my test rides to the bikes I'm actually considering purchasing. I dropped off a frame for some work so I plan to ride the Fargo, at the least, when I pick it up on Monday. If I ever get heavily into dirt riding, a flat-bar Fargo might be a good choice for me. On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 11:39:50 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Ooooh, oooh, and with Class 5 Vibration Reduction System. I'm still using Class 1 -- fat soft tires. Actually, it sounds very interesting and I'd love to try one, but I wonder if it can handle fenders and loads the way I hope any Fargo replacement I buy will. I don't suppose that there is any real liability to carbon fiber in this sort of bike, where you're not trying to build a 2 lb frame? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Justin August justin...@icloud.com wrote: Patrick- Your ride is here, in Crabln Fibre: http://theradavist.com/2015/06/introducing-the-salsa-cycles-cutthroat-tour-divide-bike/#1 -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
I visited my favorite LBS today and they had a Vaya and a Fargo on the floor! Two bikes I've admired and wondered about for a couple of years. I really wanted to test ride them but instead, I limited my test rides to the bikes I'm actually considering purchasing. I dropped off a frame for some work so I plan to ride the Fargo, at the least, when I pick it up on Monday. If I ever get heavily into dirt riding, a flat-bar Fargo might be a good choice for me. On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 11:39:50 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Ooooh, oooh, and with Class 5 Vibration Reduction System. I'm still using Class 1 -- fat soft tires. Actually, it sounds very interesting and I'd love to try one, but I wonder if it can handle fenders and loads the way I hope any Fargo replacement I buy will. I don't suppose that there is any real liability to carbon fiber in this sort of bike, where you're not trying to build a 2 lb frame? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Justin August justin...@icloud.com javascript: wrote: Patrick- Your ride is here, in Crabln Fibre: http://theradavist.com/2015/06/introducing-the-salsa-cycles-cutthroat-tour-divide-bike/#1 -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Vertically compliant, yet laterally stiff! On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 11:25:29 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: Dude. Philip www.biketinker.com On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 9:33:35 AM UTC-7, Justin August wrote: Patrick- Your ride is here, in Crabln Fibre: http://theradavist.com/2015/06/introducing-the-salsa-cycles-cutthroat-tour-divide-bike/#1 -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
The mascot of my high school was the might fighting lambkins, and they never let us gamble. Sigh. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 5:14:37 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Those are a lot of Ifs. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: If Heaven smiles on me, and God willing, and things go well, and the earth continues blithely in its orbit, while lambkins gambol and larks sing: I will have a size M, original edition (non-susp-corrected) Fargo frameset for sale in about 2 months. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:39 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: I visited my favorite LBS today and they had a Vaya and a Fargo on the floor! Two bikes I've admired and wondered about for a couple of years. I really wanted to test ride them but instead, I limited my test rides to the bikes I'm actually considering purchasing. I dropped off a frame for some work so I plan to ride the Fargo, at the least, when I pick it up on Monday. If I ever get heavily into dirt riding, a flat-bar Fargo might be a good choice for me. On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 11:39:50 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Ooooh, oooh, and with Class 5 Vibration Reduction System. I'm still using Class 1 -- fat soft tires. Actually, it sounds very interesting and I'd love to try one, but I wonder if it can handle fenders and loads the way I hope any Fargo replacement I buy will. I don't suppose that there is any real liability to carbon fiber in this sort of bike, where you're not trying to build a 2 lb frame? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Justin August justin...@icloud.com wrote: Patrick- Your ride is here, in Crabln Fibre: http://theradavist.com/2015/06/introducing-the-salsa-cycles-cutthroat-tour-divide-bike/#1 -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. Chuang Tzu Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. Aristotle The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. Chuang Tzu Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. Aristotle The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: [RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Those are a lot of Ifs. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: If Heaven smiles on me, and God willing, and things go well, and the earth continues blithely in its orbit, while lambkins gambol and larks sing: I will have a size M, original edition (non-susp-corrected) Fargo frameset for sale in about 2 months. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:39 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: I visited my favorite LBS today and they had a Vaya and a Fargo on the floor! Two bikes I've admired and wondered about for a couple of years. I really wanted to test ride them but instead, I limited my test rides to the bikes I'm actually considering purchasing. I dropped off a frame for some work so I plan to ride the Fargo, at the least, when I pick it up on Monday. If I ever get heavily into dirt riding, a flat-bar Fargo might be a good choice for me. On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 11:39:50 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Ooooh, oooh, and with Class 5 Vibration Reduction System. I'm still using Class 1 -- fat soft tires. Actually, it sounds very interesting and I'd love to try one, but I wonder if it can handle fenders and loads the way I hope any Fargo replacement I buy will. I don't suppose that there is any real liability to carbon fiber in this sort of bike, where you're not trying to build a 2 lb frame? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Justin August justin...@icloud.com wrote: Patrick- Your ride is here, in Crabln Fibre: http://theradavist.com/2015/06/introducing-the-salsa-cycles-cutthroat-tour-divide-bike/#1 -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. Chuang Tzu Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. Aristotle The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. Chuang Tzu Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. Aristotle The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Patrick- Your ride is here, in Crabln Fibre: http://theradavist.com/2015/06/introducing-the-salsa-cycles-cutthroat-tour-divide-bike/#1 -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Ooooh, oooh, and with Class 5 Vibration Reduction System. I'm still using Class 1 -- fat soft tires. Actually, it sounds very interesting and I'd love to try one, but I wonder if it can handle fenders and loads the way I hope any Fargo replacement I buy will. I don't suppose that there is any real liability to carbon fiber in this sort of bike, where you're not trying to build a 2 lb frame? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Justin August justin.aug...@icloud.com wrote: Patrick- Your ride is here, in Crabln Fibre: http://theradavist.com/2015/06/introducing-the-salsa-cycles-cutthroat-tour-divide-bike/#1 -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Philip, He doesn't divulge much about his geometry on-line but from what I can see about his Dirt Bomb , the BB is too high, HTA too shallow and tubing and fork too stiff. His dirt bomb is more MTB like than my Bantam which is a road bike version of a Dirt Bomb. I've seen a number of his bikes closeup as a local shop down here ( Pacific Coast Cycles) is a dealer and the owner has 3 or 4 Soulcrafts and they all follow the same approach. Lots of people like his bikes and he appears to be an excellent craftsman. I like quicker steering, flexier frames and lower BB's. And low trail geometry. IMO you want a bike that fits fatter tires and rides like your Quickbeam I would look elsewhere. Talk to John Fitzgerald at Fitz up there in your neighborhood. ~mike On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 5:31:39 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: What are the points of divergence between the way you like a bike to ride and the way Soulcraft likes a bike to ride? I most like the way my Quickbeam rides, so I'm interested if the ride of a Soulcraft is somehow very different. I'd go ride one, but I'm not in the market to buy one, so I don't want to waste anyone's time. Maybe I'll do it anyway. Philip www.biketinker.com On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 4:44:25 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: one reason I'd never have Soulcraft build a bike for me. I don't want a bike that rides like he likes... I want a bike that rides like I like. His Dirt Bombs max out out at 45 mm tires anyway.. so Patrick is out of luck. My Bantam is my version, more road bike than Soulcraft's Dirtbomb. He has built the Holy Roller model with dropbars and which will fit 55's with canti's so that is another option. I know a few people that have one. ~mike Carlsbad On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 10:54:36 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote: Here's one more option you might look at. Patrick. The Dirt Bomb by Soulcraft. http://www.soulcraftbikes.com/frames.php?frame_id=7 One of, if not *the* first semi-standard bike of this type available, outside of Rivendell. Semi-standard because they're built-to-order to your own personal measurements, rather than pre-built and sitting on a shelf. Not exactly custom either because, from what I understand, Shawn still insists on defining the rest of the geometry and tubing specs himself - not unlike the process you might get with a custom Rivendell. Lots of available options though, INCLUDING disc brakes at no extra cost, and rack-mounts galore. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Dude. Philip www.biketinker.com On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 9:33:35 AM UTC-7, Justin August wrote: Patrick- Your ride is here, in Crabln Fibre: http://theradavist.com/2015/06/introducing-the-salsa-cycles-cutthroat-tour-divide-bike/#1 -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Hey All, In Re Soulcraft, all I can say is that the results for me have been tremendous. I can't say better than the alternatives because once you have made a choice you no longer get to choose..so each choice precludes the other choices and the outcomes associated with those choices. If GP had on offer the Rodeo back then I may have chosen one of them. I wish he had because I bet a Rodeo would be a winner for me. He didn't, and I was an owner of a Rom, so I was aware of the possibilities. I looked around for someone who would build a proper road machine out of steel. Sean (sp?) was right there so I started the process. I found him to be very open. I did ask about the tubing and got the answer he now puts on his website. Regarding geometry we talked for a long time and he finally said 'what would you do?'. I said 'square 55s and parallel 73s.' To which he said something suggesting that he was hearing me. That talk ended but he called back about a week later. He said those numbers will give you a lot of toe overlap. No kidding I said. What would you do? I said slack the head angle. He himmed and hawed and asked if he could find a different answer. Right there is where I let go. Long and wonderful story cut shortI have never in my life better enjoyed any bicycle as I have enjoyed my Royale. The Rom is a fat pig in comparison (not a fair comparison). It ain't better, it's just freakin wonderful. I wish it was more compliant. but I love the way it accelerates. And it goes down hill like it is on the rails, but the rails of your choosing. Change your line in a corner and the bike does not get upset. I never found it's limit, it found mine. Life is short. Two wheel drifts down Diablo on misty mornings? Okie dokie. I know there is more going on than the framesetbut Sean did his part, and in the end it was his frame design, not mine. I'd get a Dirt Bomb in a heart beatiffin I had the dough. Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Soulcraft bikes, and the Dirtbomb in particular, have always been on my radar. Great to hear your positive experience with ordering as well as your love of the bike! On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 4:56:14 AM UTC-7, Chris in Redding, Ca. wrote: Hey All, In Re Soulcraft, all I can say is that the results for me have been tremendous. I can't say better than the alternatives because once you have made a choice you no longer get to choose..so each choice precludes the other choices and the outcomes associated with those choices. If GP had on offer the Rodeo back then I may have chosen one of them. I wish he had because I bet a Rodeo would be a winner for me. He didn't, and I was an owner of a Rom, so I was aware of the possibilities. I looked around for someone who would build a proper road machine out of steel. Sean (sp?) was right there so I started the process. I found him to be very open. I did ask about the tubing and got the answer he now puts on his website. Regarding geometry we talked for a long time and he finally said 'what would you do?'. I said 'square 55s and parallel 73s.' To which he said something suggesting that he was hearing me. That talk ended but he called back about a week later. He said those numbers will give you a lot of toe overlap. No kidding I said. What would you do? I said slack the head angle. He himmed and hawed and asked if he could find a different answer. Right there is where I let go. Long and wonderful story cut shortI have never in my life better enjoyed any bicycle as I have enjoyed my Royale. The Rom is a fat pig in comparison (not a fair comparison). It ain't better, it's just freakin wonderful. I wish it was more compliant. but I love the way it accelerates. And it goes down hill like it is on the rails, but the rails of your choosing. Change your line in a corner and the bike does not get upset. I never found it's limit, it found mine. Life is short. Two wheel drifts down Diablo on misty mornings? Okie dokie. I know there is more going on than the framesetbut Sean did his part, and in the end it was his frame design, not mine. I'd get a Dirt Bomb in a heart beatiffin I had the dough. Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Radivist (John Watson) took the cover, I think. This bike? http://theradavist.com/2015/01/benedicts-romantical-clockwork-bikes-dirt-droop-29r/#1 On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 11:35:26 AM UTC-4, BenG wrote: My new issue of Bicyling mag has your bike on the cover. Story is about the dude, no mention of the machine, but check out that bike. Lugs, fat tires, discs, non-aero levers, dirt drop or woodchipper bar, basket, bags aplenty. Magnificent. Story says he has a social media presence -anybody know about his bike? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Ha! I was drooling over the DIrtbomb yesterday! Soulcraft sent out an email looking for a couple people who wanted to sign up for next year's NAHBS bikes (nice discount, but you have to wait nine months). Philip www.biketinker.com On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 10:54:36 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote: Here's one more option you might look at. Patrick. The Dirt Bomb by Soulcraft. http://www.soulcraftbikes.com/frames.php?frame_id=7 One of, if not *the* first semi-standard bike of this type available, outside of Rivendell. Semi-standard because they're built-to-order to your own personal measurements, rather than pre-built and sitting on a shelf. Not exactly custom either because, from what I understand, Shawn still insists on defining the rest of the geometry and tubing specs himself - not unlike the process you might get with a custom Rivendell. Lots of available options though, INCLUDING disc brakes at no extra cost, and rack-mounts galore. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 9:35:26 AM UTC-6, BenG wrote: My new issue of Bicyling mag has your bike on the cover. Story is about the dude, no mention of the machine, but check out that bike. Lugs, fat tires, discs, non-aero levers, dirt drop or woodchipper bar, basket, bags aplenty. Magnificent. Story says he has a social media presence -anybody know about his bike? There was this photo posted on Riv's Instagram page a while back: https://instagram.com/p/08M2NLrxGp/?taken-by=rivbike Does that count as a media presence? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Here's one more option you might look at. Patrick. The Dirt Bomb by Soulcraft. http://www.soulcraftbikes.com/frames.php?frame_id=7 One of, if not *the* first semi-standard bike of this type available, outside of Rivendell. Semi-standard because they're built-to-order to your own personal measurements, rather than pre-built and sitting on a shelf. Not exactly custom either because, from what I understand, Shawn still insists on defining the rest of the geometry and tubing specs himself - not unlike the process you might get with a custom Rivendell. Lots of available options though, INCLUDING disc brakes at no extra cost, and rack-mounts galore. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
I have a desire for a similar bike, but without the panniers. I'd like to have a custom frame to take the parts from the Gravel Roadster https://instagram.com/p/2u0o-SA5jD/?taken-by=biketinker. It's a Gary Fisher Utopia frame with a Kona P2 fork. If anyone has a larger frame like this (Utopia or Marlin?), let me know! I love this mongrel bike. I'd ask a builder to mimic the handling of the Quickbeam, or this bike as it is, which might be easier, since the tires would be the same size. I want more clearance in the rear, larger frame, road weight steel tubing, 27.2 seatpost. Wider rims. I have this counter-intuitive idea that fatter tires should be coupled with a lighter road frame, not stouter, since the wheels are taking the shock. I think it's a frame style we'll see off-the-shelf the very near future as gravel grinders go big, but maybe not in steel. Functionally and aesthetically, I like the details of my Bontrager: OX Platinum, wishbone stays, gussets, top run cables; but with Breezer shrouded dropouts. I'm really happy with the Kona fork. As for a builder, Soulcraft has an unfussy (workingclass?) aesthetic I like, and a very pretty signature blue... Philip www.biketinker.com On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:21:38 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I am thinking that, God willing, I will have a custom frame built for local dirt-cum-pavement rides. Our bosque is so nice, winter and summer, and living within a good spit of it, and not having to commute to an office, means that I have much more opportunity for bosque miles now than I did a few years ago. I have a Fargo very nicely dialed in and very nicely set up for this sort of riding, but the handling is less than best, and the tubing is excessively stout. My next door neighbor rides a Jamis carbon fiber cyclocross bike along the same trails, though in dry summer when the sand gets deep, he uses a CF mountain bike. I think I want something that is, basically, a sedate road bike with room for 65s and fenders, plus a rear rack for occasional grocery loads. Perhaps a front rack, too, if the geometry requires more even spreading of the load. Gearing would be wide-spaced subcompact with close ratio rear, tho' with the choice of running a triple and wide range. (I think of building the bike up with the Dura Ace 7410 f and r derailleurs left over from the Ram, just 'cause.) Use would be largely what many of you would call short distance riding, but energetic riding, using drop bars and a position just a bit more relaxed than on the road bikes. But I'd like the bike to be capable of longer rides, and that laden, should such occasion arise. Laden will mean panniers. Disk brakes and 29er wheels are musts. The Jones sound wonderful, but I want mine to be optimized for, as it were, road riding on dirt, often sandy. I'll appreciate any technical or otherwise practical suggestions about tubing, sizing, build, geometry, braze-ons, and what have you. Bring it on! Thanks. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
one reason I'd never have Soulcraft build a bike for me. I don't want a bike that rides like he likes... I want a bike that rides like I like. His Dirt Bombs max out out at 45 mm tires anyway.. so Patrick is out of luck. My Bantam is my version, more road bike than Soulcraft's Dirtbomb. He has built the Holy Roller model with dropbars and which will fit 55's with canti's so that is another option. I know a few people that have one. ~mike Carlsbad On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 10:54:36 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote: Here's one more option you might look at. Patrick. The Dirt Bomb by Soulcraft. http://www.soulcraftbikes.com/frames.php?frame_id=7 One of, if not *the* first semi-standard bike of this type available, outside of Rivendell. Semi-standard because they're built-to-order to your own personal measurements, rather than pre-built and sitting on a shelf. Not exactly custom either because, from what I understand, Shawn still insists on defining the rest of the geometry and tubing specs himself - not unlike the process you might get with a custom Rivendell. Lots of available options though, INCLUDING disc brakes at no extra cost, and rack-mounts galore. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
What are the points of divergence between the way you like a bike to ride and the way Soulcraft likes a bike to ride? I most like the way my Quickbeam rides, so I'm interested if the ride of a Soulcraft is somehow very different. I'd go ride one, but I'm not in the market to buy one, so I don't want to waste anyone's time. Maybe I'll do it anyway. Philip www.biketinker.com On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 4:44:25 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: one reason I'd never have Soulcraft build a bike for me. I don't want a bike that rides like he likes... I want a bike that rides like I like. His Dirt Bombs max out out at 45 mm tires anyway.. so Patrick is out of luck. My Bantam is my version, more road bike than Soulcraft's Dirtbomb. He has built the Holy Roller model with dropbars and which will fit 55's with canti's so that is another option. I know a few people that have one. ~mike Carlsbad On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 10:54:36 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote: Here's one more option you might look at. Patrick. The Dirt Bomb by Soulcraft. http://www.soulcraftbikes.com/frames.php?frame_id=7 One of, if not *the* first semi-standard bike of this type available, outside of Rivendell. Semi-standard because they're built-to-order to your own personal measurements, rather than pre-built and sitting on a shelf. Not exactly custom either because, from what I understand, Shawn still insists on defining the rest of the geometry and tubing specs himself - not unlike the process you might get with a custom Rivendell. Lots of available options though, INCLUDING disc brakes at no extra cost, and rack-mounts galore. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
I really don't want to learn whether a Jones Plus could work with a Rohloff and belt drive. I don't want to know this. On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Mike Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, The thing about the ride of the Jones Plus on the road is that it really is like a limousine. . . the extra long wheelbase smooths out everything. Even though it has a very long wheelbase, the bike still feels very responsive with the high (76 mm) rake on the fork, and I feel that it turns very tightly in singletrack that I ride, in addition to very stable, responsive handling under more normal road conditions as well. I've mostly been riding it with 29+ tires (Chupacabras) which definitely handle differently than what you'd likely be using, but to me the bike is very lively and stable and just great. I can't really describe the difference, but there's a whole different feeling and orientation to the bike when I'm on my Jones vs. my Sam. The Jones feels much more like an extension of my body and natural, whereas the Rivendell now feels like a forced and less comfortable position. I also think I have better power delivery in the more laid back stance the Jones geometry has me in, it just feels better on the body. With something like Super Motos on (run tubeless!), I think the Jones Plus would make for a very relaxed but zippy cruiser type bike, and you could also switch to plus tires for next level traction. However, I think the Plus, as is, is so versatile and perfect for whatever you could throw at it in the realm of dirt riding, bikepacking and mountain biking. I was blown away by how wide open the Jones felt with Super Motos on, like at least as fast as my Sam and probably as fast as my stripped down Quickbeam in a favorable grade. Jeff Jones has worked out some crazy freaking magic in making this bike do everything perfectly, and it's so easy to get a great fit. I really recommend speaking with Jeff to work it all out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Oh man Mike those bikes are the bomb! The Mathews I find especially drool worthy. I want a build like that in the worst way. So disappointed that I can't get a fatter tire like a Quasi Moto to squeeze between the chainstays of my Rawland Stag. If you ever want to sell ... ;-) Cheers Jayme On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 11:26:17 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote: Yea.. sounds like you want a custom... but 29er wheels 65mm wide. on a road type bike... I see problems.. wide Q factor, toe overlap issues. I've tried this and couldn't make it work. I ended up with 700x46 max to make it work. My 58cm Bantam https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/16715645353/in/dateposted-public/ My 59 cm Matthews is 650B and will fit 54 mm wide tires with low Q and no toe overlap on my size 46 shoes. https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/13227807945/in/album-72157634847568447/ So you either go MTB geometry like a Fargo but lighter tubing or maybe a roadish 650B with 60mm tires. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Bruce Gordon monster cross: http://www.bgcycles.com/new-page-18-1/ Rick Hunter did a very cool adventure touring bike: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
It's in ss mode in that photo but it does have a derailer hanger. jim m wc ca On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 12:10:22 PM UTC-7, Kurt Henry wrote: Jim, is that a singlespeed, or an internal gear hub with a shifter that I'm missing somewhere? Kurt Henry Lancaster, PA On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 2:52:30 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote: Bruce Gordon monster cross: http://www.bgcycles.com/new-page-18-1/ Rick Hunter did a very cool adventure touring bike: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Thanks for all the replies. As I recall one of my nephews, then 4 years old, saying when I took him to KMart's toy department and said, Choose 1: So many choices! I'll read y'all's posts in detail at my leisure. I don't want a touring bike or fat bike or a Salsa, thanks; I basically want a nice road bike with relaxed geometry (for a road bike) and gentler tubing that can take 65s + fenders + air -- as much as this can be accommodated. And it has to have 700C wheels and disk brakes, so that rules out a number of suggestions. I'll look more closely at the Jones and the Hunter ss. Keep 'em coming! Even if I don't want a Komorebi or NFD, they are very interesting to read about. Question for you Jones owners: How does it handle and perform on pavement as (in the technical sense of the term) a Sports Tourer, like the Sequoia and ilk? And can it be used with drop bars? I've used very many different kinds of bars, and my left hand is comfortable only with more or less traditional drop bars. Frankly, one (among several) ideas I have for this theoretical bike is my erstwhile '73 Motobecane Grand Record with room for said tires/fenders. On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 4:21 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I am thinking that, God willing, I will have a custom frame built for local dirt-cum-pavement rides. Our bosque is so nice, winter and summer, and living within a good spit of it, and not having to commute to an office, means that I have much more opportunity for bosque miles now than I did a few years ago. I have a Fargo very nicely dialed in and very nicely set up for this sort of riding, but the handling is less than best, and the tubing is excessively stout. My next door neighbor rides a Jamis carbon fiber cyclocross bike along the same trails, though in dry summer when the sand gets deep, he uses a CF mountain bike. I think I want something that is, basically, a sedate road bike with room for 65s and fenders, plus a rear rack for occasional grocery loads. Perhaps a front rack, too, if the geometry requires more even spreading of the load. Gearing would be wide-spaced subcompact with close ratio rear, tho' with the choice of running a triple and wide range. (I think of building the bike up with the Dura Ace 7410 f and r derailleurs left over from the Ram, just 'cause.) Use would be largely what many of you would call short distance riding, but energetic riding, using drop bars and a position just a bit more relaxed than on the road bikes. But I'd like the bike to be capable of longer rides, and that laden, should such occasion arise. Laden will mean panniers. Disk brakes and 29er wheels are musts. The Jones sound wonderful, but I want mine to be optimized for, as it were, road riding on dirt, often sandy. I'll appreciate any technical or otherwise practical suggestions about tubing, sizing, build, geometry, braze-ons, and what have you. Bring it on! Thanks. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Atlantis or Hunq. It's that simple. Or maybe... the new Clem. Though the wheelbase is kinda long. Before I civilized my Atlantis (with racks, fenders, and pitlocks for the urban jungle) I rode it free for a while. Imagine... an Atlantis stripped down, nothing on it except stout wheels with bullet proof tires... It's a great thing. Really. On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 5:21:38 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: I am thinking that, God willing, I will have a custom frame built for local dirt-cum-pavement rides. Our bosque is so nice, winter and summer, and living within a good spit of it, and not having to commute to an office, means that I have much more opportunity for bosque miles now than I did a few years ago. I have a Fargo very nicely dialed in and very nicely set up for this sort of riding, but the handling is less than best, and the tubing is excessively stout. My next door neighbor rides a Jamis carbon fiber cyclocross bike along the same trails, though in dry summer when the sand gets deep, he uses a CF mountain bike. I think I want something that is, basically, a sedate road bike with room for 65s and fenders, plus a rear rack for occasional grocery loads. Perhaps a front rack, too, if the geometry requires more even spreading of the load. Gearing would be wide-spaced subcompact with close ratio rear, tho' with the choice of running a triple and wide range. (I think of building the bike up with the Dura Ace 7410 f and r derailleurs left over from the Ram, just 'cause.) Use would be largely what many of you would call short distance riding, but energetic riding, using drop bars and a position just a bit more relaxed than on the road bikes. But I'd like the bike to be capable of longer rides, and that laden, should such occasion arise. Laden will mean panniers. Disk brakes and 29er wheels are musts. The Jones sound wonderful, but I want mine to be optimized for, as it were, road riding on dirt, often sandy. I'll appreciate any technical or otherwise practical suggestions about tubing, sizing, build, geometry, braze-ons, and what have you. Bring it on! Thanks. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Discs, non-stout tube set, mega 29er wheels and rack provisions? Sounds like you need a straight-up custom, Patrick. I'm sure there are quite a few builders that could handle this. KJ On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 6:21:38 AM UTC-4, bertin753 wrote: I am thinking that, God willing, I will have a custom frame built for local dirt-cum-pavement rides. Our bosque is so nice, winter and summer, and living within a good spit of it, and not having to commute to an office, means that I have much more opportunity for bosque miles now than I did a few years ago. I have a Fargo very nicely dialed in and very nicely set up for this sort of riding, but the handling is less than best, and the tubing is excessively stout. My next door neighbor rides a Jamis carbon fiber cyclocross bike along the same trails, though in dry summer when the sand gets deep, he uses a CF mountain bike. I think I want something that is, basically, a sedate road bike with room for 65s and fenders, plus a rear rack for occasional grocery loads. Perhaps a front rack, too, if the geometry requires more even spreading of the load. Gearing would be wide-spaced subcompact with close ratio rear, tho' with the choice of running a triple and wide range. (I think of building the bike up with the Dura Ace 7410 f and r derailleurs left over from the Ram, just 'cause.) Use would be largely what many of you would call short distance riding, but energetic riding, using drop bars and a position just a bit more relaxed than on the road bikes. But I'd like the bike to be capable of longer rides, and that laden, should such occasion arise. Laden will mean panniers. Disk brakes and 29er wheels are musts. The Jones sound wonderful, but I want mine to be optimized for, as it were, road riding on dirt, often sandy. I'll appreciate any technical or otherwise practical suggestions about tubing, sizing, build, geometry, braze-ons, and what have you. Bring it on! Thanks. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
The OP does insist on disc brakes, so no Rivendells for this purpose, unfortunately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Yea.. sounds like you want a custom... but 29er wheels 65mm wide. on a road type bike... I see problems.. wide Q factor, toe overlap issues. I've tried this and couldn't make it work. I ended up with 700x46 max to make it work. My 58cm Bantam https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/16715645353/in/dateposted-public/ My 59 cm Matthews is 650B and will fit 54 mm wide tires with low Q and no toe overlap on my size 46 shoes. https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/13227807945/in/album-72157634847568447/ So you either go MTB geometry like a Fargo but lighter tubing or maybe a roadish 650B with 60mm tires. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Patrick, The thing about the ride of the Jones Plus on the road is that it really is like a limousine. . . the extra long wheelbase smooths out everything. Even though it has a very long wheelbase, the bike still feels very responsive with the high (76 mm) rake on the fork, and I feel that it turns very tightly in singletrack that I ride, in addition to very stable, responsive handling under more normal road conditions as well. I've mostly been riding it with 29+ tires (Chupacabras) which definitely handle differently than what you'd likely be using, but to me the bike is very lively and stable and just great. I can't really describe the difference, but there's a whole different feeling and orientation to the bike when I'm on my Jones vs. my Sam. The Jones feels much more like an extension of my body and natural, whereas the Rivendell now feels like a forced and less comfortable position. I also think I have better power delivery in the more laid back stance the Jones geometry has me in, it just feels better on the body. With something like Super Motos on (run tubeless!), I think the Jones Plus would make for a very relaxed but zippy cruiser type bike, and you could also switch to plus tires for next level traction. However, I think the Plus, as is, is so versatile and perfect for whatever you could throw at it in the realm of dirt riding, bikepacking and mountain biking. I was blown away by how wide open the Jones felt with Super Motos on, like at least as fast as my Sam and probably as fast as my stripped down Quickbeam in a favorable grade. Jeff Jones has worked out some crazy freaking magic in making this bike do everything perfectly, and it's so easy to get a great fit. I really recommend speaking with Jeff to work it all out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice and suggestions for custom dirt/pavement allrounder?
Elephant NFE seems like a great base as well. On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 6:21:38 AM UTC-4, bertin753 wrote: I am thinking that, God willing, I will have a custom frame built for local dirt-cum-pavement rides. Our bosque is so nice, winter and summer, and living within a good spit of it, and not having to commute to an office, means that I have much more opportunity for bosque miles now than I did a few years ago. I have a Fargo very nicely dialed in and very nicely set up for this sort of riding, but the handling is less than best, and the tubing is excessively stout. My next door neighbor rides a Jamis carbon fiber cyclocross bike along the same trails, though in dry summer when the sand gets deep, he uses a CF mountain bike. I think I want something that is, basically, a sedate road bike with room for 65s and fenders, plus a rear rack for occasional grocery loads. Perhaps a front rack, too, if the geometry requires more even spreading of the load. Gearing would be wide-spaced subcompact with close ratio rear, tho' with the choice of running a triple and wide range. (I think of building the bike up with the Dura Ace 7410 f and r derailleurs left over from the Ram, just 'cause.) Use would be largely what many of you would call short distance riding, but energetic riding, using drop bars and a position just a bit more relaxed than on the road bikes. But I'd like the bike to be capable of longer rides, and that laden, should such occasion arise. Laden will mean panniers. Disk brakes and 29er wheels are musts. The Jones sound wonderful, but I want mine to be optimized for, as it were, road riding on dirt, often sandy. I'll appreciate any technical or otherwise practical suggestions about tubing, sizing, build, geometry, braze-ons, and what have you. Bring it on! Thanks. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
