Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[藍俊彪]

September 13, 2023 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kushan - that's right no room for my legs or knees! My flat bar hybrid
>>>> bike provides the most clearance given it's long top tube but it was still
>>>> uncomfortable. Mountain bikes with very long top tubes may do better.
>>>>
>>>> Smitty
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:26:40 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Smitty -
>>>>>
>>>>> May I ask what didn't work about the front seat set up? Was it leg
>>>>> clearance for yourself? Being able to steer (as someone else pointed out
>>>>> earlier). The set up videos of these seats make it look so easy to set up
>>>>> and ride, so I am wondering if there is something specific (like size of
>>>>> frame, presence of horizontal top tub etc) that makes it difficult to use
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't spent much time on a bakfiet/cargo bike but they look so fun
>>>>> and functional.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:19:23 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not too much to add other than I tried a front mounted seat at about
>>>>>> 9-10 months given that my kid was strong enough to hold their head up 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> a helmet. The top tube + baby seat wasn't functional on any of my 3 
>>>>>> bikes.
>>>>>> It didn't matter either way because the kid hated the bike helmet. I 
>>>>>> waited
>>>>>> another 4 or 5 months till the next spring and went with a rear mounted
>>>>>> bike seat, which the kid enjoyed. Been doing daily 9 mile round trip
>>>>>> daycare pick-ups and here is a photo of the very last one before they
>>>>>> started pre-school. Also just took them in for their 3 year check up and
>>>>>> they are now 40 pounds, right at the weight limit for the Yepp Maxi seat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a 2nd due in January and I'm trying to figure out if it's
>>>>>> worth it to get a box bike and adapt it to hold a baby in a car seat or 
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> I should just give up on my dreams of getting the baby on the bike for 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> first year. DC is about to pass a $1000 rebate for cargo e-bikes 
>>>>>> purchased
>>>>>> in the city so I've been eying my choice of future baby hauling machine. 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> imagine I'll wind up with a long tail but I need to do a lot of test 
>>>>>> rides
>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smitty in DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:08:49 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've had my little dude on the back of the bike since he was 1. He
>>>>>>> loves it. First I used my Sam but now I use my Karate Monkey. Its better
>>>>>>> for the job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4
>>>>>>> ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very
>>>>>>>> conservative but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they 
>>>>>>>> grew
>>>>>>>> out of it the trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever 
>>>>>>>> hauler
>>>>>>>> it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great
>>>>>>>> grandchildren
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>> on behalf of Ted W 
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2023 7:21:53 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Kushan]

23 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not too much to add other than I tried a front mounted seat at about 
>>>>> 9-10 months given that my kid was strong enough to hold their head up 
>>>>> with 
>>>>> a helmet. The top tube + baby seat wasn't functional on any of my 3 
>>>>> bikes. 
>>>>> It didn't matter either way because the kid hated the bike helmet. I 
>>>>> waited 
>>>>> another 4 or 5 months till the next spring and went with a rear mounted 
>>>>> bike seat, which the kid enjoyed. Been doing daily 9 mile round trip 
>>>>> daycare pick-ups and here is a photo of the very last one before they 
>>>>> started pre-school. Also just took them in for their 3 year check up and 
>>>>> they are now 40 pounds, right at the weight limit for the Yepp Maxi seat.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a 2nd due in January and I'm trying to figure out if it's 
>>>>> worth it to get a box bike and adapt it to hold a baby in a car seat or 
>>>>> if 
>>>>> I should just give up on my dreams of getting the baby on the bike for 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> first year. DC is about to pass a $1000 rebate for cargo e-bikes 
>>>>> purchased 
>>>>> in the city so I've been eying my choice of future baby hauling machine. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> imagine I'll wind up with a long tail but I need to do a lot of test 
>>>>> rides 
>>>>> first.
>>>>>
>>>>> Smitty in DC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:08:49 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've had my little dude on the back of the bike since he was 1. He 
>>>>>> loves it. First I used my Sam but now I use my Karate Monkey. Its better 
>>>>>> for the job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4 
>>>>>> ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very 
>>>>>>> conservative but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they 
>>>>>>> grew 
>>>>>>> out of it the trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever 
>>>>>>> hauler
>>>>>>> it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great 
>>>>>>> grandchildren
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
>>>>>>> on behalf of Ted W 
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2023 7:21:53 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some 
>>>>>>> with these and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been 
>>>>>>> considering a 
>>>>>>> cargo bike but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky 
>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>> park. I already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office 
>>>>>>> elevator 
>>>>>>> when I ride it to work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but 
>>>>>>>I would highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a 
>>>>>>> Burley 
>>>>>>>Bee.  The trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and 
>>>>>>> didn't 
>>>>>>>effect the bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in 
>>>>>>> on a 20 
>>>>>>>mile 3 playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he 

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Piaw Na]

I definitely think that too few parents consider tandems/triplets for their 
kids. I have a custom kidback built by the late Peter Johnson and my kids 
rode them a lot when they were small. Here's what they looked like when 
they were 4 and 7 riding in Switzerland: 

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WoGpbwSHABs/XSHtSl9rWQI/AAAE7y4/DQlYnVWKC845Ako73oKKfMFopttW1sdFACKgBGAs/s1600/IMG_20190615_131810.jpg

The 4 year old would fall asleep in the middle of the afternoon and we'd 
have to take a nap break for him, but those days go by fast and today he's 
8 and speeding to school on his Woom 5 and his mom cannot keep up with him 
without turning on the ebike motor. In preschool he was one of the first 
kids to learn to ride a bike with pedals and no training wheels. He showed 
up for the school's bike race and from way back lapped the field twice. We 
sold a lot of Woom 2s that day. :-)

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:23:28 AM UTC-7 josh.zi...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Kickbacks are the best!!!
>
> If you have the room for one setting up a tandem like the one in picture 
> is 100% the most fun way to ride with a kid (not a baby).  Really engaging 
> and bonding style to go about!
>
> Sheldon Brown and some tandem outfitter site (name escapes me) had tons of 
> great information!
>
> Kidback to crankarm shortness to regular ol tandem is the process.
>
> Josh Z
> Oregon
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 8:23 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Y'all, 
>>
>> Dewey kids started riding bikes shortly after they were born. Kid #2, our 
>> son, had his first bike ride at 6 weeks in a little baby 'backpack carrier' 
>> along some gravel roads in Northern Minnesota in 1981. When he was 2 years 
>> old he 'graduated' (got bumped up) to the back of our good ol' Santana 
>> tandem and at age 3 he finished a half-century. Both kids had completed 
>> centurys by their 3rd birthdays. In 1996, we rode same tandem from Seattle 
>> to Thief River Falls, MN, mostly along tiny Canadian backroads. Purist 
>> magic!
>>
>> And 42 years later now, we are still riding together...the best riding 
>> pal I've ever had. And so grateful for it.
>>
>> [image: JD & TJD.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 8:31 PM Michael Baquerizo  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your 
>>> area. 
>>>
>>> i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a 
>>> yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after 
>>> he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front 
>>> with me. 
>>>
>>> fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his 
>>> bike w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there 
>>> wasn’t even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure 
>>> there’s an ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is 
>>> not it  
>>>
>>> i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not 
>>> rated for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something 
>>> beefier. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>>
 Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes 
 with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc 
 did you use? Where did you ride? 

 My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce 
 him to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers 
 (both facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a 
 ride with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. 
 Most 
 online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
 not sure if that's based on any actual research. 

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[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Chung Eun Kim]

I'm almost ready to get A Homer Hilsen and planning to use it as a baby 
hauling bike.
Has anyone tried using the frame mounted child seat in the rear or the stem 
mounted child seat?
I wonder if there's any concern with frame mounted seat compared to rack 
mounted seat.

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:45:41 PM UTC-7 bei...@gmail.com wrote:

> John Dewey, that is inspiring stuff! Thanks for sharing the story and 
> photo. My 11month old just went for her first ride in the burley trailer 
> today behind the Platypus. She’s been jogging with us before in it, and 
> worn her helmet around the house. Bounced around a bit more than I’d have 
> liked, but a safe and happy start!
> [image: IMG_4465.jpeg]
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 2:00:37 PM UTC-6 David Pulsipher wrote:
>
>> I started as soon as they could hold their head up to have a helmet on, 
>> so typically about 5-6 months.
>>
>> Using a DIY kid seat adapter on my Surly Big Dummy - raving success with 
>> all four of my children.
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Crs5-qwuVxl/
>>
>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 8:58:35 PM UTC-6 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes 
>>> with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc 
>>> did you use? Where did you ride? 
>>>
>>> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
>>> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
>>> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
>>> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
>>> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
>>> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Jesse Dubus]

t;>>> We have a 2nd due in January and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth 
>>>> it to get a box bike and adapt it to hold a baby in a car seat or if I 
>>>> should just give up on my dreams of getting the baby on the bike for the 
>>>> first year. DC is about to pass a $1000 rebate for cargo e-bikes purchased 
>>>> in the city so I've been eying my choice of future baby hauling machine. I 
>>>> imagine I'll wind up with a long tail but I need to do a lot of test rides 
>>>> first.
>>>>
>>>> Smitty in DC
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:08:49 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've had my little dude on the back of the bike since he was 1. He 
>>>>> loves it. First I used my Sam but now I use my Karate Monkey. Its better 
>>>>> for the job.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4 
>>>>> ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very 
>>>>>> conservative but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they 
>>>>>> grew 
>>>>>> out of it the trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever 
>>>>>> hauler
>>>>>> it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great 
>>>>>> grandchildren
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
>>>>>> on behalf of Ted W 
>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2023 7:21:53 AM
>>>>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with 
>>>>>> these and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a 
>>>>>> cargo 
>>>>>> bike but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to 
>>>>>> park. I 
>>>>>> already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> ride it to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I 
>>>>>>would highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley 
>>>>>> Bee.  
>>>>>>The trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't 
>>>>>> effect the 
>>>>>>bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 
>>>>>> 3 
>>>>>>playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it 
>>>>>>gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the plastic 
>>>>>> cover from 
>>>>>>cold and rain.  We went out in all weather, including out in the snow 
>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>studded tires.
>>>>>>- We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long 
>>>>>>rides, as it's less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up 
>>>>>> when we 
>>>>>>get there".  The back deck is better for standing up and surfing on 
>>>>>>though.  I have installed Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule 
>>>>>> kids seat since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around 
>>>>>> with mounting his car seat base to the metal frame of one of those 
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Frakern]

I had the Yepp Mini on the front of my Cheviot from when my son was around 
1 year to 2.5 years old and even with albatross bars on it with bar end 
shifters I didn't have a problem with legs or steering.



On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:05:10 PM UTC+9 pbsm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Kushan - that's right no room for my legs or knees! My flat bar hybrid 
> bike provides the most clearance given it's long top tube but it was still 
> uncomfortable. Mountain bikes with very long top tubes may do better. 
>
> Smitty
>
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:26:40 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Smitty - 
>>
>> May I ask what didn't work about the front seat set up? Was it leg 
>> clearance for yourself? Being able to steer (as someone else pointed out 
>> earlier). The set up videos of these seats make it look so easy to set up 
>> and ride, so I am wondering if there is something specific (like size of 
>> frame, presence of horizontal top tub etc) that makes it difficult to use 
>> them. 
>>
>> I haven't spent much time on a bakfiet/cargo bike but they look so fun 
>> and functional.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:19:23 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not too much to add other than I tried a front mounted seat at about 
>>> 9-10 months given that my kid was strong enough to hold their head up with 
>>> a helmet. The top tube + baby seat wasn't functional on any of my 3 bikes. 
>>> It didn't matter either way because the kid hated the bike helmet. I waited 
>>> another 4 or 5 months till the next spring and went with a rear mounted 
>>> bike seat, which the kid enjoyed. Been doing daily 9 mile round trip 
>>> daycare pick-ups and here is a photo of the very last one before they 
>>> started pre-school. Also just took them in for their 3 year check up and 
>>> they are now 40 pounds, right at the weight limit for the Yepp Maxi seat.
>>>
>>> We have a 2nd due in January and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth 
>>> it to get a box bike and adapt it to hold a baby in a car seat or if I 
>>> should just give up on my dreams of getting the baby on the bike for the 
>>> first year. DC is about to pass a $1000 rebate for cargo e-bikes purchased 
>>> in the city so I've been eying my choice of future baby hauling machine. I 
>>> imagine I'll wind up with a long tail but I need to do a lot of test rides 
>>> first.
>>>
>>> Smitty in DC
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:08:49 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've had my little dude on the back of the bike since he was 1. He 
>>>> loves it. First I used my Sam but now I use my Karate Monkey. Its better 
>>>> for the job.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4 
>>>> ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very 
>>>>> conservative but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they 
>>>>> grew 
>>>>> out of it the trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever hauler
>>>>> it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great 
>>>>> grandchildren
>>>>>
>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
>>>>> on behalf of Ted W 
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2023 7:21:53 AM
>>>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes 
>>>>>  
>>>>> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with 
>>>>> these and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a 
>>>>> cargo 
>>>>> bike but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I 
>>>>> ride it to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>- I didn't get back into riding till my 

[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[David Pulsipher]

I started as soon as they could hold their head up to have a helmet on, so 
typically about 5-6 months.

Using a DIY kid seat adapter on my Surly Big Dummy - raving success with 
all four of my children.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Crs5-qwuVxl/

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 8:58:35 PM UTC-6 Kushan wrote:

> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did 
> you use? Where did you ride? 
>
> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Will Boericke]

Trailer for me when my kids were small.  Don't like that unpredictable 
weight up high and they grow fast, so any up top solution is very 
impermanent.  They'll be towing me around soon :)

Will

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Kushan - that's right no room for my legs or knees! My flat bar hybrid 
> bike provides the most clearance given it's long top tube but it was still 
> uncomfortable. Mountain bikes with very long top tubes may do better. 
>
> Smitty
>
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:26:40 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Smitty - 
>>
>> May I ask what didn't work about the front seat set up? Was it leg 
>> clearance for yourself? Being able to steer (as someone else pointed out 
>> earlier). The set up videos of these seats make it look so easy to set up 
>> and ride, so I am wondering if there is something specific (like size of 
>> frame, presence of horizontal top tub etc) that makes it difficult to use 
>> them. 
>>
>> I haven't spent much time on a bakfiet/cargo bike but they look so fun 
>> and functional.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:19:23 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not too much to add other than I tried a front mounted seat at about 
>>> 9-10 months given that my kid was strong enough to hold their head up with 
>>> a helmet. The top tube + baby seat wasn't functional on any of my 3 bikes. 
>>> It didn't matter either way because the kid hated the bike helmet. I waited 
>>> another 4 or 5 months till the next spring and went with a rear mounted 
>>> bike seat, which the kid enjoyed. Been doing daily 9 mile round trip 
>>> daycare pick-ups and here is a photo of the very last one before they 
>>> started pre-school. Also just took them in for their 3 year check up and 
>>> they are now 40 pounds, right at the weight limit for the Yepp Maxi seat.
>>>
>>> We have a 2nd due in January and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth 
>>> it to get a box bike and adapt it to hold a baby in a car seat or if I 
>>> should just give up on my dreams of getting the baby on the bike for the 
>>> first year. DC is about to pass a $1000 rebate for cargo e-bikes purchased 
>>> in the city so I've been eying my choice of future baby hauling machine. I 
>>> imagine I'll wind up with a long tail but I need to do a lot of test rides 
>>> first.
>>>
>>> Smitty in DC
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:08:49 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've had my little dude on the back of the bike since he was 1. He 
>>>> loves it. First I used my Sam but now I use my Karate Monkey. Its better 
>>>> for the job.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4 
>>>> ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very 
>>>>> conservative but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they 
>>>>> grew 
>>>>> out of it the trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever hauler
>>>>> it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great 
>>>>> grandchildren
>>>>>
>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
>>>>> on behalf of Ted W 
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2023 7:21:53 AM
>>>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes 
>>>>>  
>>>>> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with 
>>>>> these and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a 
>>>>> cargo 
>>>>> bike but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I 
>>>>> ride it to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was 

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Pat Smith]

Kushan - that's right no room for my legs or knees! My flat bar hybrid bike 
provides the most clearance given it's long top tube but it was still 
uncomfortable. Mountain bikes with very long top tubes may do better. 

Smitty

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:26:40 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Smitty - 
>
> May I ask what didn't work about the front seat set up? Was it leg 
> clearance for yourself? Being able to steer (as someone else pointed out 
> earlier). The set up videos of these seats make it look so easy to set up 
> and ride, so I am wondering if there is something specific (like size of 
> frame, presence of horizontal top tub etc) that makes it difficult to use 
> them. 
>
> I haven't spent much time on a bakfiet/cargo bike but they look so fun and 
> functional.
>
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:19:23 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Not too much to add other than I tried a front mounted seat at about 9-10 
>> months given that my kid was strong enough to hold their head up with a 
>> helmet. The top tube + baby seat wasn't functional on any of my 3 bikes. It 
>> didn't matter either way because the kid hated the bike helmet. I waited 
>> another 4 or 5 months till the next spring and went with a rear mounted 
>> bike seat, which the kid enjoyed. Been doing daily 9 mile round trip 
>> daycare pick-ups and here is a photo of the very last one before they 
>> started pre-school. Also just took them in for their 3 year check up and 
>> they are now 40 pounds, right at the weight limit for the Yepp Maxi seat.
>>
>> We have a 2nd due in January and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth 
>> it to get a box bike and adapt it to hold a baby in a car seat or if I 
>> should just give up on my dreams of getting the baby on the bike for the 
>> first year. DC is about to pass a $1000 rebate for cargo e-bikes purchased 
>> in the city so I've been eying my choice of future baby hauling machine. I 
>> imagine I'll wind up with a long tail but I need to do a lot of test rides 
>> first.
>>
>> Smitty in DC
>>
>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:08:49 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>
>>> I've had my little dude on the back of the bike since he was 1. He loves 
>>> it. First I used my Sam but now I use my Karate Monkey. Its better for the 
>>> job.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4 
>>> ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very 
>>>> conservative but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they 
>>>> grew 
>>>> out of it the trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever hauler
>>>> it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great 
>>>> grandchildren
>>>>
>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>> --
>>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
>>>> behalf of Ted W 
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2023 7:21:53 AM
>>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes 
>>>>  
>>>> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>>>>
>>>> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with 
>>>> these and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a 
>>>> cargo 
>>>> bike but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. 
>>>> I 
>>>> already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I 
>>>> ride it to work.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I 
>>>>would highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley 
>>>> Bee.  
>>>>The trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect 
>>>> the 
>>>>bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3 
>>>>playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.   
>>>>  
>>>>The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it 
>>>>gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the pla

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Re: Helmets

Back when my son was about 2 yrs old, about 16 years ago, there were only
kids helmets that were pointy in front and pointy in back, so when he sat
in a trailer, his head would be forced forward and he couldn't rest his
head in the back.  Understandably, he hated the helmet and one ride, he
decided he had enough and managed to take the helmet off and shove it out
of the meshed enclosure out the front of the trailer and onto the street.

Luckily just around that time, the first kid helmets with a flat back were
sold, and thereafter he was able to lie back in the trailer and didn't mind
helmets (that were comfortable).

Toshi in Oakland, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Michael Baquerizo]

RE helmets, they tell you to get your kid in a helmet at home so that they 
get used to it. Or just leave it out for them to play with. 

We got lucky that ours never had beef with one, 4 years now and still 
mostly doesnt have an issue putting one on.

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:26:40 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Smitty - 
>
> May I ask what didn't work about the front seat set up? Was it leg 
> clearance for yourself? Being able to steer (as someone else pointed out 
> earlier). The set up videos of these seats make it look so easy to set up 
> and ride, so I am wondering if there is something specific (like size of 
> frame, presence of horizontal top tub etc) that makes it difficult to use 
> them. 
>
> I haven't spent much time on a bakfiet/cargo bike but they look so fun and 
> functional.
>
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:19:23 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Not too much to add other than I tried a front mounted seat at about 9-10 
>> months given that my kid was strong enough to hold their head up with a 
>> helmet. The top tube + baby seat wasn't functional on any of my 3 bikes. It 
>> didn't matter either way because the kid hated the bike helmet. I waited 
>> another 4 or 5 months till the next spring and went with a rear mounted 
>> bike seat, which the kid enjoyed. Been doing daily 9 mile round trip 
>> daycare pick-ups and here is a photo of the very last one before they 
>> started pre-school. Also just took them in for their 3 year check up and 
>> they are now 40 pounds, right at the weight limit for the Yepp Maxi seat.
>>
>> We have a 2nd due in January and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth 
>> it to get a box bike and adapt it to hold a baby in a car seat or if I 
>> should just give up on my dreams of getting the baby on the bike for the 
>> first year. DC is about to pass a $1000 rebate for cargo e-bikes purchased 
>> in the city so I've been eying my choice of future baby hauling machine. I 
>> imagine I'll wind up with a long tail but I need to do a lot of test rides 
>> first.
>>
>> Smitty in DC
>>
>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:08:49 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>
>>> I've had my little dude on the back of the bike since he was 1. He loves 
>>> it. First I used my Sam but now I use my Karate Monkey. Its better for the 
>>> job.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4 
>>> ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very 
>>>> conservative but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they 
>>>> grew 
>>>> out of it the trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever hauler
>>>> it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great 
>>>> grandchildren
>>>>
>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>> --
>>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
>>>> behalf of Ted W 
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2023 7:21:53 AM
>>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes 
>>>>  
>>>> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>>>>
>>>> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with 
>>>> these and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a 
>>>> cargo 
>>>> bike but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. 
>>>> I 
>>>> already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I 
>>>> ride it to work.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I 
>>>>would highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley 
>>>> Bee.  
>>>>The trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect 
>>>> the 
>>>>bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3 
>>>>playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.   
>>>>  
>>>>The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it 
>>>>gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an 

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Kushan]

Smitty - 

May I ask what didn't work about the front seat set up? Was it leg 
clearance for yourself? Being able to steer (as someone else pointed out 
earlier). The set up videos of these seats make it look so easy to set up 
and ride, so I am wondering if there is something specific (like size of 
frame, presence of horizontal top tub etc) that makes it difficult to use 
them. 

I haven't spent much time on a bakfiet/cargo bike but they look so fun and 
functional.

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:19:23 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not too much to add other than I tried a front mounted seat at about 9-10 
> months given that my kid was strong enough to hold their head up with a 
> helmet. The top tube + baby seat wasn't functional on any of my 3 bikes. It 
> didn't matter either way because the kid hated the bike helmet. I waited 
> another 4 or 5 months till the next spring and went with a rear mounted 
> bike seat, which the kid enjoyed. Been doing daily 9 mile round trip 
> daycare pick-ups and here is a photo of the very last one before they 
> started pre-school. Also just took them in for their 3 year check up and 
> they are now 40 pounds, right at the weight limit for the Yepp Maxi seat.
>
> We have a 2nd due in January and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it 
> to get a box bike and adapt it to hold a baby in a car seat or if I should 
> just give up on my dreams of getting the baby on the bike for the first 
> year. DC is about to pass a $1000 rebate for cargo e-bikes purchased in the 
> city so I've been eying my choice of future baby hauling machine. I imagine 
> I'll wind up with a long tail but I need to do a lot of test rides first.
>
> Smitty in DC
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:08:49 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
>> I've had my little dude on the back of the bike since he was 1. He loves 
>> it. First I used my Sam but now I use my Karate Monkey. Its better for the 
>> job.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very 
>>> conservative but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they grew 
>>> out of it the trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever hauler
>>> it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great 
>>> grandchildren
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>> --
>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
>>> behalf of Ted W 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2023 7:21:53 AM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes 
>>>  
>>> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>>>
>>> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with 
>>> these and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a cargo 
>>> bike but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. I 
>>> already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I 
>>> ride it to work.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I 
>>>would highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley 
>>> Bee.  
>>>The trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect 
>>> the 
>>>bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3 
>>>playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.
>>>The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it 
>>>gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover 
>>> from 
>>>cold and rain.  We went out in all weather, including out in the snow 
>>> with 
>>>studded tires.
>>>- We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides, 
>>>as it's less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we get 
>>>there".  The back deck is better for standing up and surfing on though.  
>>> I 
>>>have installed Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My son is about to

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Kushan]

John - that's legendary! 

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 8:23:22 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> Y'all, 
>
> Dewey kids started riding bikes shortly after they were born. Kid #2, our 
> son, had his first bike ride at 6 weeks in a little baby 'backpack carrier' 
> along some gravel roads in Northern Minnesota in 1981. When he was 2 years 
> old he 'graduated' (got bumped up) to the back of our good ol' Santana 
> tandem and at age 3 he finished a half-century. Both kids had completed 
> centurys by their 3rd birthdays. In 1996, we rode same tandem from Seattle 
> to Thief River Falls, MN, mostly along tiny Canadian backroads. Purist 
> magic!
>
> And 42 years later now, we are still riding together...the best riding pal 
> I've ever had. And so grateful for it.
>
> [image: JD & TJD.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 8:31 PM Michael Baquerizo  
> wrote:
>
>> it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your 
>> area. 
>>
>> i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a 
>> yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after 
>> he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front 
>> with me. 
>>
>> fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his bike 
>> w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there wasn’t 
>> even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure there’s an 
>> ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is not it  
>>
>> i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not rated 
>> for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something 
>> beefier. 
>>
>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes 
>>> with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc 
>>> did you use? Where did you ride? 
>>>
>>> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
>>> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
>>> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
>>> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
>>> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
>>> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Alex Wirth]

Sounds like you’re doing it right to me, Smitty!

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 10:19 AM Pat Smith  wrote:

> Not too much to add other than I tried a front mounted seat at about 9-10
> months given that my kid was strong enough to hold their head up with a
> helmet. The top tube + baby seat wasn't functional on any of my 3 bikes. It
> didn't matter either way because the kid hated the bike helmet. I waited
> another 4 or 5 months till the next spring and went with a rear mounted
> bike seat, which the kid enjoyed. Been doing daily 9 mile round trip
> daycare pick-ups and here is a photo of the very last one before they
> started pre-school. Also just took them in for their 3 year check up and
> they are now 40 pounds, right at the weight limit for the Yepp Maxi seat.
>
> We have a 2nd due in January and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it
> to get a box bike and adapt it to hold a baby in a car seat or if I should
> just give up on my dreams of getting the baby on the bike for the first
> year. DC is about to pass a $1000 rebate for cargo e-bikes purchased in the
> city so I've been eying my choice of future baby hauling machine. I imagine
> I'll wind up with a long tail but I need to do a lot of test rides first.
>
> Smitty in DC
>
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:08:49 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
>> I've had my little dude on the back of the bike since he was 1. He loves
>> it. First I used my Sam but now I use my Karate Monkey. Its better for the
>> job.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very
>>> conservative but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they grew
>>> out of it the trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever hauler
>>> it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great
>>> grandchildren
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>> ------
>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on
>>> behalf of Ted W 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2023 7:21:53 AM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes
>>>
>>> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>>>
>>> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with
>>> these and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a cargo
>>> bike but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. I
>>> already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I
>>> ride it to work.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I
>>>would highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley Bee.
>>>The trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect 
>>> the
>>>bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3
>>>playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.
>>>The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it
>>>gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover 
>>> from
>>>cold and rain.  We went out in all weather, including out in the snow 
>>> with
>>>studded tires.
>>>- We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides,
>>>as it's less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we get
>>>there".  The back deck is better for standing up and surfing on though.  
>>> I
>>>have installed Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule
>>> kids seat since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around
>>> with mounting his car seat base to the metal frame of one of those
>>> side-by-side kid trailers. I only ever used it twice, though, before he was
>>> old enough to be in the rear seat.
>>>
>>> You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I
>>> was able to fabricate a mount that let the base mount t

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Davey Two Shoes]

I've had my little dude on the back of the bike since he was 1. He loves 
it. First I used my Sam but now I use my Karate Monkey. Its better for the 
job.

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

> Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very 
> conservative but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they grew 
> out of it the trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever hauler
> it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great 
> grandchildren
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> --
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Ted W 
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2023 7:21:53 AM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes 
>  
> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>
> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with 
> these and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a cargo 
> bike but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. I 
> already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I 
> ride it to work.
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I 
>would highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley Bee.  
>The trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect the 
>bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3 
>playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.
>The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it 
>gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover 
> from 
>cold and rain.  We went out in all weather, including out in the snow with 
>studded tires.
>- We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides, as 
>it's less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we get 
>there".  The back deck is better for standing up and surfing on though.  I 
>have installed Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.
>
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule kids 
> seat since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around with 
> mounting his car seat base to the metal frame of one of those side-by-side 
> kid trailers. I only ever used it twice, though, before he was old enough 
> to be in the rear seat.
>
> You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I was 
> able to fabricate a mount that let the base mount the same way it does in 
> the car, allowing the carrier to clip in the same way as it would in the 
> car. Combined with the “roll cage” design of the trailer, I felt 
> comfortable using it for quick rides to the neighborhood park, less than a 
> mile away.
>
> The conventional wisdom I’ve heard is that you need to wait until they can 
> hold their head up well with their helmet on. That was technically 7 months 
> for us, but I waited until he was a little bigger and the helmet gift him 
> better.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:31 PM Michael Baquerizo  
> wrote:
>
> it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your 
> area.  
>
> i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a 
> yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after 
> he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front 
> with me. 
>
> fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his bike 
> w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there wasn’t 
> even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure there’s an 
> ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is not it  
>
> i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not rated 
> for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something 
> beefier. 
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>
> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did 
> you use? Where did you ride?  
>
> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
> facing in and out). He

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Bernard Duhon]

Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very conservative 
but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they grew out of it the 
trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever hauler
it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great grandchildren

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

> We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides

Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with these and 
it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a cargo bike but I’m 
worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. I already have 
trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I ride it to work.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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wrote:


  *   I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I would 
highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley Bee.  The 
trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect the bikes 
handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3 playground 
tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.The biggest 
advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it gave.  The mesh gover 
protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover from cold and rain.  We went 
out in all weather, including out in the snow with studded tires.
  *   We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides, as it's 
less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we get there".  The 
back deck is better for standing up and surfing on though.  I have installed 
Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 
ted.l...@gmail.com<mailto:ted.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule kids seat 
since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around with mounting his 
car seat base to the metal frame of one of those side-by-side kid trailers. I 
only ever used it twice, though, before he was old enough to be in the rear 
seat.

You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I was able 
to fabricate a mount that let the base mount the same way it does in the car, 
allowing the carrier to clip in the same way as it would in the car. Combined 
with the “roll cage” design of the trailer, I felt comfortable using it for 
quick rides to the neighborhood park, less than a mile away.

The conventional wisdom I’ve heard is that you need to wait until they can hold 
their head up well with their helmet on. That was technically 7 months for us, 
but I waited until he was a little bigger and the helmet gift him better.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:31 PM Michael Baquerizo  wrote:
it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your area.

i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a yepp 
maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after he grew 
out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front with me.

fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his bike w 
swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there wasn’t even a 
kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure there’s an ideal setup 
for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is not it

i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not rated for 
his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something beefier.

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did you 
use? Where did you ride?

My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him to 
bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both facing 
in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride with him on a 
car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most online resources 
recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am not sure if that's 
based on any actual research.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Sally Bidleman]

Love back! And more RNs...my (RN) son is marrying his (RN) girlfriend in 2
weeks...woo-hoo...

Have a great day...I'm putting on my new Crane bell today and going for a
ride:)

Sally

On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 11:25 AM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> If you’re a RivSister who is also a nurse I love you extra! A double
> sisterhood.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Bones  wrote:
>
> For whatever reason I have never considered a trailer. I always assumed
> we could communicate and enjoy the ride better if the kids were on the bike
> with me. I started my oldest at nine months, which was when the tiniest
> helmet I could find would fit her massive head. The front mount seat is the
> best in my opinion. You can interact a lot more and they get to see
> everything you see. Once she outgrew that I moved her to a rear seat, and
> put lil man in the front. Eventually they reached the weight limits and I
> switched over to a cargo bike (Xtracycle Stoker). Now big sis, lil man and
> baby girl all fit on the back. We go everywhere on it. Love it. I was able
> to get rid of a car and I can accommodate all three kids easily.
>
> Bones
>
> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 12:06:31 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>
>> We used a Burley double-wide when our kids were 2 and 3.5...We hooked it
>> to my husband's old Giant mountain bike. Traffic was non-existent or very
>> light since we lived on a small island. The kids liked it because they
>> could bring various stuffed animals, so we could get a long-ish ride in
>> ...When we moved to San Diego, the trailer seemed too wide for the streets
>> so we got a Tag-a-long...it didn't seem as safe and, by that time, the kids
>> wanted to ride their own bikes...so we didn't use it much. (P.S. I'm
>> another nurse...seems like nurses choose Rivendell, ha!)
>>
>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 6:28:45 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for a trailer. One advantage of a trailer is that you can use it with
>>> a bike that is not well suited for a heavy load on the rear rack; and I
>>> agree, they don't change the handling and feel of the bike as much as a big
>>> and high rear-rack weight does. And they allow easier mounting.
>>>
>>> Mine was a "doublewide" and let me combine child hauling with grocery
>>> shopping: my daughter and I would combine bicycle fun with grocery shopping
>>> on Saturday mornings, she on one side, the paper grocery sacks on the
>>> other, usually with a helium balloon or two in our slipstream.
>>>
>>> My tractor was a early-edition Raleigh Technium sports tourer, a tank
>>> with long stays and flexy tubes stuck into gaspipe lugs, but with 32 mm
>>> tires (fat at the time, early '00s) it was very plush. I had it set up with
>>> a 67" fixed gear, just right: low enough to grunt Catie and groceries up
>>> minor hills or pull the doublewide against headwinds, fast enough to keep
>>> up with modest tailwinds.
>>>
>>> You don't need a name brand. I forget what I had; it was decent but not
>>> a Burley or a Thule; Avocet? It worked fine and by the time you get to the
>>> point of experiencing the longevity of an expensive brand your child has
>>> long outgrown it. I did later get a used Burley trail-a-bike but by the
>>> time my daughter was old enough to ride it she was embarrassed to be seen
>>> on it and demanded her own bike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 7:05 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>>>
 A trailer is the safest option. If you go that route I would consider a
 Thule or older Chariot (these can be had very inexpensively). They have
 weight adjustable suspension and you can use an infant sling. The general
 age recommendation is to wait until 12-18 months but we certainly started
 closer to 6 months (My wife and I are both nurse practitioners and got the
 Ok from his pediatrician). It will very from child to child but once they
 are demonstrating strong head and neck control they should be ok in an
 infant sling.

 I personally prefer a Thule Maxi seat on a rack behind me. It’s just
 nice not having to deal with the weight and logistics of a trailer. We only
 just started doing that on our Cargo E bike now that he’s 16 months and
 gets to ride to daycare.

 Eliot

 On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 5:54 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Kushan,
>
> Oh, I so know that excitement you feel about introducing your baby to
> biking. It’s wonderful that you want to share it and it will be such a
> bonding experience between the both of you as he grows up.
>
> Is the plan to put him in a bike seat on your bike? Or in a cargo
> bike? In a car seat inside a cargo bike? I think the last option is the
> only one I could safely recommend, and maybe not even that. I am a nurse,
> and I won’t ever forget the part of our pediatrics training that talked
> about the microtears that can be caused even by bouncing a baby too 

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Leah Peterson]

If you’re a RivSister who is also a nurse I love you extra! A double sisterhood.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 3, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Bones  wrote:For whatever reason I have never considered a trailer. I always assumed we could communicate and enjoy the ride better if the kids were on the bike with me. I started my oldest at nine months, which was when the tiniest helmet I could find would fit her massive head. The front mount seat is the best in my opinion. You can interact a lot more and they get to see everything you see. Once she outgrew that I moved her to a rear seat, and put lil man in the front. Eventually they reached the weight limits and I switched over to a cargo bike (Xtracycle Stoker). Now big sis, lil man and baby girl all fit on the back. We go everywhere on it. Love it. I was able to get rid of a car and I can accommodate all three kids easily.BonesOn Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 12:06:31 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:We used a Burley double-wide when our kids were 2 and 3.5...We hooked it to my husband's old Giant mountain bike. Traffic was non-existent or very light since we lived on a small island. The kids liked it because they could bring various stuffed animals, so we could get a long-ish ride in ...When we moved to San Diego, the trailer seemed too wide for the streets so we got a Tag-a-long...it didn't seem as safe and, by that time, the kids wanted to ride their own bikes...so we didn't use it much. (P.S. I'm another nurse...seems like nurses choose Rivendell, ha!)On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 6:28:45 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:+1 for a trailer. One advantage of a trailer is that you can use it with a bike that is not well suited for a heavy load on the rear rack; and I agree, they don't change the handling and feel of the bike as much as a big and high rear-rack weight does. And they allow easier mounting.Mine was a "doublewide" and let me combine child hauling with grocery shopping: my daughter and I would combine bicycle fun with grocery shopping on Saturday mornings, she on one side, the paper grocery sacks on the other, usually with a helium balloon or two in our slipstream.My tractor was a early-edition Raleigh Technium sports tourer, a tank with long stays and flexy tubes stuck into gaspipe lugs, but with 32 mm tires (fat at the time, early '00s) it was very plush. I had it set up with a 67" fixed gear, just right: low enough to grunt Catie and groceries up minor hills or pull the doublewide against headwinds, fast enough to keep up with modest tailwinds.You don't need a name brand. I forget what I had; it was decent but not a Burley or a Thule; Avocet? It worked fine and by the time you get to the point of experiencing the longevity of an expensive brand your child has long outgrown it. I did later get a used Burley trail-a-bike but by the time my daughter was old enough to ride it she was embarrassed to be seen on it and demanded her own bike.On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 7:05 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:A trailer is the safest option. If you go that route I would consider a Thule or older Chariot (these can be had very inexpensively). They have weight adjustable suspension and you can use an infant sling. The general age recommendation is to wait until 12-18 months but we certainly started closer to 6 months (My wife and I are both nurse practitioners and got the Ok from his pediatrician). It will very from child to child but once they are demonstrating strong head and neck control they should be ok in an infant sling.I personally prefer a Thule Maxi seat on a rack behind me. It’s just nice not having to deal with the weight and logistics of a trailer. We only just started doing that on our Cargo E bike now that he’s 16 months and gets to ride to daycare. EliotOn Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 5:54 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:Hi Kushan,Oh, I so know that excitement you feel about introducing your baby to biking. It’s wonderful that you want to share it and it will be such a bonding experience between the both of you as he grows up.Is the plan to put him in a bike seat on your bike? Or in a cargo bike? In a car seat inside a cargo bike? I think the last option is the only one I could safely recommend, and maybe not even that. I am a nurse, and I won’t ever forget the part of our pediatrics training that talked about the microtears that can be caused even by bouncing a baby too hard. You can damage their little eyes, their brains, and their neck muscles, which really aren’t meant to support much until after one year of age. Now, if a pediatrician happens to be on here and would like to offer advice, I’d love to hear it, but from what I can remember in peds training, it wouldn’t be safe to take baby on a bike seat until next year. I’m sorry!LeahOn Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did you u

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Bones]

For whatever reason I have never considered a trailer. I always assumed we 
could communicate and enjoy the ride better if the kids were on the bike 
with me. I started my oldest at nine months, which was when the tiniest 
helmet I could find would fit her massive head. The front mount seat is the 
best in my opinion. You can interact a lot more and they get to see 
everything you see. Once she outgrew that I moved her to a rear seat, and 
put lil man in the front. Eventually they reached the weight limits and I 
switched over to a cargo bike (Xtracycle Stoker). Now big sis, lil man and 
baby girl all fit on the back. We go everywhere on it. Love it. I was able 
to get rid of a car and I can accommodate all three kids easily.

Bones

On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 12:06:31 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:

> We used a Burley double-wide when our kids were 2 and 3.5...We hooked it 
> to my husband's old Giant mountain bike. Traffic was non-existent or very 
> light since we lived on a small island. The kids liked it because they 
> could bring various stuffed animals, so we could get a long-ish ride in 
> ...When we moved to San Diego, the trailer seemed too wide for the streets 
> so we got a Tag-a-long...it didn't seem as safe and, by that time, the kids 
> wanted to ride their own bikes...so we didn't use it much. (P.S. I'm 
> another nurse...seems like nurses choose Rivendell, ha!)
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 6:28:45 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> +1 for a trailer. One advantage of a trailer is that you can use it with 
>> a bike that is not well suited for a heavy load on the rear rack; and I 
>> agree, they don't change the handling and feel of the bike as much as a big 
>> and high rear-rack weight does. And they allow easier mounting.
>>
>> Mine was a "doublewide" and let me combine child hauling with grocery 
>> shopping: my daughter and I would combine bicycle fun with grocery shopping 
>> on Saturday mornings, she on one side, the paper grocery sacks on the 
>> other, usually with a helium balloon or two in our slipstream.
>>
>> My tractor was a early-edition Raleigh Technium sports tourer, a tank 
>> with long stays and flexy tubes stuck into gaspipe lugs, but with 32 mm 
>> tires (fat at the time, early '00s) it was very plush. I had it set up with 
>> a 67" fixed gear, just right: low enough to grunt Catie and groceries up 
>> minor hills or pull the doublewide against headwinds, fast enough to keep 
>> up with modest tailwinds.
>>
>> You don't need a name brand. I forget what I had; it was decent but not a 
>> Burley or a Thule; Avocet? It worked fine and by the time you get to the 
>> point of experiencing the longevity of an expensive brand your child has 
>> long outgrown it. I did later get a used Burley trail-a-bike but by the 
>> time my daughter was old enough to ride it she was embarrassed to be seen 
>> on it and demanded her own bike.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 7:05 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>>
>>> A trailer is the safest option. If you go that route I would consider a 
>>> Thule or older Chariot (these can be had very inexpensively). They have 
>>> weight adjustable suspension and you can use an infant sling. The general 
>>> age recommendation is to wait until 12-18 months but we certainly started 
>>> closer to 6 months (My wife and I are both nurse practitioners and got the 
>>> Ok from his pediatrician). It will very from child to child but once they 
>>> are demonstrating strong head and neck control they should be ok in an 
>>> infant sling.
>>>
>>> I personally prefer a Thule Maxi seat on a rack behind me. It’s just 
>>> nice not having to deal with the weight and logistics of a trailer. We only 
>>> just started doing that on our Cargo E bike now that he’s 16 months and 
>>> gets to ride to daycare. 
>>>
>>> Eliot
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 5:54 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Kushan,

 Oh, I so know that excitement you feel about introducing your baby to 
 biking. It’s wonderful that you want to share it and it will be such a 
 bonding experience between the both of you as he grows up.

 Is the plan to put him in a bike seat on your bike? Or in a cargo bike? 
 In a car seat inside a cargo bike? I think the last option is the only one 
 I could safely recommend, and maybe not even that. I am a nurse, and I 
 won’t ever forget the part of our pediatrics training that talked about 
 the 
 microtears that can be caused even by bouncing a baby too hard. You can 
 damage their little eyes, their brains, and their neck muscles, which 
 really aren’t meant to support much until after one year of age. Now, if a 
 pediatrician happens to be on here and would like to offer advice, I’d 
 love 
 to hear it, but from what I can remember in peds training, it wouldn’t be 
 safe to take baby on a bike seat until next year. 

 I’m sorry!
 Leah

 On

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[SallyG]

We used a Burley double-wide when our kids were 2 and 3.5...We hooked it to 
my husband's old Giant mountain bike. Traffic was non-existent or very 
light since we lived on a small island. The kids liked it because they 
could bring various stuffed animals, so we could get a long-ish ride in 
...When we moved to San Diego, the trailer seemed too wide for the streets 
so we got a Tag-a-long...it didn't seem as safe and, by that time, the kids 
wanted to ride their own bikes...so we didn't use it much. (P.S. I'm 
another nurse...seems like nurses choose Rivendell, ha!)

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 6:28:45 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> +1 for a trailer. One advantage of a trailer is that you can use it with a 
> bike that is not well suited for a heavy load on the rear rack; and I 
> agree, they don't change the handling and feel of the bike as much as a big 
> and high rear-rack weight does. And they allow easier mounting.
>
> Mine was a "doublewide" and let me combine child hauling with grocery 
> shopping: my daughter and I would combine bicycle fun with grocery shopping 
> on Saturday mornings, she on one side, the paper grocery sacks on the 
> other, usually with a helium balloon or two in our slipstream.
>
> My tractor was a early-edition Raleigh Technium sports tourer, a tank with 
> long stays and flexy tubes stuck into gaspipe lugs, but with 32 mm tires 
> (fat at the time, early '00s) it was very plush. I had it set up with a 67" 
> fixed gear, just right: low enough to grunt Catie and groceries up minor 
> hills or pull the doublewide against headwinds, fast enough to keep up with 
> modest tailwinds.
>
> You don't need a name brand. I forget what I had; it was decent but not a 
> Burley or a Thule; Avocet? It worked fine and by the time you get to the 
> point of experiencing the longevity of an expensive brand your child has 
> long outgrown it. I did later get a used Burley trail-a-bike but by the 
> time my daughter was old enough to ride it she was embarrassed to be seen 
> on it and demanded her own bike.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 7:05 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>
>> A trailer is the safest option. If you go that route I would consider a 
>> Thule or older Chariot (these can be had very inexpensively). They have 
>> weight adjustable suspension and you can use an infant sling. The general 
>> age recommendation is to wait until 12-18 months but we certainly started 
>> closer to 6 months (My wife and I are both nurse practitioners and got the 
>> Ok from his pediatrician). It will very from child to child but once they 
>> are demonstrating strong head and neck control they should be ok in an 
>> infant sling.
>>
>> I personally prefer a Thule Maxi seat on a rack behind me. It’s just nice 
>> not having to deal with the weight and logistics of a trailer. We only just 
>> started doing that on our Cargo E bike now that he’s 16 months and gets to 
>> ride to daycare. 
>>
>> Eliot
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 5:54 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kushan,
>>>
>>> Oh, I so know that excitement you feel about introducing your baby to 
>>> biking. It’s wonderful that you want to share it and it will be such a 
>>> bonding experience between the both of you as he grows up.
>>>
>>> Is the plan to put him in a bike seat on your bike? Or in a cargo bike? 
>>> In a car seat inside a cargo bike? I think the last option is the only one 
>>> I could safely recommend, and maybe not even that. I am a nurse, and I 
>>> won’t ever forget the part of our pediatrics training that talked about the 
>>> microtears that can be caused even by bouncing a baby too hard. You can 
>>> damage their little eyes, their brains, and their neck muscles, which 
>>> really aren’t meant to support much until after one year of age. Now, if a 
>>> pediatrician happens to be on here and would like to offer advice, I’d love 
>>> to hear it, but from what I can remember in peds training, it wouldn’t be 
>>> safe to take baby on a bike seat until next year. 
>>>
>>> I’m sorry!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>>
 Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes 
 with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc 
 did you use? Where did you ride? 

 My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce 
 him to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers 
 (both facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a 
 ride with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. 
 Most 
 online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
 not sure if that's based on any actual research. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Patrick Moore]

+1 for a trailer. One advantage of a trailer is that you can use it with a
bike that is not well suited for a heavy load on the rear rack; and I
agree, they don't change the handling and feel of the bike as much as a big
and high rear-rack weight does. And they allow easier mounting.

Mine was a "doublewide" and let me combine child hauling with grocery
shopping: my daughter and I would combine bicycle fun with grocery shopping
on Saturday mornings, she on one side, the paper grocery sacks on the
other, usually with a helium balloon or two in our slipstream.

My tractor was a early-edition Raleigh Technium sports tourer, a tank with
long stays and flexy tubes stuck into gaspipe lugs, but with 32 mm tires
(fat at the time, early '00s) it was very plush. I had it set up with a 67"
fixed gear, just right: low enough to grunt Catie and groceries up minor
hills or pull the doublewide against headwinds, fast enough to keep up with
modest tailwinds.

You don't need a name brand. I forget what I had; it was decent but not a
Burley or a Thule; Avocet? It worked fine and by the time you get to the
point of experiencing the longevity of an expensive brand your child has
long outgrown it. I did later get a used Burley trail-a-bike but by the
time my daughter was old enough to ride it she was embarrassed to be seen
on it and demanded her own bike.



On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 7:05 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:

> A trailer is the safest option. If you go that route I would consider a
> Thule or older Chariot (these can be had very inexpensively). They have
> weight adjustable suspension and you can use an infant sling. The general
> age recommendation is to wait until 12-18 months but we certainly started
> closer to 6 months (My wife and I are both nurse practitioners and got the
> Ok from his pediatrician). It will very from child to child but once they
> are demonstrating strong head and neck control they should be ok in an
> infant sling.
>
> I personally prefer a Thule Maxi seat on a rack behind me. It’s just nice
> not having to deal with the weight and logistics of a trailer. We only just
> started doing that on our Cargo E bike now that he’s 16 months and gets to
> ride to daycare.
>
> Eliot
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 5:54 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kushan,
>>
>> Oh, I so know that excitement you feel about introducing your baby to
>> biking. It’s wonderful that you want to share it and it will be such a
>> bonding experience between the both of you as he grows up.
>>
>> Is the plan to put him in a bike seat on your bike? Or in a cargo bike?
>> In a car seat inside a cargo bike? I think the last option is the only one
>> I could safely recommend, and maybe not even that. I am a nurse, and I
>> won’t ever forget the part of our pediatrics training that talked about the
>> microtears that can be caused even by bouncing a baby too hard. You can
>> damage their little eyes, their brains, and their neck muscles, which
>> really aren’t meant to support much until after one year of age. Now, if a
>> pediatrician happens to be on here and would like to offer advice, I’d love
>> to hear it, but from what I can remember in peds training, it wouldn’t be
>> safe to take baby on a bike seat until next year.
>>
>> I’m sorry!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes
>>> with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc
>>> did you use? Where did you ride?
>>>
>>> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him
>>> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both
>>> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride
>>> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most
>>> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am
>>> not sure if that's based on any actual research.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Eliot Balogh]

A trailer is the safest option. If you go that route I would consider a
Thule or older Chariot (these can be had very inexpensively). They have
weight adjustable suspension and you can use an infant sling. The general
age recommendation is to wait until 12-18 months but we certainly started
closer to 6 months (My wife and I are both nurse practitioners and got the
Ok from his pediatrician). It will very from child to child but once they
are demonstrating strong head and neck control they should be ok in an
infant sling.

I personally prefer a Thule Maxi seat on a rack behind me. It’s just nice
not having to deal with the weight and logistics of a trailer. We only just
started doing that on our Cargo E bike now that he’s 16 months and gets to
ride to daycare.

Eliot

On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 5:54 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Kushan,
>
> Oh, I so know that excitement you feel about introducing your baby to
> biking. It’s wonderful that you want to share it and it will be such a
> bonding experience between the both of you as he grows up.
>
> Is the plan to put him in a bike seat on your bike? Or in a cargo bike? In
> a car seat inside a cargo bike? I think the last option is the only one I
> could safely recommend, and maybe not even that. I am a nurse, and I won’t
> ever forget the part of our pediatrics training that talked about the
> microtears that can be caused even by bouncing a baby too hard. You can
> damage their little eyes, their brains, and their neck muscles, which
> really aren’t meant to support much until after one year of age. Now, if a
> pediatrician happens to be on here and would like to offer advice, I’d love
> to hear it, but from what I can remember in peds training, it wouldn’t be
> safe to take baby on a bike seat until next year.
>
> I’m sorry!
> Leah
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with
>> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did
>> you use? Where did you ride?
>>
>> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him
>> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both
>> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride
>> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most
>> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am
>> not sure if that's based on any actual research.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Hi Kushan,

Oh, I so know that excitement you feel about introducing your baby to 
biking. It’s wonderful that you want to share it and it will be such a 
bonding experience between the both of you as he grows up.

Is the plan to put him in a bike seat on your bike? Or in a cargo bike? In 
a car seat inside a cargo bike? I think the last option is the only one I 
could safely recommend, and maybe not even that. I am a nurse, and I won’t 
ever forget the part of our pediatrics training that talked about the 
microtears that can be caused even by bouncing a baby too hard. You can 
damage their little eyes, their brains, and their neck muscles, which 
really aren’t meant to support much until after one year of age. Now, if a 
pediatrician happens to be on here and would like to offer advice, I’d love 
to hear it, but from what I can remember in peds training, it wouldn’t be 
safe to take baby on a bike seat until next year. 

I’m sorry!
Leah

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did 
> you use? Where did you ride? 
>
> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Piaw Na]

I used the Chariot 
Cougar: 
https://blog.piaw.net/2011/12/review-chariot-cougar-1-strollerbike.html. 
It doubles as the world's most luxurious stroller until they turn 10 and 
can wear helmets easily. We used the heck out of this thing 2 kids and used 
it everywhere, but to be honest once we got the triplet the kids lost 
interest once they were big enough to use the triplet (though occasionally 
we'd tow it along so that the smaller kid could shift to the trailer after 
falling asleep on the triplet). If you don't already have a trailer you'll 
keep this one as a trailer long after the kids stop using it. Trailers are 
useful!

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 7:58:35 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:

> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did 
> you use? Where did you ride? 
>
> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Anthony Beauchemin]

I waited until my kiddo was 1 before putting her on the bike. Up until that 
point I got her used to the idea of being on the bike so it wouldn’t seem 
so weird to her. One thing that really helped was the drawing of the baby 
on the bike on my Riv coffee mug! I would show her that and tell her that 
would be her and she would get really excited about it. Then when I got her 
helmet I would let her wear it around the house. By the time we put her on 
the bike she was comfortable and excited to ride! 
I initially took her around the neighborhood and through alleyways to get 
us both used to riding, then worked my way up to longer rides. I’m a stay 
at home dad so the majority of my riding is with my daughter now, I use an 
Ahearne cycle truck that has been given new life as a “precious cargo 
bike”. She loves it and helps when we bomb down hills!

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:22:10 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>
> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with 
> these and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a cargo 
> bike but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. I 
> already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I 
> ride it to work.
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I 
>>would highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley Bee. 
>>  
>>The trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect 
>> the 
>>bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3 
>>playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.
>>The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it 
>>gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover 
>> from 
>>cold and rain.  We went out in all weather, including out in the snow 
>> with 
>>studded tires.
>>- We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides, as 
>>it's less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we get 
>>there".  The back deck is better for standing up and surfing on though.  
>> I 
>>have installed Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule 
>>> kids seat since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around 
>>> with mounting his car seat base to the metal frame of one of those 
>>> side-by-side kid trailers. I only ever used it twice, though, before he was 
>>> old enough to be in the rear seat.
>>>
>>> You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I 
>>> was able to fabricate a mount that let the base mount the same way it does 
>>> in the car, allowing the carrier to clip in the same way as it would in the 
>>> car. Combined with the “roll cage” design of the trailer, I felt 
>>> comfortable using it for quick rides to the neighborhood park, less than a 
>>> mile away.
>>>
>>> The conventional wisdom I’ve heard is that you need to wait until they 
>>> can hold their head up well with their helmet on. That was technically 7 
>>> months for us, but I waited until he was a little bigger and the helmet 
>>> gift him better.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:31 PM Michael Baquerizo  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your 
 area. 

 i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a 
 yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi 
 after 
 he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front 
 with me. 

 fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his 
 bike w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there 
 wasn’t even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure 
 there’s an ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is 
 not it  

 i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not 
 rated for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something 
 beefier. 

 On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes 
> with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc 
> did you use? Where did you ride? 
>
> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce 
> him to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers 
> (both facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a 
> ride with him on a c

[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Ted Durant]

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 9:58:35 PM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:

Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did 
you use? Where did you ride? 


Mind you, this is 30+ years old ... we put our daughters in their car seats 
in our Burley trailer to start, about 1 year old. Got hit by a car once, 
luckily a very slow motion event, 90+ year old making a left turn from a 
4-way stop pushed us into the curb. Nobody hurt, and I felt pretty good 
about the overall safety of the setup, but of course a higher speed 
incident would have been much different. We also used a rear rack mounted 
seat, but I never liked that setup; terrible balance and a much bigger 
distance to fall if the bike goes over. We rode lots of places around 
Milwaukee, using the bike path as much as possible, quieter public streets 
elsewhere. 

The trailer lasted well into childhood for our two daughters. Most 
important thing was that every ride had to be about the food. We still have 
it and are hoping our grandchildren will ride in it soon.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Ted W]

> We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides

Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with these
and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a cargo bike
but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. I
already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I
ride it to work.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
>
>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I
>would highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley Bee.
>The trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect the
>bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3
>playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.
>The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it
>gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover from
>cold and rain.  We went out in all weather, including out in the snow with
>studded tires.
>- We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides, as
>it's less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we get
>there".  The back deck is better for standing up and surfing on though.  I
>have installed Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.
>
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule kids
>> seat since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around with
>> mounting his car seat base to the metal frame of one of those side-by-side
>> kid trailers. I only ever used it twice, though, before he was old enough
>> to be in the rear seat.
>>
>> You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I
>> was able to fabricate a mount that let the base mount the same way it does
>> in the car, allowing the carrier to clip in the same way as it would in the
>> car. Combined with the “roll cage” design of the trailer, I felt
>> comfortable using it for quick rides to the neighborhood park, less than a
>> mile away.
>>
>> The conventional wisdom I’ve heard is that you need to wait until they
>> can hold their head up well with their helmet on. That was technically 7
>> months for us, but I waited until he was a little bigger and the helmet
>> gift him better.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:31 PM Michael Baquerizo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your
>>> area.
>>>
>>> i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a
>>> yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after
>>> he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front
>>> with me.
>>>
>>> fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his
>>> bike w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there
>>> wasn’t even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure
>>> there’s an ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is
>>> not it
>>>
>>> i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not
>>> rated for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something
>>> beefier.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>>
 Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes
 with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc
 did you use? Where did you ride?

 My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce
 him to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers
 (both facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a
 ride with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most
 online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am
 not sure if that's based on any actual research.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

['j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch]

   - I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I would 
   highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley Bee.  The 
   trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect the 
   bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3 
   playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.
   The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it 
   gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover from 
   cold and rain.  We went out in all weather, including out in the snow with 
   studded tires.
   - We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides, as 
   it's less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we get 
   there".  The back deck is better for standing up and surfing on though.  I 
   have installed Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.


On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule kids 
> seat since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around with 
> mounting his car seat base to the metal frame of one of those side-by-side 
> kid trailers. I only ever used it twice, though, before he was old enough 
> to be in the rear seat.
>
> You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I was 
> able to fabricate a mount that let the base mount the same way it does in 
> the car, allowing the carrier to clip in the same way as it would in the 
> car. Combined with the “roll cage” design of the trailer, I felt 
> comfortable using it for quick rides to the neighborhood park, less than a 
> mile away.
>
> The conventional wisdom I’ve heard is that you need to wait until they can 
> hold their head up well with their helmet on. That was technically 7 months 
> for us, but I waited until he was a little bigger and the helmet gift him 
> better.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:31 PM Michael Baquerizo  
> wrote:
>
>> it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your 
>> area. 
>>
>> i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a 
>> yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after 
>> he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front 
>> with me. 
>>
>> fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his bike 
>> w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there wasn’t 
>> even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure there’s an 
>> ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is not it  
>>
>> i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not rated 
>> for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something 
>> beefier. 
>>
>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes 
>>> with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc 
>>> did you use? Where did you ride? 
>>>
>>> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
>>> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
>>> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
>>> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
>>> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
>>> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Ted W]

My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule kids
seat since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around with
mounting his car seat base to the metal frame of one of those side-by-side
kid trailers. I only ever used it twice, though, before he was old enough
to be in the rear seat.

You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I was
able to fabricate a mount that let the base mount the same way it does in
the car, allowing the carrier to clip in the same way as it would in the
car. Combined with the “roll cage” design of the trailer, I felt
comfortable using it for quick rides to the neighborhood park, less than a
mile away.

The conventional wisdom I’ve heard is that you need to wait until they can
hold their head up well with their helmet on. That was technically 7 months
for us, but I waited until he was a little bigger and the helmet gift him
better.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:31 PM Michael Baquerizo 
wrote:

> it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your area.
>
> i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a
> yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after
> he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front
> with me.
>
> fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his bike
> w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there wasn’t
> even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure there’s an
> ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is not it
>
> i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not rated
> for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something
> beefier.
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with
>> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did
>> you use? Where did you ride?
>>
>> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him
>> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both
>> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride
>> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most
>> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am
>> not sure if that's based on any actual research.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Michael Baquerizo]

it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your area. 

i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a 
yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after 
he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front 
with me. 

fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his bike w 
swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there wasn’t 
even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure there’s an 
ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is not it  

i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not rated 
for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something 
beefier. 

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did 
> you use? Where did you ride? 
>
> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>

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