Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Got the grey grid!
Thanks for the info.
I think it will hold everything I need for spring/summer.
For fall/winter when I need to carry extra tights/wool shirt/jacket, I can use 
my grey grid bar bag to match.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Indeed!  And not to detour the thread, but the sizing/geometry page has 
been somewhat updated.  The new AHH and Atlantis(MIT) sizes are included...
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

Bob
Galesburg, IL


On Tuesday, May 22, 2018 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-5, Howard Hatten wrote:
>
> Good eye Jeff
>
> Howard 
> Livonia Mi
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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Howard Hatten]

Good eye Jeff

Howard 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Joe Bernard]

It should fit great. The rear (now front) loops will fit just inside of the V, 
then wrap the other strap around the quill. Easy peasy!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[sameness]

Bonus sneak peek footage of the MIT AHH ("M-O-U-S-E...") at 0:59.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Tuesday, May 22, 2018 at 5:36:02 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Check out the latest Blug for a video of what fills a Ban(d)ana Sack. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I wonder how I’d like it on Bullmoose bars? I really want a front bag on the 
Hunqa.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Joe Bernard]

Check out the latest Blug for a video of what fills a Ban(d)ana Sack. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Joe Bernard]

Ok let's take a look. My "lunch bag" is a lunch bar and the jacket is Ibex 
Breakaway, which would be thicker than a summer shell. So thin the jacket and 
make the lunch bigger..I think you have the same volume. I was wrong, it all 
fits!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kGalusW6AgJiqZem2

Joe Bernard
Novato CA. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Grant Petersen]

 About the Banana Sack, just an opinion :

1. Sway is often an unnecessary concern. There is a difference between an
"on the bike" problem and an "in the head theoretical" one.

2. Security is good. The least secure mount, ironically, is the original
intended mount, on the saddle loops. Then the Bsack's at its most
horizontal. Even then, it's 100 percent secure when closed, and probably 95
percent secure when you shamefull fail to close it right, when the flap's
just flapping free. You can make it 99.googolplex secure with a
free-flapping flap if you push a bandana down on top of your BananaLoad and
use the elastic stuff under the flap (to hold the banandana in place). Then
only neutrinos can escape its clenched maw.

The original bag of this type, made in France by Gilles Berthoud, was made
as a saddle bag. Gilles is a master bag designer, a bicycle rider, and the
design was little-to-notatall changed from its first public use. We copied
that with our first version (which we called the Banana Bag) in the early
2000s, and no problems there, either.

3. The BananaSack, tho, mounts equally well or maybe 2 percent even better
to the handlebar. That's thanks to Roman, I think, who suggested the new
and embarrassingly obvious solution of two separate straps, like saddlebags
have. Mounted on the front, the Bsack is nearly vertical. I can access
everything in it while riding, and on a road (not a trail) it's not even
necessary to close it with the miraculous toggle.

3. It mounts wonderfully on the sides of baskets.

4. The elastic thing makes it easy to overfill.

5. The fore-and-aft slots (one has a stiffener) are good for phones, tire
levers, flat stuff.

Bags should be easy to use on and off the bike. The mouth of the BananaSack
is like the mouth of a largemouth bass, ready to engulf anything that comes
its way, with no buckles or zippers or roll-top weatherproofing to mess
with. It's not waterproof when submerged (like the bass it mimics!), but
it'll handle an apocalyptic rain, and if you doubt that, you can stuff your
stuff in a Target bag before putting it in.

It's not the bag for everybody and every use, but as handy day-bags go,
it's where we want it to be. There are lots of nice bags of about the same
size out there. It's hard to go wrong these days. Yay!


On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> Lum Gim Fong,
> Staying in the Riv family, if the banana sax is not quite large enough,
> I'd recommend the Saddlesack Small.
>
> Shoji
> Arlington MA
>
> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 10:01:12 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> The Pika is a pretty good design. No sway; rolls up compactly when
>> carrying little, but expands amazingly when completely filled; I've carried
>> surprisingly large grocery loads in mine. I did sell it because I found
>> other bags better for my use, but for minimalist, non-supported, and
>> non-sway saddle-attached carriage, that and the Viscacha are wonderful. The
>> downside is that, when you fill it up completely, you have all your load
>> stuffed into a long, narrow tunnel, so this isn't the best bag for frequent
>> and rapid access to contents.
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 3:20 AM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>   FWIW, This prolly doesn't fit the "look" you seem to prefer, but for a
>>> rock solid no-sway saddle bag the Revelate Pika to work very well. This is
>>> Revelate's "small" version, the Viscacha is even larger capacity.  I had
>>> the original Banana bag years ago and ended up selling it because of the
>>> sway and I prefer no thigh contact with bags at all. I tried various ways
>>> to minimize the sway and rub but it was a venture in futility. Sure, it
>>> "looked" great, but frankly... so what, and to whom  ? The Pika also
>>> engulfs a Banana bag capacity holding 6-12 liters. It ranges in size by
>>> rolling up the open end as you need it. It has perfectly placed
>>> adjustable/locking straps to eliminate any movement or excess. The fabric
>>> is waterproof, but it's not a "dry bag" in that the seams are not factory
>>> sealed. For practical purposes your stuff is not going to get wet.
>>>
>>>  I carry a small roll of tools, 2 40mm tubes, another small bag with
>>> cell phone, wallet, neck buff, etc., a featherweight vest and water
>>> resistant jacket that packs into your fist. I don't even "try" to pack it
>>> in there tightly, and I still have another half a bag left . The bag rolled
>>> up to it's smallest size it looks like a You could fit a 12" mini pump in
>>> there, prolly longer as I have never used the bag @ full length.  At it's
>>> smallest rolled up size, it looks like an average seat bag. As you
>>> expand/unroll it as needed it grows kinda like Pinocchio's nose !
>>>
>>> If you are curious, do an image search for " Revelate Pika " and you can
>>> see how it changes shapes as needed.
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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[phil k]

Its for saddle loops.

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 1:25:07 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Partially off-topic: does the Banana Sax require saddlebag loops, or will 
> it mount on garden-variety saddle rails? I've stared at the pictures, but 
> am unsure of what I'm seeing.
>
> rod
>
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 3:44:53 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the opening angle and lid are oriented on saddle mounting to 
>> where things could fall out unless there is something to stop that that I 
>> am not seeing in the rivbike pics.
>> The lid doesn't look so precise as to stop allen wrenches or some other 
>> small stuff from falling out.
>>
>> Any reviews and experience? Otherwise looks like an awesome saddle bag! 
>> Curious because I might get one!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Justin, Oakland]

Get a Stem bag (Randi Jo, Donut Sack, etc) and put your phone and sunglasses in 
it for better access then it should all fit. 

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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Rod Holland]

Partially off-topic: does the Banana Sax require saddlebag loops, or will 
it mount on garden-variety saddle rails? I've stared at the pictures, but 
am unsure of what I'm seeing.

rod

On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 3:44:53 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Looks like the opening angle and lid are oriented on saddle mounting to 
> where things could fall out unless there is something to stop that that I 
> am not seeing in the rivbike pics.
> The lid doesn't look so precise as to stop allen wrenches or some other 
> small stuff from falling out.
>
> Any reviews and experience? Otherwise looks like an awesome saddle bag! 
> Curious because I might get one!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[phil k]

I'll take pics when I get home.

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:50:47 PM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>
> Lum,
>
> It depends on how big your multi-tool, rain jacket and lunch are. I just 
> did a test run, and I can pack my spurcyle multitool, park patchkit, 
> schwable SV14 tube, rolled up brake cable, & phone with plenty of space 
> left. I think if I got a packable rain jacket and if my lunch was a modest 
> PB, with a bag of almond nuts or beef jerky it would fit. I don't have a 
> mini pump to test it. My pump is on my frame. I prefer my food in a front 
> bag anyways.
>
>
> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:11:06 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> Ok. 
>> Almost sold but can it hold: 
>>
>> One multi tool 
>> One lightweight rain  jacket 
>> One tube 
>> Spare brake cable 
>> Patch kit 
>> Sunglasses 
>> 7” mini pump (mini morph) 
>> Iphone 
>> Keychain 
>> Bag lunch 
>>
>> I would just get another Carradice Pendle bag but I dont like how 
>> floppy/sloppy/shapeless they look in my bikes. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[phil k]

Lum,

It depends on how big your multi-tool, rain jacket and lunch are. I just 
did a test run, and I can pack my spurcyle multitool, park patchkit, 
schwable SV14 tube, rolled up brake cable, & phone with plenty of space 
left. I think if I got a packable rain jacket and if my lunch was a modest 
PB, with a bag of almond nuts or beef jerky it would fit. I don't have a 
mini pump to test it. My pump is on my frame. I prefer my food in a front 
bag anyways.


On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:11:06 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Ok. 
> Almost sold but can it hold: 
>
> One multi tool 
> One lightweight rain  jacket 
> One tube 
> Spare brake cable 
> Patch kit 
> Sunglasses 
> 7” mini pump (mini morph) 
> Iphone 
> Keychain 
> Bag lunch 
>
> I would just get another Carradice Pendle bag but I dont like how 
> floppy/sloppy/shapeless they look in my bikes. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Lum Gim Fong,
Staying in the Riv family, if the banana sax is not quite large enough, I'd 
recommend the Saddlesack Small.

Shoji
Arlington MA

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 10:01:12 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The Pika is a pretty good design. No sway; rolls up compactly when 
> carrying little, but expands amazingly when completely filled; I've carried 
> surprisingly large grocery loads in mine. I did sell it because I found 
> other bags better for my use, but for minimalist, non-supported, and 
> non-sway saddle-attached carriage, that and the Viscacha are wonderful. The 
> downside is that, when you fill it up completely, you have all your load 
> stuffed into a long, narrow tunnel, so this isn't the best bag for frequent 
> and rapid access to contents.
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 3:20 AM, Garth  
> wrote:
>
>>
>>   FWIW, This prolly doesn't fit the "look" you seem to prefer, but for a 
>> rock solid no-sway saddle bag the Revelate Pika to work very well. This is 
>> Revelate's "small" version, the Viscacha is even larger capacity.  I had 
>> the original Banana bag years ago and ended up selling it because of the 
>> sway and I prefer no thigh contact with bags at all. I tried various ways 
>> to minimize the sway and rub but it was a venture in futility. Sure, it 
>> "looked" great, but frankly... so what, and to whom  ? The Pika also 
>> engulfs a Banana bag capacity holding 6-12 liters. It ranges in size by 
>> rolling up the open end as you need it. It has perfectly placed 
>> adjustable/locking straps to eliminate any movement or excess. The fabric 
>> is waterproof, but it's not a "dry bag" in that the seams are not factory 
>> sealed. For practical purposes your stuff is not going to get wet. 
>>
>>  I carry a small roll of tools, 2 40mm tubes, another small bag with cell 
>> phone, wallet, neck buff, etc., a featherweight vest and water resistant 
>> jacket that packs into your fist. I don't even "try" to pack it in there 
>> tightly, and I still have another half a bag left . The bag rolled up to 
>> it's smallest size it looks like a You could fit a 12" mini pump in there, 
>> prolly longer as I have never used the bag @ full length.  At it's smallest 
>> rolled up size, it looks like an average seat bag. As you expand/unroll it 
>> as needed it grows kinda like Pinocchio's nose !  
>>
>> If you are curious, do an image search for " Revelate Pika " and you can 
>> see how it changes shapes as needed. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Patrick Moore]

The Pika is a pretty good design. No sway; rolls up compactly when carrying
little, but expands amazingly when completely filled; I've carried
surprisingly large grocery loads in mine. I did sell it because I found
other bags better for my use, but for minimalist, non-supported, and
non-sway saddle-attached carriage, that and the Viscacha are wonderful. The
downside is that, when you fill it up completely, you have all your load
stuffed into a long, narrow tunnel, so this isn't the best bag for frequent
and rapid access to contents.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 3:20 AM, Garth  wrote:

>
>   FWIW, This prolly doesn't fit the "look" you seem to prefer, but for a
> rock solid no-sway saddle bag the Revelate Pika to work very well. This is
> Revelate's "small" version, the Viscacha is even larger capacity.  I had
> the original Banana bag years ago and ended up selling it because of the
> sway and I prefer no thigh contact with bags at all. I tried various ways
> to minimize the sway and rub but it was a venture in futility. Sure, it
> "looked" great, but frankly... so what, and to whom  ? The Pika also
> engulfs a Banana bag capacity holding 6-12 liters. It ranges in size by
> rolling up the open end as you need it. It has perfectly placed
> adjustable/locking straps to eliminate any movement or excess. The fabric
> is waterproof, but it's not a "dry bag" in that the seams are not factory
> sealed. For practical purposes your stuff is not going to get wet.
>
>  I carry a small roll of tools, 2 40mm tubes, another small bag with cell
> phone, wallet, neck buff, etc., a featherweight vest and water resistant
> jacket that packs into your fist. I don't even "try" to pack it in there
> tightly, and I still have another half a bag left . The bag rolled up to
> it's smallest size it looks like a You could fit a 12" mini pump in there,
> prolly longer as I have never used the bag @ full length.  At it's smallest
> rolled up size, it looks like an average seat bag. As you expand/unroll it
> as needed it grows kinda like Pinocchio's nose !
>
> If you are curious, do an image search for " Revelate Pika " and you can
> see how it changes shapes as needed.
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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Ron Mc]

I put the Brooks little Millbrook bag on my '57 Lenton - well, just because 
it belongs there.  
It opens the same way as the banana bag, could argue the straps are more 
secure -
- honestly, the banana bag looks more versatile.  .  
Even this little bag is holding a tool roll with a long list of required 
tools, two boxed tubes, cafe lock, working rags, saddle cover, and plenty 
of room for sunglasses, weather shell, and even peeling a long-sleeve base 
layer.  Opting out on the fabric extras, could probably fold a Barlow EL in 
here, as well.  
But for wallet, keys, and cellphone - RandiJo bartender, which also doubles 
for an extra water bottle holder.  
  





Like my Gino/Cygo mount on the fork lamp boss?  




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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Garth]

  FWIW, This prolly doesn't fit the "look" you seem to prefer, but for a 
rock solid no-sway saddle bag the Revelate Pika to work very well. This is 
Revelate's "small" version, the Viscacha is even larger capacity.  I had 
the original Banana bag years ago and ended up selling it because of the 
sway and I prefer no thigh contact with bags at all. I tried various ways 
to minimize the sway and rub but it was a venture in futility. Sure, it 
"looked" great, but frankly... so what, and to whom  ? The Pika also 
engulfs a Banana bag capacity holding 6-12 liters. It ranges in size by 
rolling up the open end as you need it. It has perfectly placed 
adjustable/locking straps to eliminate any movement or excess. The fabric 
is waterproof, but it's not a "dry bag" in that the seams are not factory 
sealed. For practical purposes your stuff is not going to get wet. 

 I carry a small roll of tools, 2 40mm tubes, another small bag with cell 
phone, wallet, neck buff, etc., a featherweight vest and water resistant 
jacket that packs into your fist. I don't even "try" to pack it in there 
tightly, and I still have another half a bag left . The bag rolled up to 
it's smallest size it looks like a You could fit a 12" mini pump in there, 
prolly longer as I have never used the bag @ full length.  At it's smallest 
rolled up size, it looks like an average seat bag. As you expand/unroll it 
as needed it grows kinda like Pinocchio's nose !  

If you are curious, do an image search for " Revelate Pika " and you can 
see how it changes shapes as needed. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Joe Bernard]

Nope. It'll hold most of it, but I don't think you can top the rest of that 
list with sunglasses and a lunch. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Ok.
Almost sold but can it hold:

One multi tool
One lightweight rain  jacket
One tube
Spare brake cable
Patch kit
Sunglasses
7” mini pump (mini morph)
Iphone
Keychain
Bag lunch

I would just get another Carradice Pendle bag but I dont like how 
floppy/sloppy/shapeless they look in my bikes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Tim Butterfield]

This thread pushed me over the edge also.  Mine should arrive Monday along
with an Otto lock.  I got the brown sax so I could use it with both my blue
Homer and green Atlantis.

On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 12:35 PM Conway Bennett <
captainconwaybenn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This thread plus that the blue was going away pushed and that I gave my
> wife my baggins hobo bag pushed me over the edge.  I just ordered the
> banana sax and a bosco bars for my tandem.
>
> --
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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Conway Bennett]

This thread plus that the blue was going away pushed and that I gave my wife my 
baggins hobo bag pushed me over the edge.  I just ordered the banana sax and a 
bosco bars for my tandem. 

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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Joe Bernard]

Check out Grant's A Celebration Of Banana Sax on Le Blahg. 3 Sax!

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/early-may

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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[phil k]

Definitely more secure than pants pockets, or even these pockets. Rode mine 
around forgetting to buckle it as well - phone, wallet, keys. Nothing fell 
out.

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:56:10 AM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> It''s not for carrying loose gold dust or diamonds, but the Banana sack is 
> secure and adaptable to any load. There's a sleeve pocket for a phone, and 
> a stiffener opposite that, and you can put skinny jangly things in with the 
> stiffener, to secure them. If I have any doubts I just wad up a bandana and 
> put it on top and close the sideflap things. I've forgotten to toggle it 
> closed and even then, front or rear mount, nothing's fallen out. All that 
> said, it's still probably best to say "It's more secure than a general 
> pants pocket" and leave it at that!
>
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 12:44:53 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the opening angle and lid are oriented on saddle mounting to 
>> where things could fall out unless there is something to stop that that I 
>> am not seeing in the rivbike pics.
>> The lid doesn't look so precise as to stop allen wrenches or some other 
>> small stuff from falling out.
>>
>> Any reviews and experience? Otherwise looks like an awesome saddle bag! 
>> Curious because I might get one!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Grant @ Rivendell]

It''s not for carrying loose gold dust or diamonds, but the Banana sack is 
secure and adaptable to any load. There's a sleeve pocket for a phone, and 
a stiffener opposite that, and you can put skinny jangly things in with the 
stiffener, to secure them. If I have any doubts I just wad up a bandana and 
put it on top and close the sideflap things. I've forgotten to toggle it 
closed and even then, front or rear mount, nothing's fallen out. All that 
said, it's still probably best to say "It's more secure than a general 
pants pocket" and leave it at that!

On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 12:44:53 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Looks like the opening angle and lid are oriented on saddle mounting to 
> where things could fall out unless there is something to stop that that I 
> am not seeing in the rivbike pics.
> The lid doesn't look so precise as to stop allen wrenches or some other 
> small stuff from falling out.
>
> Any reviews and experience? Otherwise looks like an awesome saddle bag! 
> Curious because I might get one!
>

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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[phil k]

Conway, I prefer the banana sax!

Doesn't sag, hugs the saddle tight, and it roomier than the XS.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 7:51:24 AM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I'll piggy back and ask banana sack vs the xs saddlesack, what do folks 
> prefer?

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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Christopher Murray]

This is a pretty tried and tested design, I don’t think anything is falling 
out. Would I toss my Paul Newman Daytona* in there? Probably not. I have never 
had anything fall out nor have I heard reports of things falling out. 

Cheers!
Chris 
*i do not actually own a Paul Newman Daytona

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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Garth]

  Put like groups of like tools/gadgets in a small bag/cloth/container of 
any sorts so there is no chance of anything falling out.

 Think "modules" so to speak, containment withing a container. Use the 
imagination ! 



On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 3:44:53 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Looks like the opening angle and lid are oriented on saddle mounting to 
> where things could fall out unless there is something to stop that that I 
> am not seeing in the rivbike pics.
> The lid doesn't look so precise as to stop allen wrenches or some other 
> small stuff from falling out.
>
> Any reviews and experience? Otherwise looks like an awesome saddle bag! 
> Curious because I might get one!
>

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